From nobody Wed Dec 3 04:01:10 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3598C1A1A9E; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 04:01:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p2WflLlOwRRJ; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 04:01:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D5C1A1A96; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 04:00:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141203120035.21641.43149.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 04:00:35 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/SGYo9MAvJ-AmisYW5e71Z_FdTRw Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: [eman] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-14.txt X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 12:01:07 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Energy Management Working Group of the IETF. Title : Definition of Managed Objects for Battery Monitoring Authors : Juergen Quittek Rolf Winter Thomas Dietz Filename : draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-14.txt Pages : 36 Date : 2014-12-03 Abstract: This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it defines managed objects that provide information on the status of batteries in managed devices. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-14 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-14 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Dec 3 07:48:54 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920171A1B3E; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 07:48:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bbzTMmqhj3dp; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 07:48:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE461A1B81; Wed, 3 Dec 2014 07:48:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141203154846.3003.27891.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 07:48:46 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/ZU79odM1RMDgP8mzIMkTESbjHT0 Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: [eman] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-15.txt X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:48:49 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Energy Management Working Group of the IETF. Title : Definition of Managed Objects for Battery Monitoring Authors : Juergen Quittek Rolf Winter Thomas Dietz Filename : draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-15.txt Pages : 36 Date : 2014-12-03 Abstract: This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it defines managed objects that provide information on the status of batteries in managed devices. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-15 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-15 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Dec 16 07:09:42 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34B61A1B2C; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 07:09:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uz0qYik8qITf; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 07:09:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A281A1B60; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 07:09:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141216150916.15089.46834.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 07:09:16 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/uwDMPYDjwNX0BERcEyNiIvz-TTg Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: [eman] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-16.txt X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 15:09:36 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Energy Management Working Group of the IETF. Title : Definition of Managed Objects for Battery Monitoring Authors : Juergen Quittek Rolf Winter Thomas Dietz Filename : draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-16.txt Pages : 37 Date : 2014-12-16 Abstract: This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it defines managed objects that provide information on the status of batteries in managed devices. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-16 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-16 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Dec 16 22:23:53 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6EC21A3BA0; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 22:23:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sgx1G-z0mbV3; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 22:23:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C9B81A1EFE; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 22:23:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141217062344.3538.92243.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 22:23:44 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/Kd1yp8m8-1L3Hf2dY1AfU0xJDSE Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: [eman] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-17.txt X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 06:23:46 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Energy Management Working Group of the IETF. Title : Definition of Managed Objects for Battery Monitoring Authors : Juergen Quittek Rolf Winter Thomas Dietz Filename : draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-17.txt Pages : 38 Date : 2014-12-16 Abstract: This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it defines managed objects that provide information on the status of batteries in managed devices. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-17 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-17 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Dec 17 01:55:12 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31EA81A86F4; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 01:55:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sOroVUTMVehl; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 01:55:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-3.cisco.com (aer-iport-3.cisco.com [173.38.203.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B5791A86F0; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 01:55:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2127; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1418810108; x=1420019708; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=H+ZsmIPWxW52skUYTrDXBZsfPVejiu+eP6TY8cUF/Vc=; b=DIAIxunNmKRwxy3HGF7/5be8cOyqhIydxknuihRDsxgXKJXBXywjCoMa b0iPH37k424+P6lXCnPDXUw8wLRkB+c/F5XiJFPMSbQJciKNcmlGpmria eA8+odkPtRx5ll+qvA/0jYtoDNdzUFCFjHyT9uuKkCSE58y4F6hh37Aqi I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai8FAJRRkVStJssW/2dsb2JhbABag1hYgwa5O4k+hXACgTABAQEBAX2EDQEBAwEjFTYKAQULCxoCBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFBgEMAQcBAQWIGwgNvgeWHQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAReBIY1vEQFQB4JogUEBBIUjjCKFMoELMIIughCLQCKCMIE9PTABgQuBNwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,592,1413244800"; d="scan'208";a="273353172" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-3.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2014 09:55:06 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.84] (ams-bclaise-8913.cisco.com [10.60.67.84]) by aer-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sBH9t5xI024569; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:55:05 GMT Message-ID: <549152F9.7070307@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:55:05 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Haberman , The IESG References: <20141215135427.19775.86669.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20141215135427.19775.86669.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/7rBA8faE_gyDmyP1cpINqpKEX4Y Cc: draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietf.org, eman mailing list Subject: Re: [eman] Brian Haberman's Discuss on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-08: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:55:10 -0000 Hi Brian, [including the document authors, and the mailing list. An issue with the "send-notices-to" has been corrected in the tracker] See in-line. > Brian Haberman has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-08: Discuss > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I need someone to provide some clarity on this document. It calls itself > an applicability statement, but is categorized as Informational. An IETF > applicability statement is supposed to be a standards track document. I was able to track the source of confusion. From the charter milestones: Jun 2013 Submit Internet draft on Energy Management Applicability for publication as Informational RFC So the authors followed this guideline. You are right about standards track, http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026#section-3, and to be candid, I forgot about that RFC 2026. Shame on me, I know :-), since I was the EMAN AD at some point in time. > However, this document reads more like a combination of use cases and > requirements. If it is really meant to be an AS, then we need to > re-start the process and issue a new last call as a standards track > document. If it is meant to be more requirements and use cases, the text > should be updated to stricken the mention of applicability statement > throughout. This is the last document in the WG, and its goal is AS, not requirements. Requirements was RFC 6988. Regards, Benoit > > > > > . > From nobody Wed Dec 17 01:56:56 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3AA1A870A; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 01:56:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IYZM9eBB15je; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 01:56:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 047541A86E6; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 01:56:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=4222; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1418810212; x=1420019812; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UR874INtQd5RVjoBCLfTOkKu/X9F6VI69iXqMM5Ou4E=; b=j3FsWtBAdaBfPl1OYzkMp63ZUx9I39a/Tq/DXY9NJ9iatl6rRFB9kayR 2nEhU4BdCa6u0NcWAc5Cir57Z7SWScVOrQ0N6Vib52oqpm6FVQx9z11ib F4OtcMvDYlYrjxhE52KDef6bzYSPIz2x1e+Rm9s1ztWQp8ocYFxnT/YmQ c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai8FAMZSkVStJssW/2dsb2JhbABag1hYgwa5O4k+hXACgTEBAQEBAX2EDQEBBCMVNgoBEAsaAgUWBAcCAgkDAgECAUUGAQwBBwEBBYgjDb4MlhwBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEXgSGNaQYRAVAHgmiBQQEEhSOMIoUygQswgi6CECGLHyKCMIE9PTABgQuBNwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,592,1413244800"; d="scan'208";a="278086193" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-2.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2014 09:56:50 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.84] (ams-bclaise-8913.cisco.com [10.60.67.84]) by aer-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sBH9uoMw003103; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:56:50 GMT Message-ID: <54915361.5060602@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:56:49 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Barry Leiba , The IESG References: <20141203160628.24278.10846.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20141203160628.24278.10846.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/jPG96B2ind2YD_fT0Mo3_1Uud-k Cc: draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietf.org, eman mailing list , Nevil Brownlee Subject: Re: [eman] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:56:54 -0000 [including the document authors, and the EMAN mailing list. An issue with the "send-notices-to" has been fixed in the tracker] Regards, Benoit > Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-08: Discuss > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- Section 9.2 -- > You have a bunch of references that lack citations to them, or for which > the citations are incorrect. "[DASH]" is in the references, for example, > but the citation is "[DSP0232]". You have two references for DSP1027, > and one incorrect citation for it. The reference for > [EMAN-MONITORING-MIB] has an incorrect document filename; the correct > name is "draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib". There are more. We > should not be shoving it at the RFC Editor to fix these; please take care > of this before the document is approved. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Minor comments that I hope you'll please consider: > > -- Section 1.2 -- > > The EMAN working group charter called for producing a series of > Internet standard drafts in the area of energy management. The > following drafts were created by the working group. > > I'm not fond of references in the RFCs to what the WG charter said. > Charters change and working groups go away, but RFCs are permanent. > Also, these are not "Internet Standard" as the IETF designates that, so > why not avoid misunderstandings? Also also, they will no longer be > drafts when they're published as RFCs. Simplifying to this should be > good: > > NEW > The EMAN work consists of the following Standards Track and > Informational documents in the area of energy management: > END > > On the [EMAN-AS] reference: it seems very odd for this document to have a > reference to itself. The list headings also aren't separated from the > explanatory text, which makes the list read oddly. I suggest doing it > this way, also using the complete titles of the documents: > > NEW > "Energy Management (EMAN) Applicability Statement" (this > document) presents use cases and scenarios for energy > management. In addition, other relevant energy standards > and architectures are discussed. > > "Requirements for Energy Management" [EMAN-REQ] presents > requirements of energy management and the scope of the > devices considered. > > "Energy Management Framework" [EMAN-FRAMEWORK] defines a > framework for providing energy management for devices > within or connected to communication networks, > > [...etc...] > END > > For the energy-aware MIB explanation, change "proposes" to "defines"; for > the battery MIB explanation, change "contains" to "defines". > > -- Section 1.4 -- > I find it odd that "energy management" or "energy control" seem always to > refer to a reduction in energy use. First, is there a reason there are > two terms? Second, I would think that energy management involves > adjusting the energy usage appropriately, whether that be up or down -- > turning the cooling up when necessary, as well as down when you can. So > I would say that energy management is desirable always... not just during > low utilization or high demand periods. > > -- Section 2.1 -- > ENTITY-MIB needs to cite [RFC6933]. > > > . > From nobody Wed Dec 17 01:58:05 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFCF1A1B91; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 01:58:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kvbDlA_dJGUr; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 01:58:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-4.cisco.com (aer-iport-4.cisco.com [173.38.203.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79F751A6FCB; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 01:57:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1301; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1418810280; x=1420019880; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Qhk8uTqxayiP00SDP2BfY9mdNULP/y6omFve3kUOWUQ=; b=d+TRMXZmTot7IfnIv1mbvrGI4URshYngbKP6nA7xsG2Bofm2XSMmUvTh 2poSc0cE3Qo0C3kZvIMj9hhmh1YmJAIb2uTiargCliSi3Scq9oVGzOjY4 AOZkdodRkpPhkYvFZ2ATVsLrc8zf8yHyANbys0d5bB2oALPTMiCXWzEo/ o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai8FAE5SkVStJssW/2dsb2JhbABag1hYgwa5O4k+hXACgTEBAQEBAX2EDQEBBCMVNgoBEAsODAIFFgsCAgkDAgECAUUGAQwBBwEBBYgjDb4Klh4BAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEXgSGNaQYRAVAHgmiBQQEEhSOMIoUygQswgi6CEItAIoIwgT09MAGBC4E3AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,592,1413244800"; d="scan'208";a="273292509" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-1.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2014 09:57:57 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.84] (ams-bclaise-8913.cisco.com [10.60.67.84]) by aer-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sBH9vvMv021723; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:57:57 GMT Message-ID: <549153A5.7080008@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:57:57 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pete Resnick , The IESG References: <20141214000346.5854.4796.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20141214000346.5854.4796.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/rfe1TyjiQKMLR3Q0U4ssmYCu_gU Cc: draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietf.org, eman mailing list Subject: Re: [eman] Pete Resnick's Discuss on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-08: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:58:02 -0000 [including the document authors, and the EMAN mailing list. An issue with the "send-notices-to" has been fixed in the tracker] Regards, Benoit > Pete Resnick has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-08: Discuss > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > 2.7 (last paragraph) and 2.12 - I do not believe that EMAN is meeting > these use cases. This goes back to my comments on the battery MIB. I > think these use cases should be specifically called out in section 5 as > *out of scope* for EMAN. EMAN does not provide the level of configuration > and monitoring for a home or off-grid *generation* system. > > > > > From nobody Wed Dec 17 04:45:05 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B05F11A89FA; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:45:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xme0Ttukk8oG; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:44:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from uillean.fuaim.com (uillean.fuaim.com [206.197.161.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B6271A89FE; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:44:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from clairseach.fuaim.com (clairseach-high.fuaim.com [206.197.161.158]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by uillean.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5292588136; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:44:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from clemson.local (clairseach.fuaim.com [206.197.161.141]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by clairseach.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A3971C0002; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:44:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54917AC4.6040401@innovationslab.net> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 07:44:52 -0500 From: Brian Haberman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benoit Claise , The IESG References: <20141215135427.19775.86669.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <549152F9.7070307@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <549152F9.7070307@cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="H1k9p5TNv4KoctL3VB2RgRAi9bNMGiuiK" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/kn6vlxynDdqjtmWLpNxRInf1FNI Cc: draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietf.org, eman mailing list Subject: Re: [eman] Brian Haberman's Discuss on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-08: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:45:02 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --H1k9p5TNv4KoctL3VB2RgRAi9bNMGiuiK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Benoit, On 12/17/14 4:55 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: > Hi Brian, >=20 > [including the document authors, and the mailing list. An issue with th= e > "send-notices-to" has been corrected in the tracker] > See in-line. >> Brian Haberman has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-08: Discuss >> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut thi= s >> introductory paragraph, however.) >> >> >> Please refer to http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.ht= ml >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >> >> >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statemen= t/ >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------= >> DISCUSS: >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> I need someone to provide some clarity on this document. It calls its= elf >> an applicability statement, but is categorized as Informational. An I= ETF >> applicability statement is supposed to be a standards track document. > I was able to track the source of confusion. > From the charter milestones: > Jun 2013 Submit Internet draft on Energy Management Applicability > for publication as Informational RFC >=20 > So the authors followed this guideline. > You are right about standards track, > http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026#section-3, and to be candid, I forgo= t > about that RFC 2026. Shame on me, I know :-), since I was the EMAN AD a= t > some point in time. So, if you want to call it an Applicability Statement, the Last Call will need to be run again at the higher standards level. >=20 >> However, this document reads more like a combination of use cases and >> requirements. If it is really meant to be an AS, then we need to >> re-start the process and issue a new last call as a standards track >> document. If it is meant to be more requirements and use cases, the t= ext >> should be updated to stricken the mention of applicability statement >> throughout. > This is the last document in the WG, and its goal is AS, not requiremen= ts. > Requirements was RFC 6988. See above. Regards, Brian --H1k9p5TNv4KoctL3VB2RgRAi9bNMGiuiK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.20 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJUkXrJAAoJEBOZRqCi7goq8joH/i9OH3J1PJiYGlV9WoUBNnRB ppeKqVX/NDolJF2+/18ZeuSSRlA8Fa11/c6gz/ru0CIZRLfxJbFMzgKIaoxFtYV2 4nl2u9jLvXABlLlWfEHFdAf0TcpCiYACH0N/9ekHuum2CewO+qaODVXTGzFEJ8vs ywe2sf0V7j1d2V/MxvexsiO20MnDysic4Jasdt1L9oy7WU1yEPe9D8KK6rqdtk1s rFHr3sYamgzwe3uLsq1Q18/Lo/AsquG6lCI0OrZuUSCEdZ8WcbkohAS5NapQCa7b gfX4sEyRh9XKV6V5JN61MASS2i4w4SNZxa3NR94yZ6HuwdJ5CzQvkToxMZduBqw= =Ajp+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --H1k9p5TNv4KoctL3VB2RgRAi9bNMGiuiK-- From nobody Wed Dec 17 04:45:06 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: expand-draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@virtual.ietf.org Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 1A6D81A89FF; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:45:02 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: xfilter-draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xfilter-draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B05F11A89FA; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:45:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xme0Ttukk8oG; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:44:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from uillean.fuaim.com (uillean.fuaim.com [206.197.161.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B6271A89FE; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:44:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from clairseach.fuaim.com (clairseach-high.fuaim.com [206.197.161.158]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by uillean.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5292588136; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:44:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from clemson.local (clairseach.fuaim.com [206.197.161.141]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by clairseach.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A3971C0002; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:44:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54917AC4.6040401@innovationslab.net> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 07:44:52 -0500 From: Brian Haberman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benoit Claise , The IESG References: <20141215135427.19775.86669.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <549152F9.7070307@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <549152F9.7070307@cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="H1k9p5TNv4KoctL3VB2RgRAi9bNMGiuiK" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/kn6vlxynDdqjtmWLpNxRInf1FNI Cc: draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietf.org, eman mailing list Subject: Re: [eman] Brian Haberman's Discuss on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-08: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:45:02 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --H1k9p5TNv4KoctL3VB2RgRAi9bNMGiuiK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Benoit, On 12/17/14 4:55 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: > Hi Brian, >=20 > [including the document authors, and the mailing list. An issue with th= e > "send-notices-to" has been corrected in the tracker] > See in-line. >> Brian Haberman has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-08: Discuss >> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut thi= s >> introductory paragraph, however.) >> >> >> Please refer to http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.ht= ml >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >> >> >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statemen= t/ >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------= >> DISCUSS: >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> I need someone to provide some clarity on this document. It calls its= elf >> an applicability statement, but is categorized as Informational. An I= ETF >> applicability statement is supposed to be a standards track document. > I was able to track the source of confusion. > From the charter milestones: > Jun 2013 Submit Internet draft on Energy Management Applicability > for publication as Informational RFC >=20 > So the authors followed this guideline. > You are right about standards track, > http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026#section-3, and to be candid, I forgo= t > about that RFC 2026. Shame on me, I know :-), since I was the EMAN AD a= t > some point in time. So, if you want to call it an Applicability Statement, the Last Call will need to be run again at the higher standards level. >=20 >> However, this document reads more like a combination of use cases and >> requirements. If it is really meant to be an AS, then we need to >> re-start the process and issue a new last call as a standards track >> document. If it is meant to be more requirements and use cases, the t= ext >> should be updated to stricken the mention of applicability statement >> throughout. > This is the last document in the WG, and its goal is AS, not requiremen= ts. > Requirements was RFC 6988. See above. Regards, Brian --H1k9p5TNv4KoctL3VB2RgRAi9bNMGiuiK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.20 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJUkXrJAAoJEBOZRqCi7goq8joH/i9OH3J1PJiYGlV9WoUBNnRB ppeKqVX/NDolJF2+/18ZeuSSRlA8Fa11/c6gz/ru0CIZRLfxJbFMzgKIaoxFtYV2 4nl2u9jLvXABlLlWfEHFdAf0TcpCiYACH0N/9ekHuum2CewO+qaODVXTGzFEJ8vs ywe2sf0V7j1d2V/MxvexsiO20MnDysic4Jasdt1L9oy7WU1yEPe9D8KK6rqdtk1s rFHr3sYamgzwe3uLsq1Q18/Lo/AsquG6lCI0OrZuUSCEdZ8WcbkohAS5NapQCa7b gfX4sEyRh9XKV6V5JN61MASS2i4w4SNZxa3NR94yZ6HuwdJ5CzQvkToxMZduBqw= =Ajp+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --H1k9p5TNv4KoctL3VB2RgRAi9bNMGiuiK-- From nobody Wed Dec 17 04:57:19 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B931A8A3F; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:57:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4HRdGvjJyg5K; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:57:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A4061A8A1B; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:57:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2548; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1418821034; x=1420030634; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LAiddUrnKD9oGItyKaDndF4cuOyo3rx+tzvMRDf4ats=; b=YuX25hfmlOLO6ch+ijNhLGc7fHjkBwU5OxK7kGi9oD8mn7oZpsSf2rK9 /R6QCCaT42JrCGhVbbKZmhGWygnb/8dVGSEiE9I4pspANzpfGwYN9q2dU yIO74P2XnNYuyNeNdXiMlJgWmVM8+2KYb5owKVaIq1/oPcDyJRSIa84AE g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArMEADR9kVStJssW/2dsb2JhbABag1hYvEOJNYVwAoE3AQEBAQF9hA0BAQQ4NgoBEAsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRQYBDAEHAQEFiCMN1CABAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEXjxARAVAHhCkBBIUljCGFMoELMIIxghCLRCKCMIE9PTEBgQuBNwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,593,1413244800"; d="scan'208";a="278249533" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-2.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2014 12:57:12 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.84] (ams-bclaise-8913.cisco.com [10.60.67.84]) by aer-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sBHCvCIr005151; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:57:12 GMT Message-ID: <54917DA8.1000408@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:57:12 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Haberman , The IESG References: <20141215135427.19775.86669.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <549152F9.7070307@cisco.com> <54917AC4.6040401@innovationslab.net> In-Reply-To: <54917AC4.6040401@innovationslab.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/Zj3KH2hT6w3ZrNPZV8PFyujNumM Cc: draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietf.org, eman mailing list Subject: Re: [eman] Brian Haberman's Discuss on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-08: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:57:16 -0000 On 17/12/2014 13:44, Brian Haberman wrote: > Hi Benoit, > > On 12/17/14 4:55 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: >> Hi Brian, >> >> [including the document authors, and the mailing list. An issue with the >> "send-notices-to" has been corrected in the tracker] >> See in-line. >>> Brian Haberman has entered the following ballot position for >>> draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-08: Discuss >>> >>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >>> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >>> introductory paragraph, however.) >>> >>> >>> Please refer to http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >>> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >>> >>> >>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement/ >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> DISCUSS: >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> I need someone to provide some clarity on this document. It calls itself >>> an applicability statement, but is categorized as Informational. An IETF >>> applicability statement is supposed to be a standards track document. >> I was able to track the source of confusion. >> From the charter milestones: >> Jun 2013 Submit Internet draft on Energy Management Applicability >> for publication as Informational RFC >> >> So the authors followed this guideline. >> You are right about standards track, >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026#section-3, and to be candid, I forgot >> about that RFC 2026. Shame on me, I know :-), since I was the EMAN AD at >> some point in time. > So, if you want to call it an Applicability Statement, the Last Call > will need to be run again at the higher standards level. Understood. This is Joel's decision, as the responsible AD. Regards, B. > >>> However, this document reads more like a combination of use cases and >>> requirements. If it is really meant to be an AS, then we need to >>> re-start the process and issue a new last call as a standards track >>> document. If it is meant to be more requirements and use cases, the text >>> should be updated to stricken the mention of applicability statement >>> throughout. >> This is the last document in the WG, and its goal is AS, not requirements. >> Requirements was RFC 6988. > See above. > > Regards, > Brian > From nobody Wed Dec 17 04:57:20 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: expand-draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@virtual.ietf.org Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 8F12A1A8A3D; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:57:16 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: xfilter-draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xfilter-draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B931A8A3F; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:57:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4HRdGvjJyg5K; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:57:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A4061A8A1B; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:57:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2548; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1418821034; x=1420030634; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LAiddUrnKD9oGItyKaDndF4cuOyo3rx+tzvMRDf4ats=; b=YuX25hfmlOLO6ch+ijNhLGc7fHjkBwU5OxK7kGi9oD8mn7oZpsSf2rK9 /R6QCCaT42JrCGhVbbKZmhGWygnb/8dVGSEiE9I4pspANzpfGwYN9q2dU yIO74P2XnNYuyNeNdXiMlJgWmVM8+2KYb5owKVaIq1/oPcDyJRSIa84AE g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArMEADR9kVStJssW/2dsb2JhbABag1hYvEOJNYVwAoE3AQEBAQF9hA0BAQQ4NgoBEAsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRQYBDAEHAQEFiCMN1CABAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEXjxARAVAHhCkBBIUljCGFMoELMIIxghCLRCKCMIE9PTEBgQuBNwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,593,1413244800"; d="scan'208";a="278249533" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-2.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2014 12:57:12 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.84] (ams-bclaise-8913.cisco.com [10.60.67.84]) by aer-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sBHCvCIr005151; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:57:12 GMT Message-ID: <54917DA8.1000408@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:57:12 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Haberman , The IESG References: <20141215135427.19775.86669.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <549152F9.7070307@cisco.com> <54917AC4.6040401@innovationslab.net> In-Reply-To: <54917AC4.6040401@innovationslab.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/Zj3KH2hT6w3ZrNPZV8PFyujNumM Cc: draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietf.org, eman mailing list Subject: Re: [eman] Brian Haberman's Discuss on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-08: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:57:16 -0000 On 17/12/2014 13:44, Brian Haberman wrote: > Hi Benoit, > > On 12/17/14 4:55 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: >> Hi Brian, >> >> [including the document authors, and the mailing list. An issue with the >> "send-notices-to" has been corrected in the tracker] >> See in-line. >>> Brian Haberman has entered the following ballot position for >>> draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-08: Discuss >>> >>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >>> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >>> introductory paragraph, however.) >>> >>> >>> Please refer to http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >>> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >>> >>> >>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement/ >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> DISCUSS: >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> I need someone to provide some clarity on this document. It calls itself >>> an applicability statement, but is categorized as Informational. An IETF >>> applicability statement is supposed to be a standards track document. >> I was able to track the source of confusion. >> From the charter milestones: >> Jun 2013 Submit Internet draft on Energy Management Applicability >> for publication as Informational RFC >> >> So the authors followed this guideline. >> You are right about standards track, >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026#section-3, and to be candid, I forgot >> about that RFC 2026. Shame on me, I know :-), since I was the EMAN AD at >> some point in time. > So, if you want to call it an Applicability Statement, the Last Call > will need to be run again at the higher standards level. Understood. This is Joel's decision, as the responsible AD. Regards, B. > >>> However, this document reads more like a combination of use cases and >>> requirements. If it is really meant to be an AS, then we need to >>> re-start the process and issue a new last call as a standards track >>> document. If it is meant to be more requirements and use cases, the text >>> should be updated to stricken the mention of applicability statement >>> throughout. >> This is the last document in the WG, and its goal is AS, not requirements. >> Requirements was RFC 6988. > See above. > > Regards, > Brian > From nobody Wed Dec 17 06:32:38 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11EEA1A8A6D; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 06:32:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cFechOJ3GumO; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 06:32:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E951A8A90; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 06:32:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Stephen Farrell" To: The IESG X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141217143219.26474.21634.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 06:32:19 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/M8frDipXlZQVq8RYRt9aOdsxHaU Cc: eman@ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@tools.ietf.org Subject: [eman] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-08: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:32:34 -0000 Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-08: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - general: I am not at all sure that this does match the other EMAN documents that have been through IESG evaluation (which is the stated reason for this being last). See my comments below, but this seems to me to not have been updated to reflect where the actual EMAN drafts/RFCs ended up. Is that a fair comment? If so, it really should at least be noted in this draft (or fixed!). If not, then I'm confused and my memory must be worse than I thought. - I support Pete's discuss - general: I don't care much if the title confuses this with an AS or not:-) - general: Given the write-up would it be worth re-casting this into the past tense? (Or a part of the abstract and intro at least and then explaining the use of the present tense elsewhere.) - 1.3, 2nd last para: what is a proxy here? - 1.5: EnMS vs NMS - aren't both likely to be pronounced the same by some folks? Is this term used in other EMAN docs? If not, maybe get rid of it as it'd not then be needed perhaps? - 2.11 - I don't recall printers being mentioned in other EMAN docs, but that's probably my fallible memory. - 2.12 - I thought these devices were out of scope for EMAN? If so don't you need to say? If not, then can you explain how I'm confused given that there were a bunch of times Pete and I asked about energy harvesting setups and were told those were not in scope? - 4.1.2.1 - ACPI is mentioned twice but is never expanded never mind explained. Given that this is the power state thing with which most readers of this RFC will be familiar, I think that is quite an omission, and one that ought be fixed. - 4.1.4 refers to a 2011 draft - surely that's been updated or OBE by now? If "draft" here means something sufficiently different from Internet-draft, then that'd be worth explaining. - section 4 generally seems quite US centric, which is a pity. I'm not suggesting you try fix that now, but nonetheless... a pity. - section 5 seems quite outdated if I correctly recall the discussions we had at iesg evaluation of other EMAN documents. Why wasn't this kept in sync with those discussions? - section 6 is bogus - you said EMAN could also use YANG so SNMP is not sufficient here. I would like to have seen a real analysis of the security and privacy issues related to energy management but that seems to still be missing. And again if I recall correctly that was a topic that you de-scoped for other EMAN documents. Yet again that is not recoreded here. - the secdir review [1] also notes the paucity of the security considerations text (and was only responded to by the AD, not by the authors, even though it raises some specific issues). [1] https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/secdir/current/msg05257.html - The above two points are not DISCUSSes for a couple of reasons. 1) the charter (sadly) doesn't explicitly call for security or privacy to be considered and clearly this group were not interested in those topics, and 2) there seems to be no hope at all that such work would be done given where the WG are in their life-cycle. I would hope that any newly chartered work on energy management would better take into account these real issues. (And should I still be on the IESG, that'd be more than a "hope":-) From nobody Wed Dec 17 07:52:10 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2021A1A42; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 07:52:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FOjsaswix6ec; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 07:52:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B79EA1A1B89; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 07:52:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mbp.local ([IPv6:2601:9:7681:2d01:4897:9f29:74ea:535a]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sBHFptc4025511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:51:56 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <5491A69A.30502@bogus.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 07:51:54 -0800 From: joel jaeggli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benoit Claise , Brian Haberman , The IESG References: <20141215135427.19775.86669.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <549152F9.7070307@cisco.com> <54917AC4.6040401@innovationslab.net> <54917DA8.1000408@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <54917DA8.1000408@cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ocK2mRas3H5vbA3AN9o0R8DDM9Fi32KTI" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/ivxT0ye-K713TO_2k2r_wkXncX4 Cc: draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietf.org, eman mailing list Subject: Re: [eman] Brian Haberman's Discuss on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-08: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:52:09 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --ocK2mRas3H5vbA3AN9o0R8DDM9Fi32KTI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/17/14 4:57 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: > On 17/12/2014 13:44, Brian Haberman wrote: >> Hi Benoit, >> >> On 12/17/14 4:55 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: >>> >>> You are right about standards track, >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026#section-3, and to be candid, I >>> forgot >>> about that RFC 2026. Shame on me, I know :-), since I was the EMAN >>> AD at >>> some point in time. >> So, if you want to call it an Applicability Statement, the Last Call >> will need to be run again at the higher standards level. > Understood. This is Joel's decision, as the responsible AD. So, this would give us another chance to run at the text I suppose before reviewing it. I am fine with that. joel > > Regards, B. >> >>>> However, this document reads more like a combination of use cases an= d >>>> requirements. If it is really meant to be an AS, then we need to >>>> re-start the process and issue a new last call as a standards track >>>> document. If it is meant to be more requirements and use cases, >>>> the text >>>> should be updated to stricken the mention of applicability statement= >>>> throughout. >>> This is the last document in the WG, and its goal is AS, not >>> requirements. >>> Requirements was RFC 6988. >> See above. >> >> Regards, >> Brian >> > > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman > --ocK2mRas3H5vbA3AN9o0R8DDM9Fi32KTI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAlSRppsACgkQ8AA1q7Z/VrJZJgCdE602f3APEfd/9+btq6Dekcqu 3f8AoIHPSym1BN6X3TEY0kiGPF2BZ0A5 =ypaN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ocK2mRas3H5vbA3AN9o0R8DDM9Fi32KTI-- From nobody Wed Dec 17 07:52:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: expand-draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@virtual.ietf.org Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 33B961A88E9; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 07:52:09 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: xfilter-draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xfilter-draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2021A1A42; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 07:52:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FOjsaswix6ec; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 07:52:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B79EA1A1B89; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 07:52:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mbp.local ([IPv6:2601:9:7681:2d01:4897:9f29:74ea:535a]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sBHFptc4025511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:51:56 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <5491A69A.30502@bogus.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 07:51:54 -0800 From: joel jaeggli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benoit Claise , Brian Haberman , The IESG References: <20141215135427.19775.86669.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <549152F9.7070307@cisco.com> <54917AC4.6040401@innovationslab.net> <54917DA8.1000408@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <54917DA8.1000408@cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ocK2mRas3H5vbA3AN9o0R8DDM9Fi32KTI" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/ivxT0ye-K713TO_2k2r_wkXncX4 Cc: draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietf.org, eman mailing list Subject: Re: [eman] Brian Haberman's Discuss on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-08: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:52:09 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --ocK2mRas3H5vbA3AN9o0R8DDM9Fi32KTI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/17/14 4:57 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: > On 17/12/2014 13:44, Brian Haberman wrote: >> Hi Benoit, >> >> On 12/17/14 4:55 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: >>> >>> You are right about standards track, >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026#section-3, and to be candid, I >>> forgot >>> about that RFC 2026. Shame on me, I know :-), since I was the EMAN >>> AD at >>> some point in time. >> So, if you want to call it an Applicability Statement, the Last Call >> will need to be run again at the higher standards level. > Understood. This is Joel's decision, as the responsible AD. So, this would give us another chance to run at the text I suppose before reviewing it. I am fine with that. joel > > Regards, B. >> >>>> However, this document reads more like a combination of use cases an= d >>>> requirements. If it is really meant to be an AS, then we need to >>>> re-start the process and issue a new last call as a standards track >>>> document. If it is meant to be more requirements and use cases, >>>> the text >>>> should be updated to stricken the mention of applicability statement= >>>> throughout. >>> This is the last document in the WG, and its goal is AS, not >>> requirements. >>> Requirements was RFC 6988. >> See above. >> >> Regards, >> Brian >> > > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman > --ocK2mRas3H5vbA3AN9o0R8DDM9Fi32KTI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAlSRppsACgkQ8AA1q7Z/VrJZJgCdE602f3APEfd/9+btq6Dekcqu 3f8AoIHPSym1BN6X3TEY0kiGPF2BZ0A5 =ypaN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ocK2mRas3H5vbA3AN9o0R8DDM9Fi32KTI-- From nobody Wed Dec 17 12:16:42 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C3DD1A1B98; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:34:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_ALL=0.8] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j5jy9Qcpt8cv; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:34:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F631A1B16; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:34:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Alissa Cooper" To: The IESG X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141217183424.9054.63410.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:34:24 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/Z3c1QHAbSjGLzJr4PEIbZegNVsQ X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:16:39 -0800 Cc: eman@ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@tools.ietf.org Subject: [eman] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-08: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 18:34:25 -0000 Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-08: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I generally support the points raised by Brian, Pete, and Stephen. It sounds like this document is going to get re-evaluated as a standards track Applicability Statement. I would suggest that the authors and WG consider the existing text in light of what is involved in an Applicability Statement (RFC 2026 Section 3.2) before that re-evaluation happens. In particular, an Applicability Statement is supposed to describe how, and under what circumstances, one or more technical specifications can be applied to support a particular Internet capability. There are several use cases in this document that provide no explanation of how the EMAN technical specifications can be applied to support the use cases, in particular the ones listed in 2.10, 2.11, and 2.12. Editorial comment on Section 4.1.3: "In particular, one of the concepts being considered different energy meters based on if the device consumes electricity, produces electricity, or is a passive device." This sentence does not parse. From nobody Wed Dec 17 13:00:19 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: expand-draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@virtual.ietf.org Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id BCC821A87A3; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:59:03 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: xfilter-draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xfilter-draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 911B21A0121 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:59:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2G8CyZyayx1Q for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:59:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C8AB1A8737 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:59:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mbp.local ([IPv6:2601:9:7681:2d01:4897:9f29:74ea:535a]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sBHKx0ji027595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 17 Dec 2014 20:59:01 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <5491EE94.5040603@bogus.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:59:00 -0800 From: joel jaeggli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7BR3pjJ95apxk6bxX7afTBngUHRCc72Rg" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/qQh4AkoHpoMxtngecd2I1So3EEo X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:00:18 -0800 Subject: [eman] pulled draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement from 12-18 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 20:59:03 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --7BR3pjJ95apxk6bxX7afTBngUHRCc72Rg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've pulled this from the telechat. I have no problem re-last-calling this thing as standards track but before we do that I think an attempt at addressing the discussion that's not about it's status is in order. joel --7BR3pjJ95apxk6bxX7afTBngUHRCc72Rg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAlSR7pQACgkQ8AA1q7Z/VrJpvwCeN++V8GbOOSBDqc4GEZqEGmRz vHMAniGpBHcomz17KTAmMyBHv14aw149 =UYom -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7BR3pjJ95apxk6bxX7afTBngUHRCc72Rg-- From nobody Wed Dec 17 13:00:39 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7772F1A9063 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:56:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WMkTECUTK2gz; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059DC1A9060; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:56:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: eman@ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@tools.ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141217205607.10773.19431.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:56:07 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/_3tj5781HubHY5Zekf28B6FOrRU X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:00:38 -0800 Subject: [eman] ID Tracker State Update Notice: X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 20:56:09 -0000 IESG state changed to AD Evaluation from IESG Evaluation ID Tracker URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement/ From nobody Wed Dec 17 13:00:40 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE251A8737; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:56:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AQ7pTQV7q0dn; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:56:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B1C51A9086; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:56:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: eman@ietf.org, iesg-secretary@ietf.org, iesg@ietf.org, draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@tools.ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141217205613.10697.18944.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:56:13 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/mC7jUGBhR-9FrriX3d94UAZE4Wo X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:00:38 -0800 Subject: [eman] Telechat update notice: X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 20:56:21 -0000 Telechat date has been changed to 2015-01-22 from 2014-12-18 ID Tracker URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement/ From nobody Wed Dec 17 13:49:08 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: expand-draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@virtual.ietf.org Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A8DFA1A87A3; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:48:13 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: xfilter-draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xfilter-draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84DAD1A877C for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:48:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.895 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.895 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r26cLuwUI__S for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:48:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from lucidvision.com (unknown [50.255.148.178]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A85C1A7021 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:48:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.120] (unknown [50.255.148.177]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD442A243B6; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:48:11 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.1 \(1993\)) From: "Thomas D. Nadeau" In-Reply-To: <5491EE94.5040603@bogus.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:48:11 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <5491EE94.5040603@bogus.com> To: joel jaeggli X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1993) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/SqxyU19kY54NMudYpebMNNaAYpg X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:49:04 -0800 Cc: draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietf.org, "eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eman] pulled draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement from 12-18 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 21:48:13 -0000 agreed. > On Dec 17, 2014:3:59 PM, at 3:59 PM, joel jaeggli wrote: > > I've pulled this from the telechat. > > I have no problem re-last-calling this thing as standards track but > before we do that I think an attempt at addressing the discussion that's > not about it's status is in order. > > joel > From nobody Wed Dec 17 14:45:50 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9A91A876D; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:45:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t7uByRzAzdPL; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:45:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B741A0121; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:45:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Adrian Farrel" To: The IESG X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141217224545.6271.74690.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:45:45 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/j57h2zHxYWjr3TkQQY7txzPwDy8 Cc: eman@ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@tools.ietf.org Subject: [eman] Adrian Farrel's No Objection on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-08: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:45:47 -0000 Adrian Farrel has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-08: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nothing to add to the existing comments, but I would like us to discuss Brian's Discuss on the telechat. From nobody Wed Dec 17 16:06:17 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: expand-draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@virtual.ietf.org Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id C1EA31A007A; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:50:17 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: xfilter-draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xfilter-draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 931191A006F for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:50:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iZYyKNj_jas1 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:50:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtv-iport-1.cisco.com (mtv-iport-1.cisco.com [173.36.130.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 551081A006C for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:50:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=4200; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1418860216; x=1420069816; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=gNannvFN5eNVxES+9+DCVa6HheFJDh5/yK/pN5AIa4k=; b=Vnmo8FMrDot6KdcjU8La7D/+Bz1b57zmPYwq9W8hYWzBWjk/BS/ASO0I C3QSBUDGS7m6Kpo4nuq0iUSNCYfOR+7K6YCJG58w2sYqL75Lk07OXXjUr NoXjGEaAny6PXhFd94Q20RlN3aJ/RoiFH6n/UjHt+twi2SFHutb3bXptn Y=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApcFAMcVklStJV2Z/2dsb2JhbABagkNDgSoEw1uIFwKBGxYBAQEBAX2EDAEBAQR5EAIBCAQNAwECKAcyFAkIAgQBDQWILNUVAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBF49hEQeEKQWMMoFWhTyDNJFAIoNsb4FFfgEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,597,1413244800"; d="scan'208,217";a="110851502" Received: from rcdn-core-2.cisco.com ([173.37.93.153]) by mtv-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2014 23:50:15 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x04.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x04.cisco.com [173.37.183.78]) by rcdn-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sBHNo5wJ005745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 Dec 2014 23:50:14 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x08.cisco.com ([169.254.8.75]) by xhc-rcd-x04.cisco.com ([fe80::200:5efe:173.37.183.34%12]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:50:05 -0600 From: "Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan)" To: "Thomas D. Nadeau" , joel jaeggli Thread-Topic: pulled draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement from 12-18 Thread-Index: AQHQGjxLRap7lvQo3kK3kyBbr0JK/5yUtmqA//+b8IA= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 23:50:04 +0000 Message-ID: References: <5491EE94.5040603@bogus.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.7.141117 x-originating-ip: [10.154.204.87] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D0B7568A3910Bmoulchanciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/NJSnYHZsUDs2CR3nVHmTRZrqRXQ X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:06:15 -0800 Cc: "draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietf.org" , "eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eman] pulled draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement from 12-18 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 23:50:17 -0000 --_000_D0B7568A3910Bmoulchanciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, We can submit an updated draft based on the discussion emails. Thanks Mouli From: "Thomas D. Nadeau" > Date: Wednesday, 17 December 2014 1:48 PM To: joel jaeggli > Cc: "eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org" >, "draft-ietf-eman-= applicability-statement.all@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: pulled draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement from 12-18 agreed. On Dec 17, 2014:3:59 PM, at 3:59 PM, joel jaeggli > wrote: I've pulled this from the telechat. I have no problem re-last-calling this thing as standards track but before we do that I think an attempt at addressing the discussion that's not about it's status is in order. joel --_000_D0B7568A3910Bmoulchanciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <98F562F578428541B0C31FCD625BFDAA@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

We can submit an updated draft based on the discussion emails. 

Thanks
Mouli

From: "Thomas D. Nadeau" = <tnadeau@lucidvision.com&= gt;
Date: Wednesday, 17 December 2014 1= :48 PM
To: joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com>
Cc: "eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org" <eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, "= dra= ft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: pulled draft-ietf-eman= -applicability-statement from 12-18

agreed.

On Dec 17, 2014:3:59 PM, at 3:59 PM, joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> wrote:
I've pulled this from the telechat.
I have no problem re-last-calling this thing as standards track but
before we do that I think an attempt at addressing the discussion that= 's
not about it's status is in order.
joel


 --_000_D0B7568A3910Bmoulchanciscocom_-- From nobody Thu Dec 18 05:15:04 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: expand-draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@virtual.ietf.org Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 8DDA31A1BF1; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:55:04 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: xfilter-draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xfilter-draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB5B1A1B25 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:55:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MtjSJmnPtzvb for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:55:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B68191A0058 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:55:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mbp.local ([IPv6:2601:9:7681:2d01:5c6f:e966:1e7a:e445]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sBI6svSg030483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 18 Dec 2014 06:54:58 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <54927A41.8090607@bogus.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:54:57 -0800 From: joel jaeggli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan)" , "Thomas D. Nadeau" References: <5491EE94.5040603@bogus.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qeEtch4MEDCJTKrCTqw40Bc74BhX8GRjd" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/sqqjn0yrT1FqfoREjb-nhkLOqPA X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 05:15:01 -0800 Cc: "draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietf.org" , "eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eman] pulled draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement from 12-18 X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 06:55:04 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --qeEtch4MEDCJTKrCTqw40Bc74BhX8GRjd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks joel On 12/17/14 3:50 PM, Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan) wrote: > Hi, > > We can submit an updated draft based on the discussion emails.=20 > > Thanks > Mouli > > From: "Thomas D. Nadeau" > > Date: Wednesday, 17 December 2014 1:48 PM > To: joel jaeggli > > Cc: "eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org " > >, > "draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@ietf.org > " > > > Subject: Re: pulled draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement from 12-18 > > agreed. > > On Dec 17, 2014:3:59 PM, at 3:59 PM, joel jaeggli > > wrote: > I've pulled this from the telechat. > I have no problem re-last-calling this thing as standards > track but > before we do that I think an attempt at addressing the > discussion that's > not about it's status is in order. > joel > > > --qeEtch4MEDCJTKrCTqw40Bc74BhX8GRjd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAlSSekEACgkQ8AA1q7Z/VrJaVACfZGM1x0cbqYlDfdDxskAMuHi5 9S4AoIBXDzX3NFEsbTsexIhtaAwJ5kf3 =uW1L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qeEtch4MEDCJTKrCTqw40Bc74BhX8GRjd-- From nobody Thu Dec 18 12:12:10 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018A71A1B6B for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:13:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id idom9Ret5IU6; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:13:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D0041A1BC0; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:13:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: eman@ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib.all@tools.ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141218181336.801.44908.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:13:36 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/5s2IEXBUYjMfllbQavBRdh__Pnw X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:11:57 -0800 Subject: [eman] ID Tracker State Update Notice: X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:13:40 -0000 IESG state changed to Approved-announcement to be sent from IESG Evaluation::AD Followup ID Tracker URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib/ From nobody Thu Dec 18 12:12:12 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F236C1A1BC5 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:14:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CM_AcHaESEwz; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:14:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A6B1A1B27; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:14:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: eman@ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib.all@tools.ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141218181432.30347.94965.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:14:32 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/mu2qHaDdBHv0HTl0oVqIrT-_-MY X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:11:59 -0800 Subject: [eman] ID Tracker State Update Notice: X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:14:34 -0000 IESG state changed to Approved-announcement to be sent from IESG Evaluation::AD Followup ID Tracker URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib/ From nobody Mon Dec 22 09:44:19 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EBA51ABD3D; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:44:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S_tSI_duOjIt; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:44:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBE61AC39F; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:44:09 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.9.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141222174409.6100.57769.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:44:09 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/G8xaA5ME-7kfBLOAJxVaBqkL_9A Cc: eman mailing list , eman chair , RFC Editor Subject: [eman] Protocol Action: 'Power, Energy Monitoring and Control MIB' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-13.txt) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:44:18 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Power, Energy Monitoring and Control MIB' (draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib-13.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Energy Management Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Joel Jaeggli and Benoit Claise. A URL of this Internet Draft is: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib/ Technical Summary The Energy Monitoring MIB has two independent MIB modules, energyObjectMIB and powerAttributesMIB. The first, energyObjectMIB, is focused on measurement of power and energy. The second, powerAttributesMIB, is focused on power quality measurements for Energy Objects. This document defines a subset of the Management Information Base (MIB) for power and energy monitoring of devices. Devices and their sub-components can be modeled using the containment tree of the ENTITY-MIB [RFC6933]. Working Group Summary There are no noteworthy events associated with the MIBs Document Quality Version -08 had its WG Last Call from 13 to 30 December 2013; as part of that it was reviewed by the MIB-Doctors. Six reviews were received from the EMAN list, as well as a detailed list of changes and improvements from the MIB Doctors. The authors have modified the draft in response to that feedback; we believe that the current (-09) version has resolved all the issues. That discussion raged on the EMAN list through January 2014. Personnel Document Shepherd: Nevil Brownlee Responsible Area Director: Joel Jaegli From nobody Mon Dec 22 11:51:16 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7E61A1AB0 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:44:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bB-M_bRb6cib; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:44:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A62D1AC399; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:44:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: eman@ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib.all@tools.ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.9.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141222174409.6100.69257.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:44:09 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/Tueqs6vyrUQ3pwtNJwYwoAA5dd4 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: [eman] ID Tracker State Update Notice: X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:44:16 -0000 IESG has approved the document and state has been changed to Approved-announcement sent ID Tracker URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib/ From nobody Mon Dec 22 11:57:53 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 185F21A6FE7 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 11:57:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.311 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9WTydjIdjvXq for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 11:57:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx2.auckland.ac.nz (mx2.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.125.245]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 692CB1A6FD7 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 11:57:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=auckland.ac.nz; i=@auckland.ac.nz; q=dns/txt; s=uoa; t=1419278267; x=1450814267; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=k8elhwZk6pYVq20tB6pZCpDlQbH+sPEFFfx5ni8pI8k=; b=cHG865Bz/aMg/zcowxm9vLigr5o7ag22CHK14JDrG9empWSPMKTKdcfu KmQ9FJSa5JzGGedwMtua6vtqx9C0aQ9dwQcVd3CELH+UB36HPuehGpekJ Pa4u4VvTB50HIZFyv1+8rpjqKz2d7BvPH9yVUgIU1xZLdkSXbwUpUs9hJ k=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.04,630,1406548800"; d="scan'208";a="297984114" X-Ironport-HAT: UNIVERSITY - $RELAY-THROTTLE X-Ironport-Source: 130.216.38.7 - Outgoing - Outgoing-SSL Received: from sc-cs-316051.uoa.auckland.ac.nz (HELO [130.216.38.7]) ([130.216.38.7]) by mx2-int.auckland.ac.nz with ESMTP; 23 Dec 2014 08:57:46 +1300 Message-ID: <549877B9.9070903@auckland.ac.nz> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:57:45 +1300 From: Nevil Brownlee User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eman@ietf.org, draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib.all@tools.ietf.org References: <20141222174409.6100.69257.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20141222174409.6100.69257.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/txRTQfKwqBMJL1OHfaqGxp9_MZU Subject: Re: [eman] ID Tracker State Update Notice: X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 19:57:50 -0000 Great news, congratulations and thanks to all those who worked on our monitoring MIB draft :-) Cheers, Nevil On 23/12/14 6:44 am, IETF Secretariat wrote: > IESG has approved the document and state has been changed to Approved-announcement sent > ID Tracker URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib/ -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevil Brownlee Computer Science Department Phone: +64 9 373 7599 x88941 The University of Auckland FAX: +64 9 373 7453 Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand From nobody Tue Dec 23 08:54:32 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917971A1A30; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:54:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A_UnJJW-bdPG; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:54:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288011ACFD0; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:54:23 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.10.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141223165423.9393.42999.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:54:23 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/TTOm4MRgLzmHHQ00-bA9mdys1SE Cc: eman mailing list , eman chair , RFC Editor Subject: [eman] Protocol Action: 'Energy Object Context MIB' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-17.txt) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 16:54:29 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Energy Object Context MIB' (draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib-17.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Energy Management Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Joel Jaeggli and Benoit Claise. A URL of this Internet Draft is: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib/ Technical Summary This document defines a subset of a Management Information Base (MIB) for energy management of devices. The module addresses device identification, context information, and the energy relationships between devices. The Energy Object Context MIB has two independent MIB modules, energyAwareMIB and ianaEnergyRelationMIB. The first, energyAwareMIB, specifies MIB objects for identification of Energy Objects. The second, ianaEnergyRelationMIB, specifies the first set of IANA-maintained definitions of relationships between Energy Objects. Working Group Summary Version -01 of the draft was published in December 2010. New versions were published about every three months from then until version -13 in mid December 2013. Document Quality Version -13 had its WG Last Call from 13 to 30 December 2013; as part of that it was reviewed by the MIB-Doctors. Several reviews were received from the EMAN list, as well as considerable discussion with the MIB Doctors over where the Energy MIBs should be positioned in the mib-2 tree. The authors have modified the draft in response to that feedback; we believe that the current (-15) version has resolved all the issues. That discussion took place on the EMAN list through January 2014. Personnel Document Shepherd: Nevil Brownlee Responsible Area Director: Joel Jaegli From nobody Wed Dec 24 07:31:46 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20CB21ACFD2 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:54:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V_MFneSD9QaU; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:54:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7641ACFCE; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:54:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: eman@ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib.all@tools.ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.10.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141223165421.9393.78809.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:54:21 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/AzMi27B_-WD9F-P9dWBm35Xt5nY X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 07:31:44 -0800 Subject: [eman] ID Tracker State Update Notice: X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 16:54:25 -0000 IESG has approved the document and state has been changed to Approved-announcement sent ID Tracker URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib/ From nobody Wed Dec 24 07:31:48 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E706C1ACFEC for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:00:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1Do-bwORCm4Y; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:00:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861BE1ACFDF; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:00:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: eman@ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib.all@tools.ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.10.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141223170029.9001.4341.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:00:29 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/Qb8nUGznn_8pXJ5CM1JCqLd2JEI X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 07:31:44 -0800 Subject: [eman] ID Tracker State Update Notice: X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 17:00:33 -0000 IESG state changed to RFC Ed Queue from Approved-announcement sent ID Tracker URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib/ From nobody Wed Dec 24 07:31:49 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290F31ABD3D for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 19:19:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4iGoKTGiWFIy; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 19:19:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07671A9236; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 19:19:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: eman@ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib.all@tools.ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.10.0.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141224031903.10175.4036.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 19:19:03 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/G8qh7oJvvuvkeJyvT9ZxzKLaOZg X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 07:31:44 -0800 Subject: [eman] ID Tracker State Update Notice: X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 03:19:05 -0000 IESG state changed to RFC Ed Queue from Approved-announcement sent ID Tracker URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib/ From nobody Wed Dec 24 07:33:03 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B0EC1A8A7F for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 07:33:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.895 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.895 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sSYghlAM9ecB for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 07:33:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from lucidvision.com (unknown [50.255.148.178]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AAC31A8A7A for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 07:33:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.121] (unknown [50.255.148.177]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE36F2A68C5D; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 10:33:00 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.1 \(1993\)) From: "Thomas D. Nadeau" In-Reply-To: <20141224031903.10175.4036.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 10:33:00 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20141224031903.10175.4036.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: list eman mailing , eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib.all@tools.ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1993) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/v_CXiXRahi9avlyrpXOg-2ugM1E Subject: Re: [eman] ID Tracker State Update Notice: X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 15:33:02 -0000 =09 Great work folks who worked on the MIB. Thanks for the efforts = made to get this out the door this year! --Tom > On Dec 23, 2014:10:19 PM, at 10:19 PM, IETF Secretariat = wrote: >=20 > IESG state changed to RFC Ed Queue from Approved-announcement sent > ID Tracker URL: = http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib/ >=20 >=20 From nobody Wed Dec 24 14:28:29 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 244451A1A91 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 12:05:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bb2v0Y0gV5Ix; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 12:05:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF1351A1A74; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 12:05:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: eman@ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib.all@tools.ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.10.0.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141224200534.18977.75353.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 12:05:34 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/rL8Gd_z6cDRA0SbGapX9UVNyhrY X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 14:28:29 -0800 Subject: [eman] ID Tracker State Update Notice: X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 20:05:36 -0000 IANA action state changed to In Progress ID Tracker URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib/ From nobody Sat Dec 27 13:48:07 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A631AC3CF; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 13:47:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9zIfnAAuZBqC; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 13:47:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AA461AC3E3; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 13:47:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.10.0.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141227214730.17634.54946.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 13:47:30 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/82yhzbH8qAP_ZUXpbI5TJNygJzA Cc: eman@ietf.org Subject: [eman] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-09.txt X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 21:47:56 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Energy Management Working Group of the IETF. Title : Energy Management (EMAN) Applicability Statement Authors : Brad Schoening Mouli Chandramouli Bruce Nordman Filename : draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-09.txt Pages : 29 Date : 2014-12-27 Abstract: The objective of Energy Management (EMAN) is to provide an energy management framework for networked devices. This document presents the applicability of the EMAN information model in a variety of scenarios with cases and target devices. These use cases are useful for identifying requirements for the framework and MIBs. Further, we describe the relationship of the EMAN framework to relevant other energy monitoring standards and architectures. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-09 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sat Dec 27 13:48:21 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD841AC3D7 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 13:48:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FHXBS8qRbK92; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 13:47:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6754F1AC3E8; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 13:47:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: eman@ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@tools.ietf.org, joelja@bogus.com, presnick@qti.qualcomm.com, barryleiba@computer.org, brian@innovationslab.net X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.10.0.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141227214730.17634.33586.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 13:47:30 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/G1HFyfB4mV1HXrrmtteexQV9q3U Subject: [eman] New Version Notification - draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-09.txt X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 21:48:06 -0000 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 21:48:06 -0000 A new version (-09) has been submitted for draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-09.txt The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement/ Diff from previous version: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-09 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. IETF Secretariat. From nobody Mon Dec 29 07:41:38 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CDA1A874A; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 07:41:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AxYudfwAZVgc; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 07:41:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6AD1A8748; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 07:41:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Barry Leiba" To: The IESG X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.10.0.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141229154135.27130.43335.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 07:41:35 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/tAPZMDhcFZmKqrrsmQ-X4DoYD0Q Cc: eman@ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement.all@tools.ietf.org Subject: [eman] Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-09: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:41:37 -0000 Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-09: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -09 seems to have corrected most of the bad references and citations, as far as I can tell by a fairly quick check. One that remains: The reference for [EMAN-MONITORING-MIB] has an incorrect document filename; the correct name is "draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib". Thanks very much for handling that, and for addressing my other comments. From nobody Mon Dec 29 23:29:46 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB8EF1A9038 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:06:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xO-L2exa4J6k; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:06:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C061A8A92; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:06:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: eman@ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib.all@tools.ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.10.0.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141230070634.28906.8953.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:06:34 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/a2HzhH8GJ3_mhSnG8E8Y9EgWvL8 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:29:43 -0800 Subject: [eman] ID Tracker State Update Notice: X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 07:06:36 -0000 IANA action state changed to Waiting on Authors ID Tracker URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-monitoring-mib/ From nobody Mon Dec 29 23:30:00 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBB01A901D for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:06:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3T5T-HhMiOQo; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:06:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D20E81A903C; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:06:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: eman@ietf.org, eman-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib.all@tools.ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.10.0.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141230070635.28906.8366.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:06:35 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eman/x464MFkrEWaoz75NYYIruV82m7Q X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:29:59 -0800 Subject: [eman] ID Tracker State Update Notice: X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 07:06:41 -0000 IANA action state changed to Waiting on Authors ID Tracker URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-energy-aware-mib/