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Kind regards Ivo -----Original Message----- From: Randall Gellens [mailto:rg+ietf@randy.pensive.org]=20 Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 4:52 PM To: Ivo Sedlacek Subject: RE: [Ecrit] Ivo's review of draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-15 - ISSUE 7 At 7:04 AM +0000 10/31/16, Ivo Sedlacek wrote: > Hello, > > >> > > >> > ISSUE 7 >> > > >> > >> > > >> > section 6 - "The IVS then attaches an updated MSD to a SIP >> > > >> > INFO request and sends it within the dialog." -=20 >> what is meant by >> > > >> > "attaching MSD to SIP INFO request"? >> > > >> >> > > >> I think that's made abundantly clear in the multiple earlier >> > > >> instances in the same section that say "as a MIME body part". >> > > > >> > > > I do not really know what "attach body to SIP request" means. >> > > > Likely, other readers will not know it either. >> > > > >> > > > A reference to a section defining how to "attach body to=20 >> SIP request" >> > > > would help. >> > > >> > > It's the same section, just a little bit before. >> > >> > I assume you refer -19 text stating: "[RFC7852] establishes a=20 >> general > mechanism for attaching blocks of >> > data to a SIP emergency call." >> >> If you look seven paragraphs above the paragraph in question (same=20 >> section), you'll see: >> >> A PSAP or IVS transmits a metadata/control object (see Section 9) b= y >> encoding it per the description in this document and attaching it t= o >> a SIP message as a MIME body part per [RFC7852]. >> >> Then, three paragraphs later (four paragraphs above the paragraph in >> question) it uses "attach" again: >> >> An In-Vehicle System (IVS) initiating an NG-eCall attaches an MSD t= o >> the initial INVITE and optionally attaches a metadata/control objec= t >> informing the PSAP of its capabilities. >> >> The surrounding text makes it clear that these are "attached" as=20 >> body parts in the SIP message. > > The above still talks about "attaching"/"attaches" without explaining=20 > what it means. > > It can be easily misunderstood to refer to inclusion of a body part=20 > with Content-Disposition "attachment" in a SIP message. Not so easily misunderstood, since the text repeatedly makes it very clear = which Content-Disposition value to use. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- Perhaps the real reas= on why we have always been able to champion free speech in this country is = that we know perfectly well that hardly anybody has got anything to say, an= d that no one will listen to anyone that has. -- Editorial, Daily Mail [British Paper, date unknown] From nobody Tue Nov 1 05:48:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D2A1295A7 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 05:48:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5SJtuyYpWddf for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 05:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alum-mailsec-scanner-4.mit.edu (alum-mailsec-scanner-4.mit.edu [18.7.68.15]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22A812945E for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 05:48:43 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 1207440f-20bff700000009a9-4b-58188f2a9a34 Received: from outgoing-alum.mit.edu (OUTGOING-ALUM.MIT.EDU [18.7.68.33]) by alum-mailsec-scanner-4.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 3D.6A.02473.A2F88185; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 08:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.110] (c-73-186-127-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.186.127.100]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as pkyzivat@ALUM.MIT.EDU) by outgoing-alum.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id uA1CmfVG011611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 08:48:42 -0400 To: ecrit@ietf.org References: From: Paul Kyzivat Message-ID: <181874aa-8dc1-8cd5-3ced-9965ba071b82@alum.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 08:48:41 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFjrFIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixO6iqKvVLxFhcO6JkUXjoqesDoweS5b8 ZApgjOKySUnNySxLLdK3S+DKmHV8I1PBG/mKly1H2BsYt0h0MXJySAiYSGx6tompi5GLQ0jg MqPE6hcP2CCc10wS3ye3MYNUCQt4SLT/PssKYosICEm8u/WXBaLoEaNE66YHYAk2AS2JOYf+ AyU4OHgF7CWOPOIHCbMIqEj8vf4frERUIE1i+7rdYDN5BQQlTs58AlbOKZAo0ffACSTMLGAr cWcuRAmzgLzE9rdzmCcw8s1C0jELSdksJGULGJlXMcol5pTm6uYmZuYUpybrFicn5uWlFuma 6OVmluilppRuYoQEGf8Oxq71MocYBTgYlXh4N3iKRwixJpYVV+YeYpTkYFIS5f0aBhTiS8pP qcxILM6ILyrNSS0+xCjBwawkwsvVKxEhxJuSWFmVWpQPk5LmYFES51Vfou4nJJCeWJKanZpa kFoEk5Xh4FCS4J0B0ihYlJqeWpGWmVOCkGbi4AQZzgM0PAtseHFBYm5xZjpE/hSjopQ471qQ hABIIqM0D64XlgReMYoDvSLMa9IHVMUDTCBw3a+ABjMBDTZPAhtckoiQkmpgdHzBczU554rF Y8Ylvrv39S6d/oo3pvehzuHdHVbf7vR4ty1+fL5cwtdvyt3KumOCNz7xtLV+ZmL1yvy3Y4Gb ixBzc/XfqvOf+c7lSOVE21doPM2X4go1YJxTOnfGF8eGM/eC2Sw1Z4eLPDt59n3w0v2/DyWm Mvlbi/le+17MxJ+2K+rPqc/blViKMxINtZiLihMBu2f/Wd0CAAA= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Ivo's review of draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-15 - ISSUE 7 X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2016 12:48:45 -0000 On 11/1/16 3:05 AM, Ivo Sedlacek wrote: > Randall, > > so, what does "attach" mean if it does not meant Content-Disposition: attachment? IMO "attach X (to a sip message) means to package X as a mime body part and include it in the body of the message. That in turn means either: - make it the complete body of the message if there are no other parts, and if it can validly be done that way; - include it as a subordinate body part within a multipart/mixed that it the outer part of the body of the message. In any case, it may then be necessary to do something more to ensure that the recipient will know what is the intent of the body part. In some cases this may be simply tagging it with appropriate content-type and content-disposition. In other cases it may also require including some sort of reference to it via a header field in the message or somewhere in one of the other body parts. That is a "general" answer. It needs to be defined in detail for each case. Thanks, Paul > Kind regards > > Ivo > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall Gellens [mailto:rg+ietf@randy.pensive.org] > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 4:52 PM > To: Ivo Sedlacek > Subject: RE: [Ecrit] Ivo's review of draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-15 - ISSUE 7 > > At 7:04 AM +0000 10/31/16, Ivo Sedlacek wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> >>> > > >> > ISSUE 7 >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > section 6 - "The IVS then attaches an updated MSD to a SIP >>> > > >> > INFO request and sends it within the dialog." - >>> what is meant by >>> > > >> > "attaching MSD to SIP INFO request"? >>> > > >> >>> > > >> I think that's made abundantly clear in the multiple earlier >>> > > >> instances in the same section that say "as a MIME body part". >>> > > > >>> > > > I do not really know what "attach body to SIP request" means. >>> > > > Likely, other readers will not know it either. >>> > > > >>> > > > A reference to a section defining how to "attach body to >>> SIP request" >>> > > > would help. >>> > > >>> > > It's the same section, just a little bit before. >>> > >>> > I assume you refer -19 text stating: "[RFC7852] establishes a >>> general > mechanism for attaching blocks of >>> > data to a SIP emergency call." >>> >>> If you look seven paragraphs above the paragraph in question (same >>> section), you'll see: >>> >>> A PSAP or IVS transmits a metadata/control object (see Section 9) by >>> encoding it per the description in this document and attaching it to >>> a SIP message as a MIME body part per [RFC7852]. >>> >>> Then, three paragraphs later (four paragraphs above the paragraph in >>> question) it uses "attach" again: >>> >>> An In-Vehicle System (IVS) initiating an NG-eCall attaches an MSD to >>> the initial INVITE and optionally attaches a metadata/control object >>> informing the PSAP of its capabilities. >>> >>> The surrounding text makes it clear that these are "attached" as >>> body parts in the SIP message. >> >> The above still talks about "attaching"/"attaches" without explaining >> what it means. >> >> It can be easily misunderstood to refer to inclusion of a body part >> with Content-Disposition "attachment" in a SIP message. > > Not so easily misunderstood, since the text repeatedly makes it very clear which Content-Disposition value to use. > > -- > Randall Gellens > Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only > -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- Perhaps the real reason why we have always been able to champion free speech in this country is that we know perfectly well that hardly anybody has got anything to say, and that no one will listen to anyone > that has. -- Editorial, Daily Mail [British Paper, date unknown] > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > From nobody Tue Nov 1 07:01:41 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE995129527 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 07:01:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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However, I do not see a statement "attach X to SIP message means ...." in t= he draft. Kind regards Ivo -----Original Message----- From: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Paul Kyzivat Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 1:49 PM To: ecrit@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Ivo's review of draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-15 - ISSUE 7 On 11/1/16 3:05 AM, Ivo Sedlacek wrote: > Randall, > > so, what does "attach" mean if it does not meant Content-Disposition: att= achment? IMO "attach X (to a sip message) means to package X as a mime body part and= include it in the body of the message. That in turn means either: - make it the complete body of the message if there are no other parts, and if it can validly be done that way; - include it as a subordinate body part within a multipart/mixed that it the outer part of the body of the message. In any case, it may then be necessary to do something more to ensure that t= he recipient will know what is the intent of the body part. In some cases t= his may be simply tagging it with appropriate content-type and content-disp= osition. In other cases it may also require including some sort of referenc= e to it via a header field in the message or somewhere in one of the other = body parts. That is a "general" answer. It needs to be defined in detail for each case. Thanks, Paul > Kind regards > > Ivo > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall Gellens [mailto:rg+ietf@randy.pensive.org] > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 4:52 PM > To: Ivo Sedlacek > Subject: RE: [Ecrit] Ivo's review of draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-15 - ISSUE=20 > 7 > > At 7:04 AM +0000 10/31/16, Ivo Sedlacek wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> >>> > > >> > ISSUE 7 >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > section 6 - "The IVS then attaches an updated MSD to a SI= P >>> > > >> > INFO request and sends it within the dialog." - >>> what is meant by >>> > > >> > "attaching MSD to SIP INFO request"? >>> > > >> >>> > > >> I think that's made abundantly clear in the multiple earlier >>> > > >> instances in the same section that say "as a MIME body part"= . >>> > > > >>> > > > I do not really know what "attach body to SIP request" means= . >>> > > > Likely, other readers will not know it either. >>> > > > >>> > > > A reference to a section defining how to "attach body to >>> SIP request" >>> > > > would help. >>> > > >>> > > It's the same section, just a little bit before. >>> > >>> > I assume you refer -19 text stating: "[RFC7852] establishes a=20 >>> general > mechanism for attaching blocks of >>> > data to a SIP emergency call." >>> >>> If you look seven paragraphs above the paragraph in question (same=20 >>> section), you'll see: >>> >>> A PSAP or IVS transmits a metadata/control object (see Section 9) = by >>> encoding it per the description in this document and attaching it = to >>> a SIP message as a MIME body part per [RFC7852]. >>> >>> Then, three paragraphs later (four paragraphs above the paragraph=20 >>> in >>> question) it uses "attach" again: >>> >>> An In-Vehicle System (IVS) initiating an NG-eCall attaches an MSD = to >>> the initial INVITE and optionally attaches a metadata/control obje= ct >>> informing the PSAP of its capabilities. >>> >>> The surrounding text makes it clear that these are "attached" as=20 >>> body parts in the SIP message. >> >> The above still talks about "attaching"/"attaches" without=20 >> explaining what it means. >> >> It can be easily misunderstood to refer to inclusion of a body part=20 >> with Content-Disposition "attachment" in a SIP message. > > Not so easily misunderstood, since the text repeatedly makes it very clea= r which Content-Disposition value to use. > > -- > Randall Gellens > Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only > -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- Perhaps the real re= ason why we have always been able to champion free speech in this country i= s that we know perfectly well that hardly anybody has got anything to say, = and that no one will listen to anyone > that has. -- Editorial, Daily Mail [British Paper, date unknown] > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > _______________________________________________ Ecrit mailing list Ecrit@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit From nobody Tue Nov 1 08:50:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E762D12946B for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 08:50:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER SECTION, Duplicate header field: "MIME-Version" X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.397 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.397 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gw6pcFHkkmLa for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 08:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turing.pensive.org (turing.pensive.org [99.111.97.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5175712941D for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 08:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [99.111.97.136] (99.111.97.161) by turing.pensive.org with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9); Tue, 1 Nov 2016 08:49:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <181874aa-8dc1-8cd5-3ced-9965ba071b82@alum.mit.edu> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 08:49:55 -0700 To: Ivo Sedlacek , Paul Kyzivat , "ecrit@ietf.org" From: Randall Gellens Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Ivo's review of draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-15 - ISSUE 7 X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2016 15:50:01 -0000 Hi Ivo, It is explained in the same section. A few paragraphs up it says: An In-Vehicle System (IVS) transmits an MSD (see Section 5) by encoding it per Annex A of EN 15722 [msd] and attaching it to a SIP message as a MIME body part per [RFC7852]. [....] A PSAP or IVS transmits a metadata/control object (see Section 9) by encoding it per the description in this document and attaching it to a SIP message as a MIME body part per [RFC7852]. It also makes clear that the body part is in a multipart and which Content-Disposition is used: An MSD or a metadata/control block is always enclosed in a multipart (normally multipart/mixed) body part (even if it would otherwise be the only body part in the SIP message), since as of the date of this document, the use of Content-ID as a SIP header field is not defined (while it is defined for use as a MIME header field). A body part containing an MSD or metadata/control object has a Content-Disposition header field value containing "By-Reference". It later uses "attach" as short-hand for the process described above: An In-Vehicle System (IVS) initiating an NG-eCall attaches an MSD to the initial INVITE and optionally attaches a metadata/control object informing the PSAP of its capabilities. --Randy At 2:01 PM +0000 11/1/16, Ivo Sedlacek wrote: > Hello Paul, > > Your interpretation of "attach X to SIP message" makes sense to me. > > However, I do not see a statement "attach X to SIP message means > ...." in the draft. > > Kind regards > > Ivo > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Paul Kyzivat > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 1:49 PM > To: ecrit@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Ivo's review of draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-15 - ISSUE 7 > > On 11/1/16 3:05 AM, Ivo Sedlacek wrote: >> Randall, >> >> so, what does "attach" mean if it does not meant >> Content-Disposition: attachment? > > > IMO "attach X (to a sip message) means to package X as a mime body > part and include it in the body of the message. That in turn means > either: > - make it the complete body of the message if there are no other > parts, and if it can validly be done that way; > > - include it as a subordinate body part within a multipart/mixed that > it the outer part of the body of the message. > > In any case, it may then be necessary to do something more to > ensure that the recipient will know what is the intent of the body > part. In some cases this may be simply tagging it with appropriate > content-type and content-disposition. In other cases it may also > require including some sort of reference to it via a header field > in the message or somewhere in one of the other body parts. > > That is a "general" answer. It needs to be defined in detail for each case. > > Thanks, > Paul > >> Kind regards >> >> Ivo >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Randall Gellens [mailto:rg+ietf@randy.pensive.org] >> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 4:52 PM >> To: Ivo Sedlacek >> Subject: RE: [Ecrit] Ivo's review of draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-15 - ISSUE >> 7 >> >> At 7:04 AM +0000 10/31/16, Ivo Sedlacek wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>>> > > >> > ISSUE 7 >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> > section 6 - "The IVS then attaches an updated MSD to a SIP >>>> > > >> > INFO request and sends it within the dialog." - >>>> what is meant by >>>> > > >> > "attaching MSD to SIP INFO request"? >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> I think that's made abundantly clear in the multiple earlier >>>> > > >> instances in the same section that say "as a MIME body part". >>>> > > > >>>> > > > I do not really know what "attach body to SIP request" means. >>>> > > > Likely, other readers will not know it either. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > A reference to a section defining how to "attach body to > >>> SIP request" >>>> > > > would help. >>>> > > >>>> > > It's the same section, just a little bit before. >>>> > >>>> > I assume you refer -19 text stating: "[RFC7852] establishes a >>>> general > mechanism for attaching blocks of >>>> > data to a SIP emergency call." >>>> >>>> If you look seven paragraphs above the paragraph in question (same >>>> section), you'll see: >>>> >>>> A PSAP or IVS transmits a metadata/control object (see Section 9) by >>>> encoding it per the description in this document and attaching it to >>>> a SIP message as a MIME body part per [RFC7852]. >>>> >>>> Then, three paragraphs later (four paragraphs above the paragraph >>>> in >>>> question) it uses "attach" again: >>>> >>>> An In-Vehicle System (IVS) initiating an NG-eCall attaches an MSD to >>>> the initial INVITE and optionally attaches a metadata/control object >>>> informing the PSAP of its capabilities. >>>> >>>> The surrounding text makes it clear that these are "attached" as >>>> body parts in the SIP message. >>> >>> The above still talks about "attaching"/"attaches" without >>> explaining what it means. >>> >>> It can be easily misunderstood to refer to inclusion of a body part >>> with Content-Disposition "attachment" in a SIP message. >> >> Not so easily misunderstood, since the text repeatedly makes it >> very clear which Content-Disposition value to use. >> >> -- >> Randall Gellens >> Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only >> -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- Perhaps the >> real reason why we have always been able to champion free speech >> in this country is that we know perfectly well that hardly anybody >> has got anything to say, and that no one will listen to anyone >> that has. -- Editorial, Daily Mail [British Paper, date unknown] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ecrit mailing list >> Ecrit@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts. --Albert Einstein From nobody Wed Nov 2 01:36:24 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B1B31294BE for ; 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The statements nearest to stating "attach X to SIP message means ...." are --------- An In-Vehicle System (IVS) transmits an MSD (see Section 5) by encoding it per Annex A of EN 15722 [msd] and attaching it to a SIP message as a MIME body part per [RFC7852]. --------- and --------- A PSAP or IVS transmits a metadata/control object (see Section 9) by encoding it per the description in this document and attaching it to a SIP message as a MIME body part per [RFC7852]. --------- but RFC7852 does not say "attach X to SIP message means ...." either. What statements of RFC7852 did you intend to refer to in the statements abo= ve? PS: I have been following this discussion for quite some time. If I do NOT = understand what "attach X to SIP message" means, how can a reader who has N= OT followed this discussion understand it? Kind regards Ivo -----Original Message----- From: Randall Gellens [mailto:rg+ietf@randy.pensive.org]=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 4:50 PM To: Ivo Sedlacek ; Paul Kyzivat ; ecrit@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Ivo's review of draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-15 - ISSUE 7 Hi Ivo, It is explained in the same section. A few paragraphs up it says: An In-Vehicle System (IVS) transmits an MSD (see Section 5) by encoding it per Annex A of EN 15722 [msd] and attaching it to a SIP message as a MIME body part per [RFC7852]. [....] A PSAP or IVS transmits a metadata/control object (see Section 9) by encoding it per the description in this document and attaching it to a SIP message as a MIME body part per [RFC7852]. It also makes clear that the body part is in a multipart and which Content-= Disposition is used: An MSD or a metadata/control block is always enclosed in a multipart (normally multipart/mixed) body part (even if it would otherwise be the only body part in the SIP message), since as of the date of this document, the use of Content-ID as a SIP header field is not defined (while it is defined for use as a MIME header field). A body part containing an MSD or metadata/control object has a Content-Disposition header field value containing "By-Reference". It later uses "attach" as short-hand for the process described above: An In-Vehicle System (IVS) initiating an NG-eCall attaches an MSD to the initial INVITE and optionally attaches a metadata/control object informing the PSAP of its capabilities. --Randy At 2:01 PM +0000 11/1/16, Ivo Sedlacek wrote: > Hello Paul, > > Your interpretation of "attach X to SIP message" makes sense to me. > > However, I do not see a statement "attach X to SIP message means=20 > ...." in the draft. > > Kind regards > > Ivo > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Paul Kyzivat > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 1:49 PM > To: ecrit@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Ivo's review of draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-15 -=20 > ISSUE 7 > > On 11/1/16 3:05 AM, Ivo Sedlacek wrote: >> Randall, >> >> so, what does "attach" mean if it does not meant >> Content-Disposition: attachment? > > > IMO "attach X (to a sip message) means to package X as a mime body=20 > part and include it in the body of the message. That in turn means > either: > - make it the complete body of the message if there are no other > parts, and if it can validly be done that way; > > - include it as a subordinate body part within a multipart/mixed that > it the outer part of the body of the message. > > In any case, it may then be necessary to do something more to ensure=20 > that the recipient will know what is the intent of the body part. In=20 > some cases this may be simply tagging it with appropriate content-type=20 > and content-disposition. In other cases it may also require including=20 > some sort of reference to it via a header field in the message or=20 > somewhere in one of the other body parts. > > That is a "general" answer. It needs to be defined in detail for each ca= se. > > Thanks, > Paul > >> Kind regards >> >> Ivo >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Randall Gellens [mailto:rg+ietf@randy.pensive.org] >> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 4:52 PM >> To: Ivo Sedlacek >> Subject: RE: [Ecrit] Ivo's review of draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-15 -=20 >> ISSUE >> 7 >> >> At 7:04 AM +0000 10/31/16, Ivo Sedlacek wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>>> > > >> > ISSUE 7 >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> > section 6 - "The IVS then attaches an updated MSD to a = SIP >>>> > > >> > INFO request and sends it within the dialog." - >>>> what is meant by >>>> > > >> > "attaching MSD to SIP INFO request"? >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> I think that's made abundantly clear in the multiple earli= er >>>> > > >> instances in the same section that say "as a MIME body par= t". >>>> > > > >>>> > > > I do not really know what "attach body to SIP request" mea= ns. >>>> > > > Likely, other readers will not know it either. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > A reference to a section defining how to "attach body to > >>> SIP request" >>>> > > > would help. >>>> > > >>>> > > It's the same section, just a little bit before. >>>> > >>>> > I assume you refer -19 text stating: "[RFC7852] establishes a =20 >>>> general > mechanism for attaching blocks of >>>> > data to a SIP emergency call." >>>> >>>> If you look seven paragraphs above the paragraph in question=20 >>>> (same section), you'll see: >>>> >>>> A PSAP or IVS transmits a metadata/control object (see Section 9= ) by >>>> encoding it per the description in this document and attaching i= t to >>>> a SIP message as a MIME body part per [RFC7852]. >>>> >>>> Then, three paragraphs later (four paragraphs above the paragraph =20 >>>> in >>>> question) it uses "attach" again: >>>> >>>> An In-Vehicle System (IVS) initiating an NG-eCall attaches an MS= D to >>>> the initial INVITE and optionally attaches a metadata/control ob= ject >>>> informing the PSAP of its capabilities. >>>> >>>> The surrounding text makes it clear that these are "attached" as =20 >>>> body parts in the SIP message. >>> >>> The above still talks about "attaching"/"attaches" without =20 >>> explaining what it means. >>> >>> It can be easily misunderstood to refer to inclusion of a body=20 >>> part with Content-Disposition "attachment" in a SIP message. >> >> Not so easily misunderstood, since the text repeatedly makes it very=20 >> clear which Content-Disposition value to use. >> >> -- >> Randall Gellens >> Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only >> -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- Perhaps the=20 >> real reason why we have always been able to champion free speech in=20 >> this country is that we know perfectly well that hardly anybody has=20 >> got anything to say, and that no one will listen to anyone >> that has. -- Editorial, Daily Mail [British Paper, date unknown] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ecrit mailing list >> Ecrit@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- If the facts don't fi= t the theory, change the facts. --Albert Einstein From nobody Wed Nov 2 11:36:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13923129517 for ; 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Wed, 02 Nov 2016 11:36:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.193.136 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 11:36:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <181874aa-8dc1-8cd5-3ced-9965ba071b82@alum.mit.edu> From: Az Mankin Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 11:36:02 -0700 Message-ID: To: Ivo Sedlacek Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ba4c0b312e1054055b62c Archived-At: Cc: "ecrit@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Ivo's review of draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-15 - ISSUE 7 X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 18:36:09 -0000 --001a113ba4c0b312e1054055b62c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Ivo, Invoking IETF traditions here: send text. That is, give us a specific proposed edit to the existing text. Allison On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 1:36 AM, Ivo Sedlacek wrote: > Randall, > > None of those statements quoted by you state "attach X to SIP message > means ...." > > The statements nearest to stating "attach X to SIP message means ...." are > --------- > An In-Vehicle System (IVS) transmits an MSD (see Section 5) by > encoding it per Annex A of EN 15722 [msd] and attaching it to a SIP > message as a MIME body part per [RFC7852]. > --------- > and > --------- > A PSAP or IVS transmits a metadata/control object (see Section 9) by > encoding it per the description in this document and attaching it to > a SIP message as a MIME body part per [RFC7852]. > --------- > but RFC7852 does not say "attach X to SIP message means ...." either. > > What statements of RFC7852 did you intend to refer to in the statements > above? > > PS: I have been following this discussion for quite some time. If I do NOT > understand what "attach X to SIP message" means, how can a reader who has > NOT followed this discussion understand it? > > Kind regards > > Ivo > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall Gellens [mailto:rg+ietf@randy.pensive.org] > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 4:50 PM > To: Ivo Sedlacek ; Paul Kyzivat < > pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu>; ecrit@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Ivo's review of draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-15 - ISSUE 7 > > Hi Ivo, > > It is explained in the same section. A few paragraphs up it says: > > An In-Vehicle System (IVS) transmits an MSD (see Section 5) by > encoding it per Annex A of EN 15722 [msd] and attaching it to a SIP > message as a MIME body part per [RFC7852]. > > [....] > > A PSAP or IVS transmits a metadata/control object (see Section 9) by > encoding it per the description in this document and attaching it to > a SIP message as a MIME body part per [RFC7852]. > > It also makes clear that the body part is in a multipart and which > Content-Disposition is used: > > An MSD or a metadata/control block is always enclosed in a multipart > (normally multipart/mixed) body part (even if it would otherwise be > the only body part in the SIP message), since as of the date of this > document, the use of Content-ID as a SIP header field is not defined > (while it is defined for use as a MIME header field). > > A body part containing an MSD or metadata/control object has a > Content-Disposition header field value containing "By-Reference". > > It later uses "attach" as short-hand for the process described above: > > An In-Vehicle System (IVS) initiating an NG-eCall attaches an MSD to > the initial INVITE and optionally attaches a metadata/control object > informing the PSAP of its capabilities. > > --Randy > > At 2:01 PM +0000 11/1/16, Ivo Sedlacek wrote: > > > Hello Paul, > > > > Your interpretation of "attach X to SIP message" makes sense to me. > > > > However, I do not see a statement "attach X to SIP message means > > ...." in the draft. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Ivo > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Paul Kyzivat > > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 1:49 PM > > To: ecrit@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Ivo's review of draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-15 - > > ISSUE 7 > > > > On 11/1/16 3:05 AM, Ivo Sedlacek wrote: > >> Randall, > >> > >> so, what does "attach" mean if it does not meant > >> Content-Disposition: attachment? > > > > > > IMO "attach X (to a sip message) means to package X as a mime body > > part and include it in the body of the message. That in turn means > > either: > > - make it the complete body of the message if there are no other > > parts, and if it can validly be done that way; > > > > - include it as a subordinate body part within a multipart/mixed that > > it the outer part of the body of the message. > > > > In any case, it may then be necessary to do something more to ensure > > that the recipient will know what is the intent of the body part. In > > some cases this may be simply tagging it with appropriate content-type > > and content-disposition. In other cases it may also require including > > some sort of reference to it via a header field in the message or > > somewhere in one of the other body parts. > > > > That is a "general" answer. It needs to be defined in detail for each > case. > > > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > >> Kind regards > >> > >> Ivo > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Randall Gellens [mailto:rg+ietf@randy.pensive.org] > >> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 4:52 PM > >> To: Ivo Sedlacek > >> Subject: RE: [Ecrit] Ivo's review of draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-15 - > >> ISSUE > >> 7 > >> > >> At 7:04 AM +0000 10/31/16, Ivo Sedlacek wrote: > >> > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> > >>>> > > >> > ISSUE 7 > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > section 6 - "The IVS then attaches an updated MSD to a > SIP > >>>> > > >> > INFO request and sends it within the dialog." - > >>>> what is meant by > >>>> > > >> > "attaching MSD to SIP INFO request"? > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> I think that's made abundantly clear in the multiple > earlier > >>>> > > >> instances in the same section that say "as a MIME body > part". > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > I do not really know what "attach body to SIP request" > means. > >>>> > > > Likely, other readers will not know it either. > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > A reference to a section defining how to "attach body to > > >>> SIP request" > >>>> > > > would help. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > It's the same section, just a little bit before. > >>>> > > >>>> > I assume you refer -19 text stating: "[RFC7852] establishes a > >>>> general > mechanism for attaching blocks of > >>>> > data to a SIP emergency call." > >>>> > >>>> If you look seven paragraphs above the paragraph in question > >>>> (same section), you'll see: > >>>> > >>>> A PSAP or IVS transmits a metadata/control object (see Section > 9) by > >>>> encoding it per the description in this document and attaching > it to > >>>> a SIP message as a MIME body part per [RFC7852]. > >>>> > >>>> Then, three paragraphs later (four paragraphs above the paragraph > >>>> in > >>>> question) it uses "attach" again: > >>>> > >>>> An In-Vehicle System (IVS) initiating an NG-eCall attaches an > MSD to > >>>> the initial INVITE and optionally attaches a metadata/control > object > >>>> informing the PSAP of its capabilities. > >>>> > >>>> The surrounding text makes it clear that these are "attached" as > >>>> body parts in the SIP message. > >>> > >>> The above still talks about "attaching"/"attaches" without > >>> explaining what it means. > >>> > >>> It can be easily misunderstood to refer to inclusion of a body > >>> part with Content-Disposition "attachment" in a SIP message. > >> > >> Not so easily misunderstood, since the text repeatedly makes it very > >> clear which Content-Disposition value to use. > >> > >> -- > >> Randall Gellens > >> Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only > >> -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- Perhaps the > >> real reason why we have always been able to champion free speech in > >> this country is that we know perfectly well that hardly anybody has > >> got anything to say, and that no one will listen to anyone > >> that has. -- Editorial, Daily Mail [British Paper, date unknown] > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ecrit mailing list > >> Ecrit@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ecrit mailing list > > Ecrit@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ecrit mailing list > > Ecrit@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > > > -- > Randall Gellens > Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only > -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- If the facts don't > fit the theory, change the facts. > --Albert Einstein > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > --001a113ba4c0b312e1054055b62c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=C2=A0Ivo,

Invoking IETF traditions= here:=C2=A0 send text.=C2=A0 That is, give us a specific proposed edit to = the existing text.

Allison

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 1:36 AM, = Ivo Sedlacek <ivo.sedlacek@ericsson.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Randall,

None of those statements quoted by you state "attach X to SIP message = means=C2=A0 ...."

The statements nearest to stating "attach X to SIP message means=C2=A0= ...." are
---------
=C2=A0 =C2=A0An In-Vehicle System (IVS) transmits an MSD (= see Section 5) by
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 encoding it per Annex A of EN 15722 [msd] and attaching it to= a SIP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 message as a MIME body part per [RFC7852].
---------
and
---------
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 A PSAP or IVS transmits a metadata/control o= bject (see Section 9) by
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 encoding it per the description in this document and attachin= g it to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 a SIP message as a MIME body part per [RFC7852].
---------
but RFC7852 does not say "attach X to SIP message means=C2=A0 ....&quo= t; either.

What statements of RFC7852 did you intend to refer to in the statements abo= ve?

PS: I have been following this discussion for quite some time. If I do NOT = understand what "attach X to SIP message" means, how can a reader= who has NOT followed this discussion understand it?

Kind regards

Ivo

-----Original Message-----
From: Randall Gellens [mailto:rg+ietf@randy.pensive.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, = 2016 4:50 PM
To: Ivo Sedlacek <ivo.sedla= cek@ericsson.com>; Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu>; e= crit@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Ivo's review of draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-15 - ISSUE = 7

Hi Ivo,

It is explained in the same section.=C2=A0 A few paragraphs up it says:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 An In-Vehicle System (IVS) transmits an MSD (see Section 5) b= y
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 encoding it per Annex A of EN 15722 [msd] and attaching it to= a SIP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 message as a MIME body part per [RFC7852].

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 [....]

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 A PSAP or IVS transmits a metadata/control object (see Sectio= n 9) by
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 encoding it per the description in this document and attachin= g it to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 a SIP message as a MIME body part per [RFC7852].

It also makes clear that the body part is in a multipart and which Content-= Disposition is used:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 An MSD or a metadata/control block is always enclosed in a mu= ltipart
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (normally multipart/mixed) body part (even if it would otherw= ise be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the only body part in the SIP message), since as of the date = of this
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 document, the use of Content-ID as a SIP header field is not = defined
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (while it is defined for use as a MIME header field).

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 A body part containing an MSD or metadata/control object has = a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Content-Disposition header field value containing "By-Re= ference".

It later uses "attach" as short-hand for the process described ab= ove:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 An In-Vehicle System (IVS) initiating an NG-eCall attaches an= MSD to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the initial INVITE and optionally attaches a metadata/control= object
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 informing the PSAP of its capabilities.

--Randy

At 2:01 PM +0000 11/1/16, Ivo Sedlacek wrote:

>=C2=A0 Hello Paul,
>
>=C2=A0 Your interpretation of "attach X to SIP message" makes= sense to me.
>
>=C2=A0 However, I do not see a statement "attach X to SIP message = means
> ...." in the draft.
>
>=C2=A0 Kind regards
>
>=C2=A0 Ivo
>
>=C2=A0 -----Original Message-----
>=C2=A0 From: Ecrit [mailto:ec= rit-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Paul Kyzivat
>=C2=A0 Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 1:49 PM
>=C2=A0 To: ecrit@ietf.org
>=C2=A0 Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Ivo's review of draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-= 15 -
> ISSUE 7
>
>=C2=A0 On 11/1/16 3:05 AM, Ivo Sedlacek wrote:
>>=C2=A0 Randall,
>>
>>=C2=A0 so, what does "attach" mean if it does not meant >> Content-Disposition: attachment?
>
>
>=C2=A0 IMO "attach X (to a sip message) means to package X as a mi= me body
> part and include it in the body of the message. That in turn means
> either:
>=C2=A0 - make it the complete body of the message if there are no other=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0parts, and if it can validly be done that way;
>
>=C2=A0 - include it as a subordinate body part within a multipart/mixed= that
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0it the outer part of the body of the message.
>
>=C2=A0 In any case, it may then be necessary to do something more to en= sure
> that the recipient will know what is the intent of the body part. In > some cases this may be simply tagging it with appropriate content-type=
> and content-disposition. In other cases it may also require including<= br> > some sort of reference to it via a header field in the message or
> somewhere in one of the other body parts.
>
>=C2=A0 That is a "general" answer. It needs to be defined in = detail for each case.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Paul
>
>>=C2=A0 Kind regards
>>
>>=C2=A0 Ivo
>>
>>=C2=A0 -----Original Message-----
>>=C2=A0 From: Randall Gellens [mailto:rg+ietf@randy.pensive.org]
>>=C2=A0 Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 4:52 PM
>>=C2=A0 To: Ivo Sedlacek <ivo.sedlacek@ericsson.com>
>>=C2=A0 Subject: RE: [Ecrit] Ivo's review of draft-ietf-ecrit-ec= all-15 -
>> ISSUE
>>=C2=A0 7
>>
>>=C2=A0 At 7:04 AM +0000 10/31/16, Ivo Sedlacek wrote:
>>
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>=C2=A0 >=C2= =A0 ISSUE 7
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>=C2=A0 >
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>=C2=A0 >=C2= =A0 section 6 - "The IVS then attaches an updated MSD to a SIP
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>=C2=A0 >=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0INFO request and sends it within the dialog." -
>>>>=C2=A0 what is meant by
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>=C2=A0 > &quo= t;attaching MSD to SIP INFO request"?
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>=C2=A0 I think t= hat's made abundantly clear in the multiple earlier
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> instances in th= e=C2=A0 same section that say "as a MIME body part".
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 I do not real= ly know what "attach body to SIP request"=C2=A0 means.
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0> > Likely, other reade= rs will not know it either.
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0> >=C2=A0 A reference t= o a section defining how to "attach body to
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0>>> SIP request"
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0> > would help.
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0> It's the same sectio= n, just a little bit before.
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 I assume you refer -19 text stating= : "[RFC7852] establishes a
>>>> general=C2=A0 > mechanism for attaching blocks of
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0data to a SIP emergenc= y call."
>>>>
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0If you look seven paragraphs above the paragra= ph in question
>>>> (same=C2=A0 section),=C2=A0 you'll see:
>>>>
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0A PSAP or IVS transmits a metada= ta/control object (see Section 9) by
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0encoding it per the description = in this document and attaching it to
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0a SIP message as a MIME body par= t per [RFC7852].
>>>>
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Then, three paragraphs later (four paragraphs = above the paragraph
>>>> in
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0question) it uses "attach" again: >>>>
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0An In-Vehicle System (IVS) initi= ating an NG-eCall attaches an MSD to
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the initial INVITE and optionall= y attaches a metadata/control object
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0informing the PSAP of its capabi= lities.
>>>>
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0The surrounding text makes it clear that these= are "attached" as
>>>> body parts=C2=A0 in the SIP message.
>>>
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0The above still talks about "attaching"/= "attaches" without
>>> explaining what it means.
>>>
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0It can be easily misunderstood to refer to inclusi= on of a body
>>> part=C2=A0 with Content-Disposition "attachment" in = a SIP message.
>>
>>=C2=A0 Not so easily misunderstood, since the text repeatedly makes= it very
>> clear which Content-Disposition value to use.
>>
>>=C2=A0 --
>>=C2=A0 Randall Gellens
>>=C2=A0 Opinions are personal;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 facts are suspect;=C2=A0= =C2=A0 I speak for myself only
>>=C2=A0 -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- Perhap= s the
>> real reason why we have always been able to champion free speech i= n
>> this country is that we know perfectly well that hardly anybody ha= s
>> got anything to say, and that no one will listen to anyone
>>=C2=A0 that has.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-- Editorial, Daily Mail= [British Paper, date unknown]
>>
>>=C2=A0 _______________________________________________
>>=C2=A0 Ecrit mailing list
>>=C2=A0 Ecrit@ietf.org
>>=C2=A0 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinf= o/ecrit
>>
>
>=C2=A0 _______________________________________________
>=C2=A0 Ecrit mailing list
>=C2=A0 Ecrit@ietf.org
>=C2=A0 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecr= it
>
>=C2=A0 _______________________________________________
>=C2=A0 Ecrit mailing list
>=C2=A0 Ecrit@ietf.org
>=C2=A0 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecr= it


--
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Opinions are personal;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 facts are suspect;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I speak= for myself only
-------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- If the facts don'= t fit the theory, change the facts.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --Albert Einstein

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amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER SECTION, Duplicate header field: "MIME-Version" X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.397 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.397 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x_w8YGU7zvsS for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 09:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turing.pensive.org (turing.pensive.org [99.111.97.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98211296C3 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 09:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [99.111.97.136] (99.111.97.161) by turing.pensive.org with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9); Thu, 3 Nov 2016 09:07:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <181874aa-8dc1-8cd5-3ced-9965ba071b82@alum.mit.edu> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 09:07:23 -0700 To: Ivo Sedlacek , Az Mankin From: Randall Gellens Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 Archived-At: Cc: "ecrit@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Ivo's review of draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-15 - ISSUE 7 X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2016 16:07:58 -0000 Hi Ivo, At 8:43 AM +0000 11/3/16, Ivo Sedlacek wrote: > Hello Allison, > > > Invoking IETF traditions here: send text. That is, give us a > specific proposed edit to the existing text. > > OK, let my try. > > First of all, let me explain what I have done: > > 1) rfc7852 defines "conveying" of data (not "attaching" data): > ------------------- > When an emergency call is sent to a Public Safety Answering Point > (PSAP), the originating device, the access network provider to which > the device is connected, and all service providers in the path of the > call have information about the call, the caller, or the location, > which is helpful for the PSAP to have in handling the emergency. > This document describes data structures and mechanisms to **convey such > data** to the PSAP. The intent is that every emergency call carry as > much of the information described here as possible using the > mechanisms described here. > > The mechanisms permit the data to be **conveyed** by reference (as an > external resource) or by value (within the body of a SIP message or a > location object). This follows the tradition of prior emergency > services standardization work where data can be conveyed by value > within the call signaling (i.e., in the body of the SIP message) or > by reference. > ------------------- > so I use "convey" when introducing rfc7852 in eCall draft. RFC 7852 discusses equally sending data with the call and sending a reference to data that is available externally, hence the use of the neutral term "conveyance." I think using "conveyance" in the eCall draft would be less well understood by the average reader than using "attach." The term "attach" seems pretty generally well understood, and the current language in the draft makes it very clear exactly what steps are performed. > > Moreover, given that rfc7852 does not use "attach" data, eCall > draft should be able to live without "attach" data too. > > 2) I *think* the intention of "attach" in the draft is to refer to > "block transmitted by value" as described in rfc7852 section 6.1 > the last paragraph 1st sentence: > ------------------- > When blocks are transmitted by value, the 'purpose' parameter in a > Call-Info header field identifies the data, and the CID URL points to > the data block in the body (which has a matching Content-ID body part > header field). > ------------------- > So I use "block transmitted by value" everywhere in eCall draft > with exception identified in 3) below. That seems more confusing to use in the eCall draft, since eCall data is not transmitted by reference. > > 3) There has been discussion in past on whether rfc7852 is needed > in SIP INFO request or not as sematic of the bodies associated with > info package is defined in the info package itself. IIRC, the > conclusion was that rfc7852 is not needed, and eCall draft includes > an explicit statement on Call-Info header field inclusion in SIP > INFO request: > ------------------- > In addition, to align with how an > MSD or metadata/control block is transmitted in a SIP message other > than an INFO request, a Call-Info header field is included in the SIP > INFO request to reference the MSD or metadata/control block. > ------------------- > > Thus: > - when referring to INVITE request / INVITE response, I use > "include X to SIP message as a block transmitted by value per > RFC7852" instead of "attach X to SIP message" > - when referring to INFO request, I use "include X to SIP message > as per RFC6086" instead of "attach X to SIP message". > NOTE: The Call-Info header field inclusion is > already described by the explicit statements above. > > Please see attached version of -19, updated as above. > > A few more errors is fixed there too: > - "INVITE" is used in some places where "INVITE request" should be. > - "method" is missing is some places. > - "This mechanism permits certain emergency call MIME types to be > attached to SIP messages" - I took this out since: > (a) the preceding sentence "[RFC7852] establishes a > general mechanism for conveying blocks of data in a SIP emergency > call." says the same thing > (b) we never include a MIME type in a message (only > a message-body of a given MIME type or a MIME body part of a given > MIME type) > (c) this sentence attempts to formulate what > [RFC7852] contains and that's not needed - the reader should read > [RFC7852] instead. > > Kind regards > > Ivo > > Content-Type: text/plain; name="draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-19-ISED.txt" > Content-Description: draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-19-ISED.txt > Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-19-ISED.txt"; size=100680; > creation-date="Thu, 03 Nov 2016 07:52:03 GMT"; > modification-date="Thu, 03 Nov 2016 08:26:07 GMT" > > Attachment converted: TiLand:draft-ietf-ecrit-ec#3AC1B64.txt > (TEXT/R*ch) (03AC1B64) -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- In the United States the majority undertakes to supply a multitude of ready-made opinions for the use of individuals, who are thus relieved from the necessity of forming opinions of their own --Alexis de Tocqueville From nobody Thu Nov 3 12:59:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2124A129427; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 12:59:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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charset=UTF-8 ECRIT Working Group, We need a volunteer for the following IANA Expert Review request that Amanda Baber of IANA just sent to Roger and me. It needs to be written and sent to the mailing list, per the IESG's appointment of the WG as the Expert Reviewer ( http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid-labels/urn-serviceid-labels.xhtml). Amanda's message is under the line. Who'd like to step up for this? Thanks! from your Chairs ---------------- The IANA Services Operator has received a request for registration in the 'sos' Sub-Services registry in the Service URN Labels group. This request comes from Frederic Firmin of ETSI. According to RFC 7163, registration in 'sos' Sub-Services requires expert review as designated by the ECRIT working group or its successor (or, in their absence, the IESG). Can you send this request for review? The IESG has asked that expert reviews be completed within two weeks, if possible. See below. thanks, Amanda Baber Lead IANA Services Specialist PTI === Contact Name: Frederic Firmin Contact Email: frederic.firmin@etsi.org Type of Assignment: sub-service URN Registry: Service URN Labels registry with the "sos" URN Service Labels subregistry. Description: This sub-service type is used before an appropriate sub-service type is registered with IANA for a specific emergency service. This sub-service type is not used where an appropriate sub-service type has been registered with IANA for the specific emergency service. The next level of sub-services indicates the country where the specific emergency service is used. Subtypes below this are defined by national regulation of that country and are not registered with IANA. Additional Info: The following service URN is proposed to be registered: urn:service:sos.country-specific reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available at http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/ archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zip (cf subclause 7.11.1) --001a1141b9a22eb1e505406b00c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ECRIT Working Group,

We need a= volunteer for the following IANA Expert Review request that Amanda Baber o= f IANA just sent to Roger and me.=C2=A0 It needs to be written and sent to = the mailing list, per the IESG's appointment of the WG as the Expert Re= viewer (http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid-labe= ls/urn-serviceid-labels.xhtml).=C2=A0 Amanda's message is under the= line. Who'd like to step up for this?

Thanks!=C2=A0 from = your Chairs
----------------


<= div>
The IANA Services Operator has received a request for registration= in=20 the 'sos' Sub-Services registry in the Service URN Labels group. Th= is=20 request comes from Frederic Firmin of ETSI.

According to RFC 7163, registration in 'sos' Sub-Services requires= =20 expert review as designated by the ECRIT working group or its successor=20 (or, in their absence, the IESG). Can you send this request for review?

The IESG has asked that expert reviews be completed within two weeks, if po= ssible.

See below.

thanks,

Amanda Baber
Lead IANA Services Specialist
PTI

=3D=3D=3D

Contact Name:
Frederic Firmin

Contact Email:
frederic.firmin@etsi.org
Type of Assignment:
sub-service URN

Registry:
Service URN Labels registry with the "sos" URN Service Labels sub= registry.

Description:
This sub-service type is used before an appropriate sub-service type is=20 registered with IANA for a specific emergency service. This sub-service=20 type is not used where an appropriate sub-service type has been=20 registered with IANA for the specific emergency service.
The next level of sub-services indicates the country where the specific=20 emergency service is used. Subtypes below this are defined by national=20 regulation of that country and are not registered with IANA.


Additional Info:
The following service URN is proposed to be registered:
urn:service:sos.country-specific

reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available at http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/242= 29-ce0.zip (cf subclause 7.11.1)


--001a1141b9a22eb1e505406b00c3-- From nobody Thu Nov 3 13:56:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 841121298A8; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 13:56:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OYm0GrzIC5WW; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 13:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from email.salsgiver.com (email.salsgiver.com [206.67.234.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DF6212989C; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 13:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.33.193.32] ([156.154.81.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by email.salsgiver.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPA id uA3Kub9Q093537; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 16:56:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from br@salsgiver.com) X-Authentication-Warning: email.salsgiver.com: Host [156.154.81.54] claimed to be [10.33.193.32] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_77CC19CA-2FF0-420F-86E6-6FD9940E441F" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Brian Rosen In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 16:56:37 -0400 Message-Id: <21D6E6E8-A4CC-49D5-9DC1-28A0D0610BC8@salsgiver.com> References: To: Az Mankin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: ecrit@ietf.org, ecrit-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos' Sub-Services registry X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2016 20:56:44 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_77CC19CA-2FF0-420F-86E6-6FD9940E441F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99ll do it Brian > On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Az Mankin wrote: >=20 > ECRIT Working Group, >=20 > We need a volunteer for the following IANA Expert Review request that = Amanda Baber of IANA just sent to Roger and me. It needs to be written = and sent to the mailing list, per the IESG's appointment of the WG as = the Expert Reviewer = (http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid-labels/urn-serviceid-labels= .xhtml = ). Amanda's message is under the line. Who'd like to step up for = this? >=20 > Thanks! from your Chairs > ---------------- >=20 >=20 > The IANA Services Operator has received a request for registration in = the 'sos' Sub-Services registry in the Service URN Labels group. This = request comes from Frederic Firmin of ETSI. >=20 > According to RFC 7163, registration in 'sos' Sub-Services requires = expert review as designated by the ECRIT working group or its successor = (or, in their absence, the IESG). Can you send this request for review? >=20 > The IESG has asked that expert reviews be completed within two weeks, = if possible. >=20 > See below. >=20 > thanks, >=20 > Amanda Baber > Lead IANA Services Specialist > PTI >=20 > =3D=3D=3D >=20 > Contact Name: > Frederic Firmin >=20 > Contact Email: > frederic.firmin@etsi.org >=20 > Type of Assignment: > sub-service URN >=20 > Registry: > Service URN Labels registry with the "sos" URN Service Labels = subregistry. >=20 > Description: > This sub-service type is used before an appropriate sub-service type = is registered with IANA for a specific emergency service. This = sub-service type is not used where an appropriate sub-service type has = been registered with IANA for the specific emergency service. > The next level of sub-services indicates the country where the = specific emergency service is used. Subtypes below this are defined by = national regulation of that country and are not registered with IANA. >=20 >=20 > Additional Info: > The following service URN is proposed to be registered: > urn:service:sos.country-specific >=20 > reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available at = http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zip = = (cf subclause 7.11.1) >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit --Apple-Mail=_77CC19CA-2FF0-420F-86E6-6FD9940E441F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99ll do it

Brian

On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Az Mankin <azmankin@gmail.com> = wrote:

ECRIT Working Group,

We = need a volunteer for the following IANA Expert Review request that = Amanda Baber of IANA just sent to Roger and me.  It needs to be = written and sent to the mailing list, per the IESG's appointment of the = WG as the Expert Reviewer (http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid-labels/urn-servic= eid-labels.xhtml).  Amanda's message is under the line. Who'd = like to step up for this?

Thanks! = from your Chairs
----------------


The IANA Services Operator has received a request for = registration in=20 the 'sos' Sub-Services registry in the Service URN Labels group. This=20 request comes from Frederic Firmin of ETSI.

According to RFC 7163, registration in 'sos' Sub-Services requires=20 expert review as designated by the ECRIT working group or its successor=20= (or, in their absence, the IESG). Can you send this request for = review?

The IESG has asked that expert reviews be completed within two weeks, if = possible.

See below.

thanks,

Amanda Baber
Lead IANA Services Specialist
PTI

=3D=3D=3D

Contact Name:
Frederic Firmin

Contact Email:
frederic.firmin@etsi.org

Type of Assignment:
sub-service URN

Registry:
Service URN Labels registry with the "sos" URN Service Labels = subregistry.

Description:
This sub-service type is used before an appropriate sub-service type is=20= registered with IANA for a specific emergency service. This sub-service=20= type is not used where an appropriate sub-service type has been=20 registered with IANA for the specific emergency service.
The next level of sub-services indicates the country where the specific=20= emergency service is used. Subtypes below this are defined by national=20= regulation of that country and are not registered with IANA.


Additional Info:
The following service URN is proposed to be registered:
urn:service:sos.country-specific

reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available at http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zip = (cf subclause 7.11.1)


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= --Apple-Mail=_77CC19CA-2FF0-420F-86E6-6FD9940E441F-- From nobody Thu Nov 3 14:03:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0B1129875; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 14:03:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h4Tw77w4SjMv; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 14:02:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-x233.google.com (mail-vk0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2A92129A68; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 14:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk0-x233.google.com with SMTP id 137so3348058vkl.0; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 14:02:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=qDtwhICeGsQZenMtt2GOUDnA2djFkTX4yu/RVlUeAo4=; b=QuHZJKgRRfgyf54FVtZ5VXJ4kaDTODr9h317g3tM6/Kvlz01UQySgUAl566ii+7PYH kPTBp0DUnYijCy249GwqgVxAaw1NhfRWiz+s/BPi8Cs7l6nEwPlHO9tgpd5npGhLkBon e9SH1kmCJ0gFxvpBreMbwWjGYcMPpmwLp85pGb11un7QwslBCLQRnUv+1R6QmhJImoRn WtoWMDAxSKYGqzqSvqzXl/XsthCSnca4u0UsC/f8yd7mL/Of28ZAlFxMRa7mt17tdRfK KujXhgoguQcamIBNsudIpy8PNKSUVjBRjTNBZ1qB/icsiOWRS8ILF6HpKkMI1MIfislI un7A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=qDtwhICeGsQZenMtt2GOUDnA2djFkTX4yu/RVlUeAo4=; b=Ug++obQepRJdfieR7k8gTSmDT63/xDa+ahFEdH6ymkgv53EuqcV3Bfc54YaelcpzOu GZ0F7ZFwWFo9TMj1bboQlAxLjGYbxN7YfNzEPWAq0pZVFN/8Z+VcpBooWwVKJni9Jgrk jOCAXGeOh84QMd35h5cxP/iPgVhUP1LnSWV0qXCEHGXCjx/4BbuA3j0IkBFneyVtYSYT rSJUTlSy3pzpLHp7hpPT42mxDBg8KXDOw8e8QTuBvm4Gg4cZgVwrwno0AqmL2jRcGVsn KxC9P3K60i0ScGRCKslDnL1wODGM1b561862eOPw0dpzwnf8DqqY4x+g19vCMlQtdSIU bR1Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvfvesimAgJzs5tHDlAJSQigkAUNJ+ljo4gj9E3r2ebkExjYytvRGbtmV7JCP7Hw6OuXVAe0sQpwKMluPQ== X-Received: by 10.31.139.70 with SMTP id n67mr8116112vkd.100.1478206973638; Thu, 03 Nov 2016 14:02:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.81.106 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 14:02:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <21D6E6E8-A4CC-49D5-9DC1-28A0D0610BC8@salsgiver.com> References: <21D6E6E8-A4CC-49D5-9DC1-28A0D0610BC8@salsgiver.com> From: Allison Mankin Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 14:02:53 -0700 Message-ID: To: Brian Rosen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11457c52918bf505406be1f2 Archived-At: Cc: ecrit@ietf.org, ecrit-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos' Sub-Services registry X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2016 21:03:03 -0000 --001a11457c52918bf505406be1f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brian, Thank you! On 3 November 2016 at 13:56, Brian Rosen wrote: > I=E2=80=99ll do it > > Brian > > On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Az Mankin wrote: > > ECRIT Working Group, > > We need a volunteer for the following IANA Expert Review request that > Amanda Baber of IANA just sent to Roger and me. It needs to be written a= nd > sent to the mailing list, per the IESG's appointment of the WG as the > Expert Reviewer (http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid- > labels/urn-serviceid-labels.xhtml). Amanda's message is under the line. > Who'd like to step up for this? > > Thanks! from your Chairs > ---------------- > > > The IANA Services Operator has received a request for registration in the > 'sos' Sub-Services registry in the Service URN Labels group. This request > comes from Frederic Firmin of ETSI. > > According to RFC 7163, registration in 'sos' Sub-Services requires expert > review as designated by the ECRIT working group or its successor (or, in > their absence, the IESG). Can you send this request for review? > > The IESG has asked that expert reviews be completed within two weeks, if > possible. > > See below. > > thanks, > > Amanda Baber > Lead IANA Services Specialist > PTI > > =3D=3D=3D > > Contact Name: > Frederic Firmin > > Contact Email: > frederic.firmin@etsi.org > > Type of Assignment: > sub-service URN > > Registry: > Service URN Labels registry with the "sos" URN Service Labels subregistry= . > > Description: > This sub-service type is used before an appropriate sub-service type is > registered with IANA for a specific emergency service. This sub-service > type is not used where an appropriate sub-service type has been registere= d > with IANA for the specific emergency service. > The next level of sub-services indicates the country where the specific > emergency service is used. Subtypes below this are defined by national > regulation of that country and are not registered with IANA. > > > Additional Info: > The following service URN is proposed to be registered: > urn:service:sos.country-specific > > reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available at http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/ > archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zip (cf subclause 7.11.1) > > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > > > --001a11457c52918bf505406be1f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Brian,

Thank you!


=

On 3 = November 2016 at 13:56, Brian Rosen <br@salsgiver.com> wrote:=
I=E2= =80=99ll do it

Brian

=
On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:= 59 PM, Az Mankin <azmankin@gmail.com> wrote:

ECRIT Working Group,

We need a volunt= eer for the following IANA Expert Review request that Amanda Baber of IANA = just sent to Roger and me.=C2=A0 It needs to be written and sent to the mai= ling list, per the IESG's appointment of the WG as the Expert Reviewer = (http://www.iana.org/assignments/ur= n-serviceid-labels/urn-serviceid-labels.xhtml).=C2=A0 Amanda&= #39;s message is under the line. Who'd like to step up for this?
Thanks!=C2=A0 from your Chairs
----------------


The IANA Services Operator has received = a request for registration in=20 the 'sos' Sub-Services registry in the Service URN Labels group. Th= is=20 request comes from Frederic Firmin of ETSI.

According to RFC 7163, registration in 'sos' Sub-Services requires= =20 expert review as designated by the ECRIT working group or its successor=20 (or, in their absence, the IESG). Can you send this request for review?

The IESG has asked that expert reviews be completed within two weeks, if po= ssible.

See below.

thanks,

Amanda Baber
Lead IANA Services Specialist
PTI

=3D=3D=3D

Contact Name:
Frederic Firmin

Contact Email:
frederic.firm= in@etsi.org

Type of Assignment:
sub-service URN

Registry:
Service URN Labels registry with the "sos" URN Service Labels sub= registry.

Description:
This sub-service type is used before an appropriate sub-service type is=20 registered with IANA for a specific emergency service. This sub-service=20 type is not used where an appropriate sub-service type has been=20 registered with IANA for the specific emergency service.
The next level of sub-services indicates the country where the specific=20 emergency service is used. Subtypes below this are defined by national=20 regulation of that country and are not registered with IANA.


Additional Info:
The following service URN is proposed to be registered:
urn:service:sos.country-specific

reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available at http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zip (cf subclause 7.11.1)


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Ecrit mailing list<= br>Ecrit@ietf.orghttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit


--001a11457c52918bf505406be1f2-- From nobody Thu Nov 3 14:09:48 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A07129AA2 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 14:09:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lIpwjzO1l9Dc for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 14:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alum-mailsec-scanner-7.mit.edu (alum-mailsec-scanner-7.mit.edu [18.7.68.19]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F6B129AAD for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 14:09:44 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 12074413-9a9ff70000000a14-ee-581ba797f86d Received: from outgoing-alum.mit.edu (OUTGOING-ALUM.MIT.EDU [18.7.68.33]) by alum-mailsec-scanner-7.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id C6.7F.02580.797AB185; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 17:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.110] (c-73-186-127-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.186.127.100]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as pkyzivat@ALUM.MIT.EDU) by outgoing-alum.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id uA3L9gnE016249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 17:09:43 -0400 To: ecrit@ietf.org References: <21D6E6E8-A4CC-49D5-9DC1-28A0D0610BC8@salsgiver.com> From: Paul Kyzivat Message-ID: <8db0d0c8-9621-6f0c-c12f-d3fb7c5dd1f1@alum.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 17:09:42 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <21D6E6E8-A4CC-49D5-9DC1-28A0D0610BC8@salsgiver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrBIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixO6iqDtjuXSEwcMmbovGRU9ZHRg9liz5 yRTAGMVlk5Kak1mWWqRvl8CVcf3dZ7aCm2IV65dfYm5gvCTUxcjJISFgIvHu2irWLkYuDiGB y4wSR75tYIdwXjNJzPpwlAmkSlggQaJh6mN2EFtEQEji3a2/LBBF7YwSt87fYQRJsAloScw5 9J8FxOYVsJf4eWYnK4jNIqAisXDDD7BmUYE0ie3rdjND1AhKnJz5BKyeU8BRYlX7FbA4s4Ct xJ25u6FseYnmrbOZJzDyzULSMgtJ2SwkZQsYmVcxyiXmlObq5iZm5hSnJusWJyfm5aUW6Zrr 5WaW6KWmlG5ihASa8A7GXSflDjEKcDAq8fDO8JOOEGJNLCuuzD3EKMnBpCTKazsXKMSXlJ9S mZFYnBFfVJqTWnyIUYKDWUmEt2IZUI43JbGyKrUoHyYlzcGiJM6rtkTdT0ggPbEkNTs1tSC1 CCYrw8GhJME7CaRRsCg1PbUiLTOnBCHNxMEJMpwHaPh0sOHFBYm5xZnpEPlTjLocb3a9fMAk xJKXn5cqJc4rC1IkAFKUUZoHNweWIF4xigO9Jcz7CKSKB5hc4Ca9AlrCBLTEPEkCZElJIkJK qoExY1rUhauuC3oz+xgTDd/dvdrO0NycJSzxovHhlfKfu/yXBUwIYXt48+P0k7KzuOJbPn3s u/9aSuvpdOYkVlvlvG2zC2U2NQoeUUtJOne3xZPzSMXfG309VqyxbOuM1yx59zZgbmv6n2jW pPmOpm2HxLxTbD543Fui1Od0Zb/IpZJrJ/5sW/hLiaU4I9FQi7moOBEA+dYgY+sCAAA= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos' Sub-Services registry X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2016 21:09:47 -0000 On 11/3/16 4:56 PM, Brian Rosen wrote: > I’ll do it I think it would be good to have this discussed on the list. (Wasn't there already some discussion, somewhere?) Thanks, Paul > Brian > >> On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Az Mankin > > wrote: >> >> ECRIT Working Group, >> >> We need a volunteer for the following IANA Expert Review request that >> Amanda Baber of IANA just sent to Roger and me. It needs to be >> written and sent to the mailing list, per the IESG's appointment of >> the WG as the Expert Reviewer >> (http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid-labels/urn-serviceid-labels.xhtml). >> Amanda's message is under the line. Who'd like to step up for this? >> >> Thanks! from your Chairs >> ---------------- >> >> >> The IANA Services Operator has received a request for registration in >> the 'sos' Sub-Services registry in the Service URN Labels group. This >> request comes from Frederic Firmin of ETSI. >> >> According to RFC 7163, registration in 'sos' Sub-Services requires >> expert review as designated by the ECRIT working group or its >> successor (or, in their absence, the IESG). Can you send this request >> for review? >> >> The IESG has asked that expert reviews be completed within two weeks, >> if possible. >> >> See below. >> >> thanks, >> >> Amanda Baber >> Lead IANA Services Specialist >> PTI >> >> === >> >> Contact Name: >> Frederic Firmin >> >> Contact Email: >> frederic.firmin@etsi.org >> >> Type of Assignment: >> sub-service URN >> >> Registry: >> Service URN Labels registry with the "sos" URN Service Labels subregistry. >> >> Description: >> This sub-service type is used before an appropriate sub-service type >> is registered with IANA for a specific emergency service. This >> sub-service type is not used where an appropriate sub-service type has >> been registered with IANA for the specific emergency service. >> The next level of sub-services indicates the country where the >> specific emergency service is used. Subtypes below this are defined by >> national regulation of that country and are not registered with IANA. >> >> >> Additional Info: >> The following service URN is proposed to be registered: >> urn:service:sos.country-specific >> >> reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available at >> http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zip >> >> (cf subclause 7.11.1) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ecrit mailing list >> Ecrit@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > From nobody Thu Nov 3 14:15:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B789129955 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 14:15:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4EpoRanh-XB8 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 14:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from email.salsgiver.com (email.salsgiver.com [206.67.234.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 639CE12995D for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 14:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.33.193.32] ([156.154.81.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by email.salsgiver.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPA id uA3LEv4V011251; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 17:14:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from br@salsgiver.com) X-Authentication-Warning: email.salsgiver.com: Host [156.154.81.54] claimed to be [10.33.193.32] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Brian Rosen In-Reply-To: <8db0d0c8-9621-6f0c-c12f-d3fb7c5dd1f1@alum.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 17:14:57 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <21D6E6E8-A4CC-49D5-9DC1-28A0D0610BC8@salsgiver.com> <8db0d0c8-9621-6f0c-c12f-d3fb7c5dd1f1@alum.mit.edu> To: Paul Kyzivat X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: ecrit@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos' Sub-Services registry X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2016 21:15:03 -0000 I intend to. ISTM this violates the spirit of urn:service:sos I don=92t recall being in or seeing a discussion on this. Is anyone on the list familiar with this work? Brian > On Nov 3, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Paul Kyzivat = wrote: >=20 > On 11/3/16 4:56 PM, Brian Rosen wrote: >> I=92ll do it >=20 > I think it would be good to have this discussed on the list. (Wasn't = there already some discussion, somewhere?) >=20 > Thanks, > Paul >=20 >> Brian >>=20 >>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Az Mankin >> > wrote: >>>=20 >>> ECRIT Working Group, >>>=20 >>> We need a volunteer for the following IANA Expert Review request = that >>> Amanda Baber of IANA just sent to Roger and me. It needs to be >>> written and sent to the mailing list, per the IESG's appointment of >>> the WG as the Expert Reviewer >>> = (http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid-labels/urn-serviceid-labels= .xhtml). >>> Amanda's message is under the line. Who'd like to step up for this? >>>=20 >>> Thanks! from your Chairs >>> ---------------- >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> The IANA Services Operator has received a request for registration = in >>> the 'sos' Sub-Services registry in the Service URN Labels group. = This >>> request comes from Frederic Firmin of ETSI. >>>=20 >>> According to RFC 7163, registration in 'sos' Sub-Services requires >>> expert review as designated by the ECRIT working group or its >>> successor (or, in their absence, the IESG). Can you send this = request >>> for review? >>>=20 >>> The IESG has asked that expert reviews be completed within two = weeks, >>> if possible. >>>=20 >>> See below. >>>=20 >>> thanks, >>>=20 >>> Amanda Baber >>> Lead IANA Services Specialist >>> PTI >>>=20 >>> =3D=3D=3D >>>=20 >>> Contact Name: >>> Frederic Firmin >>>=20 >>> Contact Email: >>> frederic.firmin@etsi.org >>>=20 >>> Type of Assignment: >>> sub-service URN >>>=20 >>> Registry: >>> Service URN Labels registry with the "sos" URN Service Labels = subregistry. >>>=20 >>> Description: >>> This sub-service type is used before an appropriate sub-service type >>> is registered with IANA for a specific emergency service. This >>> sub-service type is not used where an appropriate sub-service type = has >>> been registered with IANA for the specific emergency service. >>> The next level of sub-services indicates the country where the >>> specific emergency service is used. Subtypes below this are defined = by >>> national regulation of that country and are not registered with = IANA. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Additional Info: >>> The following service URN is proposed to be registered: >>> urn:service:sos.country-specific >>>=20 >>> reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available at >>> http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zip >>> = >>> (cf subclause 7.11.1) >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ecrit mailing list >>> Ecrit@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Ecrit mailing list >> Ecrit@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit From nobody Thu Nov 3 15:06:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFFD12986E for ; 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A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: ericsson.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 03 Nov 2016 22:06:48.5569 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 92e84ceb-fbfd-47ab-be52-080c6b87953f X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM5PR0701MB2468 X-OriginatorOrg: ericsson.com X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA02Sa0hTYRjHec85m8fh6HVpe9pEcFSImqZErJQuflpEoBSlIunKk4o6ZcdE hUotzQzxbjm01FaapMSaqHjJW5kWS1DIvFTmHTOtEBVTc3sN+vZ7/v/neZ8LL0tLdAIZG6mJ 57QadbRCKGJKAhocD64b5QGHGsqclE+KmihlauWUQFn9ol2gXJnJQicZ1cbiEqVq0o1ZqfT6 NUpVPzrB+DFBIp8wLjoygdN6HA8VRSxmdKE4nWNiaUkxlYJqpFnImgV8GIaG++gsJGIluA7B 5uA8RYIeBJm1C4w5YHA2DQWpCztOKQXjpl6GBO8Q5KZ/ZMyPCbE75Bm7BWa2w/6Qff/7dgXL 0vgM1L7aa5Z3YxW8NdxhSMppGFvLpwgHQdufVmRmBu+DbylpQjOLcSh0FBXuzGegYflNlqXY envw/pFCSzHCe2Cl77mFaSyF4clHFFkOg77lA03YHuYmNgUkPxi27v0WEN0JctJzrAifheWR BmRuBriShturPYgYKpg2tVuWARwLGVViIrtAZreOIvktCBoHdAwxHKC6d0pIDJMACrpmLetI MAdVtemInEIGY4N3US5y0f03OGE3KG/+JSTsCk8r5mmd5Rq20FsyyZQjpgbZ8xzPx4R7eblz 2sgrPB+rcddw8Qa0/WM6jOvHGlHHzKlOhFmksBEv+ckDJAJ1Ap8U04mApRV24h+GbUkcpk5K 5rSxIdpr0RzfieQso5CKjzz7clGCw9XxXBTHxXHafy7FWstSkO3y5+kD+gs+gXzgquGc78PM rRsnKo8mz/Wed7u86u2MEmZV8Mn/urZu1Nu3qLl5v6Znrv7le11w4aKp31NG35p3H/g5PWEc 3yXKn8krkD6+lCQbSpxs9W4rq/WoKE+PujklSfN9IG/X00ZTTPBXh6uvVSHFNl1Qo3RuLXYt 2FAwfITa04XW8uq/rodryS0DAAA= Archived-At: Cc: "ecrit@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Ivo's review of draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-15 - ISSUE 7 X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2016 22:06:56 -0000 Randall, I identified a technical problem ("attach X to SIP message" is not defined)= during WGLC.=20 You did not solve the technical problem during WGLC. Paul's mail from 1st Nov somehow confirms that there can be different inter= pretations and something needs to be done ("It needs to be defined in detai= l for each case."). I proposed a possible solution in the updated draft. You do not like the solution but have not proposed any other solution till = now. The technical problem is still unresolved. I think I have done my duty and it is time for chairs to settle what to do. Now in details to your answers: > > 1) rfc7852 defines "conveying" of data (not "attaching" data): > > ------------------- > > When an emergency call is sent to a Public Safety Answering Point > > (PSAP), the originating device, the access network provider to whic= h > > the device is connected, and all service providers in the path of t= he > > call have information about the call, the caller, or the location, > > which is helpful for the PSAP to have in handling the emergency. > > This document describes data structures and mechanisms to **convey = such > > data** to the PSAP. The intent is that every emergency call carry = as > > much of the information described here as possible using the > > mechanisms described here. > > > > The mechanisms permit the data to be **conveyed** by reference (as = an > > external resource) or by value (within the body of a SIP message or= a > > location object). This follows the tradition of prior emergency > > services standardization work where data can be conveyed by value > > within the call signaling (i.e., in the body of the SIP message) or > > by reference. > > ------------------- > > so I use "convey" when introducing rfc7852 in eCall draft. >=20 > RFC 7852 discusses equally sending data with the call and sending a refer= ence=20 > to data that is available externally, hence the use of the neutral term=20 > "conveyance." I think using "conveyance" in the eCall draft would be les= s=20 > well understood by the average reader than using "attach." The term "att= ach"=20 > seems pretty generally well understood, and the current language in the d= raft=20 > makes it very clear exactly what steps are performed. "attach X to SIP message" is NOT defined anywhere and thus the standard is = NOT clear. The nearest interpretation of "attach X to SIP message" is "include a body = part containing X with Content-Disposition: attachment in SIP message", whi= ch does not work with the draft. > > Moreover, given that rfc7852 does not use "attach" data, eCall draft=20 > > should be able to live without "attach" data too. > > > > 2) I *think* the intention of "attach" in the draft is to refer to=20 > > "block transmitted by value" as described in rfc7852 section 6.1 the=20 > > last paragraph 1st sentence: > > ------------------- > > When blocks are transmitted by value, the 'purpose' parameter in a > > Call-Info header field identifies the data, and the CID URL points = to > > the data block in the body (which has a matching Content-ID body pa= rt > > header field). > > ------------------- > > So I use "block transmitted by value" everywhere in eCall draft with=20 > > exception identified in 3) below. >=20 > That seems more confusing to use in the eCall draft, since eCall data is = not=20 > transmitted by reference. "block transmitted by value" is defined in rfc7852. How can it be confusing= to use that term together with referencing rfc7852??? "attach X to SIP message" is NOT defined anywhere. Can usage of a defined term be more confusing than usage of an undefined te= rm??? Kind regards Ivo From nobody Thu Nov 3 17:47:16 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8377D1294BF for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 17:47:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dc-L3N_KVEKU for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 17:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8042E129580 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2016 17:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fr712umx4.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.245.210.45]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 01BE88D0497C; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 00:47:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.42]) by fr712umx4.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO-o) with ESMTP id uA40l9WW004563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 4 Nov 2016 00:47:10 GMT Received: from FR712WXCHHUB03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr712wxchhub03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.74]) by fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id uA40l9Af020977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 4 Nov 2016 01:47:09 +0100 Received: from FR712WXCHMBA11.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.7.214]) by FR712WXCHHUB03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.239.2.74]) with mapi id 14.03.0301.000; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 01:47:09 +0100 From: "Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB)" To: Brian Rosen , Paul Kyzivat Thread-Topic: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos' Sub-Services registry Thread-Index: AQHSNgzf0eGMaQTXJkiJULrs3cMrFaDHrKuAgAADqACAAAF3gIAASn5g Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 00:47:08 +0000 Message-ID: <949EF20990823C4C85C18D59AA11AD8BADFA73F5@FR712WXCHMBA11.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <21D6E6E8-A4CC-49D5-9DC1-28A0D0610BC8@salsgiver.com> <8db0d0c8-9621-6f0c-c12f-d3fb7c5dd1f1@alum.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.239.27.41] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "ecrit@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos' Sub-Services registry X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2016 00:47:14 -0000 This suggestion to discuss on the list before anyone had even looked at it = suggests that the WG has totally failed in setting the review criteria for = IANA registration to Expert Review. It should be the awkward ones where the= reviewer might come to the list, not all of them. Keith -----Original Message----- From: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rosen Sent: 03 November 2016 21:15 To: Paul Kyzivat Cc: ecrit@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos' Su= b-Services registry I intend to. ISTM this violates the spirit of urn:service:sos I don't recall being in or seeing a discussion on this. Is anyone on the list familiar with this work? Brian > On Nov 3, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote: >=20 > On 11/3/16 4:56 PM, Brian Rosen wrote: >> I'll do it >=20 > I think it would be good to have this discussed on the list. (Wasn't=20 > there already some discussion, somewhere?) >=20 > Thanks, > Paul >=20 >> Brian >>=20 >>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Az Mankin >> > wrote: >>>=20 >>> ECRIT Working Group, >>>=20 >>> We need a volunteer for the following IANA Expert Review request=20 >>> that Amanda Baber of IANA just sent to Roger and me. It needs to be=20 >>> written and sent to the mailing list, per the IESG's appointment of=20 >>> the WG as the Expert Reviewer=20 >>> (http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid-labels/urn-serviceid-lab= els.xhtml). >>> Amanda's message is under the line. Who'd like to step up for this? >>>=20 >>> Thanks! from your Chairs >>> ---------------- >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> The IANA Services Operator has received a request for registration=20 >>> in the 'sos' Sub-Services registry in the Service URN Labels group.=20 >>> This request comes from Frederic Firmin of ETSI. >>>=20 >>> According to RFC 7163, registration in 'sos' Sub-Services requires=20 >>> expert review as designated by the ECRIT working group or its=20 >>> successor (or, in their absence, the IESG). Can you send this=20 >>> request for review? >>>=20 >>> The IESG has asked that expert reviews be completed within two=20 >>> weeks, if possible. >>>=20 >>> See below. >>>=20 >>> thanks, >>>=20 >>> Amanda Baber >>> Lead IANA Services Specialist >>> PTI >>>=20 >>> =3D=3D=3D >>>=20 >>> Contact Name: >>> Frederic Firmin >>>=20 >>> Contact Email: >>> frederic.firmin@etsi.org >>>=20 >>> Type of Assignment: >>> sub-service URN >>>=20 >>> Registry: >>> Service URN Labels registry with the "sos" URN Service Labels subregist= ry. >>>=20 >>> Description: >>> This sub-service type is used before an appropriate sub-service type=20 >>> is registered with IANA for a specific emergency service. This=20 >>> sub-service type is not used where an appropriate sub-service type=20 >>> has been registered with IANA for the specific emergency service. >>> The next level of sub-services indicates the country where the=20 >>> specific emergency service is used. Subtypes below this are defined=20 >>> by national regulation of that country and are not registered with IANA= . >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Additional Info: >>> The following service URN is proposed to be registered: >>> urn:service:sos.country-specific >>>=20 >>> reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available at=20 >>> http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zip >>> >> p> >>> (cf subclause 7.11.1) >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ecrit mailing list >>> Ecrit@ietf.org =20 >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Ecrit mailing list >> Ecrit@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit _______________________________________________ Ecrit mailing list Ecrit@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit From nobody Fri Nov 4 02:12:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 335ED12963F for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 02:12:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hn-1sJapXt0i for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 02:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sesbmg23.ericsson.net (sesbmg23.ericsson.net [193.180.251.37]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C937129417 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 02:12:13 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb25-953ff70000001e3e-f3-581c50ebea99 Received: from ESESSHC019.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.75]) by (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id B6.AD.07742.BE05C185; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 10:12:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from ESESSMB209.ericsson.se ([169.254.9.177]) by ESESSHC019.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.75]) with mapi id 14.03.0319.002; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 10:12:11 +0100 From: Christer Holmberg To: Ivo Sedlacek , Randall Gellens , Az Mankin Thread-Topic: [Ecrit] Ivo's review of draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-15 - ISSUE 7 Thread-Index: AQHSM47BSesWv686Q3CGsB9ygk2d86DDtQ/wgABPm4CAAEN1o4ABCFuAgACnkQCAAXnA1IAAU3gAgADM0IA= Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 09:12:09 +0000 Message-ID: References: <181874aa-8dc1-8cd5-3ced-9965ba071b82@alum.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.9.160926 x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.147] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <14B7A406EAD972449BFD8EBE0CA015D3@ericsson.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrOIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7t+6bAJkIg/dXZS2WTt3JZNG46Cmr xffnXYwOzB47Z91l91iy5CeTx9Y7j1kCmKO4bFJSczLLUov07RK4Mp537mQs2KlUcWfPIZYG xg7pLkYODgkBE4nuPfZdjFwcQgLrGCW2/DnNDOEsZpRYsPg1O0gRm4CFRPc/7S5GTg4RgWqJ i7/nsYDYzAKqEucaH4PZwgIeEu2/z7JC1HhK3P05iQnCTpL4vm0dM8gYFgEVieuzg0HCvALW EmdmtzFCrLrOJPHnxQqwXk6BRImmGUvBbEYBMYnvp9YwQewSl7j1ZD6YLSEgILFkz3lmCFtU 4uXjf6wg80UF9CTW3A+DeEtJYtrWNIhOHYkFuz+xQdjWEtfb+xghbG2JZQtfM0OcIyhxcuYT lgmM4rOQLJuFpH0WkvZZSNpnIWlfwMi6ilG0OLU4KTfdyFgvtSgzubg4P08vL7VkEyMw+g5u +a26g/HyG8dDjAIcjEo8vB8CpCOEWBPLiitzDzFKcDArifDusZOJEOJNSaysSi3Kjy8qzUkt PsQozcGiJM5rtvJ+uJBAemJJanZqakFqEUyWiYNTqoHRvPnOrDlXVyy0Fj1vq8/xNsv9z9vm 9NDFL5Y3b9P6LHzZcp/QOY9TLUmb9Txf7/h3x/juaSWfUy/TteRUznn36z74Zh/QKC8bfGrh bNWWeRvf6y67sUbqwBGhL84nf0/X4jgy6dw5+RLfuWbcpZv2Cf9MmtbxlTnd7CzPppN6jALc XLPE03jklViKMxINtZiLihMBZFQdJLoCAAA= Archived-At: Cc: "ecrit@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Ivo's review of draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-15 - ISSUE 7 X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2016 09:12:16 -0000 Hi, If something is undefined, we should either define it, or use alternative terminology.=20 I suggested alternative terminology some time ago, but that was not adopted either. Regards, Christer On 04/11/16 00:06, "Ecrit on behalf of Ivo Sedlacek" wrote: >Randall, > >I identified a technical problem ("attach X to SIP message" is not >defined) during WGLC. > >You did not solve the technical problem during WGLC. > >Paul's mail from 1st Nov somehow confirms that there can be different >interpretations and something needs to be done ("It needs to be defined >in detail for each case."). > >I proposed a possible solution in the updated draft. > >You do not like the solution but have not proposed any other solution >till now. > >The technical problem is still unresolved. > >I think I have done my duty and it is time for chairs to settle what to >do. > > > >Now in details to your answers: > >> > 1) rfc7852 defines "conveying" of data (not "attaching" data): >> > ------------------- >> > When an emergency call is sent to a Public Safety Answering Point >> > (PSAP), the originating device, the access network provider to >>which >> > the device is connected, and all service providers in the path of >>the >> > call have information about the call, the caller, or the location, >> > which is helpful for the PSAP to have in handling the emergency. >> > This document describes data structures and mechanisms to >>**convey such >> > data** to the PSAP. The intent is that every emergency call >>carry as >> > much of the information described here as possible using the >> > mechanisms described here. >> > >> > The mechanisms permit the data to be **conveyed** by reference >>(as an >> > external resource) or by value (within the body of a SIP message >>or a >> > location object). This follows the tradition of prior emergency >> > services standardization work where data can be conveyed by value >> > within the call signaling (i.e., in the body of the SIP message) >>or >> > by reference. >> > ------------------- >> > so I use "convey" when introducing rfc7852 in eCall draft. >>=20 >> RFC 7852 discusses equally sending data with the call and sending a >>reference=20 >> to data that is available externally, hence the use of the neutral term >> "conveyance." I think using "conveyance" in the eCall draft would be >>less=20 >> well understood by the average reader than using "attach." The term >>"attach"=20 >> seems pretty generally well understood, and the current language in the >>draft=20 >> makes it very clear exactly what steps are performed. > >"attach X to SIP message" is NOT defined anywhere and thus the standard >is NOT clear. > >The nearest interpretation of "attach X to SIP message" is "include a >body part containing X with Content-Disposition: attachment in SIP >message", which does not work with the draft. > >> > Moreover, given that rfc7852 does not use "attach" data, eCall draft >> > should be able to live without "attach" data too. >> > >> > 2) I *think* the intention of "attach" in the draft is to refer to >> > "block transmitted by value" as described in rfc7852 section 6.1 the >> > last paragraph 1st sentence: >> > ------------------- >> > When blocks are transmitted by value, the 'purpose' parameter in a >> > Call-Info header field identifies the data, and the CID URL >>points to >> > the data block in the body (which has a matching Content-ID body >>part >> > header field). >> > ------------------- >> > So I use "block transmitted by value" everywhere in eCall draft with >> > exception identified in 3) below. >>=20 >> That seems more confusing to use in the eCall draft, since eCall data >>is not=20 >> transmitted by reference. > >"block transmitted by value" is defined in rfc7852. How can it be >confusing to use that term together with referencing rfc7852??? > >"attach X to SIP message" is NOT defined anywhere. > >Can usage of a defined term be more confusing than usage of an undefined >term??? > >Kind regards > >Ivo > >_______________________________________________ >Ecrit mailing list >Ecrit@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit From nobody Fri Nov 4 06:49:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EA3B12946B for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 06:49:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G-dZHcHwydeV for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 06:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x233.google.com (mail-oi0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 527D8129503 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 06:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x233.google.com with SMTP id x4so160659733oix.2 for ; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 06:49:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=a5byWOfElZQ9Tp+anT1s69XudJYGE5xbxvJLFb53L+o=; b=JJkEwbQ0qDoxLlMxO7wozZmeBc2La4MluNgxdFFVlGpGiKzRaDwMoumB4AJf0Xy40z XUC/mLFCUQ8UcGXJyfVMWk9YGhWQOCTACdxZzlqR0Ws5UMY8PutdgKIhebn92FIzLdwm Ovl+ccfe9U3k3qgDqC1/wb67xcBvtE2YiNf4KCS8el1z11n3KvHdfnuFU6bAhMMxleWb Dd9iHAa07tUwivE90EwvjNy0mgDWjZ0k7TP0sTAH/peTVh9PpkXEyGHou40JzSAY2Hw4 bLqjft6eRid7GqfzgrqQ4JIkphrgu8mnCVrAPUX0wzLkxcrBaegbck04dzaVtZG12LVs BxvQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=a5byWOfElZQ9Tp+anT1s69XudJYGE5xbxvJLFb53L+o=; b=euOh7Fx1PyiD4komVzN1n4boAYJ+8X5Sh3Uw0Kjh6c/OBzE3iNDeZ3KXlj3HeNLQvU pbmOTkygZwaFGnhC+LPSQ6G4SyYD+XCAeVJnkbNDuCDOIOfyTVTfYZneo08y1xpkXZv4 4+uhFzAkrtxze3bkuWhsxfT7dzyv8cGuMO11s96NApnApf0uJWfZ7TWpulk5ZBj2dyqT bqe6Gw5+MM8Za/Cx7FUaZxoS8A+B5dCGKxo+PcXUh9ebbxQN6DYY6+BMWs53ZXfL6Cr1 MnIv4iDUN8jrABsHRhrcYdaLJv6hFmSbQzV52HxW429BCqteRcbxBueIjYqi/f6z0H7N cWqQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvexd4tABWi3OD1YeG7NXwL0R7lPGraq9c+mMhfZFN0tvLQcl6mE/AGFCqriYWz/idReiVwhD/FAkPBtLQ== X-Received: by 10.157.58.3 with SMTP id j3mr10900482otc.194.1478267375441; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 06:49:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.193.136 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 06:49:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <949EF20990823C4C85C18D59AA11AD8BADFA73F5@FR712WXCHMBA11.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <21D6E6E8-A4CC-49D5-9DC1-28A0D0610BC8@salsgiver.com> <8db0d0c8-9621-6f0c-c12f-d3fb7c5dd1f1@alum.mit.edu> <949EF20990823C4C85C18D59AA11AD8BADFA73F5@FR712WXCHMBA11.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com> From: Az Mankin Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 06:49:34 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1147333acbe087054079f142 Archived-At: Cc: "ecrit@ietf.org" , Brian Rosen Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos' Sub-Services registry X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2016 13:49:42 -0000 --001a1147333acbe087054079f142 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, Keith, When the RFC was reviewed by the IESG, the Expert Review policy was set to "ECRIT WG or their successor or the IESG if there is no successor." I asked for this to be on the list (but noting that it has a two week deadline) because of this, and I'm not sure what the concern is. Allison On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB) < keith.drage@nokia.com> wrote: > This suggestion to discuss on the list before anyone had even looked at it > suggests that the WG has totally failed in setting the review criteria for > IANA registration to Expert Review. It should be the awkward ones where the > reviewer might come to the list, not all of them. > > Keith > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rosen > Sent: 03 November 2016 21:15 > To: Paul Kyzivat > Cc: ecrit@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos' > Sub-Services registry > > I intend to. ISTM this violates the spirit of urn:service:sos > > I don't recall being in or seeing a discussion on this. > > Is anyone on the list familiar with this work? > > Brian > > On Nov 3, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote: > > > > On 11/3/16 4:56 PM, Brian Rosen wrote: > >> I'll do it > > > > I think it would be good to have this discussed on the list. (Wasn't > > there already some discussion, somewhere?) > > > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > >> Brian > >> > >>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Az Mankin >>> > wrote: > >>> > >>> ECRIT Working Group, > >>> > >>> We need a volunteer for the following IANA Expert Review request > >>> that Amanda Baber of IANA just sent to Roger and me. It needs to be > >>> written and sent to the mailing list, per the IESG's appointment of > >>> the WG as the Expert Reviewer > >>> (http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid- > labels/urn-serviceid-labels.xhtml). > >>> Amanda's message is under the line. Who'd like to step up for this? > >>> > >>> Thanks! from your Chairs > >>> ---------------- > >>> > >>> > >>> The IANA Services Operator has received a request for registration > >>> in the 'sos' Sub-Services registry in the Service URN Labels group. > >>> This request comes from Frederic Firmin of ETSI. > >>> > >>> According to RFC 7163, registration in 'sos' Sub-Services requires > >>> expert review as designated by the ECRIT working group or its > >>> successor (or, in their absence, the IESG). Can you send this > >>> request for review? > >>> > >>> The IESG has asked that expert reviews be completed within two > >>> weeks, if possible. > >>> > >>> See below. > >>> > >>> thanks, > >>> > >>> Amanda Baber > >>> Lead IANA Services Specialist > >>> PTI > >>> > >>> === > >>> > >>> Contact Name: > >>> Frederic Firmin > >>> > >>> Contact Email: > >>> frederic.firmin@etsi.org > >>> > >>> Type of Assignment: > >>> sub-service URN > >>> > >>> Registry: > >>> Service URN Labels registry with the "sos" URN Service Labels > subregistry. > >>> > >>> Description: > >>> This sub-service type is used before an appropriate sub-service type > >>> is registered with IANA for a specific emergency service. This > >>> sub-service type is not used where an appropriate sub-service type > >>> has been registered with IANA for the specific emergency service. > >>> The next level of sub-services indicates the country where the > >>> specific emergency service is used. Subtypes below this are defined > >>> by national regulation of that country and are not registered with > IANA. > >>> > >>> > >>> Additional Info: > >>> The following service URN is proposed to be registered: > >>> urn:service:sos.country-specific > >>> > >>> reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available at > >>> http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zip > >>> >>> p> > >>> (cf subclause 7.11.1) > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Ecrit mailing list > >>> Ecrit@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ecrit mailing list > >> Ecrit@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ecrit mailing list > > Ecrit@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > --001a1147333acbe087054079f142 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Keith,

When the RFC was reviewe= d by the IESG, the Expert Review policy was set to "ECRIT WG or their = successor or the IESG if there is no successor."=C2=A0 I asked for thi= s to be on the list (but noting that it has a two week deadline) because of= this, and I'm not sure what the concern is.=C2=A0

Alliso= n

On Thu= , Nov 3, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB) <<= a href=3D"mailto:keith.drage@nokia.com" target=3D"_blank">keith.drage@nokia= .com> wrote:
This suggestio= n to discuss on the list before anyone had even looked at it suggests that = the WG has totally failed in setting the review criteria for IANA registrat= ion to Expert Review. It should be the awkward ones where the reviewer migh= t come to the list, not all of them.

Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces= @ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rosen
Sent: 03 November 2016 21:15
To: Paul Kyzivat
Cc: ecrit@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos= ' Sub-Services registry

I intend to.=C2=A0 ISTM this violates the spirit of urn:service:sos

I don't recall being in or seeing a discussion on this.

Is anyone on the list familiar with this work?

Brian
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
> On 11/3/16 4:56 PM, Brian Rosen wrote:
>> I'll do it
>
> I think it would be good to have this discussed on the list. (Wasn'= ;t
> there already some discussion, somewhere?)
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Paul
>
>> Brian
>>
>>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Az Mankin <azmankin@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:azmankin@gmai= l.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ECRIT Working Group,
>>>
>>> We need a volunteer for the following IANA Expert Review reque= st
>>> that Amanda Baber of IANA just sent to Roger and me.=C2=A0 It = needs to be
>>> written and sent to the mailing list, per the IESG's appoi= ntment of
>>> the WG as the Expert Reviewer
>>> (http://= www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid-labels/urn-serviceid-label= s.xhtml).
>>> Amanda's message is under the line. Who'd like to step= up for this?
>>>
>>> Thanks!=C2=A0 from your Chairs
>>> ----------------
>>>
>>>
>>> The IANA Services Operator has received a request for registra= tion
>>> in the 'sos' Sub-Services registry in the Service URN = Labels group.
>>> This request comes from Frederic Firmin of ETSI.
>>>
>>> According to RFC 7163, registration in 'sos' Sub-Servi= ces requires
>>> expert review as designated by the ECRIT working group or its<= br> >>> successor (or, in their absence, the IESG). Can you send this<= br> >>> request for review?
>>>
>>> The IESG has asked that expert reviews be completed within two=
>>> weeks, if possible.
>>>
>>> See below.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>>
>>> Amanda Baber
>>> Lead IANA Services Specialist
>>> PTI
>>>
>>> =3D=3D=3D
>>>
>>> Contact Name:
>>> Frederic Firmin
>>>
>>> Contact Email:
>>> frederic.firmin@et= si.org <mailto:frederic.= firmin@etsi.org>
>>>
>>> Type of Assignment:
>>> sub-service URN
>>>
>>> Registry:
>>> Service URN Labels registry with the "sos" URN Servi= ce Labels subregistry.
>>>
>>> Description:
>>> This sub-service type is used before an appropriate sub-servic= e type
>>> is registered with IANA for a specific emergency service. This=
>>> sub-service type is not used where an appropriate sub-service = type
>>> has been registered with IANA for the specific emergency servi= ce.
>>> The next level of sub-services indicates the country where the=
>>> specific emergency service is used. Subtypes below this are de= fined
>>> by national regulation of that country and are not registered = with IANA.
>>>
>>>
>>> Additional Info:
>>> The following service URN is proposed to be registered:
>>> urn:service:sos.country-specific
>>>
>>> reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available at
>>> http://www.3gpp.org= /ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zip
>>> <http://www.3gpp.= org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zi
>>> p>
>>> (cf subclause 7.11.1)
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Ecrit mailing list
>>> Ecrit@ietf.org <mailt= o:Ecrit@ietf.org>
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/e= crit
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Ecrit@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit=
>>
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--001a1147333acbe087054079f142-- From nobody Fri Nov 4 07:54:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4D012955F for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 07:54:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I3xvSFqdtPjF for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 07:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0C04129554 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2016 07:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.98]) by resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id 2fr5czmA81XXB2fsmcXgTT; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 14:54:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.110] ([73.186.127.100]) by resomta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id 2fskcdkLXMhnC2fslcpDSK; Fri, 04 Nov 2016 14:54:16 +0000 To: "Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB)" , Brian Rosen References: <21D6E6E8-A4CC-49D5-9DC1-28A0D0610BC8@salsgiver.com> <8db0d0c8-9621-6f0c-c12f-d3fb7c5dd1f1@alum.mit.edu> <949EF20990823C4C85C18D59AA11AD8BADFA73F5@FR712WXCHMBA11.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com> From: Paul Kyzivat Message-ID: <39d7ef96-7083-5989-684a-d79b6c0b3b4a@alum.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 10:54:14 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <949EF20990823C4C85C18D59AA11AD8BADFA73F5@FR712WXCHMBA11.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfGQldB/izVuLH8BrJL7YZGLZ7PhJh/aTeoLxiteRHx/JtJPayKOW+Cp7iEY3+NbX+PcikMo47b4NrBz6Eg+z8IGAPQjexGsbpwk15k0uxU9PSvYNFPNe /USfxnMPe+9mai4CP74Jgre30cft+YE6vWWk6QR+Fv1wDA2J6R6tTT/94dZHhajAleC0kqbVEo2tTQA87QJrKk5SPjDLHXh0ZLtRoyPoO8IlA5+SdJD+aqd+ Archived-At: Cc: "ecrit@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos' Sub-Services registry X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2016 14:54:28 -0000 Keith, On 11/3/16 8:47 PM, Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB) wrote: > This suggestion to discuss on the list before anyone had even looked at it suggests that the WG has totally failed in setting the review criteria for IANA registration to Expert Review. It should be the awkward ones where the reviewer might come to the list, not all of them. RFC5226 says about expert review: - The designated expert is not required to personally bear the burden of evaluating and deciding all requests, but acts as a shepherd for the request, enlisting the help of others as appropriate. In the case that a request is denied, and rejecting the request is likely to be controversial, the expert should have the support of other subject matter experts. That is, the expert must be able to defend a decision to the community as a whole. That gives the expert latitude to consult, such as with the WG. And that would be the case even if the expert was an individual. In this case the wg itself is identified as the "expert". Thanks, Paul > Keith > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rosen > Sent: 03 November 2016 21:15 > To: Paul Kyzivat > Cc: ecrit@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos' Sub-Services registry > > I intend to. ISTM this violates the spirit of urn:service:sos > > I don't recall being in or seeing a discussion on this. > > Is anyone on the list familiar with this work? > > Brian >> On Nov 3, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote: >> >> On 11/3/16 4:56 PM, Brian Rosen wrote: >>> I'll do it >> >> I think it would be good to have this discussed on the list. (Wasn't >> there already some discussion, somewhere?) >> >> Thanks, >> Paul >> >>> Brian >>> >>>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Az Mankin >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> ECRIT Working Group, >>>> >>>> We need a volunteer for the following IANA Expert Review request >>>> that Amanda Baber of IANA just sent to Roger and me. It needs to be >>>> written and sent to the mailing list, per the IESG's appointment of >>>> the WG as the Expert Reviewer >>>> (http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid-labels/urn-serviceid-labels.xhtml). >>>> Amanda's message is under the line. Who'd like to step up for this? >>>> >>>> Thanks! from your Chairs >>>> ---------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> The IANA Services Operator has received a request for registration >>>> in the 'sos' Sub-Services registry in the Service URN Labels group. >>>> This request comes from Frederic Firmin of ETSI. >>>> >>>> According to RFC 7163, registration in 'sos' Sub-Services requires >>>> expert review as designated by the ECRIT working group or its >>>> successor (or, in their absence, the IESG). Can you send this >>>> request for review? >>>> >>>> The IESG has asked that expert reviews be completed within two >>>> weeks, if possible. >>>> >>>> See below. >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> >>>> Amanda Baber >>>> Lead IANA Services Specialist >>>> PTI >>>> >>>> === >>>> >>>> Contact Name: >>>> Frederic Firmin >>>> >>>> Contact Email: >>>> frederic.firmin@etsi.org >>>> >>>> Type of Assignment: >>>> sub-service URN >>>> >>>> Registry: >>>> Service URN Labels registry with the "sos" URN Service Labels subregistry. >>>> >>>> Description: >>>> This sub-service type is used before an appropriate sub-service type >>>> is registered with IANA for a specific emergency service. This >>>> sub-service type is not used where an appropriate sub-service type >>>> has been registered with IANA for the specific emergency service. >>>> The next level of sub-services indicates the country where the >>>> specific emergency service is used. Subtypes below this are defined >>>> by national regulation of that country and are not registered with IANA. >>>> >>>> >>>> Additional Info: >>>> The following service URN is proposed to be registered: >>>> urn:service:sos.country-specific >>>> >>>> reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available at >>>> http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zip >>>> >>> p> >>>> (cf subclause 7.11.1) >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ecrit mailing list >>>> Ecrit@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ecrit mailing list >>> Ecrit@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ecrit mailing list >> Ecrit@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > From 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Thread-Topic: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos' Sub-Services registry Thread-Index: AQHSNgzf0eGMaQTXJkiJULrs3cMrFaDHrKuAgAADqACAAAF3gIAASn5ggADLZwCAACJZMA== Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 14:55:28 +0000 Message-ID: <949EF20990823C4C85C18D59AA11AD8BADFA7B64@FR712WXCHMBA11.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <21D6E6E8-A4CC-49D5-9DC1-28A0D0610BC8@salsgiver.com> <8db0d0c8-9621-6f0c-c12f-d3fb7c5dd1f1@alum.mit.edu> <949EF20990823C4C85C18D59AA11AD8BADFA73F5@FR712WXCHMBA11.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.239.27.41] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_949EF20990823C4C85C18D59AA11AD8BADFA7B64FR712WXCHMBA11z_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "ecrit@ietf.org" , Brian Rosen Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos' Sub-Services registry X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list 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"Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: "ecrit@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos' Sub-Services registry X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2016 15:32:36 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3C55EF4F-DC04-424C-B9CD-8839CE895621 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I think the criteria is fine. If they had proposed a service in the way we envisioned services, say = =E2=80=9CSwift Water Rescue=E2=80=9D, it would be a no-brainer. =20 In this case they want to create an escape hatch, country specific, with = no registry. This is not what we anticipated. That means that the = review will be difficult. An expert reviewer is needed. Alison asked, and I accepted. I am the = expert reviewer. I will follow the normal process, which includes consulting with others, = in this case, the entire WG, and responding back through the usual = channels. It may be that as a result of this request we generate a document that = updates 7163. We=E2=80=99ll see. But right now, I think we have a workable process that comports with = established IETF procedures. Brian > On Nov 4, 2016, at 11:00 AM, Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB) = wrote: >=20 > I would add further that the process is for the Expert Reviewer to = send any questions or concerns back to IANA and thence to the original = requester, not make a post on the list asking if anyone is aware of the = issue. > =20 > I would stress that any response in this case would need to be based = on 3GPP CT1 discussion of the response to the IANA registration = requestion, and possibly amendment of the IANA registration section of = the referenced specification.=20 > =20 > Keith > =20 > From: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org = ] On Behalf Of Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB) > Sent: 04 November 2016 14:55 > To: Az Mankin > Cc: ecrit@ietf.org ; Brian Rosen > Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA = 'sos' Sub-Services registry > =20 > The process is that the WG should have (long ago) appointed an expert = or experts for the registry, and that information should be given to = IANA. > =20 > IANA would then send the review request to the appropriate expert and = the review would have taken place without necessarily any direct = involvement of the WG, based on the criteria specified in the RFC 7163. > =20 > Instead this appears to be automatically turning into =E2=80=9CWorking = Group Review=E2=80=9D for which there is no such case, rather than = =E2=80=9CExpert Review=E2=80=9D. > =20 > Keith > =20 > From: Az Mankin [mailto:azmankin@gmail.com = ]=20 > Sent: 04 November 2016 13:50 > To: Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB) > Cc: Brian Rosen; Paul Kyzivat; ecrit@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA = 'sos' Sub-Services registry > =20 > Hi, Keith, >=20 > When the RFC was reviewed by the IESG, the Expert Review policy was = set to "ECRIT WG or their successor or the IESG if there is no = successor." I asked for this to be on the list (but noting that it has = a two week deadline) because of this, and I'm not sure what the concern = is. =20 >=20 > Allison > =20 > On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB) = > wrote: > This suggestion to discuss on the list before anyone had even looked = at it suggests that the WG has totally failed in setting the review = criteria for IANA registration to Expert Review. It should be the = awkward ones where the reviewer might come to the list, not all of them. >=20 > Keith >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org = ] On Behalf Of Brian Rosen > Sent: 03 November 2016 21:15 > To: Paul Kyzivat > Cc: ecrit@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA = 'sos' Sub-Services registry >=20 > I intend to. ISTM this violates the spirit of urn:service:sos >=20 > I don't recall being in or seeing a discussion on this. >=20 > Is anyone on the list familiar with this work? >=20 > Brian > > On Nov 3, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Paul Kyzivat > wrote: > > > > On 11/3/16 4:56 PM, Brian Rosen wrote: > >> I'll do it > > > > I think it would be good to have this discussed on the list. (Wasn't > > there already some discussion, somewhere?) > > > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > >> Brian > >> > >>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Az Mankin > >>> >> wrote: > >>> > >>> ECRIT Working Group, > >>> > >>> We need a volunteer for the following IANA Expert Review request > >>> that Amanda Baber of IANA just sent to Roger and me. It needs to = be > >>> written and sent to the mailing list, per the IESG's appointment = of > >>> the WG as the Expert Reviewer > >>> = (http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid-labels/urn-serviceid-labels= .xhtml = ). > >>> Amanda's message is under the line. Who'd like to step up for = this? > >>> > >>> Thanks! from your Chairs > >>> ---------------- > >>> > >>> > >>> The IANA Services Operator has received a request for registration > >>> in the 'sos' Sub-Services registry in the Service URN Labels = group. > >>> This request comes from Frederic Firmin of ETSI. > >>> > >>> According to RFC 7163, registration in 'sos' Sub-Services requires > >>> expert review as designated by the ECRIT working group or its > >>> successor (or, in their absence, the IESG). Can you send this > >>> request for review? > >>> > >>> The IESG has asked that expert reviews be completed within two > >>> weeks, if possible. > >>> > >>> See below. > >>> > >>> thanks, > >>> > >>> Amanda Baber > >>> Lead IANA Services Specialist > >>> PTI > >>> > >>> =3D=3D=3D > >>> > >>> Contact Name: > >>> Frederic Firmin > >>> > >>> Contact Email: > >>> frederic.firmin@etsi.org = > > >>> > >>> Type of Assignment: > >>> sub-service URN > >>> > >>> Registry: > >>> Service URN Labels registry with the "sos" URN Service Labels = subregistry. > >>> > >>> Description: > >>> This sub-service type is used before an appropriate sub-service = type > >>> is registered with IANA for a specific emergency service. This > >>> sub-service type is not used where an appropriate sub-service type > >>> has been registered with IANA for the specific emergency service. > >>> The next level of sub-services indicates the country where the > >>> specific emergency service is used. Subtypes below this are = defined > >>> by national regulation of that country and are not registered with = IANA. > >>> > >>> > >>> Additional Info: > >>> The following service URN is proposed to be registered: > >>> urn:service:sos.country-specific > >>> > >>> reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available at > >>> = http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zip = > >>> = > >>> p> > >>> (cf subclause 7.11.1) > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Ecrit mailing list > >>> Ecrit@ietf.org > > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit = > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ecrit mailing list > >> Ecrit@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit = > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ecrit mailing list > > Ecrit@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit = >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit = >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit = --Apple-Mail=_3C55EF4F-DC04-424C-B9CD-8839CE895621 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I think the criteria is fine.

If they had proposed a service in the = way we envisioned services, say =E2=80=9CSwift Water Rescue=E2=80=9D, it = would be a no-brainer.  

In this case they want to create an = escape hatch, country specific, with no registry.  This is not what = we anticipated.  That means that the review will be = difficult.

An = expert reviewer is needed.  Alison asked, and I accepted.  I = am the expert reviewer.

I will follow the normal process, which includes consulting = with others, in this case, the entire WG, and responding back through = the usual channels.

It may be that as a result of this request we generate a = document that updates 7163.  We=E2=80=99ll see.

But right now, I think = we have a workable process that comports with established IETF = procedures.

Brian

On Nov 4, 2016, at 11:00 AM, Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB) <keith.drage@nokia.com> wrote:

I would add further that the process is = for the Expert Reviewer to send any questions or concerns back to IANA = and thence to the original requester, not make a post on the list asking = if anyone is aware of the issue.
 
I would stress that any = response in this case would need to be based on 3GPP CT1 discussion of = the response to the IANA registration requestion, and possibly amendment = of the IANA registration section of the referenced specification. 
 
Keith
 
From: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of Drage, Keith = (Nokia - GB)
Sent: 04 November 2016 14:55
To: Az Mankin
Cc: ecrit@ietf.org; Brian Rosen
Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - = Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos' Sub-Services registry
 
The process is that the = WG should have (long ago) appointed an expert or experts for the = registry, and that information should be given to IANA.
 
IANA would then send = the review request to the appropriate expert and the review would have = taken place without necessarily any direct involvement of the WG, based = on the criteria specified in the RFC 7163.
 
Instead this appears to = be automatically turning into =E2=80=9CWorking Group Review=E2=80=9D for = which there is no such case, rather than =E2=80=9CExpert Review=E2=80=9D.<= o:p class=3D"">
 
Keith
 
From: Az Mankin [mailto:azmankin@gmail.com] 
Sent: 04 = November 2016 13:50
To: Drage, Keith (Nokia - = GB)
Cc: Brian Rosen; Paul = Kyzivat; ecrit@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - = Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos' Sub-Services registry
 

Hi, = Keith,

When the RFC was reviewed by the IESG, the Expert Review = policy was set to "ECRIT WG or their successor or the IESG if there is = no successor."  I asked for this to be on the list (but noting that = it has a two week deadline) because of this, and I'm not sure what the = concern is.  

Allison
 
On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 = at 5:47 PM, Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB) <keith.drage@nokia.com> wrote:
This = suggestion to discuss on the list before anyone had even looked at it = suggests that the WG has totally failed in setting the review criteria = for IANA registration to Expert Review. It should be the awkward ones = where the reviewer might come to the list, not all of them.

Keith

-----Original = Message-----
From: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Brian Rosen
Sent: 03 November 2016 21:15
To: Paul Kyzivat
Cc: ecrit@ietf.org
Subject: Re: = [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos' Sub-Services = registry

I intend to.  ISTM this = violates the spirit of urn:service:sos

I = don't recall being in or seeing a discussion on this.

Is anyone on the list familiar with this work?

Brian
> On Nov 3, 2016, at = 5:09 PM, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
> On 11/3/16 4:56 PM, Brian Rosen wrote:
>> I'll do it
>
> I = think it would be good to have this discussed on the list. (Wasn't
> there already some discussion, somewhere?)
>
>       Thanks,
>       Paul
>
>> Brian
>>
>>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Az Mankin <azmankin@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:azmankin@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ECRIT Working = Group,
>>>
>>> We need a = volunteer for the following IANA Expert Review request
>>> that Amanda Baber of IANA just sent to Roger and = me.  It needs to be
>>> written and sent to = the mailing list, per the IESG's appointment of
>>>= the WG as the Expert Reviewer
>>> (http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid-labels/urn-servic= eid-labels.xhtml).
>>> Amanda's message is = under the line. Who'd like to step up for this?
>>>
>>> Thanks!  from = your Chairs
>>> ----------------
>>>
>>>
>>> The IANA Services Operator has received a = request for registration
>>> in the 'sos' = Sub-Services registry in the Service URN Labels group.
>>> This request comes from Frederic Firmin of = ETSI.
>>>
>>> According to = RFC 7163, registration in 'sos' Sub-Services requires
>>> expert review as designated by the ECRIT working = group or its
>>> successor (or, in their absence, = the IESG). Can you send this
>>> request for = review?
>>>
>>> The IESG = has asked that expert reviews be completed within two
>>> weeks, if possible.
>>>
>>> See below.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>>
>>> Amanda Baber
>>> Lead = IANA Services Specialist
>>> PTI
>>>
>>> =3D=3D=3D
>>>
>>> Contact Name:
>>> Frederic Firmin
>>>
>>> Contact Email:
>>> frederic.firmin@etsi.org <mailto:frederic.firmin@etsi.org>
>>>
>>> Type of Assignment:
>>> = sub-service URN
>>>
>>> = Registry:
>>> Service URN Labels registry with = the "sos" URN Service Labels subregistry.
>>>
>>> Description:
>>> This = sub-service type is used before an appropriate sub-service type
>>> is registered with IANA for a specific emergency = service. This
>>> sub-service type is not used = where an appropriate sub-service type
>>> has = been registered with IANA for the specific emergency service.
>>> The next level of sub-services indicates the = country where the
>>> specific emergency service = is used. Subtypes below this are defined
>>> by = national regulation of that country and are not registered with IANA.
>>>
>>>
>>> Additional Info:
>>> The = following service URN is proposed to be registered:
>>> urn:service:sos.country-specific
>>>
>>> reference: 24.229 = 12.14.0 available at
>>> http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce= 0.zip
>>> <http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce= 0.zi
>>> p>
>>> (cf = subclause 7.11.1)
>>>
>>>>>> = _______________________________________________
>>>= Ecrit mailing list
>>> Ecrit@ietf.org <mailto:Ecrit@ietf.org>
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit
>>
>>
>>
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--Apple-Mail=_BE14D575-FDE6-40CF-9C4D-0EF7676609FD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I am the expert reviewer for a request from 3GPP to add = urn:service:sos.country-specific to the IANA registry. Please reference RFC7163 and reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available at = http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zip = = (cf subclause 7.11.1) The text in 23.229, says, in part: This sub-service type is used before an appropriate sub-service type is = registered with IANA for a specific emergency service.=20 The key word for me is =E2=80=9Cbefore=E2=80=9D, meaning the general = intention is to ultimately do regular registration for an emergency = service. This is similar to a general experimental service, or an = =E2=80=9CX-=E2=80=9C service. No registration is needed, no guarantee = of interoperability. The IETF has long history with these kinds of =E2=80=9Cescape=E2=80=9D = mechanisms, most of it bad. In this particular case, I am very confused why it is thought necessary = to have this kind of escape mechanism. While new kinds of emergency = services do appear from time to call, such as eCall, it=E2=80=99s rare; = very rare. It=E2=80=99s also definitely not country specific. The = registry is currently managed with expert review, and thus the bar to = new services is low. Even an experimental service that ultimately fails = to gain traction would not have any negative consequences if the listing = persisted in the registry. When 7163 was being discussed, we never imagined that a generic escape = mechanism was needed, because of these factors. This request is clearly = outside what we expected would occur, and it creates a very wide hole = for non-interoperable implementations, especially where the same service = exists in more than one country. On the other hand, we don=E2=80=99t have criteria in 7163 that would = allow me, as expert reviewer, to just say no. My suggested course of action is to send a liaison to CT1 and request = that they withdraw this request in favor of just using the registry as = it is designed to work. If 3GPP insists that they must have this = feature, I=E2=80=99m not sure I have sufficient grounds to reject it, = but I seek the advice of the work group on that. Brian= --Apple-Mail=_BE14D575-FDE6-40CF-9C4D-0EF7676609FD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I am the expert reviewer for a request from 3GPP to add = urn:service:sos.country-specific to the IANA registry.

Please reference RFC7163 and reference: = 24.229 12.14.0 available at http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zip (cf subclause 7.11.1)

The text in 23.229, says, in part:
This sub-service = type is used before an appropriate = sub-service type is registered with = IANA for a specific emergency = service. 
The key = word for me is =E2=80=9Cbefore=E2=80=9D, meaning the general intention = is to ultimately do  regular registration for an emergency service. =  This is similar to a general experimental service, or an =E2=80=9CX-= =E2=80=9C service.  No registration is needed, no guarantee of = interoperability.

The IETF has long history with these kinds of =E2=80=9Cescape=E2= =80=9D mechanisms, most of it bad.

In this particular case, I am very = confused why it is thought necessary to have this kind of escape = mechanism.  While new kinds of emergency services do appear from = time to call, such as eCall, it=E2=80=99s rare; very rare.  It=E2=80=99= s also definitely not country specific.  The registry is currently = managed with expert review, and thus the bar to new services is low. =  Even an experimental service that ultimately fails to gain = traction would not have any negative consequences if the listing = persisted in the registry.

When 7163 was being discussed, we never imagined that a = generic escape mechanism was needed, because of these factors. =  This request is clearly outside what we expected would occur, and = it creates a very wide hole for non-interoperable implementations, = especially where the same service exists in more than one = country.

On = the other hand, we don=E2=80=99t have criteria in 7163 that would allow = me, as expert reviewer, to just say no.

My suggested course of action is to = send a liaison to CT1 and request that they withdraw this request in = favor of just using the registry as it is designed to work.  If = 3GPP insists that they must have this feature, I=E2=80=99m not sure I = have sufficient grounds to reject it, but I seek the advice of the work = group on that.

Brian
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The first is that 7163 is clear that the registrations in this registry must be sub-services of the sos service. This registration is not in and of itself a sub-service. The second is that URN namespaces are intended to be managed, in order to maintain the persistence of the identifier and the persistence of the referent/identifier relationship. While it is possible to have delegated spaces within a URN namespace, the persistence is guaranteed by an agreement between the NID holder and those accepting the delegation. Because this is an IETF namespace, that means that the agreement would have to be between the IETF and the sub-namespace holders; no such agreement appears to be part of this. The risk is that a country-specific:country:identifier might be re-used, and the IETF would have no way to inform the group minting the identifier that this was not permitted. > My suggested course of action is to send a liaison to CT1 and request tha= t > they withdraw this request in favor of just using the registry as it is > designed to work. If 3GPP insists that they must have this feature, I=E2= =80=99m > not sure I have sufficient grounds to reject it, but I seek the advice of > the work group on that. > > I agree with your suggested course of action. If they decline, however, I believe you have sufficient grounds to reject it. Ted > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > > --001a114e2cf6886b070540e2fe72 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Brian,

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Brian Rosen <br@salsg= iver.com> wrote:

On the other hand, we don=E2=80=99t ha= ve criteria in 7163 that would allow me, as expert reviewer, to just say no= .


I disagree wit= h this, on two grounds.=C2=A0 The first is that 7163 is clear that the regi= strations in this registry must be sub-services of the sos service.=C2=A0 T= his registration is not in and of itself a sub-service.=C2=A0

The second is that URN namespaces are intended to be managed, in orde= r to maintain the persistence of the identifier and the persistence of the = referent/identifier relationship. While it is possible to have delegated sp= aces within a URN namespace, the persistence is guaranteed by an agreement = between the NID holder and those accepting the delegation.=C2=A0 Because th= is is an IETF namespace, that means that the agreement would have to be bet= ween the IETF and the sub-namespace holders; no such agreement appears to b= e part of this.=C2=A0 The risk is that a country-specific:country:identifie= r might be re-used, and the IETF would have no way to inform the group mint= ing the identifier that this was not permitted.
=C2=A0
My s= uggested course of action is to send a liaison to CT1 and request that they= withdraw this request in favor of just using the registry as it is designe= d to work.=C2=A0 If 3GPP insists that they must have this feature, I=E2=80= =99m not sure I have sufficient grounds to reject it, but I seek the advice= of the work group on that.


I = agree with your suggested course of action.=C2=A0 If they decline, however,= I believe you have sufficient grounds to reject it.

Ted<= br>

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From: "Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB)" To: Ted Hardie , Brian Rosen Thread-Topic: [Ecrit] urn:service:sos.country-specific Thread-Index: AQHSOrn8JQLgLZQLSkySNrzrVP0JSqDQ8zEAgABs3CA= Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 01:23:15 +0000 Message-ID: <949EF20990823C4C85C18D59AA11AD8BADFABB44@FR712WXCHMBA11.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.239.27.41] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_949EF20990823C4C85C18D59AA11AD8BADFABB44FR712WXCHMBA11z_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: ECRIT Subject: Re: [Ecrit] urn:service:sos.country-specific X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 01:23:24 -0000 --_000_949EF20990823C4C85C18D59AA11AD8BADFABB44FR712WXCHMBA11z_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 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(PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oXn0hXPGbLQD for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 06:54:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from email.salsgiver.com (email.salsgiver.com [206.67.234.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A040129442 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 06:54:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.33.193.32] ([156.154.81.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by email.salsgiver.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPA id uAAErqus002426; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 09:53:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from br@salsgiver.com) X-Authentication-Warning: email.salsgiver.com: Host [156.154.81.54] claimed to be [10.33.193.32] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_9D31F1E3-302F-4413-A7D7-7D2ACC143AF7" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Brian Rosen In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 09:53:52 -0500 Message-Id: <6337FF74-A230-42C9-989A-AA7A9EC07277@salsgiver.com> References: To: iana@iana.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: ECRIT Subject: [Ecrit] Expert Reviewer's response to request to register 'country-specific' in 'sos' Subservice Registry in the Service URN Labels group X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 14:54:19 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_9D31F1E3-302F-4413-A7D7-7D2ACC143AF7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I am the expert reviewer designated by the ecrit working group for this = request. I believe this request is not consistent with the words and the intent = of the registry. =E2=80=9Ccountry-specific=E2=80=99 is not an emergency = service. Since the management policy of the emergency service is = =E2=80=9Cexpert review=E2=80=9D, the barrier to adding new, possibly = experimental services is low, and the consequences of having services = that are not eventually deployed persisting in the registry is minimal. = The URN was not intended to have a generic X- service or equivalent, = which is what this registration attempts to do. New services, even = experimental services, should register the service with IANA following = the normal procedure. Therefore, I recommend that we deny this request and suggest that the = specific services be registered with IANA as they are deployed. This = decision has been reviewed with the ecrit working group. Brian > On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Az Mankin wrote: >=20 > ECRIT Working Group, >=20 > We need a volunteer for the following IANA Expert Review request that = Amanda Baber of IANA just sent to Roger and me. It needs to be written = and sent to the mailing list, per the IESG's appointment of the WG as = the Expert Reviewer = (http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid-labels/urn-serviceid-labels= .xhtml = ). Amanda's message is under the line. Who'd like to step up for = this? >=20 > Thanks! from your Chairs > ---------------- >=20 >=20 > The IANA Services Operator has received a request for registration in = the 'sos' Sub-Services registry in the Service URN Labels group. This = request comes from Frederic Firmin of ETSI. >=20 > According to RFC 7163, registration in 'sos' Sub-Services requires = expert review as designated by the ECRIT working group or its successor = (or, in their absence, the IESG). Can you send this request for review? >=20 > The IESG has asked that expert reviews be completed within two weeks, = if possible. >=20 > See below. >=20 > thanks, >=20 > Amanda Baber > Lead IANA Services Specialist > PTI >=20 > =3D=3D=3D >=20 > Contact Name: > Frederic Firmin >=20 > Contact Email: > frederic.firmin@etsi.org >=20 > Type of Assignment: > sub-service URN >=20 > Registry: > Service URN Labels registry with the "sos" URN Service Labels = subregistry. >=20 > Description: > This sub-service type is used before an appropriate sub-service type = is registered with IANA for a specific emergency service. This = sub-service type is not used where an appropriate sub-service type has = been registered with IANA for the specific emergency service. > The next level of sub-services indicates the country where the = specific emergency service is used. Subtypes below this are defined by = national regulation of that country and are not registered with IANA. >=20 >=20 > Additional Info: > The following service URN is proposed to be registered: > urn:service:sos.country-specific >=20 > reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available at = http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zip = = (cf subclause 7.11.1) >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit --Apple-Mail=_9D31F1E3-302F-4413-A7D7-7D2ACC143AF7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I am the expert reviewer designated by the ecrit working = group for this request.

I believe this request is not consistent with the words and = the intent of the registry.  =E2=80=9Ccountry-specific=E2=80=99 is = not an emergency service.  Since the management policy of the = emergency service is =E2=80=9Cexpert review=E2=80=9D, the barrier to = adding new, possibly experimental services is low, and the consequences = of having services that are not eventually deployed persisting in the = registry is minimal.  The URN was not intended to have a generic X- = service or equivalent, which is what this registration attempts to do. =  New services, even experimental services, should register the = service with IANA following the normal procedure.
Therefore, I recommend that we deny = this request and suggest that the specific services be registered with = IANA as they are deployed.  This decision has been reviewed with = the ecrit working group.

Brian

On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Az = Mankin <azmankin@gmail.com> wrote:

ECRIT Working = Group,

We need a volunteer for the = following IANA Expert Review request that Amanda Baber of IANA just sent = to Roger and me.  It needs to be written and sent to the mailing = list, per the IESG's appointment of the WG as the Expert Reviewer (http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid-labels/urn-servic= eid-labels.xhtml).  Amanda's message is under the line. Who'd = like to step up for this?

Thanks! = from your Chairs
----------------


The IANA Services Operator has received a request for = registration in=20 the 'sos' Sub-Services registry in the Service URN Labels group. This=20 request comes from Frederic Firmin of ETSI.

According to RFC 7163, registration in 'sos' Sub-Services requires=20 expert review as designated by the ECRIT working group or its successor=20= (or, in their absence, the IESG). Can you send this request for = review?

The IESG has asked that expert reviews be completed within two weeks, if = possible.

See below.

thanks,

Amanda Baber
Lead IANA Services Specialist
PTI

=3D=3D=3D

Contact Name:
Frederic Firmin

Contact Email:
frederic.firmin@etsi.org

Type of Assignment:
sub-service URN

Registry:
Service URN Labels registry with the "sos" URN Service Labels = subregistry.

Description:
This sub-service type is used before an appropriate sub-service type is=20= registered with IANA for a specific emergency service. This sub-service=20= type is not used where an appropriate sub-service type has been=20 registered with IANA for the specific emergency service.
The next level of sub-services indicates the country where the specific=20= emergency service is used. Subtypes below this are defined by national=20= regulation of that country and are not registered with IANA.


Additional Info:
The following service URN is proposed to be registered:
urn:service:sos.country-specific

reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available at http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zip = (cf subclause 7.11.1)


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= --Apple-Mail=_9D31F1E3-302F-4413-A7D7-7D2ACC143AF7-- From nobody Mon Nov 14 17:41:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietf.org Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B5D129662; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:41:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.37.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <147917411202.8513.12873092667040495872.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:41:52 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: ecrit@ietf.org Subject: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-20.txt X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 01:41:52 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies of the IETF. Title : Next-Generation Pan-European eCall Authors : Randall Gellens Hannes Tschofenig Filename : draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-20.txt Pages : 45 Date : 2016-11-14 Abstract: This document describes how to use IP-based emergency services mechanisms to support the next generation of the pan European in- vehicle emergency call service defined under the eSafety initiative of the European Commission (generally referred to as "eCall"). eCall is a standardized and mandated system for a special form of emergency calls placed by vehicles, providing real-time communications and an integrated set of related data. This document also registers MIME media types and an Emergency Call Additional Data Block for the eCall vehicle data and metadata/control data, and an INFO package to enable carrying this data in INFO requests. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-20 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall-20 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Nov 14 17:42:22 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietf.org Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B5A129683; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:42:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.37.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <147917413672.8581.12239951375420118584.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:42:16 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: ecrit@ietf.org Subject: [Ecrit] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ecrit-car-crash-19.txt X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 01:42:17 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies of the IETF. Title : Next-Generation Vehicle-Initiated Emergency Calls Authors : Randall Gellens Brian Rosen Hannes Tschofenig Filename : draft-ietf-ecrit-car-crash-19.txt Pages : 43 Date : 2016-11-14 Abstract: This document describes how to use IP-based emergency services mechanisms to support the next generation of emergency calls placed by vehicles (automatically in the event of a crash or serious incident, or manually invoked by a vehicle occupant) and conveying vehicle, sensor, and location data related to the crash or incident. Such calls are often referred to as "Automatic Crash Notification" (ACN), or "Advanced Automatic Crash Notification" (AACN), even in the case of manual trigger. The "Advanced" qualifier refers to the ability to carry a richer set of data. This document also registers a MIME media type and Emergency Call Additional Data Block for the vehicle, sensor, and location data (often referred to as "crash data" even though there is not necessarily a crash) and an INFO package to enable carrying this and related data in INFO requests. An external specification for the data format, contents, and structure are referenced in this document. This document reuses the technical aspects of next-generation pan- European eCall (a mandated and standardized system for emergency calls by in-vehicle systems within Europe and other regions). However, this document specifies a different set of vehicle (crash) data, specifically, the Vehicle Emergency Data Set (VEDS) rather than the eCall Minimum Set of Data (MSD). This document is an extension of the eCall document, with the primary differences being that this document makes the MSD data set optional and VEDS mandatory, and adds attribute values to the metadata/control object to permit greater functionality. This document registers a new INFO package (identical to that registered for eCall but with the addition of the VEDS MIME type). This document also describes legacy (circuit-switched) ACN systems and their migration to next-generation emergency calling, to provide background information and context. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ecrit-car-crash/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ecrit-car-crash-19 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ecrit-car-crash-19 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <8884ECE4A644804B8708F8F8CD1AD52A@eurprd07.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Randall, I identified a technical problem ("attach X to SIP message" is not defined)= during WGLC. You did not solve the technical problem during WGLC. Paul's mail from 1st Nov somehow confirms that there can be different inter= pretations and something needs to be done ("It needs to be defined in detai= l for each case."). I proposed a possible solution in the updated draft. You do not like the solution but have not proposed any other solution till = now. The technical problem is still unresolved. I think I have done my duty and it is time for chairs to settle what to do. Now in details to your answers: > > 1) rfc7852 defines "conveying" of data (not "attaching" data): > > ------------------- > > When an emergency call is sent to a Public Safety Answering Point > > (PSAP), the originating device, the access network provider to whic= h > > the device is connected, and all service providers in the path of t= he > > call have information about the call, the caller, or the location, > > which is helpful for the PSAP to have in handling the emergency. > > This document describes data structures and mechanisms to **convey = such > > data** to the PSAP. The intent is that every emergency call carry = as > > much of the information described here as possible using the > > mechanisms described here. > > > > The mechanisms permit the data to be **conveyed** by reference (as = an > > external resource) or by value (within the body of a SIP message or= a > > location object). This follows the tradition of prior emergency > > services standardization work where data can be conveyed by value > > within the call signaling (i.e., in the body of the SIP message) or > > by reference. > > ------------------- > > so I use "convey" when introducing rfc7852 in eCall draft. > > RFC 7852 discusses equally sending data with the call and sending a refer= ence > to data that is available externally, hence the use of the neutral term > "conveyance." I think using "conveyance" in the eCall draft would be les= s > well understood by the average reader than using "attach." The term "att= ach" > seems pretty generally well understood, and the current language in the d= raft > makes it very clear exactly what steps are performed. "attach X to SIP message" is NOT defined anywhere and thus the standard is = NOT clear. The nearest interpretation of "attach X to SIP message" is "include a body = part containing X with Content-Disposition: attachment in SIP message", whi= ch does not work with the draft. > > Moreover, given that rfc7852 does not use "attach" data, eCall draft > > should be able to live without "attach" data too. > > > > 2) I *think* the intention of "attach" in the draft is to refer to > > "block transmitted by value" as described in rfc7852 section 6.1 the > > last paragraph 1st sentence: > > ------------------- > > When blocks are transmitted by value, the 'purpose' parameter in a > > Call-Info header field identifies the data, and the CID URL points = to > > the data block in the body (which has a matching Content-ID body pa= rt > > header field). > > ------------------- > > So I use "block transmitted by value" everywhere in eCall draft with > > exception identified in 3) below. > > That seems more confusing to use in the eCall draft, since eCall data is = not > transmitted by reference. "block transmitted by value" is defined in rfc7852. How can it be confusing= to use that term together with referencing rfc7852??? "attach X to SIP message" is NOT defined anywhere. Can usage of a defined term be more confusing than usage of an undefined te= rm??? 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--_000_AM5PR0701MB2468642C8DB417935FD4DE8FE5BE0AM5PR0701MB2468_-- From nobody Tue Nov 15 17:25:15 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7032129431 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 17:25:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2_2pgRxZrWsj for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 17:25:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from email.salsgiver.com (email.salsgiver.com [206.67.234.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA869129405 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 17:25:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.96.8.226] ([156.154.81.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by email.salsgiver.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPA id uAG1P0GF014584; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:25:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from br@salsgiver.com) X-Authentication-Warning: email.salsgiver.com: Host [156.154.81.54] claimed to be [10.96.8.226] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B1C241B2-B799-4BAF-8C20-C10BB5C02ED8" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Brian Rosen In-Reply-To: <8e9f6d731099499ca529eecb8236f4ce@HE105828.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:25:00 +0900 Message-Id: References: <6337FF74-A230-42C9-989A-AA7A9EC07277@salsgiver.com> <8e9f6d731099499ca529eecb8236f4ce@HE105828.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> To: R.Jesske@telekom.de X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: ECRIT Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Expert Reviewer's response to request to register 'country-specific' in 'sos' Subservice Registry in the Service URN Labels group X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 01:25:14 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_B1C241B2-B799-4BAF-8C20-C10BB5C02ED8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 The URN is an address for routing, and not a user visible label. = Creating new entries is simple and fast. So we request that new entries = be created for different services. One simple approach is to create a =E2=80=9CmunicipalPolice=E2=80=9D = urn, and use urn:service:sos.municipal.police for 986 and = urn:service:sos.police for 997 in Poland. Then any country that uses municipal police can use the same URN. Actually, the problem of multiple police forces occurred in NENA, the = North American emergency services group. For internal routing purposes, = we created a urn:nena::responder.police entry with sub registry for the = various types of police. I would be very willing to do the work to = create a similar sub registry for urn:service:sos.police, which would = allow urn:service:sos.police.municipal because many countries have = multiple police forces that can be reached at different emergency = numbers. The sub registry could have =E2=80=9Cstate=E2=80=9D, = =E2=80=9Cprovincial=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cfederal=E2=80=9D, and other = entries. I also note that the registration says =E2=80=9CThis sub-service type is = used before an appropriate sub-service type is registered with IANA for = a specific emergency service.=E2=80=9D Emphasis added. This explicitly = says that this use is temporary and will be replaced with a =E2=80=9Creal=E2= =80=9D registration at some time. Since registration is easy and fast, = there is no need for a temporary work around to actual registration. Brian > On Nov 16, 2016, at 10:07 AM, R.Jesske@telekom.de wrote: >=20 > Hi Brian, > the aimed registration is for 3GPP networks only and not to be = intended to be used everywhere. > =20 > So from my understanding there are a many of existing specific = emergency services out in the world which need the equivalent within the = 3GPP IMS world. > =20 > An example is Poland: > Please see = http://uke.gov.pl/tablice-numerow-kierowania-alarmowego-nka-9410 = which = lists the number 986 for "stra=C5=BC miejska" (=3D municipal police) and = the number 997 for Policja (=3D police) as "numery alarmowe" (=3D = emergency numbers). > Which cannot use the normal sos urn. > =20 > 3GPP had the requirement to specify this for the 3GPP IMS world. And = the easiest way was to have such an mechanism. > Since this is only used for the 3GPP IMS world, 3GPP would like to = have a mechanism to allow these specific suptypes. > =20 > So what could be done to get such an solution where IETF can agree = upon? > =20 > Best Regards > =20 > Roland > =20 > Von: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org = ] Im Auftrag von Brian Rosen > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. November 2016 15:54 > An: iana@iana.org > Cc: ECRIT > Betreff: [Ecrit] Expert Reviewer's response to request to register = 'country-specific' in 'sos' Subservice Registry in the Service URN = Labels group > =20 > I am the expert reviewer designated by the ecrit working group for = this request. > =20 > I believe this request is not consistent with the words and the intent = of the registry. =E2=80=9Ccountry-specific=E2=80=99 is not an emergency = service. Since the management policy of the emergency service is = =E2=80=9Cexpert review=E2=80=9D, the barrier to adding new, possibly = experimental services is low, and the consequences of having services = that are not eventually deployed persisting in the registry is minimal. = The URN was not intended to have a generic X- service or equivalent, = which is what this registration attempts to do. New services, even = experimental services, should register the service with IANA following = the normal procedure. > =20 > Therefore, I recommend that we deny this request and suggest that the = specific services be registered with IANA as they are deployed. This = decision has been reviewed with the ecrit working group. > =20 > Brian > =20 > On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Az Mankin > wrote: > =20 > ECRIT Working Group, >=20 > We need a volunteer for the following IANA Expert Review request that = Amanda Baber of IANA just sent to Roger and me. It needs to be written = and sent to the mailing list, per the IESG's appointment of the WG as = the Expert Reviewer = (http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid-labels/urn-serviceid-labels= .xhtml = ). Amanda's message is under the line. Who'd like to step up for = this? >=20 > Thanks! from your Chairs > ---------------- > =20 >=20 > The IANA Services Operator has received a request for registration in = the 'sos' Sub-Services registry in the Service URN Labels group. This = request comes from Frederic Firmin of ETSI. >=20 > According to RFC 7163, registration in 'sos' Sub-Services requires = expert review as designated by the ECRIT working group or its successor = (or, in their absence, the IESG). Can you send this request for review? >=20 > The IESG has asked that expert reviews be completed within two weeks, = if possible. >=20 > See below. >=20 > thanks, >=20 > Amanda Baber > Lead IANA Services Specialist > PTI >=20 > =3D=3D=3D >=20 > Contact Name: > Frederic Firmin >=20 > Contact Email: > frederic.firmin@etsi.org >=20 > Type of Assignment: > sub-service URN >=20 > Registry: > Service URN Labels registry with the "sos" URN Service Labels = subregistry. >=20 > Description: > This sub-service type is used before an appropriate sub-service type = is registered with IANA for a specific emergency service. This = sub-service type is not used where an appropriate sub-service type has = been registered with IANA for the specific emergency service. > The next level of sub-services indicates the country where the = specific emergency service is used. Subtypes below this are defined by = national regulation of that country and are not registered with IANA. >=20 >=20 > Additional Info: > The following service URN is proposed to be registered: > urn:service:sos.country-specific >=20 > reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available at = http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zip = = (cf subclause 7.11.1) >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit = > =20 > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit = --Apple-Mail=_B1C241B2-B799-4BAF-8C20-C10BB5C02ED8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <leaving off IANA for now>
The URN is an = address for routing, and not a user visible label. Creating new entries = is simple and fast.  So we request that new entries be created for = different services.

One simple approach is to create a =E2=80=9CmunicipalPolice=E2=80= =9D urn, and use urn:service:sos.municipal.police for 986 and = urn:service:sos.police for 997 in Poland.

Then any country that uses municipal = police can use the same URN.

Actually, the problem of multiple = police forces occurred in NENA, the North American emergency services = group.  For internal routing purposes, we created a = urn:nena::responder.police entry with sub registry for the various types = of police.  I would be very willing to do the work to create a = similar sub registry for urn:service:sos.police, which would allow = urn:service:sos.police.municipal because many countries have multiple = police forces that can be reached at different emergency numbers. =  The sub registry could have =E2=80=9Cstate=E2=80=9D, = =E2=80=9Cprovincial=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cfederal=E2=80=9D, and other = entries.

I = also note that the registration says =E2=80=9CThis sub-service = type is used before an appropriate sub-service type is = registered with IANA for a specific = emergency service.=E2=80=9D  Emphasis added.  This = explicitly says that this use is temporary and will be replaced with a = =E2=80=9Creal=E2=80=9D registration at some time.  Since = registration is easy and fast, there is no need for a temporary work = around to actual registration.

Brian

On = Nov 16, 2016, at 10:07 AM, R.Jesske@telekom.de wrote:

Hi Brian,
the aimed registration = is for 3GPP networks only and not to be intended to be used = everywhere.
 
So from my = understanding there are a many of existing specific emergency services = out in the world which need the equivalent within the 3GPP IMS = world.
 
An example is = Poland:
Please = see http://uke.gov.pl/tablice-numerow-kierowania-alarmowego-nka-941= 0 which lists the = number 986 for "stra=C5=BC miejska" (=3D municipal police) and the = number 997 for Policja (=3D police) as "numery alarmowe" (=3D emergency = numbers).
Which cannot = use the normal sos urn.
 
3GPP had the requirement to specify this for the 3GPP IMS = world. And the easiest way was to have such an mechanism.
Since this is only used = for the 3GPP IMS world, 3GPP would like to have a mechanism to allow = these  specific suptypes.
 
So = what could be done to get such an solution where IETF can agree = upon?
 
Best = Regards
 
Roland
 
Von: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag = von Brian Rosen
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. November = 2016 15:54
An: iana@iana.org
Cc: ECRIT
Betreff: [Ecrit] Expert Reviewer's = response to request to register 'country-specific' in 'sos' Subservice = Registry in the Service URN Labels group
 
I am the expert reviewer designated by the ecrit working = group for this request.
 
I believe this request is not consistent with the = words and the intent of the registry.  =E2=80=9Ccountry-specific=E2=80= =99 is not an emergency service.  Since the management policy of = the emergency service is =E2=80=9Cexpert review=E2=80=9D, the barrier to = adding new, possibly experimental services is low, and the consequences = of having services that are not eventually deployed persisting in the = registry is minimal.  The URN was not intended to have a generic X- = service or equivalent, which is what this registration attempts to do. =  New services, even experimental services, should register the = service with IANA following the normal procedure.
 
Therefore, I recommend that we deny this = request and suggest that the specific services be registered with IANA = as they are deployed.  This decision has been reviewed with the = ecrit working group.
 
Brian
 
On Nov 3, 2016, at = 3:59 PM, Az Mankin <azmankin@gmail.com> wrote:
 

ECRIT Working Group,

We need a volunteer for the = following IANA Expert Review request that Amanda Baber of IANA just sent = to Roger and me.  It needs to be written and sent to the mailing = list, per the IESG's appointment of the WG as the Expert Reviewer (http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid-labels/urn-servic= eid-labels.xhtml).  Amanda's message is under the line. Who'd = like to step up for this?

Thanks!  from your Chairs
----------------

 

The IANA Services Operator has received a request for = registration in the 'sos' Sub-Services registry in the Service URN = Labels group. This request comes from Frederic Firmin of ETSI.

According to RFC 7163, registration in 'sos' = Sub-Services requires expert review as designated by the ECRIT working = group or its successor (or, in their absence, the IESG). Can you send = this request for review?

The IESG has asked = that expert reviews be completed within two weeks, if possible.

See below.

thanks,

Amanda Baber
Lead IANA Services Specialist
PTI

=3D=3D=3D

Contact = Name:
Frederic Firmin

Contact = Email:
frederic.firmin@etsi.org

Type = of Assignment:
sub-service URN

Registry:
Service URN Labels registry with the = "sos" URN Service Labels subregistry.

Description:
This sub-service type is used = before an appropriate sub-service type is registered with IANA for a = specific emergency service. This sub-service type is not used where an = appropriate sub-service type has been registered with IANA for the = specific emergency service.
The next level of sub-services = indicates the country where the specific emergency service is used. = Subtypes below this are defined by national regulation of that country = and are not registered with IANA.


Additional Info:
The following service URN is = proposed to be registered:
urn:service:sos.country-specific

reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available at http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce= 0.zip (cf = subclause 7.11.1)

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"iana@iana.org" , "ecrit@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Expert Reviewer's response to request to register 'country-specific' in 'sos' Subservice Registry in the Service URN Labels group X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 01:43:42 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_72AA206B-77EE-4140-8B85-2BB8E4F6587D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Ivo, I apologize for not making sure this request was not ultimately = concluded satisfactorily. I would like to ask the work group for advice for police, and I will do = the work to make registrations simple. We can use the =E2=80=9Ca=E2=80=9D levels, or we can create a sub = registry for .police. Either requires a standards track document to = create a sub registry. Alternatively, we could just allow a period in a = name and register =E2=80=9Cpolice.municipal=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cpolice.a2= =E2=80=9D as top level registrations in a registration. Let=E2=80=99s first decide which way: .police.a2 or .police.municipal The former is more regular and handles political subdivision easily. = However, there are police forces which don=E2=80=99t fit this pattern. = US has =E2=80=9CFederal Marshals=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CFBI=E2=80=9D and = =E2=80=9CSecret Service=E2=80=9D although some of them don=E2=80=99t = have emergency numbers. My suggestion is to create the sub registry for police, have the =E2=80=9C= a=E2=80=9D levels as initial values, and allow additional values to be = added with expert review. I am not aware of similar issues with fire or emergency medical. There = are many countries which have multiple medical services but AFAIK only = one emergency number that is used for emergency medical. If there are = some isolated instances, I=E2=80=99d allow a random sub service = (urn:service:sos.medical.mountain) registration. I do think that if we don=E2=80=99t allow =E2=80=9Ccountry-specific=E2=80=9D= then we are obligated to make handling these kinds of requests = straightforward. Brian > On Nov 16, 2016, at 10:17 AM, Ivo Sedlacek = wrote: >=20 > Hello, > =20 > > Since the management policy of the emergency service is =E2=80=9Cexper= t review=E2=80=9D, the barrier to adding new, possibly experimental = services is low, > > and the consequences of having services that are not eventually = deployed persisting in the registry is minimal. =20 > =20 > I tried to register emergency URNs > - for emergency service of municipal police; and > - for emergency service of national police > (both of which are used in Czech republic) with IANA in = https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ecrit/current/msg08419.html = > =20 > The registration was rejected .... > =20 > So, I disagree that barrieer is low. > =20 > Kind regards > =20 > Ivo Sedlacek > =20 > From: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org = ] On Behalf Of R.Jesske@telekom.de = > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 5:08 PM > To: br@salsgiver.com ; iana@iana.org = > Cc: ecrit@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Expert Reviewer's response to request to register = 'country-specific' in 'sos' Subservice Registry in the Service URN = Labels group > =20 > Hi Brian, > the aimed registration is for 3GPP networks only and not to be = intended to be used everywhere. > =20 > So from my understanding there are a many of existing specific = emergency services out in the world which need the equivalent within the = 3GPP IMS world. > =20 > An example is Poland: > Please see = http://uke.gov.pl/tablice-numerow-kierowania-alarmowego-nka-9410 = which = lists the number 986 for "stra=C5=BC miejska" (=3D municipal police) and = the number 997 for Policja (=3D police) as "numery alarmowe" (=3D = emergency numbers). > Which cannot use the normal sos urn. > =20 > 3GPP had the requirement to specify this for the 3GPP IMS world. And = the easiest way was to have such an mechanism. > Since this is only used for the 3GPP IMS world, 3GPP would like to = have a mechanism to allow these specific suptypes. > =20 > So what could be done to get such an solution where IETF can agree = upon? > =20 > Best Regards > =20 > Roland > =20 > Von: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org = ] Im Auftrag von Brian Rosen > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. November 2016 15:54 > An: iana@iana.org > Cc: ECRIT > Betreff: [Ecrit] Expert Reviewer's response to request to register = 'country-specific' in 'sos' Subservice Registry in the Service URN = Labels group > =20 > I am the expert reviewer designated by the ecrit working group for = this request. > =20 > I believe this request is not consistent with the words and the intent = of the registry. =E2=80=9Ccountry-specific=E2=80=99 is not an emergency = service. Since the management policy of the emergency service is = =E2=80=9Cexpert review=E2=80=9D, the barrier to adding new, possibly = experimental services is low, and the consequences of having services = that are not eventually deployed persisting in the registry is minimal. = The URN was not intended to have a generic X- service or equivalent, = which is what this registration attempts to do. New services, even = experimental services, should register the service with IANA following = the normal procedure. > =20 > Therefore, I recommend that we deny this request and suggest that the = specific services be registered with IANA as they are deployed. This = decision has been reviewed with the ecrit working group. > =20 > Brian > =20 > On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Az Mankin > wrote: > =20 > ECRIT Working Group, >=20 > We need a volunteer for the following IANA Expert Review request that = Amanda Baber of IANA just sent to Roger and me. It needs to be written = and sent to the mailing list, per the IESG's appointment of the WG as = the Expert Reviewer = (http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid-labels/urn-serviceid-labels= .xhtml = ). Amanda's message is under the line. Who'd like to step up for = this? >=20 > Thanks! from your Chairs > ---------------- > =20 >=20 > The IANA Services Operator has received a request for registration in = the 'sos' Sub-Services registry in the Service URN Labels group. This = request comes from Frederic Firmin of ETSI. >=20 > According to RFC 7163, registration in 'sos' Sub-Services requires = expert review as designated by the ECRIT working group or its successor = (or, in their absence, the IESG). Can you send this request for review? >=20 > The IESG has asked that expert reviews be completed within two weeks, = if possible. >=20 > See below. >=20 > thanks, >=20 > Amanda Baber > Lead IANA Services Specialist > PTI >=20 > =3D=3D=3D >=20 > Contact Name: > Frederic Firmin >=20 > Contact Email: > frederic.firmin@etsi.org >=20 > Type of Assignment: > sub-service URN >=20 > Registry: > Service URN Labels registry with the "sos" URN Service Labels = subregistry. >=20 > Description: > This sub-service type is used before an appropriate sub-service type = is registered with IANA for a specific emergency service. This = sub-service type is not used where an appropriate sub-service type has = been registered with IANA for the specific emergency service. > The next level of sub-services indicates the country where the = specific emergency service is used. Subtypes below this are defined by = national regulation of that country and are not registered with IANA. >=20 >=20 > Additional Info: > The following service URN is proposed to be registered: > urn:service:sos.country-specific >=20 > reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available at = http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zip = = (cf subclause 7.11.1) >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit = --Apple-Mail=_72AA206B-77EE-4140-8B85-2BB8E4F6587D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Ivo, I apologize for not making sure this request was not = ultimately concluded satisfactorily.

I would like to ask the work group for = advice for police, and I will do the work to make registrations = simple.

We can = use the =E2=80=9Ca=E2=80=9D levels, or we can create a sub registry for = .police.  Either requires a standards track document to create a = sub registry.  Alternatively, we could just allow a period in a = name and register =E2=80=9Cpolice.municipal=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cpolice.a2= =E2=80=9D as top level registrations in a registration.

Let=E2=80=99s first = decide which way: .police.a2 or .police.municipal
The  former is more regular and = handles political subdivision easily.  However, there are police = forces which don=E2=80=99t fit this pattern.  US has =E2=80=9CFederal= Marshals=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CFBI=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CSecret = Service=E2=80=9D although some of them don=E2=80=99t have emergency = numbers.

My = suggestion is to create the sub registry for police, have the =E2=80=9Ca=E2= =80=9D levels as initial values, and allow additional values to be added = with expert review.

I am not aware of similar issues with fire or emergency = medical.  There are many countries which have multiple medical = services but AFAIK only one emergency number that is used for emergency = medical.  If there are some isolated instances, I=E2=80=99d allow a = random sub service (urn:service:sos.medical.mountain) = registration.

I = do think that if we don=E2=80=99t allow =E2=80=9Ccountry-specific=E2=80=9D= then we are obligated to make handling these kinds of requests = straightforward.

Brian


On Nov 16, 2016, at 10:17 AM, = Ivo Sedlacek <ivo.sedlacek@ericsson.com> wrote:

Hello,
 
> Since the management policy of the emergency service is = =E2=80=9Cexpert review=E2=80=9D, the barrier to adding new, possibly = experimental services is low,
> and the = consequences of having services that are not eventually deployed = persisting in the registry is minimal.  
 
I = tried to register emergency URNs
- for emergency service of municipal police; and
- for emergency service = of national police
(both of which are used in Czech republic) with IANA in https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ecrit/current/msg08419.ht= ml
 
The = registration was rejected ....
 
So, = I disagree that barrieer is low.
 
Kind= regards
 
Ivo = Sedlacek
 
From: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of R.Jesske@telekom.de
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 = 5:08 PM
To: br@salsgiver.com; iana@iana.org
Cc: ecrit@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Expert = Reviewer's response to request to register 'country-specific' in 'sos' = Subservice Registry in the Service URN Labels group
 
Hi Brian,
the aimed registration = is for 3GPP networks only and not to be intended to be used = everywhere.
 
So from my = understanding there are a many of existing specific emergency services = out in the world which need the equivalent within the 3GPP IMS = world.
 
An example is = Poland:
Please = see http://uke.gov.pl/tablice-numerow-kierowania-alarmowego-nka-941= 0 which lists the = number 986 for "stra=C5=BC miejska" (=3D municipal police) and the = number 997 for Policja (=3D police) as "numery alarmowe" (=3D emergency = numbers).
Which cannot = use the normal sos urn.
 
3GPP had the requirement to specify this for the 3GPP IMS = world. And the easiest way was to have such an mechanism.
Since this is only used = for the 3GPP IMS world, 3GPP would like to have a mechanism to allow = these  specific suptypes.
 
So = what could be done to get such an solution where IETF can agree = upon?
 
Best = Regards
 
Roland
 
Von: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag = von Brian Rosen
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. November = 2016 15:54
An: iana@iana.org
Cc: ECRIT
Betreff: [Ecrit] Expert Reviewer's = response to request to register 'country-specific' in 'sos' Subservice = Registry in the Service URN Labels group
 
I am the expert reviewer = designated by the ecrit working group for this request.
 
I believe = this request is not consistent with the words and the intent of the = registry.  =E2=80=9Ccountry-specific=E2=80=99 is not an emergency = service.  Since the management policy of the emergency service is = =E2=80=9Cexpert review=E2=80=9D, the barrier to adding new, possibly = experimental services is low, and the consequences of having services = that are not eventually deployed persisting in the registry is minimal. =  The URN was not intended to have a generic X- service or = equivalent, which is what this registration attempts to do.  New = services, even experimental services, should register the service with = IANA following the normal procedure.
 
Therefore, I = recommend that we deny this request and suggest that the specific = services be registered with IANA as they are deployed.  This = decision has been reviewed with the ecrit working group.
 
Brian
 
On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Az Mankin <azmankin@gmail.com> = wrote:
 

ECRIT Working Group,

We need a volunteer for the = following IANA Expert Review request that Amanda Baber of IANA just sent = to Roger and me.  It needs to be written and sent to the mailing = list, per the IESG's appointment of the WG as the Expert Reviewer (http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid-labels/urn-servic= eid-labels.xhtml).  Amanda's message is under the line. Who'd = like to step up for this?

Thanks!  = from your Chairs
----------------

 

The IANA Services Operator = has received a request for registration in the 'sos' Sub-Services = registry in the Service URN Labels group. This request comes from = Frederic Firmin of ETSI.

According to RFC = 7163, registration in 'sos' Sub-Services requires expert review as = designated by the ECRIT working group or its successor (or, in their = absence, the IESG). Can you send this request for review?

The IESG has asked that expert reviews be = completed within two weeks, if possible.

See = below.

thanks,

Amanda Baber
Lead IANA Services Specialist
PTI

=3D=3D=3D

Contact Name:
Frederic Firmin

Contact Email:
frederic.firmin@etsi.org

Type of Assignment:
sub-service = URN

Registry:
Service URN = Labels registry with the "sos" URN Service Labels subregistry.

Description:
This sub-service = type is used before an appropriate sub-service type is registered with = IANA for a specific emergency service. This sub-service type is not used = where an appropriate sub-service type has been registered with IANA for = the specific emergency service.
The next level of = sub-services indicates the country where the specific emergency service = is used. Subtypes below this are defined by national regulation of that = country and are not registered with IANA.

Additional Info:
The following service URN is = proposed to be registered:
urn:service:sos.country-specific

reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available at http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce= 0.zip (cf = subclause 7.11.1)

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= --Apple-Mail=_72AA206B-77EE-4140-8B85-2BB8E4F6587D-- From nobody Tue Nov 15 22:06:49 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5914612969B for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 22:06:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.677 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.677 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1RRsnV6KF_9b for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 22:06:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp01.icann.org (smtp01.icann.org [192.0.46.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AD6D129461 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 22:06:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from request3.lax.icann.org (request1.lax.icann.org [10.32.11.221]) by smtp01.icann.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71458E0E41 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 06:06:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by request3.lax.icann.org (Postfix, from userid 48) id 342ABC204D5; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 06:06:45 +0000 (UTC) RT-Owner: Nobody From: "Amanda Baber via RT" In-Reply-To: <003EC069-30F6-4874-9CF1-6BB2110A3841@salsgiver.com> References: <6337FF74-A230-42C9-989A-AA7A9EC07277@salsgiver.com> <8e9f6d731099499ca529eecb8236f4ce@HE105828.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <003EC069-30F6-4874-9CF1-6BB2110A3841@salsgiver.com> Message-ID: X-RT-Loop-Prevention: IANA X-RT-Ticket: IANA #937364 X-Managed-BY: RT 4.2.9 (http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/) X-RT-Originator: amanda.baber@icann.org CC: ecrit@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-RT-Original-Encoding: utf-8 Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 06:06:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [Ecrit] [IANA #937364] AW: Expert Reviewer's response to request to register 'country-specific' in 'sos' Subservice Registry in the Service URN Labels group X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: iana-questions@iana.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 06:06:48 -0000 Hi all, Because we have no way to gauge consensus ourselves, and because each message is generating a new ticket, we would suggest removing iana@iana.org asking the designated expert to contact us when/if the registration(s) have been approved. We understand that Brian has been designated as the expert. Best regards, Amanda Baber Lead IANA Services Specialist PTI On Wed Nov 16 01:43:40 2016, br@salsgiver.com wrote: > Ivo, I apologize for not making sure this request was not ultimately > concluded satisfactorily. > > I would like to ask the work group for advice for police, and I will > do the work to make registrations simple. > > We can use the “a†levels, or we can create a sub registry for > .police. Either requires a standards track document to create a sub > registry. Alternatively, we could just allow a period in a name and > register “police.municipal†or “police.a2†as top level registrations > in a registration. > > Let’s first decide which way: .police.a2 or .police.municipal > > The former is more regular and handles political subdivision easily. > However, there are police forces which don’t fit this pattern. US has > “Federal Marshals†and “FBI†and “Secret Service†although some of > them don’t have emergency numbers. > > My suggestion is to create the sub registry for police, have the “a†> levels as initial values, and allow additional values to be added with > expert review. > > I am not aware of similar issues with fire or emergency medical. > There are many countries which have multiple medical services but > AFAIK only one emergency number that is used for emergency medical. > If there are some isolated instances, I’d allow a random sub service > (urn:service:sos.medical.mountain) registration. > > I do think that if we don’t allow “country-specific†then we are > obligated to make handling these kinds of requests straightforward. > > Brian > > > > On Nov 16, 2016, at 10:17 AM, Ivo Sedlacek > > wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > Since the management policy of the emergency service is “expert > > > reviewâ€, the barrier to adding new, possibly experimental services > > > is low, > > > and the consequences of having services that are not eventually > > > deployed persisting in the registry is minimal. > > > > I tried to register emergency URNs > > - for emergency service of municipal police; and > > - for emergency service of national police > > (both of which are used in Czech republic) with IANA in > > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ecrit/current/msg08419.html > > > > > > The registration was rejected .... > > > > So, I disagree that barrieer is low. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Ivo Sedlacek > > > > From: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org > bounces@ietf.org>] On Behalf Of R.Jesske@telekom.de > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 5:08 PM > > To: br@salsgiver.com ; iana@iana.org > > > > Cc: ecrit@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Expert Reviewer's response to request to > > register 'country-specific' in 'sos' Subservice Registry in the > > Service URN Labels group > > > > Hi Brian, > > the aimed registration is for 3GPP networks only and not to be > > intended to be used everywhere. > > > > So from my understanding there are a many of existing specific > > emergency services out in the world which need the equivalent within > > the 3GPP IMS world. > > > > An example is Poland: > > Please see http://uke.gov.pl/tablice-numerow-kierowania-alarmowego- > > nka-9410 > nka-9410> which lists the number 986 for "straż miejska" (= municipal > > police) and the number 997 for Policja (= police) as "numery > > alarmowe" (= emergency numbers). > > Which cannot use the normal sos urn. > > > > 3GPP had the requirement to specify this for the 3GPP IMS world. And > > the easiest way was to have such an mechanism. > > Since this is only used for the 3GPP IMS world, 3GPP would like to > > have a mechanism to allow these specific suptypes. > > > > So what could be done to get such an solution where IETF can agree > > upon? > > > > Best Regards > > > > Roland > > > > Von: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org > bounces@ietf.org>] Im Auftrag von Brian Rosen > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. November 2016 15:54 > > An: iana@iana.org > > Cc: ECRIT > > Betreff: [Ecrit] Expert Reviewer's response to request to register > > 'country-specific' in 'sos' Subservice Registry in the Service URN > > Labels group > > > > I am the expert reviewer designated by the ecrit working group for > > this request. > > > > I believe this request is not consistent with the words and the > > intent of the registry. “country-specific’ is not an emergency > > service. Since the management policy of the emergency service is > > “expert reviewâ€, the barrier to adding new, possibly experimental > > services is low, and the consequences of having services that are not > > eventually deployed persisting in the registry is minimal. The URN > > was not intended to have a generic X- service or equivalent, which is > > what this registration attempts to do. New services, even > > experimental services, should register the service with IANA > > following the normal procedure. > > > > Therefore, I recommend that we deny this request and suggest that the > > specific services be registered with IANA as they are deployed. This > > decision has been reviewed with the ecrit working group. > > > > Brian > > > > On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Az Mankin > > wrote: > > > > ECRIT Working Group, > > > > We need a volunteer for the following IANA Expert Review request that > > Amanda Baber of IANA just sent to Roger and me. It needs to be > > written and sent to the mailing list, per the IESG's appointment of > > the WG as the Expert Reviewer (http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn- > > serviceid-labels/urn-serviceid-labels.xhtml > > > labels.xhtml>). Amanda's message is under the line. Who'd like to > > step up for this? > > > > Thanks! from your Chairs > > ---------------- > > > > > > The IANA Services Operator has received a request for registration in > > the 'sos' Sub-Services registry in the Service URN Labels group. This > > request comes from Frederic Firmin of ETSI. > > > > According to RFC 7163, registration in 'sos' Sub-Services requires > > expert review as designated by the ECRIT working group or its > > successor (or, in their absence, the IESG). Can you send this request > > for review? > > > > The IESG has asked that expert reviews be completed within two weeks, > > if possible. > > > > See below. > > > > thanks, > > > > Amanda Baber > > Lead IANA Services Specialist > > PTI > > > > === > > > > Contact Name: > > Frederic Firmin > > > > Contact Email: > > frederic.firmin@etsi.org > > > > Type of Assignment: > > sub-service URN > > > > Registry: > > Service URN Labels registry with the "sos" URN Service Labels > > subregistry. > > > > Description: > > This sub-service type is used before an appropriate sub-service type > > is registered with IANA for a specific emergency service. This sub- > > service type is not used where an appropriate sub-service type has > > been registered with IANA for the specific emergency service. > > The next level of sub-services indicates the country where the > > specific emergency service is used. Subtypes below this are defined > > by national regulation of that country and are not registered with > > IANA. > > > > > > Additional Info: > > The following service URN is proposed to be registered: > > urn:service:sos.country-specific > > > > reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available at > > http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zip > > > ce0.zip> (cf subclause 7.11.1) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ecrit mailing list > > Ecrit@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > > From nobody Wed Nov 16 08:16:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5C812950D for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 08:16:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.92 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.92 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, 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(ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l8y6D0nJ-OlO for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 15:22:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from turing.pensive.org (turing.pensive.org [99.111.97.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB2B1295A8 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 15:22:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [99.111.97.136] (99.111.97.161) by turing.pensive.org with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9); Wed, 16 Nov 2016 15:22:25 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <6337FF74-A230-42C9-989A-AA7A9EC07277@salsgiver.com> <8e9f6d731099499ca529eecb8236f4ce@HE105828.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 15:22:21 -0800 To: Ivo Sedlacek , "R.Jesske@telekom.de" , "br@salsgiver.com" From: Randall Gellens Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 Archived-At: Cc: "ecrit@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Expert Reviewer's response to request to register 'country-specific' in 'sos' Subservice Registry in the Service URN Labels group X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 23:22:29 -0000 At 1:17 AM +0000 11/16/16, Ivo Sedlacek wrote: > I tried to register emergency URNs > - for emergency service of municipal police; and > - for emergency service of national police > (both of which are used in Czech republic) with IANA in > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ecrit/current/msg08419.html > > The registration was rejected .... > > So, I disagree that barrieer is low. Hi Ivo, That URL returns a 404 for me. Can you double check it and/or post a the rejection message or a summary of it? Thanks, --Randy -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- Political T.V. commercials prove one thing: some candidates can tell all their good points and qualifications in just 30 seconds. From nobody Wed Nov 16 15:41:20 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971751295BD for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 15:41:18 -0800 (PST) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER SECTION, Duplicate header field: "MIME-Version" X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.397 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.397 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d1HZd1bd9W7n for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 15:41:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from turing.pensive.org (turing.pensive.org [99.111.97.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3681295AF for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 15:41:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [99.111.97.136] (99.111.97.161) by turing.pensive.org with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9); Wed, 16 Nov 2016 15:41:14 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003EC069-30F6-4874-9CF1-6BB2110A3841@salsgiver.com> References: <6337FF74-A230-42C9-989A-AA7A9EC07277@salsgiver.com> <8e9f6d731099499ca529eecb8236f4ce@HE105828.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <003EC069-30F6-4874-9CF1-6BB2110A3841@salsgiver.com> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 15:41:12 -0800 To: Brian Rosen , Ivo Sedlacek From: Randall Gellens Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 Archived-At: Cc: "iana@iana.org" , "ecrit@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Expert Reviewer's response to request to register 'country-specific' in 'sos' Subservice Registry in the Service URN Labels group X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 23:41:18 -0000 At 10:43 AM +0900 11/16/16, Brian Rosen wrote: > Ivo, I apologize for not making sure this=20 > request was not ultimately concluded=20 > satisfactorily. > > I would like to ask the work group for advice=20 > for police, and I will do the work to make=20 > registrations simple. > > We can use the "a" levels, or we can create a=20 > sub registry for .police. Either requires a=20 > standards track document to create a sub=20 > registry. Alternatively, we could just allow a=20 > period in a name and register=20 > "police.municipal" or "police.a2" as top level=20 > registrations in a registration. Since a period is used now to delineate child=20 services, I don't think we can use a period in a=20 label for the pseudo sub-service. Creating a new=20 subregistry seems cleaner, and better fits with=20 the intent. That way, if a URN requests=20 "sos.police.municipal" (or "sos.police.FBI" or=20 "sos.police.DEA") in a region that doesn't have=20 that specific subservice, the call can be treated=20 as "sos.police" or just "sos". > Let's first decide which way: .police.a2 or .police.municipal > > The former is more regular and handles=20 > political subdivision easily. However, there=20 > are police forces which don't fit this pattern.=20 > US has "Federal Marshals" and "FBI" and=20 > "Secret Service" although some of them don't=20 > have emergency numbers. > > My suggestion is to create the sub registry for=20 > police, have the "a" levels as initial values,=20 > and allow additional values to be added with=20 > expert review. Since you've identified cases that don't fit well=20 into the "a" levels, as long as we don't expect a=20 large number of such police subservices to be=20 registered, I'd suggest using the descriptive=20 names instead. (E.g., "police.municipal",=20 "police.tourist", maybe "police.FBI" or=20 "police.DEA". > I am not aware of similar issues with fire or=20 > emergency medical. There are many countries=20 > which have multiple medical services but AFAIK=20 > only one emergency number that is used for=20 > emergency medical. If there are some isolated=20 > instances, I'd allow a random sub service=20 > (urn:service:sos.medical.mountain) registration. > > I do think that if we don't allow=20 > "country-specific" then we are obligated to=20 > make handling these kinds of requests=20 > straightforward. > > Brian > > >> On Nov 16, 2016, at 10:17 AM, Ivo Sedlacek=20 >> <ivo.sedlacek@ericsson.com>=20 >> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> > Since the management policy of the=20 >> emergency service is "expert review", the=20 >> barrier to adding new, possibly experimental=20 >> services is low, >> > and the consequences of having services=20 >> that are not eventually deployed persisting in=20 >> the registry is minimal. >> >> I tried to register emergency URNs >> - for emergency service of municipal police; and >> - for emergency service of national police >> (both of which are used in Czech republic)=20 >> with IANA=20 >> in htt= ps://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ecrit/current/msg08419.html >> >> The registration was rejected .... >> >> So, I disagree that barrieer is low. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Ivo Sedlacek >> >> From: Ecrit=20 >> [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On=20 >> Behalf=20 >> Of R.Jesske@telekom.de >> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 5:08 PM >>=20 >> To: br@salsgiver.com; iana= @iana.org >> Cc: ecrit@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Expert Reviewer's=20 >> response to request to register=20 >> 'country-specific' in 'sos' Subservice=20 >> Registry in the Service URN Labels group >> >> Hi Brian, >> the aimed registration is for 3GPP networks=20 >> only and not to be intended to be used=20 >> everywhere. >> >> So from my understanding there are a many of=20 >> existing specific emergency services out in=20 >> the world which need the equivalent within the=20 >> 3GPP IMS world. >> >> An example is Poland: >> Please=20 >> see htt= p://uke.gov.pl/tablice-numerow-kierowania-alarmowego-nka-9410 which=20 >> lists the number 986 for "stra=9B miejska" (=3D=20 >> municipal police) and the number 997 for=20 >> Policja (=3D police) as "numery alarmowe" (=3D=20 >> emergency numbers). >> Which cannot use the normal sos urn. >> >> 3GPP had the requirement to specify this for=20 >> the 3GPP IMS world. And the easiest way was to=20 >> have such an mechanism. >> Since this is only used for the 3GPP IMS=20 >> world, 3GPP would like to have a mechanism to=20 >> allow these specific suptypes. >> >> So what could be done to get such an solution where IETF can agree upon? >> >> Best Regards >> >> Roland >> >> Von: Ecrit=20 >> [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] Im=20 >> Auftrag von Brian Rosen >> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. November 2016 15:54 >> An: iana@iana.org >> Cc: ECRIT >> Betreff: [Ecrit] Expert Reviewer's response to=20 >> request to register 'country-specific' in=20 >> 'sos' Subservice Registry in the Service URN=20 >> Labels group >> >> I am the expert reviewer designated by the=20 >> ecrit working group for this request. >> >> I believe this request is not consistent with=20 >> the words and the intent of the registry.=20 >> "country-specific' is not an emergency=20 >> service. Since the management policy of the=20 >> emergency service is "expert review", the=20 >> barrier to adding new, possibly experimental=20 >> services is low, and the consequences of=20 >> having services that are not eventually=20 >> deployed persisting in the registry is=20 >> minimal. The URN was not intended to have a=20 >> generic X- service or equivalent, which is=20 >> what this registration attempts to do. New=20 >> services, even experimental services, should=20 >> register the service with IANA following the=20 >> normal procedure. >> >> Therefore, I recommend that we deny this=20 >> request and suggest that the specific services=20 >> be registered with IANA as they are deployed.=20 >> This decision has been reviewed with the=20 >> ecrit working group. >> >> Brian >> >> >> On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Az Mankin=20 >> <azmankin@gmail.com>=20 >> wrote: >> >> >> ECRIT Working Group, >> >> We need a volunteer for the following IANA=20 >> Expert Review request that Amanda Baber of=20 >> IANA just sent to Roger and me. It needs to=20 >> be written and sent to the mailing list, per=20 >> the IESG's appointment of the WG as the Expert=20 >> Reviewer=20 >> (http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid-labels/urn-serviceid-= labels.xhtml).=20 >> Amanda's message is under the line. Who'd like=20 >> to step up for this? >> >> Thanks! from your Chairs >> ---------------- >> >> >> >> The IANA Services Operator has received a=20 >> request for registration in the 'sos'=20 >> Sub-Services registry in the Service URN=20 >> Labels group. This request comes from Frederic=20 >> Firmin of ETSI. >> >> According to RFC 7163, registration in 'sos'=20 >> Sub-Services requires expert review as=20 >> designated by the ECRIT working group or its=20 >> successor (or, in their absence, the IESG).=20 >> Can you send this request for review? >> >> The IESG has asked that expert reviews be=20 >> completed within two weeks, if possible. >> >> See below. >> >> thanks, >> >> Amanda Baber >> Lead IANA Services Specialist >> PTI >> >> =3D=3D=3D >> >> Contact Name: >> Frederic Firmin >> >> Contact Email: >> frederic.firmin@etsi.org >> >> Type of Assignment: >> sub-service URN >> >> Registry: >> Service URN Labels registry with the "sos" URN Service Labels subregistr= y. >> >> Description: >> This sub-service type is used before an=20 >> appropriate sub-service type is registered=20 >> with IANA for a specific emergency service.=20 >> This sub-service type is not used where an=20 >> appropriate sub-service type has been=20 >> registered with IANA for the specific=20 >> emergency service. >> The next level of sub-services indicates the=20 >> country where the specific emergency service=20 >> is used. Subtypes below this are defined by=20 >> national regulation of that country and are=20 >> not registered with IANA. >> >> >> Additional Info: >> The following service URN is proposed to be registered: >> urn:service:sos.country-specific >> >> reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available=20 >> at = http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zip (cf=20 >> subclause 7.11.1) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ecrit mailing list >> Ecrit@ietf.org >>=20 >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman= /listinfo/ecrit >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes. From nobody Wed Nov 16 20:50:40 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1BD129532 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 20:50:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rRSBFdUhgj5W for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 20:50:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from email.salsgiver.com (email.salsgiver.com [206.67.234.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E7C91293F3 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 20:50:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.96.8.226] ([156.154.81.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by email.salsgiver.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPA id uAH4o6q0025323; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 23:50:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from br@salsgiver.com) X-Authentication-Warning: email.salsgiver.com: Host [156.154.81.54] claimed to be [10.96.8.226] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Brian Rosen In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 13:50:06 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <640F959A-2915-4037-A760-DAEEC3A8D30B@salsgiver.com> References: <6337FF74-A230-42C9-989A-AA7A9EC07277@salsgiver.com> <8e9f6d731099499ca529eecb8236f4ce@HE105828.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <003EC069-30F6-4874-9CF1-6BB2110A3841@salsgiver.com> To: Randall Gellens X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: "iana@iana.org" , "ecrit@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Expert Reviewer's response to request to register 'country-specific' in 'sos' Subservice Registry in the Service URN Labels group X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 04:50:38 -0000 >> My suggestion is to create the sub registry for police, have the "a" = levels as initial values, and allow additional values to be added with = expert review. >=20 > Since you've identified cases that don't fit well into the "a" levels, = as long as we don't expect a large number of such police subservices to = be registered, I'd suggest using the descriptive names instead. (E.g., = "police.municipal", "police.tourist", maybe "police.FBI" or = "police.DEA". >=20 How would you suggest we handle multiple names for the same =E2=80=9Clevel= =E2=80=9D. An easy example is =E2=80=9CState Police=E2=80=9D vs = =E2=80=9CProvincial Police=E2=80=9D. These are the same A1 level. You = can have =E2=80=9CCounty=E2=80=9D, or =E2=80=9CBorough=E2=80=9D or = =E2=80=9CRegional=E2=80=9D for A2. You can have =E2=80=9CCity=E2=80=9D = or =E2=80=9CMunicipal=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9CLocal=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=A6 = for A3. Do we have separate listings (they are cheap, but we really want to be = able to differentiate easily. Brian= From nobody Wed Nov 16 20:51:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AAC7129532 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 20:51:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5vr5Gu0p2joF for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 20:51:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from email.salsgiver.com (email.salsgiver.com [206.67.234.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E4CA1293F3 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 20:51:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.96.8.226] ([156.154.81.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by email.salsgiver.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPA id uAH4pdHv025761; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 23:51:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from br@salsgiver.com) X-Authentication-Warning: email.salsgiver.com: Host [156.154.81.54] claimed to be [10.96.8.226] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Brian Rosen In-Reply-To: <640F959A-2915-4037-A760-DAEEC3A8D30B@salsgiver.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 13:51:39 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <6337FF74-A230-42C9-989A-AA7A9EC07277@salsgiver.com> <8e9f6d731099499ca529eecb8236f4ce@HE105828.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <003EC069-30F6-4874-9CF1-6BB2110A3841@salsgiver.com> <640F959A-2915-4037-A760-DAEEC3A8D30B@salsgiver.com> To: Brian Rosen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: "ecrit@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Expert Reviewer's response to request to register 'country-specific' in 'sos' Subservice Registry in the Service URN Labels group X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 04:51:50 -0000 And I=E2=80=99ve copied IANA again! Argh. Dropped from this email. = Please delete IANA if you reply to that message. > On Nov 17, 2016, at 1:50 PM, Brian Rosen wrote: >=20 >>> My suggestion is to create the sub registry for police, have the "a" = levels as initial values, and allow additional values to be added with = expert review. >>=20 >> Since you've identified cases that don't fit well into the "a" = levels, as long as we don't expect a large number of such police = subservices to be registered, I'd suggest using the descriptive names = instead. (E.g., "police.municipal", "police.tourist", maybe = "police.FBI" or "police.DEA". >>=20 >=20 > How would you suggest we handle multiple names for the same = =E2=80=9Clevel=E2=80=9D. An easy example is =E2=80=9CState Police=E2=80=9D= vs =E2=80=9CProvincial Police=E2=80=9D. These are the same A1 level. = You can have =E2=80=9CCounty=E2=80=9D, or =E2=80=9CBorough=E2=80=9D or = =E2=80=9CRegional=E2=80=9D for A2. You can have =E2=80=9CCity=E2=80=9D = or =E2=80=9CMunicipal=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9CLocal=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=A6 = for A3. >=20 > Do we have separate listings (they are cheap, but we really want to be = able to differentiate easily. >=20 > Brian > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit From nobody Wed Nov 16 21:37:03 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4BB129401 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 21:37:01 -0800 (PST) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER SECTION, Duplicate header field: "MIME-Version" X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.397 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.397 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q7srRfxbXRjf for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 21:37:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from turing.pensive.org (turing.pensive.org [99.111.97.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECDF8129866 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 21:36:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [99.111.97.136] (99.111.97.161) by turing.pensive.org with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9); Wed, 16 Nov 2016 21:36:55 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <640F959A-2915-4037-A760-DAEEC3A8D30B@salsgiver.com> References: <6337FF74-A230-42C9-989A-AA7A9EC07277@salsgiver.com> <8e9f6d731099499ca529eecb8236f4ce@HE105828.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <003EC069-30F6-4874-9CF1-6BB2110A3841@salsgiver.com> <640F959A-2915-4037-A760-DAEEC3A8D30B@salsgiver.com> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 21:36:54 -0800 To: Brian Rosen From: Randall Gellens Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 Archived-At: Cc: "iana@iana.org" , "ecrit@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Expert Reviewer's response to request to register 'country-specific' in 'sos' Subservice Registry in the Service URN Labels group X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 05:37:01 -0000 At 1:50 PM +0900 11/17/16, Brian Rosen wrote: > >> My suggestion is to create the sub registry=20 > for police, have the "a" levels as initial=20 > values, and allow additional values to be added=20 > with expert review. >> >> Since you've identified cases that don't fit=20 >> well into the "a" levels, as long as we don't=20 >> expect a large number of such police=20 >> subservices to be registered, I'd suggest=20 >> using the descriptive names instead. (E.g.,=20 >> "police.municipal", "police.tourist", maybe=20 >> "police.FBI" or "police.DEA". >> > > How would you suggest we handle multiple names=20 > for the same "level". An easy example is=20 > "State Police" vs "Provincial Police". These=20 > are the same A1 level. You can have "County",=20 > or "Borough" or "Regional" for A2. You can=20 > have "City" or "Municipal" or "Local" or =8A for=20 > A3. > > Do we have separate listings (they are cheap,=20 > but we really want to be able to differentiate=20 > easily. I'd suggest we just pick one name (e.g., either=20 "state" or "province"). The IANA registration=20 can say "Used for state-level or provincial=20 level." For the most part, users won't be=20 entering or seeing these names anyway. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- An economist is an expert who will know tomorrow why the things he predicted yesterday didn't happen today. --Laurence J. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello > I'd suggest we just pick one name (e.g., either "state" or "province"). = The IANA registration can say "Used for state-level or provincial level." = For the most part, users won't be entering or seeing these names anyway. The original IANA registration (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ecrit= /current/msg08419.html) was for two emergency emergency services existing i= n Czech republic: Emergency-Service-1: emergency service offered by the police department or = other law enforcement authorities of the local or municipal authorities. Emergency-Service-2:-emergency service offered by the police department or = other law enforcement authorities of the national government. So two URNs are needed for Czech republic. A lot of other emergency URNs will probably be needed for other countries -= see last column in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emergency_telepho= ne_numbers Kind regards Ivo Sedlacek --_000_AM5PR0701MB24682809C82F1D23B00D250BE5B10AM5PR0701MB2468_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hell= o

 

> I'd suggest we just pic= k one name (e.g., either "state" or "province").  = The IANA registration can say "Used for state-level or provincial leve= l."  For the most part, users won't be entering or seeing these n= ames anyway.

 

The = original IANA registration (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ecrit/cur= rent/msg08419.html) was for two emergency emergency services existing in Czech republic:

 

Emer= gency-Service-1: emergency service offered by the police department or othe= r law enforcement authorities of the local or municipal authorities.

Emer= gency-Service-2:-emergency service offered by the police department or othe= r law enforcement authorities of the national government.

 

So t= wo URNs are needed for Czech republic.

 

A lo= t of other emergency URNs will probably be needed for other countries - see= last column in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emer= gency_telephone_numbers

 

Kind= regards

 

Ivo = Sedlacek

--_000_AM5PR0701MB24682809C82F1D23B00D250BE5B10AM5PR0701MB2468_-- From nobody Thu Nov 17 16:47:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E03A12946F for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 16:47:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uGjbZ4H-8tCZ for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 16:47:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from email.salsgiver.com (email.salsgiver.com [206.67.234.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56546129604 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 16:47:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.96.8.226] ([156.154.81.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by email.salsgiver.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPA id uAI0ksfu060245; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 19:47:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from br@salsgiver.com) X-Authentication-Warning: email.salsgiver.com: Host [156.154.81.54] claimed to be [10.96.8.226] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_954A66BB-750B-40BE-96FD-A62C75E6685C" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Brian Rosen In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:46:54 +0900 Message-Id: <51ADC750-8FB2-4843-8A26-D26DC4F59645@salsgiver.com> References: <6337FF74-A230-42C9-989A-AA7A9EC07277@salsgiver.com> <8e9f6d731099499ca529eecb8236f4ce@HE105828.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <003EC069-30F6-4874-9CF1-6BB2110A3841@salsgiver.com> <640F959A-2915-4037-A760-DAEEC3A8D30B@salsgiver.com> To: Ivo Sedlacek X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: "ecrit@ietf.org" , "iana@iana.org" Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Expert Reviewer's response to request to register 'country-specific' in 'sos' Subservice Registry in the Service URN Labels group X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 00:47:11 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_954A66BB-750B-40BE-96FD-A62C75E6685C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I am working on a draft to create a sub registry for police It will include =E2=80=9Cnational=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cmunicipal=E2=80=9D= as well as =E2=80=9Cprovincial=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cborder=E2=80=9D, = =E2=80=9Ctraffic=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Ctourist=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Ctranspor= t=E2=80=9D with expert review to add others. I may also include registrations for some of the other services listed = in that article. Brian > On Nov 18, 2016, at 3:43 AM, Ivo Sedlacek = wrote: >=20 > Hello > =20 > > I'd suggest we just pick one name (e.g., either "state" or = "province"). The IANA registration can say "Used for state-level or = provincial level." For the most part, users won't be entering or seeing = these names anyway. > =20 > The original IANA registration = (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ecrit/current/msg08419.html = ) was = for two emergency emergency services existing in Czech republic: > =20 > Emergency-Service-1: emergency service offered by the police = department or other law enforcement authorities of the local or = municipal authorities. > Emergency-Service-2:-emergency service offered by the police = department or other law enforcement authorities of the national = government. > =20 > So two URNs are needed for Czech republic. > =20 > A lot of other emergency URNs will probably be needed for other = countries - see last column = inhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emergency_telephone_numbers = > =20 > Kind regards > =20 > Ivo Sedlacek --Apple-Mail=_954A66BB-750B-40BE-96FD-A62C75E6685C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I am working on a draft to create a sub registry for = police

It will = include =E2=80=9Cnational=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cmunicipal=E2=80=9D as = well as =E2=80=9Cprovincial=E2=80=9D,  =E2=80=9Cborder=E2=80=9D, = =E2=80=9Ctraffic=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Ctourist=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Ctranspor= t=E2=80=9D with expert review to add others.

I may also include registrations for = some of the other services listed in that article.

Brian
On = Nov 18, 2016, at 3:43 AM, Ivo Sedlacek <ivo.sedlacek@ericsson.com> wrote:

Hello
 
> = I'd suggest we just pick one name (e.g., either "state" or = "province").  The IANA registration can say "Used for state-level = or provincial level."  For the most part, users won't be entering = or seeing these names anyway.
 
The original IANA registration (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ecrit/current/msg08419.ht= ml) was for two emergency emergency services existing in Czech = republic:
 
Emergency-Service-1: emergency service offered by the police = department or other law enforcement authorities of the local or = municipal authorities.
Emergency-Service-2:-emergency service = offered by the police department or other law enforcement authorities of = the national government.
 
So two URNs are needed for Czech = republic.
 
A lot of other emergency URNs will probably be needed for = other countries - see last column inhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emergency_telephone_numbe= rs
 
Kind regards
 
Ivo = Sedlacek

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I don't think it is up to you to say what the expert should do to come to a decision. The expert is given considerable discretion to consult with whoever s/he wishes. > I would note that CT1 meets in a weeks time, so this gets urgent if you > want them to consider your expert reviewer postion. From 5226: - A designated expert must respond in a timely fashion, normally within a week for simple requests to a few weeks for more complex ones. The CT1 schedule is their problem. Thanks, Paul > Keith > > > > *From:*Brian Rosen [mailto:br@salsgiver.com] > *Sent:* 04 November 2016 15:32 > *To:* Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB) > *Cc:* Az Mankin; ecrit@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA > 'sos' Sub-Services registry > > > > I think the criteria is fine. > > > > If they had proposed a service in the way we envisioned services, say > “Swift Water Rescue”, it would be a no-brainer. > > > > In this case they want to create an escape hatch, country specific, with > no registry. This is not what we anticipated. That means that the > review will be difficult. > > > > An expert reviewer is needed. Alison asked, and I accepted. I am the > expert reviewer. > > > > I will follow the normal process, which includes consulting with others, > in this case, the entire WG, and responding back through the usual channels. > > > > It may be that as a result of this request we generate a document that > updates 7163. We’ll see. > > > > But right now, I think we have a workable process that comports with > established IETF procedures. > > > > Brian > > > > On Nov 4, 2016, at 11:00 AM, Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB) > > wrote: > > > > I would add further that the process is for the Expert Reviewer to > send any questions or concerns back to IANA and thence to the > original requester, not make a post on the list asking if anyone is > aware of the issue. > > > > I would stress that any response in this case would need to be based > on 3GPP CT1 discussion of the response to the IANA registration > requestion, and possibly amendment of the IANA registration section > of the referenced specification. > > > > Keith > > > > *From:* Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Drage, > Keith (Nokia - GB) > *Sent:* 04 November 2016 14:55 > *To:* Az Mankin > *Cc:* ecrit@ietf.org ; Brian Rosen > *Subject:* Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA > 'sos' Sub-Services registry > > > > The process is that the WG should have (long ago) appointed an > expert or experts for the registry, and that information should be > given to IANA. > > > > IANA would then send the review request to the appropriate expert > and the review would have taken place without necessarily any direct > involvement of the WG, based on the criteria specified in the RFC 7163. > > > > Instead this appears to be automatically turning into “Working Group > Review” for which there is no such case, rather than “Expert Review”. > > > > Keith > > > > *From:* Az Mankin [mailto:azmankin@gmail.com] > *Sent:* 04 November 2016 13:50 > *To:* Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB) > *Cc:* Brian Rosen; Paul Kyzivat; ecrit@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA > 'sos' Sub-Services registry > > > > Hi, Keith, > > When the RFC was reviewed by the IESG, the Expert Review policy was > set to "ECRIT WG or their successor or the IESG if there is no > successor." I asked for this to be on the list (but noting that it > has a two week deadline) because of this, and I'm not sure what the > concern is. > > Allison > > > > On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB) > > wrote: > > This suggestion to discuss on the list before anyone had even looked > at it suggests that the WG has totally failed in setting the review > criteria for IANA registration to Expert Review. It should be the > awkward ones where the reviewer might come to the list, not all of them. > > Keith > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org > ] On Behalf Of Brian Rosen > Sent: 03 November 2016 21:15 > To: Paul Kyzivat > Cc: ecrit@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA > 'sos' Sub-Services registry > > I intend to. ISTM this violates the spirit of urn:service:sos > > I don't recall being in or seeing a discussion on this. > > Is anyone on the list familiar with this work? > > Brian > > On Nov 3, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Paul Kyzivat > wrote: > > > > On 11/3/16 4:56 PM, Brian Rosen wrote: > >> I'll do it > > > > I think it would be good to have this discussed on the list. (Wasn't > > there already some discussion, somewhere?) > > > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > >> Brian > >> > >>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Az Mankin > >>> >> wrote: > >>> > >>> ECRIT Working Group, > >>> > >>> We need a volunteer for the following IANA Expert Review request > >>> that Amanda Baber of IANA just sent to Roger and me. It needs to be > >>> written and sent to the mailing list, per the IESG's appointment of > >>> the WG as the Expert Reviewer > >>> > (http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid-labels/urn-serviceid-labels.xhtml). > >>> Amanda's message is under the line. Who'd like to step up for this? > >>> > >>> Thanks! from your Chairs > >>> ---------------- > >>> > >>> > >>> The IANA Services Operator has received a request for registration > >>> in the 'sos' Sub-Services registry in the Service URN Labels group. > >>> This request comes from Frederic Firmin of ETSI. > >>> > >>> According to RFC 7163, registration in 'sos' Sub-Services requires > >>> expert review as designated by the ECRIT working group or its > >>> successor (or, in their absence, the IESG). Can you send this > >>> request for review? > >>> > >>> The IESG has asked that expert reviews be completed within two > >>> weeks, if possible. > >>> > >>> See below. > >>> > >>> thanks, > >>> > >>> Amanda Baber > >>> Lead IANA Services Specialist > >>> PTI > >>> > >>> === > >>> > >>> Contact Name: > >>> Frederic Firmin > >>> > >>> Contact Email: > >>> frederic.firmin@etsi.org > > > >>> > >>> Type of Assignment: > >>> sub-service URN > >>> > >>> Registry: > >>> Service URN Labels registry with the "sos" URN Service Labels > subregistry. > >>> > >>> Description: > >>> This sub-service type is used before an appropriate sub-service type > >>> is registered with IANA for a specific emergency service. This > >>> sub-service type is not used where an appropriate sub-service type > >>> has been registered with IANA for the specific emergency service. > >>> The next level of sub-services indicates the country where the > >>> specific emergency service is used. Subtypes below this are defined > >>> by national regulation of that country and are not registered > with IANA. > >>> > >>> > >>> Additional Info: > >>> The following service URN is proposed to be registered: > >>> urn:service:sos.country-specific > >>> > >>> reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available at > >>> http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zip > >>> >>> p> > >>> (cf subclause 7.11.1) > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Ecrit mailing list > >>> Ecrit@ietf.org > > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ecrit mailing list > >> Ecrit@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ecrit mailing list > > Ecrit@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > From nobody Mon Nov 21 07:50:42 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F3F129AD0 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2016 07:50:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vViJefBIp-ww for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2016 07:50:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from sea-mx-02.telecomsys.com (sea-mx-02.telecomsys.com [199.165.246.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05698129AE3 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2016 07:50:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from SEA-EXCAS-3.telecomsys.com (exc2010-local3.telecomsys.com [10.32.12.6]) by sea-mx-02.telecomsys.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id uALFo836010996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Nov 2016 07:50:08 -0800 Received: from SEA-EXMB-2.telecomsys.com ([169.254.2.90]) by SEA-EXCAS-3.telecomsys.com ([10.32.12.6]) with mapi id 14.03.0319.002; Mon, 21 Nov 2016 07:50:07 -0800 From: Roger Marshall To: Paul Kyzivat , "ecrit@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos' Sub-Services registry Thread-Index: AQHSNg0J/d+Q0v9L3EukETQIcVqi56DIMseAgAADqACAAAF3gIAAO0kAgADanACAABJpAIAAAWWAgAAI8gCAAxk8AIAAax0AgBbCnKA= Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 15:50:07 +0000 Message-ID: References: <21D6E6E8-A4CC-49D5-9DC1-28A0D0610BC8@salsgiver.com> <8db0d0c8-9621-6f0c-c12f-d3fb7c5dd1f1@alum.mit.edu> <949EF20990823C4C85C18D59AA11AD8BADFA73F5@FR712WXCHMBA11.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com> <949EF20990823C4C85C18D59AA11AD8BADFA7B64@FR712WXCHMBA11.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com> <949EF20990823C4C85C18D59AA11AD8BADFA7B95@FR712WXCHMBA11.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com> <949EF20990823C4C85C18D59AA11AD8BADFA84BC@FR712WXCHMBA11.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com> <55de06c5-5c61-cb54-6f0f-72856dcd0571@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <55de06c5-5c61-cb54-6f0f-72856dcd0571@comcast.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.32.12.134] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos' Sub-Services registry X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 15:50:41 -0000 Paul: I apologize for this late release of this earlier queued message to the ECR= IT list. -roger. -----Original Message----- From: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Paul Kyzivat Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 12:15 PM To: ecrit@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos' Su= b-Services registry Keith, On 11/6/16 8:51 AM, Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB) wrote: > So your first action to the request should be to review the request=20 > against the criteria in the RFC and respond to the requester with your=20 > analysis, not the WG. I don't think it is up to you to say what the expert should do to come to a= decision. The expert is given considerable discretion to consult with whoe= ver s/he wishes. > I would note that CT1 meets in a weeks time, so this gets urgent if=20 > you want them to consider your expert reviewer postion. From 5226: - A designated expert must respond in a timely fashion, normally within a week for simple requests to a few weeks for more complex ones. The CT1 schedule is their problem. Thanks, Paul > Keith > > > > *From:*Brian Rosen [mailto:br@salsgiver.com] > *Sent:* 04 November 2016 15:32 > *To:* Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB) > *Cc:* Az Mankin; ecrit@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA=20 > 'sos' Sub-Services registry > > > > I think the criteria is fine. > > > > If they had proposed a service in the way we envisioned services, say=20 > "Swift Water Rescue", it would be a no-brainer. > > > > In this case they want to create an escape hatch, country specific,=20 > with no registry. This is not what we anticipated. That means that=20 > the review will be difficult. > > > > An expert reviewer is needed. Alison asked, and I accepted. I am the=20 > expert reviewer. > > > > I will follow the normal process, which includes consulting with=20 > others, in this case, the entire WG, and responding back through the usua= l channels. > > > > It may be that as a result of this request we generate a document that=20 > updates 7163. We'll see. > > > > But right now, I think we have a workable process that comports with=20 > established IETF procedures. > > > > Brian > > > > On Nov 4, 2016, at 11:00 AM, Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB) > > wrote: > > > > I would add further that the process is for the Expert Reviewer to > send any questions or concerns back to IANA and thence to the > original requester, not make a post on the list asking if anyone is > aware of the issue. > > > > I would stress that any response in this case would need to be based > on 3GPP CT1 discussion of the response to the IANA registration > requestion, and possibly amendment of the IANA registration section > of the referenced specification. > > > > Keith > > > > *From:* Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Drage, > Keith (Nokia - GB) > *Sent:* 04 November 2016 14:55 > *To:* Az Mankin > *Cc:* ecrit@ietf.org ; Brian Rosen > *Subject:* Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA > 'sos' Sub-Services registry > > > > The process is that the WG should have (long ago) appointed an > expert or experts for the registry, and that information should be > given to IANA. > > > > IANA would then send the review request to the appropriate expert > and the review would have taken place without necessarily any direct > involvement of the WG, based on the criteria specified in the RFC 716= 3. > > > > Instead this appears to be automatically turning into "Working Group > Review" for which there is no such case, rather than "Expert Review". > > > > Keith > > > > *From:* Az Mankin [mailto:azmankin@gmail.com] > *Sent:* 04 November 2016 13:50 > *To:* Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB) > *Cc:* Brian Rosen; Paul Kyzivat; ecrit@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA > 'sos' Sub-Services registry > > > > Hi, Keith, > > When the RFC was reviewed by the IESG, the Expert Review policy was > set to "ECRIT WG or their successor or the IESG if there is no > successor." I asked for this to be on the list (but noting that it > has a two week deadline) because of this, and I'm not sure what the > concern is. > > Allison > > > > On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB) > > wrote: > > This suggestion to discuss on the list before anyone had even looked > at it suggests that the WG has totally failed in setting the review > criteria for IANA registration to Expert Review. It should be the > awkward ones where the reviewer might come to the list, not all of th= em. > > Keith > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org > ] On Behalf Of Brian Rosen > Sent: 03 November 2016 21:15 > To: Paul Kyzivat > Cc: ecrit@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA > 'sos' Sub-Services registry > > I intend to. ISTM this violates the spirit of urn:service:sos > > I don't recall being in or seeing a discussion on this. > > Is anyone on the list familiar with this work? > > Brian > > On Nov 3, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Paul Kyzivat > wrote: > > > > On 11/3/16 4:56 PM, Brian Rosen wrote: > >> I'll do it > > > > I think it would be good to have this discussed on the list. (Wasn'= t > > there already some discussion, somewhere?) > > > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > >> Brian > >> > >>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Az Mankin > >>> >> wrote: > >>> > >>> ECRIT Working Group, > >>> > >>> We need a volunteer for the following IANA Expert Review request > >>> that Amanda Baber of IANA just sent to Roger and me. It needs to= be > >>> written and sent to the mailing list, per the IESG's appointment = of > >>> the WG as the Expert Reviewer > >>> > (http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid-labels/urn-serviceid-l= abels.xhtml). > >>> Amanda's message is under the line. Who'd like to step up for thi= s? > >>> > >>> Thanks! from your Chairs > >>> ---------------- > >>> > >>> > >>> The IANA Services Operator has received a request for registratio= n > >>> in the 'sos' Sub-Services registry in the Service URN Labels grou= p. > >>> This request comes from Frederic Firmin of ETSI. > >>> > >>> According to RFC 7163, registration in 'sos' Sub-Services require= s > >>> expert review as designated by the ECRIT working group or its > >>> successor (or, in their absence, the IESG). Can you send this > >>> request for review? > >>> > >>> The IESG has asked that expert reviews be completed within two > >>> weeks, if possible. > >>> > >>> See below. > >>> > >>> thanks, > >>> > >>> Amanda Baber > >>> Lead IANA Services Specialist > >>> PTI > >>> > >>> =3D=3D=3D > >>> > >>> Contact Name: > >>> Frederic Firmin > >>> > >>> Contact Email: > >>> frederic.firmin@etsi.org > > > >>> > >>> Type of Assignment: > >>> sub-service URN > >>> > >>> Registry: > >>> Service URN Labels registry with the "sos" URN Service Labels > subregistry. > >>> > >>> Description: > >>> This sub-service type is used before an appropriate sub-service t= ype > >>> is registered with IANA for a specific emergency service. This > >>> sub-service type is not used where an appropriate sub-service typ= e > >>> has been registered with IANA for the specific emergency service. > >>> The next level of sub-services indicates the country where the > >>> specific emergency service is used. Subtypes below this are defin= ed > >>> by national regulation of that country and are not registered > with IANA. > >>> > >>> > >>> Additional Info: > >>> The following service URN is proposed to be registered: > >>> urn:service:sos.country-specific > >>> > >>> reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available at > >>> http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.= zip > >>> >>> p> > >>> (cf subclause 7.11.1) > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Ecrit mailing list > >>> Ecrit@ietf.org > > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ecrit mailing list > >> Ecrit@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ecrit mailing list > > Ecrit@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > _______________________________________________ Ecrit mailing list Ecrit@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit ________________________________ NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: This email, including attachments, may contain informa= tion which is confidential, proprietary, attorney-client privileged and/or = controlled under U.S. export laws and regulations and may be restricted fro= m disclosure by applicable State and Federal law. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I noticed that WG state of draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall changed to "Submitted to = IESG for Publication" despite a comment (ISSUE 7 in the attached) raised du= ring WGLC was not resolved, even though the issue was confirmed by other pe= ople and even though it was requested that the issue is solved before publi= cation request. I am formally objecting to this state change. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <8884ECE4A644804B8708F8F8CD1AD52A@eurprd07.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Randall, I identified a technical problem ("attach X to SIP message" is not defined)= during WGLC. You did not solve the technical problem during WGLC. Paul's mail from 1st Nov somehow confirms that there can be different inter= pretations and something needs to be done ("It needs to be defined in detai= l for each case."). I proposed a possible solution in the updated draft. You do not like the solution but have not proposed any other solution till = now. The technical problem is still unresolved. I think I have done my duty and it is time for chairs to settle what to do. Now in details to your answers: > > 1) rfc7852 defines "conveying" of data (not "attaching" data): > > ------------------- > > When an emergency call is sent to a Public Safety Answering Point > > (PSAP), the originating device, the access network provider to whic= h > > the device is connected, and all service providers in the path of t= he > > call have information about the call, the caller, or the location, > > which is helpful for the PSAP to have in handling the emergency. > > This document describes data structures and mechanisms to **convey = such > > data** to the PSAP. The intent is that every emergency call carry = as > > much of the information described here as possible using the > > mechanisms described here. > > > > The mechanisms permit the data to be **conveyed** by reference (as = an > > external resource) or by value (within the body of a SIP message or= a > > location object). This follows the tradition of prior emergency > > services standardization work where data can be conveyed by value > > within the call signaling (i.e., in the body of the SIP message) or > > by reference. > > ------------------- > > so I use "convey" when introducing rfc7852 in eCall draft. > > RFC 7852 discusses equally sending data with the call and sending a refer= ence > to data that is available externally, hence the use of the neutral term > "conveyance." I think using "conveyance" in the eCall draft would be les= s > well understood by the average reader than using "attach." The term "att= ach" > seems pretty generally well understood, and the current language in the d= raft > makes it very clear exactly what steps are performed. "attach X to SIP message" is NOT defined anywhere and thus the standard is = NOT clear. The nearest interpretation of "attach X to SIP message" is "include a body = part containing X with Content-Disposition: attachment in SIP message", whi= ch does not work with the draft. > > Moreover, given that rfc7852 does not use "attach" data, eCall draft > > should be able to live without "attach" data too. > > > > 2) I *think* the intention of "attach" in the draft is to refer to > > "block transmitted by value" as described in rfc7852 section 6.1 the > > last paragraph 1st sentence: > > ------------------- > > When blocks are transmitted by value, the 'purpose' parameter in a > > Call-Info header field identifies the data, and the CID URL points = to > > the data block in the body (which has a matching Content-ID body pa= rt > > header field). > > ------------------- > > So I use "block transmitted by value" everywhere in eCall draft with > > exception identified in 3) below. > > That seems more confusing to use in the eCall draft, since eCall data is = not > transmitted by reference. "block transmitted by value" is defined in rfc7852. How can it be confusing= to use that term together with referencing rfc7852??? "attach X to SIP message" is NOT defined anywhere. Can usage of a defined term be more confusing than usage of an undefined te= rm??? Kind regards Ivo _______________________________________________ Ecrit mailing list Ecrit@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit --_002_AM5PR0701MB246818833BDFCDA9E5AB9876E58A0AM5PR0701MB2468_-- From nobody Tue Nov 29 11:57:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324C3129C54 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 11:57:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o_kW1BOvHj0n for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 11:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from sesbmg22.ericsson.net (sesbmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.48]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF54D129C47 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 11:57:03 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb30-83bff70000000c18-6e-583ddd8d7816 Received: from ESESSHC008.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.42]) by (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 3E.FB.03096.D8DDD385; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 20:57:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from ESESSMB209.ericsson.se ([169.254.9.16]) by ESESSHC008.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.42]) with mapi id 14.03.0319.002; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 20:57:01 +0100 From: Christer Holmberg To: Ivo Sedlacek , "ecrit@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Objection to draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall progressing to state "Submitted to IESG for Publication" Thread-Index: AdJFbsXsFLqBou5eRfmZkKIHQi68XQD77loQAEcH03A= Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 19:57:00 +0000 Message-ID: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4BEB11F2@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.150] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrGLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7lm7fXdsIgxsX2S0aFz1ldWD0WLLk J1MAYxSXTUpqTmZZapG+XQJXxpp3p9gKvrNVLPi+i7WB8QRrFyMnh4SAiUTzubnsXYxcHEIC 6xglfszYBuUsZpQ49fIiUxcjBwebgIVE9z9tkAYRgUCJl/+msYDYwgLZEusm3GWFiOdIrNj0 nw3CtpK4++s8M4jNIqAq8X3/DbAaXgFfieff10LN384osfbvZ1aQ+ZwCiRIH53qB1DAKiEl8 P7WGCcRmFhCXuPVkPhPEoQISS/ZAzJQQEJV4+fgf1ANKEiu2X2KEqNeRWLD7ExuErS2xbOFr Zoi9ghInZz5hmcAoMgvJ2FlIWmYhaZmFpGUBI8sqRtHi1OKk3HQjI73Uoszk4uL8PL281JJN jMDQP7jlt8EOxpfPHQ8xCnAwKvHwfphuGyHEmlhWXJl7iFGCg1lJhJf5JlCINyWxsiq1KD++ qDQntfgQozQHi5I4r9nK++FCAumJJanZqakFqUUwWSYOTqkGxpj9c9ReHma9+LtDKMCVY8W7 Vef/mU3b/P9BBteu5c+2+FY2Jz+oZy479mH9k1UP97w5KlSc13M171f8ilnn8j81pGy3+J3H UMj+aWtynPvpT7ND5h5NurP1zzyHOwFxsWe94l5l/tWe/ja+YKvNgdOtF0o1PvEuu8IcFBjK LGJyt1p/7oYFLuuVWIozEg21mIuKEwExdl9LeQIAAA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Objection to draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall progressing to state "Submitted to IESG for Publication" X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 19:57:05 -0000 Hi, I also indicated (18th October) that I want to solve the issues before we m= ove the draft forward. There have also been suggestions on how to solve iss= ues.=20 Regards, Christer -----Original Message----- From: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ivo Sedlacek Sent: 28 November 2016 12:08 To: ecrit@ietf.org Subject: [Ecrit] Objection to draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall progressing to state "= Submitted to IESG for Publication" Hello, I noticed that WG state of draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall changed to "Submitted to = IESG for Publication" despite a comment (ISSUE 7 in the attached) raised du= ring WGLC was not resolved, even though the issue was confirmed by other pe= ople and even though it was requested that the issue is solved before publi= cation request. I am formally objecting to this state change. Kind regards Ivo Sedlacek From nobody Tue Nov 29 12:28:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72929129C66 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 12:28:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RSoCDoGvD8zn for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 12:28:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from email.salsgiver.com (email.salsgiver.com [206.67.234.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB2601294D3 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 12:28:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.33.192.18] ([156.154.81.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by email.salsgiver.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPA id uATKSO7B088168; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 15:28:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from br@salsgiver.com) X-Authentication-Warning: email.salsgiver.com: Host [156.154.81.54] claimed to be [10.33.192.18] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Brian Rosen In-Reply-To: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4BEB11F2@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 15:28:23 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <205FED72-32AA-494B-A2B0-3BD579BE9FD3@salsgiver.com> References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4BEB11F2@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> To: Christer Holmberg X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: "ecrit@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Objection to draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall progressing to state "Submitted to IESG for Publication" X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 20:28:31 -0000 I object to your objection. Despite your characterization, there is no technical issue here. = Everyone agrees on how the mechanism works. There is an editorial issue = on interpreting the word =E2=80=9Cattached=E2=80=9D. I don=E2=80=99t = object to wordsmithing to make it more clear, but it=E2=80=99s not a = technical problem and it can be dealt with any time before publication. Brian > On Nov 29, 2016, at 2:57 PM, Christer Holmberg = wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I also indicated (18th October) that I want to solve the issues before = we move the draft forward. There have also been suggestions on how to = solve issues.=20 >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Christer >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ivo Sedlacek > Sent: 28 November 2016 12:08 > To: ecrit@ietf.org > Subject: [Ecrit] Objection to draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall progressing to = state "Submitted to IESG for Publication" >=20 > Hello, >=20 > I noticed that WG state of draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall changed to = "Submitted to IESG for Publication" despite a comment (ISSUE 7 in the = attached) raised during WGLC was not resolved, even though the issue was = confirmed by other people and even though it was requested that the = issue is solved before publication request. >=20 > I am formally objecting to this state change. >=20 > Kind regards >=20 > Ivo Sedlacek >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit From nobody Tue Nov 29 12:58:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEBA9129501 for ; 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Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:58:05 +0100 From: Christer Holmberg To: Brian Rosen Thread-Topic: [Ecrit] Objection to draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall progressing to state "Submitted to IESG for Publication" Thread-Index: AdJFbsXsFLqBou5eRfmZkKIHQi68XQD77loQAEcH03D///hCgP//563A Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 20:58:03 +0000 Message-ID: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4BEB15CB@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4BEB11F2@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> <205FED72-32AA-494B-A2B0-3BD579BE9FD3@salsgiver.com> In-Reply-To: <205FED72-32AA-494B-A2B0-3BD579BE9FD3@salsgiver.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.150] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrOLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7q+7917YRBvdbOCymHdvAbtG46Cmr A5PHkiU/mTwWHfrBGsAUxWWTkpqTWZZapG+XwJVxY9NDloJjwhXfj3xibGBsEe5i5OSQEDCR 2HduIlMXIxeHkMA6Ron5S66zQTiLGSWW9E1h72Lk4GATsJDo/qcN0iAioCSxduIGNpAws0Cg xLa/VSCmsECxRM/dIhBTRKBEYtKJGAjTTeL4TleQPhYBVYnVLw6ygti8Ar4SV499ZIXYs4lJ 4vP2v2wgCU4BR4kJaz8wgtiMAmIS30+tYQKxmQXEJW49mc8EcbGAxJI955khbFGJl4//sULY ShIrtl9ihDhMU2L9Ln2IVkWJKd0P2SH2CkqcnPmEZQKj6CwkU2chdMxC0jELSccCRpZVjKLF qcVJuelGxnqpRZnJxcX5eXp5qSWbGIHRcXDLb9UdjJffOB5iFOBgVOLh/TDdNkKINbGsuDL3 EKMEB7OSCG/mI6AQb0piZVVqUX58UWlOavEhRmkOFiVxXrOV98OFBNITS1KzU1MLUotgskwc nFINjK7W6n+OTJjQ4xK1YnVW4uR3kcvnshz4X5zfaGV38MQtZv6juxsedXuKHxP99yHpP/fB gJuL3I58/xB/58JOfvbEM4cbDdbv8BR4NLHtf+qXwMOS30oFlxVNuJCuXvz4Y5virPmx2zZ8 4tJO/2YT3l8ye7owT/G/kAnxRVJp8w3EpH7zddy8sVKJpTgj0VCLuag4EQDJh+1+igIAAA== Archived-At: Cc: "ecrit@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Objection to draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall progressing to state "Submitted to IESG for Publication" X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 20:58:11 -0000 SGksDQoNCj5JIG9iamVjdCB0byB5b3VyIG9iamVjdGlvbi4NCg0KQXMgZmFyIGFzIEkgcmVtZW1i ZXIgeW91IGRpZCBub3Qgb2JqZWN0IHdoZW4gaXQgd2FzIGluaXRpYWxseSBhc2tlZCB0byB3YWl0 IHdpdGggdGhlIHB1YmxpY2F0aW9uIHJlcXVlc3QgYmVmb3JlIHRoZSBpc3N1ZSBpcyBzb2x2ZWQu DQoNCj5EZXNwaXRlIHlvdXIgY2hhcmFjdGVyaXphdGlvbiwgdGhlcmUgaXMgbm8gdGVjaG5pY2Fs IGlzc3VlIGhlcmUuICBFdmVyeW9uZSBhZ3JlZXMgb24gaG93ID50aGUgbWVjaGFuaXNtIHdvcmtz LiAgVGhlcmUgaXMgYW4gZWRpdG9yaWFsIGlzc3VlIG9uIGludGVycHJldGluZyB0aGUgd29yZCDi gJxhdHRhY2hlZOKAnS4gID5JIGRvbuKAmXQgb2JqZWN0IHRvIHdvcmRzbWl0aGluZyB0byBtYWtl IGl0IG1vcmUgY2xlYXIsIGJ1dCBpdOKAmXMgbm90IGEgdGVjaG5pY2FsIHByb2JsZW0gPmFuZCBp dCBjYW4gYmUgZGVhbHQgd2l0aCBhbnkgdGltZSBiZWZvcmUgcHVibGljYXRpb24uDQoNCldoZW4g aXMgImFueSB0aW1lIj8gQSBzb2x1dGlvbiBoYXMgYmVlbiBzdWdnZXN0ZWQgYWJvdXQgYSBtb250 aCBhZ28uIEFGQUlLIG5vYm9keSBoYXMgb2JqZWN0ZWQsIHNvIHBsZWFzZSBpbXBsZW1lbnQgaXQg YW5kIHdlJ3JlIGRvbmUgOikNCg0KUmVnYXJkcywNCg0KQ2hyaXN0ZXINCg0KDQoNCg0KPiBPbiBO b3YgMjksIDIwMTYsIGF0IDI6NTcgUE0sIENocmlzdGVyIEhvbG1iZXJnIDxjaHJpc3Rlci5ob2xt YmVyZ0Blcmljc3Nvbi5jb20+IHdyb3RlOg0KPiANCj4gSGksDQo+IA0KPiBJIGFsc28gaW5kaWNh dGVkICgxOHRoIE9jdG9iZXIpIHRoYXQgSSB3YW50IHRvIHNvbHZlIHRoZSBpc3N1ZXMgYmVmb3Jl IHdlIG1vdmUgdGhlIGRyYWZ0IGZvcndhcmQuIFRoZXJlIGhhdmUgYWxzbyBiZWVuIHN1Z2dlc3Rp b25zIG9uIGhvdyB0byBzb2x2ZSBpc3N1ZXMuIA0KPiANCj4gUmVnYXJkcywNCj4gDQo+IENocmlz dGVyDQo+IA0KPiAtLS0tLU9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLQ0KPiBGcm9tOiBFY3JpdCBbbWFp bHRvOmVjcml0LWJvdW5jZXNAaWV0Zi5vcmddIE9uIEJlaGFsZiBPZiBJdm8gU2VkbGFjZWsNCj4g U2VudDogMjggTm92ZW1iZXIgMjAxNiAxMjowOA0KPiBUbzogZWNyaXRAaWV0Zi5vcmcNCj4gU3Vi amVjdDogW0Vjcml0XSBPYmplY3Rpb24gdG8gZHJhZnQtaWV0Zi1lY3JpdC1lY2FsbCBwcm9ncmVz c2luZyB0byBzdGF0ZSAiU3VibWl0dGVkIHRvIElFU0cgZm9yIFB1YmxpY2F0aW9uIg0KPiANCj4g SGVsbG8sDQo+IA0KPiBJIG5vdGljZWQgdGhhdCBXRyBzdGF0ZSBvZiBkcmFmdC1pZXRmLWVjcml0 LWVjYWxsIGNoYW5nZWQgdG8gIlN1Ym1pdHRlZCB0byBJRVNHIGZvciBQdWJsaWNhdGlvbiIgZGVz cGl0ZSBhIGNvbW1lbnQgKElTU1VFIDcgaW4gdGhlIGF0dGFjaGVkKSByYWlzZWQgZHVyaW5nIFdH TEMgd2FzIG5vdCByZXNvbHZlZCwgZXZlbiB0aG91Z2ggdGhlIGlzc3VlIHdhcyBjb25maXJtZWQg Ynkgb3RoZXIgcGVvcGxlIGFuZCBldmVuIHRob3VnaCBpdCB3YXMgcmVxdWVzdGVkIHRoYXQgdGhl IGlzc3VlIGlzIHNvbHZlZCBiZWZvcmUgcHVibGljYXRpb24gcmVxdWVzdC4NCj4gDQo+IEkgYW0g Zm9ybWFsbHkgb2JqZWN0aW5nIHRvIHRoaXMgc3RhdGUgY2hhbmdlLg0KPiANCj4gS2luZCByZWdh cmRzDQo+IA0KPiBJdm8gU2VkbGFjZWsNCj4gDQo+IA0KPiBfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXw0KPiBFY3JpdCBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QNCj4gRWNyaXRA aWV0Zi5vcmcNCj4gaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaWV0Zi5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9lY3JpdA0K DQo= From nobody Tue Nov 29 15:01:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD13129CD2 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 15:01:03 -0800 (PST) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER SECTION, Duplicate header field: "MIME-Version" X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.397 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.397 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eZDIHJKyr6sS for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 15:01:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from turing.pensive.org (turing.pensive.org [99.111.97.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9326129CC5 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 15:00:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [99.111.97.136] (99.111.97.161) by turing.pensive.org with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9); Tue, 29 Nov 2016 15:00:30 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <205FED72-32AA-494B-A2B0-3BD579BE9FD3@salsgiver.com> References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4BEB11F2@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> <205FED72-32AA-494B-A2B0-3BD579BE9FD3@salsgiver.com> X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 15:00:28 -0800 To: Brian Rosen , Christer Holmberg From: Randall Gellens Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28 Archived-At: Cc: "ecrit@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Objection to draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall progressing to state "Submitted to IESG for Publication" X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 23:01:04 -0000 At 3:28 PM -0500 11/29/16, Brian Rosen wrote: > Despite your characterization, there is no technical issue here. > Everyone agrees on how the mechanism works. There is an editorial > issue on interpreting the word "attached". I don't object to > wordsmithing to make it more clear, but it's not a technical > problem and it can be dealt with any time before publication. I agree and plan to add clarifying wording as part of IETF Last Call. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. --Albert Einstein From nobody Tue Nov 29 19:40:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C37129D22 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 19:40:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5KnyKvoMD3Yi for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 19:40:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from sessmg23.ericsson.net (sessmg23.ericsson.net [193.180.251.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DDBE129D25 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2016 19:40:30 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-089fe70000001117-cb-583e4a2a5a60 Received: from ESESSHC001.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.21]) by (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id B6.2B.04375.A2A4E385; Wed, 30 Nov 2016 04:40:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from ESESSMB209.ericsson.se ([169.254.9.16]) by ESESSHC001.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.21]) with mapi id 14.03.0319.002; Wed, 30 Nov 2016 04:40:26 +0100 From: Christer Holmberg To: Randall Gellens Thread-Topic: [Ecrit] Objection to draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall progressing to state "Submitted to IESG for Publication" Thread-Index: AQHSSpRkrjWdLaOsY0eCgBOHjcO4UqDw4dAK Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 03:40:25 +0000 Message-ID: <1BFEBCBE-F7B8-49D1-A6EA-FC36700C1537@ericsson.com> References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4BEB11F2@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> <205FED72-32AA-494B-A2B0-3BD579BE9FD3@salsgiver.com>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrJLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7qK6Ol12EwfVjahbTjm1gt2hc9JTV 4vvzLkYHZo8lS34yeWy985jFY9GhH6wBzFFcNimpOZllqUX6dglcGbcbnjMWTOSo2LD6DEsD Yw9bFyMHh4SAicSpHcFdjFwcQgLrGCXeL/vFCuEsZpSYee4yWBGbgIVE9z/tLkZODhEBfYl/ v6+ChZkFXCWmbwoECQsLlEj8PfGCGaKkVGLaxnXsELaRxLKTq5hAbBYBVYkZrXfAangF7CVO ti1nhlj1gEli8bPlYEWcQPcs23MerJlRQEzi+6k1YHFmAXGJW0/mg9kSAgISS/acZ4awRSVe Pv7HClGjI7Fg9yc2CFtbYtnC11DLBCVOznzCMoFRZBaSUbOQtMxC0jILScsCRpZVjKLFqcXF uelGxnqpRZnJxcX5eXp5qSWbGIERcnDLb90djKtfOx5iFOBgVOLh/TDdNkKINbGsuDL3EKME B7OSCG+kq12EEG9KYmVValF+fFFpTmrxIUZpDhYlcV6zlffDhQTSE0tSs1NTC1KLYLJMHJxS DYy1PO/X9JXfuZPpkqPBc9y78WLZ57o/bp93nzvPsn2JYdbLdqZXkeuSHD89Wy/31VCs711S jKHaf3flR2uvXL8zKY5zSX16dOLphz7iP31mvyt7KCvLrvn6hN0jFkvZ95m3lTdXXnow++Di rwa2fGUuTjIMmrYRPz8VV8vna8zgvzNJ1rti83IlluKMREMt5qLiRABfiSgvjAIAAA== Archived-At: Cc: "ecrit@ietf.org" , Brian Rosen Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Objection to draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall progressing to state "Submitted to IESG for Publication" X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 03:40:32 -0000 Hi, So, exactly what wording do you intend to add? Regards, Christer=20 Sent from my iPhone > On 30 Nov 2016, at 1.00, Randall Gellens wrot= e: >=20 > At 3:28 PM -0500 11/29/16, Brian Rosen wrote: >=20 >> Despite your characterization, there is no technical issue here. Everyon= e agrees on how the mechanism works. There is an editorial issue on interp= reting the word "attached". I don't object to wordsmithing to make it more= clear, but it's not a technical problem and it can be dealt with any time = before publication. >=20 > I agree and plan to add clarifying wording as part of IETF Last Call. >=20 > --=20 > Randall Gellens > Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only > -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- > As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not > certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. > --Albert Einstein From nobody Wed Nov 30 00:42:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ecrit@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68931295C1 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2016 00:42:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, 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Sedlacek X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: "ecrit@ietf.org" , Brian Rosen Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Objection to draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall progressing to state "Submitted to IESG for Publication" X-BeenThere: ecrit@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 21:02:09 -0000 I still need to do my AD evaluation of this document and I have four = documents total in my queue for review, so the WG can either work this = out before I get to the review (likely next week), or I can put a note = in my review to await the text proposal. Alissa > On Nov 30, 2016, at 3:51 AM, Ivo Sedlacek = wrote: >=20 > Hello, >=20 > I also want to see the suggested text before it is added as part of = IETF last call (as indicated by Randall). Even if we don=E2=80=99t get = the draft back to the WG, I want the WG to agree on the text. >=20 > I disagree that there is no technical issue here. "attach X to SIP = message" can be understood in different ways, nearest one is to "include = X with Content-Disposition: attachment in the SIP message" (which is = likely not the intended meaning). >=20 > Kind regards >=20 > Ivo >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Rosen [mailto:br@salsgiver.com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 9:28 PM > To: Christer Holmberg > Cc: Ivo Sedlacek ; ecrit@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Objection to draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall progressing = to state "Submitted to IESG for Publication" >=20 > I object to your objection. >=20 > Despite your characterization, there is no technical issue here. = Everyone agrees on how the mechanism works. There is an editorial issue = on interpreting the word =E2=80=9Cattached=E2=80=9D. I don=E2=80=99t = object to wordsmithing to make it more clear, but it=E2=80=99s not a = technical problem and it can be dealt with any time before publication. >=20 >=20 > Brian >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Nov 29, 2016, at 2:57 PM, Christer Holmberg = wrote: >>=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> I also indicated (18th October) that I want to solve the issues = before we move the draft forward. There have also been suggestions on = how to solve issues.=20 >>=20 >> Regards, >>=20 >> Christer >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ivo Sedlacek >> Sent: 28 November 2016 12:08 >> To: ecrit@ietf.org >> Subject: [Ecrit] Objection to draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall progressing to = state "Submitted to IESG for Publication" >>=20 >> Hello, >>=20 >> I noticed that WG state of draft-ietf-ecrit-ecall changed to = "Submitted to IESG for Publication" despite a comment (ISSUE 7 in the = attached) raised during WGLC was not resolved, even though the issue was = confirmed by other people and even though it was requested that the = issue is solved before publication request. >>=20 >> I am formally objecting to this state change. >>=20 >> Kind regards >>=20 >> Ivo Sedlacek >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Ecrit mailing list >> Ecrit@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit