From nobody Wed Sep 29 09:28:00 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: emailcore@ietf.org Delivered-To: emailcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917E73A00DE; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 09:27:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: emailcore-chairs@ietf.org, emailcore@ietf.org, lflynn@amsl.com, superuser@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.38.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <163293287656.10937.13844462478776110178@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 09:27:57 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Emailcore] emailcore - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 112 X-BeenThere: emailcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: EMAILCORE proposed working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 16:27:58 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Liz Flynn, on behalf of the emailcore working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Revision of core Email specifications Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area Session Requester: Liz Flynn Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 50 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair conflict: extra jmap dmarc uta Technology overlap: calext dispatch secdispatch Key participant conflict: gendispatch wpack People who must be present: Pete Resnick Alexey Melnikov Murray Kucherawy Dr. John C. Klensin Todd Herr Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Wed Sep 29 20:01:22 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: emailcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: emailcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1D93A0FB0 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 20:01:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=episteme.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3D_A1hEidPIG for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 20:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from helm.helm.episteme.net (helm.helm.episteme.net [209.51.32.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1CAE3A0FAF for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 20:01:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=episteme.net; s=mail; t=1632970874; bh=DkZ18YJLgqgkRgIc6Y/SU5mfFKBqVbRDDEsXEuGSpdI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=cxuVG7OmVYxgkn2aL1QEMg7JFum7TKvz64wQqKt9Jyh9A931uJIpjvWwwrGanwGVE Zb5kHvUtPaPTfnVKt55GSLjYpzR3VY9j2EATJN1P0NHKcadOPI3RFAtwjpeXAGBIGF utejZJx8Gem7qPf2qOaDaM5wa7Y7dJ1cJGtaTZNQ= From: Pete Resnick To: John Levine Cc: emailcore@ietf.org Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 22:01:07 -0500 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.14r5820) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20201007204619.243722312B5C@ary.qy> References: <20201007204619.243722312B5C@ary.qy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: [Emailcore] Closing the loop on ticket #39 (Was: erratum 2950, I-D Action: draft-ietf-emailcore-rfc5322bis-00.txt) X-BeenThere: emailcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: EMAILCORE proposed working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 03:01:21 -0000 Found this old message while finishing up the new version of 5322bis: On 7 Oct 2020, at 15:46, John Levine wrote: > In article <160200528245.32425.2250633164754152213@ietfa.amsl.com> you > write: >> Title : Internet Message Format >> Author : Peter W. Resnick >> Filename : draft-ietf-emailcore-rfc5322bis-00.txt >> Pages : 56 >> Date : 2020-10-06 > > In the interest of moving things along, I see a question about > whether we should change the "fields" ABNF per erratum 2950. > > That one's easy: no. The author of the erratum misunderstands how ABNF > works. In particular there is no promise that ABNF will produce a > unique parse for any valid string, only that it will match every valid > string. While no harm is done by changing the "*" to "1*" before the resent fields (since the enclosing production is a "*" and the other portion of that production is also optional), it is also unnecessary for the reasons John notes. So I suggest closing issue, changing the erratum to "Reject" (giving this explanation), and making no change in the document. Updated the comments on this in -02 (coming out in just a few minutes). pr -- Pete Resnick https://www.episteme.net/ All connections to the world are tenuous at best From nobody Wed Sep 29 20:04:48 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: emailcore@ietf.org Delivered-To: emailcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2A13A0FC2; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 20:04:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: emailcore@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.38.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: emailcore@ietf.org Message-ID: <163297108544.16064.14982195470458846656@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 20:04:45 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Emailcore] I-D Action: draft-ietf-emailcore-rfc5322bis-02.txt X-BeenThere: emailcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: EMAILCORE proposed working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 03:04:46 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Revision of core Email specifications WG of the IETF. Title : Internet Message Format Author : Peter W. Resnick Filename : draft-ietf-emailcore-rfc5322bis-02.txt Pages : 57 Date : 2021-09-29 Abstract: This document specifies the Internet Message Format (IMF), a syntax for text messages that are sent between computer users, within the framework of "electronic mail" messages. This specification is a revision of Request For Comments (RFC) 5322, itself a revision of Request For Comments (RFC) 2822, all of which supersede Request For Comments (RFC) 822, "Standard for the Format of ARPA Internet Text Messages", updating it to reflect current practice and incorporating incremental changes that were specified in other RFCs. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-emailcore-rfc5322bis/ There is also an HTML version available at: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-emailcore-rfc5322bis-02.html A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-emailcore-rfc5322bis-02 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Sep 29 20:10:08 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: emailcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: emailcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED1A3A1041 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 20:09:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=episteme.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NXQvRcfS3W_l for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 20:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from helm.helm.episteme.net (helm.helm.episteme.net [209.51.32.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64BAB3A0FF0 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 20:09:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=episteme.net; s=mail; t=1632971391; bh=yezPOW1K92qrGWpnbLJIuDZtST6LL7oZNpIE1rD0p30=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=cSRIULooVOE9NnxFUZc/mI0W3N9xY2AKx9n4PbHBrKfTblKM7vqGnPIs6qGbrlwUP XxcEE4ahtZkNO9fnJrcczgebD2VbLTDKOwOnzm/vRdwnf3mn1ufwfDD8okAZfl/J7v LX6+C0e2tAe+m15pEZCbGnA3QTpGfy/qvAKK2uzg= From: Pete Resnick To: emailcore@ietf.org Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 22:09:49 -0500 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.14r5820) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <163297108544.16064.14982195470458846656@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <163297108544.16064.14982195470458846656@ietfa.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MailMate_6DAAF691-72F7-4660-96FA-A1917DA6B7A1_=" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Emailcore] I-D Action: draft-ietf-emailcore-rfc5322bis-02.txt X-BeenThere: emailcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: EMAILCORE proposed working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 03:10:07 -0000 --=_MailMate_6DAAF691-72F7-4660-96FA-A1917DA6B7A1_= Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; markup=markdown This should close out Ticket #7, and my previous note regarding Ticket #39 is mentioned at the end of the change log in the document. The only other outstanding ticket on the document is Ticket #37, regarding "printable" vs. "visible" (vs. maybe "graphic" or something else). That discussion kind of drifted off, so if there's a conclusion I'd appreciate a chair making a call, or if not then a chair getting that discussion finished. pr On 29 Sep 2021, at 22:04, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Revision of core Email specifications > WG of the IETF. > > Title : Internet Message Format > Author : Peter W. Resnick > Filename : draft-ietf-emailcore-rfc5322bis-02.txt > Pages : 57 > Date : 2021-09-29 > > Abstract: > This document specifies the Internet Message Format (IMF), a syntax > for text messages that are sent between computer users, within the > framework of "electronic mail" messages. This specification is a > revision of Request For Comments (RFC) 5322, itself a revision of > Request For Comments (RFC) 2822, all of which supersede Request For > Comments (RFC) 822, "Standard for the Format of ARPA Internet Text > Messages", updating it to reflect current practice and > incorporating > incremental changes that were specified in other RFCs. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-emailcore-rfc5322bis/ > > There is also an HTML version available at: > https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-emailcore-rfc5322bis-02.html > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-emailcore-rfc5322bis-02 > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ -- Pete Resnick https://www.episteme.net/ All connections to the world are tenuous at best --=_MailMate_6DAAF691-72F7-4660-96FA-A1917DA6B7A1_= Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This should close out Ticket #7, and my previous note reg= arding Ticket #39 is mentioned at the end of the change log in the docume= nt. The only other outstanding ticket on the document is Ticket #37, rega= rding "printable" vs. "visible" (vs. maybe "graphic" or something else). = That discussion kind of drifted off, so if there's a conclusion I'd appre= ciate a chair making a call, or if not then a chair getting that discussi= on finished.

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On 29 Sep 2021, at 22:04, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:<= /p>

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Intern= et-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Revision of core Email specifications WG= of the IETF.

    Title        =
   : Internet Message Format
    Author          : Peter W. Resnick
Filename        : draft-ietf-emailcore-rfc5322bis-02.txt
Pages           : 57
Date            : 2021-09-29

Abstract:
This document specifies the Internet Message Format (IMF), a syntax
for text messages that are sent between computer users, within the
framework of "electronic mail" messages. This specification is a
revision of Request For Comments (RFC) 5322, itself a revision of
Request For Comments (RFC) 2822, all of which supersede Request For
Comments (RFC) 822, "Standard for the Format of ARPA Internet Text
Messages", updating it to reflect current practice and incorporating
incremental changes that were specified in other RFCs.

The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ema= ilcore-rfc5322bis/

There is also an HTML version available at:
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-iet= f-emailcore-rfc5322bis-02.html

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-= ietf-emailcore-rfc5322bis-02

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp:= //ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

--
Pete Resnick https://www.episteme.net/
All connections to the world are tenuous at best

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