From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Sun Mar 16 15:40:00 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA06896 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:40:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2GKu2m22433 for sipping-emergency-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:56:02 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2GKu2O22430 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:56:02 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA06864 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2GKu1O22422 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:56:01 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2GKtxO22408 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:55:59 -0500 Received: from albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA06861 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt613.al.sw.ericsson.se (alteon-nat8.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.125]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.8/8.12.8/WIREfire-1.5) with ESMTP id h2GKfWB3010563; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:41:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from hendrix.lmf.ericsson.se ([131.160.11.8]) by esealnt613.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id GPH65R8K; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:41:32 +0100 Received: from lmf.ericsson.se (vrrch1-177024.am.ericsson.se [138.85.177.24]) by hendrix.lmf.ericsson.se (8.12.8/8.12.8/lmf-2.1-jcs) with ESMTP id h2GKfV6B006294; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:41:32 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3E74E190.2D3A5554@lmf.ericsson.se> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:41:52 +0200 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Gonzalo Camarillo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Emergency CC: jmpolk@cisco.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Sipping-emergency] [Fwd: Should we have a meeting?] Sender: sipping-emergency-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: sipping-emergency-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sipping-emergency@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James, you sent your mail to the admin mailing list. I am forwarding it to the regular mailing list. Gonzalo -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Should we have a meeting? Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:43:51 -0600 From: "James M. Polk" To: sipping-emergency-admin@ietf.org All Since I haven't seen this yet, I'll propose that we have a little get together to see if we can all get closer to the same page on this subject. I'll ask that the main part of Tuesday night is not the time chosen. I don't mind a 10:30pm Bar-BOF type meeting, but not earlier. If this is an acceptable idea, suggestions on when and where? cheers, James ************************************* "The road to destruction is well traveled and crowded, if you choose to get on that road, destruction will hit you head on" _______________________________________________ Sipping-emergency mailing list Sipping-emergency@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping-emergency From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Sun Mar 16 17:10:57 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA09895 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:10:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2GMR2m29852 for sipping-emergency-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:27:02 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2GMR2O29849 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:27:02 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA09889 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:10:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2GMR1O29836 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:27:01 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2GMQwO29814 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:26:58 -0500 Received: from dewberry.cc.columbia.edu (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA09884 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:10:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs.columbia.edu (wl-134-224.wireless.ietf56.ietf.org [130.129.134.224]) (user=hgs10 mech=PLAIN bits=0) by dewberry.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2GMCRGg004353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:12:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3E74F61A.5040005@cs.columbia.edu> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:09:30 -0500 From: Henning Schulzrinne Organization: Columbia University User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gonzalo Camarillo CC: Emergency , jmpolk@cisco.com Subject: Re: [Sipping-emergency] [Fwd: Should we have a meeting?] References: <3E74E190.2D3A5554@lmf.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <3E74E190.2D3A5554@lmf.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sipping-emergency-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: sipping-emergency-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sipping-emergency@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good idea. How about a lunch? Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: > James, > > All > > Since I haven't seen this yet, I'll propose that we have a little get > together to see if we can all get closer to the same page on this > subject. > > I'll ask that the main part of Tuesday night is not the time chosen. I > don't mind a 10:30pm Bar-BOF type meeting, but not earlier. > > If this is an acceptable idea, suggestions on when and where? > > cheers, > James > > ************************************* > "The road to destruction is well traveled and crowded, > if you choose to get on that road, destruction will hit you head on" > _______________________________________________ > Sipping-emergency mailing list > Sipping-emergency@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping-emergency _______________________________________________ Sipping-emergency mailing list Sipping-emergency@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping-emergency From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Mar 17 02:57:44 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA06254 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 02:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2H8E2811728 for sipping-emergency-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 03:14:02 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2H8E2O11725 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 03:14:02 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA06236 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 02:57:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2H8E1O11716 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 03:14:01 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2H8DIO11680 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 03:13:18 -0500 Received: from halt-in.cisco.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA06219 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 02:56:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from cisco.com (171.71.177.223) by halt-in.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Mar 2003 23:59:03 -0800 Received: from jmpolk-w2k01.diablo.cisco.com (ssh-sjc-1.cisco.com [171.68.225.134]) by wells.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with ESMTP id XAA19373; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:58:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030317015744.0504ce10@localhost> X-Sender: jmpolk@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 01:58:57 -0600 To: Henning Schulzrinne , Gonzalo Camarillo From: "James M. Polk" Subject: Re: [Sipping-emergency] [Fwd: Should we have a meeting?] Cc: Emergency In-Reply-To: <3E74F61A.5040005@cs.columbia.edu> References: <3E74E190.2D3A5554@lmf.ericsson.se> <3E74E190.2D3A5554@lmf.ericsson.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: sipping-emergency-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: sipping-emergency-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sipping-emergency@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , At 05:09 PM 3/16/2003 -0500, Henning Schulzrinne wrote: >Good idea. How about a lunch? Tuesday after Geopriv (1130)? >Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: >>James, > >>All >>Since I haven't seen this yet, I'll propose that we have a little get >>together to see if we can all get closer to the same page on this >>subject. >>I'll ask that the main part of Tuesday night is not the time chosen. I >>don't mind a 10:30pm Bar-BOF type meeting, but not earlier. >>If this is an acceptable idea, suggestions on when and where? >>cheers, >>James >> ************************************* >> "The road to destruction is well traveled and crowded, >>if you choose to get on that road, destruction will hit you head on" >>_______________________________________________ >>Sipping-emergency mailing list >>Sipping-emergency@ietf.org >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping-emergency > cheers, James ************************************* "The road to destruction is well traveled and crowded, if you choose to get on that road, destruction will hit you head on" _______________________________________________ Sipping-emergency mailing list Sipping-emergency@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping-emergency From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Mar 17 10:17:40 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA16668 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HFY5G07578 for sipping-emergency-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:34:05 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2HFY4O07575 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:34:04 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA16637 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:17:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2HFY3O07566 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:34:03 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2HFXmO07523 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:33:48 -0500 Received: from marionberry.cc.columbia.edu (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA16622 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:16:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs.columbia.edu (ca-71-247.wired.ietf56.ietf.org [130.129.71.247]) (user=hgs10 mech=PLAIN bits=0) by marionberry.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HFIfX9003980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:18:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3E75E69F.6030505@cs.columbia.edu> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:15:43 -0500 From: Henning Schulzrinne Organization: Columbia University User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "James M. Polk" CC: Gonzalo Camarillo , Emergency Subject: Re: [Sipping-emergency] [Fwd: Should we have a meeting?] References: <3E74E190.2D3A5554@lmf.ericsson.se> <3E74E190.2D3A5554@lmf.ericsson.se> <4.3.2.7.2.20030317015744.0504ce10@localhost> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030317015744.0504ce10@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sipping-emergency-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: sipping-emergency-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sipping-emergency@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Works for me. James M. Polk wrote: > At 05:09 PM 3/16/2003 -0500, Henning Schulzrinne wrote: > >> Good idea. How about a lunch? > > > Tuesday after Geopriv (1130)? _______________________________________________ Sipping-emergency mailing list Sipping-emergency@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping-emergency From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Mar 17 12:19:33 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA21166 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HHa1t17304 for sipping-emergency-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:36:01 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2HHa1O17301 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:36:01 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA21140 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:19:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2HHa0O17289 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:36:00 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2HHZhO17240 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:35:43 -0500 Received: from mclmx.mail.saic.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA21130 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:18:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com by mclmx.mail.saic.com for sipping-emergency@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:19:36 -0500 Received: from mcl-its-exbh01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.11]) by mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (NAVGW 2.5.2.17) with SMTP id M2003031712203910971 ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:20:39 -0500 Received: by mcl-its-exbh01.mail.saic.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:22:49 -0500 Message-Id: From: "King, Kimberly S." To: "'Henning Schulzrinne '" , "'James M. Polk '" Cc: "'Gonzalo Camarillo '" , "'Emergency '" Subject: RE: [Sipping-emergency] [Fwd: Should we have a meeting?] Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:20:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: sipping-emergency-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: sipping-emergency-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sipping-emergency@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , where to meet? -----Original Message----- From: Henning Schulzrinne To: James M. Polk Cc: Gonzalo Camarillo; Emergency Sent: 3/17/2003 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [Sipping-emergency] [Fwd: Should we have a meeting?] Works for me. James M. Polk wrote: > At 05:09 PM 3/16/2003 -0500, Henning Schulzrinne wrote: > >> Good idea. How about a lunch? > > > Tuesday after Geopriv (1130)? _______________________________________________ Sipping-emergency mailing list Sipping-emergency@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping-emergency _______________________________________________ Sipping-emergency mailing list Sipping-emergency@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping-emergency From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Mar 17 12:57:33 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA22778 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HIE2E21096 for sipping-emergency-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:14:02 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2HIE2O21093 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:14:02 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA22725 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2HIE1O21083 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:14:01 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2HID6O21045 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:13:06 -0500 Received: from halt-in.cisco.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA22692 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:56:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from cisco.com (171.71.177.223) by halt-in.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Mar 2003 09:58:32 -0800 Received: from jmpolk-w2k01.diablo.cisco.com (ssh-sjc-1.cisco.com [171.68.225.134]) by wells.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with ESMTP id JAA09705; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:58:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030317115717.051004d0@localhost> X-Sender: jmpolk@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:58:26 -0600 To: "King, Kimberly S." , "'Henning Schulzrinne '" From: "James M. Polk" Subject: RE: [Sipping-emergency] [Fwd: Should we have a meeting?] Cc: "'Gonzalo Camarillo '" , "'Emergency '" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: sipping-emergency-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: sipping-emergency-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sipping-emergency@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , At 12:20 PM 3/17/2003 -0500, King, Kimberly S. wrote: > where to meet? Hotel lobby at 11:30-11:40am-ish... >-----Original Message----- >From: Henning Schulzrinne >To: James M. Polk >Cc: Gonzalo Camarillo; Emergency >Sent: 3/17/2003 10:15 AM >Subject: Re: [Sipping-emergency] [Fwd: Should we have a meeting?] > >Works for me. > >James M. Polk wrote: > > At 05:09 PM 3/16/2003 -0500, Henning Schulzrinne wrote: > > > >> Good idea. How about a lunch? > > > > > > Tuesday after Geopriv (1130)? > >_______________________________________________ >Sipping-emergency mailing list >Sipping-emergency@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping-emergency cheers, James ************************************* "The road to destruction is well traveled and crowded, if you choose to get on that road, destruction will hit you head on" _______________________________________________ Sipping-emergency mailing list Sipping-emergency@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping-emergency From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Tue Mar 18 11:59:40 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA18345 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:59:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2IHGbN30274 for sipping-emergency-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:16:37 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2IHGbO30271 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:16:37 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA18302 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:59:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2IHGaO30263 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:16:36 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2IHDdO29965 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:13:39 -0500 Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA18110 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:56:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se (alteon-nat1.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.118]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.8/8.12.8/WIREfire-1.5) with ESMTP id h2IGwGwv012154; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:58:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from hendrix.lmf.ericsson.se ([131.160.11.8]) by esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id GPHLBKF0; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:58:16 +0100 Received: from lmf.ericsson.se (rmt160115.am.ericsson.se [138.85.160.115]) by hendrix.lmf.ericsson.se (8.12.8/8.12.8/lmf-2.1-jcs) with ESMTP id h2IGwC6B024129; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:58:13 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3E775045.FAFC9D36@lmf.ericsson.se> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:58:45 +0200 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Gonzalo Camarillo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "James M. Polk" CC: "King, Kimberly S." , "'Henning Schulzrinne '" , "'Emergency '" , Biran Rosen Subject: Re: [Sipping-emergency] [Fwd: Should we have a meeting?] References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030317115717.051004d0@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sipping-emergency-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: sipping-emergency-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sipping-emergency@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, Brian (in the cc of this mail) is also interested in this meeting. I'll be in the lobby at 11:30 Gonzalo "James M. Polk" wrote: > > At 12:20 PM 3/17/2003 -0500, King, Kimberly S. wrote: > > where to meet? > > Hotel lobby at 11:30-11:40am-ish... > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Henning Schulzrinne > >To: James M. Polk > >Cc: Gonzalo Camarillo; Emergency > >Sent: 3/17/2003 10:15 AM > >Subject: Re: [Sipping-emergency] [Fwd: Should we have a meeting?] > > > >Works for me. > > > >James M. Polk wrote: > > > At 05:09 PM 3/16/2003 -0500, Henning Schulzrinne wrote: > > > > > >> Good idea. How about a lunch? > > > > > > > > > Tuesday after Geopriv (1130)? > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Sipping-emergency mailing list > >Sipping-emergency@ietf.org > >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping-emergency > > cheers, > James > > ************************************* > "The road to destruction is well traveled and crowded, > if you choose to get on that road, destruction will hit you head on" _______________________________________________ Sipping-emergency mailing list Sipping-emergency@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping-emergency From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Mar 19 16:29:31 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA09339 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:29:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JLl3b07838 for sipping-emergency-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:47:03 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2JLl3O07827 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:47:03 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA09269 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2JLl2O07766 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:47:02 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2JLhMO07308 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:43:22 -0500 Received: from albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA09026 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:25:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se (alteon-nat3.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.120]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.8/8.12.8/WIREfire-1.5) with ESMTP id h2JLRXbh019632 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:27:33 +0100 (MET) Received: from hendrix.lmf.ericsson.se ([131.160.11.8]) by esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id HH5MAJN5; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:27:33 +0100 Received: from lmf.ericsson.se (vrrch1-177029.am.ericsson.se [138.85.177.29]) by hendrix.lmf.ericsson.se (8.12.8/8.12.8/lmf-2.1-jcs) with ESMTP id h2JLRW6B024048 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 23:27:33 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3E78E0E5.A5873BC@lmf.ericsson.se> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 23:28:05 +0200 From: Gonzalo Camarillo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Emergency Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Sipping-emergency] Action points Sender: sipping-emergency-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: sipping-emergency-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sipping-emergency@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, I got two action points in Yesterday's lunch meeting. 1) I have added Brian to the mailing list and to the web page. http://www.softarmor.com/sipping/teams/emergency/ 2) I have talked to a bunch of 3GPP guys. In theory, emergency calls in the IMS are scheduled for Release 6. SA2 (like a working group in 3GPP) is working on the architecture, and it seems that they are making progress. Once SA2 is finished with the architecture, the protocol work will be carried out by a group within CN (maybe CN1). I will get the design team in touch with two persons that are invovled on the 3GPP side. Regards, Gonzalo _______________________________________________ Sipping-emergency mailing list Sipping-emergency@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping-emergency From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Mar 19 16:32:38 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA09732 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:32:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2JLo9S08475 for sipping-emergency-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:50:09 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2JLo9O08468 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:50:09 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA09639 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:32:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2JLo8O08454 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:50:08 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2JLlPO07971 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:47:25 -0500 Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA09322 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:29:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se (alteon-nat3.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.120]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.8/8.12.8/WIREfire-1.5) with ESMTP id h2JLVaHQ002877; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:31:36 +0100 (MET) Received: from hendrix.lmf.ericsson.se ([131.160.11.8]) by esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id HH5MAKC0; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:31:36 +0100 Received: from lmf.ericsson.se (vrrch1-177029.am.ericsson.se [138.85.177.29]) by hendrix.lmf.ericsson.se (8.12.8/8.12.8/lmf-2.1-jcs) with ESMTP id h2JLVY6B024209; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 23:31:35 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3E78E1D8.EE214E5C@lmf.ericsson.se> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 23:32:08 +0200 X-Sybari-Trust: ed0554e2 d6a25af5 ae26be38 00000138 From: Gonzalo Camarillo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Drage, Keith (Keith)" , "Atle Monrad (ETO)" CC: Emergency Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Sipping-emergency] Emergency calls and 3GPP Sender: sipping-emergency-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: sipping-emergency-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sipping-emergency@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keith and Atle, the emergency calls design team within the SIPPING working group would like to know which requirements 3GPP is taking into consideration. Your input would help the design team understand your needs. http://www.softarmor.com/sipping/teams/emergency/ Feel free to get in touch with the members of the design team and send any message to the mailing list in the cc of this mail. Thanks, Gonzalo _______________________________________________ Sipping-emergency mailing list Sipping-emergency@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping-emergency From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Mar 20 02:20:54 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA10369 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 02:20:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2K7cWv30448 for sipping-emergency-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 02:38:32 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2K7cHO30429 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 02:38:17 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA10285 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 02:19:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2K7c1O30410 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 02:38:01 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2K7avO29588 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 02:36:57 -0500 Received: from albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA10101 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 02:18:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se (alteon-nat4.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.121]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.8/8.12.8/WIREfire-1.5) with ESMTP id h2K7KVbh029586; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:20:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from ESEALNT747.al.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.251.7]) by esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id HH7GLHXC; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:20:24 +0100 Received: by ESEALNT747.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:10:23 +0100 Message-ID: <6F936E2F8E16234BA8D88B2EE833833202B99C9B@esealnt912.al.sw.ericsson.se> X-Sybari-Trust: 38c69dbb d6a25af5 ae26be38 00000138 From: "Atle Monrad (ETO)" To: "Gonzalo Camarillo Gonzalez (LMF)" , "Drage, Keith (Keith)" Cc: Emergency Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:20:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Sipping-emergency] RE: Emergency calls and 3GPP Sender: sipping-emergency-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: sipping-emergency-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sipping-emergency@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Gonzalo I appreciate that you actively want to involve 3gpp at an early stage in this issue. I would also like to take this opportunity to give you all some background information about the emergency call feature in 3gpp, and also a potential tutorial (for free due to the financial situation of ietf). Currently, 3gpp supports emergency calls for CS, and enhanced priority services (partly as a result of Sept. 11) is also covered. This includes specification of a particular emergency call handling setup, radio priority aspects and setup from terminals without any subscription (without SIM-cards). Emergency call handling over packet based accesses, both GPRS and UMTS-PS bearers do not exist in 3gpp releases up to and including rel-5. In rel-5 where IMS is introduced, em-calls shall be discovered by the handset and be set-up over CS. In addition, if an INVITE destined for an emergency centre slips through this filter and is sent from the UAC destined for an em-center, an IMS proxy will stop the session set-up and respond to the terminal to order CS to be used. ----- In rel-6, 3gpp will start working with emergency setups over PS. Architectural aspects will be sorted out, impact on SIP will be addressed, radio aspects will be identified, security issues, possible impact on SIM-cards, conformance testing (type approval), non-SIM card aspects, etc will be addressed. At present, the requirements and service aspects are currently sorted out in the working group SA1 (work not finished). The working group SA2, where the architectural aspects are outlined, has work ongoing, which first will result in a technical report. This technical report will then be converted into text suitable for the relevant 3gpp specifications on the architectural level. As work in SA2 matures, the detailed work will be started and will continue partly in parallell and as an iterative process between architectural apsects and the details, involving e.g. radio, core network signalling, and terminal -issues. Specification work for the protocol details on SIP-level is specified in the CN (core network) groups. On CN-level, the majority of this work is done by CN1. Our task is to use IETF protocols to fulfil the 3gpp requirements without bending the IDs and RFCs beyond what can be tolerated. If and when needed, CN1 will address 3gpp issues to the relevant ietf working group(s) in order to secure that the RFCs in the end do fulfil our demands for an appropriate solution. I (as rapporteur on CN-level for this work item) as well as other will address requirements followed by solutions as things mature a bit. I do not know whether the format of our requirements towards ietf best can be addressed as a req-id or as direct comments to the list. Note that the current time schedule for 3gpp is to finalise the emergency call work by the end of 2003, meaning that feedback towards ietf can be expected quite soon. ----- Note also that the current work I am talking about is - to say it in a popular way: support for e.g. 911 or sos@domain over a PS connection. More work in the area, named Priority Multimedia Services (yes; it has the abbr PMS) in 3gpp has just started in the requirements and service aspects area, and may result in a 2nd stage of emergency call handling over the PS-domain. /atle Best Regards Atle Monrad ERICSSON Wireless Data Terminals & Solutions Office: + 47 372 93 665 Mobile: + 47 454 10 665 Fax: + 47 372 94 058 E-mail: atle.monrad@ericsson.com Web-site: www.ericsson.com/mobileplatforms -----Original Message----- From: Gonzalo Camarillo Gonzalez (LMF) Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 10:32 PM To: Drage, Keith (Keith); Atle Monrad (ETO) Cc: Emergency Subject: Emergency calls and 3GPP Keith and Atle, the emergency calls design team within the SIPPING working group would like to know which requirements 3GPP is taking into consideration. Your input would help the design team understand your needs. http://www.softarmor.com/sipping/teams/emergency/ Feel free to get in touch with the members of the design team and send any message to the mailing list in the cc of this mail. Thanks, Gonzalo _______________________________________________ Sipping-emergency mailing list Sipping-emergency@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping-emergency From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Mar 20 14:20:10 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA00662 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:20:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2KJc8i18335 for sipping-emergency-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:38:08 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2KJc8O18332 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:38:08 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA00645 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:19:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2KJc6O18322 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:38:06 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2KJbkO18275 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:37:46 -0500 Received: from ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA00612 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from uk0006exch001h.wins.lucent.com (h135-86-145-57.lucent.com [135.86.145.57]) by ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com (Switch-2.2.5/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h2KJLUQ14006 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by uk0006exch001h.uk.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 19:21:29 -0000 Message-ID: <475FF955A05DD411980D00508B6D5FB00439EC7A@en0033exch001u.uk.lucent.com> From: "Drage, Keith (Keith)" To: "'Atle Monrad (ETO)'" , "Gonzalo Camarillo Gonzalez (LMF)" , "Drage, Keith (Keith)" Cc: Emergency Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 19:21:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Sipping-emergency] RE: Emergency calls and 3GPP Sender: sipping-emergency-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: sipping-emergency-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sipping-emergency@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , A good summary Atle. As regards further input to requirements, I suspect that most of the requirements are already met by Hennings new requirements draft. Therefore I suspect what we need is a way of adding or modifying a small amount of additional material - Atle I suggest what we need is a review of the ietf requirements after the may SA2 meeting when things are a bit more solid, assuming that is not too late for ietf - plus some way of indicating which requirements or mechanisms are not relevant to 3GPP (e.g. the DNS lookup stuff for location). Keith Keith Drage Lucent Technologies Tel: +44 1793 776249 Email: drage@lucent.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Atle Monrad (ETO) [mailto:Atle.Monrad@eto.ericsson.se] > Sent: 20 March 2003 07:20 > To: Gonzalo Camarillo Gonzalez (LMF); Drage, Keith (Keith) > Cc: Emergency > Subject: RE: Emergency calls and 3GPP > > > Gonzalo > > I appreciate that you actively want to involve 3gpp at an > early stage in this issue. > > I would also like to take this opportunity to give you all > some background information about the emergency call feature > in 3gpp, and also a potential tutorial (for free due to the > financial situation of ietf). > > Currently, 3gpp supports emergency calls for CS, and enhanced > priority services (partly as a result of Sept. 11) is also > covered. This includes specification of a particular > emergency call handling setup, radio priority aspects and > setup from terminals without any subscription (without SIM-cards). > > Emergency call handling over packet based accesses, both GPRS > and UMTS-PS bearers do not exist in 3gpp releases up to and > including rel-5. In rel-5 where IMS is introduced, em-calls > shall be discovered by the handset and be set-up over CS. In > addition, if an INVITE destined for an emergency centre slips > through this filter and is sent from the UAC destined for an > em-center, an IMS proxy will stop the session set-up and > respond to the terminal to order CS to be used. > > ----- > > In rel-6, 3gpp will start working with emergency setups over > PS. Architectural aspects will be sorted out, impact on SIP > will be addressed, radio aspects will be identified, security > issues, possible impact on SIM-cards, conformance testing > (type approval), non-SIM card aspects, etc will be addressed. > > At present, the requirements and service aspects are > currently sorted out in the working group SA1 (work not finished). > > The working group SA2, where the architectural aspects are > outlined, has work ongoing, which first will result in a > technical report. This technical report will then be > converted into text suitable for the relevant 3gpp > specifications on the architectural level. > > As work in SA2 matures, the detailed work will be started and > will continue partly in parallell and as an iterative > process between architectural apsects and the details, > involving e.g. radio, core network signalling, and terminal -issues. > > Specification work for the protocol details on SIP-level is > specified in the CN (core network) groups. On CN-level, the > majority of this work is done by CN1. Our task is to use IETF > protocols to fulfil the 3gpp requirements without bending the > IDs and RFCs beyond what can be tolerated. If and when > needed, CN1 will address 3gpp issues to the relevant ietf > working group(s) in order to secure that the RFCs in the end > do fulfil our demands for an appropriate solution. I (as > rapporteur on CN-level for this work item) as well as other > will address requirements followed by solutions as things > mature a bit. > I do not know whether the format of our requirements towards > ietf best can be addressed as a req-id or as direct comments > to the list. > > Note that the current time schedule for 3gpp is to finalise > the emergency call work by the end of 2003, meaning that > feedback towards ietf can be expected quite soon. > > ----- > > Note also that the current work I am talking about is - to > say it in a popular way: > support for e.g. 911 or sos@domain over a PS connection. > > More work in the area, named Priority Multimedia Services > (yes; it has the abbr PMS) in 3gpp has just started in the > requirements and service aspects area, and may result in a > 2nd stage of emergency call handling over the PS-domain. > > /atle > > Best Regards > > Atle Monrad > ERICSSON > Wireless Data Terminals & Solutions > > Office: + 47 372 93 665 > Mobile: + 47 454 10 665 > Fax: + 47 372 94 058 > E-mail: atle.monrad@ericsson.com > Web-site: www.ericsson.com/mobileplatforms > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gonzalo Camarillo Gonzalez (LMF) > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 10:32 PM > To: Drage, Keith (Keith); Atle Monrad (ETO) > Cc: Emergency > Subject: Emergency calls and 3GPP > > > Keith and Atle, > > the emergency calls design team within the SIPPING working group would > like to know which requirements 3GPP is taking into > consideration. Your > input would help the design team understand your needs. > > http://www.softarmor.com/sipping/teams/emergency/ > > Feel free to get in touch with the members of the design team and send > any message to the mailing list in the cc of this mail. > > Thanks, > > Gonzalo > _______________________________________________ Sipping-emergency mailing list Sipping-emergency@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping-emergency From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Mar 28 09:32:09 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA29679 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2SErv708817 for sipping-emergency-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:53:57 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2SEruO08814 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:53:56 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA29646 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:31:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2SErtO08806 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:53:55 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2SEqvO08731 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:52:57 -0500 Received: from mclmx.mail.saic.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA29615 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:30:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com by mclmx.mail.saic.com for sipping-emergency@ietf.org; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:31:36 -0500 Received: from mcl-its-exig01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.12]) by mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (NAVGW 2.5.2.17) with SMTP id M2003032809324725463 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:32:47 -0500 Received: by mcl-its-exig01.mail.saic.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:32:25 -0500 Message-Id: From: "King, Kimberly S." 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