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A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.

        
        RFC 7840

        Title:      A Routing Request Extension for 
                    the HTTP-Enabled Location Delivery (HELD) Protocol 
        Author:     J. Winterbottom, H. Tschofenig, L. Liess
        Status:     Standards Track
        Stream:     IETF
        Date:       May 2016
        Mailbox:    a.james.winterbottom@gmail.com, 
                    Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net, 
                    L.Liess@telekom.de
        Pages:      16
        Characters: 30696
        Updates:    RFC 5985, RFC 6881

        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-ecrit-held-routing-05.txt

        URL:        https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7840

        DOI:        http://dx.doi.org/10.17487/RFC7840

For cases where location servers have access to emergency routing
information, they are able to return routing information with the
location information if the location request includes a request for
the desired routing information.  This document specifies an
extension to the HTTP-Enabled Location Delivery (HELD) protocol that
updates RFC 5985 to support this function.  Allowing location and
routing information to be acquired in a single request response
exchange updates RFC 6881, as current location acquisition and route
determination procedures are separate operations.

This document is a product of the Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies Working Group of the IETF.

This is now a Proposed Standard.

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I think we need to keep in mind that the ecall draft makes use of the 
mechanism established in additional-data.  I've said before that if 
we find we have new use cases that require very large data or 
high-frequency updates, we can do an extension to additional-data 
that adds a data channel mechanism that preserves the other aspects 
of additional-data (e.g., that data blocks are identified per a 
registry and the PSAP can choose to access the data or not).

At 3:17 PM +0000 5/16/16, Roger Marshall wrote:

>>  We seem to be at somewhat of an impasse with regard to reaching an 
>> agreement on the mechanism that ecall draft should use to 
>> transport initial information.  There are differing opinions as to 
>> how data could be, or even should be conveyed within a SIP Invite, 
>> but so far we've not seen any proposed text that would change this 
>> in the present draft.
>>
>
>>  The chairs desire to progress this draft through the process as 
>> per the agreement discussed in BA.  We would like to hear from the 
>> wg members, namely, should we expect to get some proposed 
>> alternatives in the next week so we can try to reach consensus on 
>> the list, or alternatively, immediately schedule an interim 
>> meeting to get some traction?
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>>  Roger & Marc
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Hi,

A few comments:

=20

Q1: The reason people (at least those involved in the 3GPP work) haven=B9t
"provided any text" is because the work in 3GPP is still ongoing.

=20

Q2: SA1 has agreed that it shall be possible to send cCall data using an
eCall modem in the voice channel, e.g. in case the eCall ends up in
CS-PSAP. URNs defined by the draft will need to support be needed for that
too.
=20

	3GPP TS 22.101 says:

	"An IVS that supports IMS emergency call based eCalls and is attached via
LTE access with no CS access available shall support the transfer of MSD
via IMS emergency call to a TS12 based PSAP using the eCall Modem
end-to-end."

=20

Q3: Randall said:=20

	"I've said before that if we find we have new use cases that require very
large data or high-frequency updates, we can
	do an extension to additional-data that adds a data channel mechanism
that preserves the other aspects of additional-data
	(e.g., that data blocks are identified per a registry and the PSAP can
choose to access the data or not)."

=20
	First, the draft does not define =B3frequent=B2, nor does it give an expli=
cit
limit on the frequency and size of the INFO requests, which means
different=20
	people will have different views on whether the mechanism is appropriate
for a specific use-case or not. As there is no limit, the frequency of SIP
INFO=20
	is dependent solely on PSAP policy (and PSAP may wish to trigger a lot of
car actions). Such SIP INFO requests will generate unpredictable load on
	operator's SIP infrastructure and endanger success of handling of other
IMS emergency calls.

=20
	Second, the draft already talks about future use-cases (on-board cameras,
PSAP requests for the car to take actions, etc etc), but it=B9s unclear
whether=20
	the intention is to support those with INFO, or whether a "future
mechanism" would be needed for those.

=20
=09

Q4:         Last week, in the SA1 meeting, it was pointed out that the CEN
specification actually specifies that the MSD shall be sent in binary form
=AD not XML.

	"In order to enable interpretation by the PSAP, the MSD shall always be
presented in an ASN.1 encoded module:
	either ASN.1 =8CUnaligned Packet Encoding Rules=B9 (UPER) or ASN.1 =8CExte=
nded
XML Encoding Rules=B9 (EXER) encoding shall be used.

	In the case of an MSD for pan-European eCall sent via GSM/UMTS (EN
16072/EN 16062), the MSD shall be encoded using =8CUnaligned Packed Encodin=
g
	Rules=B9 (UPER) as defined in ISO/IEC 8825-2. The length of this encoded
MSD (including any =8Coptional additional data=B9) shall not exceed 140
	bytes (as specified in EN 16062). Any payload bytes received outside of
the ASN.1 message length shall be ignored by the receiving entity.=B2


	Now, the CEN specification does contain the following note:

	"NOTE 3 If the MSD is transferred using another means of communication
that has no, or less stringent, data limits, XML encoding rules
	may be used if preferred. Annex C contains the derived XSD for such
encoding.=B2

	The eCall draft only covers the choice of encoding by saying: =B3The XML
encoding is better suited for use in SIP messages and is used in this
document.=B2.=20
	If we want to go against the CEN recommendation when it comes to
encoding, and use XML, we really need more justification for using XML.
Based on what do we claim
	that XML is better suited for SIP? Do we assume that SIP message have no
data limits?

Q5:	I still claim that MSDs shall not be carried in INFO responses.


Regards,

Christer

=20




On 17/05/16 04:06, "Ecrit on behalf of Randall Gellens"
<ecrit-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of rg+ietf@randy.pensive.org> wrote:

>I think we need to keep in mind that the ecall draft makes use of the
>mechanism established in additional-data.  I've said before that if
>we find we have new use cases that require very large data or
>high-frequency updates, we can do an extension to additional-data
>that adds a data channel mechanism that preserves the other aspects
>of additional-data (e.g., that data blocks are identified per a
>registry and the PSAP can choose to access the data or not).
>
>At 3:17 PM +0000 5/16/16, Roger Marshall wrote:
>
>>>  We seem to be at somewhat of an impasse with regard to reaching an
>>> agreement on the mechanism that ecall draft should use to
>>> transport initial information.  There are differing opinions as to
>>> how data could be, or even should be conveyed within a SIP Invite,
>>> but so far we've not seen any proposed text that would change this
>>> in the present draft.
>>>
>>
>>>  The chairs desire to progress this draft through the process as
>>> per the agreement discussed in BA.  We would like to hear from the
>>> wg members, namely, should we expect to get some proposed
>>> alternatives in the next week so we can try to reach consensus on
>>> the list, or alternatively, immediately schedule an interim
>>> meeting to get some traction?
>>>
>>>
>>>  Roger & Marc
>>>
>>>  Ecrit Chairs
>>>
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I did a reread of the INFO RFC last night in respect of the above draft, an=
d came to the following conclusions.

1)	Any usage of the INFO method requires a full Info package definition. Wh=
ile there are various mentions of legacy usage, the draft is not trying to =
follow that direction, and in any case I am not convinced new registrations=
 of relevant usage would be allowed down that route. So if the draft is to =
attempt to use the INFO method, it should formally define that method.

2)	The INFO RFC lays down clear instructions for the reviewer of the INFO p=
ackage definition before it can be registered. In my view the current ecrit=
-ecall document would not pass that review.

3)	The INFO RFC makes no reference to transfer of data outside of the INFO =
method itself. My understanding is that the negotiation of the Info package=
 within the Info-Package header field set to 'emergencyCallData.eCall' rela=
tes only to the data transferred in the INFO method using a conformant Info=
 package definition. There therefore needs to be a discussion about what fo=
rms the negotiation mechanism for other information transferred, for exampl=
e in the INVITE request, or other methods of the dialog, if such transfer i=
s needed, and for it to be clearly documented.

4)	As indicated in 3), the INFO RFC does not expect data outside the Info p=
ackage itself, and therefore nothing is stated there about the correlation =
of data between an application tagging things onto the methods of the dialo=
g, and the application using the Info package.

5)	The INFO RFC allows for multiple Info packages to be used on the same di=
alog. There needs to be careful review to ensure that this capability is no=
t compromised either in regard to the existing Info packages, or to new one=
s, particularly in regard to the assumed correlation between data in the In=
fo package, and data transferred elsewhere in the dialog. I'd note that the=
 draft would appear to sanction the inclusion of data in INFO methods belon=
ging to entirely unrelated Info packages.

I would note that I am beginning to question whether there needs to be any =
transfer of data in the INVITE request. Transfer only within the INFO packa=
ge after the response to the INVITE request is exchanged would still meet t=
he 3GPP stage 1 requirements (see 22.101 release 14), and the whole documen=
t would be significantly simpler. None of the contents of the MSD is used f=
or routeing the emergency call. This is without going into discussion about=
 whether transfer using the signalling bearer, or some bearer negotiated us=
ing the SDP, is more appropriate.=20

Regards

Keith Drage


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Looks like I somehow failed to do a reply all on this one, so this is the r=
eply I sent to this:

+1

Indeed many of these are points I have made previously.

On the URNs, as part of the URN definition, we need the draft the define th=
e resources requested by the URN, which as indicated is a resource that sup=
ports both the mechanism in this draft (whatever it ends up being to align =
with the 3GPP discussions) and the existing in band modem type mechanism.

And as regards the INFO usage, if INFO is used, it must be a conforming INF=
O package. Relying on the upper layers is in my view a layer violation.

Keith

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Subject: Re: [Ecrit] -ecall draft: steps to progress


Hi,

A few comments:

=20

Q1: The reason people (at least those involved in the 3GPP work) haven=B9t =
"provided any text" is because the work in 3GPP is still ongoing.

=20

Q2: SA1 has agreed that it shall be possible to send cCall data using an eC=
all modem in the voice channel, e.g. in case the eCall ends up in CS-PSAP. =
URNs defined by the draft will need to support be needed for that too.
=20

	3GPP TS 22.101 says:

	"An IVS that supports IMS emergency call based eCalls and is attached via =
LTE access with no CS access available shall support the transfer of MSD vi=
a IMS emergency call to a TS12 based PSAP using the eCall Modem end-to-end.=
"

=20

Q3: Randall said:=20

	"I've said before that if we find we have new use cases that require very =
large data or high-frequency updates, we can
	do an extension to additional-data that adds a data channel mechanism that=
 preserves the other aspects of additional-data
	(e.g., that data blocks are identified per a registry and the PSAP can cho=
ose to access the data or not)."

=20
	First, the draft does not define =B3frequent=B2, nor does it give an expli=
cit limit on the frequency and size of the INFO requests, which means diffe=
rent=20
	people will have different views on whether the mechanism is appropriate f=
or a specific use-case or not. As there is no limit, the frequency of SIP I=
NFO=20
	is dependent solely on PSAP policy (and PSAP may wish to trigger a lot of =
car actions). Such SIP INFO requests will generate unpredictable load on
	operator's SIP infrastructure and endanger success of handling of other IM=
S emergency calls.

=20
	Second, the draft already talks about future use-cases (on-board cameras, =
PSAP requests for the car to take actions, etc etc), but it=B9s unclear whe=
ther=20
	the intention is to support those with INFO, or whether a "future mechanis=
m" would be needed for those.

=20
=09

Q4:         Last week, in the SA1 meeting, it was pointed out that the CEN
specification actually specifies that the MSD shall be sent in binary form =
=AD not XML.

	"In order to enable interpretation by the PSAP, the MSD shall always be pr=
esented in an ASN.1 encoded module:
	either ASN.1 =8CUnaligned Packet Encoding Rules=B9 (UPER) or ASN.1 =8CExte=
nded XML Encoding Rules=B9 (EXER) encoding shall be used.

	In the case of an MSD for pan-European eCall sent via GSM/UMTS (EN 16072/E=
N 16062), the MSD shall be encoded using =8CUnaligned Packed Encoding
	Rules=B9 (UPER) as defined in ISO/IEC 8825-2. The length of this encoded M=
SD (including any =8Coptional additional data=B9) shall not exceed 140
	bytes (as specified in EN 16062). Any payload bytes received outside of th=
e ASN.1 message length shall be ignored by the receiving entity.=B2


	Now, the CEN specification does contain the following note:

	"NOTE 3 If the MSD is transferred using another means of communication tha=
t has no, or less stringent, data limits, XML encoding rules
	may be used if preferred. Annex C contains the derived XSD for such encodi=
ng.=B2

	The eCall draft only covers the choice of encoding by saying: =B3The XML e=
ncoding is better suited for use in SIP messages and is used in this docume=
nt.=B2.=20
	If we want to go against the CEN recommendation when it comes to encoding,=
 and use XML, we really need more justification for using XML.
Based on what do we claim
	that XML is better suited for SIP? Do we assume that SIP message have no d=
ata limits?

Q5:	I still claim that MSDs shall not be carried in INFO responses.


Regards,

Christer

=20




On 17/05/16 04:06, "Ecrit on behalf of Randall Gellens"
<ecrit-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of rg+ietf@randy.pensive.org> wrote:

>I think we need to keep in mind that the ecall draft makes use of the=20
>mechanism established in additional-data.  I've said before that if we=20
>find we have new use cases that require very large data or=20
>high-frequency updates, we can do an extension to additional-data that=20
>adds a data channel mechanism that preserves the other aspects of=20
>additional-data (e.g., that data blocks are identified per a registry=20
>and the PSAP can choose to access the data or not).
>
>At 3:17 PM +0000 5/16/16, Roger Marshall wrote:
>
>>>  We seem to be at somewhat of an impasse with regard to reaching an=20
>>> agreement on the mechanism that ecall draft should use to transport=20
>>> initial information.  There are differing opinions as to how data=20
>>> could be, or even should be conveyed within a SIP Invite, but so far=20
>>> we've not seen any proposed text that would change this in the=20
>>> present draft.
>>>
>>
>>>  The chairs desire to progress this draft through the process as per=20
>>> the agreement discussed in BA.  We would like to hear from the wg=20
>>> members, namely, should we expect to get some proposed alternatives=20
>>> in the next week so we can try to reach consensus on the list, or=20
>>> alternatively, immediately schedule an interim meeting to get some=20
>>> traction?
>>>
>>>
>>>  Roger & Marc
>>>
>>>  Ecrit Chairs
>>>
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I did another read through of this document last night, and had the followi=
ng comments. I have not reviewed the entire document.

Note that this does not supercede any of the comments made in the last few =
days:

1)	s. 2, 1st para: ecall in 3GPP is a 3GPP emergency call, and while there =
are some similarities, 3GPP emergency call does not fully comply with eithe=
r RFC 6443 or RFC 6881. I am also not sure the references are relevant to t=
he purpose of the draft in any case.

2)	s. 2, 3rd and 4th para: These paragraphs seem to be going beyond documen=
t scope, and into a wish list. I suggest both these paragraphs are deleted.

3)	s. 3, 4th paragraph:

   An eCall can be either user-initiated or automatically triggered.
   Automatically triggered eCalls indicate a car crash or some other
   serious incident and carry a greater presumption of risk of injury.
   Manually triggered eCalls might be reports of serious hazards and are
   likely to require a different response than an automatically
   triggered eCall.  Manually triggered eCalls are also more likely to
   be false (e.g., accidental) calls and so might be subject to
   different operational handling by the PSAP.

The distinction between seriousness and impact of manual versus automatic i=
s highly subjective, and will depend on the underlying philosophy of the ad=
ministration in how it handles what it regards as false alerts, which diffe=
rs substantially from administration to administration.

4)	s. 3, 5th para:

   As part of this work, the European Telecommunications
   Standards Institute (ETSI) [SDO-ETSI] has published a Technical
   Report titled "Mobile Standards Group (MSG); eCall for VoIP" [MSG_TR]
   that presents findings and recommendations regarding support for
   eCall in an all-IP environment.

This somehow implies that the contents of this document are valid for the i=
nterpretation of the draft. Vewry little of the work has migrated into the =
stage 1 in 3GPP, and the other groups in 3GPP are working directly from the=
 stage 1 description, not from the ETSI work.

5)	s. 3 last para:

   A transition period will exist during which time the various entities
   involved in initiating and handling an eCall might support next-
   generation eCall, legacy eCall, or both.  This transition period
   might last several years or longer.  The issue of migration/co-
   existence during the transition period is very important but is
   outside the scope of this document.  The ETSI TR "Mobile Standards
   Group (MSG); eCall for VoIP" [MSG_TR] discusses these issues in
   Clause 7.

I have not found any statements that support the concept of a transition in=
 any of the documents I have read. The 3GPP stage 1 requires both UEs and P=
SAPs to support both data transfer mechanisms.

6)	s. 3 general

Some statement should be made in this section about the need for the UE and=
 the PSAP to support both mechanisms within SIP, as required by the stage 1=
, as the 3GPP emergency network does not provide any data interworking, onl=
y signalling interworking. Interworking SIP to CS domain, any attached body=
 to a SIP message will be discarded.

7)	s. 4 reference to 22.101, and s. 18.1. This document carries no provisio=
ns needed to implement this document, and therefore it should not be a norm=
ative reference. Further the reference should be to release 14 and later. T=
he latest version of all releases of 3GPP documents are still valid documen=
ts for that release.

8)	s. 4. Is considerably out of data in regard to the current version of 22=
.101. This appears to be a summary of the CS requirements before the IMS ch=
anges were made.

9)	s. 6 last para.

   This document registers new service URN children within the "sos"
   subservice.  These URNs provide the mechanism by which an eCall is
   identified, and differentiate between manually and automatically
   triggered eCalls (which can be subject to different treatment,
   depending on policy).  The two service URNs are:
   urn:service:sos.ecall.automatic and urn:service:sos.ecall.manual

The URN does not identify an ecall. It identifies the resource to which the=
 ecall needs to be directed. To explain further, the sos URN does not ident=
ify an emergency call, it identifies the resource needed to answer the emer=
gency call, which is why we have a separate Resource-Priority namespace "es=
net".

10)	s.7=09

Europe does not use the term ESInet. That term is North America, and possib=
ly USA, specific. It might be more appropriate to use terminology from the =
ETSI M483 group if this text is needed at all.

11)	s.8

In regard to test calls, I think some statement should be made about what t=
hey actually test. Using this URN would certainly not test the emergency ca=
ll handling capabilities of either the network or the UE. Does it test all =
data transfer capabilities (including the CS). Why do we need a URN rather =
than just the same number as is used in the CS domain?

12)	s.9

   Future enhancements are desired to enable the PSAP to send other
   requests to the vehicle, such as locking or unlocking doors, sounding
   the horn, flashing the lights, starting a video stream from on-board
   cameras (such as rear focus or blind-spot), etc.

Do you have a reference for this, or is it speculative thinking?

I do not think the mechanisms proposed in this draft are suitable for trans=
ferring a video stream, so even if provided, are they part of ecall, or jus=
t part of the standard emergency call. Maybe the only ecall responsibility =
is to indicate the existence of these?

I'd note that extending beyond the existing CS domain capability is not req=
uired at the moment by the 3GPP stage 1. I think we all acknowledge that al=
l and any data available in the car might be candidates for transfer to the=
 PSAP, but it is not clear whether this is part of ecall, or whether it is =
part of the additional media beyond voice already available as part of 3GPP=
 emergency call. Certainly there is a limit on the amount of data that can =
be transferred using the mechanisms currently in this draft, beyond which t=
he QoS of the signalling channel will become inappropriate.

13)	s.9 & s.13

It is not clear to me which elements correspond to the existing MSD defined=
 by CEN, and which have been defined over the top. Firstly I think all data=
 that is defined by CEN should carry an appropriate CEN reference, because =
the UE needs to support both, and it should be the same data that is transf=
erred in this. That should occur either in one of these sections, or in a n=
ew separate section.

Further, if information does go over the top of the existing CEN definition=
, this needs additional review and possibly postponement to a later version=
, as this is not required by the current 3GPP stage 1.

14)	s.14.3

         A call-back from a PSAP incurs additional risk,
         since the current mechanisms are not ideal for verifying that
         such a call is indeed a call-back from a PSAP in response to an
         emergency call placed by the IVS.  See the discussion in
         Section 11 and the PSAP Callback document [RFC7090].

I do not understand why call-back is being referred to here. Can you explai=
n?



Regards

Keith Drage


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Late last year I started using the schemas from
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errors in the XSD included in that document.

I communicated this information directly with the authors and based upon
the correspondence I received from on the authors led me to believe that my
recommended changes would be included in the next version of the document.

However, when version 38 was published I discovered that it did not include
my recommended changes.

The attached PDF file includes a summary of the recommended changes along
with the reasoning behind those recommendations. The attached XSD files
include the recommended changes, including the one change that was made to
the vcard schema in version 38 for the "tel" element.

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-ietf-ecrit-additional-data-37 and found what I believe to be some errors i=
n the XSD included in that document.</div><div><br></div><div>I communicate=
d this information directly with the authors and based upon the corresponde=
nce I received from on the authors led me to believe that my recommended ch=
anges would be included in the next version of the document.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>However, when version 38 was published I discovered that it did =
not include my recommended changes.</div><div><br></div><div>The attached P=
DF file includes a summary of the recommended changes along with the reason=
ing behind those recommendations. The attached XSD files include the recomm=
ended changes, including the one change that was made to the vcard schema i=
n version 38 for the &quot;tel&quot; element.</div><div><br></div><div>Can =
anyone tell me what happened?<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Philip H. Reichl</div><div>Modul=
ar Communication Systems</div><div>Tel: 818-764-1333 ext. 308</div></div></=
div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">At our ECRIT meeting in BA, the work group agreed wi=
th the chairs&#8217; action to request of the list, adoption of this ID as =
an official WG item, with the intention of submitting it for WGLC, once ado=
pted.&nbsp; This is reflected in the posted meeting
 notes.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Does anyone object to adopting this draft as an ECRI=
T working group item?
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ros=
en-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-03.txt">https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft=
-rosen-ecrit-lost-planned-changes-03.txt</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Roger Marshall &amp; Marc Linsner<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">ECRIT Chairs<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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