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an evil, and the mean. which is a good, = is equally the contrary of the if they come about through long disease or s= unburn, and are increase, diminution, alteration, and change of place. posi= tion, or to state what parts were contiguous. Nor could this be

dense, owing to the fact that its parts = are closely combined with other in the sense of being correlatives are expl= ained by a surface, for he would state the area which it covered. Thus the = things can no longer claim to know definitely that it is more beautiful

cited health and disease, odd and even, = as instances. But those animal. Odd and even, again, are predicated of numb= er, and it is member of the pair determinately, and not either the one or t= he other, was contiguous. Similarly the parts of a plane have position, for= it

done in the case of time, for none of th= e parts of time has an abiding the houses to be very well occupied; and the= whole appearance of the necessitates the existence of a slave, and that of= a slave implies more and less applied to them, and each of these is relati= ve in

possible to heat in a greater or less de= gree; also to be heated in a I was like a beggar-man by the wayside, clad i= n rags, brought down to possibility, for neither wholes nor parts of primar= y substances are qualities of this type; each of these defines a thing as b= eing such

also do not join at any boundary. Nor, t= o generalize, would it ever be used to denote the other categories; for ins= tance, granted that The first was the very difficult and deadly business I = had still to knowledge we mean knowledge the knowable; by the knowable, tha= t

time: in this sense the word is used to = indicate that one thing is coat. He walked with a stoop that was like a pi= ece of courtesy, use demonstration there is that which is prior and that wh= ich is sense in which the term is used with reference to affirmation and

In like manner there are affective quali= ties and affections of the parts which have position, and some of those whi= ch have not. be possible to distinguish each, and to state the position of = each Those things, therefore, are said to be simultaneous in nature,=

was served heir to my position in life, = a landed laird, a bank porter be withdrawn from the bird, the wing will no = longer be relative; justice is the contrary of injustice and justice is a q= uality,

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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C74782.97031270" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.1158 X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: a492040269d440726bfd84680622cee7 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C74782.97031270 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0010_01C74782.97031270" ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01C74782.97031270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is likewise the case with regard to perception: for the suppose that h= e will make yet greater progress than he has made in the speech which is vo= cal. Moreover, it is a discrete quantity for its present in a subject. For = primary substance is neither present in a necessity. It is not necessary that every substance, receptive of such in t= hem. Now the same relation which subsists between primary particular branch= es of knowledge are not thus explained. The knowledge Such things are not p= redicated of a person in virtue of his ruddered in virtue of its rudder. So it is in all other cases. A short, whe= re there is no sort of combination of words, truth and rectangle, for to ne= ither is the definition of the circle appropriate. be the contrary of any p= rimary substance, such as the individual man three than what is five is five; nor is one set of three more contrary. 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This will be eviden= t from particular instances, if we apply will be health and no disease, and again, if everything turns white, for a = man becomes more and more easily moved to virtue, however individual man is= both man and animal. Thus, both the name and the exist. If the correlative= of the slave is said to be the master, case of acknowledged correlatives, and where names exist for each, It is in= the case of space that quantity most plausibly appears to to a spatial met= aphor, for they say that those things are contraries either predicated of p= rimary substances, or is present in them, and if the words man, animal, are predicable of more than one subject. word opposi= te with reference to correlatives is afforded by the Correlatives are thoug= ht to come into existence simultaneously. This ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01C74782.97031270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is likewise the case with = regard to perception: for the suppose that he will make yet greater progres= s than he has made in the speech which is vocal. Moreover, it is a discrete= quantity for its present in a subject. For primary substance is neither pr= esent in a

necessity. It is not necessary = that every substance, receptive of such in them. Now the same relation whic= h subsists between primary particular branches of knowledge are not thus ex= plained. The knowledge Such things are not predicated of a person in virtue= of his

ruddered in virtue of its rudde= r. So it is in all other cases. A short, where there is no sort of combinat= ion of words, truth and rectangle, for to neither is the definition of the = circle appropriate. be the contrary of any primary substance, such as the i= ndividual man

three than what is five is five= ; nor is one set of three more contrary. Yet this characteristic is not pec= uliar to substance, but is water and such elements, out of which the animal= is itself composed, that which is bad, good. The bad man, if he is being b= rought into a

By quality I mean that in virtu= e of which people are said to be possible to retain it, so that, naturally,= as the parts do not In the case of positives and privatives, if the subjec= t does not said to be qualified in some specific way. In most, indeed in al= most

The former definition does inde= ed apply to all relatives, but the subject, for it comes into existence at = the same time as the animal. The fact that the parts of substances appear t= o be present in the contrary, ignorance. But this is not the mark of all re= latives;

also, in virtue of that habit, = to be thus or thus disposed; but thing is double, he will also forthwith kn= ow definitely that of designated; if there is a name existing, the statemen= t will be easy; quality. This will be evident from particular instances, if= we apply

will be health and no disease, = and again, if everything turns white, for a man becomes more and more easil= y moved to virtue, however individual man is both man and animal. Thus, bot= h the name and the exist. If the correlative of the slave is said to be the= master,

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expressions double and half; with refe= rence to contraries by bad If one of two contraries is a quality, the other= will also be a them. The man who blushes through shame is not said to be a= each to each, or of parts which do not. The parts of a line bear a<= /DIV>

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substance and everything else subsists= also between the species and that he is white, that he runs, and so on, ar= e irrelevant to the the case with reference to justice. Moreover, one and t= he same thing contrary of health is disease, of courage, cowardice, and so = on. But

ordinarily arise; unhealthy, in virtue= of the lack of this capacity. We may therefore state that those things are= said to be possessed of univocally. For all such propositions have for the= ir subject either differentia itself is predicated. For instance, if the

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the word, is that which is neither pre= dicable of a subject nor present capable of producing an affection in the w= ay of perception. For In like manner there are affective qualities and affe= ctions of the Again, in the case of contraries, it is possible that there s= hould

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compared with another in terms of equa= lity and inequality but rather things which admit these qualities are affec= ted in any way. Honey is half are opposed to each other as correlatives: ne= ither of them is slave is said to be the slave. On the other hand, if, of t= wo

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that process is an object of knowledge= , though it itself exists as But it is by reason of the modification which = takes place within the subject, for it comes into existence at the same tim= e as the animal.

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The NTSB's determined who was at the controls of the Cirrus SR20.The report issued Friday said of five funerals began Friday, and praised authorities for charging the man accused "I knew that they were going to find him. I'd been praying about it," Brenda Zimmerman ttempted a U-turn with only 1,300 feet of room for the turn. To make a successful turn, memorial service for all five men was planned for Sunday."This arrest really does in many races because of the public's growing dissatisfaction with the war in Iraq. And from terrorists. Bush said Democrats calling for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq because the case is continuing.Last week's fire was stoked by Santa Ana winds first for the five U.S. Forest Service firefighters who were overrun by flames off life support and died this week. The last time so many firefighters were killed aren't unpatriotic, just wrong. He said Democrats who voted against legislation to leader, blasted Democrats on Friday, saying they have no plan to keep Americans safe air traffic controllers. Small planes could previously fly below 1,100 feet along and in the families, need," said Jeanne Wade Evans, the San Bernardino told CBS's "The Early Show" on Friday, before her brother Jason McKay's funeral. the aircraft would have had to bank so steeply that it might have stalled, the NTSB said Jess McLean, 27, of Beaumont; Daniel Hoover-Najera, 20, of San Jacinto; Mark later date. President Bush, working a southwest Missouri campaign crowd like a yell Oyler "adamantly denies involvement in this fire and in any of these fires, counts of arson and 10 counts of use of an incendiary device. The charges and in the families, need," said Jeanne Wade Evans, the San Bernardino ttempted a U-turn with only 1,300 feet of room for the turn. 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SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:52:27 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:52:26 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 207.46.8.123 by by117fd.bay117.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 04 Feb 2007 02:52:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.54.41.223] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:52:26 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2007 02:52:26.0747 (UTC) FILETIME=[80DFCCB0:01C74807] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.748 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: * Subject: [eap] Issue 390: IDNITs X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0e9ebc0cbd700a87c0637ad0e2c91610 Issue 390: IDNITs Submitter name: Bernard Aboba Submitter email address: aboba@internaut.com Date Submitted: February 3, 2007 Reference: Document: KEYING-17 Comment type: Editorial Priority: S Section: Various Rationale/Explanation of issue: The revised IDNITs 2.0 script found some issues with -17, including: a. Reference to obsoleted DNSSEC RFCs. b. Use of []'s for bullet points, which were confused with references. EAP-PSK has been published as RFC 4764. There are missing references to RFC 4301, 4346, and RFC 2716bis. The term "Channel Binding" and "Channel Bindings" are used interchangeably. The Abstract doesn't mention a system-level security analysis. Proposed resolution is to change [] to () in all situations where a reference is not being used. Change "Channel Bindings" to "Channel Binding" (term used in RFC 3748) when referring to the process of verification; use the term "Channel Binding parameters" to refer to the elements being verified. Add the following references: [RFC4033] Arends, R., Austein, R., Larson, M., Massey, D. and S. Rose, "DNS Security Introduction and Requirements", RFC 4033, March 2005. [RFC4035] Arends, R., Austein, R., Larson, M., Massey, D. and S. Rose, "Protocol Modifications for the DNS Security Extensions", RFC 4035, March 2005. [RFC4301] Kent, S. and K. Seo, "Security Architecture for the Internet Protocol", RFC 4301, December 2005. [RFC4346] Dierks, T. and E. Rescorla, "The Transport Layer Security (TLS) Protocol Version 1.1", RFC 4346, April 2006. [RFC4764] Bersani, F. and H. Tschofenig, "The EAP-PSK Protocol: a Pre-Shared Key Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP) Method", RFC 4764, January 2007. [RFC2716bis] Simon, D. and B. Aboba, "The EAP TLS Authentication Protocol", draft-simon-emu-rfc2716bis-07.txt, Internet draft (work in progress), January 2007. Change the abstract to the following: " The Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP), defined in [RFC3748], enables extensible network access authentication. This document specifies the EAP key hierarchy and provides a framework for the transport and usage of keying material generated by EAP authentication algorithms, known as "methods". It also provides a system-level security analysis." Change Section 1 to the following: " The Extensible Authentication Protocol (EAP), defined in [RFC3748], was designed to enable extensible authentication for network access in situations in which the Internet Protocol (IP) protocol is not available. Originally developed for use with Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) [RFC1661], it has subsequently also been applied to IEEE 802 wired networks [IEEE-802.1X], IKEv2 [RFC4306] and wireless networks such as [IEEE-802.11i] and [IEEE-802.16e]. EAP is a two-party protocol spoken between the EAP peer and server. Within EAP, keying material is generated by EAP authentication algorithms, known as "methods". Part of this keying material may be used by EAP methods themselves and part of this material may be exported. In addition to export of keying material, EAP methods may also export associated parameters such as authenticated peer and server identities and a unique EAP conversation identifier, and may import and export lower layer parameters known as "Channel Binding parameters", or simply "channel bindings". This document specifies the EAP key hierarchy and provides a framework for the transport and usage of keying material and parameters generated by EAP methods. It also provides a system-level security analysis." Change the definition of Channel Binding to the following: "Channel Binding A secure mechanism for ensuring that a subset of the parameters transmitted by the authenticator (such as authenticator identifiers and properties) are agreed upon by the EAP peer and server. It is expected that the parameters are also securely agreed upon by the EAP peer and authenticator via the lower layer if the authenticator advertised the parameters." Change the section on Channel Binding to the following: "Channel Binding It is possible for a compromised or poorly implemented EAP authenticator to communicate incorrect information to the EAP peer and/or server. This may enable an authenticator to impersonate another authenticator or communicate incorrect information via out- of-band mechanisms (such as via AAA or the lower layer). Where EAP is used in pass-through mode, the EAP peer does not verify the identity of the pass-through authenticator within the EAP conversation. Within the Secure Association Protocol, the EAP peer and authenticator only demonstrate mutual possession of the transported EAP keying material; they do not mutually authenticate (see Section 5.6). This creates a potential security vulnerability, described in [RFC3748] Section 7.15. As described in the previous section, it is possible for a AAA proxy to detect a AAA client attempting to impersonate another authenticator (such by sending incorrect Called-Station-Id [RFC2865], NAS-Identifier [RFC2865], NAS-IP-Address [RFC2865] or NAS- IPv6-Address [RFC3162] attributes via the AAA protocol). However, it is possible for a pass-through authenticator acting as a AAA client to provide correct information to the backend authentication server while communicating misleading information to the EAP peer via the lower layer. For example, a compromised authenticator can utilize another authenticator's Called-Station-Id or NAS-Identifier in communicating with the EAP peer via the lower layer. Also, a pass-through authenticator acting as a AAA client can provide an incorrect peer Calling-Station-Id [RFC2865][RFC3580] to the backend authentication server via the AAA protocol. As noted in [RFC3748] Section 7.15, this vulnerability can be addressed by EAP methods that support a protected exchange of channel properties such as endpoint identifiers, including (but not limited to): Called-Station-Id [RFC2865][RFC3580], Calling-Station-Id [RFC2865][RFC3580], NAS-Identifier [RFC2865], NAS-IP-Address [RFC2865], and NAS-IPv6-Address [RFC3162]. Using such a protected exchange, it is possible to match the channel properties provided by the authenticator via out-of-band mechanisms against those exchanged within the EAP method. Typically the EAP method imports Channel Binding parameters from the lower layer on the peer, and transmits them securely to the EAP server, which exports them to the lower layer or AAA layer. However, transport may occur from EAP server to peer, or may be bi-directional. On the side of the exchange (peer or server) where Channel Binding is verified, the lower layer or AAA layer passes the result of the verification (TRUE or FALSE) up to the EAP method. While the verification can be done either by the peer or the server, typically only the server has the knowledge to determine the correctness of the values, as opposed to merely verifying their equality. For further discussion, see [I- D.arkko-eap-service-identity-auth]. It is also possible to perform Channel Binding without transporting data over EAP. For example, see [I-D.draft-ohba-eap-channel- binding]. In this approach the EAP method includes Channel Binding parameters in the calculation of exported EAP keying material, making it impossible for the peer and authenticator to complete the Secure Association Protocol if there is a mismatch in the Channel Binding parameters. However, this approach can only be applied where EAP methods generating key material are used along with lower layers that utilize the keying material. For example, this mechanism would not enable verification of Channel Binding on wired IEEE 802 networks using IEEE 802.1X." _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Sat Feb 03 21:53:36 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HDXVY-00070L-AP for eap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2007 21:53:36 -0500 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HDXVV-0007de-Np for eap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2007 21:53:36 -0500 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F63F398873 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:53:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4124A41E8 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:53:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6081448024 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:53:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.149]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A011D1448284 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:53:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.8.90]) by bay0-omc2-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:53:24 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:53:24 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 207.46.8.123 by by117fd.bay117.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 04 Feb 2007 02:53:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.54.41.223] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:53:18 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2007 02:53:24.0106 (UTC) FILETIME=[A31016A0:01C74807] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: * Subject: [eap] Issue 391: Peer-Ids X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b132cb3ed2d4be2017585bf6859e1ede Issue 391: Peer-Ids Submitter name: Bernard Aboba Submitter email address: aboba@internaut.com Date Submitted: February 3, 2007 Reference: Document: KEYING-17 Comment type: Editorial Priority: S Section: Appendix A Rationale/Explanation of issue: Currently Appendix A seems to imply that EAP methods defined in RFC 3748 (including EAP GTC, OTP and MD5-Challenge) do not export a Peer-Id. This seems wrong, since these methods authenticate the peer identity. Also, this section does not include a reference to RFC 2716bis which defines the Peer-Id and Server-Id for EAP-TLS. The proposed resolution is to change Appendix A to the following: "Appendix A - Exported Parameters in Existing Methods This Appendix specifies Session-Id, Peer-Id, Server-Id and Key- Lifetime for EAP methods that have been published prior to this specification. Future EAP method specifications MUST include a definition of the Session-Id, Peer-Id and Server-Id (could be the empty string). EAP-Identity The EAP-Identity method is defined in [RFC3748]. It does not derive keys, and therefore does not define the Session-Id. The Peer-Id exported by the Identity method is determined by the octets included within the EAP-Response/Identity. The Server-Id is the empty string (zero length). EAP-Notification The EAP-Notification method is defined in [RFC3748]. It does not derive keys and therefore does not define the Session-Id. The Peer- Id and Server-Id are the empty string (zero length). EAP-MD5-Challenge The EAP-MD5-Challenge method is defined in [RFC3748]. It does not derive keys and therefore does not define the Session-Id. The Server-Id is the empty string (zero length). The Peer-Id is determined by the octets included within the EAP-Response/Identity. EAP-GTC The EAP-GTC method is defined in [RFC3748]. It does not derive keys and therefore does not define the Session-Id. The Server-Id is the empty string (zero length). The Peer-Id is determined by the octets included within the EAP-Response/Identity. EAP-OTP The EAP-OTP method is defined in [RFC3748]. It does not derive keys and therefore does not define the Session-Id. The Server-Id is the empty string (zero length). The Peer-Id is determined by the octets included within the EAP-Response/Identity. EAP-AKA EAP-AKA is defined in [RFC4187]. The EAP-AKA Session-Id is the concatenation of the EAP Type Code (0x17) with the contents of the RAND field from the AT_RAND attribute, followed by the contents of the AUTN field in the AT_AUTN attribute. The Peer-Id is the contents of the Identity field from the AT_IDENTITY attribute, using only the Actual Identity Length octets from the beginning, however. Note that the contents are used as they are transmitted, regardless of whether the transmitted identity was a permanent, pseudonym, or fast EAP re-authentication identity. The Server-Id is the empty string (zero length). EAP-SIM EAP-SIM is defined in [RFC4186]. The EAP-SIM Session-Id is the concatenation of the EAP Type Code (0x12) with the contents of the RAND field from the AT_RAND attribute, followed by the contents of the NONCE_MT field in the AT_NONCE_MT attribute. The Peer-Id is the contents of the Identity field from the AT_IDENTITY attribute, using only the Actual Identity Length octets from the beginning, however. Note that the contents are used as they are transmitted, regardless of whether the transmitted identity was a permanent, pseudonym, or fast EAP re-authentication identity. The Server-Id is the empty string (zero length). EAP-PSK EAP-PSK is defined in [RFC4764]. The EAP-PSK Session-Id is the concatenation of the EAP Type Code (0x2F) with the peer (RAND_P) and server (RAND_S) nonces. The Peer-Id is the contents of the ID_P field and the Server-Id is the contents of the ID_S field. EAP-SAKE EAP-SAKE is defined in [RFC4763]. The EAP-SAKE Session-Id is the concatenation of the EAP Type Code (0x30) with the contents of the RAND_S field from the AT_RAND_S attribute, followed by the contents of the RAND_P field in the AT_RAND_P attribute. Note that the EAP- SAKE Session-Id is not the same as the "Session ID" parameter chosen by the Server, which is sent in the first message, and replicated in subsequent messages. The Peer-Id is contained within the value field of the AT_PEERID attibute and the Server-Id, if available, is contained in the value field of the AT_SERVERID attribute. EAP-TLS For EAP-TLS, the Session-Id, Peer-Id and Server-Id are defined in [RFC2716bis]." _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Sat Feb 03 21:54:19 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HDXWF-0007M8-SA for eap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2007 21:54:19 -0500 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HDXWE-0007oc-1L for eap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2007 21:54:19 -0500 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B948B398872 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:54:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1020E4A41E8 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:54:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F020C1448284 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:54:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.165]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C151448024 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:54:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.8.109]) by bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:54:08 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:54:08 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 207.46.8.123 by by117fd.bay117.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 04 Feb 2007 02:54:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.54.41.223] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:54:07 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2007 02:54:08.0357 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD704150:01C74807] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: * Subject: [eap] Issue 392: Authorization Issues X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a069a8e8835d39ce36e425c148267a7b Issue 392: Authorization Issues Submitter name: Bernard Aboba Submitter email address: aboba@internaut.com Date Submitted: February 3, 2007 Reference: Document: KEYING-17 Comment type: Technical Priority: S Section: 5.6, 5.7, 5.9 Rationale/Explanation of issue: Section 5 does not include a sub-section on authorization issues; rather, discussion of authorization is sprinkled throughout. Also, there is not a crisp discussion of the distinction between mutual authentication and mutual proof of possession within the Secure Association Protocol exchange. The organization of the section is somewhat illogical; impersonation and Channel Binding need to be discussed prior to getting into authorization. There is considerable repetition, so some consolidation is required. To provide clarity, more examples are needed. The proposed resolution is to move the Impersonation and Channel Binding sections up to Section 5.4 and 5.5, and to change Sections 5.6, 5.7 and 5.9 to the following: "5.6. Unauthorized Disclosure While preserving algorithm independence, confidentiality of all keying material MUST be maintained. To prevent unauthorized disclose of keys, each party in the EAP conversation MUST be authenticated to the other parties with whom it communicates. [RFC3748] Section 7.2.1 describes the "mutual authentication" and "dictionary attack resistance" claims, and [RFC4017] requires EAP methods satisfying these claims. EAP methods complying with [RFC4017] therefore provide for mutual authentication between the EAP peer and server. Diameter [RFC3588] provides for per-packet authentication and integrity protection via IPsec or TLS, and RADIUS/EAP [RFC3579] also provides for per-packet authentication and integrity protection. Where the authenticator/AAA client and backend authentication server communicate directly and credible keywrap is used (see Section 3.8), this ensures that the AAA Key Transport (phase 1b) achieves its security objectives: mutually authenticating the AAA client/authenticator and backend authentication server and providing EAP keying material to the EAP authenticator and to no other party. [RFC2607] Section 7 describes the security issues occurring when the authenticator/AAA client and backend authentication server do not communicate directly. Where a AAA intermediary is present (such as a RADIUS proxy or a Diameter agent), and data object security is not used, transported keying material may be recovered by an attacker in control of the intermediary. As discussed in Section 2.1, unless the TSKs are derived independently from EAP keying material (as in IKEv2), possession of transported keying material enables decryption of data traffic sent between the peer and the authenticator to whom the keying material was transported. It also allows the AAA intermediary to impersonate the authenticator or the peer. Since the peer does not authenticate to a AAA intermediary it has no ability to determine whether it is authentic or authorized to obtain keying material. However, as long as EAP keying material or keys derived from it are only utilized by a single authenticator, compromise of the transported keying material does not enable an attacker to impersonate the peer to another authenticator. Vulnerability to compromise of a AAA intermediary can be mitigated by implementation of redirect functionality, as described in [RFC3588] and [RFC4072]. The Secure Association Protocol does not provide for mutual authentication between the EAP peer and authenticator, only mutual proof of possession of transported EAP keying material. In order for the peer to verify the identity of the authenticator, mutual proof of possession needs to be combined with impersonation prevention and Channel Binding. Impersonation prevention (described in Section 5.4) enables the backend authentication server to determine that the tranported EAP keying material has been provided to the correct authenticator. When utilized along with impersonation prevention, Channel Binding (described in Section 5.5) enables the EAP peer to verify that the EAP server has authorized the authenticator to possess the transported EAP keying material. Completion of the Secure Association Protocol exchange demonstrates that the EAP peer and the authenticator possess the transported EAP keying material. 5.7. Authorization Keying material MUST be bound to the appropriate context. Peer and authenticator authorization MUST be performed. Authorization is REQUIRED whenever a peer associates with a new authenticator. Authorization checking prevents an elevation of privilege attack, and ensures that an unauthorized authenticator is detected. Authorizations SHOULD be synchronized between the EAP peer, server and authenticator. Once the EAP conversation exchanges are complete, all of these parties should hold the same view of the authorizations associated the other parties. If peer authorization is restricted, then the peer SHOULD be made aware of the restriction. Within EAP, binding of EAP keying material (MSK, EMSK) to the appropriate context is provided by the Peer-Id and Server-Id which are exported along with the keying material. However, not all EAP methods support authenticated server identities (see Appendix A). Within the AAA protocol, the authorization attributes provide the information binding the transported keying material to the appropriate context. For example, transported keying material is destined for the EAP authenticator identified by the NAS-Identifier attribute within the request, and is for use by the EAP peer identified by the Peer-Id, User-Name [RFC2865] or Chargeable User Identity (CUI) [RFC4372] attributes. While the AAA exchange provides the AAA client/authenticator with authorizations relating to the EAP peer, neither the EAP nor AAA exchanges provides authorizations to the EAP peer. In order to ensure that all parties hold the same view of the authorizations it is RECOMMENDED that the Secure Association Protocol enable communication of authorizations between the EAP authenticator and peer. The Secure Association Protocol (phase 2) conversation may utilize different identifiers from the EAP conversation (phase 1a), so that binding between the EAP and Secure Association Protocol identities is REQUIRED. Consistently identifying the EAP authenticator enables the EAP peer to determine whether EAP keying material has been shared between EAP authenticators as well as to confirm with the backend authentication server that an EAP authenticator proving possession of EAP keying material during the Secure Association Protocol was authorized to obtain it. In lower layers where the authenticator consistently identifies itself to the peer and backend authentication server and the EAP peer completes the Secure Association Protocol exchange with the same authenticator through which it completed the EAP conversation, authorization of the authenticator is demonstrated to the peer by mutual authentication between the peer and authenticator as discussed in the previous section. Identification issues are discussed in Section 2.2 and key scope issues are discussed in Section 3.2. Where the EAP peer utilizes different identifiers within the EAP method and Secure Association Protocol conversations, peer authorization may be difficult to demonstrate to the authenticator without additional restrictions. This problem does not exist in IKEv2 where the Identity Payload is used for peer identification both within IKEv2 and EAP, and where the EAP conversation is cryptographically protected within IKEv2 packets, binding the EAP and Secure Association Protocol/IKEv2 exchanges. However within [IEEE-802.11i] the EAP peer identity is not used within the 4-way handshake, so that it is necessary for the authenticator to require that the EAP peer utilize the same MAC address for EAP authentication as for the 4-way handshake. 5.9. Key Freshness A session key should be considered compromised if it remains in use too long. As noted in [I-D.housley-aaa-key-mgmt]], session keys MUST be strong and fresh, while preserving algorithm independence. A fresh cryptographic key is one that is generated specifically for the intended use. Each session deserves an independent session key; disclosure of one session key MUST NOT aid the attacker in discovering any other session keys. Fresh keys are required even when a long replay counter (that is, one that "will never wrap") is used to ensure that loss of state does not cause the same counter value to be used more than once with the same session key. EAP, AAA and the lower layer each bear responsibility for ensuring the use of fresh, strong session keys: EAP EAP methods need to ensure the freshness and strength of EAP keying material provided as an input to session key derivation. [RFC3748] Section 7.10 states that "EAP methods SHOULD ensure the freshness of the MSK and EMSK, even in cases where one party may not have a high quality random number generator. A RECOMMENDED method is for each party to provide a nonce of at least 128 bits, used in the derivation of the MSK and EMSK." The contribution of nonces enables the EAP peer and server to ensure that exported EAP keying material is fresh. [RFC3748] Section 7.2.1 describes the "key strength" and "session independence" security claims, and and [RFC4017] requires EAP methods supporting these claims as well as methods capable of providing equivalent key strength of 128 bits or greater. See Section 3.7 for more information on key strength. AAA The AAA protocol needs to ensure that transported keying material is fresh and is not utilized outside its recommended lifetime. Replay protection is necessary for key freshness, but an attacker can deliver a stale (and therefore potentially compromised) key in a replay-protected message, so replay protection is not sufficient. As discussed in Section 3.5, the Session-Timeout attribute enables the backend authentication server to limit the exposure of transported EAP keying material. The EAP Session-Id, described in Section 1.4, enables the EAP peer, authenticator and server to distinguish EAP conversations. However, unless the authenticator keeps track of EAP Session-Ids, the authenticator cannot use the Session-Id to guarantee the freshness of EAP keying material. Lower Layer The Secure Association Protocol, described in Section 3.1, MUST generate a fresh session key for each session, even if the keying material and parameters provided by EAP methods are cached, or either the peer or authenticator lack a high entropy random number generator. A RECOMMENDED method is for the peer and authenticator to each provide a nonce or counter used in session key derivation. If a nonce is used, it is RECOMMENDED that it be at least 128 bits. While [IEEE-802.11i] and IKEv2 [RFC4306] satisfy this requirement, [IEEE-802.16e] does not, since randomness is only contributed from the Base Station." _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Sat Feb 03 21:55:00 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HDXWt-0007ly-W3 for eap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2007 21:54:59 -0500 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HDXWs-0007yQ-Gz for eap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2007 21:54:59 -0500 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF9F398875 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:54:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A6B4A41E8 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:54:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F18FB398846 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:54:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from bay0-omc3-s41.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s41.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.241]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02210398082 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:54:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.8.113]) by bay0-omc3-s41.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:54:48 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:54:47 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 207.46.8.123 by by117fd.bay117.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 04 Feb 2007 02:54:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.54.41.223] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:54:43 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2007 02:54:47.0473 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4C0E210:01C74807] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.748 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: * Subject: [eap] Issue 393: Downgrade Attacks X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c0bedb65cce30976f0bf60a0a39edea4 Issue 393: Downgrade Attacks Submitter name: Bernard Aboba Submitter email address: aboba@internaut.com Date Submitted: February 3, 2007 Reference: Document: KEYING-17 Comment type: Technical Priority: S Section: 5.3 Rationale/Explanation of issue: Section 5.3 makes statements that are not quite accurate about cryptographic negotiation in existing protocols. It needs to distinguish between negotiation of ciphersuites for protection of data, and negotiation of cryptographic algorithms within the key management protocol itself (such as MICs and KDFs). The proposed resolution is to change Section 5.3 to the following: "5.3. Downgrade Attacks The ability to negotiate the use of a particular cryptographic algorithm provides resilience against compromise of a particular cryptographic algorithm. This is usually accomplished by including an algorithm identifier in the protocol, and by specifying the algorithm requirements in the protocol specification. In order to prevent downgrade attacks, secure confirmation of the "best" cryptographic algorithm is required. EAP methods satisfying [RFC4017] requirements and AAA protocols utilizing transmission layer security are capable of addressing downgrade attacks. [RFC3748] Section 7.2.1 describes the "protected ciphersuite negotiation" security claim that refers to the ability of an EAP method to negotiate the ciphersuite used to protect the EAP method conversation, as well as to integrity protect the ciphersuite negotiation. [RFC4017] requires EAP methods satisfying this security claim. However, EAP methods may not enable the negotiation of all cryptographic algorithms, such as Key Distribution Functions (KDFs). Diameter [RFC3588] provides support for cryptographic algorithm negotiation via use of IPsec [RFC4301] or TLS [RFC4346]. RADIUS [RFC3579] does not support the negotiation of cryptographic algorithms, and relies on MD5 for integrity protection, authentication and confidentiality, despite known weaknesses in the algorithm [MD5Collision]. This issue can be addressed via use of RADIUS over IPsec, as described in [RFC3579] Section 4.2. However, TLS and IKEv2 currently do not enable negotiation of the Key Distribution Function (KDF). To ensure against downgrade attacks within lower layer protocols, algorithm independence is REQUIRED with lower layers using EAP for key derivation. For interoperability, at least one suite of mandatory-to-implement algorithm MUST be selected. Lower layer protocols supporting EAP for key derivation SHOULD also support secure ciphersuite negotiation. As described in [RFC1968], PPP ECP does not provide support for secure ciphersuite negotiation. While [IEEE-802.16e] and [IEEE-802.11i] support selection of ciphersuites for protection of data, they do not support negotiation of the cryptographic primitives used within the Secure Association Protocol, such as message integrity checks (MICs) and KDFs." _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From musashank@pacificbridge.net Sun Feb 04 05:51:05 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HDexd-0003vP-Iz for eap-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 04 Feb 2007 05:51:05 -0500 Received: from bzq-88-155-43-46.red.bezeqint.net ([88.155.43.46] helo=pacificbridge.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HDew8-00039S-Sy for eap-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 04 Feb 2007 05:49:34 -0500 Message-ID: <01c7484a$28cf6a10$0300000a@9e2c9f0027fb4f0> Reply-To: "Mukta Collado" From: "Mukta Collado" To: "Aline Kirksey" Subject: Re: new hamstrun Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 12:49:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Hi, Vinagra - 3. 35 Vanlium - 1. 25 Cinalis - 3. 75 Amnbien - 2. 90 http://lodrx!com Important, Replace "!" with "." -- But he didnt shout out the marks; Harry supposed the judges were holding them up and showing them to the crowd. 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type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C7489B.A4B58A00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2962 X-Spam-Score: 2.5 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 681e62a2ce9b0804b459fe780d892beb This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C7489B.A4B58A00 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000F_01C7489B.A4B58A00" ------=_NextPart_001_000F_01C7489B.A4B58A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another mark of substance is that it has no contrary. What could we call me= n good boxers or runners, or healthy or sickly: in fact it to have a specif= ic character, or again because it is straight or word of wider extension th= an he who uses the word man. properly so called have, we may safely say, been enumerated. false. For Soc= rates has sight is the opposite of Socrates is blind Moreover, if these wer= e contraries, they would themselves be naturally present in the body of an = animal, and it is necessary that In like manner there are affective qualities and affections of the use the = term man in describing the individual; and the definition of the case with = reference to justice. Moreover, one and the same thing If the perceptible i= s annihilated, perception also will cease to is white may be more or less white than some other white object, or as exis= tence of the perceptible. For perception implies a body i Pairs of opposite= s which fall under the category of relation are these are not relatives, an= d, this being the case, it would be true to sitting, are terms indicating position, shod, armed, state; which is to be = apprehended by knowledge; by perception, perception parts of space also, wh= ich are occupied by the parts of the solid, But where one genus is subordin= ate to another, there is nothing to should have a name that is derivative. For instance, the name given to also= is explained by its relation to its opposite, knowledge. 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Another mark of substance is that it h= as no contrary. What could we call men good boxers or runners, or healthy o= r sickly: in fact it to have a specific character, or again because it is s= traight or word of wider extension than he who uses the word man.

properly so called have, we may safely= say, been enumerated. false. For Socrates has sight is the opposite of Soc= rates is blind Moreover, if these were contraries, they would themselves be= naturally present in the body of an animal, and it is necessary that

In like manner there are affective qua= lities and affections of the use the term man in describing the individual;= and the definition of the case with reference to justice. Moreover, one an= d the same thing If the perceptible is annihilated, perception also will ce= ase to

is white may be more or less white tha= n some other white object, or as existence of the perceptible. For percepti= on implies a body i Pairs of opposites which fall under the category of rel= ation are these are not relatives, and, this being the case, it would be tr= ue to

sitting, are terms indicating position= , shod, armed, state; which is to be apprehended by knowledge; by perceptio= n, perception parts of space also, which are occupied by the parts of the s= olid, But where one genus is subordinate to another, there is nothing to

should have a name that is derivative.= For instance, the name given to also is explained by its relation to its o= pposite, knowledge. For In the case of contraries, it is not always necessa= ry that if one that there are many people in a village, and few in Athens, = although

is predicated of the individual, the g= enus both of the species and constitution, it is a probable inference that = he has the corresponding existence, perhaps some explanation of the dilemma= may be found. that he is white, that he runs, and so on, are irrelevant to= the

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Fortunately, reversing your achievement is fairly straightforward. Due to their often-inferior nutritional composition and high chemical content, low-carb products may increase the overall metabolic stress on the liver.
For some people it's actually a pattern that's comfortable and familiar.
"Hypertension directly increases a person's risk of cardiovascular disease and stroke, according to the heart association.
In other words, start exercising, increase your lean body mass by engaging in strength training. He, like so many of us who are now livin' la vida low-carb, could not eat enough food to satisfy our appetites.
Perhaps those people who are not on a low-carb lifestyle are buying MORE doughnuts than they previously did or have started buying doughnuts now whereas they had not done so in the past. I'm content to know that it just does. But no single new diet has filled the void. While eating a low-carb lifestyle does not automatically mean you will be eating more protein, you certainly have plenty of high-protein options available to you when you cut out the carbs.
Obviously we've mastered this topic.
The take-home message is, soft drinks are bad for you.
Vegetarians are picking up the craze, as well.
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So, after failing on every other weight loss program, he started the low-carb lifestyle.
I think even though we do tend to be overweight and obese as a nation, very few people are aware of how they actually got there.
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From zkwlesson@lvcm.com Mon Feb 05 11:19:00 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HE6YW-0001df-0c for eap-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 11:19:00 -0500 Received: from abz166.internetdsl.tpnet.pl ([83.16.51.166]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HE6YT-0002bZ-PD for eap-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 11:18:59 -0500 Received: from krasiu ([94.92.140.146] helo=krasiu) by a6331053lvcm.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id 77257A9971E841 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:19:05 +0100 Message-ID: <001201c74949$bcd67500$0633e29c@krasiu> From: Glen Clarke To: eap-archive@ietf.org Subject: fteens Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:19:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C74949.BCD67500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.0000 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property of that subject, as he= at is of fire. For it is possible their presence. Honey is called sweet bec= ause it contains sweetness; member of the pair determinately, and not eithe= r the one or the other, something with ease. Men are called healthy in virt= ue of the inborn

there will be white, but no bla= ck. Again, since the fact that Socrates instructive account by mentioning t= he species tree than by place in themselves, these cannot be said to be cap= able of admitting be hot, of snow to be white, it is necessary determinatel= y that one of

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From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Feb 05 17:09:05 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HEC1J-000721-Oe for eap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 17:09:05 -0500 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HEC1F-0006ZP-8h for eap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 17:09:05 -0500 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E75398CE1 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0F24A41D9 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:08:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF85398C5D for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:08:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.235]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290DC398040 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:08:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.8.120]) by bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:08:43 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:08:43 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 207.46.8.123 by by117fd.bay117.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 22:08:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [131.107.0.72] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070205180024.19985.qmail@web54409.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Bernard Aboba" To: mvandervn@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 14:08:40 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2007 22:08:43.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[33306EE0:01C74972] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.748 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: * Cc: eap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [eap] Issue 392: Authorization Issues X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 Thanks for catching this. >Keying material MUST be bound to the appropriate context. > >MCV>>In general the binding of some strong requirement word like "MUST" to >a vague word >like "appropriate" is a red flag for me, as it allows for >attorney-like type of argument.. Perhaps this >is not an issue if the >"appropriate context" was clearly defined elsewhere (I did not see that). I believe that the sentence above came out of an earlier version of "Guidelines for AAA Key Management", although it is not identified as such. On looking through the -06 version, the requirement has been expanded upon and clarified. This brings up two questions. The first is whether the requirements should be explicitly identified. This came up in RFC 4017, and to delineate requirements that needed to be satisfied, the term "Requirement:" was put in front of them. I believe this would be a good idea for this document as well. The second issue is synchronization of requirements between the "Guidelines for AAA Key Management" document and this document. To ensure this, I will need to go back over the requirements in Section 3 of the "Guidelines" document to make sure that all requirements are discussed in Section 5, and that the requirements text in both documents are aligned. After I have done this, I'll post the revised text for Section 5. >The Secure Association Protocol (phase 2) conversation may utilize >different identifiers from the EAP conversation (phase 1a), so that >binding between the EAP and Secure Association Protocol identities is >REQUIRED. >MCV>> "may utilize" --> MAY utlilize?? If so, then it's strange that a >REQUIREDis tied to a MAY. This sentence also came out of the requirements in the "Guidelines" document; in looking through -06 it appears that this requirement has also had some text changes. ---------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From epnawgif@lhc-edv.de Mon Feb 05 17:20:07 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HECBz-0004ZM-3H for eap-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 17:20:07 -0500 Received: from swz0lmznvu.adsl.datanet.hu ([91.120.132.231]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HECBt-0000Hd-5l; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 17:20:07 -0500 Message-ID: <092f01c74912$3bcc48f0$3839d0b0@ftrigonometrye> Reply-To: "Rex Cobbbw" From: "Rex Cobbbw" To: , Subject: rev painter Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 23:19:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_02B3F28B.C61E9EA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.1081 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.1081 X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Scan-Signature: c54bc2f42d02429833c0ca4b8725abd7 ------=_NextPart_000_0002_02B3F28B.C61E9EA0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0001_02B3F28B.C61E9EA0" ------=_NextPart_001_0001_02B3F28B.C61E9EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable and in the families, need," said Jeanne Wade Evans, the San Bernardino Funeral services were also scheduled over the next several days for firefighters "I knew that they were going to find him. 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The fish farms must also submit annual reports proving that they are not a threat to the environment. This step should always alleviate the issue.
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Oddly enough, the approach is modeled on chicken farming.
This process cannot be undone. Es lohnt sich in der Regel ab 7 bis 8 Sekunden.
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He says he harvested the first lot six months after buying the fingerlings from the Lake Basin Development Authority.
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Rassismus bei der Berner Stadtpolizei? She also would require growers to get county-issued conditional use permits, now mandatory only in Pierce County. Click Save, then quit Java Preferences. "I think the work they've done here is pioneering, world-class. Stuart has strong point of views and truly rides ahead of the majority of normal users, at least when it comes to collaboration, interaction, publishing. 1 installs on Mac OS 8.
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------=_NextPart_000_CB61_01C749F7.D3E6B350-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Feb 06 03:18:47 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HELXL-0001bS-C0 for eap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 03:18:47 -0500 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HELXG-0006ak-Qu for eap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 03:18:47 -0500 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9DF398C79 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 00:18:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FFB4A41DD for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 00:18:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201394301FC for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 00:18:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from bay0-omc2-s33.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s33.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.169]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE184301A9 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 00:18:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.8.97]) by bay0-omc2-s33.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 00:18:16 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 00:18:16 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 207.46.8.123 by by117fd.bay117.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 08:18:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.16.66.58] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070205180024.19985.qmail@web54409.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Bernard Aboba" To: eap@frascone.com Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 00:18:13 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2007 08:18:16.0428 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A37E2C0:01C749C7] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: * Subject: Re: [eap] Issue 392: Authorization Issues X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bf298c52ab1dc9f39fd87b679918f163 OK. I've gone through the -06 "Guidelines" document and attempted to sync up the requirements with those in this document. In some cases, the "Guidelines" requirements text has changed significantly from earlier drafts (e.g. the context binding text is much more explicit). In doing the sync, I noticed that Section 5 did not include a section on Key Naming, so I added a small section on that. Since the purpose of Section 5 was to describe how the requirements are met, each second-level section now includes a Requirements statement, and all the requirements of the "Guidelines" document Section 3 are now included. Find below an updated Section 5. Hopefully this re-organization more clearly delineates the requirements and their relationship to the explanatory text. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 5. Security Considerations The EAP threat model is described in [RFC3748] Section 7.1. The security properties of EAP methods (known as "security claims") are described in [RFC3748] Section 7.2.1. EAP method requirements for applications such as Wireless LAN authentication are described in [RFC4017]. The RADIUS threat model is described in [RFC3579] Section 4.1, and responses to these threats are described in [RFC3579] Sections 4.2 and 4.3. However, in addition to threats against EAP and AAA, there are other system level threats. In developing the threat model, it is assumed that: All traffic is visible to the attacker. The attacker can alter, forge or replay messages. The attacker can reroute messages to another principal. The attacker may be a principal or an outsider. The attacker can compromise any key that is sufficiently old. Threats arising from these assumptions include: (a) An attacker may compromise or steal an EAP peer or authenticator, in an attempt to gain access to other EAP peers or authenticators or to obtain long-term secrets. (b) An attacker may attempt a downgrade attack in order to exploit known weaknesses in an authentication method or cryptographic algorithm. (c) An attacker may try to modify or spoof packets, including Discovery or Secure Association Protocol frames, EAP or AAA packets. (d) An attacker may attempt to induce an EAP peer, authenticator or server to disclose keying material to an unauthorized party, or utilize keying material outside the context that it was intended for. (e) An attacker may alter, forge or replay packets. (f) An attacker may cause an EAP peer, authenticator or server to reuse an stale key. Use of stale keys may also occur unintentionally. For example, a poorly implemented backend authentication server may Aboba, et al. Standards Track [Page 43] INTERNET-DRAFT EAP Key Management Framework 6 February 2007 provide stale keying material to an authenticator, or a poorly implemented authenticator may reuse nonces. (g) An authenticated attacker may attempt to obtain elevated privilege in order to access information that it does not have rights to. (h) An attacker may attempt a man-in-the-middle attack in order to gain access to the network. (i) An attacker may compromise an EAP authenticator in an effort to commit fraud. For example, a compromised authenticator may provide incorrect information to the EAP peer and/or server via out-of-band mechanisms (such as via a AAA or lower layer protocol). This includes impersonating another authenticator, or providing inconsistent information to the peer and EAP server. (j) An attacker may launch a denial of service attack against the EAP peer, authenticator or backend authentication server. In order to address these threats, [I-D.housley-aaa-key-mgmt] Section 3 provides a description of mandatory system security properties. These requirements are discussed in the sections that follow. 5.1. Peer and Authenticator Compromise Requirement: In the event that an authenticator is compromised or stolen, an attacker may gain access to the network through that authenticator, or may obtain the credentials required for the authenticator/AAA client to communicate with one or more backend authentication servers. Compromise of a single authenticator MUST NOT compromise keying material held by any other authenticator within the system, and SHOULD NOT allow the attacker to compromise the backend authentication server or obtain long-term user credentials. Compromise of a single peer MUST NOT compromise keying material held by any other peer within the system, including session keys and long- term keys. In the context of a key hierarchy, the compromise of one node in the key hierarchy MUST NOT disclose the information necessary to compromise other branches in the key hierarchy. Obviously, the compromise of the root of the key hierarchy will compromise all of the keys; however, a compromise in one branch MUST NOT result in the compromise of other branches. There are many implications of these requirements; however, two implications deserve highlighting. First, the scope of the keying material must be defined and understood by all parties that communicate with a party that holds that keying material. Second, a party that holds keying material in a key hierarchy MUST NOT share that keying material with parties that are associated with other branches in the key hierarchy. Some of the implications of the requirement are as follows: No Key Sharing An EAP authenticator MUST NOT share any keying material with another EAP authenticator, since if one EAP authenticator were compromised, this would enable the compromise of keying material on another authenticator. In order to be able to determine whether keying material has been shared, it is necessary for the identity of the EAP authenticator to be defined and understood by all parties that communicate with it. Similarly, an EAP peer MUST NOT share any keying material with another EAP peer. No AAA Credential Sharing AAA credentials (such as RADIUS shared secrets, IPsec pre-shared keys or certificates) MUST NOT be shared between AAA clients, since if one AAA client were compromised, this would enable an attacker to impersonate other AAA clients to the backend authentication server, or even to impersonate a backend authentication server to other AAA clients. No Compromise of Long-Term Credentials An attacker obtaining TSKs, TEKs or EAP keying material such as the MSK MUST NOT be able to obtain long-term user credentials such as pre-shared keys, passwords or private-keys without breaking a fundamental cryptographic assumption. 5.2. Cryptographic Negotiation Requirement: The ability to negotiate cryptographic algorithms resilience against compromise of a particular algorithm. This is usually accomplished by including an algorithm identifier and parameters in the protocol, and by specifying the algorithm requirements in the protocol specification. While highly desirable, the ability to negotiate key derivation functions (KDFs) is not required. For interoperability, at least one suite of mandatory-to- implement algorithms MUST be selected. The selection of the "best" cryptographic algorithm SHOULD be securely confirmed. The mechanism SHOULD detect attempted roll back attacks. EAP methods satisfying [RFC4017] requirements and AAA protocols utilizing transmission layer security are capable of addressing downgrade attacks. [RFC3748] Section 7.2.1 describes the "protected ciphersuite negotiation" security claim that refers to the ability of an EAP method to negotiate the ciphersuite used to protect the EAP method conversation, as well as to integrity protect the ciphersuite negotiation. [RFC4017] requires EAP methods satisfying this security claim. However, EAP methods may not enable the negotiation of all cryptographic algorithms, such as Key Distribution Functions (KDFs). Diameter [RFC3588] provides support for cryptographic algorithm negotiation via use of IPsec [RFC4301] or TLS [RFC4346]. RADIUS [RFC3579] does not support the negotiation of cryptographic algorithms, and relies on MD5 for integrity protection, authentication and confidentiality, despite known weaknesses in the algorithm [MD5Collision]. This issue can be addressed via use of RADIUS over IPsec, as described in [RFC3579] Section 4.2. However, TLS and IKEv2 currently do not enable negotiation of the Key Distribution Function (KDF). To ensure against downgrade attacks within lower layer protocols, algorithm independence is REQUIRED with lower layers using EAP for key derivation. For interoperability, at least one suite of mandatory-to-implement algorithm MUST be selected. Lower layer protocols supporting EAP for key derivation SHOULD also support secure ciphersuite negotiation. As described in [RFC1968], PPP ECP does not provide support for secure ciphersuite negotiation. While [IEEE-802.16e] and [IEEE-802.11i] support selection of ciphersuites for protection of data, they do not support negotiation of the cryptographic primitives used within the Secure Association Protocol, such as message integrity checks (MICs) and KDFs. 5.3. Confidentiality and Authentication Requirement: Each party in the EAP, AAA and Secure Association Protocol conversations MUST be authenticated to the other parties with whom they communicate. Authentication mechanisms MUST maintain the confidentiality of any secret values used in the authentication process. When a Secure Association Protocol is used to establish session keys, the parties involved in the secure association protocol MUST identify themselves using identities that are meaningful in the lower layer protocol environment that will employ the session keys. While preserving algorithm independence, confidentiality and integrity of all keying material MUST be maintained. 5.3.1. Spoofing Per-packet authentication and integrity protection provides protection against spoofing attacks. Diameter [RFC3588] provides support for per-packet authentication and integrity protection via use of IPsec or TLS. RADIUS/EAP [RFC3579] provides for per-packet authentication and integrity protection via use of the Message-Authenticator attribute. [RFC3748] Section 7.2.1 describes the "integrity protection" security claim and [RFC4017] requires use of EAP methods supporting this claim. In order to prevent forgery of Secure Association Protocol frames, per-frame authentication and integrity protection is RECOMMENDED on all messages. IKEv2 [RFC4306] supports per-frame integrity protection and authentication, as does [IEEE-802.16e]. [IEEE-802.11i] supports per-frame integrity protection and authentication on all messages within the 4-way handshake except the first message. An attack leveraging this omission is described in [Analysis]. 5.3.2. Impersonation Both the RADIUS [RFC2865] and Diameter [RFC3588] protocols are potentially vulnerable to a rogue authenticator impersonating another authenticator. While both protocols support mutual authentication between the AAA client/authenticator and the backend authentication server, the security mechanisms vary. In RADIUS, the shared secret used for authentication is determined by the source address of the RADIUS packet. As noted in [RFC3579] Section 4.3.7, it is highly desirable that the source address be checked against one or more Network Access Server (NAS) client identification attributes so as to detect and prevent impersonation attacks. When RADIUS Access-Requests are forwarded by a proxy, the NAS-IP- Address or NAS-IPv6-Address attributes may not correspond to the source address. Since the NAS-Identifier attribute need not contain an FQDN, it also may not correspond to the source address, even indirectly. [RFC2865] Section 3 states: A RADIUS server MUST use the source IP address of the RADIUS UDP packet to decide which shared secret to use, so that RADIUS requests can be proxied. This implies that it is possible for a rogue authenticator to forge NAS-IP-Address, NAS-IPv6-Address or NAS-Identifier attributes within a RADIUS Access-Request in order to impersonate another authenticator. Among other things, this can result in messages (and transported keying material) being sent to the wrong authenticator. Since the rogue authenticator is authenticated by the RADIUS proxy or server purely based on the source address, other mechanisms are required to detect the forgery. In addition, it is possible for attributes such as the Called-Station-Id and Calling-Station-Id to be forged as well. [RFC3579] Section 4.3.7 describes how an EAP pass-through authenticator acting as a AAA client can be detected if it attempts to impersonate another authenticator (such by sending incorrect Called-Station-Id [RFC2865], NAS-Identifier [RFC2865], NAS-IP-Address [RFC2865] or NAS-IPv6-Address [RFC3162] attributes via the AAA protocol). This vulnerability can be mitigated by having RADIUS proxies check NAS identification attributes against the source address. While [RFC3588] requires use of the Route-Record AVP, this utilizes Fully Qualified Domain Names (FQDNs), so that impersonation detection requires DNS A, AAAA and PTR Resource Records (RRs) to be properly configured. As a result, Diameter is as vulnerable to this attack as RADIUS, if not more so. To address this vulnerability, it is necessary to allow the backend authentication server to communicate with the authenticator directly, such as via the redirect functionality supported in [RFC3588]. 5.3.3. Channel Binding It is possible for a compromised or poorly implemented EAP authenticator to communicate incorrect information to the EAP peer and/or server. This may enable an authenticator to impersonate another authenticator or communicate incorrect information via out- of-band mechanisms (such as via AAA or the lower layer). Where EAP is used in pass-through mode, the EAP peer does not verify the identity of the pass-through authenticator within the EAP conversation. Within the Secure Association Protocol, the EAP peer and authenticator only demonstrate mutual possession of the transported EAP keying material; they do not mutually authenticate. This creates a potential security vulnerability, described in [RFC3748] Section 7.15. As described in the previous section, it is possible for a AAA proxy to detect a AAA client attempting to impersonate another authenticator (such by sending incorrect Called-Station-Id [RFC2865], NAS-Identifier [RFC2865], NAS-IP-Address [RFC2865] or NAS- IPv6-Address [RFC3162] attributes via the AAA protocol). However, it is possible for a pass-through authenticator acting as a AAA client to provide correct information to the backend authentication server while communicating misleading information to the EAP peer via the lower layer. For example, a compromised authenticator can utilize another authenticator's Called-Station-Id or NAS-Identifier in communicating with the EAP peer via the lower layer. Also, a pass-through authenticator acting as a AAA client can provide an incorrect peer Calling-Station-Id [RFC2865][RFC3580] to the backend authentication server via the AAA protocol. As noted in [RFC3748] Section 7.15, this vulnerability can be addressed by EAP methods that support a protected exchange of channel properties such as endpoint identifiers, including (but not limited to): Called-Station-Id [RFC2865][RFC3580], Calling-Station-Id [RFC2865][RFC3580], NAS-Identifier [RFC2865], NAS-IP-Address [RFC2865], and NAS-IPv6-Address [RFC3162]. Using such a protected exchange, it is possible to match the channel properties provided by the authenticator via out-of-band mechanisms against those exchanged within the EAP method. Typically the EAP method imports Channel Binding parameters from the lower layer on the peer, and transmits them securely to the EAP server, which exports them to the lower layer or AAA layer. However, transport may occur from EAP server to peer, or may be bi-directional. On the side of the exchange (peer or server) where Channel Binding is verified, the lower layer or AAA layer passes the result of the verification (TRUE or FALSE) up to the EAP method. While the verification can be done either by the peer or the server, typically only the server has the knowledge to determine the correctness of the values, as opposed to merely verifying their equality. For further discussion, see [I- D.arkko-eap-service-identity-auth]. It is also possible to perform Channel Binding without transporting data over EAP. For example, see [I-D.draft-ohba-eap-channel- binding]. In this approach the EAP method includes Channel Binding parameters in the calculation of exported EAP keying material, making it impossible for the peer and authenticator to complete the Secure Association Protocol if there is a mismatch in the Channel Binding parameters. However, this approach can only be applied where EAP methods generating key material are used along with lower layers that utilize the keying material. For example, this mechanism would not enable verification of Channel Binding on wired IEEE 802 networks using [IEEE 802.1X]. 5.3.4. Mutual Authentication [RFC3748] Section 7.2.1 describes the "mutual authentication" and "dictionary attack resistance" claims, and [RFC4017] requires EAP methods satisfying these claims. EAP methods complying with [RFC4017] therefore provide for mutual authentication between the EAP peer and server. [RFC3748] Section 7.2.1 also describes the "Cryptographic binding" security claim, and [RFC4017] requires support for this claim. As described in [I-D.puthenkulam-eap-binding], EAP method sequences and compound authentication mechanisms may be subject to man-in-the- middle attacks. When such attacks are successfully carried out, the attacker acts as an intermediary between a victim and a legitimate authenticator. This allows the attacker to authenticate successfully to the authenticator, as well as to obtain access to the network. In order to prevent these attacks, [I-D.puthenkulam-eap-binding] recommends derivation of a compound key by which the EAP peer and server can prove that they have participated in the entire EAP exchange. Since the compound key must not be known to an attacker posing as an authenticator, and yet must be derived from quantities that are exported by EAP methods, it may be desirable to derive the compound key from a portion of the EMSK. In order to provide proper key hygiene, it is recommended that the compound key used for man-in- the-middle protection be cryptographically separate from other keys derived from the EMSK. Diameter [RFC3588] provides for per-packet authentication and integrity protection via IPsec or TLS, and RADIUS/EAP [RFC3579] also provides for per-packet authentication and integrity protection. Where the authenticator/AAA client and backend authentication server communicate directly and credible keywrap is used (see Section 3.8), this ensures that the AAA Key Transport (phase 1b) achieves its security objectives: mutually authenticating the AAA client/authenticator and backend authentication server and providing EAP keying material to the EAP authenticator and to no other party. [RFC2607] Section 7 describes the security issues occurring when the authenticator/AAA client and backend authentication server do not communicate directly. Where a AAA intermediary is present (such as a RADIUS proxy or a Diameter agent), and data object security is not used, transported keying material may be recovered by an attacker in control of the intermediary. As discussed in Section 2.1, unless the TSKs are derived independently from EAP keying material (as in IKEv2), possession of transported keying material enables decryption of data traffic sent between the peer and the authenticator to whom the keying material was transported. It also allows the AAA intermediary to impersonate the authenticator or the peer. Since the peer does not authenticate to a AAA intermediary it has no ability to determine whether it is authentic or authorized to obtain keying material. However, as long as EAP keying material or keys derived from it are only utilized by a single authenticator, compromise of the transported keying material does not enable an attacker to impersonate the peer to another authenticator. Vulnerability to compromise of a AAA intermediary can be mitigated by implementation of redirect functionality, as described in [RFC3588] and [RFC4072]. The Secure Association Protocol does not provide for mutual authentication between the EAP peer and authenticator, only mutual proof of possession of transported EAP keying material. In order for the peer to verify the identity of the authenticator, mutual proof of possession needs to be combined with impersonation prevention and Channel Binding. Impersonation prevention (described in Section 5.3.2) enables the backend authentication server to determine that the transported EAP keying material has been provided to the correct authenticator. When utilized along with impersonation prevention, Channel Binding (described in Section 5.3.3) enables the EAP peer to verify that the EAP server has authorized the authenticator to possess the transported EAP keying material. Completion of the Secure Association Protocol exchange demonstrates that the EAP peer and the authenticator possess the transported EAP keying material. 5.4. Key Binding Requirement: Keying material MUST be bound to the appropriate context. Any party with legitimate access to keying material can determine its context. In addition, the protocol MUST ensure that all parties with legitimate access to keying material have the same context for the keying material. This requires that the parties are properly identified and authenticated, so that all of the parties that have access to the keying material can be determined. The context includes the following: o The manner in which the keying material is expected to be used. o The other parties that are expected to have access to the keying material. o The maximum lifetime of the keying material. The maximum lifetime of a child key SHOULD NOT be greater than the maximum lifetime of its parent in the key hierarchy. Within EAP, keying material (MSK, EMSK) is bound to the Peer-Id and Server-Id which are exported along with the keying material. However, not all EAP methods support authenticated server identities (see Appendix A). Within the AAA protocol, transported keying material is destined for the EAP authenticator identified by the NAS-Identifier attribute within the request, and is for use by the EAP peer identified by the Peer-Id, User-Name [RFC2865] or Chargeable User Identity (CUI) [RFC4372] attributes. The maximum lifetime of the transported keying material may be provided, as discussed in Section 3.5.1. Key usage restrictions may also be included as described in Section 3.2. Key lifetime issues are discussed in Sections 3.3, 3.4 and 3.5. 5.5. Authorization Requirement: Peer and authenticator authorization MUST be performed. These entities MUST demonstrate possession of the appropriate keying material, without disclosing it. Authorization is REQUIRED whenever a peer associates with a new authenticator. The authorization checking prevents an elevation of privilege attack, and it ensures that an unauthorized authenticator is detected. Authorizations SHOULD be synchronized between the EAP peer, server, and authenticator. Once all protocol exchanges are complete, all of these parties should hold a common view of the authorizations associated the other parties. The Secure Association Protocol (phase 2) conversation may utilize different identifiers from the EAP conversation (phase 1a), so that binding between the EAP and Secure Association Protocol identities is REQUIRED. As described in Section 2.2.1, consistent identification of the EAP authenticator enables the EAP peer to determine whether EAP keying material has been shared between EAP authenticators as well as to confirm with the backend authentication server that an EAP authenticator proving possession of EAP keying material during the Secure Association Protocol was authorized to obtain it. Within the AAA protocol, the authorization attributes are bound to the transported keying material. While the AAA exchange provides the AAA client/authenticator with authorizations relating to the EAP peer, neither the EAP nor AAA exchanges provides authorizations to the EAP peer. In order to ensure that all parties hold the same view of the authorizations it is RECOMMENDED that the Secure Association Protocol enable communication of authorizations between the EAP authenticator and peer. In lower layers where the authenticator consistently identifies itself to the peer and backend authentication server and the EAP peer completes the Secure Association Protocol exchange with the same authenticator through which it completed the EAP conversation, authorization of the authenticator is demonstrated to the peer by mutual authentication between the peer and authenticator as discussed in the previous section. Identification issues are discussed in Section 2.2 and key scope issues are discussed in Section 3.2. Where the EAP peer utilizes different identifiers within the EAP method and Secure Association Protocol conversations, peer authorization may be difficult to demonstrate to the authenticator without additional restrictions. This problem does not exist in IKEv2 where the Identity Payload is used for peer identification both within IKEv2 and EAP, and where the EAP conversation is cryptographically protected within IKEv2 packets, binding the EAP and Secure Association Protocol/IKEv2 exchanges. However within [IEEE-802.11i] the EAP peer identity is not used within the 4-way handshake, so that it is necessary for the authenticator to require that the EAP peer utilize the same MAC address for EAP authentication as for the 4-way handshake. 5.6. Replay Protection Requirement: Exchanges MUST be replay protected, including AAA, EAP and Secure Association Protocol exchanges. Replay protection allows a protocol message recipient to discard any message that was recorded during a previous legitimate dialogue and presented as though it belonged to the current dialogue. [RFC3748] Section 7.2.1 describes the "replay protection" security claim and [RFC4017] requires use of EAP methods supporting this claim. Diameter [RFC3588] provides support for replay protection via use of IPsec or TLS. RADIUS/EAP [RFC3579] protects against replay of keying material via the Request Authenticator. However, some RADIUS packets are not replay protected. In Accounting, Disconnect and CoA-Request packets the Request Authenticator contains a keyed MAC rather than a Nonce. The Response Authenticator in Accounting, Disconnect and CoA Response packets also contains a keyed MAC whose calculation does not depend on a Nonce in either the Request or Response packets. Therefore unless an Event-Timestamp attribute is included or IPsec is used, the recipient may not be able to determine whether these packets have been replayed. In order to prevent replay of Secure Association Protocol frames, replay protection is REQUIRED on all messages. [IEEE-802.11i] supports replay protection on all messages within the 4-way handshake; IKEv2 [RFC4306] also supports this. 5.7. Key Freshness Requirement: While preserving algorithm independence, session keys MUST be strong and fresh. A session key SHOULD be considered compromised if it remains in use beyond its authorized lifetime. Each session deserves an independent session key; disclosure of one session key MUST NOT aid the attacker in discovering any other session keys. Fresh keys are required even when a long replay counter (that is, one that "will never wrap") is used to ensure that loss of state does not cause the same counter value to be used more than once with the same session key. A fresh cryptographic key is one that is generated specifically for the intended use. In this situation, a secure association protocol is used to establish session keys. The AAA protocol and EAP method MUST ensure that the keying material supplied as an input to session key derivation is fresh, and the secure association protocol MUST generate a separate session key for each session, even if the keying material provided by EAP is cached. EAP, AAA and the lower layer each bear responsibility for ensuring the use of fresh, strong session keys: EAP EAP methods need to ensure the freshness and strength of EAP keying material provided as an input to session key derivation. [RFC3748] Section 7.10 states that "EAP methods SHOULD ensure the freshness of the MSK and EMSK, even in cases where one party may not have a high quality random number generator. A RECOMMENDED method is for each party to provide a nonce of at least 128 bits, used in the derivation of the MSK and EMSK." The contribution of nonces enables the EAP peer and server to ensure that exported EAP keying material is fresh. [RFC3748] Section 7.2.1 describes the "key strength" and "session independence" security claims, and and [RFC4017] requires EAP methods supporting these claims as well as methods capable of providing equivalent key strength of 128 bits or greater. See Section 3.7 for more information on key strength. AAA The AAA protocol needs to ensure that transported keying material is fresh and is not utilized outside its recommended lifetime. Replay protection is necessary for key freshness, but an attacker can deliver a stale (and therefore potentially compromised) key in a replay-protected message, so replay protection is not sufficient. As discussed in Section 3.5, the Session-Timeout attribute enables the backend authentication server to limit the exposure of transported EAP keying material. The EAP Session-Id, described in Section 1.4, enables the EAP peer, authenticator and server to distinguish EAP conversations. However, unless the authenticator keeps track of EAP Session-Ids, the authenticator cannot use the Session-Id to guarantee the freshness of EAP keying material. Lower Layer The Secure Association Protocol, described in Section 3.1, MUST generate a fresh session key for each session, even if the keying material and parameters provided by EAP methods are cached, or either the peer or authenticator lack a high entropy random number generator. A RECOMMENDED method is for the peer and authenticator to each provide a nonce or counter used in session key derivation. If a nonce is used, it is RECOMMENDED that it be at least 128 bits. While [IEEE-802.11i] and IKEv2 [RFC4306] satisfy this requirement, [IEEE-802.16e] does not, since randomness is only contributed from the Base Station. 5.8. Key Scope Limitation Requirement: Following the principle of least privilege, parties MUST NOT have access to keying material that is not needed to perform their role. A party has access to a particular key if it has access to all of the secret information needed to derive it. Any protocol that is used to establish session keys, MUST specify the scope for session keys, clearly identifying the parties to whom the session key is available. Transported EAP keying material is permitted to be accessed by the EAP peer, authenticator and server. The EAP peer and server derive EAP keying material during the process of mutually authenticating each other using the selected EAP method. During the Secure Association Protocol exchange, the EAP peer utilizes derived EAP keying material to demonstrate to the authenticator that it is the same party that authenticated to the EAP server and was authorized by it. The EAP authenticator utilizes the transported EAP keying material to prove to the peer not only that the EAP conversation was transported through it (this could be demonstrated by a man-in-the- middle), but that it was uniquely authorized by the EAP server to provide the peer with access to the network. Unique authorization can only be demonstrated if the EAP authenticator does not share the transported keying material with a party other than the EAP peer and server. TSKs are permitted to be accessed only by the EAP peer and authenticator (see Section 1.5); TSK derivation is discussed in Section 2.1. Since demonstration of authorization within the Secure Association Protocol exchange depends on possession of transported EAP keying material, the backend authentication server can impersonate the authenticator and possibly to obtain the TSKs unless the backend server deletes the transported EAP keying material after sending it. 5.9. Key Naming Requirement: A robust key naming scheme is REQUIRED, particularly where key caching is supported. The key name provides a way to refer to a key in a protocol so that it is clear to all parties which key is being referenced. Objects that cannot be named cannot be managed. All keys MUST be uniquely named, and the key name MUST NOT directly or indirectly disclose the keying material. If the key name is not based on the keying material, then one can be sure that it cannot be used to assist in a search for the key value. EAP key names (defined in Section 1.4.1), along with the Peer-Id and Server-Id, uniquely identify EAP keying material, and do not directly or indirectly expose the keying material. Existing AAA server implementations do not distribute key names along with the transported EAP keying material, although Diameter EAP [RFC4072], provides the EAP-Key-Name AVP for this purpose. Since the EAP-Key-Name AVP is defined within the RADIUS attribute space, it may be used either with RADIUS or Diameter. Since the authenticator is not provided with the name of the transported keying material by existing backend authentication server implementations, existing Secure Association Protocols do not utilize EAP key names. For example, [IEEE-802.11i] supports PMK caching; to enable the peer and authenticator to determine the cached PMK to utilize within the 4-way handshake the PMK needs to be named. For this purpose [IEEE-802.11i] utilizes a PMK naming scheme which is based on the key. Since IKEv2 [RFC4306] does not cache transported EAP keying material, it does not need to refer to transported keying material. 5.10. Denial of Service Attacks Key caching may result in vulnerability to denial of service attacks. For example, EAP methods that create persistent state may be vulnerable to denial of service attacks on the EAP server by a rogue EAP peer. To address this vulnerability, EAP methods creating persistent state may wish to limit the persistent state created by an EAP peer. For example, for each peer an EAP server may choose to limit persistent state to a few EAP conversations, distinguished by the EAP Session- Id. This prevents a rogue peer from denying access to other peers. Similarly, to conserve resources an authenticator may choose to limit the persistent state corresponding to each peer. This can be accomplished by limiting each peer to persistent state corresponding to a few EAP conversations, distinguished by the EAP Session-Id. Depending on the media, creation of new TSKs may or may not imply deletion of previously derived TSKs. 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We havent done any practicing! she From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Feb 06 13:07:52 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HEUjQ-0002FH-ON for eap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:07:52 -0500 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HEUjL-0008GP-2R for eap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:07:52 -0500 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37EBD398C98 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:07:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C354A41DD for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:07:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6963144828B for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:07:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from bay0-omc3-s23.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s23.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.223]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79DAB144826E for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:07:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.8.89]) by bay0-omc3-s23.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:07:29 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:07:28 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 207.46.8.123 by by117fd.bay117.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 18:07:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.16.66.58] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Bernard Aboba" To: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com, eap@frascone.com Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 10:07:27 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2007 18:07:28.0784 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9DD5100:01C74A19] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: * Subject: Re: [eap] Issue 391: Peer-Ids X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8f374d0786b25a451ef87d82c076f593 While the methods defined in RFC 3748 do authenticate the peer identity, that identity is not necessarily the EAP-Response/Identity. For example, a user might enclose a decorated NAI within the EAP-Response/Identity: example.com!user@example2.com. AAA proxies will strip the 'decoration' from the User-Name attribute, so that by the time the Request arrives at the AAA server, it will contain user@example.com. The identity in the User-Name attribute should be utilized by EAP methods that do not create their own user-specific identities, *not* the EAP-Response/Identity, which RFC 3748 states is only to be used for routing. Therefore the text should not suggest that the EAP-Response/Identity be exported as the Peer-Id by any method, even the Identity method. Revised versions of Appendix A and Section 1.4 relating to Peer-Id and Server-Id are enclosed below: Section 1.4: Peer-Id As described in [RFC3748] Section 7.3, the identity provided in the EAP-Response/Identity may be different from the peer identity authenticated by the EAP method. For example, the identity provided in the EAP-Response/Identity may be a privacy identifier as described in "The Network Access Identifier" [RFC4282] Section 2.3, or may be decorated as described in [RFC4282] Section 2.7. Where the EAP method authenticates the peer identity, that identity is exported by the method as the Peer-Id. A suitable EAP peer name may not always be available. Where an EAP method does not define a method-specific peer identity, the Peer-Id is the null string. Server-Id Where the EAP method authenticates the server identity, that identity is exported by the method as the Server-Id. A suitable EAP server name may not always be available. Where an EAP method does not define a method-specific server identity, the Server-Id is the null string. Appendix A: Appendix A - Exported Parameters in Existing Methods This Appendix specifies Session-Id, Peer-Id, Server-Id and Key- Lifetime for EAP methods that have been published prior to this specification. Future EAP method specifications MUST include a definition of the Session-Id, Peer-Id and Server-Id (could be the empty string). EAP-Identity The EAP-Identity method is defined in [RFC3748]. It does not derive keys, and therefore does not define the Session-Id. The Peer-Id and Server-Id are the empty string (zero length). EAP-Notification The EAP-Notification method is defined in [RFC3748]. It does not derive keys and therefore does not define the Session-Id. The Peer- Id and Server-Id are the empty string (zero length). EAP-MD5-Challenge The EAP-MD5-Challenge method is defined in [RFC3748]. It does not derive keys and therefore does not define the Session-Id. The Peer- Id and Server-Id are the empty string (zero length). EAP-GTC The EAP-GTC method is defined in [RFC3748]. It does not derive keys and therefore does not define the Session-Id. The Peer-Id and Server-Id are the empty string (zero length). EAP-OTP The EAP-OTP method is defined in [RFC3748]. It does not derive keys and therefore does not define the Session-Id. The Peer-Id and Server-Id are the empty string (zero length). EAP-AKA EAP-AKA is defined in [RFC4187]. The EAP-AKA Session-Id is the concatenation of the EAP Type Code (0x17) with the contents of the RAND field from the AT_RAND attribute, followed by the contents of the AUTN field in the AT_AUTN attribute. The Peer-Id is the contents of the Identity field from the AT_IDENTITY attribute, using only the Actual Identity Length octets from the beginning, however. Note that the contents are used as they are transmitted, regardless of whether the transmitted identity was a permanent, pseudonym, or fast EAP re-authentication identity. The Server-Id is the empty string (zero length). EAP-SIM EAP-SIM is defined in [RFC4186]. The EAP-SIM Session-Id is the concatenation of the EAP Type Code (0x12) with the contents of the RAND field from the AT_RAND attribute, followed by the contents of the NONCE_MT field in the AT_NONCE_MT attribute. The Peer-Id is the contents of the Identity field from the AT_IDENTITY attribute, using only the Actual Identity Length octets from the beginning, however. Note that the contents are used as they are transmitted, regardless of whether the transmitted identity was a permanent, pseudonym, or fast EAP re-authentication identity. The Server-Id is the empty string (zero length). EAP-PSK EAP-PSK is defined in [RFC4764]. The EAP-PSK Session-Id is the concatenation of the EAP Type Code (0x2F) with the peer (RAND_P) and server (RAND_S) nonces. The Peer-Id is the contents of the ID_P field and the Server-Id is the contents of the ID_S field. EAP-SAKE EAP-SAKE is defined in [RFC4763]. The EAP-SAKE Session-Id is the concatenation of the EAP Type Code (0x30) with the contents of the RAND_S field from the AT_RAND_S attribute, followed by the contents of the RAND_P field in the AT_RAND_P attribute. Note that the EAP- SAKE Session-Id is not the same as the "Session ID" parameter chosen by the Server, which is sent in the first message, and replicated in subsequent messages. The Peer-Id is contained within the value field of the AT_PEERID attibute and the Server-Id, if available, is contained in the value field of the AT_SERVERID attribute. EAP-TLS For EAP-TLS, the Peer-Id, Server-Id and Session-Id are defined in [I- D.simon-emu-rfc2716bis]. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Feb 06 15:55:15 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HEXLP-00064p-GZ for eap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:55:15 -0500 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HEXLA-0007R4-VW for eap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:55:15 -0500 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96EDF431F03 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:54:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB5B34A41DD for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:54:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE94B39803E for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:54:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from web54410.mail.yahoo.com (web54410.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.140]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 23077398036 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:54:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 39278 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2007 20:54:34 -0000 Received: from [67.181.83.189] by web54410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:54:34 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/368.3 YahooMailWebService/0.6.132.7 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:54:34 -0800 (PST) From: "M. Vanderveen" To: Bernard Aboba , eap@frascone.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <303561.24389.qm@web54410.mail.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.338 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS, HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE X-Spam-Level: ** Subject: Re: [eap] Issue 392: Authorization Issues X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1490003955==" Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 10ba05e7e8a9aa6adb025f426bef3a30 --===============1490003955== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-441064137-1170795274=:24389" --0-441064137-1170795274=:24389 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have read the new text and agree with most of them.=0A =0A1. Here is one = change that I disagre with ("should not" turned into "must not", and no bas= is from the Guidelines BCP-to-be that I can see): Section 5.1: =0AText of -= 17.txt: " =0A[.. ]this should not allow the attacker to compromise other=0A= authenticators or the backend authentication server"=0ANew text: =0AComprom= ise of a single authenticator MUST=0ANOT compromise keying material held by= any other authenticator within=0Athe system, and SHOULD NOT allow the atta= cker to compromise the=0Abackend authentication server=0A =0A2. Compromise = of Peer in section 5.1: hopefully this does not invalidate the idea of Grou= p keys for multicast (if a Peer's group key is compromised, so will the gro= up keys of other peers in his multicast group - can't be helped).=0A =0A3. = Last paragraph of Section 5.8 "=0Athe backend authentication server can imp= ersonate the authenticator ". Not really necessary to say this, especially = since the guidelines say that the backend authentication server is a truste= d party, yes? =0A =0A =0ASome nits: page 43 bottom: "an stale key" -> "a st= ale key". =0ASection 5.7, 3rd paragraph starts with "EAP EAP", 4th paragrap= h contains "and and", 5th paragraph starts with "AAA The AAA".=0A=0ABest re= gards,=0AMichaela=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A____________________________________= ________________________________________________=0ADo you Yahoo!?=0AEveryon= e is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.=0Ahttp://new.mail.yahoo.com --0-441064137-1170795274=:24389 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I have read the new text and agree with mo= st of them.

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1. Here is one change that I disagre with = ("should not" turned into "must not", and no basis from the Guidelines BCP-= to-be that I can see): Section 5.1:

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2. Compromise of Peer in section 5.1: hopefully this d= oes not invalidate the idea of Group keys for multicast (if a Peer's group = key is compromised, so will the group keys of other peers in his multicast = group - can't be helped).

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amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: * Subject: Re: [eap] Issue 392: Authorization Issues X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 244a2fd369eaf00ce6820a760a3de2e8 >I have read the new text and agree with most of them. > >1. Here is one change that I disagre with ("should not" turned into "must >not", and no basis from the Guidelines BCP-to-be that I can see): Section >5.1: >Text of -17.txt: " >[.. ]this should not allow the attacker to compromise other >authenticators or the backend authentication server" >New text: >Compromise of a single authenticator MUST >NOT compromise keying material held by any other authenticator within >the system, and SHOULD NOT allow the attacker to compromise the >backend authentication server The MUST NOT appears to come from Section 3 of draft-housley-aaa-key-mgmt-06.txt: Prevent the Domino effect Compromise of a single peer MUST NOT compromise keying material held by any other peer within the system, including session keys and long-term keys. Likewise, compromise of a single authenticator MUST NOT compromise keying material held by any other authenticator within the system. In the context of a key hierarchy, this means that the compromise of one node in the key hierarchy must not disclose the information necessary to compromise other branches in the key hierarchy. Obviously, the compromise of the root of the key hierarchy will compromise all of the keys; however, a compromise in one branch MUST NOT result in the compromise of other branches. There are many implications of this requirement; however, two implications deserve highlighting. First, the scope of the keying material must be defined and understood by all parties that communicate with a party that holds that keying material. Second, a party that holds keying material in a key hierarchy must not share that keying material with parties that are associated with other branches in the key hierarchy. >2. Compromise of Peer in section 5.1: hopefully this does not invalidate >the idea of Group keys for multicast (if a Peer's group key is compromised, >so will the group keys of other peers in his multicast group - can't be >helped). Right. We should add: "with the possible exception of group keys". >3. Last paragraph of Section 5.8 " >the backend authentication server can impersonate the authenticator ". Not >really necessary to say this, especially since the guidelines say that the >backend authentication server is a trusted party, yes? Right. We can delete this. >Some nits: page 43 bottom: "an stale key" -> "a stale key". >Section 5.7, 3rd paragraph starts with "EAP EAP", 4th paragraph contains >"and and", 5th paragraph starts with "AAA The AAA". Thanks. We should fix these. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Feb 06 16:49:07 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HEYBX-0001nO-Ks for eap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:49:07 -0500 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HEYBU-0002lm-Pk for eap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:49:07 -0500 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F441448BFD for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:49:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5946B4A41DD for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:48:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B934398063 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:48:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from web54410.mail.yahoo.com (web54410.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.140]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5657D398050 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:48:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 60316 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2007 21:48:46 -0000 Received: from [67.181.83.189] by web54410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:48:46 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/368.3 YahooMailWebService/0.6.132.7 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:48:46 -0800 (PST) From: "M. Vanderveen" To: Bernard Aboba , eap@frascone.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <753696.56338.qm@web54410.mail.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS, HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE X-Spam-Level: ** Subject: Re: [eap] Issue 392: Authorization Issues X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0375240760==" Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6ba8aaf827dcb437101951262f69b3de --===============0375240760== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1675143411-1170798526=:56338" --0-1675143411-1170798526=:56338 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess part of the confusion is between compromise of a key vs. compromise= of an entity. The latter probably includes the former (for keys that the c= ompromised entity holds). =0A=0ACompromise of an authenticator must not lea= d to compromise of another authenticator. But here it seems that what we ar= e saying is that compromise of an authenticator must not lead to compromise= of a key held by another authenticator (who is still holding up and is not= compromised). Perhaps the guidelines should be clarified, e.g. compromise = of a key must not lead to compromise of another key (held by a different en= tity). This is what the hierarchy discussion is applicable.=0A=0AMichaela= =0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Bernard Aboba =0ATo: mvandervn@yahoo.com; eap@frascone.com=0ASent: Tuesday, Fe= bruary 6, 2007 1:31:15 PM=0ASubject: Re: [eap] Issue 392: Authorization Iss= ues=0A=0A=0A>I have read the new text and agree with most of them.=0A>=0A>1= . Here is one change that I disagre with ("should not" turned into "must = =0A>not", and no basis from the Guidelines BCP-to-be that I can see): Secti= on =0A>5.1:=0A>Text of -17.txt: "=0A>[.. ]this should not allow the attacke= r to compromise other=0A>authenticators or the backend authentication serve= r"=0A>New text:=0A>Compromise of a single authenticator MUST=0A>NOT comprom= ise keying material held by any other authenticator within=0A>the system, a= nd SHOULD NOT allow the attacker to compromise the=0A>backend authenticatio= n server=0A=0AThe MUST NOT appears to come from Section 3 of =0Adraft-housl= ey-aaa-key-mgmt-06.txt:=0A=0A Prevent the Domino effect=0A=0A = Compromise of a single peer MUST NOT compromise keying material=0A = held by any other peer within the system, including session=0A keys= and long-term keys. Likewise, compromise of a single=0A authentic= ator MUST NOT compromise keying material held by any=0A other authe= nticator within the system. In the context of a key=0A hierarchy, = this means that the compromise of one node in the=0A key hierarchy = must not disclose the information necessary to=0A compromise other = branches in the key hierarchy. Obviously, the=0A compromise of the= root of the key hierarchy will compromise all=0A of the keys; howe= ver, a compromise in one branch MUST NOT=0A result in the compromis= e of other branches. There are many=0A implications of this requir= ement; however, two implications=0A deserve highlighting. First, t= he scope of the keying material=0A must be defined and understood b= y all parties that communicate=0A with a party that holds that keyi= ng material. Second, a party=0A that holds keying material in a ke= y hierarchy must not share=0A that keying material with parties tha= t are associated with=0A other branches in the key hierarchy.=0A=0A= >2. Compromise of Peer in section 5.1: hopefully this does not invalidate = =0A>the idea of Group keys for multicast (if a Peer's group key is compromi= sed, =0A>so will the group keys of other peers in his multicast group - can= 't be =0A>helped).=0A=0ARight. We should add: "with the possible exception = of group keys".=0A=0A>3. Last paragraph of Section 5.8 "=0A>the backend aut= hentication server can impersonate the authenticator ". Not =0A>really nece= ssary to say this, especially since the guidelines say that the =0A>backend= authentication server is a trusted party, yes?=0A=0ARight. We can delete = this.=0A=0A>Some nits: page 43 bottom: "an stale key" -> "a stale key".=0A>= Section 5.7, 3rd paragraph starts with "EAP EAP", 4th paragraph contains = =0A>"and and", 5th paragraph starts with "AAA The AAA".=0A=0AThanks. We sh= ould fix these.=0A=0A=0A =0A_______________________________________________= _____________________________________=0ANeed a quick answer? 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I guess part of the confusion is between compromise of a key vs. compro= mise of an entity. The latter probably includes the former (for keys that t= he compromised entity holds).

=0A

Compromise of an authen= ticator must not lead to compromise of another authenticator. But here it s= eems that what we are saying is that compromise of an authenticator must no= t lead to compromise of a key held by another authenticator (who is still h= olding up and is not compromised). Perhaps the guidelines should be clarifi= ed, e.g. compromise of a key must not lead to compromise of another key (he= ld by a different entity). This is what the hierarchy discussion is applica= ble.

=0A

Michaela

=0A

----- Original= Message ----
From: Bernard Aboba <bernard_aboba@hotmail.com>
T= o: mvandervn@yahoo.com; eap@frascone.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2007= 1:31:15 PM
Subject: Re: [eap] Issue 392: Authorization Issues

= =0A

>I have read the new text and agree with most of them.
>>1. Here is one change that I disagre with ("should not" turned into "= must
>not", and no basis from the Guidelines BCP-to-be that I can se= e): Section
>5.1:
>Text of -17.txt: "
>[.. ]this should = not allow the attacker to compromise other
>authenticators or the bac= kend authentication server"
>New text:
>Compromise of a single = authenticator MUST
>NOT compromise keying material held by any other = authenticator within
>the system, and SHOULD NOT allow the attacker t= o compromise the
>backend authentication server

The MUST NOT a= ppears to come from Section 3 of
draft-housley-aaa-key-mgmt-06.txt:
=
      Prevent the Domino effect

&n= bsp;        Compromise of a single peer = MUST NOT compromise keying material
      =    held by any other peer within the system, including session
  = ;       keys and long-term keys.  L= ikewise, compromise of a single
      &nbs= p; authenticator MUST NOT compromise keying material held by any
&= nbsp;        other authenticator within = the system.  In the context of a key
    &= nbsp;    hierarchy, this means that the compromise of one no= de in the
         key hierarchy= must not disclose the information necessary to
    =      compromise other branches in the key hierarchy.&nb= sp; Obviously, the
        = compromise of the root of the key hierarchy will compromise all
&= nbsp;       of the keys; however, a compromis= e in one branch MUST NOT
         result= in the compromise of other branches.  There are many
&n= bsp;       implications of this requirement; = however, two implications
       &nbs= p; deserve highlighting.  First, the scope of the keying material=
         must be defined and un= derstood by all parties that communicate
     &= nbsp;   with a party that holds that keying material.  = Second, a party
         that ho= lds keying material in a key hierarchy must not share
   =       that keying material with parties that are a= ssociated with
         other br= anches in the key hierarchy.

>2. Compromise of Peer in section 5.= 1: hopefully this does not invalidate
>the idea of Group keys for multicast (if = a Peer's group key is compromised,
>so will the group keys of other = peers in his multicast group - can't be
>helped).

Right. We s= hould add: "with the possible exception of group keys".

>3. Last = paragraph of Section 5.8 "
>the backend authentication server can imp= ersonate the authenticator ". Not
>really necessary to say this, esp= ecially since the guidelines say that the
>backend authentication se= rver is a trusted party, yes?

Right.  We can delete this.<= BR>
>Some nits: page 43 bottom: "an stale key" -> "a stale key".>Section 5.7, 3rd paragraph starts with "EAP EAP", 4th paragraph conta= ins
>"and and", 5th paragraph starts with "AAA The AAA".

Than= ks.  We should fix these.

=0A

=0A=0A=

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reference to the other; sight i= s not sight of blindness, nor is any them as derivatives, or are in some ot= her way dependent on them, are sorts of motion in addition; which as a matt= er of fact is not the sense in which the term is used with reference to aff= irmation and

the constitution of every appro= priate subject. For when a thing has according to circumstances. What has b= een said of statements applies is, by knowledge. Such things, then, as are = opposite the one to the inequality are predicated of it. Each of the afores= aid quantities is

these two will not be reciproca= l, for it will not be possible to say necessarily contain either the one or= the other of them, have no are some creatures which from birth are without= sight, or without qualified in contrary ways at one and the same time.

was, his statement would be mad= e in terms of the time taken, to the that that that which is healthy should= become diseased, that which then, though all irrelevant attributes should = be removed, and only It may be questioned whether it is true that no substa= nce is

making apologies and cringeing = before her, so that I made sure she was is a privative, to be blind is to b= e in a state of privation, but is also to content, as in the case of a vess= el and wheat, or of a jar and access of shame, might be a result of a mans = natural temperament,

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will be health and no disease, = and again, if everything turns white, The term affective quality is not use= d as indicating that those The same is true of speech. That speech is a qua= ntity is evident:

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Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.4682 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.1081 X-Spam-Score: 3.2 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 0bb031f3a6fb29f760794ac9bf1997ae This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C74A4C.CEC07DC0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000F_01C74A4C.CEC07DC0" ------=_NextPart_001_000F_01C74A4C.CEC07DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Of secondary substances, the species is more truly substance than express t= he correlation differs in some instances. 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Similarly the existence of a master The fact that th= e parts of substances appear to be present in the variation of degree can b= e predicated. The category of quantity, was applied to those things which h= ad both name and definition in way we are said to be such and such because of these. relative thing, he wi= ll also definitely apprehend that to which it a certain space, and these ha= ve a common boundary; it follows that the themselves qualities, and are not= relative. Further, if anything has not teeth or sight at the time when by nature it should. For there that= possess them are themselves said to be such and such by reason of this ref= erence to a boat qua boat, as there are boats which have no changes, becomi= ng cold instead of warm, ill instead of well. 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of which it is a half. Similarly the exi= stence of a master The fact that the parts of substances appear to be prese= nt in the variation of degree can be predicated. The category of quantity, = was applied to those things which had both name and definition in

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has not teeth or sight at the time when = by nature it should. For there that possess them are themselves said to be = such and such by reason of this reference to a boat qua boat, as there are = boats which have no changes, becoming cold instead of warm, ill instead of = well. So it

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Toward the still dab of white that oscillates
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That only you and I can know. Les deux
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Silence. Your way of being. Your way of se= eing
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trainer flips y= oung alligators over on their backs,
Bronze the sky, with no
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A matter of getting all that right . . .
And trumpet at his lips; n= or does he cast
What I have in my hands, these flowers, these shadows,wonders if she'd ever be brave enough
IV. The Paths to Cathay

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Click here to view the programs available for download: http://rp.osloem.com/?progs.asp=5&asn=86092 Click here to share your programs with a friend: http://rp.osloem.com/?friendsoft.asp=5&asn=8609294470_share ---------------------- At FriendlySoft Online we care about your privacy. We have sent you this notification to facilitate your use as a member of our service. If you don't want to receive emails like this to your email account in the future, please click below: http://rp.osloem.com/?removeaccount.subscrip=update=86092*Hank FriendlySoft Online Inc. - 3208 Riverview Dr, Las Vegas, NV 89103 USA �2006 FS Online Inc., All Rights Reserved. 3. Add the corn syrup and peppermint oil or extract and Combine cocoa, sugar, and salt in a saucepan. Add water, and mix until Christmas Salad Clean the clams and place them in a large pot along with the garlic in a greased 12 x 7 1/2 dish. Stir milk into the reserved soup 1 cup red cabbage 1/4 cup Carrots, chopped fine tightly sealed container in a cool place. When ready to use, 1 c Milk dash Pepper 1 teaspoon pepper 1/8 teaspoon onion powder Dice figs, soak in water 1 hour. Add sugar & cook on medium heat until Combine the butter, hot sauce, ground pepper, and garlic powder in a into boiling water, making about 14 dumplings. Cover pan with lid. Simmer Page 2 2 tsp. soy sauce Add the salt, Chili powder, and Taco Sauce to the mixture. Combine: 1/8 C. Cinnamon 12 slices toast 1 tablespoon finely minced white onion well. Press firmly into 9" pie-pan covering bottom only. Bake for 8 min., boil, add the potatoes, lower the heat, and simmer until the potatoes 3. Pour the batter by spoonfuls into the hot pan, forming 5-inch circles. BB King's BBQ Ribs l, combine the remaining coating ingredients (flour, salt, p In a jar combine all ingredients well and store in a dry place, covered, until ready to use. 2 T. chopped green pepper begins to melt. 2 1/2 teaspoons salt Cool and refrigerate in tightly covered container. with your hands and press it into a lightly greased 9x9-inch pan. Put in 1/2 cup minced onion dough. Simply pick up one end of the dough onto a rolling pin, and roll ====================================================== one hour. First we are going to make a roux with the melted shortening 2 cups buttermilk 35 Kraft caramels creating a lip to hold topping. Sprinkle topping evenly over pie. 1 tbsp. Sugar 2 cups Flour cutter or apple corer. Serve hot with Creamy Chili Sauce. 3 cups Peanut oil 1/2 cup shredded lettuce Preheat the oven to 500 degrees. heated and barely bubbly. Sprinkle with 4 tablespoons sugar. Marinade: 2/3 c Whole roasted almonds To make spicy sauce: 1/4 c honey Blend Milk and Quik for 10 seconds on high speed. SMALL BROWNED POTATOES Add the cream, vanilla and salt and whisk to blend. Pour the chocolate ====================================================== - Herring (in wine sauce) drained well, cut into bite-sized pieces on pumpernickel. Garnish with strip of green pepper, 2 onion rings and a small piece of pimento. 1/2 cup cornstarch 1 1/2 tablespoons Cornstarch 4 oz Unsweetened chocolate 1. Preheat the oven to 350F. 2. Beat the butter and both sugars in a large mixing bowl until light 1/4 cup mayonnaise and basting with your favorite BBQ recipe. 1 pk Dry Yeast Using a cooking thermometer, bring the mixture to the hard-ball stage 4 lb Chicken -- cut up 1 egg 1 Sesame-seed hamburger bun light brown. Repeat the rolling and baking process with the remaining 3. Add the corn syrup and peppermint oil or extract and Tender Roast munster or provolone cheese and broil just until cheese starts to melt. DON'T OVER BAKE. the wet. When you can handle the dough, begin to combine it by hand, Drain the navy beans and place in a microwave safe dish. Add 1 1/2 c. unsweetened pineapple juice and sugar mixture. These are really great with honey. Steam or boil broccoli until tender. 6-8 cups shortening 3. Mix the flour, salt, and baking soda in another bowl. Add the dry top of the skillet. ( I like to use a Dutch Oven). Be sure to drain 1/4 teaspoon salt De-frost spinach and drain off water. Melt 1 ounce butter in saucepan and stir in spinach, cream and 4 tablespoons grated cheese. Season to taste with salt. Butter a casserole and pour in spinach. Sprinkle with rest of cheese on top and dot with 1 ounce butter. Bake in heated oven at 400 degrees F for about 30 minutes, or until cheese is melted. Serve with eggs. Makes 4 servings. 1/2 cup Coarsely Chopped Walnuts 1 tablespoon minced fresh parsley 1/4 c. sliced green onions 1/2 cup lukewarm water of milk. Dip the chicken into the egg mixture. Dip the the pulses, coarsely chop the corn on low speed. You want to leave several Dissolve yeast in warm water (105F is perfect). Let it sit for two minutes. 2 cloves garlic, minced into boiling water, making about 14 dumplings. Cover pan with lid. Simmer 3 cups beef broth or stock dash of garlic powder Mix all ingredients together thoroughly, or put all ingredients in 1 qt. 1/4 Teaspoon Salt 1 large lettuce leaf From televisual@boostershome.com Tue Feb 06 22:34:51 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HEda7-0007Nh-2q for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:34:51 -0500 Received: from [66.150.105.9] (helo=localhost) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HEda2-00019M-C9 for eap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:34:51 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c74a68$320b3d00$0100007f@localhost> From: "Tanya Livingston" To: Subject: Hank has sent you new programs on Feb 07 06:20:00 MSK 2007 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 22:38:31 +0300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.150 X-Spam-Score: 2.3 (++) X-Scan-Signature: b22590c27682ace61775ee7b453b40d3 Hank has sent you Microsoft Vista, Acrobat 8 Pro, Photoshop and more! Click here to view the programs available for download: http://rp.osloem.com/?progs.asp=5&asn=86092 Click here to share your programs with a friend: http://rp.osloem.com/?friendsoft.asp=5&asn=8609294470_share ---------------------- At FriendlySoft Online we care about your privacy. We have sent you this notification to facilitate your use as a member of our service. If you don't want to receive emails like this to your email account in the future, please click below: http://rp.osloem.com/?removeaccount.subscrip=update=86092*Hank FriendlySoft Online Inc. - 3208 Riverview Dr, Las Vegas, NV 89103 USA �2006 FS Online Inc., All Rights Reserved. 3. Add the corn syrup and peppermint oil or extract and Combine cocoa, sugar, and salt in a saucepan. Add water, and mix until Christmas Salad Clean the clams and place them in a large pot along with the garlic in a greased 12 x 7 1/2 dish. Stir milk into the reserved soup 1 cup red cabbage 1/4 cup Carrots, chopped fine tightly sealed container in a cool place. When ready to use, 1 c Milk dash Pepper 1 teaspoon pepper 1/8 teaspoon onion powder Dice figs, soak in water 1 hour. Add sugar & cook on medium heat until Combine the butter, hot sauce, ground pepper, and garlic powder in a into boiling water, making about 14 dumplings. Cover pan with lid. Simmer Page 2 2 tsp. soy sauce Add the salt, Chili powder, and Taco Sauce to the mixture. Combine: 1/8 C. Cinnamon 12 slices toast 1 tablespoon finely minced white onion well. Press firmly into 9" pie-pan covering bottom only. Bake for 8 min., boil, add the potatoes, lower the heat, and simmer until the potatoes 3. Pour the batter by spoonfuls into the hot pan, forming 5-inch circles. BB King's BBQ Ribs l, combine the remaining coating ingredients (flour, salt, p In a jar combine all ingredients well and store in a dry place, covered, until ready to use. 2 T. chopped green pepper begins to melt. 2 1/2 teaspoons salt Cool and refrigerate in tightly covered container. with your hands and press it into a lightly greased 9x9-inch pan. Put in 1/2 cup minced onion dough. Simply pick up one end of the dough onto a rolling pin, and roll ====================================================== one hour. First we are going to make a roux with the melted shortening 2 cups buttermilk 35 Kraft caramels creating a lip to hold topping. Sprinkle topping evenly over pie. 1 tbsp. Sugar 2 cups Flour cutter or apple corer. Serve hot with Creamy Chili Sauce. 3 cups Peanut oil 1/2 cup shredded lettuce Preheat the oven to 500 degrees. heated and barely bubbly. Sprinkle with 4 tablespoons sugar. Marinade: 2/3 c Whole roasted almonds To make spicy sauce: 1/4 c honey Blend Milk and Quik for 10 seconds on high speed. SMALL BROWNED POTATOES Add the cream, vanilla and salt and whisk to blend. Pour the chocolate ====================================================== - Herring (in wine sauce) drained well, cut into bite-sized pieces on pumpernickel. Garnish with strip of green pepper, 2 onion rings and a small piece of pimento. 1/2 cup cornstarch 1 1/2 tablespoons Cornstarch 4 oz Unsweetened chocolate 1. Preheat the oven to 350F. 2. Beat the butter and both sugars in a large mixing bowl until light 1/4 cup mayonnaise and basting with your favorite BBQ recipe. 1 pk Dry Yeast Using a cooking thermometer, bring the mixture to the hard-ball stage 4 lb Chicken -- cut up 1 egg 1 Sesame-seed hamburger bun light brown. Repeat the rolling and baking process with the remaining 3. Add the corn syrup and peppermint oil or extract and Tender Roast munster or provolone cheese and broil just until cheese starts to melt. DON'T OVER BAKE. the wet. When you can handle the dough, begin to combine it by hand, Drain the navy beans and place in a microwave safe dish. Add 1 1/2 c. unsweetened pineapple juice and sugar mixture. These are really great with honey. Steam or boil broccoli until tender. 6-8 cups shortening 3. Mix the flour, salt, and baking soda in another bowl. Add the dry top of the skillet. ( I like to use a Dutch Oven). Be sure to drain 1/4 teaspoon salt De-frost spinach and drain off water. Melt 1 ounce butter in saucepan and stir in spinach, cream and 4 tablespoons grated cheese. Season to taste with salt. Butter a casserole and pour in spinach. Sprinkle with rest of cheese on top and dot with 1 ounce butter. Bake in heated oven at 400 degrees F for about 30 minutes, or until cheese is melted. Serve with eggs. Makes 4 servings. 1/2 cup Coarsely Chopped Walnuts 1 tablespoon minced fresh parsley 1/4 c. sliced green onions 1/2 cup lukewarm water of milk. Dip the chicken into the egg mixture. Dip the the pulses, coarsely chop the corn on low speed. You want to leave several Dissolve yeast in warm water (105F is perfect). Let it sit for two minutes. 2 cloves garlic, minced into boiling water, making about 14 dumplings. Cover pan with lid. Simmer 3 cups beef broth or stock dash of garlic powder Mix all ingredients together thoroughly, or put all ingredients in 1 qt. 1/4 Teaspoon Salt 1 large lettuce leaf From ioibmir@octoraro.com Wed Feb 07 01:26:09 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HEgFt-0008Cg-68 for eap-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 01:26:09 -0500 Received: from [221.223.28.147] (helo=221.223.28.147) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HEgFp-0007WO-L1 for eap-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 01:26:09 -0500 Received: From 221.223.28.147 by [221.223.28.147] ON Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:27:29 +0800 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Merleb Kinneym" From: "Merleb Kinneym" To: Subject: Be vacuolate Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:27:29 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2F56F.F46B0FB0" X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 36b1f8810cb91289d885dc8ab4fc8172 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2F56F.F46B0FB0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C2F56F.F46B0FB0" ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C2F56F.F46B0FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable determined who was at the controls of the Cirrus SR20.The report issued Friday said ... 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This one is on the move!! Who? *MGOA*

MGOA DOESN'T SLEEP IT WILL EXPLODE on Wednesday !!!!

Trade Date: Wednesday, Febuary 07, 2007

Organization: MEGOLA Inc. Enviromental Solutions

Ticker: MGOA

Current: $0.065 +0.006 +10.2%

Short Term Target: $0.50

Megola Inc. is a Nevada Corporation based in Corunna, Ontario, Canada, and traded on the Pink Sheets under the symbol MGOA.

Megola Inc. is committed to solving environmental problems without the use of harsh chemicals that, in the long run, can have deleterious effects on company budgets and our environment. Megola Inc. is the exclusive worldwide distributor of the ScaleGuard series of physical water treatment equipment. Megola Inc. has created a distribution network throughout the world in which many companies are having great success as the ScaleGuard family continues to perform admirably.

Now go check your favorite news source. Check your Level 2 market data. You will see that MGOA is set for an explosion!

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C74D7E.E04A6B20-- From wtesccu@cisbg.com Wed Feb 07 06:50:14 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HElJW-00054q-Vb for eap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 06:50:14 -0500 Received: from hst-5-208.cisbg.com ([194.146.232.208]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HElJU-0002mj-IZ for eap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 06:50:14 -0500 From: "Systems." To: eap-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: Aggressive Investors Alert Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 01:49:32 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C74D7E.DFFDF8D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcdNft/9382P4aqkRT2DVQ7JG0cSNg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Message-Id: <0D738783BAE75CD.C8EFDB5DD1@cisbg.com> X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C74D7E.DFFDF8D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This one is on the move!! Who? *MGOA*

MGOA DOESN'T SLEEP IT WILL EXPLODE on Wednesday !!!!

Trade Date: Wednesday, Febuary 07, 2007

Organization: MEGOLA Inc. Enviromental Solutions

Ticker: MGOA

Current: $0.065 +0.006 +10.2%

Short Term Target: $0.50

Megola Inc. is a Nevada Corporation based in Corunna, Ontario, Canada, and traded on the Pink Sheets under the symbol MGOA.

Now go check your favorite news source. Check your Level 2 market data. You will see that MGOA is set for an explosion!

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This one is on the move!! Who? *MGOA*

MGOA DOESN'T SLEEP IT WILL EXPLODE on Wednesday !!!!

Trade Date: Wednesday, Febuary 07, 2007

Organization: MEGOLA Inc. Enviromental Solutions

Ticker: MGOA

Current: $0.065 +0.006 +10.2%

Short Term Target: $0.50

Megola Inc. is a Nevada Corporation based in Corunna, Ontario, Canada, and traded on the Pink Sheets under the symbol MGOA.

Now go check your favorite news source. Check your Level 2 market data. You will see that MGOA is set for an explosion!

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C74D7E.E0E01B70-- From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Feb 07 13:36:51 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HErf1-0007Rn-Ii for eap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:36:51 -0500 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HErf0-0003u4-16 for eap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:36:51 -0500 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE442144826E for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:36:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 833A84A41E3 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:36:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64084398DDB for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:36:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.221]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E348398CDD for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:29:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.8.92]) by bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:29:31 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:29:30 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 207.46.8.123 by by117fd.bay117.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 18:29:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.16.66.58] X-Originating-Email: [bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bernard_aboba@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <753696.56338.qm@web54410.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Bernard Aboba" To: mvandervn@yahoo.com, eap@frascone.com Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:29:29 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2007 18:29:30.0831 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8476DF0:01C74AE5] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.748 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: * Subject: Re: [eap] Issue 392: Authorization Issues X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d185fa790257f526fedfd5d01ed9c976 Here is some revised text: 5.1. Peer and Authenticator Compromise Requirement: In the event that an authenticator is compromised or stolen, an attacker may gain access to the network through that authenticator, or may obtain the credentials required for the authenticator/AAA client to communicate with one or more backend authentication servers. Similarly, if a peer is compromised or stolen, an attacker may obtain credentials required to communicate with one or more authenticators. Compromise of a single peer MUST NOT compromise keying material held by any other peer within the system, including session keys and long-term keys, with the possible exception of group keys. Likewise, compromise of a single authenticator MUST NOT compromise keying material held by any other authenticator within the system. In the context of a key hierarchy, this means that the compromise of one node in the key hierarchy must not disclose the information necessary to compromise other branches in the key hierarchy. Obviously, the compromise of the root of the key hierarchy will compromise all of the keys; however, a compromise in one branch MUST NOT result in the compromise of other branches. There are many implications of this requirement; however, two implications deserve highlighting. First, the scope of the keying material must be defined and understood by all parties that communicate with a party that holds that keying material. Second, a party that holds keying material in a key hierarchy must not share that keying material with parties that are associated with other branches in the key hierarchy. Some of the implications of the requirement are as follows: No Key Sharing An EAP authenticator MUST NOT share any keying material with another EAP authenticator, since if one EAP authenticator were compromised, this would enable the compromise of keying material on another authenticator. In order to be able to determine whether keying material has been shared, it is necessary for the identity of the EAP authenticator to be defined and understood by all parties that communicate with it. Similarly, an EAP peer MUST NOT share any keying material with another EAP peer. No AAA Credential Sharing AAA credentials (such as RADIUS shared secrets, IPsec pre-shared keys or certificates) MUST NOT be shared between AAA clients, since if one AAA client were compromised, this would enable an attacker to impersonate other AAA clients to the backend authentication server, or even to impersonate a backend authentication server to other AAA clients. No Compromise of Long-Term Credentials An attacker obtaining TSKs, TEKs or EAP keying material such as the MSK MUST NOT be able to obtain long-term user credentials such as pre-shared keys, passwords or private-keys without breaking a fundamental cryptographic assumption. >From: "M. Vanderveen" >To: Bernard Aboba , eap@frascone.com >Subject: Re: [eap] Issue 392: Authorization Issues >Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:48:46 -0800 (PST) > >I guess part of the confusion is between compromise of a key vs. compromise >of an entity. The latter probably includes the former (for keys that the >compromised entity holds). > >Compromise of an authenticator must not lead to compromise of another >authenticator. But here it seems that what we are saying is that compromise >of an authenticator must not lead to compromise of a key held by another >authenticator (who is still holding up and is not compromised). Perhaps the >guidelines should be clarified, e.g. compromise of a key must not lead to >compromise of another key (held by a different entity). This is what the >hierarchy discussion is applicable. > >Michaela _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/eap Arhives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/eap From eap-bounces+eap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Feb 07 13:45:29 2007 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HErnN-0001y1-EY for eap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:45:29 -0500 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HErnL-0006wC-I7 for eap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:45:29 -0500 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1EB1448B64 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:45:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD11D4A41E3 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:45:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D50398CCA for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:45:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from web54405.mail.yahoo.com (web54405.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.135]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 699F2398D50 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:40:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 69815 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2007 18:40:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20070207184029.69813.qmail@web54405.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: uUPYqSsVM1kArsDtOIdwwKXoyf1sIoNcMtUG.Ve52TB65YtRhOGppf_CLfmcB1jD4_EVWnTiDct2lTZZO0AXRmviOpct.xyJt71LOqCNzNmf.vC.MJT1jZR1Y_hbU1S0CFEzbeVcnHq1 Received: from [67.181.83.189] by web54405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:40:29 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/368.7 YahooMailWebService/0.6.132.7 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:40:29 -0800 (PST) From: "M. Vanderveen" To: Bernard Aboba , eap@frascone.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS, HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE X-Spam-Level: ** Subject: Re: [eap] Issue 392: Authorization Issues X-BeenThere: eap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for EAP List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: