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All, there's a fair chance I'll be half-an-hour la= ter tonight.=C2=A0 I'll try to call at soon as I can, just in case any = conversation is on-going.
--001a11c35aca450f7305047069dc-- From nobody Thu Oct 2 06:28:31 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906681A6FB1 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 06:28:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.287 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.287 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.786, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id acyu_GKPwHy3 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 06:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-4.cisco.com (alln-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.142.91]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82CC01A033B for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 06:28:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=472; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1412256507; x=1413466107; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=W8Vor3sh4g6oRWDIrcXqNE7zrJydP84Ewwgs/OPzydA=; b=ZtwjeIgNlngmomX5b1Sv0uoSXWKCYv6ZGH4s/zaNotGSsoj29qfUVqKE j97eO7hweCHjYTv9GvMY2yFOVOLwgz8B8INTQh5+2EVUHv8aZDXHi525x bsRsuDQrPyGaadLjGAN+hhIPYxzOqvXhhvF4WhYB8rn/mMtwKT3S2L6dN 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgsFADVSLVStJV2d/2dsb2JhbABUDIMOU1nKWwqGeVQCgQkWAXuEBAEBAwEBAQEaUQsFCwIBCA44JwslAgQOBYg2CA29IAETBI8/ATMzB4MugR0FhRQChgGGVotGlXODY2yCSgEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.04,638,1406592000"; d="scan'208";a="83428301" Received: from rcdn-core-6.cisco.com ([173.37.93.157]) by alln-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Oct 2014 13:28:26 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x09.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x09.cisco.com [173.37.183.83]) by rcdn-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s92DSPm4008483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 2 Oct 2014 13:28:25 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x01.cisco.com ([169.254.1.211]) by xhc-rcd-x09.cisco.com ([173.37.183.83]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 08:28:25 -0500 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: Erik Kline Thread-Topic: [Efficientnd-dt] might be late tonight Thread-Index: AQHP3kMFfFOT5ZFXxUapG841BmutNpwczPYk Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 13:28:24 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/efficientnd-dt/cTAHPsJBNYWNftgLhXPvL2u_3Gk Cc: "efficientnd-dt@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Efficientnd-dt] might be late tonight X-BeenThere: efficientnd-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: 6man Efficient ND Design Team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 13:28:28 -0000 I'm afraid I may arrive a little bit late as well but I ll join asap... Pascal > Le 2 oct. 2014 =E0 15:16, Erik Kline a =E9crit : >=20 > All, there's a fair chance I'll be half-an-hour later tonight. I'll try = to call at soon as I can, just in case any conversation is on-going. > _______________________________________________ > Efficientnd-dt mailing list > Efficientnd-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/efficientnd-dt From nobody Thu Oct 2 06:43:58 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2BF1A0365 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 06:43:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bc8GbnNsxL_9 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 06:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-x22a.google.com (mail-lb0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 748BD1A0353 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 06:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f170.google.com with SMTP id u10so2297580lbd.1 for ; Thu, 02 Oct 2014 06:43:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=eREjxtY30+qovgLf0FMVr7FZc6swJK2jKriGJA3QU30=; b=lg4nv6Jj9mqaQmN3faBcnh9Jxco1lJcoVFKNBXZSOSlQ7lcwAEou/1osvewForzV7y AwJM9sUCE4aL1MrrxFxPNwmLg1epxD5N1zV/doe098qGcVh+UENcjOloIK1EgyatcG8s 9DL4drBwMofCX0ZXzbtn4RLx1dhgkolNJnPGLbUqbWzKKWDf4C3Vx37u2uUcVCHvHfh5 oAi1PDCpm2Jtl2i4TV4H8u48u/zonvMwOiIy39zAiKXYxjS9Fpa47vZHVAl5NitO+21a 8dlblc2UCA4zWDymyiLlj9x7+67+LkumhYJL7f338/8hTaQTxxxqft1N8/2j0lJP0yBT zsKg== X-Received: by 10.152.23.199 with SMTP id o7mr63711453laf.26.1412257433800; Thu, 02 Oct 2014 06:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [84.231.70.218] (84-231-70-218.elisa-mobile.fi. [84.231.70.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ld7sm1612334lac.23.2014.10.02.06.43.49 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 02 Oct 2014 06:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Jouni X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (12A405) In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 16:43:44 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <23663EB5-E348-4CF6-98BC-8F4736F0E713@gmail.com> References: To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/efficientnd-dt/GKvaJ7DrK-OaIvM9kwbBTuBXhsY Cc: Erik Kline , "efficientnd-dt@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Efficientnd-dt] might be late tonight X-BeenThere: efficientnd-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: 6man Efficient ND Design Team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 13:43:57 -0000 I will be 15 mins late.=20 Jouni --=20 Jouni Korhonen Broadcom (Sent from my mobile..) > Pascal Thubert (pthubert) kirjoitti 2.10.2014 kello 1= 6.28: >=20 > I'm afraid I may arrive a little bit late as well but I ll join asap... >=20 > Pascal >=20 >> Le 2 oct. 2014 =C3=A0 15:16, Erik Kline a =C3=A9crit : >>=20 >> All, there's a fair chance I'll be half-an-hour later tonight. I'll try t= o call at soon as I can, just in case any conversation is on-going. >> _______________________________________________ >> Efficientnd-dt mailing list >> Efficientnd-dt@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/efficientnd-dt >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Efficientnd-dt mailing list > Efficientnd-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/efficientnd-dt From nobody Thu Oct 2 09:05:37 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C66A1A8760 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 09:05:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, J_CHICKENPOX_37=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_72=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org 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http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/efficientnd-dt/Brh5Kf3bKlpIjb1tbARdco5wPx0 Subject: [Efficientnd-dt] Fwd: 6man IETF 91 Call for agenda items X-BeenThere: efficientnd-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: 6man Efficient ND Design Team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:26:09 -0000 Should we ask for some consolidated time for the design team? What drafts to folks plan on presenting in Honolulu that relate to the DT? We've talked about putting together an "issues with DAD" based on Ole's emails, and I think it would make sense to present the ideas in the draft I circulated on the list after Toronto (RS refresh). Erik -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: 6man IETF 91 Call for agenda items Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 09:31:06 +0200 From: Ole Troan To: 6man WG CC: 6man Chairs <6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org> We have asked for a two and a half hour slot in Honolulu for the 6MAN working group. If you have a draft you would like to discuss, please send your request for agenda time to the 6man chairs. Please include in the request, the title and file name of the draft, the speakers name (and email), and how much time you need. We will prioritise drafts that are working group items and drafts that have been actively discussed on the list. We expect at least half the presentation time to be used for open discussion, please plan your presentation accordingly. New drafts not discussed on the mailing list prior to the meeting, or drafts that do not appear to have support from the working group are unlikely to get time at the meeting. Please have agenda items to us by 2014-10-27 and also note the draft deadline for IETF91: 2014-10-27 (Monday): Internet Draft submission cut-off (for all drafts, including -00) by UTC 23:59 Regards, Bob & Ole -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Wed Oct 15 11:27:58 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19B91A8A84 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:27:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KRgHtWUHKlxi for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-x235.google.com (mail-lb0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D76501A6F03 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f181.google.com with SMTP id l4so1503092lbv.26 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:27:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=okKsGyUFZKQKwV9Bi/zYPmabg0S0syNTR3uzd3ZIG6E=; b=bWOM8Xl/UHjJtwsV0YO0Cekpi0p0lQBHDllbN0eatbYZ7XQ0cR1jUAHNcpdUIo6Os9 geNdFJTnpdS+c4wWQit8lfjPMTPstqVgWuHCRkRwVYxtUQNexaIE23+VV2Uy81wRC8Aj ZeWXLblKrbrkJVjqgSlryVobq76hcCCheCkFfoEUIdH7Zg88WzEK9LiJm3+A+GOEnUvn r+69BhQ+t/rPn/jR16g3rvAWy//LtflFPogdR/o7SYB7eLvM02PGQ4TJ2U59qpqLAP4I o8By0/cgnJl9RVJQQz8j+O3DCNDExNRYvrl4PKcs5tFjvQe72S/I33kMQyn61cDlYhzj ujmg== X-Received: by 10.152.7.175 with SMTP id k15mr14140532laa.58.1413397671903; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2620:f:8000:210:e192:383:ad20:8b63? ([2620:f:8000:210:e192:383:ad20:8b63]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id z4sm6942479laz.39.2014.10.15.11.27.49 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3884023E-DD03-4449-8D5E-26AE399B5B3F"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) From: Bob Hinden In-Reply-To: <543EBC3C.5000101@sonic.net> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:27:47 -0700 Message-Id: <1CBA0FA3-DBB3-4AD4-B1A7-8FA36EF6D701@gmail.com> References: <543EBC3C.5000101@sonic.net> To: Erik Nordmark X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/efficientnd-dt/iHuvVK2a1YWx-jYT8SgYi9yQMeI Cc: Bob Hinden , "efficientnd-dt@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Efficientnd-dt] Fwd: 6man IETF 91 Call for agenda items X-BeenThere: efficientnd-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: 6man Efficient ND Design Team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:27:57 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3884023E-DD03-4449-8D5E-26AE399B5B3F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Erik, I think it would be good if the design team did a report. Thanks, Bob On Oct 15, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Erik Nordmark wrote: >=20 > Should we ask for some consolidated time for the design team? > What drafts to folks plan on presenting in Honolulu that relate to the = DT? >=20 > We've talked about putting together an "issues with DAD" based on = Ole's emails, and I think it would make sense to present the ideas in = the draft I circulated on the list after Toronto (RS refresh). >=20 > Erik >=20 >=20 > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: 6man IETF 91 Call for agenda items > Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 09:31:06 +0200 > From: Ole Troan > To: 6man WG > CC: 6man Chairs <6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org> >=20 >=20 >=20 > We have asked for a two and a half hour slot in Honolulu for the 6MAN = working group. >=20 > If you have a draft you would like to discuss, please send your = request for agenda time to the 6man chairs. > Please include in the request, the title and file name of the draft, = the speakers name (and email), > and how much time you need. >=20 > We will prioritise drafts that are working group items and drafts that = have been actively discussed on the list. >=20 > We expect at least half the presentation time to be used for open = discussion, > please plan your presentation accordingly. >=20 > New drafts not discussed on the mailing list prior to the meeting, > or drafts that do not appear to have support from the working group = are unlikely to get time at the meeting. >=20 > Please have agenda items to us by 2014-10-27 and also note the draft = deadline for IETF91: > 2014-10-27 (Monday): Internet Draft submission cut-off (for all = drafts, including -00) by UTC 23:59 >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Bob & Ole >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Efficientnd-dt mailing list > Efficientnd-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/efficientnd-dt --Apple-Mail=_3884023E-DD03-4449-8D5E-26AE399B5B3F Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; 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15 Oct 2014 20:04:21 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x05.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x05.cisco.com [173.37.183.79]) by rcdn-core-10.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s9FK4Kr5002116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:04:21 GMT Received: from ams-ayourtch-8814.cisco.com (10.55.47.213) by xhc-rcd-x05.cisco.com (173.37.183.79) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.195.1; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:04:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:03:57 +0200 From: Andrew Yourtchenko X-X-Sender: ayourtch@ayourtch-mac To: Erik Nordmark In-Reply-To: <53F5A0F6.5060909@acm.org> Message-ID: References: <53F5A0F6.5060909@acm.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (OSX 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed X-Originating-IP: [10.55.47.213] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/efficientnd-dt/QXaEMRkjD37RZeifG4lq8-cSUsk Cc: "efficientnd-dt@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Efficientnd-dt] Food for thought - router-controlled RS refresh X-BeenThere: efficientnd-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: 6man Efficient ND Design Team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:04:26 -0000 Hi Erik, finally have read the draft and the comments below... First a few nits on the text: "As soon as the router(s) on a link which supports these optimizations, then the updated hosts on the link can sleep better, while co-existing on the same link with unmodified hosts." => "As soon as there are routers on a link which support ..." ? or is it "As soon as all the routers on a link support ..." ? " The key goal is to allow the operator to choose whether unicast RS refresh is more efficient that periodic multicast RAs." Maybe add "..while preserving the timely and scalable reconfiguration capabilities that a periodic RA model provides" ? " A node which implements this specification i.e., will send unicast RS refresh messages if so instructed by the router, sets the R flag in the Router Solicitation message." I had to read this twice before I could parse it :) Suggestion: parenthesize: "A node which implements this specification (i.e., will send unicast RS refresh messages if so instructed by the router), sets the R flag in the Router Solicitation message." also maybe worth explicitly saying "in all RS messages" ? "A router which implements this specification can be configured to operate without periodic multicast Router Advertisements. When the operator configures this mode of operation, then the router will ..." => rephrase "will" into "MUST" ? section 7 says: "A host implementing this specification MAY also implement [I-D.ietf-6man-resilient-rs]." OTOH in the intro there is a sencence saying that it is assumed that the host will implement resilient-rs. Looks like either SHOULD or MUST would be better here. "8.3. Multicast RA when new information" rephrase as "Multicast RA to share new information" ? ------------ And now some free-form: 1) on updating the DNA: makes sense to me, indeed. 2) on including the epoch to RS/RA: This seems interesting, something like a 64-bit blob sent by a router within RA and echoed by the host in the subsequent RSs, allowing the router to make a decision how to form the RA ? 3) We should mention what happens in the mixed-case when there are different routers on the link. the text in section "7. Host Behavior" somewhat discusses it but I'd say we should have something about it. --a On Thu, 21 Aug 2014, Erik Nordmark wrote: > I mentioned this in our Friday meeting in Toronto - finally put it on paper. > > Do folks think this is a reasonable starting point for some Design Team > output when it comes to RS/RA? > If so, should we include all the RS/RA pieces in one document? > (implementation advise, raise the max advinterval, etc) > > Erik > > From nobody Wed Oct 15 13:08:40 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6107E1AC437 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:08:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VyyNgAhctplO for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.86.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C59F31AC43D for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:07:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=31411; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1413403662; x=1414613262; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version; bh=UIg9j7anEeYX2SXtoVBMqh3wpvLUSrWllL/AGiblsGM=; b=CYPJqDv8Rl/Fen+kBu3g0sAHCihJyWY0A2U07fnD9z6SovtqyDqiUChY Pku8IjdBjTbcCmMsELSfBrJ9J9yx2UMiRJfrzhIv2/6FhgeL7jEPyAD3Y 2DmKM0SssxONuxwLJC+ocG8DGCSR4S9G3CBTM6/tbnwX8uT6pFKSVYumS I=; X-Files: draft-yourtchenko-6man-dad-issues-00.xml, draft-yourtchenko-6man-dad-issues-00.txt : 10375, 11758 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag8LAD/TPlStJA2D/2dsb2JhbABbgw5TWAS4LQUBBW6SXIhmFgF9hCFVA2xbExkCiCMNpAukXAEBCAIBH4YiiT8FBhEBAoUgBY4ehW2COIJCgX2EAhErgwqNJoN+g3lqgQgHFwYcgQIBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.04,726,1406592000"; d="xml'217?txt'217?scan'217,208,217";a="363587169" Received: from alln-core-1.cisco.com ([173.36.13.131]) by rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Oct 2014 20:07:41 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x05.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x05.cisco.com [173.37.183.79]) by alln-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s9FK7fx0031642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:07:41 GMT Received: from ams-ayourtch-8814.cisco.com (10.55.47.213) by xhc-rcd-x05.cisco.com (173.37.183.79) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.195.1; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:07:35 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:07:17 +0200 From: Andrew Yourtchenko X-X-Sender: ayourtch@ayourtch-mac To: Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (OSX 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-428483444-1413403655=:57244" X-Originating-IP: [10.55.47.213] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/efficientnd-dt/LSNQXRlC13t3ARr-Sh9Fe6k4bBg Subject: [Efficientnd-dt] "DAD issues" draft X-BeenThere: efficientnd-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: 6man Efficient ND Design Team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:08:29 -0000 --0-428483444-1413403655=:57244 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="US-ASCII" Hi all, finally I got to sit down and do the first rough pass on dad issues draft. 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charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVbIsvom9gBAKgLpdt8HhcAaL3SzdHwYIix5OMxRm4IptOVEBSKJxlwyfA2pPI6oVH2waqNp1Ra2fw++XJ+xGweY X-Sonic-ID: C;auS2/MJU5BGeRsrqBCAIFQ== M;joTF/MJU5BGeRsrqBCAIFQ== X-Sonic-Spam-Details: 0.0/5.0 by cerberusd Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/efficientnd-dt/OTllEX1sCkaqfUODsLywYsqqajs Cc: "efficientnd-dt@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Efficientnd-dt] Fwd: 6man IETF 91 Call for agenda items X-BeenThere: efficientnd-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: 6man Efficient ND Design Team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:28:41 -0000 On 10/15/14 11:27 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: > Erik, > > I think it would be good if the design team did a report. Agreed. The DT just needs to collect what we want to cover; and get things in I-Ds that make sense to document. Erik > > Thanks, > Bob > > On Oct 15, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Erik Nordmark wrote: > >> Should we ask for some consolidated time for the design team? >> What drafts to folks plan on presenting in Honolulu that relate to the DT? >> >> We've talked about putting together an "issues with DAD" based on Ole's emails, and I think it would make sense to present the ideas in the draft I circulated on the list after Toronto (RS refresh). >> >> Erik >> >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: 6man IETF 91 Call for agenda items >> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 09:31:06 +0200 >> From: Ole Troan >> To: 6man WG >> CC: 6man Chairs <6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org> >> >> >> >> We have asked for a two and a half hour slot in Honolulu for the 6MAN working group. >> >> If you have a draft you would like to discuss, please send your request for agenda time to the 6man chairs. >> Please include in the request, the title and file name of the draft, the speakers name (and email), >> and how much time you need. >> >> We will prioritise drafts that are working group items and drafts that have been actively discussed on the list. >> >> We expect at least half the presentation time to be used for open discussion, >> please plan your presentation accordingly. >> >> New drafts not discussed on the mailing list prior to the meeting, >> or drafts that do not appear to have support from the working group are unlikely to get time at the meeting. >> >> Please have agenda items to us by 2014-10-27 and also note the draft deadline for IETF91: >> 2014-10-27 (Monday): Internet Draft submission cut-off (for all drafts, including -00) by UTC 23:59 >> >> Regards, >> >> Bob & Ole >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> IETF IPv6 working group mailing list >> ipv6@ietf.org >> Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Efficientnd-dt mailing list >> Efficientnd-dt@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/efficientnd-dt > > > _______________________________________________ > Efficientnd-dt mailing list > Efficientnd-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/efficientnd-dt From nobody Thu Oct 23 10:34:05 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1B01A8AD3 for ; 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Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:33:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 19:33:35 +0200 From: Andrew Yourtchenko X-X-Sender: ayourtch@ayourtch-mac To: Erik Nordmark In-Reply-To: <543EBC3C.5000101@sonic.net> Message-ID: References: <543EBC3C.5000101@sonic.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (OSX 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="US-ASCII" X-Originating-IP: [10.55.47.215] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/efficientnd-dt/TrC3hF4ah3FYfzGqAMc98KoYhPY Cc: "efficientnd-dt@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Efficientnd-dt] Fwd: 6man IETF 91 Call for agenda items X-BeenThere: efficientnd-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: 6man Efficient ND Design Team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 17:34:03 -0000 On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, Erik Nordmark wrote: > > Should we ask for some consolidated time for the design team? > What drafts to folks plan on presenting in Honolulu that relate to the DT? > > We've talked about putting together an "issues with DAD" based on Ole's Speaking of which - I've sent the un-submitted rev for comment, did not see any yet... I'll submit tomorrow as-is tomorrow so we can discuss in Honolulu. Please anyone raise the hand and send the comments if you have any :) > emails, and I think it would make sense to present the ideas in the draft I > circulated on the list after Toronto (RS refresh). +1. RS Refresh is definitely worth presenting. --a > > Erik > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: 6man IETF 91 Call for agenda items > Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 09:31:06 +0200 > From: Ole Troan > To: 6man WG > CC: 6man Chairs <6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org> > > > > We have asked for a two and a half hour slot in Honolulu for the 6MAN working > group. > > If you have a draft you would like to discuss, please send your request for > agenda time to the 6man chairs. > Please include in the request, the title and file name of the draft, the > speakers name (and email), > and how much time you need. > > We will prioritise drafts that are working group items and drafts that have > been actively discussed on the list. > > We expect at least half the presentation time to be used for open discussion, > please plan your presentation accordingly. > > New drafts not discussed on the mailing list prior to the meeting, > or drafts that do not appear to have support from the working group are > unlikely to get time at the meeting. > > Please have agenda items to us by 2014-10-27 and also note the draft deadline > for IETF91: > 2014-10-27 (Monday): Internet Draft submission cut-off (for all drafts, > including -00) by UTC 23:59 > > Regards, > > Bob & Ole > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > Efficientnd-dt mailing list > Efficientnd-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/efficientnd-dt > From nobody Thu Oct 23 12:57:22 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A3AE1AD01F for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:57:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YpPTVH0_CPjf for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from banjo.employees.org (banjo.employees.org [IPv6:2001:1868:205::19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 638961AD015 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.10.30] (cm-84.215.22.20.getinternet.no [84.215.22.20]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: otroan) by banjo.employees.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DF12361C5; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:57:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Troan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 21:57:18 +0200 Message-Id: <8F1CCE56-513B-40BB-A62F-0B6E81477394@employees.org> To: Erik Nordmark Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.0 \(1990.1\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1990.1) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/efficientnd-dt/QTGg7pblW9SrAcsE5mqN3zJ8lms Cc: 6man Chairs <6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, efficientnd-dt@ietf.org Subject: [Efficientnd-dt] Efficient ND at 6man wg session X-BeenThere: efficientnd-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: 6man Efficient ND Design Team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 19:57:13 -0000 Erik, et al, we have reserved a 20 minute slot for the Efficient ND design team in = the 6man wg session. Best regards, Ole From nobody Thu Oct 23 15:05:14 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C526E1A1C05 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:05:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.61 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.61 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SeS-GzRQ30Vo for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (d.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.50]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76C451A6F64 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.22.227.199] ([162.210.130.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s9NM3gBQ028437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:03:42 -0700 Message-ID: <54497B3E.6050201@sonic.net> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:03:42 -0700 From: Erik Nordmark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ole Troan , Erik Nordmark References: <8F1CCE56-513B-40BB-A62F-0B6E81477394@employees.org> In-Reply-To: <8F1CCE56-513B-40BB-A62F-0B6E81477394@employees.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVbfWGGdNLVPUx/PCmb/yuwWA6D97Rs2GyhrM4oOOl5Ov4Mlyc7d4gIWRGs4efs2T3fRTfTUW9pL821Y65N7crCI X-Sonic-ID: C;yqltcwBb5BGuFgAb/FJGkA== M;liibcwBb5BGuFgAb/FJGkA== X-Sonic-Spam-Details: 0.0/5.0 by cerberusd Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/efficientnd-dt/LLY-NaMwMYDdp8PsmuOsu1Gevr0 Cc: 6man Chairs <6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, efficientnd-dt@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Efficientnd-dt] Efficient ND at 6man wg session X-BeenThere: efficientnd-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: 6man Efficient ND Design Team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 22:05:11 -0000 On 10/23/14 12:57 PM, Ole Troan wrote: > Erik, et al, > > we have reserved a 20 minute slot for the Efficient ND design team in the 6man wg session. OK. Thanks, Erik > > Best regards, > Ole > > _______________________________________________ > Efficientnd-dt mailing list > Efficientnd-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/efficientnd-dt > From nobody Thu Oct 23 16:28:01 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 714451A6F5D for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:27:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.61 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.61 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fI7RhN68SgWw for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (d.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.50]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 054461A1BC0 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.28.121] ([205.167.46.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s9NNRorw004241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:27:51 -0700 Message-ID: <54498EEE.8010006@sonic.net> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:27:42 -0700 From: Erik Nordmark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Yourtchenko , efficientnd-dt@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVbYr6d2NIHy3BcAM3kYRWJJxzGzXmu+6tYC77irEIRmRlfbbx4gzF6cC5CwzSaYhplUAuyeFef42Ht03vdvJV/b X-Sonic-ID: C;npCkNAxb5BGkTAAb/FJGkA== M;vqnANAxb5BGkTAAb/FJGkA== X-Sonic-Spam-Details: 0.0/5.0 by cerberusd Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/efficientnd-dt/ktdOh_1wKMGNK0TaZm9hbUL9vk4 Subject: Re: [Efficientnd-dt] "DAD issues" draft X-BeenThere: efficientnd-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: 6man Efficient ND Design Team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 23:27:57 -0000 On 10/15/14 1:07 PM, Andrew Yourtchenko wrote: > 3. Interaction with Spanning Tree Protocol > > When a port on an STP-enabled switch comes up, it goes through three > phases of Listening then Learning then Forwarding. The default is to > keep it for 15 seconds in Listening and 15 seconds in Learning > states. During this time no user traffic is forwarded by the switch > from and to this port. Therefore, if a DAD process happens during > this period it is guaranteed to not detect any duplicates. This > results in DAD being ineffective for link-local and otherwise pre > configured addresses. STP is one instance of a somewhat predictable outage. If a link uses some modems (e.g., DSL and cable modems whose up/down status is not visible to the IP stack) we could also have outages that last for tens of seconds making DAD be ineffective. Thus it might make sense to add a sentence about this being a more general issue than only STP. > 7. Partition-join tolerance > > [RFC4862] explicitly mentions this problem: "Note that the method for > detecting duplicates is not completely reliable, and it is possible > that duplicate addresses will still exist (e.g., if the link was > partitioned while Duplicate Address Detection was performed)." It might make sense to add a reference to ACD (RFC 5227) as an example of a way to detect duplicates in IPv4/ARP - at the cost of broadcast ARP responses. Erik From nobody Fri Oct 24 14:39:05 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3AE1A07BE for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 14:39:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.41 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, J_CHICKENPOX_37=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_72=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WvaeuQpi0w_z for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 14:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (c.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FCE91A0461 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 14:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.22.227.199] ([162.210.130.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s9OLcvcj015495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 24 Oct 2014 14:38:57 -0700 Message-ID: <544AC6F1.9000707@sonic.net> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 14:38:57 -0700 From: Erik Nordmark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Samita Chakrabarti , "efficientnd-dt@ietf.org" References: <53F5A0F6.5060909@acm.org> <53F5A14F.70501@sonic.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVbTkAdvSJBH/FWFmA3EkRdMn5Ga6s0w6OBBBFa73vE9Y85IJ2PX5mj8tKIV5+Oivf0SNXfsLpDfF4YMA/SHibPl X-Sonic-ID: C;rJvXKMZb5BGrH4kFBSAIFQ== M;6vj6KMZb5BGrH4kFBSAIFQ== X-Sonic-Spam-Details: 0.0/5.0 by cerberusd Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/efficientnd-dt/lSJT5jCPZgNYDtqvP89gUImBlq0 Subject: Re: [Efficientnd-dt] Food for thought - router-controlled RS refresh X-BeenThere: efficientnd-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: 6man Efficient ND Design Team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 21:39:04 -0000 On 10/2/14 9:05 AM, Samita Chakrabarti wrote: > Hello Erik, > > Finally I had some time to review the draft. Here are some of my comments: Sorry for the delay - I deferred responding until the deadline got closer. > > 1. Observation: This document is trying to cover the issue with multicasts in ND(RFC4861) and also suggesting some sort of registration ? [ Section 7.2] From efficient-nd adoption call discussions I remember some folks complained about the changes required in their clients (mobile devices?). Will they be fine now with the new option and changes in the host with this new option? Sorry, that mention of registration was a cut and paste error. Should be about refreshing prefixes etc. > > > > 2. Thoughts: IMHO, the rs-ra solution will be flexible and widely applicable with different usecases and turning on or implementing different options if it OPTIONALLY includes the ARO option as well for address registration and controlling better movement such as TID bits. In that case, the Address Registration Method can be useful for implementations that need them (both Router and host) and others can ignore them. > Address registration (ARO) itself has some benefits with reliability - we can document them for the sleepy and constrained devices that are in IPV6 network or lowpower Wifi network(in future). > However, I see that rs-ra solution still sends at least one multicast RA. That can be harmful in some networks. > What about subnets with new and legacy hosts? What should the router do - keep sending multicast RA? I think we can keep any use of explicit (or implicit) registrations orthogonal to the RS refresh. > > 3. Other comments ( mostly editorial): > > Section -1 : (Introduction) > > > "However, on for instance WiFi links > the performance and reliability for multicast is quite different than > for unicast (see for instance [I-D.vyncke-6man-mcast-not-efficient]). > Cellular networks which employ paging and support sleeping hosts have > different issues (see e.g., [I-D.garneij-6man-nd-m2m-issues] that > would benefit from having the hosts wake up and request information > from the routers instead of the routers periodically multicasting the > information." > > ==> This sentence can be broken down into two sentences to be simpler. Now it is complex to understand . Done. > > Section 2. > " > refresh is more efficient that periodic multicast RAs" ===> refresh is more efficient *than* periodic multicast RA Fixed. > > Section 4. > > It'd be good to clarify the sequence of messaging here. It would provide a clear picture in the beginning about the sequence of Router and Host messages. [ I can volunteer to provide some picture and text here] I don't know what is complex. Still the case that host sends RS and routers send RA. > > Also, I am not clear what happens in the mixed environment where both hosts exist -- RTO enabled or legacy? If this draft recommends homogeneous environment for all practical purposes in order to take advantage of efficiency then it might be worthwhile to say that upfront and simplify the solution. > Learning from efficient-nd : supporting MIXED MODE is complex and can't solve problems really. > > For example: If the Router receives ARO/RTO, it expects that nodes in this network will register itself periodically. Of-course it is up to the deployment how the router would be configured but the draft can always recommend. There is a section on routers verifying the consistency of the RAs with other routers. I'm adding some text in the host section as well. > > > Section 7.2: > " When a host wakes up it can combine movement detecting (DNA), NUD, > and refreshing its Address Registration by sending a unicast RA to" > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > What is this "address registration" here? Should it be "unicast RS" from the host above? > We can add ARO here. s/address registration/prefixes etc/ Unicast RS is correct. > > Section 8.3: Router can multicast for changes that are applicable to ALL-nodes in the network in one shot. In future, with RTO or ARO(OPTINAL features), one should be capable of pushing RA-feature per host as well. So, if we are going to use SHOULD/MUST, we might take the per-host consideration into account. I'll add that possibility. > > Finally, if the DT agrees to put forward this document, then it would be good to add multiple co-authors in the document. Efficient-nd co-authors could be able to do a summary analysis of differences between the two and how this one might be a better solution as a middle-ground. Other option is to keep two separate solutions. But I think it's better to have one document with options for implementations. I'm open to multiple authors - but need to decide before Monday. Thanks for your comments. Erik > > > Thanks, > -Samita > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Efficientnd-dt [mailto:efficientnd-dt-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Erik Nordmark > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:36 AM > To:efficientnd-dt@ietf.org > Subject: [Efficientnd-dt] Food for thought - router-controlled RS refresh > > > I mentioned this in our Friday meeting in Toronto - finally put it on paper. > > Do folks think this is a reasonable starting point for some Design Team output when it comes to RS/RA? > If so, should we include all the RS/RA pieces in one document? > (implementation advise, raise the max advinterval, etc) > > Erik > > > > > From nobody Fri Oct 24 15:13:32 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981811A6EE9 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 15:13:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.61 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.61 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AsQ3Ga3n31rI for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 15:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (c.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A3A31A1A05 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 15:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.22.239.88] ([162.210.130.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s9OMDGOC016499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 24 Oct 2014 15:13:17 -0700 Message-ID: <544ACEFC.4010403@sonic.net> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 15:13:16 -0700 From: Erik Nordmark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Yourtchenko , Erik Nordmark References: <53F5A0F6.5060909@acm.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVbZCAdv6YKm0zp7eg8cOMbrUg1bweGHGAFZeQHHtstUiuBZAkJ0xCqs78kwuakJKD+msKgUr+beqk0fV2GAIOx5 X-Sonic-ID: C;quAZ9Mpb5BGwHIkFBSAIFQ== M;fn9q9Mpb5BGwHIkFBSAIFQ== X-Sonic-Spam-Details: 0.0/5.0 by cerberusd Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/efficientnd-dt/RU0O1YxbtdvsBOlanOVlYglU1tY Cc: "efficientnd-dt@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Efficientnd-dt] Food for thought - router-controlled RS refresh X-BeenThere: efficientnd-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: 6man Efficient ND Design Team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 22:13:30 -0000 On 10/15/14 1:03 PM, Andrew Yourtchenko wrote: > Hi Erik, > > finally have read the draft and the comments below... > > First a few nits on the text: > > "As soon as the router(s) on a link > which supports these optimizations, then the updated hosts on the > link can sleep better, while co-existing on the same link with > unmodified hosts." > > => "As soon as there are routers on a link which support ..." ? > > or is it "As soon as all the routers on a link support ..." ? Clarified that any routers if sufficient. (But if some routers still send periodic multicast RAs it depends on the host implementation whether it will wake up from those all-nodes RAs.) > > " The key goal is to allow the operator to choose whether unicast RS > refresh is more efficient that periodic multicast RAs." > > Maybe add "..while preserving the timely and scalable reconfiguration > capabilities that a periodic RA model provides" ? Added. > > " A node which implements this specification i.e., will send unicast RS > refresh messages if so instructed by the router, sets the R flag in > the Router Solicitation message." > > I had to read this twice before I could parse it :) It should say "A node which implements this specification sets the R flag in the Router Solicitation message. That allows the router to determine whether there are legacy hosts on the link." > > Suggestion: parenthesize: "A node which implements this specification > (i.e., will send unicast RS > refresh messages if so instructed by the router), sets the R flag in > the Router Solicitation message." We don't need to say what it means to implement the specification. > > also maybe worth explicitly saying "in all RS messages" ? OK > > "A router which implements this specification can be configured to > operate without periodic multicast Router Advertisements. When the > operator configures this mode of operation, then the router will ..." > > => rephrase "will" into "MUST" ? Done but it is an unneeded use of MUST. > > section 7 says: > > "A host implementing this specification MAY also implement > [I-D.ietf-6man-resilient-rs]." > > OTOH in the intro there is a sencence saying that it is assumed that > the host will implement resilient-rs. Looks like either SHOULD or MUST > would be better here. I've strengthened that to a SHOULD. If we have a good argument for a MUST I wouldn't mind changing it, but don't yet have a good argument. > > "8.3. Multicast RA when new information" > > rephrase as "Multicast RA to share new information" ? Combined with Samita's comment about unicast being an option, I've changed the section heading to "Unsolicited RAs to share new information" > > ------------ > > And now some free-form: > > 1) on updating the DNA: makes sense to me, indeed. Just have to figure out the logistics. I guess we can later add a section in this document with updates to that RFC (which would say to use unicast RS instead of unicast NS for DNA purposes) > > 2) on including the epoch to RS/RA: This seems interesting, something > like > a 64-bit blob sent by a router within RA and echoed by the host in the > subsequent RSs, allowing the router to make a decision how to form the > RA ? Yep - if the RS has the current number, then the RA doesn't need any options (other than the epoch option). But this would just be a form of compression - merely saves bits on the wire (and a bit of CPU on the router and host). > > 3) We should mention what happens in the mixed-case when there are > different routers on the link. the text in section "7. Host Behavior" > somewhat discusses it but I'd say we should have something about it. I've added some more text. Thanks for your comments, Erik > > --a > > On Thu, 21 Aug 2014, Erik Nordmark wrote: > >> I mentioned this in our Friday meeting in Toronto - finally put it on >> paper. >> >> Do folks think this is a reasonable starting point for some Design >> Team output when it comes to RS/RA? >> If so, should we include all the RS/RA pieces in one document? >> (implementation advise, raise the max advinterval, etc) >> >> Erik >> >> > From nobody Fri Oct 24 16:41:44 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F4E1A1ACA for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:41:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.777 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.777 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_ASCII_ART_SPACINGc=0.833, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H1HmkQiHX-E9 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (d.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.50]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B4941A1A34 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.71] (70-36-183-122.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [70.36.183.122]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s9ONfZiN024360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:41:35 -0700 Message-ID: <544AE3AF.8060302@sonic.net> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:41:35 -0700 From: Erik Nordmark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "efficientnd-dt@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000107050909040803000507" X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVbOOcra7/hvRCU/s9cSa3bGkOUUGtm/wf45heBmne7OyK/mro+OwWPZeIZcF4ykBibM6WgMKtlGu1D+kr903j87 X-Sonic-ID: C;BF68Stdb5BGG6gAb/FJGkA== M;EPnOStdb5BGG6gAb/FJGkA== X-Sonic-Spam-Details: 0.0/5.0 by cerberusd Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/efficientnd-dt/_Rf04dCxlN5KyhalUWfw62DXzBU Subject: [Efficientnd-dt] Updated RS refresh draft X-BeenThere: efficientnd-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: 6man Efficient ND Design Team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 23:41:43 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000107050909040803000507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Based on your comments. 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([147.117.188.124]) by EUSAAHC006.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.90]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 03:42:53 -0400 From: Suresh Krishnan To: Andrew Yourtchenko , "efficientnd-dt@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Efficientnd-dt] "DAD issues" draft Thread-Index: AQHP6LPSFjZ5Zwfy1Ui3JVrSFwzI+w== Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 07:42:53 +0000 Message-ID: References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.12] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFjrOLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPlO6s+b4hBhNXalp8bZ7HZvHi001G ByaPKb83snosWfKTKYApissmJTUnsyy1SN8ugSvj1+PDjAU/WCoWvvBrYPzC3MXIySEhYCJx fN1+JghbTOLCvfVsXYxcHEICRxglGlfOYodwljNK/Ov4ywpSxQbUsWHnZ7AOEYEkiePXN4DF hQUMJJo2nGKDiBtKLDt6FcrWk3g4+SGQzcHBIqAqse8aL0iYV8BX4tPNZkYQW0jATuLHvUNg BzECHfH91Bqw8cwC4hK3nsyHOk5AYsme81BHi0q8fPyPFcJWkpjz+hozRL2OxILdn9ggbG2J 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Looks good. Couple of more quick items to add = =0A= in bullet form.=0A= =0A= * DupAddrDetectTransmits can be configured to zero.=0A= * Anycast addresses. DAD is not done for them=0A= * Legacy 2462 clients that do DAD only once per IID (and not per address).= =0A= * Presence of DAD proxy (RFC6957)=0A= =0A= Thanks=0A= Suresh=0A= =0A= On 10/15/2014 04:08 PM, Andrew Yourtchenko wrote:=0A= > Hi all,=0A= >=0A= > finally I got to sit down and do the first rough pass on dad issues draft= .=0A= >=0A= > Looking forward to your feedback.=0A= >=0A= > --a=0A= >=0A= =0A= From nobody Mon Oct 27 06:26:56 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92981A923E for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 06:26:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2RKVjvz7wwze for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 06:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com [173.37.86.80]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 573011AC416 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 06:26:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1741; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1414416401; x=1415626001; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id: references:mime-version; bh=jpxW6WLkkwVNGC1a54InEuU0qtN2HHJEVIEkNbzWm90=; b=QzmNR0rlpObObvMeG7FpAhuqy4xSbdw9tWA6EAYDn4q6xOR5R2AXb0gO +qoa5iQeKh7aqwreRKgml9l97W1kYEqEyojFoo/I0DjCk56d5zvb5X4PY O6VUHfkYVJ2fkwads+3h2qvkTDAKV+9z0cg+qmWrbUvg4Sr5MqV6+Klbc Q=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AukLABJHTlStJA2F/2dsb2JhbABcgw6BMLlMBQF0mkMCgRoWAX2EAgEBAQMBOAIzDAULCxguVwYOiD0JylcBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEahjSKVAeESwWPaaQmg3mCM4EDAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.04,796,1406592000"; d="scan'208";a="363647758" Received: from alln-core-11.cisco.com ([173.36.13.133]) by rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com with ESMTP; 27 Oct 2014 13:26:41 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x03.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x03.cisco.com [173.36.12.77]) by alln-core-11.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s9RDQeDI016993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:26:40 GMT Received: from ams-ayourtch-8815.cisco.com (10.55.47.214) by xhc-aln-x03.cisco.com (173.36.12.77) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.195.1; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 08:26:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 14:26:22 +0100 From: Andrew Yourtchenko X-X-Sender: ayourtch@ayourtch-mac To: Erik Nordmark In-Reply-To: <54498EEE.8010006@sonic.net> Message-ID: References: <54498EEE.8010006@sonic.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (OSX 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed X-Originating-IP: [10.55.47.214] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/efficientnd-dt/wA4vrKJ460f6pGszE5ouN_MLiMQ Cc: efficientnd-dt@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Efficientnd-dt] "DAD issues" draft X-BeenThere: efficientnd-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: 6man Efficient ND Design Team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:26:43 -0000 Erik, On Thu, 23 Oct 2014, Erik Nordmark wrote: > On 10/15/14 1:07 PM, Andrew Yourtchenko wrote: >> 3. Interaction with Spanning Tree Protocol >> >> When a port on an STP-enabled switch comes up, it goes through three >> phases of Listening then Learning then Forwarding. The default is to >> keep it for 15 seconds in Listening and 15 seconds in Learning >> states. During this time no user traffic is forwarded by the switch >> from and to this port. Therefore, if a DAD process happens during >> this period it is guaranteed to not detect any duplicates. This >> results in DAD being ineffective for link-local and otherwise pre >> configured addresses. > > STP is one instance of a somewhat predictable outage. > If a link uses some modems (e.g., DSL and cable modems whose up/down status > is not visible to the IP stack) we could also have outages that last for tens > of seconds making DAD be ineffective. Thus it might make sense to add a > sentence about this being a more general issue than only STP. Thanks - reworded to generalize. > > >> 7. Partition-join tolerance >> >> [RFC4862] explicitly mentions this problem: "Note that the method for >> detecting duplicates is not completely reliable, and it is possible >> that duplicate addresses will still exist (e.g., if the link was >> partitioned while Duplicate Address Detection was performed)." > It might make sense to add a reference to ACD (RFC 5227) as an example of a > way to detect duplicates in IPv4/ARP - at the cost of broadcast ARP > responses. Added a reference. we can discuss the better wording later. Thanks a lot for the comments! --a > > Erik > From nobody Mon Oct 27 06:30:03 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: efficientnd-dt@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0FEF1A6FCF for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 06:29:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EmCZPRiwbXdu for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 06:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-6.cisco.com (alln-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.142.93]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEB641A8737 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 06:29:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1158; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1414416583; x=1415626183; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id: references:mime-version; bh=+GxntqG7uJHbQEGifyBZobRB9Mhm/EHVus65QncTP+s=; b=Dv6yFvDLb0jd6MPk34TSRau59lsX2OiPJsZdZe0tT5jI/5Z1eFwhFBsR lJboOp8OTGQc1OiATLR5fdHbxZ5cqBoJUVUuXNmU/Ew6ZWCMCDAGi9dSH r4YECxAmXPcyJVgqXgIzpOCI4UNYkpS6Nn52Gjf+/EOHVXRMAjx6JbeUU U=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AusLALtHTlStJV2c/2dsb2JhbABcgw6BMLlMBQF0lyODIAKBGhYBfYQCAQEBAwE4Aj8FCwsYLlcGDog9CcpXAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBGoY0ilQHhEsBBI9pjymQfYQAg3mCM4EDAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.04,796,1406592000"; d="scan'208";a="90657061" Received: from rcdn-core-5.cisco.com ([173.37.93.156]) by alln-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 27 Oct 2014 13:29:42 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x03.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x03.cisco.com [173.36.12.77]) by rcdn-core-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s9RDTgam018994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:29:42 GMT Received: from ams-ayourtch-8815.cisco.com (10.55.47.214) by xhc-aln-x03.cisco.com (173.36.12.77) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.195.1; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 08:29:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 14:29:22 +0100 From: Andrew Yourtchenko X-X-Sender: ayourtch@ayourtch-mac To: Suresh Krishnan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (OSX 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed X-Originating-IP: [10.55.47.214] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/efficientnd-dt/lLoK3thC3y6tfqNXXfU5LBSLMeE Cc: "efficientnd-dt@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Efficientnd-dt] "DAD issues" draft X-BeenThere: efficientnd-dt@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: 6man Efficient ND Design Team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:29:44 -0000 Hi Suresh, thanks for the review and comments, some replies inline... On Mon, 27 Oct 2014, Suresh Krishnan wrote: > Hi Andrew, > Went through the draft. Looks good. Couple of more quick items to add > in bullet form. > > * DupAddrDetectTransmits can be configured to zero. Why would that be a problem ? An ability to turn the feature off (since this is the explicit purpose in the original standard) seems to be an important feature, rather than a bug, so I've omitted this point for now - we can discuss later of course and add it into next rev if I misunderstood something. > * Anycast addresses. DAD is not done for them Added. > * Legacy 2462 clients that do DAD only once per IID (and not per address). Added. > * Presence of DAD proxy (RFC6957) Added in a form of generic item that the DAD, if changed, must remain backwards compatible and not break DAD proxies. --a > > Thanks > Suresh > > On 10/15/2014 04:08 PM, Andrew Yourtchenko wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> finally I got to sit down and do the first rough pass on dad issues draft. >> >> Looking forward to your feedback. >> >> --a >>