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Please note the change to the draft submission deadlines.

Tom and Nevil

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Hi all:

First, welcome to our new WG co-chair, Thomas Nadeau,
replacing Bruce Nordman, who has stepped down.

Now, here's a first guess at our agenda for the Berlin Meeting.
Since it is a very first draft, it's open to changes.
Right now I don't know who will be presenting each of the current
drafts, that's why the parentheses below are empty ().

If you have material you'd like to present, please let me know.

After a long time and a lot of hard work, the Framework authors
expect to have a new version published before the meeting draft
deadline, 15 July.  When that's published, please read it and
comment on the list!

Cheers, Nevil

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Energy Management WG (eman)
Agenda for IETF 87, Berlin  (agenda-00)
Monday, 29 July 2013, 0900-1130, Schoenberg 1/2
==================================================

Chairs:
Nevil Brownlee  <n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz>
Thomas Nadeau   <tnadeau@lucidvision.com>

AGENDA:

1. Note Well, Agenda review, Scribes                        =  5 min

2. Update from last meeting / WG Status (Nevil)             = 10 min
      Entity MIB (Version 4)
        Published as RFC 6933
      EMAN Requirements
        In RFC Ed queue since 2 May

3. Current charter work items                               = 20 min
    a) Energy Management Framework ()
         draft-ietf-eman-framework-07

    b) Energy-aware Networks and Devices MIB ()
         draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-08, 19 Apr 13

    c) Power and Energy Monitoring MIB ()
         draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-05, 22 Apr 13

    d) Definition of Managed Objects for Battery Monitoring ()
         draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-08, 19 Apr 13

    e) Energy Management (EMAN) Applicability Statement ()
         draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-03, 18 Apr 13

5. Other drafts (if time permits)

6. Any Other Business                                       =  5 min

Presentation slides will be available at
   https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/meeting_materials.cgi?meeting_num=87
   (search for EMAN in the Operations and Management Area)

Participation via jabber is offered at ipfix@jabber.ietf.org

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#35: Clarify how relationship model and power interface model

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#4: Reorganise sections

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#30: Power State and Power State Sets introduction

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#37: Determine how best to include PWG power states

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#31: Clarify what is optional to implment in the UML

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
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 This draft is a work item of the Energy Management Working Group of the IE=
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	Title           : Energy Management Framework
	Author(s)       : Benoit Claise
                          John Parello
                          Brad Schoening
                          Juergen Quittek
	Filename        : draft-ietf-eman-framework-08.txt
	Pages           : 63
	Date            : 2013-07-09

Abstract:
        This document defines a framework for providing Energy
        Management for devices and device components within or
        connected to communication networks.  The framework defines an
        Energy Management Domain as a set of Energy Objects. Each
        Energy Object is identified, classified and given context.
        Energy Objects can be monitored and controlled with respect to
        Power, Power State, Energy, Demand, Power Attributes, and
        Battery.  Additionally the framework models relationships and
        capabilities between Energy Objects.


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Hi all!


We have a new framework draft ready for review here on the list and for dis=
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This revision is a major edit and we've tracked changes and issues here:
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/eman/trac/report/6

Please review and comment.
Most importantly we have a shorthand pseudo code for the information model =
we are proposing and would like feedback and comments from you all.

Thanks!


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
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 This draft is a work item of the Energy Management Working Group of the IE=
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	Title           : Energy Management Framework
	Author(s)       : Benoit Claise
                          John Parello
                          Brad Schoening
                          Juergen Quittek
	Filename        : draft-ietf-eman-framework-08.txt
	Pages           : 63
	Date            : 2013-07-09

Abstract:
        This document defines a framework for providing Energy
        Management for devices and device components within or
        connected to communication networks.  The framework defines an
        Energy Management Domain as a set of Energy Objects. Each
        Energy Object is identified, classified and given context.
        Energy Objects can be monitored and controlled with respect to
        Power, Power State, Energy, Demand, Power Attributes, and
        Battery.  Additionally the framework models relationships and
        capabilities between Energy Objects.


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I have posted a draft on an "Energy Reporting Framework"
that addresses the EMAN Requirements draft content.

I look forward to your careful review of it.  If I get substantial
comments before the Monday deadline, I will post a revised
edition, and at that time provide additional comments.

Thanks,

--Bruce

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has been successfully submitted by Bruce Nordman and posted to the
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Filename:        draft-nordman-eman-er-framework
Revision:        00
Title:           Energy Reporting Framework
Creation date:   2013-07-11
Group:           Individual Submission
Number of pages: 22
URL:
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Status:
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nordman-eman-er-framework
Htmlized:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-00


Abstract:
   Managing energy consumption of devices presents new challenges and
   issues.  The EMAN Requirements draft identifies essential
   capabilities needed to accomplish this.  This draft describes how an
   energy management system can use EMAN to gather and interpret data
   from individual devices, and how some of the Requirements are
   implemented in the model.  This document focuses on Energy Reporting,
   though acknowledges and fully includes the limited control functions
   specified in the Requirements draft.  Topics addressed in detail
   include the topology of power distribution, reporting mechanisms, and
   the various roles of devices, power interfaces, and components.




The IETF Secretariat




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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>I have posted a draft on an &quot;Ener=
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A new version of I-D, draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-00.txt<br>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
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 This draft is a work item of the Energy Management Working Group of the IE=
TF.

	Title           : Energy Object Context MIB
	Author(s)       : John Parello
                          Benoit Claise
                          Mouli Chandramouli
	Filename        : draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-09.txt
	Pages           : 33
	Date            : 2013-07-12

Abstract:
        This document defines a subset of a Management Information Base
        (MIB) for energy management of devices. The module addresses
        device identification, context information, and the
        relationships between reporting devices, remote devices, and
        monitoring devices.

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Hello all,

An updated version of the Energy Object Context MIB has been submitted.

Some of the changes are:

1. In accordance with the changes in the Framework draft, Proxy
Relationship has been removed
2. An IANA controlled Textual Convention for the energy object
relationship has been introduced.
3. Other edits and comments from reviews are updated.

Thanks
John, Benoit, Mouli

On 12/07/13 3:19 PM, "internet-drafts@ietf.org" <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
wrote:

>
>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Energy Management Working Group of the
>IETF.
>
>	Title           : Energy Object Context MIB
>	Author(s)       : John Parello
>                          Benoit Claise
>                          Mouli Chandramouli
>	Filename        : draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-09.txt
>	Pages           : 33
>	Date            : 2013-07-12
>
>Abstract:
>        This document defines a subset of a Management Information Base
>        (MIB) for energy management of devices. The module addresses
>        device identification, context information, and the
>        relationships between reporting devices, remote devices, and
>        monitoring devices.
>
>    =20
>
>The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib
>
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>http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-09
>
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>http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-09
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Hi all:

The current version of our agenda is now available at

   http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/87/agenda/agenda-87-eman

If you haven't done so yet, please take a look at the new revision
of our framework draft
   http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-framework/

We need feedback on this, not least so that we can have an informed
discussion in Berlin, but also so that we can start its WG Last Call
soon after that meeting!

Cheers, Nevil

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.
 This draft is a work item of the Energy Management Working Group of the IE=
TF.

	Title           : Definition of Managed Objects for Battery Monitoring
	Author(s)       : Juergen Quittek
                          Rolf Winter
                          Thomas Dietz
	Filename        : draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-09.txt
	Pages           : 33
	Date            : 2013-07-15

Abstract:
   This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
   for use with network management protocols in the Internet community.
   In particular, it defines managed objects that provide information on
   the status of batteries in managed devices.


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Dear all,

We just posted an update of the BATTERY-MIB module. The revision solves all=
 open issues we had in the previous version. Particularly it
  - fully integrates the ENTITY-MIB version 4 as mandatory component
  - has new notifications for battery removal and insertion
  - has a new notification for a 'critical' charging state of the battery
  - has merged the two notifications for high and low temperature into a si=
ngle one
  - has a new notification for charging state changes that are locally init=
iated
  - extends four notifications by means to report not necessarily always on=
 an entire battery, but also on particular cells within the battery

We have two open issues still listed in the draft. One is on the treatment =
of IDs in case of battery replacements. I hope we can discuss this at the s=
ession in Berlin. The other one is rather a homework for the authors: imple=
mentation compliance statements for the new notifications need to be revisi=
ted.

Please have a look at the draft and send your comments.

Thanks,
    Juergen


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	Title           : Power and Energy Monitoring MIB
	Author(s)       : Mouli Chandramouli
                          Brad Schoening
                          Juergen Quittek
                          Thomas Dietz
                          Benoit Claise
	Filename        : draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-06.txt
	Pages           : 78
	Date            : 2013-07-15

Abstract:
        This document defines a subset of the Management Information
        Base (MIB) for power and energy monitoring of devices.

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Hi all:

The latest version of our agenda is now available at

   http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/87/agenda/agenda-87-eman

Don't forget to read the Framework draft!

Cheers, Nevil

PS: To presenters - since our session is in the first time-slot of
     the week, please send me your slides by about 1800 on Sunday
     28 July (or earlier) so that I can get them onto the Meeting
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Hello,

An updated version EMAN Monitoring MIB has been submitted.

Some of the important changes are:

1.  Definition of Power States has been moved to EMAN Framework draft.
    The current draft focusses on the IANA considerations for the Textual
Convention IANAPowerStateSet
    In line with the Power State Sets defined in the EMAN Framework

2.  Thanks for the many comments and suggestion of Alan Luchuk and an MIB
OID has been added to enable/disable PowerState Notifications.

Remaining open issues can be closed once the Framework draft is finalised.

Thanks
Mouli

On 15/07/13 10:37 PM, "internet-drafts@ietf.org"
<internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

>
>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Energy Management Working Group of the
>IETF.
>
>	Title           : Power and Energy Monitoring MIB
>	Author(s)       : Mouli Chandramouli
>                          Brad Schoening
>                          Juergen Quittek
>                          Thomas Dietz
>                          Benoit Claise
>	Filename        : draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-06.txt
>	Pages           : 78
>	Date            : 2013-07-15
>
>Abstract:
>        This document defines a subset of the Management Information
>        Base (MIB) for power and energy monitoring of devices.
>
>    =20
>
>The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib
>
>There's also a htmlized version available at:
>http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-06
>
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I have updated the Energy Reporting Framework (ERF) draft that I posted
last week.

The -01 version:
--has some wording changes to clarify some points,
--fixes reference formatting,
--adds brand and model fields to the basic data, and
--adds and drops some outstanding issues.

I believe that this document is the best one we have available that meets
the charter needs for the framework for EMAN.

Compared to content of draft-ietf-eman-framework-08, the ERF is
simpler while having more capabilities, and so should be easier
to implement and use.  Compared to the presentation of
draft-ietf-eman-framework-08, the ERF is much shorter and I
believe much more accessible to a variety of audiences - which
will be important for EMAN to be successful.

I look forward to comments on the list on how to improve this
draft for a version -02.  I am unable to be in Berlin but this draft
will be presented there and so I look forward to the minutes from
the meeting and any improvements to the draft that arise from that.
(I will be off email the week of the IETF meeting).

Thanks,

--Bruce

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Filename:        draft-nordman-eman-er-framework
Revision:        01
Title:           Energy Reporting Framework
Creation date:   2013-07-16
Group:           Individual Submission
Number of pages: 28
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Abstract:
   Managing energy consumption of devices presents new challenges and
   issues.  The EMAN Requirements draft identifies essential
   capabilities needed to accomplish this.  This draft describes how an
   energy management system can use EMAN to gather and interpret data
   from individual devices, and how some of the Requirements are
   implemented in the model.  This document focuses on Energy Reporting,
   though acknowledges and fully includes the limited control functions
   specified in the Requirements draft.  Topics addressed in detail
   include the topology of power distribution, reporting mechanisms, and
   the various roles of devices, power interfaces, and components.




The IETF Secretariat




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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>I have updated the Energy Reporting Framework (E=
RF) draft that I posted last week.<br><br></div>The -01 version:<br>--has s=
ome wording changes to clarify some points,<br>--fixes reference formatting=
, <br>

</div><div>--adds brand and model fields to the basic data, and<br></div><d=
iv>--adds and drops some outstanding issues.<br><br>I believe that this doc=
ument is the best one we have available that meets<br>the charter needs for=
 the framework for EMAN.<br>
<br></div><div>Compared to content of draft-ietf-eman-framework-08, the ERF=
 is <br></div><div>simpler while having more capabilities, and so should be=
 easier<br>to implement and use.=A0 Compared to the presentation of<br>draf=
t-ietf-eman-framework-08, the ERF is much shorter and I<br>
believe much more accessible to a variety of audiences - which<br>will be i=
mportant for EMAN to be successful.<br><br></div><div>I look forward to com=
ments on the list on how to improve this<br>draft for a version -02.=A0 I a=
m unable to be in Berlin but this draft<br>
will be presented there and so I look forward to the minutes from<br>the me=
eting and any improvements to the draft that arise from that.<br></div><div=
>(I will be off email the week of the IETF meeting).<br><br>Thanks,<br>
<br></div><div>--Bruce<br>
</div><div><div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded me=
ssage ----------<br>From: <b class=3D"gmail_sendername"></b> <span dir=3D"l=
tr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">inter=
net-drafts@ietf.org</a>&gt;</span><br>

Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:41 PM<br>Subject: New Version Notification for=
 draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt<br>To: Bruce Nordman &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:bnordman@lbl.gov" target=3D"_blank">bnordman@lbl.gov</a>&gt;<br><br=
>
<br><br>
A new version of I-D, draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt<br>
has been successfully submitted by Bruce Nordman and posted to the<br>
IETF repository.<br>
<br>
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org/internet-drafts/draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt</a><br>
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oc/draft-nordman-eman-er-framework</a><br>
Htmlized: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nordma=
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<br>
Abstract:<br>
=A0 =A0Managing energy consumption of devices presents new challenges and<b=
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=A0 =A0issues. =A0The EMAN Requirements draft identifies essential<br>
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=A0 =A0from individual devices, and how some of the Requirements are<br>
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<br>
The IETF Secretariat<br>
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</div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><font size=3D"4"><b>Bruce Nordman</b=
></font><br><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,153)">Lawrence Berkeley National L=
aboratory</span><br><b><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,102,0)"><a href=3D"http:/=
/nordman.lbl.gov" target=3D"_blank">nordman.lbl.gov</a></span></b><br>

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I'd like to thank you for staking out your argument with what's wrong 
with the current document out with text. Doing so is not a small effort.

joel

On 7/16/13 3:30 PM, Bruce Nordman wrote:
> I have updated the Energy Reporting Framework (ERF) draft that I 
> posted last week.
>
> The -01 version:
> --has some wording changes to clarify some points,
> --fixes reference formatting,
> --adds brand and model fields to the basic data, and
> --adds and drops some outstanding issues.
>
> I believe that this document is the best one we have available that meets
> the charter needs for the framework for EMAN.
>
> Compared to content of draft-ietf-eman-framework-08, the ERF is
> simpler while having more capabilities, and so should be easier
> to implement and use.  Compared to the presentation of
> draft-ietf-eman-framework-08, the ERF is much shorter and I
> believe much more accessible to a variety of audiences - which
> will be important for EMAN to be successful.
>
> I look forward to comments on the list on how to improve this
> draft for a version -02.  I am unable to be in Berlin but this draft
> will be presented there and so I look forward to the minutes from
> the meeting and any improvements to the draft that arise from that.
> (I will be off email the week of the IETF meeting).
>
> Thanks,
>
> --Bruce
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: <internet-drafts@ietf.org <mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org>>
> Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:41 PM
> Subject: New Version Notification for 
> draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt
> To: Bruce Nordman <bnordman@lbl.gov <mailto:bnordman@lbl.gov>>
>
>
>
> A new version of I-D, draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt
> has been successfully submitted by Bruce Nordman and posted to the
> IETF repository.
>
> Filename:        draft-nordman-eman-er-framework
> Revision:        01
> Title:           Energy Reporting Framework
> Creation date:   2013-07-16
> Group:           Individual Submission
> Number of pages: 28
> URL: 
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt
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>
> Abstract:
>    Managing energy consumption of devices presents new challenges and
>    issues.  The EMAN Requirements draft identifies essential
>    capabilities needed to accomplish this.  This draft describes how an
>    energy management system can use EMAN to gather and interpret data
>    from individual devices, and how some of the Requirements are
>    implemented in the model.  This document focuses on Energy Reporting,
>    though acknowledges and fully includes the limited control functions
>    specified in the Requirements draft.  Topics addressed in detail
>    include the topology of power distribution, reporting mechanisms, and
>    the various roles of devices, power interfaces, and components.
>
>
>
>
> The IETF Secretariat
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> *Bruce Nordman*
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Dear Authors,
    I have read the document of draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-03.
It is a very useful document. I noticed some minor issues which I'd like to
address. Mostly, they're typos. Also, there are some confusions which I
would like them to be described more clearly. To further improve the
document, the authors may consider the following comments.

------------
Abstract

"EMAN" is explained in the abstract while "SNMP" and "MIB" are not.
"SNMP" is short for Simeple Network Management Protocol and "MIBS" is short
for Management Information Base, both are explained in the introduction.
Maybe "SNMP" and "MIB" should be explained in the abstract as "EMAN".
------------
1.1
   People maybe not familiar with the YANG modules and NETCONF, some
related references  should better given.
------------
1.2
   To be easy to understand, different text dash titles could be used in
this section, for example, "Applicability Statement [EMAN-AS] -- this
document presents" or "--Applicability Statement [EMAN-AS]: this document
presents".
   The sentence in Requirements [EMAN-REQ], "the scope of the devices
considered", maybe "considers (lists) the scope of the devices" or "the
scope of the devices is considered".
------------
2.2
   In second paragraph, "Monitoring the power consumption of the switch
(supplying device) and the power consumption of the PoE end-points
(consuming drvices)" can be simplified by "Monitoring the power consumption
of the switch (supplying device) and the PoE end-points (consuming
drvices)".
   In third paragraph, to be simple,"the power consumption of all the IP
phones" could be replaced by "them",
   The third paragraph and the last paragraph is the same. Is it excess?
------------
2.3
   In third paragraph, "The wall outlet the PC is plugged in can be metered
for example by a Smart PDU,or unmetered", may be " The wall outlet where
the PC is plugged in, can be metered for example by a Smart PDU,or
unmetered" is much more clearly.
   There is a point missing at the end of paragraph five.
------------
2.8
   In third paragraph, a phrase "in the event" is duplicated, and one
should be deleted.
------------
4.1.2.1
   In third paragraph, people maybe confused about the word "eight" in the
sentence "Power states are eight named operational and non operational
levels", but only six levels named " On, Sleep-Light, Sleep-Deep,
Hibernate, Off-Soft, and Off-Hard" can be found in the text.
4.1.2.2
   In fist sentence," Desktop And Mobile Architecture for System Hardware",
maybe "And" should be"and".
   In second sentence, after "etc.", there is a comma is missing.
------------
4.3.1
   In the third paragraph, "benchmarking" should be "Bechmarking".
------------
4.3.2
   In second paragraph, "Energy Star is a program; it is not a protocol or
standard", may be "Energy Star is a program instead of a protocol or
standard" is much better.

Thanks a lot for your work,

Best Regards
Huaming WU
PhD Candidate
Institute of Computer Science
Freie Universit=E4t Berlin
Takustr. 9, D-14195 Berlin, Germany

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Dear Authors,</div><div>=A0 =A0 I have read the docum=
ent of draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-03. It is a very useful docu=
ment. I noticed some minor issues which I&#39;d like to address. Mostly, th=
ey&#39;re typos. Also, there are some confusions which I would like them to=
 be described more clearly. To further improve the document, the authors ma=
y consider the following comments.=A0</div>

<div><br></div><div>------------</div><div>Abstract</div><div><br></div><di=
v>&quot;EMAN&quot; is explained in the abstract while &quot;SNMP&quot; and =
&quot;MIB&quot; are not.=A0</div><div>&quot;SNMP&quot; is short for Simeple=
 Network Management Protocol and &quot;MIBS&quot; is short for Management I=
nformation Base, both are explained in the introduction.</div>

<div>Maybe &quot;SNMP&quot; and &quot;MIB&quot; should be explained in the =
abstract as &quot;EMAN&quot;.</div><div>------------</div><div>1.1</div><di=
v>=A0 =A0People maybe not familiar with the YANG modules and NETCONF, some =
related references =A0should better given.</div>
<div>------------</div><div>1.2</div><div>=A0 =A0To be easy to understand, =
different text dash titles could be used in this section, for example, &quo=
t;Applicability Statement [EMAN-AS] -- this document presents&quot; or &quo=
t;--Applicability Statement [EMAN-AS]: this document presents&quot;.</div>

<div>=A0 =A0The sentence in Requirements [EMAN-REQ], &quot;the scope of the=
 devices considered&quot;, maybe &quot;considers (lists) the scope of the d=
evices&quot; or &quot;the scope of the devices is considered&quot;.</div><d=
iv>
------------</div><div>2.2</div><div>=A0 =A0In second paragraph, &quot;Moni=
toring the power consumption of the switch (supplying device) and the power=
 consumption of the PoE end-points (consuming drvices)&quot; can be simplif=
ied by &quot;Monitoring the power consumption of the switch (supplying devi=
ce) and the PoE end-points (consuming drvices)&quot;.</div>
<div>=A0 =A0In third paragraph, to be simple,&quot;the power consumption of=
 all the IP phones&quot; could be replaced by &quot;them&quot;,</div><div>=
=A0 =A0The third paragraph and the last paragraph is the same. Is it excess=
?</div>
<div>------------</div><div>2.3</div><div>=A0 =A0In third paragraph, &quot;=
The wall outlet the PC is plugged in can be metered for example by a Smart =
PDU,or unmetered&quot;, may be &quot; The wall outlet where the PC is plugg=
ed in, can be metered for example by a Smart PDU,or unmetered&quot; is much=
 more clearly.</div>
<div>=A0 =A0There is a point missing at the end of paragraph five.</div><di=
v>------------</div><div>2.8</div><div>=A0 =A0In third paragraph, a phrase =
&quot;in the event&quot; is duplicated, and one should be deleted. =A0=A0</=
div><div>
------------</div><div>4.1.2.1</div><div>=A0 =A0In third paragraph, people =
maybe confused about the word &quot;eight&quot; in the sentence &quot;Power=
 states are eight named operational and non operational levels&quot;, but o=
nly six levels named &quot; On, Sleep-Light, Sleep-Deep, Hibernate, Off-Sof=
t, and Off-Hard&quot; can be found in the text.</div>
<div>4.1.2.2</div><div>=A0 =A0In fist sentence,&quot; Desktop And Mobile Ar=
chitecture for System Hardware&quot;, maybe &quot;And&quot; should be&quot;=
and&quot;.</div><div>=A0 =A0In second sentence, after &quot;etc.&quot;, the=
re is a comma is missing.</div>
<div>------------</div><div>4.3.1=A0</div><div>=A0 =A0In the third paragrap=
h, &quot;benchmarking&quot; should be &quot;Bechmarking&quot;.</div><div>--=
----------</div><div>4.3.2</div><div>=A0 =A0In second paragraph, &quot;Ener=
gy Star is a program; it is not a protocol or standard&quot;, may be &quot;=
Energy Star is a program instead of a protocol or standard&quot; is much be=
tter.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Thanks a lot for your work,</div><div><br></div><div><f=
ont color=3D"#666666" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"=
>Best Regards<br>Huaming WU<br></font><div style=3D"color:rgb(136,136,136);=
font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">
<font color=3D"#666666">PhD Candidate</font></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(1=
36,136,136);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><font color=3D"#66=
6666">Institute of Computer Science</font></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(136=
,136,136);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">
<span style=3D"font-size:13px"><font color=3D"#666666">Freie Universit=E4t =
Berlin</font></span></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(136,136,136);font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><font color=3D"#666666">Takustr. 9, D-1419=
5 Berlin, Germany</font></div>
</div></div>

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#38: Reference EnMS definition instead of redefining

 In Section 1.5 of the draft, the EnMS term is somewhat redefined.
 Instead, the EnMS term should be referenced from the EMAN terminology
 draft draft-parello-eman-definitions-08 so that the framework has a
 consistent, single set of defined terms the industry at large can use and
 reference.
 Each EMAN term should be concisely defined in only one draft, and then
 referenced everywhere else to that draft.

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#39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use cases, or defined

 In the Applicability Statement, the "Control/Controlling" pattern is not
 drawn out in each use case, like the Metering/Powering/Reporting are.

 Use Case Section Description:
         In this section a selection of scenarios for energy management
         are presented.  The fundamental objective of the use cases is to
         list important network scenarios that the EMAN framework should
         solve.  These use cases then drive the requirements for the EMAN
         framework.

         Each scenario lists target devices for which the energy
         management framework can be applied, how the reported-on devices
         are powered, and how the reporting is accomplished.  While there
         is some overlap between some of the use cases, the use cases
         illustrate network scenarios that the EMAN framework supports.

 Each Use Case has:
 The essential properties of this use case are:

           . Target devices: network devices such as routers and
              switches as well as their components.
           . How powered: typically by a Power Distribution Unit (PDU)
              on a rack or from a wall outlet.  The components of a
              device are powered by the device chassis.
           . Reporting: direct power measurement can be performed at a
              device level.  Components can report their power
              consumption directly or the chassis/device that can report
              on behalf of some components.
 In addition, I do not see a thorough definition of control in the draft to
 explain the meaning in this context.  The definitions draft draft-parello-
 eman-definitions-08 provides a definition for Energy Control. This draft
 should reference that definition and use this term.  The term definition
 in the Definitions draft does not appear to restrict the definition of
 Control to changing the energy/power state of a device.  Is there a
 disconnect between these drafts in the meaning of "Control"?

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In the EMAN charter, mention of control is mostly about power
state control, with a mention of proxy control the only other use
of the term.  Thus, while Energy Management does include control,
it is a small part of the total EMAN picture.

In the requirements, of the several dozen in the draft, there is
one on power state control, one on power interface control,
and four on proxy control.  So, control is also a modest part
of our requirements.

Given all this, I think it appropriate that control is given the
degree of attention in the applicability statement that it currently
has.

With definitions in the Requirements draft, I don't think we need
the definitions draft anymore.
While the requirements draft defines "energy control", it does not
use it.  It is not a term I am familiar with and don't see that it adds
value to have it.  Referencing power state control and power supply
control directly seems more clear.

So, I think for how control is treated in the Applicability Statement,
I think we are OK.

Thanks much,

--Bruce


On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 8:34 AM, eman issue tracker <
trac+eman@trac.tools.ietf.org> wrote:

> #39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use cases, or defined
>
>  In the Applicability Statement, the "Control/Controlling" pattern is not
>  drawn out in each use case, like the Metering/Powering/Reporting are.
>
>  Use Case Section Description:
>          In this section a selection of scenarios for energy management
>          are presented.  The fundamental objective of the use cases is to
>          list important network scenarios that the EMAN framework should
>          solve.  These use cases then drive the requirements for the EMAN
>          framework.
>
>          Each scenario lists target devices for which the energy
>          management framework can be applied, how the reported-on devices
>          are powered, and how the reporting is accomplished.  While there
>          is some overlap between some of the use cases, the use cases
>          illustrate network scenarios that the EMAN framework supports.
>
>  Each Use Case has:
>  The essential properties of this use case are:
>
>            . Target devices: network devices such as routers and
>               switches as well as their components.
>            . How powered: typically by a Power Distribution Unit (PDU)
>               on a rack or from a wall outlet.  The components of a
>               device are powered by the device chassis.
>            . Reporting: direct power measurement can be performed at a
>               device level.  Components can report their power
>               consumption directly or the chassis/device that can report
>               on behalf of some components.
>  In addition, I do not see a thorough definition of control in the draft to
>  explain the meaning in this context.  The definitions draft draft-parello-
>  eman-definitions-08 provides a definition for Energy Control. This draft
>  should reference that definition and use this term.  The term definition
>  in the Definitions draft does not appear to restrict the definition of
>  Control to changing the energy/power state of a device.  Is there a
>  disconnect between these drafts in the meaning of "Control"?
>
> --
> -------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
>  Reporter:                           |      Owner:  draft-ietf-eman-
>   b.hedstrom@cablelabs.com           |  applicability-
>      Type:  defect                   |  statement@tools.ietf.org
>  Priority:  major                    |     Status:  new
> Component:  applicability-statement  |  Milestone:
>  Severity:  -                        |    Version:  2.0
>                                      |   Keywords:
> -------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
>
> Ticket URL: <http://tools.ietf.org/wg/eman/trac/ticket/39>
> eman <http://tools.ietf.org/eman/>
>
>


-- 
*Bruce Nordman*
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>In the EMAN c=
harter, mention of control is mostly about power<br>state control, with a m=
ention of proxy control the only other use<br>of the term.=A0 Thus, while E=
nergy Management does include control,<br>
it is a small part of the total EMAN picture.<br><br></div>In the requireme=
nts, of the several dozen in the draft, there is<br>one on power state cont=
rol, one on power interface control,<br>and four on proxy control.=A0 So, c=
ontrol is also a modest part<br>
of our requirements.<br><br></div>Given all this, I think it appropriate th=
at control is given the<br></div>degree of attention in the applicability s=
tatement that it currently<br></div>has.=A0 <br><br></div>With definitions =
in the Requirements draft, I don&#39;t think we need<br>
the definitions draft anymore.<br></div>While the requirements draft define=
s &quot;energy control&quot;, it does not<br>use it.=A0 It is not a term I =
am familiar with and don&#39;t see that it adds<br></div>value to have it.=
=A0 Referencing power state control and power supply<br>
control directly seems more clear.<br><br></div>So, I think for how control=
 is treated in the Applicability Statement,<br>I think we are OK.<br><br>Th=
anks much,<br><br></div>--Bruce<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br=
>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 8:34 AM, eman issue trac=
ker <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:trac+eman@trac.tools.ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">trac+eman@trac.tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
#39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use cases, or defined<=
br>
<br>
=A0In the Applicability Statement, the &quot;Control/Controlling&quot; patt=
ern is not<br>
=A0drawn out in each use case, like the Metering/Powering/Reporting are.<br=
>
<br>
=A0Use Case Section Description:<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0In this section a selection of scenarios for energy mana=
gement<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0are presented. =A0The fundamental objective of the use c=
ases is to<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0list important network scenarios that the EMAN framework=
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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0solve. =A0These use cases then drive the requirements fo=
r the EMAN<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0framework.<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Each scenario lists target devices for which the energy<=
br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0management framework can be applied, how the reported-on=
 devices<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0are powered, and how the reporting is accomplished. =A0W=
hile there<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0is some overlap between some of the use cases, the use c=
ases<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0illustrate network scenarios that the EMAN framework sup=
ports.<br>
<br>
=A0Each Use Case has:<br>
=A0The essential properties of this use case are:<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0. Target devices: network devices such as routers an=
d<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 switches as well as their components.<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0. How powered: typically by a Power Distribution Uni=
t (PDU)<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 on a rack or from a wall outlet. =A0The compone=
nts of a<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 device are powered by the device chassis.<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0. Reporting: direct power measurement can be perform=
ed at a<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 device level. =A0Components can report their po=
wer<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 consumption directly or the chassis/device that=
 can report<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 on behalf of some components.<br>
=A0In addition, I do not see a thorough definition of control in the draft =
to<br>
=A0explain the meaning in this context. =A0The definitions draft draft-pare=
llo-<br>
=A0eman-definitions-08 provides a definition for Energy Control. This draft=
<br>
=A0should reference that definition and use this term. =A0The term definiti=
on<br>
=A0in the Definitions draft does not appear to restrict the definition of<b=
r>
=A0Control to changing the energy/power state of a device. =A0Is there a<br=
>
=A0disconnect between these drafts in the meaning of &quot;Control&quot;?<b=
r>
<br>
--<br>
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------=
<br>
=A0Reporter: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 | =A0 =A0 =
=A0Owner: =A0draft-ietf-eman-<br>
=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:b.hedstrom@cablelabs.com">b.hedstrom@cablelabs.com</a=
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 | =A0applicability-<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0Type: =A0defect =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 | =A0<a href=
=3D"mailto:statement@tools.ietf.org">statement@tools.ietf.org</a><br>
=A0Priority: =A0major =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| =A0 =A0 Stat=
us: =A0new<br>
Component: =A0applicability-statement =A0| =A0Milestone:<br>
=A0Severity: =A0- =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| =A0 =A0V=
ersion: =A02.0<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
| =A0 Keywords:<br>
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------=
<br>
<br>
Ticket URL: &lt;<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/wg/eman/trac/ticket/39" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/wg/eman/trac/ticket/39</a>&gt;<br>
eman &lt;<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/eman/" target=3D"_blank">http://t=
ools.ietf.org/eman/</a>&gt;<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><font size=3D"4"><b>Bru=
ce Nordman</b></font><br><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,153)">Lawrence Berkel=
ey National Laboratory</span><br><b><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,102,0)"><a h=
ref=3D"http://nordman.lbl.gov" target=3D"_blank">nordman.lbl.gov</a></span>=
</b><br>
BNordman@LBL.gov<br>510-486-7089<br>m: 510-501-7943<br>
</div>

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On 18/07/13 9:04 PM, "eman issue tracker" <trac+eman@trac.tools.ietf.org>
wrote:

>#39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use cases, or defined
>
> In the Applicability Statement, the "Control/Controlling" pattern is not
> drawn out in each use case, like the Metering/Powering/Reporting are.
>
> Use Case Section Description:
>         In this section a selection of scenarios for energy management
>         are presented.  The fundamental objective of the use cases is to
>         list important network scenarios that the EMAN framework should
>         solve.  These use cases then drive the requirements for the EMAN
>         framework.
>
>         Each scenario lists target devices for which the energy
>         management framework can be applied, how the reported-on devices
>         are powered, and how the reporting is accomplished.  While there
>         is some overlap between some of the use cases, the use cases
>         illustrate network scenarios that the EMAN framework supports.
>
> Each Use Case has:
> The essential properties of this use case are:
>
>           . Target devices: network devices such as routers and
>              switches as well as their components.
>           . How powered: typically by a Power Distribution Unit (PDU)
>              on a rack or from a wall outlet.  The components of a
>              device are powered by the device chassis.
>           . Reporting: direct power measurement can be performed at a
>              device level.  Components can report their power
>              consumption directly or the chassis/device that can report
>              on behalf of some components.

> In addition, I do not see a thorough definition of control in the draft
>to
> explain the meaning in this context.  The definitions draft
>draft-parello-
> eman-definitions-08 provides a definition for Energy Control. This draft
> should reference that definition and use this term.  The term definition
> in the Definitions draft does not appear to restrict the definition of
> Control to changing the energy/power state of a device.  Is there a
> disconnect between these drafts in the meaning of "Control"?

Hi Brian, =20

[EMAN-DEF] is the same terminology draft which has been integrated with
EMAN-Framework draft.
We shall update the applicability statement draft with after this WG
meeting.=20

Secondly, we can add or call out for more context in terms of Control
aspect.=20

For example in Section 2.2, Control has been mentioned in the use case
"For each port, the PSE can control the power supply (switching it on and
off) and meter actual power provided."

Thanks
Mouli

>
>--=20
>-------------------------------------+------------------------------------
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>Component:  applicability-statement  |  Milestone:
> Severity:  -                        |    Version:  2.0
>                                     |   Keywords:
>-------------------------------------+------------------------------------
>-
>
>Ticket URL: <http://tools.ietf.org/wg/eman/trac/ticket/39>
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Hi Bruce,

I have reviewed the draft version -01.=20

Indeed this framework is using a "keep it simple" approach.
It needs less concepts and much less text than our current=20
WG draft. The introduction of concepts in sections 2 and 3
is amazingly easy to read (considering the lengthy and complex
discussions we had on the "right" concepts).

Even with a reduced number of concepts it is still complete.
And it still meets (at least almost) all requirements as stated=20
in our requirements draft (which has good chances to become=20
RFC before IETF#87). How requirements are met is described
for each requirement.

Section 3
This section give a good overview of power distribution and=20
reporting topologies. It lacks a discussion of the metering=20
topology. You list this as open issue #3 in section 8 and I think
it is the most important of the open issues.

Sections 4+5: purpose of the sections
These sections serves two purposes at the same time.=20
One is listing which requirements are met and how they are met.=20
The other one is elaborating the framework and adding small
features where needed to meet the requirements. This is not a
straight forward approach, but the results seems to be compact
and efficient.

Sections 4+5: requirements and options
There is a lack of clarity about requirements, recommendations
and options in these two sections. It is often not clear which features=20
are MANADATORY, RECOMMENDED, or OPTIONAL, or something else,
see the following examples:
   Section 4.1: "a widely useful feature is ..."
   Section 4.2: "the first item needed is ..."
   Section 4.2: "will typically be of the form ..."
   Section 4.3: "Each device provides a list of ..."
   Section 4.4: "They can be represented  by ..."
... and so on.
It would be helpful to state more clearly what the framework sees=20
as MUST, SHOULD or MAY, respectively. The introductions of
section 4 says the "basic" features are "required". If they are=20
required it would be useful to clearly identify what is basic. It looks
like even basic features have options. This does not mean that I=20
disagree with the proposed features, but I would like to better=20
understand which are essential and which not.

Sections 4+5: data formats
In section 4.2 you suggest using a string of the form "name=3Dvalue".
In section 5.1 you suggest using "type:value".
I am not sure these two fit well together.

Detailed comments:
Section 4.2, line 4: "will typically" -> "can be"
Section 5.1, line 3: ", with each having" -> ". They can have"
Section 8.2, line 1: "Framework draft" -> "Framework and Battery MIB drafts=
"

Cheers,
    Juergen




Looking at the open issues listed in section 8, there is one
That I think is most essential:=20


> -----Original Message-----
> From: eman-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> Of Bruce Nordman
> Sent: Mittwoch, 17. Juli 2013 00:30
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> Subject: [eman] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-nordman-eman-er-
> framework-01.txt
>=20
> I have updated the Energy Reporting Framework (ERF) draft that I posted l=
ast
> week.
>=20
>=20
> The -01 version:
> --has some wording changes to clarify some points, --fixes reference
> formatting,
>=20
> --adds brand and model fields to the basic data, and
>=20
> --adds and drops some outstanding issues.
>=20
> I believe that this document is the best one we have available that meets=
 the
> charter needs for the framework for EMAN.
>=20
>=20
> Compared to content of draft-ietf-eman-framework-08, the ERF is
>=20
> simpler while having more capabilities, and so should be easier to implem=
ent
> and use.  Compared to the presentation of draft-ietf-eman-framework-08,
> the ERF is much shorter and I believe much more accessible to a variety o=
f
> audiences - which will be important for EMAN to be successful.
>=20
>=20
> I look forward to comments on the list on how to improve this draft for a
> version -02.  I am unable to be in Berlin but this draft will be presente=
d there
> and so I look forward to the minutes from the meeting and any
> improvements to the draft that arise from that.
>=20
> (I will be off email the week of the IETF meeting).
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
>=20
> --Bruce
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> Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:41 PM
> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-
> 01.txt
> To: Bruce Nordman <bnordman@lbl.gov>
>=20
>=20
>=20
> A new version of I-D, draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt
> has been successfully submitted by Bruce Nordman and posted to the IETF
> repository.
>=20
> Filename:        draft-nordman-eman-er-framework
> Revision:        01
> Title:           Energy Reporting Framework
> Creation date:   2013-07-16
> Group:           Individual Submission
> Number of pages: 28
> URL:             http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-nordman-eman-e=
r-
> framework-01.txt
> Status:          http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nordman-eman-er-
> framework
> Htmlized:        http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nordman-eman-er-framewo=
rk-
> 01
> Diff:            http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-nordman-eman-er=
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> framework-01
>=20
> Abstract:
>    Managing energy consumption of devices presents new challenges and
>    issues.  The EMAN Requirements draft identifies essential
>    capabilities needed to accomplish this.  This draft describes how an
>    energy management system can use EMAN to gather and interpret data
>    from individual devices, and how some of the Requirements are
>    implemented in the model.  This document focuses on Energy Reporting,
>    though acknowledges and fully includes the limited control functions
>    specified in the Requirements draft.  Topics addressed in detail
>    include the topology of power distribution, reporting mechanisms, and
>    the various roles of devices, power interfaces, and components.
>=20
>=20
>=20
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> The IETF Secretariat
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
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> --
> Bruce Nordman
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Dear Authors,
    I have read the document of draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-03.
It is a very excellent document and are well writen. I noticed some minor
issues which I'd like to address. Mostly, they're typos. Also, there are
some confusions which I would like them to be described more clearly. To
further improve the document, the following comments may be considered.

------------
Abstract

"EMAN" is explained in the abstract while "SNMP" and "MIB" are not.
"SNMP" is short for Simeple Network Management Protocol and "MIBS" is short
for Management Information Base, both are explained in the introduction.
Maybe "SNMP" and "MIB" should be explained in the abstract like "EMAN".
------------
1.1
   People maybe not familiar with the YANG modules and NETCONF, some
related references  should better given.
------------
1.2
   To be easy to understand, different text dash titles could be used in
this section, for example, "Applicability Statement [EMAN-AS] -- this
document presents" or "--Applicability Statement [EMAN-AS]: this document
presents".
   The sentence in Requirements [EMAN-REQ], "the scope of the devices
considered", maybe "considers (lists) the scope of the devices" or "the
scope of the devices is considered".
------------
2.2
   In second paragraph, "Monitoring the power consumption of the switch
(supplying device) and the power consumption of the PoE end-points
(consuming drvices)" can be simplified by "Monitoring the power consumption
of the switch (supplying device) and the PoE end-points (consuming
drvices)".
   In third paragraph, to be simple,"the power consumption of all the IP
phones" could be replaced by "them",
   The third paragraph and the last paragraph is the same. Is it excess?
------------
2.3
   In third paragraph, "The wall outlet the PC is plugged in can be metered
for example by a Smart PDU,or unmetered", may be " The wall outlet where
the PC is plugged in, can be metered for example by a Smart PDU,or
unmetered" is much more clearly.
   There is a point missing at the end of paragraph five.
------------
2.8
   In third paragraph, a phrase "in the event" is duplicated, and one
should be deleted.
------------
4.1.2.1
   In third paragraph, people maybe confused about the word "eight" in the
sentence "Power states are eight named operational and non operational
levels", but only six levels named " On, Sleep-Light, Sleep-Deep,
Hibernate, Off-Soft, and Off-Hard" can be found in the text.
4.1.2.2
   In fist sentence," Desktop And Mobile Architecture for System Hardware",
maybe "And" should be"and".
   In second sentence, after "etc.", there is a comma is missing.
------------
4.3.1
   In the third paragraph, "benchmarking" should be "Bechmarking".
------------
4.3.2
   In second paragraph, "Energy Star is a program; it is not a protocol or
standard", may be "Energy Star is a program instead of a protocol or
standard" is much better.

Thanks a lot for your work,

Best Regards
Huaming WU
PhD Candidate
Institute of Computer Science
Freie Universit=E4t Berlin
Takustr. 9, D-14195 Berlin, Germany

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Dear Authors,<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><div>=A0 =A0 I have read the document of draft-ietf-eman-applicability-s=
tatement-03. It is a very excellent document and are well writen. I noticed=
 some minor issues which I&#39;d like to address. Mostly, they&#39;re typos=
. Also, there are some confusions which I would like them to be described m=
ore clearly. To further improve the document, the following comments may be=
 considered.=A0</div>



<div><br></div><div>------------</div><div>Abstract</div><div><br></div><di=
v>&quot;EMAN&quot; is explained in the abstract while &quot;SNMP&quot; and =
&quot;MIB&quot; are not.=A0</div><div>&quot;SNMP&quot; is short for Simeple=
 Network Management Protocol and &quot;MIBS&quot; is short for Management I=
nformation Base, both are explained in the introduction.</div>



<div>Maybe &quot;SNMP&quot; and &quot;MIB&quot; should be explained in the =
abstract like &quot;EMAN&quot;.</div><div>------------</div><div>1.1</div><=
div>=A0 =A0People maybe not familiar with the YANG modules and NETCONF, som=
e related references =A0should better given.</div>


<div>------------</div><div>1.2</div><div>=A0 =A0To be easy to understand, =
different text dash titles could be used in this section, for example, &quo=
t;Applicability Statement [EMAN-AS] -- this document presents&quot; or &quo=
t;--Applicability Statement [EMAN-AS]: this document presents&quot;.</div>



<div>=A0 =A0The sentence in Requirements [EMAN-REQ], &quot;the scope of the=
 devices considered&quot;, maybe &quot;considers (lists) the scope of the d=
evices&quot; or &quot;the scope of the devices is considered&quot;.</div><d=
iv>


------------</div><div>2.2</div><div>=A0 =A0In second paragraph, &quot;Moni=
toring the power consumption of the switch (supplying device) and the power=
 consumption of the PoE end-points (consuming drvices)&quot; can be simplif=
ied by &quot;Monitoring the power consumption of the switch (supplying devi=
ce) and the PoE end-points (consuming drvices)&quot;.</div>


<div>=A0 =A0In third paragraph, to be simple,&quot;the power consumption of=
 all the IP phones&quot; could be replaced by &quot;them&quot;,</div><div>=
=A0 =A0The third paragraph and the last paragraph is the same. Is it excess=
?</div>


<div>------------</div><div>2.3</div><div>=A0 =A0In third paragraph, &quot;=
The wall outlet the PC is plugged in can be metered for example by a Smart =
PDU,or unmetered&quot;, may be &quot; The wall outlet where the PC is plugg=
ed in, can be metered for example by a Smart PDU,or unmetered&quot; is much=
 more clearly.</div>


<div>=A0 =A0There is a point missing at the end of paragraph five.</div><di=
v>------------</div><div>2.8</div><div>=A0 =A0In third paragraph, a phrase =
&quot;in the event&quot; is duplicated, and one should be deleted. =A0=A0</=
div><div>


------------</div><div>4.1.2.1</div><div>=A0 =A0In third paragraph, people =
maybe confused about the word &quot;eight&quot; in the sentence &quot;Power=
 states are eight named operational and non operational levels&quot;, but o=
nly six levels named &quot; On, Sleep-Light, Sleep-Deep, Hibernate, Off-Sof=
t, and Off-Hard&quot; can be found in the text.</div>


<div>4.1.2.2</div><div>=A0 =A0In fist sentence,&quot; Desktop And Mobile Ar=
chitecture for System Hardware&quot;, maybe &quot;And&quot; should be&quot;=
and&quot;.</div><div>=A0 =A0In second sentence, after &quot;etc.&quot;, the=
re is a comma is missing.</div>


<div>------------</div><div>4.3.1=A0</div><div>=A0 =A0In the third paragrap=
h, &quot;benchmarking&quot; should be &quot;Bechmarking&quot;.</div><div>--=
----------</div><div>4.3.2</div><div>=A0 =A0In second paragraph, &quot;Ener=
gy Star is a program; it is not a protocol or standard&quot;, may be &quot;=
Energy Star is a program instead of a protocol or standard&quot; is much be=
tter.</div>



<div><br></div><div>Thanks a lot for your work,</div><div><br></div><div><f=
ont color=3D"#666666" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"=
>Best Regards<br>Huaming WU<br></font><div style=3D"color:rgb(136,136,136);=
font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">


<font color=3D"#666666">PhD Candidate</font></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(1=
36,136,136);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><font color=3D"#66=
6666">Institute of Computer Science</font></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(136=
,136,136);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">


<span style=3D"font-size:13px"><font color=3D"#666666">Freie Universit=E4t =
Berlin</font></span></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(136,136,136);font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><font color=3D"#666666">Takustr. 9, D-1419=
5 Berlin, Germany</font></div>


</div></div>
</div><br></div>

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Hi Brain,

Thanks!

+1 on your comments. So I see two things you want that I agree with.

1) Spell out the use case for control in line with the other use cases
2) Definitions should be uniform and map to a common glossary draft

I agree with those two points.

Bruce commented that control is a "small part of EMAN". I disagree with tha=
t.  It's either part of the standard or not. Whether it's a small or large =
portion is up to the deployment not the standard.  If I deploy a standard, =
the portions that are of concern to me may be much larger than that for oth=
ers. So I may care about control more than some other deployment.

Either way to your point the use case should be defined thoroughly.

For the definitions I contend that the draft I proposed should be a WG item=
. Each draft is free to list the definitions that apply therein.  However t=
here are definitions that apply to the energy management space in general t=
hat are handy to list, both for our WG and other SDOs.

Participating in other SDOs as I do I find this helpful and as you pointed =
out for the Cable group already references.

We've spent a lot of time gathering terms and concepts and to scatter them =
in different drafts doesn't do a service to the information we gathered.

We have precedence to define terms whether used in a draft or not AND wheth=
er used for internet applicability or not.
See RFCs: 1392, 2828, 4949=20

The glossary both in my draft and in the examples help define the space tha=
t all the drafts use.

I propose that the definitions draft be made a WG item after an edit that p=
laces it in line with the formats of the drafts I cited.

Jp



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#39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use cases, or defined

 In the Applicability Statement, the "Control/Controlling" pattern is not  =
drawn out in each use case, like the Metering/Powering/Reporting are.

 Use Case Section Description:
         In this section a selection of scenarios for energy management
         are presented.  The fundamental objective of the use cases is to
         list important network scenarios that the EMAN framework should
         solve.  These use cases then drive the requirements for the EMAN
         framework.

         Each scenario lists target devices for which the energy
         management framework can be applied, how the reported-on devices
         are powered, and how the reporting is accomplished.  While there
         is some overlap between some of the use cases, the use cases
         illustrate network scenarios that the EMAN framework supports.

 Each Use Case has:
 The essential properties of this use case are:

           . Target devices: network devices such as routers and
              switches as well as their components.
           . How powered: typically by a Power Distribution Unit (PDU)
              on a rack or from a wall outlet.  The components of a
              device are powered by the device chassis.
           . Reporting: direct power measurement can be performed at a
              device level.  Components can report their power
              consumption directly or the chassis/device that can report
              on behalf of some components.
 In addition, I do not see a thorough definition of control in the draft to=
  explain the meaning in this context.  The definitions draft draft-parello=
-
 eman-definitions-08 provides a definition for Energy Control. This draft  =
should reference that definition and use this term.  The term definition  i=
n the Definitions draft does not appear to restrict the definition of  Cont=
rol to changing the energy/power state of a device.  Is there a  disconnect=
 between these drafts in the meaning of "Control"?

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#40: Use Case Patterns contribution for section 3

 The attachment is a contribution to replace Section 3 of the applicability
 statement.  It provides both a use case patterns matrix and a clear
 definition of the variables and their definitions while using a consistent
 verb syntax for the set of variables that are common across all the use
 cases in the applicability statement.

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     Type:  enhancement              |  statement@tools.ietf.org
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Ticket URL: <http://tools.ietf.org/wg/eman/trac/ticket/40>
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Comments inline below.


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:19 AM, John Parello (jparello) <
jparello@cisco.com> wrote:

> Hi Brain,
>
> Thanks!
>
> +1 on your comments. So I see two things you want that I agree with.
>
> 1) Spell out the use case for control in line with the other use cases
>

The applicability statement seems fine as it is.
The ability to control devices doesn't introduce new content into
the framework or its applicability in the way that reporting or
powering do.


> 2) Definitions should be uniform and map to a common glossary draft
>

I thought we already put the definitions into the framework draft making
it unnecessary to have a separate one only for definitions.
Otherwise, why were they put into the framework draft?

>
> I agree with those two points.
>
> Bruce commented that control is a "small part of EMAN". I disagree with
> that.  It's either part of the standard or not. Whether it's a small or
> large portion is up to the deployment not the standard.  If I deploy a
> standard, the portions that are of concern to me may be much larger than
> that for others. So I may care about control more than some other
> deployment.
>

No one said that control is not part of eman.
I simply observed objective facts about how large a
part of eman it is.  For example, of 65 requirements,
four are on the relatively obscure issue of proxy control,
and of the remaining sixty one, 2 are about control and
59 are not.  People may make good use of those
features that eman specifies, and that is all to the good,
but it doesn't change the objective facts about how
much of eman content is about control.

After today I am offline for a week and look forward
when I return to hearing about progress on the list
and at the meeting.  Thanks much,

--Bruce

>
> Either way to your point the use case should be defined thoroughly.
>
> For the definitions I contend that the draft I proposed should be a WG
> item. Each draft is free to list the definitions that apply therein.
>  However there are definitions that apply to the energy management space in
> general that are handy to list, both for our WG and other SDOs.
>
> Participating in other SDOs as I do I find this helpful and as you pointed
> out for the Cable group already references.
>
> We've spent a lot of time gathering terms and concepts and to scatter them
> in different drafts doesn't do a service to the information we gathered.
>
> We have precedence to define terms whether used in a draft or not AND
> whether used for internet applicability or not.
> See RFCs: 1392, 2828, 4949
>
> The glossary both in my draft and in the examples help define the space
> that all the drafts use.
>
> I propose that the definitions draft be made a WG item after an edit that
> places it in line with the formats of the drafts I cited.
>
> Jp
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: eman-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> eman issue tracker
> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:35 AM
> To: draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement@tools.ietf.org;
> b.hedstrom@cablelabs.com
> Cc: eman@ietf.org
> Subject: [eman] #39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use
> cases, or defined
>
> #39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use cases, or defined
>
>  In the Applicability Statement, the "Control/Controlling" pattern is not
>  drawn out in each use case, like the Metering/Powering/Reporting are.
>
>  Use Case Section Description:
>          In this section a selection of scenarios for energy management
>          are presented.  The fundamental objective of the use cases is to
>          list important network scenarios that the EMAN framework should
>          solve.  These use cases then drive the requirements for the EMAN
>          framework.
>
>          Each scenario lists target devices for which the energy
>          management framework can be applied, how the reported-on devices
>          are powered, and how the reporting is accomplished.  While there
>          is some overlap between some of the use cases, the use cases
>          illustrate network scenarios that the EMAN framework supports.
>
>  Each Use Case has:
>  The essential properties of this use case are:
>
>            . Target devices: network devices such as routers and
>               switches as well as their components.
>            . How powered: typically by a Power Distribution Unit (PDU)
>               on a rack or from a wall outlet.  The components of a
>               device are powered by the device chassis.
>            . Reporting: direct power measurement can be performed at a
>               device level.  Components can report their power
>               consumption directly or the chassis/device that can report
>               on behalf of some components.
>  In addition, I do not see a thorough definition of control in the draft
> to  explain the meaning in this context.  The definitions draft
> draft-parello-
>  eman-definitions-08 provides a definition for Energy Control. This draft
>  should reference that definition and use this term.  The term definition
>  in the Definitions draft does not appear to restrict the definition of
>  Control to changing the energy/power state of a device.  Is there a
>  disconnect between these drafts in the meaning of "Control"?
>
> --
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> Component:  applicability-statement  |  Milestone:
>  Severity:  -                        |    Version:  2.0
>                                      |   Keywords:
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Comments inline below.<br><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:19 AM, John P=
arello (jparello) <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jparello@cisco.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">jparello@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Brain,<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
<br>
+1 on your comments. So I see two things you want that I agree with.<br>
<br>
1) Spell out the use case for control in line with the other use cases<br><=
/blockquote><div><br></div><div>The applicability statement seems fine as i=
t is.<br></div><div>The ability to control devices doesn&#39;t introduce ne=
w content into<br>
the framework or its applicability in the way that reporting or<br>powering=
 do.<br></div><div>=A0<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
2) Definitions should be uniform and map to a common glossary draft<br></bl=
ockquote><div>=A0</div><div>I thought we already put the definitions into t=
he framework draft making<br>it unnecessary to have a separate one only for=
 definitions.<br>
Otherwise, why were they put into the framework draft?<br></div><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
I agree with those two points.<br>
<br>
Bruce commented that control is a &quot;small part of EMAN&quot;. I disagre=
e with that. =A0It&#39;s either part of the standard or not. Whether it&#39=
;s a small or large portion is up to the deployment not the standard. =A0If=
 I deploy a standard, the portions that are of concern to me may be much la=
rger than that for others. So I may care about control more than some other=
 deployment.<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>No one said that control is not part of em=
an.<br></div><div>I simply observed objective facts about how large a<br>pa=
rt of eman it is.=A0 For example, of 65 requirements,<br>four are on the re=
latively obscure issue of proxy control,<br>
and of the remaining sixty one, 2 are about control and<br></div><div>59 ar=
e not.=A0 People may make good use of those <br></div><div>features that em=
an specifies, and that is all to the good,<br>but it doesn&#39;t change the=
 objective facts about how<br>
much of eman content is about control.<br><br></div><div>After today I am o=
ffline for a week and look forward<br></div><div>when I return to hearing a=
bout progress on the list<br>and at the meeting.=A0 Thanks much,<br><br></d=
iv>
<div>--Bruce <br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 =
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<br>
Either way to your point the use case should be defined thoroughly.<br>
<br>
For the definitions I contend that the draft I proposed should be a WG item=
. Each draft is free to list the definitions that apply therein. =A0However=
 there are definitions that apply to the energy management space in general=
 that are handy to list, both for our WG and other SDOs.<br>


<br>
Participating in other SDOs as I do I find this helpful and as you pointed =
out for the Cable group already references.<br>
<br>
We&#39;ve spent a lot of time gathering terms and concepts and to scatter t=
hem in different drafts doesn&#39;t do a service to the information we gath=
ered.<br>
<br>
We have precedence to define terms whether used in a draft or not AND wheth=
er used for internet applicability or not.<br>
See RFCs: 1392, 2828, 4949<br>
<br>
The glossary both in my draft and in the examples help define the space tha=
t all the drafts use.<br>
<br>
I propose that the definitions draft be made a WG item after an edit that p=
laces it in line with the formats of the drafts I cited.<br>
<br>
Jp<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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es@ietf.org</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"=
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Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:35 AM<br>
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rom@cablelabs.com</a><br>

Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:eman@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">eman@ietf.org</a><br=
>
Subject: [eman] #39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use ca=
ses, or defined<br>
<br>
#39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use cases, or defined<=
br>
<br>
=A0In the Applicability Statement, the &quot;Control/Controlling&quot; patt=
ern is not =A0drawn out in each use case, like the Metering/Powering/Report=
ing are.<br>
<br>
=A0Use Case Section Description:<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0In this section a selection of scenarios for energy mana=
gement<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0are presented. =A0The fundamental objective of the use c=
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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0list important network scenarios that the EMAN framework=
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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0solve. =A0These use cases then drive the requirements fo=
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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0framework.<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Each scenario lists target devices for which the energy<=
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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0management framework can be applied, how the reported-on=
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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0are powered, and how the reporting is accomplished. =A0W=
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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0is some overlap between some of the use cases, the use c=
ases<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0illustrate network scenarios that the EMAN framework sup=
ports.<br>
<br>
=A0Each Use Case has:<br>
=A0The essential properties of this use case are:<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0. Target devices: network devices such as routers an=
d<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 switches as well as their components.<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0. How powered: typically by a Power Distribution Uni=
t (PDU)<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 on a rack or from a wall outlet. =A0The compone=
nts of a<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 device are powered by the device chassis.<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0. Reporting: direct power measurement can be perform=
ed at a<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 device level. =A0Components can report their po=
wer<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 consumption directly or the chassis/device that=
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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 on behalf of some components.<br>
=A0In addition, I do not see a thorough definition of control in the draft =
to =A0explain the meaning in this context. =A0The definitions draft draft-p=
arello-<br>
=A0eman-definitions-08 provides a definition for Energy Control. This draft=
 =A0should reference that definition and use this term. =A0The term definit=
ion =A0in the Definitions draft does not appear to restrict the definition =
of =A0Control to changing the energy/power state of a device. =A0Is there a=
 =A0disconnect between these drafts in the meaning of &quot;Control&quot;?<=
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In preparing the Energy Reporting Framework draft,
I came across two requirements that seemed to me to
address the same issue.  They are:

  8.1.2.  Identity Of Other Power State Controlled Entities

   The standard must provide means for reporting the identities of the
   entities for which the reporting entity has means to control their
   Power States.  Note that, in some situations, a manual configuration
   might be required to populate this information.

8.1.3.  List Of All Power State Controlled Entities

   The standard must provide means for an entity to report the list of
   all entities for which it can control the Power State.

  or, a more abbreviated way of viewing these is:

  8.1.2. reporting the identities of the entities for which the
       reporting entity has means to control their Power States.

8.1.3. an entity to report the list of all entities for which it can
       control the Power State.


If they are duplicate, then I suppose any framework that meets
one meets the other so there is no problem.  If they have different
meaning, we should know clearly what that is.

Thanks,

--Bruce

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>In preparing the Energy Reporting Fram=
ework draft,<br>I came across two requirements that seemed to me to<br></di=
v>address the same issue.=A0 They are:<br><br>

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he standard must provide means for reporting the identities of the
   entities for which the reporting entity has means to control their
   Power States.  Note that, in some situations, a manual configuration
   might be required to populate this information.
</span></pre>
						<pre><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:&#39;Courier&#39;">8.1.=
3.  List Of All Power State Controlled Entities
</span></pre>
						<pre><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:&#39;Courier&#39;">   T=
he standard must provide means for an entity to report the list of
   all entities for which it can control the Power State.
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					<pre><font><span style=3D"font-family:&#39;Courier&#39;">8.1.3. an ent=
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eets<br></div>one meets the other so there is no problem.=A0 If they have d=
ifferent<br>meaning, we should know clearly what that is.<br><br>Thanks,<br=
>
<br></div>--Bruce<br clear=3D"all"><div><div><div><div><div><div><br>-- <br=
><font size=3D"4"><b>Bruce Nordman</b></font><br><span style=3D"color:rgb(0=
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Juergen--

These are all good comments I can incorporate into the next version.
I look forward to review of this draft on the list by others to gather
additional useful input.

The only item I would disagree with is on metering topology.
One cannot meter power differently from how it is distributed.
Metering is something that occurs at a subset of points in
a power distribution topology, so it is an aspect of power
distribution, not separate.

Thanks,

--Bruce


On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Juergen Quittek <Quittek@neclab.eu> wrote:

> Hi Bruce,
>
> I have reviewed the draft version -01.
>
> Indeed this framework is using a "keep it simple" approach.
> It needs less concepts and much less text than our current
> WG draft. The introduction of concepts in sections 2 and 3
> is amazingly easy to read (considering the lengthy and complex
> discussions we had on the "right" concepts).
>
> Even with a reduced number of concepts it is still complete.
> And it still meets (at least almost) all requirements as stated
> in our requirements draft (which has good chances to become
> RFC before IETF#87). How requirements are met is described
> for each requirement.
>
> Section 3
> This section give a good overview of power distribution and
> reporting topologies. It lacks a discussion of the metering
> topology. You list this as open issue #3 in section 8 and I think
> it is the most important of the open issues.
>
> Sections 4+5: purpose of the sections
> These sections serves two purposes at the same time.
> One is listing which requirements are met and how they are met.
> The other one is elaborating the framework and adding small
> features where needed to meet the requirements. This is not a
> straight forward approach, but the results seems to be compact
> and efficient.
>
> Sections 4+5: requirements and options
> There is a lack of clarity about requirements, recommendations
> and options in these two sections. It is often not clear which features
> are MANADATORY, RECOMMENDED, or OPTIONAL, or something else,
> see the following examples:
>    Section 4.1: "a widely useful feature is ..."
>    Section 4.2: "the first item needed is ..."
>    Section 4.2: "will typically be of the form ..."
>    Section 4.3: "Each device provides a list of ..."
>    Section 4.4: "They can be represented  by ..."
> ... and so on.
> It would be helpful to state more clearly what the framework sees
> as MUST, SHOULD or MAY, respectively. The introductions of
> section 4 says the "basic" features are "required". If they are
> required it would be useful to clearly identify what is basic. It looks
> like even basic features have options. This does not mean that I
> disagree with the proposed features, but I would like to better
> understand which are essential and which not.
>
> Sections 4+5: data formats
> In section 4.2 you suggest using a string of the form "name=value".
> In section 5.1 you suggest using "type:value".
> I am not sure these two fit well together.
>
> Detailed comments:
> Section 4.2, line 4: "will typically" -> "can be"
> Section 5.1, line 3: ", with each having" -> ". They can have"
> Section 8.2, line 1: "Framework draft" -> "Framework and Battery MIB
> drafts"
>
> Cheers,
>     Juergen
>
>
>
>
> Looking at the open issues listed in section 8, there is one
> That I think is most essential:
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: eman-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> > Of Bruce Nordman
> > Sent: Mittwoch, 17. Juli 2013 00:30
> > To: eman mailing list
> > Subject: [eman] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-nordman-eman-er-
> > framework-01.txt
> >
> > I have updated the Energy Reporting Framework (ERF) draft that I posted
> last
> > week.
> >
> >
> > The -01 version:
> > --has some wording changes to clarify some points, --fixes reference
> > formatting,
> >
> > --adds brand and model fields to the basic data, and
> >
> > --adds and drops some outstanding issues.
> >
> > I believe that this document is the best one we have available that
> meets the
> > charter needs for the framework for EMAN.
> >
> >
> > Compared to content of draft-ietf-eman-framework-08, the ERF is
> >
> > simpler while having more capabilities, and so should be easier to
> implement
> > and use.  Compared to the presentation of draft-ietf-eman-framework-08,
> > the ERF is much shorter and I believe much more accessible to a variety
> of
> > audiences - which will be important for EMAN to be successful.
> >
> >
> > I look forward to comments on the list on how to improve this draft for a
> > version -02.  I am unable to be in Berlin but this draft will be
> presented there
> > and so I look forward to the minutes from the meeting and any
> > improvements to the draft that arise from that.
> >
> > (I will be off email the week of the IETF meeting).
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > --Bruce
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
> > Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:41 PM
> > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-
> > 01.txt
> > To: Bruce Nordman <bnordman@lbl.gov>
> >
> >
> >
> > A new version of I-D, draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt
> > has been successfully submitted by Bruce Nordman and posted to the IETF
> > repository.
> >
> > Filename:        draft-nordman-eman-er-framework
> > Revision:        01
> > Title:           Energy Reporting Framework
> > Creation date:   2013-07-16
> > Group:           Individual Submission
> > Number of pages: 28
> > URL:
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-nordman-eman-er-
> > framework-01.txt
> > Status:          http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nordman-eman-er-
> > framework
> > Htmlized:
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> > 01
> > Diff:            http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-nordman-eman-er-
> > framework-01
> >
> > Abstract:
> >    Managing energy consumption of devices presents new challenges and
> >    issues.  The EMAN Requirements draft identifies essential
> >    capabilities needed to accomplish this.  This draft describes how an
> >    energy management system can use EMAN to gather and interpret data
> >    from individual devices, and how some of the Requirements are
> >    implemented in the model.  This document focuses on Energy Reporting,
> >    though acknowledges and fully includes the limited control functions
> >    specified in the Requirements draft.  Topics addressed in detail
> >    include the topology of power distribution, reporting mechanisms, and
> >    the various roles of devices, power interfaces, and components.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The IETF Secretariat
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bruce Nordman
> > Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
> > nordman.lbl.gov
> > BNordman@LBL.gov
> > 510-486-7089
> > m: 510-501-7943
>
>


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Juergen--<br><br>These are all good comment=
s I can incorporate into the next version.<br>I look forward to review of t=
his draft on the list by others to gather <br>additional useful input.=A0 <=
br>
<br></div>The only item I would disagree with is on metering topology.<br>O=
ne cannot meter power differently from how it is distributed.<br>Metering i=
s something that occurs at a subset of points in<br>a power distribution to=
pology, so it is an aspect of power<br>
distribution, not separate.<br><br></div>Thanks,<br><br></div>--Bruce<br></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, J=
ul 21, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Juergen Quittek <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:Quittek@neclab.eu" target=3D"_blank">Quittek@neclab.eu</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Bruce,<br>
<br>
I have reviewed the draft version -01.<br>
<br>
Indeed this framework is using a &quot;keep it simple&quot; approach.<br>
It needs less concepts and much less text than our current<br>
WG draft. The introduction of concepts in sections 2 and 3<br>
is amazingly easy to read (considering the lengthy and complex<br>
discussions we had on the &quot;right&quot; concepts).<br>
<br>
Even with a reduced number of concepts it is still complete.<br>
And it still meets (at least almost) all requirements as stated<br>
in our requirements draft (which has good chances to become<br>
RFC before IETF#87). How requirements are met is described<br>
for each requirement.<br>
<br>
Section 3<br>
This section give a good overview of power distribution and<br>
reporting topologies. It lacks a discussion of the metering<br>
topology. You list this as open issue #3 in section 8 and I think<br>
it is the most important of the open issues.<br>
<br>
Sections 4+5: purpose of the sections<br>
These sections serves two purposes at the same time.<br>
One is listing which requirements are met and how they are met.<br>
The other one is elaborating the framework and adding small<br>
features where needed to meet the requirements. This is not a<br>
straight forward approach, but the results seems to be compact<br>
and efficient.<br>
<br>
Sections 4+5: requirements and options<br>
There is a lack of clarity about requirements, recommendations<br>
and options in these two sections. It is often not clear which features<br>
are MANADATORY, RECOMMENDED, or OPTIONAL, or something else,<br>
see the following examples:<br>
=A0 =A0Section 4.1: &quot;a widely useful feature is ...&quot;<br>
=A0 =A0Section 4.2: &quot;the first item needed is ...&quot;<br>
=A0 =A0Section 4.2: &quot;will typically be of the form ...&quot;<br>
=A0 =A0Section 4.3: &quot;Each device provides a list of ...&quot;<br>
=A0 =A0Section 4.4: &quot;They can be represented =A0by ...&quot;<br>
... and so on.<br>
It would be helpful to state more clearly what the framework sees<br>
as MUST, SHOULD or MAY, respectively. The introductions of<br>
section 4 says the &quot;basic&quot; features are &quot;required&quot;. If =
they are<br>
required it would be useful to clearly identify what is basic. It looks<br>
like even basic features have options. This does not mean that I<br>
disagree with the proposed features, but I would like to better<br>
understand which are essential and which not.<br>
<br>
Sections 4+5: data formats<br>
In section 4.2 you suggest using a string of the form &quot;name=3Dvalue&qu=
ot;.<br>
In section 5.1 you suggest using &quot;type:value&quot;.<br>
I am not sure these two fit well together.<br>
<br>
Detailed comments:<br>
Section 4.2, line 4: &quot;will typically&quot; -&gt; &quot;can be&quot;<br=
>
Section 5.1, line 3: &quot;, with each having&quot; -&gt; &quot;. They can =
have&quot;<br>
Section 8.2, line 1: &quot;Framework draft&quot; -&gt; &quot;Framework and =
Battery MIB drafts&quot;<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
=A0 =A0 Juergen<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Looking at the open issues listed in section 8, there is one<br>
That I think is most essential:<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: <a href=3D"mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org">eman-bounces@ietf.org</=
a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org">eman-bounces@ietf.org</=
a>] On Behalf<br>
&gt; Of Bruce Nordman<br>
&gt; Sent: Mittwoch, 17. Juli 2013 00:30<br>
&gt; To: eman mailing list<br>
&gt; Subject: [eman] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-nordman-eman-e=
r-<br>
&gt; framework-01.txt<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I have updated the Energy Reporting Framework (ERF) draft that I poste=
d last<br>
&gt; week.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The -01 version:<br>
&gt; --has some wording changes to clarify some points, --fixes reference<b=
r>
&gt; formatting,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --adds brand and model fields to the basic data, and<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --adds and drops some outstanding issues.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I believe that this document is the best one we have available that me=
ets the<br>
&gt; charter needs for the framework for EMAN.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Compared to content of draft-ietf-eman-framework-08, the ERF is<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; simpler while having more capabilities, and so should be easier to imp=
lement<br>
&gt; and use. =A0Compared to the presentation of draft-ietf-eman-framework-=
08,<br>
&gt; the ERF is much shorter and I believe much more accessible to a variet=
y of<br>
&gt; audiences - which will be important for EMAN to be successful.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I look forward to comments on the list on how to improve this draft fo=
r a<br>
&gt; version -02. =A0I am unable to be in Berlin but this draft will be pre=
sented there<br>
&gt; and so I look forward to the minutes from the meeting and any<br>
&gt; improvements to the draft that arise from that.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; (I will be off email the week of the IETF meeting).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --Bruce<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
&gt; From: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org">internet-drafts@=
ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Date: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:41 PM<br>
&gt; Subject: New Version Notification for draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-=
<br>
&gt; 01.txt<br>
&gt; To: Bruce Nordman &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bnordman@lbl.gov">bnordman@lbl=
.gov</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; A new version of I-D, draft-nordman-eman-er-framework-01.txt<br>
&gt; has been successfully submitted by Bruce Nordman and posted to the IET=
F<br>
&gt; repository.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Filename: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0draft-nordman-eman-er-framework<br>
&gt; Revision: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A001<br>
&gt; Title: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Energy Reporting Framework<br>
&gt; Creation date: =A0 2013-07-16<br>
&gt; Group: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Individual Submission<br>
&gt; Number of pages: 28<br>
&gt; URL: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 <a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/internet-d=
rafts/draft-nordman-eman-er-" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ietf.org/interne=
t-drafts/draft-nordman-eman-er-</a><br>
&gt; framework-01.txt<br>
&gt; Status: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<a href=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/=
draft-nordman-eman-er-" target=3D"_blank">http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/d=
raft-nordman-eman-er-</a><br>
&gt; framework<br>
&gt; Htmlized: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-n=
ordman-eman-er-framework-" target=3D"_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/dra=
ft-nordman-eman-er-framework-</a><br>
&gt; 01<br>
&gt; Diff: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?ur=
l2=3Ddraft-nordman-eman-er-" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?=
url2=3Ddraft-nordman-eman-er-</a><br>
&gt; framework-01<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Abstract:<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0Managing energy consumption of devices presents new challenges =
and<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0issues. =A0The EMAN Requirements draft identifies essential<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0capabilities needed to accomplish this. =A0This draft describes=
 how an<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0energy management system can use EMAN to gather and interpret d=
ata<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0from individual devices, and how some of the Requirements are<b=
r>
&gt; =A0 =A0implemented in the model. =A0This document focuses on Energy Re=
porting,<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0though acknowledges and fully includes the limited control func=
tions<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0specified in the Requirements draft. =A0Topics addressed in det=
ail<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0include the topology of power distribution, reporting mechanism=
s, and<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0the various roles of devices, power interfaces, and components.=
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The IETF Secretariat<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">&gt;<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Bruce Nordman<br>
&gt; Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://nordman.lbl.gov" target=3D"_blank">nordman.lbl.gov</=
a><br>
&gt; BNordman@LBL.gov<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"tel:510-486-7089" value=3D"+15104867089">510-486-7089</a><b=
r>
&gt; m: <a href=3D"tel:510-501-7943" value=3D"+15105017943">510-501-7943</a=
><br>
<br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><font siz=
e=3D"4"><b>Bruce Nordman</b></font><br><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,153)">L=
awrence Berkeley National Laboratory</span><br><b><span style=3D"color:rgb(=
0,102,0)"><a href=3D"http://nordman.lbl.gov" target=3D"_blank">nordman.lbl.=
gov</a></span></b><br>
BNordman@LBL.gov<br>510-486-7089<br>m: 510-501-7943<br>
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Hi Bruce,

I agree with Brian the use cases needs to be further explained. He proposed=
 great text for an addition which I think should be incorporated.

You didn't read my reply regarding glossary past your signature?. The draft=
s have only what they use not a full glossary of terms as in the examples  =
I sited. So I contend a glossary is useful for the reasons I cited.

ACK on your count of requirements if that's what you meant. If you meant co=
ntrol is a small part of the system or spec then NACK on that. You can have=
 one requirement filling up more of the information model etc. Minor point.

Have a great time off!
Jp






-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Nordman [mailto:bnordman@lbl.gov]=20
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 3:43 PM
To: John Parello (jparello)
Cc: eman issue tracker; draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement@tools.ietf.=
org; b.hedstrom@cablelabs.com; eman@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [eman] #39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the us=
e cases, or defined

Comments inline below.



On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:19 AM, John Parello (jparello) <jparello@cisco.c=
om> wrote:


	Hi Brain,
=09
	Thanks!
=09
	+1 on your comments. So I see two things you want that I agree with.
=09
	1) Spell out the use case for control in line with the other use cases
=09


The applicability statement seems fine as it is.

The ability to control devices doesn't introduce new content into the frame=
work or its applicability in the way that reporting or powering do.

=20


	2) Definitions should be uniform and map to a common glossary draft
=09

=20
I thought we already put the definitions into the framework draft making it=
 unnecessary to have a separate one only for definitions.
Otherwise, why were they put into the framework draft?



	I agree with those two points.
=09
	Bruce commented that control is a "small part of EMAN". I disagree with th=
at.  It's either part of the standard or not. Whether it's a small or large=
 portion is up to the deployment not the standard.  If I deploy a standard,=
 the portions that are of concern to me may be much larger than that for ot=
hers. So I may care about control more than some other deployment.
=09


No one said that control is not part of eman.

I simply observed objective facts about how large a part of eman it is.  Fo=
r example, of 65 requirements, four are on the relatively obscure issue of =
proxy control, and of the remaining sixty one, 2 are about control and

59 are not.  People may make good use of those=20

features that eman specifies, and that is all to the good, but it doesn't c=
hange the objective facts about how much of eman content is about control.


After today I am offline for a week and look forward

when I return to hearing about progress on the list and at the meeting.  Th=
anks much,


--Bruce=20



	Either way to your point the use case should be defined thoroughly.
=09
	For the definitions I contend that the draft I proposed should be a WG ite=
m. Each draft is free to list the definitions that apply therein.  However =
there are definitions that apply to the energy management space in general =
that are handy to list, both for our WG and other SDOs.
=09
	Participating in other SDOs as I do I find this helpful and as you pointed=
 out for the Cable group already references.
=09
	We've spent a lot of time gathering terms and concepts and to scatter them=
 in different drafts doesn't do a service to the information we gathered.
=09
	We have precedence to define terms whether used in a draft or not AND whet=
her used for internet applicability or not.
	See RFCs: 1392, 2828, 4949
=09
	The glossary both in my draft and in the examples help define the space th=
at all the drafts use.
=09
	I propose that the definitions draft be made a WG item after an edit that =
places it in line with the formats of the drafts I cited.
=09
	Jp
=09
=09
=09
	-----Original Message-----
	From: eman-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:eman-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of em=
an issue tracker
	Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:35 AM
	To: draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement@tools.ietf.org; b.hedstrom@cab=
lelabs.com
	Cc: eman@ietf.org
	Subject: [eman] #39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use c=
ases, or defined
=09
	#39: Energy Control not effectively drawn out in the use cases, or defined
=09
	 In the Applicability Statement, the "Control/Controlling" pattern is not =
 drawn out in each use case, like the Metering/Powering/Reporting are.
=09
	 Use Case Section Description:
	         In this section a selection of scenarios for energy management
	         are presented.  The fundamental objective of the use cases is to
	         list important network scenarios that the EMAN framework should
	         solve.  These use cases then drive the requirements for the EMAN
	         framework.
=09
	         Each scenario lists target devices for which the energy
	         management framework can be applied, how the reported-on devices
	         are powered, and how the reporting is accomplished.  While there
	         is some overlap between some of the use cases, the use cases
	         illustrate network scenarios that the EMAN framework supports.
=09
	 Each Use Case has:
	 The essential properties of this use case are:
=09
	           . Target devices: network devices such as routers and
	              switches as well as their components.
	           . How powered: typically by a Power Distribution Unit (PDU)
	              on a rack or from a wall outlet.  The components of a
	              device are powered by the device chassis.
	           . Reporting: direct power measurement can be performed at a
	              device level.  Components can report their power
	              consumption directly or the chassis/device that can report
	              on behalf of some components.
	 In addition, I do not see a thorough definition of control in the draft t=
o  explain the meaning in this context.  The definitions draft draft-parell=
o-
	 eman-definitions-08 provides a definition for Energy Control. This draft =
 should reference that definition and use this term.  The term definition  =
in the Definitions draft does not appear to restrict the definition of  Con=
trol to changing the energy/power state of a device.  Is there a  disconnec=
t between these drafts in the meaning of "Control"?
=09
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	 Reporter:                           |      Owner:  draft-ietf-eman-
	  b.hedstrom@cablelabs.com           |  applicability-
	     Type:  defect                   |  statement@tools.ietf.org
	 Priority:  major                    |     Status:  new
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	 Severity:  -                        |    Version:  2.0
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Hi,

Brain has generated updated UML from the mibs !

If you take a look at the uml generated from the data model (mib) it's matc=
hing up nicely to the information model we have in the framework.

Thanks Brian!

We have the XML to generate the uml and as part of our review of the framew=
ork we should discuss formats and delivery methods again.

Jp

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To: "Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan)" <moulchan@cisco.com<mailto:moulchan@cis=
co.com>>, "John Parello (jparello)" <jparello@cisco.com<mailto:jparello@cis=
co.com>>
Subject: FW: Call to Review UML and MIB

Here is the latest UML model if you plan to update during the Berlin meetin=
g.  Let me know if you update it.

Thanks,
Brian Hedstrom
Senior Architect, Business & Operational Support Systems
CableLabs, Inc.
858 Coal Creek Circle
Louisville, CO 80027
Direct: 303.661.3829
eFax: 303.664.8120
Google+: brian.hedstrom
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Alan,

Let me come back to this email. Thanks for your prototype
Here is RFC 6982 "Improving Awareness of Running Code: The 
Implementation Status Section"

Abstract

    This document describes a simple process that allows authors of
    Internet-Drafts to record the status of known implementations by
    including an Implementation Status section.  This will allow
    reviewers and working groups to assign due consideration to documents
    that have the benefit of running code, which may serve as evidence of
    valuable experimentation and feedback that have made the implemented
    protocols more mature.


We applied it to [EMAN-MON], and we would like to expand that 
"Implementation Status" section.
If you could share details about your prototype, we could complete 
[EMAN-MON] and also add a new section for [EMAN-AWARE].
Here is a good example of that section: 
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-jcardcal-jcard-05

Regards, Benoit

> Hello,
>
> We have been studying the EMAN documents and developing a prototype
> energy-management SNMP agent.  It is clear the EMAN WG has done a
> tremendous amount of work analyzing the energy management problem
> and producing a comprehensive document set.  Reading the background
> documents (framework, requirements, and applicability statements) has
> been enlightening.  Studying the documents to the depth necessary to
> prototype them has been a fruitful experience.
>    
> The content of the MIB-related documents are pretty complete, well-
> thought out, and implementable.  There are places where the documents
> could be clarified or the technical content improved.  I've already
> commented on drafts -07 and -08 of  draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib.txt.
> As soon as possible, I'll comment on the other documents based upon
> the prototyping experience.
>
> Our prototype energy manageable device is loosely based upon the
> scenario described in Section 2.3 of draft-ietf-eman-applicability-
> statement-02.txt.  This scenario describes a network-connected
> workstation powered by a wall outlet.  In the prototype, the work-
> station is self-metering.
>
> Most of the values in the prototype are unchanging data.  The battery
> instrumentation objects, as well as the eoPower object, have time-
> varying values that make the prototype a little more realistic.  The
> entPhysicalIndex values in the ENTITY-MIB, the ENERGY-OBJECT-CONTEXT-MIB,
> the ENERGY-OBJECT-MIB and the POWER-CHARACTERISTICS-MIB should make
> these objects consistent for the self-metering workstation scenio.
> The BATTERY-MIB prototype really does not fit with the self-metering
> workstation scenario, based upon the requirement that the batteryIndex
> values match corresponding entries in the entPhysicalTable.
>
>
> To (hopefully) assist the EMAN WG, the prototype SNMP agent is
> available for testing.  There are two ways to try out the prototype:
>
> -  Traditional SNMP;
> -  A web interface
>
> To use traditional SNMP:
>
> -  Send to  ciagent.snmp.com, port 161 (the standard SNMP port);
>
> -  Use noAuthNoPriv USM user "public" (no auth or priv passwords needed);
>     One can also use SNMPv2c "public" or SNMPv1 "public".
>
> -  To build the SNMP agent, we had to assign OIDs to the draft MIBs
>     (all of the MIBs except for the ENTITY-MIB.)  Each of these have
>     been assigned an OID in the SNMP Research private space.  The
>     top-level OIDs for each MIB are:
>
>     entityMIB:                1.3.6.1.2.1.47
>
>     emanTmp                   1.3.6.1.4.1.99.15.1.10
>     batteryMIB                1.3.6.1.4.1.99.15.1.10.1
>     energyAwareMIB            1.3.6.1.4.1.99.15.1.10.2
>     energyObjectMib           1.3.6.1.4.1.99.15.1.10.3
>     powerCharacteristicsMIB   1.3.6.1.4.1.99.15.1.10.4
>
>
> To use the web interface:
>
> -  Use the URLs:
>
>         http://ciagent.snmp.com:280/subtree/entityMIB
>
>         http://ciagent.snmp.com:280/subtree/emanTmp
>         http://ciagent.snmp.com:280/subtree/batteryMIB
>         http://ciagent.snmp.com:280/subtree/energyAwareMIB
>         http://ciagent.snmp.com:280/subtree/energyObjectMib
>         http://ciagent.snmp.com:280/subtree/powerCharacteristicsMIB
>
>     Omit a trailing slash.  When prompted, the username is "Guest", no
>     password.
>
>
> For demonstration purposes, the web interface is a little easier to use.
> But there really is an SNMP agent underneath it, so you might want to
> actually throw SNMP requests at it to convince yourself.
>
> Hope this effort is helpful to the EMAN WG.  If nothing else, knowing
> that an SNMP agent can be produced from the current documents may be
> of use to the EMAN WG.
>
> Please let me know if you have questions or comments.
>
>
> Sincerly,
> --Alan
>
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Dear all,

It may not be common for a co-author to comment on a draft he contributed t=
o, but since I commented the individual ER framework draft, I want to also =
comment on the WG's EMAN framework draft.  \

Here are my high-level comments on the new version -08 of draft-ietf-eman-f=
ramework. Detailed comments will follow in a separate message.


The draft is improving, particularly in the direction of getting a cleaner =
structure, more consistency, and less redundant concepts and text. Still, f=
urther  improvement in these directions seems to be desirable to me, partic=
ularly towards simplification.

The new structure starts with explaining specifics of energy management (co=
mpared to management tasks that we use to have) and then introduces an abst=
raction for energy management that models managed entities, their propertie=
s and attributes, monitoring and control. On top of this relationships are =
introduced. I wonder is relationships should not be introduced before discu=
ssing monitoring and control.

Then the draft contains a UML (or UML-like) model for all information eleme=
nts used in the sections before, and helpful examples that explain how to u=
se the model. It is debatable whether or not the model including data types=
 should be contained in a framework draft or it should rather be in a separ=
ate document.

With this structure, the draft is much easier to read and to understand tha=
n previous versions.


The biggest problem that I still have with the draft is that it rather desc=
ribes how to build an Energy Management System (EnMS) than what needs to be=
 on the wire or on the managed entities. Two examples illustrate this:
1. Concepts are introduced based on software-engineering aspects rather tha=
n on aspects describing the physical reality. An example is the Energy Obje=
ct for which the draft explains: "An Energy Object is an abstract class tha=
t contains the base attributes for Energy Management." This may be a nice g=
uideline for implementing it, but is not exactly what I want to understand =
the real world behind it.
2. The draft seems to propose that concepts and structures that in my opini=
on could be hidden in the EnMS get pushed down to the managed entities. The=
 draft requests that many things that today are modeled in the management s=
ystems are visible at the devices. One example out of several is the reques=
t to write relations down to the devices (potentially beyond need): "In som=
e situations, it is not possible [for the device] to discover the energy ob=
ject relationships, and they must be set by an EnMS or administrator." I th=
ink it is OK if the EnMS knows them. No need to write them to the device. S=
imilar considerations concern context-related information.
 =20
Without stating this anywhere explicitly, the draft is focusing on building=
 management. Is this the dominant use case? Many statements in the draft ar=
e obviously relevant for building management and need a "translation" to en=
ergy management of other kinds of units. An example out of several is the d=
efinition of 'Importance': "An Energy Object can provide an importance valu=
e in the range of 1 to 100 to help rank a device's use or relative value to=
 the site." What is a site? What if there is none?

I see room for improvement in Section 4.8 where recommendations for relatio=
nships are given. Here the draft over-specifies how an EnMS is implemented =
and what how an EnMS should work internally.=20

As conclusion: there is a big improvement. The draft is moving towards the =
right direction, but still some way to go.

I look forward to a vivid discussion.

Cheers,
    Juergen





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Is the jabber client or the audio streaming working ?

Thanks
Mouli

On 16/07/13 6:45 AM, "Nevil Brownlee" <n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz> wrote:

>
>Hi all:
>
>The latest version of our agenda is now available at
>
>   http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/87/agenda/agenda-87-eman
>
>Don't forget to read the Framework draft!
>
>Cheers, Nevil
>
>PS: To presenters - since our session is in the first time-slot of
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>     28 July (or earlier) so that I can get them onto the Meeting
>     Materials page!
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Im looking into this now...

On Jul 29, 2013:9:05 AM, at 9:05 AM, "Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan)" =
<moulchan@cisco.com> wrote:

> Is the jabber client or the audio streaming working ?
>=20
> Thanks
> Mouli
>=20
> On 16/07/13 6:45 AM, "Nevil Brownlee" <n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz> =
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>=20
>>=20
>> Hi all:
>>=20
>> The latest version of our agenda is now available at
>>=20
>>  http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/87/agenda/agenda-87-eman
>>=20
>> Don't forget to read the Framework draft!
>>=20
>> Cheers, Nevil
>>=20
>> PS: To presenters - since our session is in the first time-slot of
>>    the week, please send me your slides by about 1800 on Sunday
>>    28 July (or earlier) so that I can get them onto the Meeting
>>    Materials page!
>>=20
>> --=20
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941             The University of Auckland
>> FAX: +64 9 373 7453   Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand
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Audio is definitely NOT working for Benoit or myself. We're sending =
email to have this fixed...

On Jul 29, 2013:9:16 AM, at 9:16 AM, Thomas Nadeau =
<tnadeau@lucidvision.com> wrote:

> Im looking into this now...
>=20
> On Jul 29, 2013:9:05 AM, at 9:05 AM, "Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan)" =
<moulchan@cisco.com> wrote:
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>> Is the jabber client or the audio streaming working ?
>>=20
>> Thanks
>> Mouli
>>=20
>> On 16/07/13 6:45 AM, "Nevil Brownlee" <n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz> =
wrote:
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Hi all:
>>>=20
>>> The latest version of our agenda is now available at
>>>=20
>>> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/87/agenda/agenda-87-eman
>>>=20
>>> Don't forget to read the Framework draft!
>>>=20
>>> Cheers, Nevil
>>>=20
>>> PS: To presenters - since our session is in the first time-slot of
>>>   the week, please send me your slides by about 1800 on Sunday
>>>   28 July (or earlier) so that I can get them onto the Meeting
>>>   Materials page!
>>>=20
>>> --=20
>>> =
---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Nevil Brownlee                          Computer Science Department
>>> Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941             The University of Auckland
>>> FAX: +64 9 373 7453   Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand
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Jürgen,

Thanks for your feedback. "the draft is improving" is reassuring.
As you mentioned, you are a co-author. So feel free to improve the text, 
sooner than later.

Regards, Benoit
> Dear all,
>
> It may not be common for a co-author to comment on a draft he contributed to, but since I commented the individual ER framework draft, I want to also comment on the WG's EMAN framework draft.  \
>
> Here are my high-level comments on the new version -08 of draft-ietf-eman-framework. Detailed comments will follow in a separate message.
>
>
> The draft is improving, particularly in the direction of getting a cleaner structure, more consistency, and less redundant concepts and text. Still, further  improvement in these directions seems to be desirable to me, particularly towards simplification.
>
> The new structure starts with explaining specifics of energy management (compared to management tasks that we use to have) and then introduces an abstraction for energy management that models managed entities, their properties and attributes, monitoring and control. On top of this relationships are introduced. I wonder is relationships should not be introduced before discussing monitoring and control.
>
> Then the draft contains a UML (or UML-like) model for all information elements used in the sections before, and helpful examples that explain how to use the model. It is debatable whether or not the model including data types should be contained in a framework draft or it should rather be in a separate document.
>
> With this structure, the draft is much easier to read and to understand than previous versions.
>
>
> The biggest problem that I still have with the draft is that it rather describes how to build an Energy Management System (EnMS) than what needs to be on the wire or on the managed entities. Two examples illustrate this:
> 1. Concepts are introduced based on software-engineering aspects rather than on aspects describing the physical reality. An example is the Energy Object for which the draft explains: "An Energy Object is an abstract class that contains the base attributes for Energy Management." This may be a nice guideline for implementing it, but is not exactly what I want to understand the real world behind it.
> 2. The draft seems to propose that concepts and structures that in my opinion could be hidden in the EnMS get pushed down to the managed entities. The draft requests that many things that today are modeled in the management systems are visible at the devices. One example out of several is the request to write relations down to the devices (potentially beyond need): "In some situations, it is not possible [for the device] to discover the energy object relationships, and they must be set by an EnMS or administrator." I think it is OK if the EnMS knows them. No need to write them to the device. Similar considerations concern context-related information.
>    
> Without stating this anywhere explicitly, the draft is focusing on building management. Is this the dominant use case? Many statements in the draft are obviously relevant for building management and need a "translation" to energy management of other kinds of units. An example out of several is the definition of 'Importance': "An Energy Object can provide an importance value in the range of 1 to 100 to help rank a device's use or relative value to the site." What is a site? What if there is none?
>
> I see room for improvement in Section 4.8 where recommendations for relationships are given. Here the draft over-specifies how an EnMS is implemented and what how an EnMS should work internally.
>
> As conclusion: there is a big improvement. The draft is moving towards the right direction, but still some way to go.
>
> I look forward to a vivid discussion.
>
> Cheers,
>      Juergen
>
>
>
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Hi Juergen,

I was about to send a detailed reply, but how about we just meet up and go =
over the draft at a keyboard and work it through.

I'm free anytime tomorrow and Thursday.=20
Jp


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(expect ridiculous spelling mistakes)=20

On Jul 29, 2013, at 8:40 AM, "Juergen Quittek" <Quittek@neclab.eu> wrote:

> Dear all,
>=20
> It may not be common for a co-author to comment on a draft he contributed=
 to, but since I commented the individual ER framework draft, I want to als=
o comment on the WG's EMAN framework draft.  \
>=20
> Here are my high-level comments on the new version -08 of draft-ietf-eman=
-framework. Detailed comments will follow in a separate message.
>=20
>=20
> The draft is improving, particularly in the direction of getting a cleane=
r structure, more consistency, and less redundant concepts and text. Still,=
 further  improvement in these directions seems to be desirable to me, part=
icularly towards simplification.
>=20
> The new structure starts with explaining specifics of energy management (=
compared to management tasks that we use to have) and then introduces an ab=
straction for energy management that models managed entities, their propert=
ies and attributes, monitoring and control. On top of this relationships ar=
e introduced. I wonder is relationships should not be introduced before dis=
cussing monitoring and control.
>=20
> Then the draft contains a UML (or UML-like) model for all information ele=
ments used in the sections before, and helpful examples that explain how to=
 use the model. It is debatable whether or not the model including data typ=
es should be contained in a framework draft or it should rather be in a sep=
arate document.
>=20
> With this structure, the draft is much easier to read and to understand t=
han previous versions.
>=20
>=20
> The biggest problem that I still have with the draft is that it rather de=
scribes how to build an Energy Management System (EnMS) than what needs to =
be on the wire or on the managed entities. Two examples illustrate this:
> 1. Concepts are introduced based on software-engineering aspects rather t=
han on aspects describing the physical reality. An example is the Energy Ob=
ject for which the draft explains: "An Energy Object is an abstract class t=
hat contains the base attributes for Energy Management." This may be a nice=
 guideline for implementing it, but is not exactly what I want to understan=
d the real world behind it.
> 2. The draft seems to propose that concepts and structures that in my opi=
nion could be hidden in the EnMS get pushed down to the managed entities. T=
he draft requests that many things that today are modeled in the management=
 systems are visible at the devices. One example out of several is the requ=
est to write relations down to the devices (potentially beyond need): "In s=
ome situations, it is not possible [for the device] to discover the energy =
object relationships, and they must be set by an EnMS or administrator." I =
think it is OK if the EnMS knows them. No need to write them to the device.=
 Similar considerations concern context-related information.
>=20
> Without stating this anywhere explicitly, the draft is focusing on buildi=
ng management. Is this the dominant use case? Many statements in the draft =
are obviously relevant for building management and need a "translation" to =
energy management of other kinds of units. An example out of several is the=
 definition of 'Importance': "An Energy Object can provide an importance va=
lue in the range of 1 to 100 to help rank a device's use or relative value =
to the site." What is a site? What if there is none?
>=20
> I see room for improvement in Section 4.8 where recommendations for relat=
ionships are given. Here the draft over-specifies how an EnMS is implemente=
d and what how an EnMS should work internally.=20
>=20
> As conclusion: there is a big improvement. The draft is moving towards th=
e right direction, but still some way to go.
>=20
> I look forward to a vivid discussion.
>=20
> Cheers,
>    Juergen
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
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> --
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> General Manager     http://www.neclab.eu    Fax: +49 6221 4342-155
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Hi Bruce,

I think it you're right assuming that the list of in 8.1.3 refers to a list=
 of identifiers. Since the document is in the RFC editor's queue, can we qu=
ickly come to a conclusion on this? Anybody seeing a difference in 8.1.2. a=
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> In preparing the Energy Reporting Framework draft, I came across two
> requirements that seemed to me to
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> address the same issue.  They are:
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>=20
> 8.1.2.  Identity Of Other Power State Controlled Entities
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>    The standard must provide means for reporting the identities of the
>    entities for which the reporting entity has means to control their
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> 8.1.3.  List Of All Power State Controlled Entities
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>    The standard must provide means for an entity to report the list of
>    all entities for which it can control the Power State.
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> or, a more abbreviated way of viewing these is:
>=20
>=20
> 8.1.2. reporting the identities of the entities for which the
>        reporting entity has means to control their Power States.
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> 8.1.3. an entity to report the list of all entities for which it can
>        control the Power State.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> If they are duplicate, then I suppose any framework that meets
>=20
> one meets the other so there is no problem.  If they have different
> meaning, we should know clearly what that is.
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> Thanks,
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> --Bruce
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John,

This is Izumi, I asked you about device connectivity at yesterday's
Eman meeting.

At this time, I would like to reconfirm, that you said that the
framework does not cover devices for which we can not measure
energy consumption directly.

Is this O.K.? Note, there are several ways in which we can infer
that a device is consuming energy, but few devices offer means of
measuring how much energy is consumed. Almost all electrical devices
of today fall in this category. Lights, heaters, mobile devices,
home appliances, computer devices just name them. We may figure
out that the device is on but the devices do offer means of
measuring energy consumption. (Not without introducing additional
devices.)

The above restriction will severly constrain the applicability of
the framework in todays environment.

What do you think this?

Regard,
Satoru Izumi, Ph.D
Research Fellow
Research Institute of Electrical Communication, Tohoku University
Tel&FAX: +81-22-217-5080
izumi@shiratori.riec.tohoku.ac.jp

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Hi Satoru,

I think I miss understood your question during the session. I thought you w=
ere asking if we modeled connectivity (network information) in our framewor=
k information model.

For your question below I take it that you are asking about devices that ar=
e not network (ip) connected.

The framework defines an information model that we would like devices to im=
plement. If they are not ip connected they may be accessible via other seri=
al protocol like knx, mod-bus, bacnet etc.

If these devices implement the information model they can then be easily ma=
naged via gateways that translate data from serial to ip networks.

The reason we want a common information model is so that manufacturers of t=
hese gateways can have a clear understanding of what to translate and the s=
emantics of the information they translate.

I run such a program with Cisco and we have lots of partners who translate =
bacnet for example to our information model. Take a look at a company call =
FieldServer and their Energywise gateway.

For devices with no serial connection or ip connection, then we have no dir=
ect visibility to those devices. If we measure the meter readings from an a=
rea and some portion are readable then there is benefit from the simple sub=
traction of your total energy and the energy you can monitor.

Does that help?
Jp

Sent from my iPad=20
(expect ridiculous spelling mistakes)=20

On Jul 30, 2013, at 9:14 AM, "Satoru Izumi" <izumi@shiratori.riec.tohoku.ac=
.jp> wrote:

> John,
>=20
> This is Izumi, I asked you about device connectivity at yesterday's
> Eman meeting.
>=20
> At this time, I would like to reconfirm, that you said that the
> framework does not cover devices for which we can not measure
> energy consumption directly.
>=20
> Is this O.K.? Note, there are several ways in which we can infer
> that a device is consuming energy, but few devices offer means of
> measuring how much energy is consumed. Almost all electrical devices
> of today fall in this category. Lights, heaters, mobile devices,
> home appliances, computer devices just name them. We may figure
> out that the device is on but the devices do offer means of
> measuring energy consumption. (Not without introducing additional
> devices.)
>=20
> The above restriction will severly constrain the applicability of
> the framework in todays environment.
>=20
> What do you think this?
>=20
> Regard,
> Satoru Izumi, Ph.D
> Research Fellow
> Research Institute of Electrical Communication, Tohoku University
> Tel&FAX: +81-22-217-5080
> izumi@shiratori.riec.tohoku.ac.jp
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Hi all

Please read this draft, let me know if anything needs correcti

Cheers, Nevil


One-para summary:  EMAN WG meeting in Berlin

A new version of the EMAN Framework draft was published mid-July.
This has many changes, everyone is asked to read/review/comment on
it.  It may be possible to simplify the Framework further, but we
don't want that to delay it any longer.
We will start WG Last Call for it about mid-August.


*DRAFT* Minutes of the EMAN meeting at IETF 87 in Berlin

Over-full room, about 45 people attended the meeting + 6 via jabber

Scribe: Paul Aitken, on Etherpad at http://tools.ietf.org/wg/eman/minutes

WG Status
---------
- EMAN Requirements approved, in RFC Editor queue since 2 May 13

Energy Management Framework -08
-------------------------------
Presented by John Parello
- Many changes in this version; sections re-ordered,
   IANA Considerations added, including a Registry for Power States.
   Information model represented (at this stage) in pseudo-code,
   can easily generate other forms of it, e.g. UML.
- How should information model be presented in the draft?
   Strong support for pseudo-code, support also for UML.  It seems
   the draft should include both.
- Draft complexity: conflict here between making the framework simpler
   by removing more relationships, and perhaps by moving the information
   model from it to a new, separate draft.
= Discussion will continue on the list, please read the draft and
   comment; provide new text to improve it.
   We plan to run its first WG Last Call starting about mid-August,
   and may need a second WG Last Call after further revisions.

Energy-aware- MIB -09
Power and Energy Monitoring MIB -06
---------------------
Presented by John Parello.
- Only a few changes.
= Waiting for Framework to become stable, will need to check
   that all the requirements are met

Battery MIB -09
---------------
Presented by Juergen Quittek.
- Needs one more revision, needs to identify slot and battery ID
   for replaceable batteries.
= Waiting on Framework

Applicability Statement -03
---------------------------
Presented by Nevil Brownlee
- Now fairly stable
= Ready for WGLC once Framework is done

Other Presentations
-------------------
At this point we ran out of time (only one hour), so no further
drafts were discussed.  However, the slides for them are on the
Meeting Materials page.

Next Steps:
-----------
- WG Last Call on Framework mid-August, goal is to submit it
   before next IETF meeting.
- MIBs to follow once Framework is submitted, then Applicability
   Statement.

The meeting finished at 1000.

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