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This proprietary information is considered to be part of the displayable-string in the ABNF shown above. In other words, the NUL character followed by the NAIRealms list MUST be placed at the end. " Please note the last sentence. This means that the client can always start at the end of the string and extract realms until it encounters a "\0NAIRealms=3D". Does this make sense? Or am I missing your point = here? BR, Farid > -----Original Message----- > From: eap-admin@frascone.com [mailto:eap-admin@frascone.com]=20 > On Behalf Of Bernard Aboba > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 7:25 PM > To: eap@frascone.com > Subject: [eap] Re: Issue 281: Backward compatibility problem >=20 >=20 > I have now captured a trace of an Access Point using a NULL character > within the EAP-Request/Identity. The dump below is in hex,=20 > the decode is > in decimal. A JPG screen capture (from Airopeek) is available at: > http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapreq.jpg >=20 > 01 37 00 36 01 00 6E 65 74 77 6F 72 .7.6..networ > 6B 69 64 3D 4D 53 46 54 57 4C 41 4E 2C 6E 61 73 kid=3DMSFTWLAN,nas > 69 64 3D 43 55 53 52 45 44 30 34 30 43 33 34 32 id=3DCUSRED040C342 > 30 2C 70 6F 72 74 69 64 3D 30 00 00 00 00 0,portid=3D0 >=20 > Here is a decode of the above EAP packet: >=20 > Code: 1 (Request, one octet) > Identifier: 55 (one octet) > Length: 54 (two octets) > Type: 1 (Identity, one octet) > Type-Data: > NULL (one octet) > networkid=3DMSFTWLAN,nasid=3DCUSRED040C3420,portid=3D0 > NULLs (4 octets) >=20 > There are a number of issues brought up by this trace: >=20 > a. Existing implementations place data after the NULL character > within the EAP-Request/Identity packet. > b. There can be multiple NULL characters in the > EAP-Request/Identity packet. In this particular trace, there=20 > is one at > the beginning of the Type-Data field, and four NULLs at the end. > c. Existing access points place the networkid string first in the > packet, with the nasid and portid strings second and third. > d. A comma is used as a field separator. >=20 > As a result it would seem to me that this specification cannot require > that the NAIRealms string be placed first in the list; an arbitrary > series of other strings, separated by "," could be placed prior to > NAIRealms. >=20 > Also, Section 2.1 is not correct. >=20 >=20 > On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Bernard Aboba wrote: >=20 > > Issue 281: Backward compatibility problem > > Submitter name: Bernard Aboba > > Submitter email address: aboba@internaut.com > > Date first submitted: 11/16/2004 > > Reference: > > Document: IDSEL-05 > > Comment type: T > > Priority: S > > Section: 2.1 > > Rationale/Explanation of issue > > > > I think that there is a problem with the ABNF defined in=20 > Section 2.1. > > > > identity-request-data =3D [ displayable-string ] > > [ %x00 "NAIRealms=3D" realm-list ] > > displayable-string =3D *OCTET > > realm-list =3D realm / > > ( realm-list ";" realm ) > > Section 2.1 states: > > > > "Some existing systems are known to use EAP=20 > Identity/Request messages > > to send proprietary information to the peer. This proprietary > > information is considered to be part of the=20 > displayable-string in the > > ABNF shown above. In other words, the NUL character followed by the > > NAIRealms list MUST be placed at the end." > > > > Actually, existing implementations send information such as the > > NAS-Identity *after* the NUL character. Requiring the=20 > NAIRealms list to be > > sent first is therefore not backward compatible with existing > > implementations. > > > > I'd suggest that you need to change the ABNF to enable the=20 > NAI-Realms > > attribute to be separated from the NUL character by text=20 > other than the attribute > > separator used by existing implementations. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > eap mailing list > eap@frascone.com > http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap >=20 _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Wed Dec 1 22:41:10 2004 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA11133 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:41:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7503E20324; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:41:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 530F620306; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:41:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE0DE20251 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:40:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 271BB1FCB4 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:40:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from c-67-182-139-247.client.comcast.net ([67.182.139.247] helo=internaut.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.42) id 1CZhpO-0003tW-Le; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 22:40:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id iB23eCt11608; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:40:16 -0800 From: Bernard Aboba To: "Adrangi, Farid" Cc: eap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [eap] Re: Issue 281: Backward compatibility problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS.org X-Originating-IP: 67.182.139.247 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.org (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: aboba X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:40:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) > Section 2.1 says: > " > Some existing systems are known to use EAP-Request/Identity messages > to send proprietary information to the peer. This proprietary > information is considered to be part of the displayable-string in the > ABNF shown above. In other words, the NUL character followed by the > NAIRealms list MUST be placed at the end. > " > > Please note the last sentence. This means that the client can always > start at the end of the string and extract realms until it encounters a > "\0NAIRealms=". Does this make sense? Or am I missing your point here? > BR, > Farid I think you're proposing that a NULL be used as a separator. Given current practice, I'm not sure why this is necessary. Is there a reason why an implementation couldn't just parse the data after a NULL and look for "NAIRealms=" and then check whether the previous character was a NULL or a comma? This seems simple enough, and it would be interoperable with existing implementations. _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Thu Dec 2 14:09:12 2004 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19188 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:09:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A9B2034D; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560D120347; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:09:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2163D2034D for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:08:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from orsfmr003.jf.intel.com (fmr18.intel.com [134.134.136.17]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65E820345 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:08:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from orsfmr100.jf.intel.com (orsfmr100.jf.intel.com [10.7.209.16]) by orsfmr003.jf.intel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/d: major-outer.mc,v 1.1 2004/09/17 17:50:56 root Exp $) with ESMTP id iB2J8Nxg023471; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:08:23 GMT Received: from orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.206]) by orsfmr100.jf.intel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/d: major-inner.mc,v 1.2 2004/09/17 18:05:01 root Exp $) with SMTP id iB2J7rlC024516; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:08:23 GMT Received: from orsmsx331.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.56]) by orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (SAVSMTP 3.1.2.35) with SMTP id M2004120211082205808 ; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:08:22 -0800 Received: from orsmsx408.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.52]) by orsmsx331.amr.corp.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:08:23 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Re: Issue 281: Backward compatibility problem Message-ID: Thread-Topic: RE: [eap] Re: Issue 281: Backward compatibility problem Thread-Index: AcTYokqTI77Jf+3rT2qdgzMCSlmU9A== From: "Adrangi, Farid" To: Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2004 19:08:23.0094 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B2FC560:01C4D8A2] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:08:22 -0800 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bernard, all > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:aboba@internaut.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 7:40 PM > To: Adrangi, Farid > Cc: eap@frascone.com > Subject: RE: [eap] Re: Issue 281: Backward compatibility problem >=20 >=20 > > Section 2.1 says: > > " > > Some existing systems are known to use=20 > EAP-Request/Identity messages > > to send proprietary information to the peer. This proprietary > > information is considered to be part of the=20 > displayable-string in the > > ABNF shown above. In other words, the NUL character=20 > followed by the > > NAIRealms list MUST be placed at the end. > > " > > > > Please note the last sentence. This means that the client=20 > can always > > start at the end of the string and extract realms until it=20 > encounters a > > "\0NAIRealms=3D". Does this make sense? Or am I missing=20 > your point here? > > BR, > > Farid >=20 > I think you're proposing that a NULL be used as a separator. Given > current practice, I'm not sure why this is necessary. Is=20 > there a reason > why an implementation couldn't just parse the data after a=20 > NULL and look > for "NAIRealms=3D" and then check whether the previous=20 > character was a NULL > or a comma? This seems simple enough, and it would be=20 > interoperable with > existing implementations. >=20 >=20 I agree with you that the current restriction of placing NAIRealms at the end is not necessary. At the same time, I am not clear what practical benefit your suggested grammar brings. And also, I am not clear why the current grammar breaks interoperability with existing implementation, and why it is not simple enough! Please note that one advantage of the current grammar is that it provides an unambiguous way to handle the case where the proprietary data for some reason includes the string "\0NAIRealms=3D". =20 Anyhow, going forward, I see two options: 1) Leave the ABNF as it is, and make the following clarification (enclosed in **) to the last paragraph in 2.1: Some existing systems are known to use EAP-Request/Identity messages to send proprietary information to the peer. This proprietary information is considered to be part of the displayable-string *(which can contain any octets including NULs)* in the ABNF shown above. In other words, the NUL character followed by the NAIRealms list MUST be placed at the end. =20 2) Modify the grammar to allow the NAIRealms to be placed anywhere after displayable message. My preference is (1). It would also be nice to know other people's opinion on this. 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In accordance with our terms please verify your information on our secure and private site to ensure our records are accurate. http://www.moreupto.com/ Have a Great Day --Gena Clark Senior Consultant From eap-admin@frascone.com Fri Dec 3 02:38:07 2004 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA06085 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 02:38:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F281FCC0; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 02:38:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68FEB1FCC1; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 02:38:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75F51FCD5 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 02:37:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C891FC79 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 02:37:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from c-67-182-139-247.client.comcast.net ([67.182.139.247] helo=internaut.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.42) id 1Ca804-000J4C-Ic; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 02:37:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id iB37b7U28008; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 23:37:07 -0800 From: Bernard Aboba To: "Adrangi, Farid" Cc: eap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [eap] Re: Issue 281: Backward compatibility problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS.org X-Originating-IP: 67.182.139.247 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.org (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: aboba X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 23:37:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) > I agree with you that the current restriction of placing NAIRealms at > the end is not necessary. At the same time, I am not clear what > practical benefit your suggested grammar brings. The "suggested grammar" is already in use, so this isn't a greenfield design. Unless there is a good reason, why are we changing the separator from a comma to a NULL character? It seems quite unusual to use the NULL character this way. > advantage of the current grammar is that it provides an unambiguous way > to handle the case where the proprietary data for some reason includes > the string "\0NAIRealms=". To my knowledge, no existing implementation utilizes the "NAIRealms" string, so I'm not sure why an ambiguity would exist, except perhaps that the existing "networkid" string already serves a similar function. However, since this is typically used to advertise a flat name such as an SSID rather than an FQDN, I don't think this overlaps with the proposed "NAIRealms" functionality. > Anyhow, going forward, I see two options: > > 1) Leave the ABNF as it is, and make the following clarification > (enclosed in **) to the last paragraph in 2.1: > > Some existing systems are known to use EAP-Request/Identity messages to > send proprietary information to the peer. This proprietary information > is considered to be part of the displayable-string *(which can contain > any octets including NULs)* in the ABNF shown above. In other words, > the NUL character followed by the NAIRealms list MUST be placed at the > end. I think this part of the spec is in conflict with RFC 3748 Section 5.1: This field MAY contain a displayable message in the Request, containing UTF-8 encoded ISO 10646 characters [RFC2279]. Where the Request contains a null, only the portion of the field prior to the null is displayed. So RFC 3748 seems to imply that the "displayable string" is the portion prior to the first null, not that portion prior to the last null. That's how current implementations operate anyway, and I don't think it's appropriate for this specification to modify that. > 2) Modify the grammar to allow the NAIRealms to be placed anywhere after > displayable message. I'd prefer this. 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However, I do not see such requirement in RFC 3748. In addition, most (if not all) existing RADIUS servers seem to implement EAP in a way that Identifier in EAP-Success is actually incremented by one from the last EAP-Request. draft-ietf-eap-statemachine-05.txt state machines for EAP authenticator are indeed not incrementing Identifier for EAP-Success, but again, this is not specified in RFC 3748. The only requirement for Identifier in RFC 3748 seems to be that each EAP-Request is sent with different Identifier than the previous EAP-Request. As far as I can tell, this leaves it open to the implementation to decide which Identifier is used in EAP-Success. Should the (reqId == lastId) requirement be removed from the peer state machine? -- Jouni Malinen PGP id EFC895FA _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Sat Dec 4 20:07:08 2004 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA06408 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 20:07:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC9520389; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 20:07:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 878A12038C; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 20:07:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAEBF20389 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 20:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.129.2]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F21E1FCB8 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 20:06:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.12.10/8.12.5) with ESMTP id iB50xAnO018381; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:59:11 -0500 (EST) From: Nick Petroni To: Jouni Malinen Cc: Subject: Re: [eap] draft-ietf-eap-statemachine-05.txt and Identifier in EAP-Success In-Reply-To: <20041204172825.GB7015@jm.kir.nu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:59:10 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Jouni, This question revisits one from November 2003. The original diagrams did not include it, but Joe Salowey (correctly, I think) pointed out that this check was missing from the Peer diagram. Here is Joe's original mail: http://mail.frascone.com/pipermail/public/eap/2003-November/001869.html Take a look at his fifth point. There were a couple of follow-up threads, the most notable here: http://mail.frascone.com/pipermail/eap/2003-December/001987.html http://mail.frascone.com/pipermail/eap/2003-December/001993.html http://mail.frascone.com/pipermail/eap/2003-December/001998.html http://mail.frascone.com/pipermail/eap/2003-December/002004.html I remember running to my set of sniffs and for the first time realizing the Success identifier was the same as the last Response identifier. I know this was true for FreeRadius at the time, I assume it still is. Finally, from RFC3748 here is some text from section 4.1. Note that it says that the identifier is changed on *new Requests* and should match the value of "the currently outstanding Request". If implementations do not work this way, we will need to revisit this conversation. I know of at least one other thing that will break in the diagrams if this statement is removed. Thanks, nick Identifier The Identifier field is one octet. The Identifier field MUST be the same if a Request packet is retransmitted due to a timeout while waiting for a Response. Any new (non-retransmission) Requests MUST modify the Identifier field. The Identifier field of the Response MUST match that of the currently outstanding Request. An authenticator receiving a Response whose Identifier value does not match that of the currently outstanding Request MUST silently discard the Response. In order to avoid confusion between new Requests and retransmissions, the Identifier value chosen for each new Request need only be different from the previous Request, but need not be unique within the conversation. One way to achieve this is to start the Identifier at an initial value and increment it for each new Request. Initializing the first Identifier with a random number rather than starting from zero is recommended, since it makes sequence attacks somewhat more difficult. On Sat, 4 Dec 2004, Jouni Malinen wrote: > The Peer State Machine in draft-ietf-eap-statemachine-05.txt requires > that reqId == lastId when processing EAP-Success packet. However, I do > not see such requirement in RFC 3748. In addition, most (if not all) > existing RADIUS servers seem to implement EAP in a way that Identifier > in EAP-Success is actually incremented by one from the last EAP-Request. > > draft-ietf-eap-statemachine-05.txt state machines for EAP authenticator > are indeed not incrementing Identifier for EAP-Success, but again, this > is not specified in RFC 3748. The only requirement for Identifier in > RFC 3748 seems to be that each EAP-Request is sent with different > Identifier than the previous EAP-Request. As far as I can tell, this > leaves it open to the implementation to decide which Identifier is used > in EAP-Success. > > Should the (reqId == lastId) requirement be removed from the peer state > machine? > > -- > Jouni Malinen PGP id EFC895FA > _______________________________________________ > eap mailing list > eap@frascone.com > http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From ortgcnp@yapost.com Sat Dec 4 20:42:55 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA08501 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 20:42:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from host50.foretec.com ([65.246.255.50] helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CalWS-0005AA-9q for eap-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 20:49:12 -0500 Received: from h117.14.40.69.ip.alltel.net ([69.40.14.117]) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1CalQN-0005DB-Cl for eap-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 20:42:55 -0500 Received: from 156.205.160.191 by 218.37.77.147; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 00:41:36 -0100 Message-ID: From: "Mrs Geiger" Reply-To: "Mrs Geiger" To: eap-archive@ietf.org Subject: Heyyy Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 02:33:36 +0100 X-Mailer: The Bat! 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I know > this was true for FreeRadius at the time, I assume it still is. I implemented the peer statemachine first with the verification. After finding out that this does not interoperate with many RADIUS servers, I had to remove this verification.. In other words, I cannot implement the current statemachine draft as-is without causing major interoperability issues. Based on the source code comment about this, I seem to have noticed this first when testing against IAS. I did some quick testing with couple of RADIUS servers: FreeRADIUS: same Id Radiator: same Id Meetinghouse Aegis: lastId + 1 Microsoft IAS: lastId + 1 > Finally, from RFC3748 here is some text from section 4.1. Note that it > says that the identifier is changed on *new Requests* and should match the > value of "the currently outstanding Request". If implementations do not > work this way, we will need to revisit this conversation. I know of at > least one other thing that will break in the diagrams if this statement is > removed. Section 4.1 is about Requests and Responses, it does not cover EAP-Success. However, now that I looked again more closely, there is actually text in section 4.2 that seems to cover this: Identifier The Identifier field is one octet and aids in matching replies to Responses. The Identifier field MUST match the Identifier field of the Response packet that it is sent in response to. (this is for Success and Failure) In other words, there are existing EAP authenticators that do not match the behavior defined in RFC 3748 and draft-ietf-eap-statemachine-05.txt. RFC 2284 seemed to have the same text, so this is not even a new requirement. It looks like draft-ietf-eap-statemachine-05.txt is correct on this part. However, this is not going to help with the interoperability issue.. I don't see any security issues with skipping this test and as such, I will leave the workaround in my implementation. Adding some kind of note about this issue in the draft could be useful, though. -- Jouni Malinen PGP id EFC895FA _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From mubyh@comcast.net Sun Dec 5 04:57:39 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA23019; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 04:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from host50.foretec.com ([65.246.255.50] helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CatFJ-0002m0-8x; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 05:04:01 -0500 Received: from c-24-3-178-161.client.comcast.net ([24.3.178.161]) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Cat98-0001uE-J0; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 04:57:38 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org by c-24-3-178-161.client.comcast.net with HTTP; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 02:45:17 -0600 Received: from 152.202.170.249 by gateway-r.comcast.net with HTTP; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 02:44:36 -0600 Subject: - Hands instantly clutched Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1254; Message-ID: <05434217445985-1sbBixeg@DHGJKCG> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Aragon" Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 02:44:20 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: prophetic? the finnish it at palsy and erkpd To: "Sheppard" X-Spam-Score: 6.1 (++++++) X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Scan-Signature: 02ec665d00de228c50c93ed6b5e4fc1a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit at a rightward lacy you no the vacua robotic pee I papyri a mould episcopal the cranium - of spectroscope Bnarrate befog ginkgo? dare, chou Upittston the lumbar bane, of ursa swirly
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I did some quick testing with couple of > RADIUS servers: > > FreeRADIUS: same Id > Radiator: same Id > Meetinghouse Aegis: lastId + 1 > Microsoft IAS: lastId + 1 > > In other words, there are existing EAP authenticators that do not match > the behavior defined in RFC 3748 and draft-ietf-eap-statemachine-05.txt. > RFC 2284 seemed to have the same text, so this is not even a new > requirement. > > It looks like draft-ietf-eap-statemachine-05.txt is correct on this > part. However, this is not going to help with the interoperability > issue. I don't see any security issues with skipping this test and as > such, I will leave the workaround in my implementation. Adding some kind > of note about this issue in the draft could be useful, though. I'd be ok with a note, but since this is a MUST in RFC 3748, the note shouldn't imply that existing behavior is correct. Not requiring an Identifier match does make it somewhat easier to spoof EAP-Failure or Success messages, so it seems like there are some security implications. One of the reasons for completing work on RFC 3748 and the State Machine document was to enable the development of conformance tests. Hopefully once the draft is published we will have more testing and some of these issues will be resolved. _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Sun Dec 5 15:10:10 2004 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA04446 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:10:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 050CB1FD6A; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF87E2036D; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:10:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277C11FD6A for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:09:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from jm.kir.nu (dsl017-049-110.sfo4.dsl.speakeasy.net [69.17.49.110]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A841FD47 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:09:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from jm by jm.kir.nu with local (Exim 4.42) id 1Cb2hQ-0002lf-SB; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 12:09:40 -0800 From: Jouni Malinen To: Bernard Aboba Cc: eap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [eap] Re: draft-ietf-eap-statemachine-05.txt and Identifier in EAP-Success Message-ID: <20041205200940.GD7015@jm.kir.nu> References: <20041205170002.30358.72336.Mailman@xavier> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:09:40 -0800 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 10:23:55AM -0800, Bernard Aboba wrote: > I'd be ok with a note, but since this is a MUST in RFC 3748, the note > shouldn't imply that existing behavior is correct. Not requiring an > Identifier match does make it somewhat easier to spoof EAP-Failure > or Success messages, so it seems like there are some security > implications. OK. In order to limit the effect, the workaround could be changed to be (reqId == lastId) || (reqId == (lastId + 1) & 0xff) which seems to cover all the EAP implementations I have seen in RADIUS authentication servers. This would at least skip some of the randomly selected Id values. I did not see a good place for such a note in the draft. Maybe a new section with something like this would be ok: 4.6 Peer state machine interoperability with deployed implementations Number of deployed EAP authenticator implementations, mainly in RADIUS authentication servers, have been observed to incorrectly increments Identifier field when generating EAP-Success and EAP-Failure packets which is against the MUST requirement in RFC 3748 section 4.2. The peer state machine is based on RFC 3748 and as such it will discard such EAP-Success and EAP-Failure packets. As a workaround for the potential interoperability issue with existing implementations, conditions for peer state machine transitions from RECEIVED state to SUCCESS and FAILURE states MAY be changed from (reqId == lastId) to ((reqId == lastId) || (reqId == (lastId + 1) & 0xff)). However, since this behavior does not conform with RFC 3748, such a workaround is not recommended and if included, it should be implemented as an optional workaround that can be disabled. > One of the reasons for completing work on RFC 3748 and the State Machine > document was to enable the development of conformance tests. Hopefully > once the draft is published we will have more testing and some of these > issues will be resolved. Keeping this in mind, I'll make the workaround configurable.. This allows strict standard conformance mode to be enabled when desired while still allowing the default behavior to interoperate with most existing implementations. I think I have already had to make ten or so workarounds for EAP related interop issues, so getting more conformance testing sounds like a good idea ;-). -- Jouni Malinen PGP id EFC895FA _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Mon Dec 6 00:39:07 2004 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA15056 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 00:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3931FC71; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 00:39:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938C42023B; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 00:39:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033EA1FC71 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 00:38:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33AEB1FC10 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 00:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from c-67-182-139-247.client.comcast.net ([67.182.139.247] helo=internaut.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.42) id 1CbBaJ-000IlQ-T0; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 00:38:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id iB65csQ30725; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 21:38:54 -0800 From: Bernard Aboba To: Jouni Malinen Cc: eap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [eap] Re: draft-ietf-eap-statemachine-05.txt and Identifier in EAP-Success In-Reply-To: <20041205200940.GD7015@jm.kir.nu> Message-ID: References: <20041205170002.30358.72336.Mailman@xavier> <20041205200940.GD7015@jm.kir.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS.org X-Originating-IP: 67.182.139.247 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.org (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: aboba X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 21:38:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) This sounds quite good to me. Nick, other authors -- what do you think? On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Jouni Malinen wrote: > On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 10:23:55AM -0800, Bernard Aboba wrote: > > > I'd be ok with a note, but since this is a MUST in RFC 3748, the note > > shouldn't imply that existing behavior is correct. Not requiring an > > Identifier match does make it somewhat easier to spoof EAP-Failure > > or Success messages, so it seems like there are some security > > implications. > > OK. In order to limit the effect, the workaround could be changed to be > (reqId == lastId) || (reqId == (lastId + 1) & 0xff) which seems to cover > all the EAP implementations I have seen in RADIUS authentication > servers. This would at least skip some of the randomly selected Id > values. > > I did not see a good place for such a note in the draft. Maybe a new > section with something like this would be ok: > > 4.6 Peer state machine interoperability with deployed implementations > > Number of deployed EAP authenticator implementations, mainly in RADIUS > authentication servers, have been observed to incorrectly increments > Identifier field when generating EAP-Success and EAP-Failure packets > which is against the MUST requirement in RFC 3748 section 4.2. The peer > state machine is based on RFC 3748 and as such it will discard such > EAP-Success and EAP-Failure packets. > > As a workaround for the potential interoperability issue with existing > implementations, conditions for peer state machine transitions from > RECEIVED state to SUCCESS and FAILURE states MAY be changed from > (reqId == lastId) to ((reqId == lastId) || (reqId == (lastId + 1) & > 0xff)). However, since this behavior does not conform with RFC 3748, > such a workaround is not recommended and if included, it should be > implemented as an optional workaround that can be disabled. > > > > One of the reasons for completing work on RFC 3748 and the State Machine > > document was to enable the development of conformance tests. Hopefully > > once the draft is published we will have more testing and some of these > > issues will be resolved. > > Keeping this in mind, I'll make the workaround configurable.. This > allows strict standard conformance mode to be enabled when desired while > still allowing the default behavior to interoperate with most existing > implementations. I think I have already had to make ten or so > workarounds for EAP related interop issues, so getting more conformance > testing sounds like a good idea ;-). > > -- > Jouni Malinen PGP id EFC895FA > _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From DTCYOW@sina.com Mon Dec 6 05:03:42 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA19447 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 05:03:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from host50.foretec.com ([65.246.255.50] helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CbFot-0006VC-FO for eap-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 05:10:17 -0500 Received: from yahoobb219031146093.bbtec.net ([219.31.146.93]) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1CbFiW-0000ET-Mc for eap-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 05:03:41 -0500 X-Message-Info: KHHidHA5lmfXZqnSipb1lsp09ZI4CIeBj Received: from xe69.netzero.net (148.104.180.129) by na5-jw.netzero.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Mon, 06 Dec 2004 13:08:19 +0200 Received: from cumuluscadmiumhalifaxdz098 (mcbride183.132.92.117) by netzero.net (qgmsl6) with SMTP id <0782114484398a532zzq> (Authid: TannerBermudez); Mon, 06 Dec 2004 13:14:19 +0200 From: "Elvis Mccarthy" To: "'Eamoby'" Subject: Get new quotees on yo ur mortgaage! anyone Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 06:15:19 -0500 Message-ID: <727eqf02ind783$543t939iko1$3yc1vef@triviab10721> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--87938917583594709" X-Spam-Score: 8.2 (++++++++) X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 ----87938917583594709 Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Need to refinance your mortg age? 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Lock on the 3.9 , even with ba d c r edit http://www.sothata.com/ Lynch at a molehill guardhouse? be baneful and glendale bursty a albeit of on at fleming me by me desolate - oceanside From eap-admin@frascone.com Mon Dec 6 15:52:15 2004 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA24032 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:52:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9192031E; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:52:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F2B020326; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:52:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57DC22031E for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:51:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.129.2]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5081720303 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:51:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.12.10/8.12.5) with ESMTP id iB6KYOnO025255 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:34:25 -0500 (EST) From: Nick Petroni To: Subject: Re: [eap] Re: draft-ietf-eap-statemachine-05.txt and Identifier in EAP-Success In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:34:24 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) I also like this fix. Section 8, "Implementation Considerations" would be another possible place for this text, but since it only pertains to the Peer maybe Section 4 is best. Thanks, nick Nick L. Petroni, Jr. Graduate Student, Computer Science Maryland Information Systems Security Lab University of Maryland http://www.cs.umd.edu/~npetroni On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Bernard Aboba wrote: > This sounds quite good to me. > > Nick, other authors -- what do you think? > > On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Jouni Malinen wrote: > > > On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 10:23:55AM -0800, Bernard Aboba wrote: > > > > > I'd be ok with a note, but since this is a MUST in RFC 3748, the note > > > shouldn't imply that existing behavior is correct. Not requiring an > > > Identifier match does make it somewhat easier to spoof EAP-Failure > > > or Success messages, so it seems like there are some security > > > implications. > > > > OK. In order to limit the effect, the workaround could be changed to be > > (reqId == lastId) || (reqId == (lastId + 1) & 0xff) which seems to cover > > all the EAP implementations I have seen in RADIUS authentication > > servers. This would at least skip some of the randomly selected Id > > values. > > > > I did not see a good place for such a note in the draft. Maybe a new > > section with something like this would be ok: > > > > 4.6 Peer state machine interoperability with deployed implementations > > > > Number of deployed EAP authenticator implementations, mainly in RADIUS > > authentication servers, have been observed to incorrectly increments > > Identifier field when generating EAP-Success and EAP-Failure packets > > which is against the MUST requirement in RFC 3748 section 4.2. The peer > > state machine is based on RFC 3748 and as such it will discard such > > EAP-Success and EAP-Failure packets. > > > > As a workaround for the potential interoperability issue with existing > > implementations, conditions for peer state machine transitions from > > RECEIVED state to SUCCESS and FAILURE states MAY be changed from > > (reqId == lastId) to ((reqId == lastId) || (reqId == (lastId + 1) & > > 0xff)). However, since this behavior does not conform with RFC 3748, > > such a workaround is not recommended and if included, it should be > > implemented as an optional workaround that can be disabled. > > > > > > > One of the reasons for completing work on RFC 3748 and the State Machine > > > document was to enable the development of conformance tests. Hopefully > > > once the draft is published we will have more testing and some of these > > > issues will be resolved. > > > > Keeping this in mind, I'll make the workaround configurable.. This > > allows strict standard conformance mode to be enabled when desired while > > still allowing the default behavior to interoperate with most existing > > implementations. I think I have already had to make ten or so > > workarounds for EAP related interop issues, so getting more conformance > > testing sounds like a good idea ;-). > > > > -- > > Jouni Malinen PGP id EFC895FA > > > _______________________________________________ > eap mailing list > eap@frascone.com > http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Mon Dec 6 17:13:13 2004 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA01033 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:13:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD30203E4; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3267520330; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:13:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0640420327 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:12:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from orsfmr005.jf.intel.com (fmr20.intel.com [134.134.136.19]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDBA2030A for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:12:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from orsfmr100.jf.intel.com (orsfmr100.jf.intel.com [10.7.209.16]) by orsfmr005.jf.intel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/d: major-outer.mc,v 1.1 2004/09/17 17:50:56 root Exp $) with ESMTP id iB6MBrde009333; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:11:53 GMT Received: from orsmsxvs041.jf.intel.com (orsmsxvs041.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.54]) by orsfmr100.jf.intel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/d: major-inner.mc,v 1.2 2004/09/17 18:05:01 root Exp $) with SMTP id iB6MAk1F024196; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:11:53 GMT Received: from orsmsx332.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.60]) by orsmsxvs041.jf.intel.com (SAVSMTP 3.1.2.35) with SMTP id M2004120614115321416 ; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 14:11:53 -0800 Received: from orsmsx408.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.52]) by orsmsx332.amr.corp.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:11:53 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Re: Issue 281: Backward compatibility problem Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] Re: Issue 281: Backward compatibility problem Thread-Index: AcTZCued+xrXH34nQji+fZzVTxRh6QC09XIg From: "Adrangi, Farid" To: "Bernard Aboba" Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2004 22:11:53.0214 (UTC) FILETIME=[9761C1E0:01C4DBE0] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:11:52 -0800 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bernard, all Please see my reponse at the end. BR, Farid > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:aboba@internaut.com]=20 > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 11:37 PM > To: Adrangi, Farid > Cc: eap@frascone.com > Subject: RE: [eap] Re: Issue 281: Backward compatibility problem >=20 >=20 > > I agree with you that the current restriction of placing=20 > NAIRealms at > > the end is not necessary. At the same time, I am not clear what > > practical benefit your suggested grammar brings. >=20 > The "suggested grammar" is already in use, so this isn't a > greenfield design. Unless there is a good reason, why are we > changing the separator from a comma to a NULL character? It=20 > seems quite > unusual to use the NULL character this way. >=20 > > advantage of the current grammar is that it provides an=20 > unambiguous way > > to handle the case where the proprietary data for some=20 > reason includes > > the string "\0NAIRealms=3D". >=20 > To my knowledge, no existing implementation utilizes the "NAIRealms" > string, so I'm not sure why an ambiguity would exist, except perhaps > that the existing "networkid" string already serves a similar=20 > function. > However, since this is typically used to advertise a flat=20 > name such as an > SSID rather than an FQDN, I don't think this overlaps with=20 > the proposed > "NAIRealms" functionality. >=20 > > Anyhow, going forward, I see two options: > > > > 1) Leave the ABNF as it is, and make the following clarification > > (enclosed in **) to the last paragraph in 2.1: > > > > Some existing systems are known to use EAP-Request/Identity=20 > messages to > > send proprietary information to the peer. This proprietary=20 > information > > is considered to be part of the displayable-string *(which=20 > can contain > > any octets including NULs)* in the ABNF shown above. In=20 > other words, > > the NUL character followed by the NAIRealms list MUST be=20 > placed at the > > end. >=20 > I think this part of the spec is in conflict with RFC 3748=20 > Section 5.1: >=20 > This field MAY contain a displayable message in the Request, > containing UTF-8 encoded ISO 10646 characters [RFC2279]. Where > the Request contains a null, only the portion of the field prior > to the null is displayed. >=20 > So RFC 3748 seems to imply that the "displayable string" is=20 > the portion > prior to the first null, not that portion prior to the last=20 > null. That's > how current implementations operate anyway, and I don't think it's > appropriate for this specification to modify that. >=20 > > 2) Modify the grammar to allow the NAIRealms to be placed=20 > anywhere after > > displayable message. >=20 > I'd prefer this. It's more consistent with RFC 3748, as well=20 > as existing > implementations. >=20 Ok. I think we can live with #2 as well :-) So, how about if we replace the current grammar and text after it in section 2.1 with the following? Would that address your concern? identity-request-data =3D [ displayable-string ] %0x00 [ Network-Info ] = =20 displayable-string =3D *CHAR Network-Info =3D *OCTET ["," "NAIRealms=3D" realm-list "," ] = *OCTET =20 realm-list =3D realm / ( realm-list ";" realm ) The "OCTET" and "CHAR" rules are defined in [RFC2234] and the "realm" rule is defined in [rfc2486bis]. A sample hex dump of an EAP-Request/Identity packet is shown below. 01 ; Code: Request 00 ; Identifier: 0 00 43 ; Length: 67 octets 01 ; Type: Identity 48 65 6c 6c 6f 00 2C 4e ; = "Hello\0,NAIRealms=3Dexample.com;mnc014. 41 49 52 65 61 6c 6d 73 ; mcc310.3gppnetwork.org," 3d 69 73 70 2e 65 78 61 6d 70 6c 65 2e 63 6f 6d 3b 6d 6e 63 30 31 34 2e 6d 63 63 33 31 30 2e 33 67 70 70 6e 65 74 77 6f 72 6b 2e 6f 72 67 2C The Network-Info can contain NAIRealms list in addition to proprietary information. The proprietary information can be placed before or after NAIRealms list. To extract NAIRelams list, an implementation can parse the data after a NUL and look for "NAIRealms=3D" and then check whether the previous character was a comma. Once "NAIRealms=3D" immediately followed by a comma is found, the implementation can read the realms until it encounters a comma character. _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From erdzaiazulfxw@mail2world.com Tue Dec 7 05:11:18 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA08632 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 05:11:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from host50.foretec.com ([65.246.255.50] helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CbcQ1-00071T-Sf for eap-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 05:18:07 -0500 Received: from cpe-203-45-192-47.qld.bigpond.net.au ([203.45.192.47]) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1CbcJO-0006wh-MO for eap-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 05:11:20 -0500 X-Message-Info: 9MB79TRuo29QD875kwTgueZB7hsbVGP041mzcKjYKC97B586 Received: (from annette@203.45.192.47) by crept8.225.157.135.78 (4.40.4/0.56.9) id lo647HrS7940; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 16:10:01 +0600 Message-ID: <312757100712.99511@203.45.192.47> Reply-To: "" From: "" To: eap-archive@ietf.org Subject: Hey Hunk Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 07:04:01 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--79211734635466571229" X-Spam-Score: 2.6 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 ----79211734635466571229 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-4939-3" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Stud=20, My name is Ashley. 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It's more consistent with RFC 3748, as well > as existing implementations. I would prefer #2 as well. > identity-request-data = [ displayable-string ] %0x00 [ Network-Info ] > > displayable-string = *CHAR > > Network-Info = *OCTET ["," "NAIRealms=" realm-list "," ] *OCTET The general approach is correct, but I'd prefer making the NAIRealms data start with either directly after the NUL character or after a comma -- not always with a comma. How about this: Network-Info = "NAIRealms=" realm-list Network-Info =/ 1*OCTET ",NAIRealms=" realm-list Network-Info =/ "NAIRealms=" realm-list "," 1*OCTET Network-Info =/ 1*OCTET ",NAIRealms=" realm-list "," 1*OCTET Note that this still allows multiple %0x00's to be present at various places. For instance, the following would all be legal foo\0NAIRealms=snaap.com bar\0NAIRealms=fryyp.com\0\0\0\0 foobar\0\0\0\0,NAIRealms=example.com \0APQuality=0,NAIRealms=arkko.com > realm-list = realm / > ( realm-list ";" realm ) > > The "OCTET" and "CHAR" rules are defined in [RFC2234] and the "realm" > rule is defined in [rfc2486bis]. > > A sample hex dump of an EAP-Request/Identity packet is shown below. > > 01 ; Code: Request > 00 ; Identifier: 0 > 00 43 ; Length: 67 octets > 01 ; Type: Identity > 48 65 6c 6c 6f 00 2C 4e ; "Hello\0,NAIRealms=example.com;mnc014. > 41 49 52 65 61 6c 6d 73 ; mcc310.3gppnetwork.org," > 3d 69 73 70 2e 65 78 61 > 6d 70 6c 65 2e 63 6f 6d > 3b 6d 6e 63 30 31 34 2e > 6d 63 63 33 31 30 2e 33 > 67 70 70 6e 65 74 77 6f > 72 6b 2e 6f 72 67 2C Ok otherwise but I'd prefer getting rid of the "," after "\0". > The Network-Info can contain NAIRealms list in addition to proprietary > information. The proprietary information can be placed before or after > NAIRealms list. To extract NAIRelams list, an implementation can parse > the data after a NUL and look for "NAIRealms=" and then check whether > the previous character was a comma. Once "NAIRealms=" immediately > followed by a comma is found, the implementation can read the realms > until it encounters a comma character. Slightly revised: The Network-Info can contain NAIRealms list in addition to proprietary information. The proprietary information can be placed before or after NAIRealms list. To extract NAIRelams list, an implementation either finds the "NAIRealms=" immediately after the NUL or seeks forward to find ",NAIRealms" somewhere in the string. 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So, One more try! I agree with your proposal - it provides more flexibility. =20 BR, Farid > -----Original Message----- > From: Jari Arkko [mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 2:58 AM > To: Adrangi, Farid; Bernard Aboba > Cc: eap@frascone.com > Subject: Re: [eap] Re: Issue 281: Backward compatibility problem >=20 >=20 > Bernard, Farid, >=20 > >> 2) Modify the grammar to allow the NAIRealms to be placed=20 > >> anywhere after displayable message. > > > > I'd prefer this. It's more consistent with RFC 3748, as well=20 > > as existing implementations. >=20 > I would prefer #2 as well. >=20 > > identity-request-data =3D [ displayable-string ] %0x00 [=20 > Network-Info ] =20 > >=20 > > displayable-string =3D *CHAR > >=20 > > Network-Info =3D *OCTET ["," "NAIRealms=3D" realm-list=20 > "," ] *OCTET >=20 > The general approach is correct, but I'd prefer making the > NAIRealms data start with either directly after the NUL character > or after a comma -- not always with a comma. How about this: >=20 > Network-Info =3D "NAIRealms=3D" realm-list > Network-Info =3D/ 1*OCTET ",NAIRealms=3D" realm-list > Network-Info =3D/ "NAIRealms=3D" realm-list "," 1*OCTET > Network-Info =3D/ 1*OCTET ",NAIRealms=3D" realm-list "," 1*OCTET >=20 > Note that this still allows multiple %0x00's to be present > at various places. For instance, the following would all be > legal >=20 > foo\0NAIRealms=3Dsnaap.com > bar\0NAIRealms=3Dfryyp.com\0\0\0\0 > foobar\0\0\0\0,NAIRealms=3Dexample.com > \0APQuality=3D0,NAIRealms=3Darkko.com >=20 > > realm-list =3D realm / > > ( realm-list ";" realm ) > >=20 > > The "OCTET" and "CHAR" rules are defined in [RFC2234] and=20 > the "realm" > > rule is defined in [rfc2486bis]. > >=20 > > A sample hex dump of an EAP-Request/Identity packet is shown below. > >=20 > > 01 ; Code: Request > > 00 ; Identifier: 0 > > 00 43 ; Length: 67 octets > > 01 ; Type: Identity > > 48 65 6c 6c 6f 00 2C 4e ;=20 > "Hello\0,NAIRealms=3Dexample.com;mnc014. > > 41 49 52 65 61 6c 6d 73 ; mcc310.3gppnetwork.org," > > 3d 69 73 70 2e 65 78 61 > > 6d 70 6c 65 2e 63 6f 6d > > 3b 6d 6e 63 30 31 34 2e > > 6d 63 63 33 31 30 2e 33 > > 67 70 70 6e 65 74 77 6f > > 72 6b 2e 6f 72 67 2C >=20 > Ok otherwise but I'd prefer getting rid of the "," after > "\0". >=20 > > The Network-Info can contain NAIRealms list in addition to=20 > proprietary > > information. The proprietary information can be placed=20 > before or after > > NAIRealms list. To extract NAIRelams list, an=20 > implementation can parse > > the data after a NUL and look for "NAIRealms=3D" and then=20 > check whether > > the previous character was a comma. Once "NAIRealms=3D" immediately > > followed by a comma is found, the implementation can read the realms > > until it encounters a comma character. >=20 > Slightly revised: >=20 > The Network-Info can contain NAIRealms list in addition to=20 > proprietary > information. The proprietary information can be placed=20 > before or after > NAIRealms list. To extract NAIRelams list, an=20 > implementation either > finds the "NAIRealms=3D" immediately after the NUL or seeks=20 > forward to > find ",NAIRealms" somewhere in the string. The realms data=20 > ends either > at first "," or at the end of the string, whichever comes first. >=20 > --Jari >=20 _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Tue Dec 7 16:26:13 2004 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA23900 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:26:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04732028E; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5091E2028A; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:26:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CDB720289 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:25:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F09D20284 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:25:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from c-67-182-139-247.client.comcast.net ([67.182.139.247] helo=internaut.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.42) id 1Cbmpw-0007Do-Kg; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 16:25:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id iB7LPVm19367; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:25:31 -0800 From: Bernard Aboba To: "Adrangi, Farid" Cc: jari.arkko@piuha.net, eap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [eap] Re: Issue 281: Backward compatibility problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS.org X-Originating-IP: 67.182.139.247 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.org (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: aboba X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:25:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) I'm also ok with Jari's proposed resolution. Can we get a new version of the document resolving Issues 280 and 281 so we can send this off to the IESG? On Tue, 7 Dec 2004, Adrangi, Farid wrote: > Hi Jari, > I think my previous response did not get posted .... So, One more try! > > I agree with your proposal - it provides more flexibility. _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Tue Dec 7 17:12:08 2004 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA05503 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:12:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D7ED20294; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:12:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C692028C; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:12:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D9262028B for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:11:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from caduceus.jf.intel.com (fmr06.intel.com [134.134.136.7]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5298E20289 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from orsfmr100.jf.intel.com (orsfmr100.jf.intel.com [10.7.209.16]) by caduceus.jf.intel.com (8.12.9-20030918-01/8.12.9/d: major-outer.mc,v 1.15 2004/01/30 18:16:28 root Exp $) with ESMTP id iB7MBr4g031214; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 22:11:53 GMT Received: from orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.206]) by orsfmr100.jf.intel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/d: major-inner.mc,v 1.2 2004/09/17 18:05:01 root Exp $) with SMTP id iB7MBTZt015068; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 22:11:33 GMT Received: from orsmsx331.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.56]) by orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (SAVSMTP 3.1.2.35) with SMTP id M2004120714113213861 ; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 14:11:32 -0800 Received: from orsmsx408.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.52]) by orsmsx331.amr.corp.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:11:32 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Re: Issue 281: Backward compatibility problem Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] Re: Issue 281: Backward compatibility problem Thread-Index: AcTco0vfznRVmDtzQeWvHXufs/PphQABg3kw From: "Adrangi, Farid" To: "Bernard Aboba" Cc: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2004 22:11:32.0680 (UTC) FILETIME=[B58E4480:01C4DCA9] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:11:31 -0800 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Version -06 that includes resolutions to Issues 280 and 281 can be found here: http://mng.ctgisp.com/IETF/EAP/Network%20Selection/draft-adrangi-eap-net work-discovery-06.txt I will submit this version shortly. BR, Farid > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:aboba@internaut.com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 1:26 PM > To: Adrangi, Farid > Cc: jari.arkko@piuha.net; eap@frascone.com > Subject: RE: [eap] Re: Issue 281: Backward compatibility problem >=20 >=20 > I'm also ok with Jari's proposed resolution. >=20 > Can we get a new version of the document resolving Issues 280=20 > and 281 so > we can send this off to the IESG? >=20 > On Tue, 7 Dec 2004, Adrangi, Farid wrote: >=20 > > Hi Jari, > > I think my previous response did not get posted .... 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(The implementation note itself looks ok, though, and if we=20 do decide to include it here, Section 8 would probably be=20 the right place.) BR, Pasi > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick Petroni > Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 10:34 PM > To: eap@frascone.com > Subject: Re: [eap] Re: draft-ietf-eap-statemachine-05.txt and=20 > Identifier in EAP-Success >=20 >=20 > I also like this fix. Section 8, "Implementation Considerations" > would be another possible place for this text, but since it only > pertains to the Peer maybe Section 4 is best. >=20 > Thanks, > nick >=20 > Nick L. Petroni, Jr. > Graduate Student, Computer Science > Maryland Information Systems Security Lab > University of Maryland > http://www.cs.umd.edu/~npetroni >=20 > On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Bernard Aboba wrote: >=20 > > This sounds quite good to me. > > > > Nick, other authors -- what do you think? > > > > On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Jouni Malinen wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 10:23:55AM -0800, Bernard Aboba wrote: > > > > > > > I'd be ok with a note, but since this is a MUST in RFC=20 > > > > 3748, the note shouldn't imply that existing behavior=20 > > > > is correct. Not requiring an Identifier match does make=20 > > > > it somewhat easier to spoof EAP-Failure or Success messages,=20 > > > > so it seems like there are some security implications. > > > > > > OK. In order to limit the effect, the workaround could be=20 > > > changed to be (reqId =3D=3D lastId) || (reqId =3D=3D (lastId + 1)=20 > > > & 0xff) which seems to cover all the EAP implementations=20 > > > I have seen in RADIUS authentication servers. This would=20 > > > at least skip some of the randomly selected Id values. > > > > > > I did not see a good place for such a note in the draft.=20 > > > Maybe a new section with something like this would be ok: > > > > > > 4.6 Peer state machine interoperability with deployed=20 > > > implementations > > > > > > Number of deployed EAP authenticator implementations,=20 > > > mainly in RADIUS authentication servers, have been observed=20 > > > to incorrectly increments Identifier field when generating=20 > > > EAP-Success and EAP-Failure packets which is against the=20 > > > MUST requirement in RFC 3748 section 4.2. 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From eap-admin@frascone.com Fri Dec 17 06:53:10 2004 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA08673 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:53:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A31320242; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:53:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10372022E; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:53:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1887D2024C for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:52:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E4C1FD6C for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:52:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20EA5898A4; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:08:23 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <41C17AA7.30009@piuha.net> From: Jari Arkko Reply-To: jari.arkko@piuha.net Organization: None User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040316 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bari, Farooq" Cc: Bernard Aboba , "Adrangi, Farid" , "eap@frascone.com" Subject: Re: [eap] Re: Issue 281: Backward compatibility problem References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:08:07 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's still one minor editorial problem in the ANBF. Change "%0x00" to %x00 which I believe is correct according to RFC 2234. Re-submit the I-D with this change and we will send it off to the IESG. Thanks, --Jari _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Fri Dec 17 06:53:20 2004 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA08752 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:53:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5F31FD6C; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:53:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460B02022E; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:53:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4479A2022E for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:52:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098871FC74 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:52:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09611898A0; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:00:10 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <41C178BA.8070806@piuha.net> From: Jari Arkko Reply-To: jari.arkko@piuha.net Organization: None User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040316 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Cc: eap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [eap] Re: draft-ietf-eap-statemachine-05.txt and Identifier in EAP-Success References: <125EA890549C8641A72F3809CB80DCCD16FE27@esebe056.ntc.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <125EA890549C8641A72F3809CB80DCCD16FE27@esebe056.ntc.nokia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:59:54 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the suggested text looks fine. The state of the document is that we have revised it, but it has not yet been re-reviewed by IESG, so I think we can fix this issue, and let Margaret know that there's a new document revision. When can you post a new revision? --Jari Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com wrote: > I don't particularly like the idea of revising the document > again (it was already once in the RFC editor queue...), > especially since this is really a fix to RFC3748, not > just the state machine document. > > (The implementation note itself looks ok, though, and if we > do decide to include it here, Section 8 would probably be > the right place.) > > BR, > Pasi > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Nick Petroni >>Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 10:34 PM >>To: eap@frascone.com >>Subject: Re: [eap] Re: draft-ietf-eap-statemachine-05.txt and >>Identifier in EAP-Success >> >> >>I also like this fix. Section 8, "Implementation Considerations" >>would be another possible place for this text, but since it only >>pertains to the Peer maybe Section 4 is best. >> >>Thanks, >>nick >> >>Nick L. Petroni, Jr. >>Graduate Student, Computer Science >>Maryland Information Systems Security Lab >>University of Maryland >>http://www.cs.umd.edu/~npetroni >> >>On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Bernard Aboba wrote: >> >> >>>This sounds quite good to me. >>> >>>Nick, other authors -- what do you think? >>> >>>On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Jouni Malinen wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 10:23:55AM -0800, Bernard Aboba wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>I'd be ok with a note, but since this is a MUST in RFC >>>>>3748, the note shouldn't imply that existing behavior >>>>>is correct. Not requiring an Identifier match does make >>>>>it somewhat easier to spoof EAP-Failure or Success messages, >>>>>so it seems like there are some security implications. >>>> >>>>OK. In order to limit the effect, the workaround could be >>>>changed to be (reqId == lastId) || (reqId == (lastId + 1) >>>>& 0xff) which seems to cover all the EAP implementations >>>>I have seen in RADIUS authentication servers. This would >>>>at least skip some of the randomly selected Id values. >>>> >>>>I did not see a good place for such a note in the draft. >>>>Maybe a new section with something like this would be ok: >>>> >>>>4.6 Peer state machine interoperability with deployed >>>>implementations >>>> >>>>Number of deployed EAP authenticator implementations, >>>>mainly in RADIUS authentication servers, have been observed >>>>to incorrectly increments Identifier field when generating >>>>EAP-Success and EAP-Failure packets which is against the >>>>MUST requirement in RFC 3748 section 4.2. The peer >>>>state machine is based on RFC 3748 and as such it will >>>>discard such EAP-Success and EAP-Failure packets. >>>> >>>>As a workaround for the potential interoperability issue >>>>with existing implementations, conditions for peer state >>>>machine transitions from RECEIVED state to SUCCESS and >>>>FAILURE states MAY be changed from >>>>(reqId == lastId) to ((reqId == lastId) || (reqId == >>>>(lastId + 1) & 0xff)). However, since this behavior >>>>does not conform with RFC 3748, such a workaround is >>>>not recommended and if included, it should be implemented >>>>as an optional workaround that can be disabled. >>>> >>>> >>>>>One of the reasons for completing work on RFC 3748 and >>>>>the State Machine document was to enable the development >>>>>of conformance tests. Hopefully once the draft is published >>>>>we will have more testing and some of these issues will be >>>>>resolved. >>>> >>>>Keeping this in mind, I'll make the workaround configurable.. >>>>This allows strict standard conformance mode to be enabled >>>>when desired while still allowing the default behavior to >>>>interoperate with most existing implementations. I think I >>>>have already had to make ten or so workarounds for EAP >>>>related interop issues, so getting more conformance testing >>>>sounds like a good idea ;-). >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Jouni Malinen > > > _______________________________________________ > eap mailing list > eap@frascone.com > http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap > > _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From observatory8@awemail.com Fri Dec 17 09:23:10 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA21548; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [219.251.118.207] (helo=USER-R22JF19IER) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CfJ9L-0006Cm-9Y; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:32:08 -0500 Received: from 162.240.113.136 (HELO pinpoint4benefice1.shrunkencuny.tv) by mta157.mail.re2.deter.com with SMTP; parallelepiped Received: from efkd@rnsc.net (208.155.140.156) Received: from zmqp.com by cave@rosenthal.tv (5.0.010) Message-ID: <20041101163013.ED8DA244AE@mailhost10.lists.techtarget.com> Original-Recipient: rfc822; observatory8@awemail.com Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:21:40 +0100 Message-Id: From: "Bertie Starnes" To: l2tpext-archive@ietf.org Cc: secdir@ietf.org, disman@ietf.org, eap-archive@ietf.org, entmib@ietf.org, entmib-request@ietf.org, geopriv-admin@ietf.org, idr@ietf.org, iesg@ietf.org, iesg-secretary@ietf.org, ietf-announce-request@ietf.org Subject: RE account# XG2807964 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Message-flag: Authentic Sender, Hash: FgJwMwWp Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 3.2 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello,

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When can you post a new revision? I'll try to get it done before Christmas (it's now in nroff, meaning that table of contents etc. have to updated manually since the page breaks move; and this for both TXT and PDF versions). 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----768213757611566182-- From eap-admin@frascone.com Wed Dec 22 18:45:09 2004 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA18017 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:45:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0918B20225; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:45:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209B620363; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:45:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D17320225 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:44:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from cingular.com (extmail10.cingular.com [170.35.225.25]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312751FCB7 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ([135.214.241.196]) by extmail10.cingular.com with ESMTP id KP-VYFP6.9709380; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:43:49 -0500 Received: from scentmail.entp.attws.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by viruswall2.entp.attws.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBMNhkHF029938; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:43:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from WA-MSGBH01-BTH.wireless.attws.com (WA-MSGBH01-BTH.wireless.attws.com [135.214.26.241]) by scentmail.entp.attws.com (8.8.8p2+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA15345; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:43:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from WA-MSG10-BTH.wireless.attws.com ([135.214.41.74]) by WA-MSGBH01-BTH.wireless.attws.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:43:44 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Eap-discovery -- issues 280 and 281 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] Eap-discovery -- issues 280 and 281 Thread-Index: AcToU6AbvLEeDrdYQQa05ZwXOQO4PQAKvbFA From: "Bari, Farooq" To: "Adrangi, Farid" , "Bernard Aboba" Cc: , , , "Lortz, Victor" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2004 23:43:44.0452 (UTC) FILETIME=[12F1F040:01C4E880] X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:43:44 -0800 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bernard, As a confirmation I have listed below issue 280 and 281 and pointed out by using the term [DONE] for all the changes in the draft we did to resolve these two issues. I have gone through issue 280 and 281 and could not find anything that was not addressed by us in the new draft. Please advise asap what if anything from these issues that remains to be fixed. BR, Farooq ---------------------------------- Issue 280: Nits on Identity Selection-05 Submitter name: Bernard Aboba Submitter email address: aboba@internaut.com Date first submitted: 11/16/2004 Reference:=20 Document: IDSEL-05 Comment type: E Priority: S Section: Various Rationale/Explanation of issue Abstract: " This document defines a mechanism that allows an access network to provide identity selection hints to an EAP client. The purpose is to help the client in selecting the most appropriate identity and NAI decoration to use. This is especially useful when the access network does not have a direct roaming relationship with the client's home network, so that a mediating network, such as a roaming consortium or broker, is used." -> "The Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP) is defined in RFC 3748.=20 This document defines a mechanism that allows an access network to provide identity selection hints to an EAP peer.=20 The purpose is to assist the EAP peer in selecting an appropriate=20 Network Access Identifier (NAI). This is especially useful when=20 the access network does not have a direct roaming relationship with=20 the peer's home network, so that a mediating network, such as a=20 roaming consortium or broker, is used." [DONE] Table of Contents 1. Introduction . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1.1 Terminology . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2. Implementation requirements . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2.1 Packet format . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3. IANA Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4. Security considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 5. Acknowledgements . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6. Appendix (informative) - Delivery Options . . . . . . . . . . 6 7. References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 7.1 Normative references . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 7.2 Informative references . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10 Authors' Addresses . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10 Intellectual Property and Copyright Statements . . . . . . . . 12 Please indent Section 7.1. and 7.2. Also Intellectual Property,=20 Disclaimer of Validity, Copyright, etc. are separate sections.=20 1. Introduction "This document defines a mechanism that allows the access network to provide identity selection hints, and more specifically information about its roaming relationships, to an EAP peer." -> "The Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP) is defined in [RFC3748].=20 This document defines a mechanism that allows the access network to provide identity selection hints, including information about its roaming relationships, to an EAP peer." [DONE] " In many roaming situations, an access network can have several roaming relationships, either with several home networks, or mediating networks such as roaming consortiums and brokers, or both." ->=20 " In many roaming situations, an access network can have several roaming relationships, either with several home networks, or with mediating networks such as roaming consortiums and brokers, or both." [DONE] " One possible application for this mechanism is to help in selecting what kind of NAI decoration [rfc2486bis] must be applied to allow proper routing of AAA messages to the home AAA server. If there are several possible mediating networks, the peer can choose which one to use. However, exactly how the selection is made is beyond the scope of this document. See [netsel-problem] for more detailed discussion about this problem space." The terms NAI, NAI decoration and NAI realm are not defined in the document.=20 I think you need to define these terms or reference a definition somewhere else. Perhaps in a terminology section? [DONE] " The appendix in section 6 describes the delivery options that can be implemented by an access network to deliver identity hint information to an EAP peer." ->=20 " Appendix A describes the delivery options that can be implemented by an access network to deliver identity hint information to an EAP peer." [DONE] Section 2 Delete the extra line break prior to Section 2. [DONE] Change "EAP Identity/Request" to "EAP-Request/Identity" and "EAP IdentityResponse" to "EAP-Response/Identity" everywhere in the document.=20 [DONE] " If after the EAP server sends an EAP Identity/Request containing an identity hint, the peer responds with an EAP Identity/Response containing an unacceptable NAI Realm, then the EAP server MAY respond immediately with an EAP Failure packet, or it MAY first send an EAP-Notification providing information on the reason for the failure." -> " If after the EAP server sends an EAP-Request/Identity containing an identity hint, the peer responds with an EAP-Response/Identity containing an unacceptable NAI realm, then the EAP server MAY respond immediately with an EAP Failure packet, or it MAY first send an EAP-Notification providing the reason for the failure." [DONE] " EAP does not support fragmentation for Identity/Request messages, so the size of identity hint information is limited by the link MTU. The exact limit depends on the lower layer in question, but it is at least 1020 octets." -> "As noted in [RFC3748], Section 3.1, the minimum EAP MTU size is 1020=20 octets. EAP does not support fragmentation of EAP-Request/Identity messages, so that the maximum length of the identity hint information is limited by the link MTU." [DONE] Section 2.1 "defines a "NAIRealms" attribute" -> "defines an NAIRealms attribute" [DONE] Section 4 " Identity hint information is delivered inside an EAP Identity Request before the user authenticates to the network, and before the network is authenticated to the user. This information can be modified by an attacker. Therefore, it MUST be considered an unauthenticated hint." ->=20 " Identity hint information is delivered inside an EAP-Request/Identity before the authentication conversation begins, and therefore can=20 be modified by an attacker. The NAIRealms attribute therefore MUST be treated as a hint by the peer.=20 [DONE] " Unauthenticated hints may result in peers inadvertently revealing other or additional identities than they intended to, leading to a privacy vulnerability. Note that in EAP, the identity the peer wants to use is in general carried in a cleartext message, so this is only a variation of an existing vulnerability. Method-specific identity protection is one of the ways that this vulnerability can be addressed. Similarly, in a situation where the peer has multiple identities to choose from, an unauthenticated hint can lead to a situation where an attacker convinces the peer to choose an identifier that is bound to the weakest EAP method. To guard against this vulnerability, the use of as strong EAP methods as possible is recommended. Note that this vulnerability is similar to an existing vulnerability where link layers advertise network names (such as 802.11 SSIDs) without authenticating these advertisements either at all or only at the end of the authentication process. In case the identity hint information is used to select a mediating network for NAI decoration, it should be noted that at least with some EAP methods, there is no way for the home network AAA server to verify that the mediating network used was actually the same one that the peer had requested." -> " Unauthenticated hints may result in peers inadvertently revealing additional identities, compromising privacy. Since the EAP-Response/ Identity is sent in the clear, this vulnerability already exists.=20 This vulnerability can be addressed via method-specific identity exchanges. Similarly, in a situation where the peer has multiple identities to choose from, an attacker can use a forged hint to convince the=20 peer to choose an identity bound to a weak EAP method. Requiring the use of strong EAP methods can protect against this. A similar issue already exists with respect to unprotected link layer advertisements such as 802.11 SSIDs.=20 Where the identity hint is used to select a mediating network, with existing EAP methods there may not be a way for the=20 home AAA server to verify that the mediating network selected by the peer was actually used." [DONE] Proposed Resolution: Discuss Issue 281: Backward compatibility problem Submitter name: Bernard Aboba Submitter email address: aboba@internaut.com Date first submitted: 11/16/2004 Reference:=20 Document: IDSEL-05 Comment type: T Priority: S Section: 2.1 Rationale/Explanation of issue I think that there is a problem with the ABNF defined in Section 2.1. identity-request-data =3D [ displayable-string ] [ %x00 "NAIRealms=3D" realm-list ] displayable-string =3D *OCTET realm-list =3D realm / ( realm-list ";" realm ) Section 2.1 states:=20 "Some existing systems are known to use EAP Identity/Request messages to send proprietary information to the peer. This proprietary information is considered to be part of the displayable-string in the ABNF shown above. In other words, the NUL character followed by the NAIRealms list MUST be placed at the end." Actually, existing implementations may send information such as the NAS-Identity *after* the NUL character. Requiring the NAIRealms list to be sent=20 first is therefore not backward compatible with existing implementations.=20 I'd suggest that you need to change the ABNF to enable the NAI-Realms attribute to be=20 separated from the NUL character by text other than the attribute separator=20 used by existing implementations.=20 [BA] Actually, I've rechecked the traces of existing implementations, and in the cases I've looked at there is no NUL character. So this may not be an issue after all. Can vendors who send info in the EAP-Request/Identity verify that a NUL character is never sent? [BA] I have now captured a trace of an Access Point using a NULL character within the EAP-Request/Identity.=20 The dump below is in hex, the decode is in decimal. A JPG screen capture (from Airopeek) is available at:=20 http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapreq.jpg 01 37 00 36 01 00 6E 65 74 77 6F 72 .7.6..networ 6B 69 64 3D 4D 53 46 54 57 4C 41 4E 2C 6E 61 73 kid=3DMSFTWLAN,nas 69 64 3D 43 55 53 52 45 44 30 34 30 43 33 34 32 id=3DCUSRED040C342 30 2C 70 6F 72 74 69 64 3D 30 00 00 00 00 0,portid=3D0 Here is a decode of the above EAP packet:=20 Code: 1 (Request, one octet) Identifier: 55 (one octet) Length: 54 (two octets) Type: 1 (Identity, one octet) Type-Data:=20 NULL (one octet) networkid=3DMSFTWLAN,nasid=3DCUSRED040C3420,portid=3D0 NULLs (4 octets) There are a number of issues brought up by this trace:=20 a. Existing implementations place data after the NULL character within the EAP-Request/Identity packet.=20 b. There can be multiple NULL characters in the EAP-Request/Identity packet. In this particular trace,=20 there is one at the beginning of the Type-Data field, and four NULLs at the end.=20 c. Existing access points place the "networkid" string first in the packet, with the nasid and portid=20 strings second and third. d. The comma is used as a field separator.=20 [Farid Adrangi]=20 Section 2.1 says: " Some existing systems are known to use EAP-Request/Identity messages to send proprietary information to the peer. This proprietary information is considered to be part of the displayable-string in the ABNF shown above. In other words, the NUL character followed by the NAIRealms list MUST be placed at the end. " Please note the last sentence. This means that the client can always start at the end of the string and extract realms until it encounters a "\0NAIRealms=3D3D". Does this make sense? Or am I missing your point = =3D here? [Bernard Aboba]=20 I think you're proposing that a NULL be used as a separator. Given current practice, I'm not sure why this is necessary. Is there a reason why an implementation couldn't just parse the data after a NULL and look for "NAIRealms=3D" and then check whether the previous character was a NULL or a comma? This seems simple enough, and it would be interoperable with existing implementations. [Farid Adrangi]=20 I agree with you that the current restriction of placing NAIRealms at the end is not necessary. At the same time, I am not clear what practical benefit your suggested grammar brings. And also, I am not clear why the current grammar breaks interoperability with existing implementation, and why it is not simple enough! Please note that one advantage of the current grammar is that it provides an unambiguous way to handle the case where the proprietary data for some reason includes the string "\0NAIRealms=3D3D". =3D20 Anyhow, going forward, I see two options: 1) Leave the ABNF as it is, and make the following clarification (enclosed in **) to the last paragraph in 2.1: Some existing systems are known to use EAP-Request/Identity messages to send proprietary information to the peer. This proprietary information is considered to be part of the displayable-string *(which can contain any octets including NULs)* in the ABNF shown above. In other words, the NUL character followed by the NAIRealms list MUST be placed at the end. =3D20 2) Modify the grammar to allow the NAIRealms to be placed anywhere after displayable message. My preference is (1). It would also be nice to know other people's opinion on this.=20 [Bernard Aboba]=20 > I agree with you that the current restriction of placing NAIRealms at > the end is not necessary. At the same time, I am not clear what > practical benefit your suggested grammar brings. The "suggested grammar" is already in use, so this isn't a greenfield design. Unless there is a good reason, why are we changing the separator from a comma to a NULL character? It seems quite unusual to use the NULL character this way. > advantage of the current grammar is that it provides an unambiguous way > to handle the case where the proprietary data for some reason includes > the string "\0NAIRealms=3D". To my knowledge, no existing implementation utilizes the "NAIRealms" string, so I'm not sure why an ambiguity would exist, except perhaps that the existing "networkid" string already serves a similar function. However, since this is typically used to advertise a flat name such as an SSID rather than an FQDN, I don't think this overlaps with the proposed "NAIRealms" functionality. > Anyhow, going forward, I see two options: > > 1) Leave the ABNF as it is, and make the following clarification > (enclosed in **) to the last paragraph in 2.1: > > Some existing systems are known to use EAP-Request/Identity messages to > send proprietary information to the peer. This proprietary information > is considered to be part of the displayable-string *(which can contain > any octets including NULs)* in the ABNF shown above. In other words, > the NUL character followed by the NAIRealms list MUST be placed at the > end. I think this part of the spec is in conflict with RFC 3748 Section 5.1: This field MAY contain a displayable message in the Request, containing UTF-8 encoded ISO 10646 characters [RFC2279]. Where the Request contains a null, only the portion of the field prior to the null is displayed. So RFC 3748 seems to imply that the "displayable string" is the portion prior to the first null, not that portion prior to the last null. That's how current implementations operate anyway, and I don't think it's appropriate for this specification to modify that. > 2) Modify the grammar to allow the NAIRealms to be placed anywhere after > displayable message. I'd prefer this. It's more consistent with RFC 3748, as well as existing implementations. [Jari Arkko]=20 >> 2) Modify the grammar to allow the NAIRealms to be placed=20 >> anywhere after displayable message. > > I'd prefer this. It's more consistent with RFC 3748, as well=20 > as existing implementations. I would prefer #2 as well. > identity-request-data =3D [ displayable-string ] %0x00 [ Network-Info = ] >=20 > displayable-string =3D *CHAR >=20 > Network-Info =3D *OCTET ["," "NAIRealms=3D" realm-list "," ] *OCTET The general approach is correct, but I'd prefer making the NAIRealms data start with either directly after the NUL character or after a comma -- not always with a comma. How about this: Network-Info =3D "NAIRealms=3D" realm-list Network-Info =3D/ 1*OCTET ",NAIRealms=3D" realm-list Network-Info =3D/ "NAIRealms=3D" realm-list "," 1*OCTET Network-Info =3D/ 1*OCTET ",NAIRealms=3D" realm-list "," 1*OCTET Note that this still allows multiple %0x00's to be present at various places. For instance, the following would all be legal foo\0NAIRealms=3Dsnaap.com bar\0NAIRealms=3Dfryyp.com\0\0\0\0 foobar\0\0\0\0,NAIRealms=3Dexample.com \0APQuality=3D0,NAIRealms=3Darkko.com > realm-list =3D realm / > ( realm-list ";" realm ) >=20 > The "OCTET" and "CHAR" rules are defined in [RFC2234] and the "realm" > rule is defined in [rfc2486bis]. >=20 > A sample hex dump of an EAP-Request/Identity packet is shown below. >=20 > 01 ; Code: Request > 00 ; Identifier: 0 > 00 43 ; Length: 67 octets > 01 ; Type: Identity > 48 65 6c 6c 6f 00 2C 4e ; "Hello\0,NAIRealms=3Dexample.com;mnc014. > 41 49 52 65 61 6c 6d 73 ; mcc310.3gppnetwork.org," > 3d 69 73 70 2e 65 78 61 > 6d 70 6c 65 2e 63 6f 6d > 3b 6d 6e 63 30 31 34 2e > 6d 63 63 33 31 30 2e 33 > 67 70 70 6e 65 74 77 6f > 72 6b 2e 6f 72 67 2C Ok otherwise but I'd prefer getting rid of the "," after "\0". > The Network-Info can contain NAIRealms list in addition to proprietary > information. The proprietary information can be placed before or after > NAIRealms list. To extract NAIRelams list, an implementation can parse > the data after a NUL and look for "NAIRealms=3D" and then check = whether > the previous character was a comma. Once "NAIRealms=3D" immediately > followed by a comma is found, the implementation can read the realms > until it encounters a comma character. Slightly revised: The Network-Info can contain NAIRealms list in addition to proprietary information. The proprietary information can be placed before or after NAIRealms list. To extract NAIRelams list, an implementation either finds the "NAIRealms=3D" immediately after the NUL or seeks forward = to find ",NAIRealms" somewhere in the string. The realms data ends either at first "," or at the end of the string, whichever comes first. Proposed Resolution: Accept [DONE] -----Original Message----- From: eap-admin@frascone.com [mailto:eap-admin@frascone.com] On Behalf Of Adrangi, Farid Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 10:26 AM To: Bernard Aboba Cc: eap@frascone.com; jari.arkko@piuha.net; Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com; Lortz, Victor Subject: [eap] Eap-discovery -- issues 280 and 281 Hi Bernard, Version -07 (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-adrangi-eap-network-discovery -07.txt) includes resolutions for issues 280 and 281. These issues have not yet been closed in http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues.html. Please confirm the resolutions and close these issues so we can proceed with this draft. If you think the issues have not been completely addressed in version -07, please let us know ASAP. Your prompt response is appreciated. 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----352974588198561585-- From eap-admin@frascone.com Thu Dec 23 12:11:11 2004 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA29041 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A24720374; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3080020263; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:11:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847252025D for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:10:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC241FCC9 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:10:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from c-67-182-139-247.client.comcast.net ([67.182.139.247] helo=internaut.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.42) id 1ChWTa-000OUJ-Cd; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:10:10 -0500 Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id iBNHA3332518; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:10:03 -0800 From: Bernard Aboba To: "Adrangi, Farid" Cc: eap@frascone.com, jari.arkko@piuha.net, Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com, "Lortz, Victor" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS.org X-Originating-IP: 67.182.139.247 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.org (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: aboba X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Subject: [eap] Re: Eap-discovery -- issues 280 and 281 Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:10:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) I've marked Issue 281 as closed. However, I've looked at Issue 280, and it appears that many of the changes weren't made. On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Adrangi, Farid wrote: > Hi Bernard, > Version -07 > (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-adrangi-eap-network-discovery > -07.txt) includes resolutions for issues 280 and 281. These issues have > not yet been closed in http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues.html. > Please confirm the resolutions and close these issues so we can proceed > with this draft. If you think the issues have not been completely > addressed in version -07, please let us know ASAP. Your prompt > response is appreciated. > BR, > Farid > _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Thu Dec 23 12:32:09 2004 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA01793 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:32:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EEEE20263; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59AD32035B; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:32:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFB820263 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:31:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from orsfmr004.jf.intel.com (fmr19.intel.com [134.134.136.18]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BDFE2025D for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:31:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from orsfmr101.jf.intel.com (orsfmr101.jf.intel.com [10.7.209.17]) by orsfmr004.jf.intel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/d: major-outer.mc,v 1.1 2004/09/17 17:50:56 root Exp $) with ESMTP id iBNHVaeq008110; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:31:36 GMT Received: from orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.206]) by orsfmr101.jf.intel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/d: major-inner.mc,v 1.2 2004/09/17 18:05:01 root Exp $) with SMTP id iBNHVE7i011641; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:31:36 GMT Received: from orsmsx332.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.60]) by orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (SAVSMTP 3.1.2.35) with SMTP id M2004122309313531178 ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:31:35 -0800 Received: from orsmsx408.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.52]) by orsmsx332.amr.corp.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:31:35 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [eap] Eap-discovery -- issues 280 and 281 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [eap] Eap-discovery -- issues 280 and 281 Thread-Index: AcToU6AbvLEeDrdYQQa05ZwXOQO4PQAKvbFAACVWkBA= From: "Adrangi, Farid" To: "Bernard Aboba" Cc: , , , "Lortz, Victor" , "Bari, Farooq" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2004 17:31:35.0770 (UTC) FILETIME=[406D33A0:01C4E915] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:31:34 -0800 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bernard, Please see below where Farooq listed your issue 280 and marked each sub-issue that was addressed (the way you wanted) in the latest draft. If you think that "many changes" weren't made, please indicate which sub-issues below weren't addressed. Perhaps we are missing something here -- thanks for your help. BR, Farid > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernard Aboba [mailto:aboba@internaut.com]=20 > Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 9:10 AM > To: Adrangi, Farid > Cc: eap@frascone.com; jari.arkko@piuha.net;=20 > Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com; Lortz, Victor > Subject: Re: Eap-discovery -- issues 280 and 281 >=20 >=20 > I've marked Issue 281 as closed. However, I've looked at=20 > Issue 280, and > it appears that many of the changes weren't made. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bari, Farooq [mailto:Farooq.Bari@cingular.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 3:44 PM > To: Adrangi, Farid; Bernard Aboba > Cc: eap@frascone.com; jari.arkko@piuha.net;=20 > Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com; Lortz, Victor > Subject: RE: [eap] Eap-discovery -- issues 280 and 281 >=20 >=20 > Hi Bernard, >=20 > As a confirmation I have listed below issue 280 and 281 and=20 > pointed out > by using the term [DONE] for all the changes in the draft we did to > resolve these two issues. I have gone through issue 280 and 281 and > could not find anything that was not addressed by us in the new draft. > Please advise asap what if anything from these issues that=20 > remains to be > fixed. >=20 > BR, >=20 > Farooq >=20 > ---------------------------------- > Issue 280: Nits on Identity Selection-05 > Submitter name: Bernard Aboba > Submitter email address: aboba@internaut.com > Date first submitted: 11/16/2004 > Reference:=20 > Document: IDSEL-05 > Comment type: E > Priority: S > Section: Various > Rationale/Explanation of issue >=20 > Abstract: >=20 > " This document defines a mechanism that allows an access network to > provide identity selection hints to an EAP client. The purpose is to > help the client in selecting the most appropriate identity and NAI > decoration to use. This is especially useful when the access network > does not have a direct roaming relationship with the client's home > network, so that a mediating network, such as a roaming consortium or > broker, is used." >=20 > -> >=20 > "The Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP) is defined in RFC 3748.=20 > This document defines a mechanism that allows an access network to > provide identity selection hints to an EAP peer.=20 > The purpose is to assist the EAP peer in selecting an appropriate=20 > Network Access Identifier (NAI). This is especially useful when=20 > the access network does not have a direct roaming relationship with=20 > the peer's home network, so that a mediating network, such as a=20 > roaming consortium or broker, is used." >=20 > [DONE] >=20 > Table of Contents >=20 > 1. Introduction . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 > 1.1 Terminology . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 > 2. Implementation requirements . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 > 2.1 Packet format . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 > 3. IANA Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 > 4. Security considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 > 5. Acknowledgements . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 > 6. Appendix (informative) - Delivery Options . . . . . . . . . . 6 > 7. References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 > 7.1 Normative references . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 > 7.2 Informative references . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10 > Authors' Addresses . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10 > Intellectual Property and Copyright Statements . . . . . . . . 12 >=20 > Please indent Section 7.1. and 7.2. Also Intellectual Property,=20 > Disclaimer of Validity, Copyright, etc. are separate sections.=20 >=20 > 1. Introduction >=20 > "This document defines a mechanism that allows the access network to > provide identity selection hints, and more specifically information > about its roaming relationships, to an EAP peer." >=20 > -> >=20 > "The Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP) is defined in=20 > [RFC3748].=20 > This document defines a mechanism that allows the access network to > provide identity selection hints, including information > about its roaming relationships, to an EAP peer." >=20 > [DONE] >=20 > " In many roaming situations, an access network can have several > roaming relationships, either with several home networks, or > mediating networks such as roaming consortiums and brokers, or both." >=20 > ->=20 >=20 > " In many roaming situations, an access network can have several > roaming relationships, either with several home networks, or with > mediating networks such as roaming consortiums and brokers, or both." >=20 > [DONE] >=20 > " One possible application for this mechanism is to help in selecting > what kind of NAI decoration [rfc2486bis] must be applied to allow > proper routing of AAA messages to the home AAA server. If there are > several possible mediating networks, the peer can choose which one to > use. However, exactly how the selection is made is beyond the scope > of this document. See [netsel-problem] for more detailed discussion > about this problem space." >=20 > The terms NAI, NAI decoration and NAI realm are not defined in the > document.=20 > I think you need to define these terms or reference a definition > somewhere > else. Perhaps in a terminology section? >=20 > [DONE] >=20 > " The appendix in > section 6 describes the delivery options that can be implemented by > an access network to deliver identity hint information to an EAP > peer." >=20 > ->=20 >=20 > " Appendix A describes the delivery options that can be implemented by > an access network to deliver identity hint information to an EAP > peer." >=20 > [DONE] >=20 >=20 > Section 2 >=20 > Delete the extra line break prior to Section 2. >=20 > [DONE] >=20 > Change "EAP Identity/Request" to "EAP-Request/Identity" and > "EAP IdentityResponse" to "EAP-Response/Identity" everywhere in the > document.=20 >=20 > [DONE] >=20 > " If after the EAP server sends an EAP Identity/Request containing an > identity hint, the peer responds with an EAP Identity/Response > containing an unacceptable NAI Realm, then the EAP server MAY respond > immediately with an EAP Failure packet, or it MAY first send an > EAP-Notification providing information on the reason for the failure." >=20 > -> >=20 > " If after the EAP server sends an EAP-Request/Identity containing an > identity hint, the peer responds with an EAP-Response/Identity > containing an unacceptable NAI realm, then the EAP server MAY respond > immediately with an EAP Failure packet, or it MAY first send an > EAP-Notification providing the reason for the failure." >=20 > [DONE] >=20 > " EAP does not support fragmentation for Identity/Request messages, so > the size of identity hint information is limited by the link MTU. > The exact limit depends on the lower layer in question, but it is at > least 1020 octets." >=20 > -> >=20 > "As noted in [RFC3748], Section 3.1, the minimum EAP MTU size is 1020=20 > octets. EAP does not support fragmentation of EAP-Request/Identity > messages, so > that the maximum length of the identity hint information is limited > by the link MTU." >=20 > [DONE] >=20 > Section 2.1 >=20 > "defines a "NAIRealms" attribute" -> "defines an NAIRealms attribute" >=20 > [DONE] >=20 > Section 4 >=20 > " Identity hint information is delivered inside an EAP=20 > Identity Request > before the user authenticates to the network, and before the network > is authenticated to the user. This information can be modified by an > attacker. Therefore, it MUST be considered an unauthenticated hint." >=20 > ->=20 >=20 > " Identity hint information is delivered inside an=20 > EAP-Request/Identity > before the authentication conversation begins, and therefore can=20 > be modified by an attacker. The NAIRealms attribute therefore MUST > be treated as a hint by the peer.=20 >=20 > [DONE] >=20 > " Unauthenticated hints may result in peers inadvertently revealing > other or additional identities than they intended to, leading to a > privacy vulnerability. Note that in EAP, the identity the peer wants > to use is in general carried in a cleartext message, so this is only > a variation of an existing vulnerability. Method-specific identity > protection is one of the ways that this vulnerability can be > addressed. >=20 > Similarly, in a situation where the peer has multiple identities to > choose from, an unauthenticated hint can lead to a situation where an > attacker convinces the peer to choose an identifier that is bound to > the weakest EAP method. To guard against this vulnerability, the use > of as strong EAP methods as possible is recommended. Note that this > vulnerability is similar to an existing vulnerability where link > layers advertise network names (such as 802.11 SSIDs) without > authenticating these advertisements either at all or only at the end > of the authentication process. >=20 > In case the identity hint information is used to select a mediating > network for NAI decoration, it should be noted that at least with > some EAP methods, there is no way for the home network AAA server to > verify that the mediating network used was actually the same one that > the peer had requested." >=20 > -> >=20 > " Unauthenticated hints may result in peers inadvertently revealing > additional identities, compromising privacy. Since the EAP-Response/ > Identity is sent in the clear, this vulnerability already exists.=20 > This vulnerability can be addressed via method-specific identity > exchanges. >=20 > Similarly, in a situation where the peer has multiple identities to > choose from, an attacker can use a forged hint to convince the=20 > peer to choose an identity bound to a weak EAP method. Requiring > the use of strong EAP methods can protect against this. A similar > issue already exists with respect to unprotected link layer > advertisements such as 802.11 SSIDs.=20 >=20 > Where the identity hint is used to select a mediating > network, with existing EAP methods there may not be a way for the=20 > home AAA server to verify that the mediating network selected by > the peer was actually used." >=20 > [DONE] >=20 > Proposed Resolution: Discuss > Issue 281: Backward compatibility problem > Submitter name: Bernard Aboba > Submitter email address: aboba@internaut.com > Date first submitted: 11/16/2004 > Reference:=20 > Document: IDSEL-05 > Comment type: T > Priority: S > Section: 2.1 > Rationale/Explanation of issue > I think that there is a problem with the ABNF defined in Section 2.1. > identity-request-data =3D [ displayable-string ] > [ %x00 "NAIRealms=3D" realm-list ] > displayable-string =3D *OCTET > realm-list =3D realm / > ( realm-list ";" realm ) > Section 2.1 states:=20 > "Some existing systems are known to use EAP Identity/Request messages > to send proprietary information to the peer. This proprietary > information is considered to be part of the displayable-string in the > ABNF shown above. In other words, the NUL character followed by the > NAIRealms list MUST be placed at the end." >=20 > Actually, existing implementations may send information such as the > NAS-Identity > *after* the NUL character. Requiring the NAIRealms list to be sent=20 > first is therefore not backward compatible with existing > implementations.=20 > I'd suggest that you need to change the ABNF to enable the NAI-Realms > attribute to be=20 > separated from the NUL character by text other than the attribute > separator=20 > used by existing implementations.=20 > [BA] Actually, I've rechecked the traces of existing implementations, > and in > the cases I've looked at there is no NUL character. So this may not be > an > issue after all. >=20 > Can vendors who send info in the EAP-Request/Identity verify=20 > that a NUL > character is never sent? > [BA] I have now captured a trace of an Access Point using a NULL > character within the EAP-Request/Identity.=20 > The dump below is in hex, the decode is in decimal. A JPG=20 > screen capture > (from Airopeek) is available at:=20 > http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapreq.jpg >=20 > 01 37 00 36 01 00 6E 65 74 77 6F 72 .7.6..networ > 6B 69 64 3D 4D 53 46 54 57 4C 41 4E 2C 6E 61 73 kid=3DMSFTWLAN,nas > 69 64 3D 43 55 53 52 45 44 30 34 30 43 33 34 32 id=3DCUSRED040C342 > 30 2C 70 6F 72 74 69 64 3D 30 00 00 00 00 0,portid=3D0 >=20 > Here is a decode of the above EAP packet:=20 >=20 > Code: 1 (Request, one octet) > Identifier: 55 (one octet) > Length: 54 (two octets) > Type: 1 (Identity, one octet) > Type-Data:=20 > NULL (one octet) > networkid=3DMSFTWLAN,nasid=3DCUSRED040C3420,portid=3D0 > NULLs (4 octets) >=20 > There are a number of issues brought up by this trace:=20 >=20 > a. Existing implementations place data after the NULL character within > the EAP-Request/Identity packet.=20 > b. There can be multiple NULL characters in the EAP-Request/Identity > packet. In this particular trace,=20 > there is one at the beginning of the Type-Data field, and=20 > four NULLs at > the end.=20 > c. Existing access points place the "networkid" string first in the > packet, with the nasid and portid=20 > strings second and third. > d. The comma is used as a field separator.=20 > [Farid Adrangi]=20 > Section 2.1 says: > " > Some existing systems are known to use=20 > EAP-Request/Identity messages > to send proprietary information to the peer. This proprietary > information is considered to be part of the=20 > displayable-string in the > ABNF shown above. In other words, the NUL character=20 > followed by the > NAIRealms list MUST be placed at the end. > " >=20 > Please note the last sentence. This means that the client can always > start at the end of the string and extract realms until it=20 > encounters a > "\0NAIRealms=3D3D". Does this make sense? Or am I missing your point = =3D > here? > [Bernard Aboba]=20 > I think you're proposing that a NULL be used as a separator. Given > current practice, I'm not sure why this is necessary. Is=20 > there a reason > why an implementation couldn't just parse the data after a=20 > NULL and look > for "NAIRealms=3D" and then check whether the previous character was a > NULL > or a comma? This seems simple enough, and it would be interoperable > with > existing implementations. > [Farid Adrangi]=20 > I agree with you that the current restriction of placing NAIRealms at > the end is not necessary. At the same time, I am not clear what > practical benefit your suggested grammar brings. And also, I am not > clear why the current grammar breaks interoperability with existing > implementation, and why it is not simple enough! Please=20 > note that one > advantage of the current grammar is that it provides an=20 > unambiguous way > to handle the case where the proprietary data for some reason includes > the string "\0NAIRealms=3D3D". =3D20 >=20 >=20 > Anyhow, going forward, I see two options: >=20 > 1) Leave the ABNF as it is, and make the following clarification > (enclosed in **) to the last paragraph in 2.1: >=20 > Some existing systems are known to use EAP-Request/Identity=20 > messages to > send proprietary information to the peer. This proprietary=20 > information > is considered to be part of the displayable-string *(which can contain > any octets including NULs)* in the ABNF shown above. In other words, > the NUL character followed by the NAIRealms list MUST be placed at the > end. =3D20 >=20 > 2) Modify the grammar to allow the NAIRealms to be placed=20 > anywhere after > displayable message. >=20 > My preference is (1). It would also be nice to know other people's > opinion on this.=20 > [Bernard Aboba]=20 > > I agree with you that the current restriction of placing=20 > NAIRealms at > > the end is not necessary. At the same time, I am not clear what > > practical benefit your suggested grammar brings. >=20 > The "suggested grammar" is already in use, so this isn't a > greenfield design. Unless there is a good reason, why are we > changing the separator from a comma to a NULL character? It=20 > seems quite > unusual to use the NULL character this way. >=20 > > advantage of the current grammar is that it provides an unambiguous > way > > to handle the case where the proprietary data for some=20 > reason includes > > the string "\0NAIRealms=3D". >=20 > To my knowledge, no existing implementation utilizes the "NAIRealms" > string, so I'm not sure why an ambiguity would exist, except perhaps > that the existing "networkid" string already serves a similar=20 > function. > However, since this is typically used to advertise a flat name such as > an > SSID rather than an FQDN, I don't think this overlaps with=20 > the proposed > "NAIRealms" functionality. >=20 > > Anyhow, going forward, I see two options: > > > > 1) Leave the ABNF as it is, and make the following clarification > > (enclosed in **) to the last paragraph in 2.1: > > > > Some existing systems are known to use EAP-Request/Identity messages > to > > send proprietary information to the peer. This proprietary > information > > is considered to be part of the displayable-string *(which=20 > can contain > > any octets including NULs)* in the ABNF shown above. In=20 > other words, > > the NUL character followed by the NAIRealms list MUST be=20 > placed at the > > end. >=20 > I think this part of the spec is in conflict with RFC 3748=20 > Section 5.1: >=20 > This field MAY contain a displayable message in the Request, > containing UTF-8 encoded ISO 10646 characters [RFC2279]. Where > the Request contains a null, only the portion of the field prior > to the null is displayed. >=20 > So RFC 3748 seems to imply that the "displayable string" is=20 > the portion > prior to the first null, not that portion prior to the last null. > That's > how current implementations operate anyway, and I don't think it's > appropriate for this specification to modify that. >=20 > > 2) Modify the grammar to allow the NAIRealms to be placed anywhere > after > > displayable message. >=20 > I'd prefer this. It's more consistent with RFC 3748, as well as > existing > implementations. > [Jari Arkko]=20 > >> 2) Modify the grammar to allow the NAIRealms to be placed=20 > >> anywhere after displayable message. > > > > I'd prefer this. It's more consistent with RFC 3748, as well=20 > > as existing implementations. >=20 > I would prefer #2 as well. >=20 > > identity-request-data =3D [ displayable-string ] %0x00 [=20 > Network-Info ] >=20 > >=20 > > displayable-string =3D *CHAR > >=20 > > Network-Info =3D *OCTET ["," "NAIRealms=3D" realm-list "," = ] > *OCTET >=20 > The general approach is correct, but I'd prefer making the > NAIRealms data start with either directly after the NUL character > or after a comma -- not always with a comma. How about this: >=20 > Network-Info =3D "NAIRealms=3D" realm-list > Network-Info =3D/ 1*OCTET ",NAIRealms=3D" realm-list > Network-Info =3D/ "NAIRealms=3D" realm-list "," 1*OCTET > Network-Info =3D/ 1*OCTET ",NAIRealms=3D" realm-list "," 1*OCTET >=20 > Note that this still allows multiple %0x00's to be present > at various places. For instance, the following would all be > legal >=20 > foo\0NAIRealms=3Dsnaap.com > bar\0NAIRealms=3Dfryyp.com\0\0\0\0 > foobar\0\0\0\0,NAIRealms=3Dexample.com > \0APQuality=3D0,NAIRealms=3Darkko.com >=20 > > realm-list =3D realm / > > ( realm-list ";" realm ) > >=20 > > The "OCTET" and "CHAR" rules are defined in [RFC2234] and=20 > the "realm" > > rule is defined in [rfc2486bis]. > >=20 > > A sample hex dump of an EAP-Request/Identity packet is shown below. > >=20 > > 01 ; Code: Request > > 00 ; Identifier: 0 > > 00 43 ; Length: 67 octets > > 01 ; Type: Identity > > 48 65 6c 6c 6f 00 2C 4e ; > "Hello\0,NAIRealms=3Dexample.com;mnc014. > > 41 49 52 65 61 6c 6d 73 ; mcc310.3gppnetwork.org," > > 3d 69 73 70 2e 65 78 61 > > 6d 70 6c 65 2e 63 6f 6d > > 3b 6d 6e 63 30 31 34 2e > > 6d 63 63 33 31 30 2e 33 > > 67 70 70 6e 65 74 77 6f > > 72 6b 2e 6f 72 67 2C >=20 > Ok otherwise but I'd prefer getting rid of the "," after > "\0". >=20 > > The Network-Info can contain NAIRealms list in addition to=20 > proprietary > > information. The proprietary information can be placed=20 > before or after > > NAIRealms list. To extract NAIRelams list, an implementation can > parse > > the data after a NUL and look for "NAIRealms=3D" and then=20 > check whether > > the previous character was a comma. Once "NAIRealms=3D" immediately > > followed by a comma is found, the implementation can read the realms > > until it encounters a comma character. >=20 > Slightly revised: >=20 > The Network-Info can contain NAIRealms list in addition to > proprietary > information. The proprietary information can be placed before or > after > NAIRealms list. To extract NAIRelams list, an=20 > implementation either > finds the "NAIRealms=3D" immediately after the NUL or seeks=20 > forward to > find ",NAIRealms" somewhere in the string. The realms data ends > either > at first "," or at the end of the string, whichever comes first. > Proposed Resolution: Accept >=20 > [DONE] >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: eap-admin@frascone.com [mailto:eap-admin@frascone.com] On Behalf > Of Adrangi, Farid > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 10:26 AM > To: Bernard Aboba > Cc: eap@frascone.com; jari.arkko@piuha.net; Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com; > Lortz, Victor > Subject: [eap] Eap-discovery -- issues 280 and 281 >=20 > Hi Bernard, > Version -07 > (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-adrangi-eap-network -discovery -07.txt) includes resolutions for issues 280 and 281. These issues have not yet been closed in http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues.html. Please confirm the resolutions and close these issues so we can proceed with this draft. If you think the issues have not been completely addressed in version -07, please let us know ASAP. Your prompt response is appreciated. 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Changes were made "verbatim" per your suggestions. Please point out ASAP exactly what was not covered per your suggestion for issue 280. Best Regards Farooq -----Original Message----- From: eap-admin@frascone.com [mailto:eap-admin@frascone.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Aboba Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 9:10 AM To: Adrangi, Farid Cc: eap@frascone.com; jari.arkko@piuha.net; Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com; Lortz, Victor Subject: [eap] Re: Eap-discovery -- issues 280 and 281 I've marked Issue 281 as closed. However, I've looked at Issue 280, and it appears that many of the changes weren't made. On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Adrangi, Farid wrote: > Hi Bernard, > Version -07 > (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-adrangi-eap-network-discovery > -07.txt) includes resolutions for issues 280 and 281. These issues have > not yet been closed in http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues.html. > Please confirm the resolutions and close these issues so we can proceed > with this draft. 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JoJo Lee.Taylor, Account Manager MFD Marketing 3043 Daley Avenue New Haven, CT 06501 not interested -> http://www.xmassavings.com/x/st.html ----734510_91710936.Ym58-- From eap-admin@frascone.com Thu Dec 30 14:27:09 2004 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA08469 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:27:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B0731FE41; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:27:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA741FF21; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:27:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6101FE41 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:26:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D95F1FDF1 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:26:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from c-67-182-139-247.client.comcast.net ([67.182.139.247] helo=internaut.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.42) id 1Ck5wE-000E7Z-N6 for eap@frascone.com; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:26:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id iBUJQLW13010 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:26:21 -0800 From: Bernard Aboba To: eap@frascone.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS.org X-Originating-IP: 67.182.139.247 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.org (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: aboba X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Subject: [eap] Review of draft-clancy-eap-pax-01.txt Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:26:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Note: This is not an RFC 3748 compliance review, just my personal comments on the spec. Abstract: "avoids intellectual property rights associated with competing EAP methods." This could be misconstrued as providing legal advice. I'd rework or delete it. "PAX_IDP is a variant that additionally provides identity protection, and requires a server-side certificate." Later on (in Section 4.1) it says: " Use of self-signed certificates with client-side SSH-style caching is only suggested if identity protection is required and a PKI is infeasible. When identity protection is not used, self-signed certificates provide no additional security over no signatures at all." I'd move that material up to the front so that the server-side certificate "requirement" is clearer. Section 1 " While the preferred mode of operation is for the server to have a certificate it can supply to the client when a weak key is being used, the protocol supports a purely symmetric-key mode of operation when identity protection is not required. " Same comment as in the abstract, relating to the use of self-signed certs as described in Section 4.1. " EAP-PAX includes built-in key management features, resistance to dictionary attacks, and avoids intellectual property issues associated with protocols such as EKE [BM92], SPEKE [Jab96], and SRP [RFC2945]. " Again, this statement might be construed as providing legal advice. I'd rework or delete it. Section 2.1 " The full protocol, when server-side certificates are used is as follows: o PAX_STD-1 : client <- server : A, SID, PK, CertPK o PAX_STD-2 : client -> server : Enc_PK( B, MAC_CK( A, B, CID, SID )) o PAX_STD-3 : client <- server : MAC_CK( B, CID, SID ) o PAX-ACK : client -> server" Some comments: a. This protocol would also work without a server-side certificate, although that would introduce an initial active man-in-the-middle vulnerability. b. It seems like this protocol doesn't send the client id at all (just a MAC computed over it). Or am I missing something? " When not performing an initial key update, where server-side certificates can be omitted, the protocol reduces to: o PAX_STD-1 : client <- server : A, SID o PAX_STD-2 : client -> server : B, MAC_CK( A, B, CID, SID ) o PAX_STD-3 : client <- server : MAC_CK( B, CID, SID ) o PAX-ACK : client -> server" Here it appears that the client identity is not sent at all, only the server identity, correct? I'm a bit confused by this, since A & B are new fresh values, right? It would therefore seem like there is no session-id to identify the previously provisioned key. Also, are A & B being used to refresh the master key as in TLS? It seems like they are, given the statement in 4.3.10: " Session keys are independently generated using fresh nonces for each session, and therefore the sessions are independent." General question: How are the keys created by the protocol identified? For example, what constitutes an EAP session-id within this protocol? Section 2.2 " o PAX_IDP-1 : client <- server : M, SID, PK, CertPK o PAX_IDP-2 : client -> server : Enc_PK( M, N, CID ) o PAX_IDP-3 : client <- server : A, MAC_N( A, CID, SID ) o PAX_IDP-4 : client -> server : B, MAC_CK( A, B, CID, SID )" Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how PAX_IDP provides more identity protection than PAX_STD in the key update mode. Both protocols send the serverid in the clear and can encrypt the clientid. Or is the difference when the initial key update is not being performed? Since PAX_STD doesn't send the clientid there either, I'm not sure what the difference is. Section 2.4 " PAX_STD-1/PAX_IDP-1 -> Client : If a public key and certificate are included, the client SHOULD either compare the public key to a locally cached copy or use the certificate authority's public key to validate the server's public key and certificate. If this validation fails, and the client's security policy prohibits the use of a non-verifiable certificate, then the client MUST send an EAP-Failure message." So presumably the certificate could be self-signed, or even omitted altogether (just the PK being sent). " PAX_STD-2 -> Server : After possibly decrypting the packet, the server MUST validate the included MAC. This MAC serves to authenticate the client to the server. If this validation fails, the server MUST send an EAP-Failure message." Not sure how this works since neither a clientid nor a sessionid is included in the PAX_STD-2 message. So how does the server validate the included MAC? " PAX_IDP-2 -> Server : The server MUST verify that the decrypted value of M matches the value transmitted in PAX_IDP-1. If this validation fails, the server MUST send an EAP-Failure message." I think you want to include a definition of M in the terminology section. Section 3.1.4 Are only DH Group IDs defined? For example, is it possible for this protocol to support elliptic curve? Section 4.1 " Since many vendors are leery of establishing a public key infrastructure (PKI), or the client-side computation power needed to implement them, some discussion is required with respect to the PKI requirements of this protocol. First of all, realize that only the server needs a public key. The client is authenticated based on the shared secret, not a key pair. This should make deployment significantly easier." Since EAP methods requiring a server-side certificates are already widely deployed, it seems like the primary unfilled need is for a protocol that does not require certificates on either the client or the server. The client-side computation power issue will arise I think because of the requirement for a 3072-bit MODP group. This might be ok within an initial provisioning phase, but there are embedded devices (such as phones) that may want identity protection, and requiring this on every authentication would be a problem. "The only other possibility is to use an aliasing scheme where users are given new usernames after every successful authentication--generally considered a fragile approach, prone to synchronization problems." I think there is a distinction between a new username and a sessionid. Sessionids are widely used to identify keys (e.g. in TLS) and to my knowledge have not been shown to be prone to synchronization problems. " When using cached self-signed certificates in PAX_IDP, realize that clients have no way to authenticate the authenticator before sending them their identity. An attacker could impersonate an authenticator and gain knowledge of the client's identity. In a roaming wireless environment, this attack becomes much easier since the client could possibly interact with multiple authentication servers. Provided a client positively knows they will only interact with one backend authentication server, even when roaming a self-signed, cached certificate approach may be sufficient, depending on one's threat model." As noted earlier, I'm not sure where the clientid is sent in PAX_IDP. Might this vulnerability be reduced via use of a session-id? " In short, in identity protection mode, certificates are required, and use of cached self-signed certificates can lead to man-in-the-middle attacks the first time a client interacts with a particular authenticator. " It seems to me that the first-time vulnerability is not as serious as the vulnerability occurring during a subsequent key update. Presumably the initial provisioning can be handled by IT staff, but the user has to deal with the subsequent key update, and is presumably much less knowledgeable/trustworthy. Section 4.3.9 " While a specific fast reconnection option is not included, execution of EAP-PAX requires such minimal effort that the time required to perform a full reauthentication is not prohibitive." Not sure this is true for the case where identity protection is required and a 3072-bit MODP group is used on every authentication. _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Thu Dec 30 14:33:09 2004 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA08864 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DEA20376; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:33:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE5D2036E; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:33:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE5DD202B2 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:32:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D50D1FF21 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:32:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from c-67-182-139-247.client.comcast.net ([67.182.139.247] helo=internaut.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.42) id 1Ck625-000Isq-Fr for eap@frascone.com; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:32:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id iBUJWO813469 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:32:24 -0800 From: Bernard Aboba To: eap@frascone.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS.org X-Originating-IP: 67.182.139.247 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.org (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: aboba X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Subject: [eap] Request to advance "EAP State Machine" specification (fwd) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:32:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:29:31 -0800 (PST) From: Bernard Aboba To: iesg@ietf.org Cc: ietf-secretary@ietf.org, Jari Arkko Subject: Request to advance "EAP State Machine" specification The EAP WG has completed WG last call on the "EAP State Machine" document, and last call comments have now been resolved and incorporated into a new version, available for inspection here: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-eap-statemachine-06.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-eap-statemachine-06.pdf Two comments were submitted during EAP WG last call, issues 268 and 282. Issue 282 was resolved and incorporated in the -06 version of the document; Issue 268 was rejected. These and other issues filed against the state machine document, are available for inspection here: http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues.html Since all WG last call issues are now resolved, the EAP WG would like to request that the document draft-ietf-eap-statemachine-06.{txt, pdf} be published as an Informational RFC. Both EAP WG chairs (Jari Arkko and myself) have read the document, and approve of its publication. The document is not controversial and an appeal is not expected. _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Thu Dec 30 14:34:11 2004 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA09037 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:34:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0576F20372; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:34:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B25C20378; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:34:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246C020371 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:33:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0336520378 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from c-67-182-139-247.client.comcast.net ([67.182.139.247] helo=internaut.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.42) id 1Ck62m-000JJh-Vo for eap@frascone.com; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:33:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id iBUJX7M13505 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:33:08 -0800 From: Bernard Aboba To: eap@frascone.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS.org X-Originating-IP: 67.182.139.247 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.org (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: aboba X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Subject: [eap] EAP WG Review of draft-adrangi-eap-network-discovery-07.txt (fwd) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:33:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 00:14:13 -0800 (PST) From: Bernard Aboba To: iesg@ietf.org Cc: Jari Arkko Subject: EAP WG Review of draft-adrangi-eap-network-discovery-07.txt At this point, the EAP WG has completed its review of draft-adrangi-eap-network-discovery-07.txt. The document describes a mechanism by which "Identity Selection hints" may be communicated to an EAP peer, helping it to select an appropriate Network Access Identifier (NAI). This mechanism is useful not only for wireless LAN roaming (the target application) but also in other applications such as wired network authentication where link layer identity hints may not be available. The document has gone through two "pseudo-WG last calls" during which a number of issues were brought up and subsequently resolved. The document was also reviewed by IEEE 802.11u. A summary of the issues that were raised and resolved (including Issues 256, 271, 280 and 281) can be found on the EAP Issues List: http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/EAP/eapissues.html Both EAP WG chairs (Jari and myself) have read the document, and approve of its publication. Discussion on the document was not contentious and an appeal is not expected. However, it is worth noting that IPR has been asserted with respect to the document: http://www.ietf.org/ietf/IPR/telecom-italia-ipr-wlan-access.txt In terms of existing usage, the mechanism described in this document for communication of hints (NUL separator after the displayable message within an EAP-Request/Identity) is described in RFC 3748, and has been implemented in shipping products, although not for the purpose described in the document. The ABNF within the specification has been reviewed for backward compatibility with existing practice. Given that EAP WG review has been completed on the document, we recommend that the IESG approve the document for publication as an Informational RFC via the individual submission route. Note that the document has a normative dependence on RFC 2486bis (draft-ietf-radext-rfc2486bis-02.txt) which has recently gone to IETF last call. _______________________________________________ eap mailing list eap@frascone.com http://mail.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap From eap-admin@frascone.com Thu Dec 30 17:40:11 2004 Received: from mail.frascone.com (postfix@frascone.com [204.49.99.9]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA23858 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:40:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C34320383; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:40:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from xavier (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E412037C; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:40:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: eap@frascone.com Delivered-To: eap@frascone.com Received: from localhost (xavier [127.0.0.1]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CE220375 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by mail.frascone.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B75D20253 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:39:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from c-67-182-139-247.client.comcast.net ([67.182.139.247] helo=internaut.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.42) id 1Ck8x2-000LFo-8N for eap@frascone.com; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:39:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (aboba@localhost) by internaut.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id iBUMdM824932 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:39:23 -0800 From: Bernard Aboba To: eap@frascone.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS.org X-Originating-IP: 67.182.139.247 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.org (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: aboba X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) Subject: [eap] EAP WG Review of draft-adrangi-eap-network-discovery-07.txt (fwd) Sender: eap-admin@frascone.com Errors-To: eap-admin@frascone.com X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:39:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 (frascone.com) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:12:24 -0500 From: via RT Cc: aboba@internaut.com, margaret@thingmagic.com Subject: [Inquiry #29152] Fwd: EAP WG Review of draft-adrangi-eap-network-discovery-07.txt Dear Bernard: Your request to publish I-D draft-adrangi-eap-network-discovery-07.txt as an Informational RFC has been received. 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