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Hi,

I'd like to remind those interested about the Info Package text, for provid=
ing additional call data, that I sent on the list in November (as requested=
 in Vancouver).

Regards,

Christer

From: ecrit-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of C=
hrister Holmberg
Sent: 15. marraskuuta 2013 2:11
To: ecrit@ietf.org
Cc: Rosen, Brian (Brian.Rosen@neustar.biz)
Subject: [Ecrit] Additional Call Data: Info Package

Hi,

I put together the first version of an Info Package used to send Additional=
 Call Data for an emergency call, using INFO requests.

At this point I have not written a draft, because I think it would fit in d=
raft-rosen-ecrit-addldata-subnot, eventhough we may want to change/remove t=
he "subnot" part in the draft name.

Regards,

Christer

-----------------------------------------------


5.  Info Package for Additional Call Data



5.1.  General



The Info Package is used to update Additional Call Data related to an emerg=
ency call, as described in [I-D.ietf-ecrit-additional-data].



5.2.  Overal Description



TBD



5.3.  Applicability



The Info Package is only to be used within an emergency call.



5.4.  Info Package Name



The name of the Info Package is: infoAdditionaCallData



5.5.  Info Package Parameters



5.5.1.  General



An Info Package name parameter, maxRate, is defined for the Info Package. T=
he parameter can be inserted by a Public Safety Answering Point (PSAP), in =
the Recv-Info header field of a response the INVITE request establishing th=
e emergency call, to indicate the maximum number of INFO requests, associat=
ed with the Info Package, that can be sent towards the PSAP per second.



5.5.2.  ABNF



maxRate =3D "maxRate" EQUAL (1*2DIGIT ["." 1*10DIGIT])



5.6.  SIP option tags



No SIP option tags are defined for the Info Package.



5.7.  INFO message body parts



Additional Call Data is carried in the message body defined in section XXX.



The MIME type value for the message body is: 'application/emergencyCall.Svc=
Info+xml', defined in section XXX.



The Content Disposition value for the message body, when associated with th=
e Info Package, is "info-package" (see RFC 6086 [XX]).



5.8.  Info Package usage restrictions



No usage restrictions are defined for the Info Package.



5.9.  Rate of INFO requests



A PSAP can indicate the maximum rate for sending INFO requests associated w=
ith the Info Package, using the maxRate Info Package parameter.



In the absence of a maxRate parameter, INFO requests associated with the In=
fo Package MUST NOT be sent more frequently than once every twenty seconds.



5.10.  Security considerations



Security considerations for the Info Package update mechanism are

   identical to those in [I-D.ietf-ecrit-additional-data].


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I&#8217;d like to remi=
nd those interested about the Info Package text, for providing additional c=
all data, that I sent on the list in November (as requested in Vancouver).<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Christer<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
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unces@ietf.org [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Christer Holmberg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 15. marraskuuta 2013 2:11<br>
<b>To:</b> ecrit@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Rosen, Brian (Brian.Rosen@neustar.biz)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Ecrit] Additional Call Data: Info Package<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FI">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FI"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I put together the first version of an Info Package =
used to send Additional Call Data for an emergency call, using INFO request=
s.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">At this point I have not written a draft, because I =
think it would fit in draft-rosen-ecrit-addldata-subnot, eventhough we may =
want to change/remove the &#8220;subnot&#8221; part in the draft name.<o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Christer<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-----------------------------------------------<o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">5.&nbsp; Info Package for Additional Call Data<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">5.1.&nbsp; General<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">The Info Package is used to update Additional Call Data related to an em=
ergency call, as described in [I-D.ietf-ecrit-additional-data].<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">5.2.&nbsp; Overal Description<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">TBD<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">5.3.&nbsp; Applicability<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">The Info Package is only to be used within an emergency call.<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">5.4.&nbsp; Info Package Name<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">The name of the Info Package is: infoAdditionaCallData<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">5.5.&nbsp; Info Package Parameters<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">5.5.1.&nbsp; General<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">An Info Package name parameter, maxRate, is defined for the Info Package=
. The parameter can be inserted by a Public Safety Answering Point (PSAP), =
in the Recv-Info header field of a response the
 INVITE request establishing the emergency call, to indicate the maximum nu=
mber of INFO requests, associated with the Info Package, that can be sent t=
owards the PSAP per second.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">5.5.2.&nbsp; ABNF<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<pre>maxRate =3D &quot;maxRate&quot; EQUAL (1*2DIGIT [&quot;.&quot; 1*10DIG=
IT])<o:p></o:p></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">5.6.&nbsp; SIP option tags<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">No SIP option tags are defined for the Info Package.<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">5.7.&nbsp; INFO message body parts<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">Additional Call Data is carried in the message body defined in section X=
XX.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">The MIME type value for the message body is: 'application/emergencyCall.=
SvcInfo&#43;xml', defined in section XXX.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">The Content Disposition value for the message body, when associated with=
 the Info Package, is &quot;info-package&quot; (see RFC 6086 [XX]).<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">5.8.&nbsp; Info Package usage restrictions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">No usage restrictions are defined for the Info Package.<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;">5.9.&nbsp; Rate of INFO requests<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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Hi all,=C2=A0

I am going to chair a BoF at the next IETF meeting related to Internet of =
Things authentication and authorization. Folks in the group are currently c=
ollecting use cases to derive requirements and the following emergency serv=
ices related use case was brought forward. It would be great if the emergen=
cy services community could take a look at it and give me feedback whether =
you consider this use case realistic, whether you have heard about projects=
 working on these topics, whether you have seen other approaches providing =
similar functionality, etc.=20

Here is the relevant text from http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seitz-core=
-sec-usecases-00:=20
---------
2.3. Personal Health Monitoring

The use of wearable health monitoring technology is expected to grow stron=
gly, as a multitude of novel devices are developed and marketed. These devi=
ces are typically battery driven, and located physically on the user. They =
monitor some bodily function, such as e.g. temperature, blood pressure, or =
pulse. They are connected to the Internet, either through an intermediary b=
ase-station or directly, using wireless technologies. Through this connecti=
on they report the monitored data to some entity, which may either be the u=
ser herself, or some medical personnel in charge of the user.

Medical data has always been considered as very sensitive, and therefore r=
equires good protection against unauthorized disclosure. A frequent, confli=
cting requirement is the capability for medical personnel to gain emergency=
 access, even if no specific access rights exist.  As a result, the importa=
nce of secure audit logs increases in such scenarios. Since the users are n=
ot typically trained in security (or even computer use), the configuration =
must use secure default settings, and the interface must be well adapted to=
 novice users.  Also the system must require very little maintenance, so e.=
g. frequent changes of battery are unacceptable.

2.3.1 John and the heart rate monitor

John has a heart condition, that can result in sudden cardiac arrests. He =
therefore uses a device called HeartGuard that monitors his heart rate and =
his position. In case of a cardiac arrest it automatically sends an alarm t=
o an emergency service, transmitting John's current location. The device al=
so functions as a implanted cardioverter defibrilator, i.e. it can deliver =
a shock in order to try and normalize Johns heart rate. John can configure =
additional persons that get notified in an emergency, for example his daugh=
ter Jill. Furthermore the device stores data on John's heart rate, which ca=
n later be accessed by a physician to assess the condition of John's heart.=
 However John is a rather private person, and is worried that Jill might us=
e HeartGuard to monitor his location while there is no emergency. Furthermo=
re he doesn't want his health insurance to get access to the HeartGuard dat=
a, since they might refuse to renew his insurance if they decided he was to=
o big a risk for them.

---------

Ciao
Hannes
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We expect emergency services to have credentials in a PKI with known (per c=
ountry) roots of trust.  That will be helpful in this scenario.  I think yo=
u want to differentiate between unmediated and mediated access.  Mediated a=
ccess means there is some service between the device and the emergency serv=
ices.  That is the most common scenario today.  Whether unmediated access b=
ecomes common in the future is speculation.  I kind of hope it does, but no=
t too optimistic.  Too much revenue opportunities are lost when vendors all=
ow direct access.

Brian

On Feb 6, 2014, at 4:23 AM, Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net> w=
rote:

> Hi all,=20
>=20
> I am going to chair a BoF at the next IETF meeting related to Internet of=
 Things authentication and authorization. Folks in the group are currently =
collecting use cases to derive requirements and the following emergency ser=
vices related use case was brought forward. It would be great if the emerge=
ncy services community could take a look at it and give me feedback whether=
 you consider this use case realistic, whether you have heard about project=
s working on these topics, whether you have seen other approaches providing=
 similar functionality, etc.=20
>=20
> Here is the relevant text from http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seitz-cor=
e-sec-usecases-00:=20
> ---------
> 2.3. Personal Health Monitoring
>=20
> The use of wearable health monitoring technology is expected to grow stro=
ngly, as a multitude of novel devices are developed and marketed. These dev=
ices are typically battery driven, and located physically on the user. They=
 monitor some bodily function, such as e.g. temperature, blood pressure, or=
 pulse. They are connected to the Internet, either through an intermediary =
base-station or directly, using wireless technologies. Through this connect=
ion they report the monitored data to some entity, which may either be the =
user herself, or some medical personnel in charge of the user.
>=20
> Medical data has always been considered as very sensitive, and therefore =
requires good protection against unauthorized disclosure. A frequent, confl=
icting requirement is the capability for medical personnel to gain emergenc=
y access, even if no specific access rights exist.  As a result, the import=
ance of secure audit logs increases in such scenarios. Since the users are =
not typically trained in security (or even computer use), the configuration=
 must use secure default settings, and the interface must be well adapted t=
o novice users.  Also the system must require very little maintenance, so e=
.g. frequent changes of battery are unacceptable.
>=20
> 2.3.1 John and the heart rate monitor
>=20
> John has a heart condition, that can result in sudden cardiac arrests. He=
 therefore uses a device called HeartGuard that monitors his heart rate and=
 his position. In case of a cardiac arrest it automatically sends an alarm =
to an emergency service, transmitting John's current location. The device a=
lso functions as a implanted cardioverter defibrilator, i.e. it can deliver=
 a shock in order to try and normalize Johns heart rate. John can configure=
 additional persons that get notified in an emergency, for example his daug=
hter Jill. Furthermore the device stores data on John's heart rate, which c=
an later be accessed by a physician to assess the condition of John's heart=
. However John is a rather private person, and is worried that Jill might u=
se HeartGuard to monitor his location while there is no emergency. Furtherm=
ore he doesn't want his health insurance to get access to the HeartGuard da=
ta, since they might refuse to renew his insurance if they decided he was t=
oo big a risk for them.
>=20
> ---------
>=20
> Ciao
> Hannes
>=20
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We expect emergency services to have credentials in a PKI with known (per c=
ountry) roots of trust.  That will be helpful in this scenario.  I think yo=
u want to differentiate between unmediated and mediated access.  Mediated a=
ccess means there is some service between the device and the emergency serv=
ices.  That is the most common scenario today.  Whether unmediated access b=
ecomes common in the future is speculation.  I kind of hope it does, but no=
t too optimistic.  Too much revenue opportunities are lost when vendors all=
ow direct access.

Brian

On Feb 6, 2014, at 4:23 AM, Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net> w=
rote:

> Hi all,=20
>=20
> I am going to chair a BoF at the next IETF meeting related to Internet of=
 Things authentication and authorization. Folks in the group are currently =
collecting use cases to derive requirements and the following emergency ser=
vices related use case was brought forward. It would be great if the emerge=
ncy services community could take a look at it and give me feedback whether=
 you consider this use case realistic, whether you have heard about project=
s working on these topics, whether you have seen other approaches providing=
 similar functionality, etc.=20
>=20
> Here is the relevant text from http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seitz-cor=
e-sec-usecases-00:=20
> ---------
> 2.3. Personal Health Monitoring
>=20
> The use of wearable health monitoring technology is expected to grow stro=
ngly, as a multitude of novel devices are developed and marketed. These dev=
ices are typically battery driven, and located physically on the user. They=
 monitor some bodily function, such as e.g. temperature, blood pressure, or=
 pulse. They are connected to the Internet, either through an intermediary =
base-station or directly, using wireless technologies. Through this connect=
ion they report the monitored data to some entity, which may either be the =
user herself, or some medical personnel in charge of the user.
>=20
> Medical data has always been considered as very sensitive, and therefore =
requires good protection against unauthorized disclosure. A frequent, confl=
icting requirement is the capability for medical personnel to gain emergenc=
y access, even if no specific access rights exist.  As a result, the import=
ance of secure audit logs increases in such scenarios. Since the users are =
not typically trained in security (or even computer use), the configuration=
 must use secure default settings, and the interface must be well adapted t=
o novice users.  Also the system must require very little maintenance, so e=
.g. frequent changes of battery are unacceptable.
>=20
> 2.3.1 John and the heart rate monitor
>=20
> John has a heart condition, that can result in sudden cardiac arrests. He=
 therefore uses a device called HeartGuard that monitors his heart rate and=
 his position. In case of a cardiac arrest it automatically sends an alarm =
to an emergency service, transmitting John's current location. The device a=
lso functions as a implanted cardioverter defibrilator, i.e. it can deliver=
 a shock in order to try and normalize Johns heart rate. John can configure=
 additional persons that get notified in an emergency, for example his daug=
hter Jill. Furthermore the device stores data on John's heart rate, which c=
an later be accessed by a physician to assess the condition of John's heart=
. However John is a rather private person, and is worried that Jill might u=
se HeartGuard to monitor his location while there is no emergency. Furtherm=
ore he doesn't want his health insurance to get access to the HeartGuard da=
ta, since they might refuse to renew his insurance if they decided he was t=
oo big a risk for them.
>=20
> ---------
>=20
> Ciao
> Hannes
>=20
> _______________________________________________
> Ecrit mailing list
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Every time I see an add for home security services (where they want to 
tap my bank account every month even though I might go years without an 
event) I wonder why I can't have a home security system that makes 
automated emergency calls direct to the public emergency services. (And 
same for the "Help, I've fallen and can't get up" services.)

Is there something that prevents that? I guess that a home security 
system that worked that way might result in many false alarms that might 
annoy the police or fire services. But is it illegal?

	Thanks,
	Paul

On 2/7/14 9:48 AM, Rosen, Brian wrote:
> We expect emergency services to have credentials in a PKI with known (per country) roots of trust.  That will be helpful in this scenario.  I think you want to differentiate between unmediated and mediated access.  Mediated access means there is some service between the device and the emergency services.  That is the most common scenario today.  Whether unmediated access becomes common in the future is speculation.  I kind of hope it does, but not too optimistic.  Too much revenue opportunities are lost when vendors allow direct access.
>
> Brian
>
> On Feb 6, 2014, at 4:23 AM, Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am going to chair a BoF at the next IETF meeting related to Internet of Things authentication and authorization. Folks in the group are currently collecting use cases to derive requirements and the following emergency services related use case was brought forward. It would be great if the emergency services community could take a look at it and give me feedback whether you consider this use case realistic, whether you have heard about projects working on these topics, whether you have seen other approaches providing similar functionality, etc.
>>
>> Here is the relevant text from http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seitz-core-sec-usecases-00:
>> ---------
>> 2.3. Personal Health Monitoring
>>
>> The use of wearable health monitoring technology is expected to grow strongly, as a multitude of novel devices are developed and marketed. These devices are typically battery driven, and located physically on the user. They monitor some bodily function, such as e.g. temperature, blood pressure, or pulse. They are connected to the Internet, either through an intermediary base-station or directly, using wireless technologies. Through this connection they report the monitored data to some entity, which may either be the user herself, or some medical personnel in charge of the user.
>>
>> Medical data has always been considered as very sensitive, and therefore requires good protection against unauthorized disclosure. A frequent, conflicting requirement is the capability for medical personnel to gain emergency access, even if no specific access rights exist.  As a result, the importance of secure audit logs increases in such scenarios. Since the users are not typically trained in security (or even computer use), the configuration must use secure default settings, and the interface must be well adapted to novice users.  Also the system must require very little maintenance, so e.g. frequent changes of battery are unacceptable.
>>
>> 2.3.1 John and the heart rate monitor
>>
>> John has a heart condition, that can result in sudden cardiac arrests. He therefore uses a device called HeartGuard that monitors his heart rate and his position. In case of a cardiac arrest it automatically sends an alarm to an emergency service, transmitting John's current location. The device also functions as a implanted cardioverter defibrilator, i.e. it can deliver a shock in order to try and normalize Johns heart rate. John can configure additional persons that get notified in an emergency, for example his daughter Jill. Furthermore the device stores data on John's heart rate, which can later be accessed by a physician to assess the condition of John's heart. However John is a rather private person, and is worried that Jill might use HeartGuard to monitor his location while there is no emergency. Furthermore he doesn't want his health insurance to get access to the HeartGuard data, since they might refuse to renew his insurance if they decided he was too big a risk !
>   for them.
>>
>> ---------
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>> Ciao
>> Hannes
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Yes.  Too many false positives.  There are actually laws in some jurisdicti=
ons that prohibit devices from autodialing emergency calls.  As we improve =
sensors, we can make it possible for that to happen.  The =93Data Only=94 o=
r =93Non Human Initiated=94 calls are designed for that.  The emergency ser=
vices folks are concerned by any form of autodialing, but if we give them a=
ppropriate controls, I think we can gain acceptance.

Brian

On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> Every time I see an add for home security services (where they want to ta=
p my bank account every month even though I might go years without an event=
) I wonder why I can't have a home security system that makes automated eme=
rgency calls direct to the public emergency services. (And same for the "He=
lp, I've fallen and can't get up" services.)
>=20
> Is there something that prevents that? I guess that a home security syste=
m that worked that way might result in many false alarms that might annoy t=
he police or fire services. But is it illegal?
>=20
> 	Thanks,
> 	Paul
>=20
> On 2/7/14 9:48 AM, Rosen, Brian wrote:
>> We expect emergency services to have credentials in a PKI with known (pe=
r country) roots of trust.  That will be helpful in this scenario.  I think=
 you want to differentiate between unmediated and mediated access.  Mediate=
d access means there is some service between the device and the emergency s=
ervices.  That is the most common scenario today.  Whether unmediated acces=
s becomes common in the future is speculation.  I kind of hope it does, but=
 not too optimistic.  Too much revenue opportunities are lost when vendors =
allow direct access.
>>=20
>> Brian
>>=20
>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 4:23 AM, Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net=
> wrote:
>>=20
>>> Hi all,
>>>=20
>>> I am going to chair a BoF at the next IETF meeting related to Internet =
of Things authentication and authorization. Folks in the group are currentl=
y collecting use cases to derive requirements and the following emergency s=
ervices related use case was brought forward. It would be great if the emer=
gency services community could take a look at it and give me feedback wheth=
er you consider this use case realistic, whether you have heard about proje=
cts working on these topics, whether you have seen other approaches providi=
ng similar functionality, etc.
>>>=20
>>> Here is the relevant text from http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seitz-c=
ore-sec-usecases-00:
>>> ---------
>>> 2.3. Personal Health Monitoring
>>>=20
>>> The use of wearable health monitoring technology is expected to grow st=
rongly, as a multitude of novel devices are developed and marketed. These d=
evices are typically battery driven, and located physically on the user. Th=
ey monitor some bodily function, such as e.g. temperature, blood pressure, =
or pulse. They are connected to the Internet, either through an intermediar=
y base-station or directly, using wireless technologies. Through this conne=
ction they report the monitored data to some entity, which may either be th=
e user herself, or some medical personnel in charge of the user.
>>>=20
>>> Medical data has always been considered as very sensitive, and therefor=
e requires good protection against unauthorized disclosure. A frequent, con=
flicting requirement is the capability for medical personnel to gain emerge=
ncy access, even if no specific access rights exist.  As a result, the impo=
rtance of secure audit logs increases in such scenarios. Since the users ar=
e not typically trained in security (or even computer use), the configurati=
on must use secure default settings, and the interface must be well adapted=
 to novice users.  Also the system must require very little maintenance, so=
 e.g. frequent changes of battery are unacceptable.
>>>=20
>>> 2.3.1 John and the heart rate monitor
>>>=20
>>> John has a heart condition, that can result in sudden cardiac arrests. =
He therefore uses a device called HeartGuard that monitors his heart rate a=
nd his position. In case of a cardiac arrest it automatically sends an alar=
m to an emergency service, transmitting John's current location. The device=
 also functions as a implanted cardioverter defibrilator, i.e. it can deliv=
er a shock in order to try and normalize Johns heart rate. John can configu=
re additional persons that get notified in an emergency, for example his da=
ughter Jill. Furthermore the device stores data on John's heart rate, which=
 can later be accessed by a physician to assess the condition of John's hea=
rt. However John is a rather private person, and is worried that Jill might=
 use HeartGuard to monitor his location while there is no emergency. Furthe=
rmore he doesn't want his health insurance to get access to the HeartGuard =
data, since they might refuse to renew his insurance if they decided he was=
 too big a risk !
>>  for them.
>>>=20
>>> ---------
>>>=20
>>> Ciao
>>> Hannes
>>>=20
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Ecrit mailing list
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Every country is different.

For example, in the UK, burglar alarms may be connected to the police emerg=
ency control room, but this is not an emergency call and does not use the e=
mergency network. Other burglar alarms go to a private control room.

Again, for the UK, medical devices dial a private control room, and it is t=
he control room that decides whether to make an emergency call for an ambul=
ance.

Keith=20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rosen, Brian
> Sent: 07 February 2014 16:51
> To: Paul Kyzivat
> Cc: ECRIT
> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Your feedback on an Internet of Things=20
> Health Monitoring Use Case
>=20
> Yes.  Too many false positives.  There are actually laws in=20
> some jurisdictions that prohibit devices from autodialing=20
> emergency calls.  As we improve sensors, we can make it=20
> possible for that to happen.  The "Data Only" or "Non Human=20
> Initiated" calls are designed for that.  The emergency=20
> services folks are concerned by any form of autodialing, but=20
> if we give them appropriate controls, I think we can gain acceptance.
>=20
> Brian
>=20
> On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Paul Kyzivat=20
> <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>=20
> > Every time I see an add for home security services (where=20
> they want to=20
> > tap my bank account every month even though I might go=20
> years without=20
> > an event) I wonder why I can't have a home security system=20
> that makes=20
> > automated emergency calls direct to the public emergency services.=20
> > (And same for the "Help, I've fallen and can't get up" services.)
> >=20
> > Is there something that prevents that? I guess that a home=20
> security system that worked that way might result in many=20
> false alarms that might annoy the police or fire services.=20
> But is it illegal?
> >=20
> > 	Thanks,
> > 	Paul
> >=20
> > On 2/7/14 9:48 AM, Rosen, Brian wrote:
> >> We expect emergency services to have credentials in a PKI=20
> with known (per country) roots of trust.  That will be=20
> helpful in this scenario.  I think you want to differentiate=20
> between unmediated and mediated access.  Mediated access=20
> means there is some service between the device and the=20
> emergency services.  That is the most common scenario today. =20
> Whether unmediated access becomes common in the future is=20
> speculation.  I kind of hope it does, but not too optimistic.=20
>  Too much revenue opportunities are lost when vendors allow=20
> direct access.
> >>=20
> >> Brian
> >>=20
> >> On Feb 6, 2014, at 4:23 AM, Hannes Tschofenig=20
> <Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net> wrote:
> >>=20
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>=20
> >>> I am going to chair a BoF at the next IETF meeting=20
> related to Internet of Things authentication and=20
> authorization. Folks in the group are currently collecting=20
> use cases to derive requirements and the following emergency=20
> services related use case was brought forward. It would be=20
> great if the emergency services community could take a look=20
> at it and give me feedback whether you consider this use case=20
> realistic, whether you have heard about projects working on=20
> these topics, whether you have seen other approaches=20
> providing similar functionality, etc.
> >>>=20
> >>> Here is the relevant text from=20
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seitz-core-sec-usecases-00:
> >>> ---------
> >>> 2.3. Personal Health Monitoring
> >>>=20
> >>> The use of wearable health monitoring technology is=20
> expected to grow strongly, as a multitude of novel devices=20
> are developed and marketed. These devices are typically=20
> battery driven, and located physically on the user. They=20
> monitor some bodily function, such as e.g. temperature, blood=20
> pressure, or pulse. They are connected to the Internet,=20
> either through an intermediary base-station or directly,=20
> using wireless technologies. Through this connection they=20
> report the monitored data to some entity, which may either be=20
> the user herself, or some medical personnel in charge of the user.
> >>>=20
> >>> Medical data has always been considered as very=20
> sensitive, and therefore requires good protection against=20
> unauthorized disclosure. A frequent, conflicting requirement=20
> is the capability for medical personnel to gain emergency=20
> access, even if no specific access rights exist.  As a=20
> result, the importance of secure audit logs increases in such=20
> scenarios. Since the users are not typically trained in=20
> security (or even computer use), the configuration must use=20
> secure default settings, and the interface must be well=20
> adapted to novice users.  Also the system must require very=20
> little maintenance, so e.g. frequent changes of battery are=20
> unacceptable.
> >>>=20
> >>> 2.3.1 John and the heart rate monitor
> >>>=20
> >>> John has a heart condition, that can result in sudden=20
> cardiac arrests. He therefore uses a device called HeartGuard=20
> that monitors his heart rate and his position. In case of a=20
> cardiac arrest it automatically sends an alarm to an=20
> emergency service, transmitting John's current location. The=20
> device also functions as a implanted cardioverter=20
> defibrilator, i.e. it can deliver a shock in order to try and=20
> normalize Johns heart rate. John can configure additional=20
> persons that get notified in an emergency, for example his=20
> daughter Jill. Furthermore the device stores data on John's=20
> heart rate, which can later be accessed by a physician to=20
> assess the condition of John's heart. However John is a=20
> rather private person, and is worried that Jill might use=20
> HeartGuard to monitor his location while there is no=20
> emergency. Furthermore he doesn't want his health insurance=20
> to get access to the HeartGuard data, since they might refuse=20
> to renew his insurance if they decided he was too big a risk !
> >>  for them.
> >>>=20
> >>> ---------
> >>>=20
> >>> Ciao
> >>> Hannes
> >>>=20
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That=B9s pretty much how it works in the US

Brian

On 2/10/14, 12:56 PM, "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)"
<keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:

>Every country is different.
>
>For example, in the UK, burglar alarms may be connected to the police
>emergency control room, but this is not an emergency call and does not
>use the emergency network. Other burglar alarms go to a private control
>room.
>
>Again, for the UK, medical devices dial a private control room, and it is
>the control room that decides whether to make an emergency call for an
>ambulance.
>
>Keith=20
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rosen, Brian
>> Sent: 07 February 2014 16:51
>> To: Paul Kyzivat
>> Cc: ECRIT
>> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Your feedback on an Internet of Things
>> Health Monitoring Use Case
>>=20
>> Yes.  Too many false positives.  There are actually laws in
>> some jurisdictions that prohibit devices from autodialing
>> emergency calls.  As we improve sensors, we can make it
>> possible for that to happen.  The "Data Only" or "Non Human
>> Initiated" calls are designed for that.  The emergency
>> services folks are concerned by any form of autodialing, but
>> if we give them appropriate controls, I think we can gain acceptance.
>>=20
>> Brian
>>=20
>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Paul Kyzivat
>> <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>>=20
>> > Every time I see an add for home security services (where
>> they want to=20
>> > tap my bank account every month even though I might go
>> years without=20
>> > an event) I wonder why I can't have a home security system
>> that makes=20
>> > automated emergency calls direct to the public emergency services.
>> > (And same for the "Help, I've fallen and can't get up" services.)
>> >=20
>> > Is there something that prevents that? I guess that a home
>> security system that worked that way might result in many
>> false alarms that might annoy the police or fire services.
>> But is it illegal?
>> >=20
>> > 	Thanks,
>> > 	Paul
>> >=20
>> > On 2/7/14 9:48 AM, Rosen, Brian wrote:
>> >> We expect emergency services to have credentials in a PKI
>> with known (per country) roots of trust.  That will be
>> helpful in this scenario.  I think you want to differentiate
>> between unmediated and mediated access.  Mediated access
>> means there is some service between the device and the
>> emergency services.  That is the most common scenario today.
>> Whether unmediated access becomes common in the future is
>> speculation.  I kind of hope it does, but not too optimistic.
>>  Too much revenue opportunities are lost when vendors allow
>> direct access.
>> >>=20
>> >> Brian
>> >>=20
>> >> On Feb 6, 2014, at 4:23 AM, Hannes Tschofenig
>> <Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net> wrote:
>> >>=20
>> >>> Hi all,
>> >>>=20
>> >>> I am going to chair a BoF at the next IETF meeting
>> related to Internet of Things authentication and
>> authorization. Folks in the group are currently collecting
>> use cases to derive requirements and the following emergency
>> services related use case was brought forward. It would be
>> great if the emergency services community could take a look
>> at it and give me feedback whether you consider this use case
>> realistic, whether you have heard about projects working on
>> these topics, whether you have seen other approaches
>> providing similar functionality, etc.
>> >>>=20
>> >>> Here is the relevant text from
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seitz-core-sec-usecases-00:
>> >>> ---------
>> >>> 2.3. Personal Health Monitoring
>> >>>=20
>> >>> The use of wearable health monitoring technology is
>> expected to grow strongly, as a multitude of novel devices
>> are developed and marketed. These devices are typically
>> battery driven, and located physically on the user. They
>> monitor some bodily function, such as e.g. temperature, blood
>> pressure, or pulse. They are connected to the Internet,
>> either through an intermediary base-station or directly,
>> using wireless technologies. Through this connection they
>> report the monitored data to some entity, which may either be
>> the user herself, or some medical personnel in charge of the user.
>> >>>=20
>> >>> Medical data has always been considered as very
>> sensitive, and therefore requires good protection against
>> unauthorized disclosure. A frequent, conflicting requirement
>> is the capability for medical personnel to gain emergency
>> access, even if no specific access rights exist.  As a
>> result, the importance of secure audit logs increases in such
>> scenarios. Since the users are not typically trained in
>> security (or even computer use), the configuration must use
>> secure default settings, and the interface must be well
>> adapted to novice users.  Also the system must require very
>> little maintenance, so e.g. frequent changes of battery are
>> unacceptable.
>> >>>=20
>> >>> 2.3.1 John and the heart rate monitor
>> >>>=20
>> >>> John has a heart condition, that can result in sudden
>> cardiac arrests. He therefore uses a device called HeartGuard
>> that monitors his heart rate and his position. In case of a
>> cardiac arrest it automatically sends an alarm to an
>> emergency service, transmitting John's current location. The
>> device also functions as a implanted cardioverter
>> defibrilator, i.e. it can deliver a shock in order to try and
>> normalize Johns heart rate. John can configure additional
>> persons that get notified in an emergency, for example his
>> daughter Jill. Furthermore the device stores data on John's
>> heart rate, which can later be accessed by a physician to
>> assess the condition of John's heart. However John is a
>> rather private person, and is worried that Jill might use
>> HeartGuard to monitor his location while there is no
>> emergency. Furthermore he doesn't want his health insurance
>> to get access to the HeartGuard data, since they might refuse
>> to renew his insurance if they decided he was too big a risk !
>> >>  for them.
>> >>>=20
>> >>> ---------
>> >>>=20
>> >>> Ciao
>> >>> Hannes
>> >>>=20
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                          James Winterbottom
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Data-Only Emergency Calls
        Authors         : Brian Rosen
                          Henning Schulzrinne
                          Hannes Tschofenig
	Filename        : draft-ietf-ecrit-data-only-ea-07.txt
	Pages           : 22
	Date            : 2014-02-14

Abstract:
   RFC 6443 'Framework for Emergency Calling Using Internet Multimedia'
   describes how devices use the Internet to place emergency calls and
   how Public Safety Answering Points (PSAPs) can handle Internet
   multimedia emergency calls natively.  The exchange of multimedia
   traffic typically involves a SIP session establishment starting with
   a SIP INVITE that negotiates various parameters for that session.

   In some cases, however, the transmission of application data is
   everything that is needed.  Examples of such environments include a
   temperature sensors issuing alerts, or vehicles sending crash data.
   Often these alerts are conveyed as one-shot data transmissions.
   These type of interactions are called 'data-only emergency calls'.
   This document describes a container for the data based on the Common
   Alerting Protocol (CAP) and its transmission using the SIP MESSAGE
   transaction.


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I have reviewed this draft in preparation for IETF LC.  Overall, it's in
good shape, and I have requested the LC.  A couple of minor comments to
address with any LC comments:

Section 1.1:
The definition of "trustworthy location" is circular.  Suggest deleting
"...and has been assessed as trustworthy".

Section 1.1:
"Time-shifting" is more traditionally known as a "replay attack".  Might be
helpful to note this correspondence.

Thanks,
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The IESG has received a request from the Emergency Context Resolution
with Internet Technologies WG (ecrit) to consider the following document:
- 'Trustworthy Location'
  <draft-ietf-ecrit-trustworthy-location-08.txt> as Informational RFC

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Abstract


   For some location-based applications, such as emergency calling or
   roadside assistance, the trustworthiness of location information is
   critically important.

   This document describes how to convey location in a manner that is
   inherently secure and reliable.  It also provides guidelines for
   assessing the trustworthiness of location information.




The file can be obtained via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ecrit-trustworthy-location/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ecrit-trustworthy-location/ballot/


The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D:

   http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2181/




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We've had some list support for adopting the following draft as a work grou=
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draft-gellens-ecrit-ecall

Does anyone object to making this a wg item, and updated charter w/individu=
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Roger Marshall
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I've posted the upcoming agenda in the mat'ls mgr. at the link and inline:

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/89/agenda/agenda-89-ecrit


ECRIT Agenda - 16:30-17:30 GMT, Afternoon Session III, Wednesday, March 5, =
2014 London

5 min * Agenda Bashing, Draft Status Update (Chairs)

5 min * Additional Data related to an Emergency Call (Randy)
http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ecrit-additional-data-20.txt

10 min * Common Alerting Protocol (CAP) based Data-Only Emergency Alerts us=
ing the Session Initiation Protocol (Brian)
http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ecrit-data-only-ea-06.txt

5 min * A LoST extension to support return of complete and similar location=
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http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-marshall-ecrit-similar-location-03.txt

10 min * Internet Protocol-based In-Vehicle Emergency Calls (Randy)
http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-gellens-ecrit-car-crash-02.txt

10 min * Next-Generation Pan-European eCall (Randy)
http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-gellens-ecrit-ecall-03.txt

10 min * Validation of Locations Around a Planned Change
http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-rosen-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-01

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I&#8217;ve posted the upcoming agenda in the mat&#82=
17;ls mgr. at the link and inline:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/89/agenda=
/agenda-89-ecrit">http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/89/agenda/agenda-89-ecrit=
</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black">ECRIT Agenda - 16:30-17:30 GMT, Afternoon Sess=
ion III, Wednesday, March 5, 2014 London<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black">5 min * Agenda Bashing, Draft Status Update (C=
hairs)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black">5 min * Additional Data related to an Emergenc=
y Call (Randy)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black">http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ecrit-additi=
onal-data-20.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black">10 min * Common Alerting Protocol (CAP) based =
Data-Only Emergency Alerts using the Session Initiation Protocol (Brian)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black">http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ecrit-data-o=
nly-ea-06.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black">5 min * A LoST extension to support return of =
complete and similar location info (Brian)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black">http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-marshall-ecrit-si=
milar-location-03.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black">10 min * Internet Protocol-based In-Vehicle Em=
ergency Calls (Randy)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black">http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-gellens-ecrit-car=
-crash-02.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black">10 min * Next-Generation Pan-European eCall (R=
andy)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black">http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-gellens-ecrit-eca=
ll-03.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black">10 min * Validation of Locations Around a Plan=
ned Change<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black">http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-rosen-ecrit-lost-=
planned-changes-01<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black">5 min * Discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Roger Marshall &amp; Marc Linsner<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">ECRIT chairs<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Hi Roger,

I am sorry for not having jumped on this one sooner.
In theory I am not against the idea. I am not against some of the =
mechanisms described in the document, but I do have concerns about some =
of the possible duplication of information hat may exist between the =
PIDF-LO and what is being conveyed in the MSD.

I think that we need to make sure the new XMLed MSD structure doesn=92t =
replicate data or information already covered elsewhere. Indeed, it may =
be better to extend some elements of the existing additional data =
specification if required to subsume the missing elements that exist in =
MSD and simply use that document at least for data representation and =
then just have a light-weight eCall document saying what to fill out.

Cheers
James


On 18 Feb 2014, at 10:37 am, Roger Marshall <RMarshall@telecomsys.com> =
wrote:

> Another question:
> We=92ve had some list support for adopting the following draft as a =
work group item, (though not a lot of activity since).
> =20
> draft-gellens-ecrit-ecall
> =20
> Does anyone object to making this a wg item, and updated charter =
w/individual milestone?
> =20
> Roger Marshall
> ECRIT co-chair
> =20
> =20
> Roger S. Marshall
> Senior Member of Technical Staff
> TeleCommunication Systems, Inc. (TCS)
> 2401 Elliott Ave, Flr. 2
> Seattle, WA  98121
> rmarshall@telecomsys.com
> ph. 206.792.2424
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dwindows-1252"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Hi =
Roger,<div><br></div><div>I am sorry for not having jumped on this one =
sooner.</div><div>In theory I am not against the idea. I am not against =
some of the mechanisms described in the document, but I do have concerns =
about some of the possible duplication of information hat may exist =
between the PIDF-LO and what is being conveyed in the =
MSD.</div><div><br></div><div>I think that we need to make sure the new =
XMLed MSD structure doesn=92t replicate data or information already =
covered elsewhere. Indeed, it may be better to extend some elements of =
the existing additional data specification if required to subsume the =
missing elements that exist in MSD and simply use that document at least =
for data representation and then just have a light-weight eCall document =
saying what to fill =
out.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div>James</div><div><br></div><=
div><br><div><div>On 18 Feb 2014, at 10:37 am, Roger Marshall &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:RMarshall@telecomsys.com">RMarshall@telecomsys.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
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text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class=3D"WordSection1" =
style=3D"page: WordSection1;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Another =
question:<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">We=92ve had some =
list support for adopting the following draft as a work group item, =
(though not a lot of activity since).<o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11.5pt; background-color: white; =
background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial =
initial;">draft-gellens-ecrit-ecall</span><o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Does =
anyone object to making this a wg item, and updated charter w/individual =
milestone?<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Roger =
Marshall<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">ECRIT =
co-chair<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Roger S. =
Marshall<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Senior Member of =
Technical Staff<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">TeleCommunication =
Systems, Inc. (TCS)<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">2401 =
Elliott Ave, Flr. 2<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Seattle, =
WA&nbsp; 98121<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a =
href=3D"mailto:rmarshall@telecomsys.com" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: =
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style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;">ph. 206.792.2424<o:p></o:p></div><div =
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