From nobody Sat May 2 21:27:01 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B631A0087 for ; Sat, 2 May 2015 21:27:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iYfM5-QcSG3w for ; Sat, 2 May 2015 21:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 865841A0086 for ; Sat, 2 May 2015 21:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mb-aye.local ([64.88.227.134]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t434Qijt021198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sun, 3 May 2015 04:26:52 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) To: Brad Schoening , eman@ietf.org references: <20150423113547.27316.23286.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <553DA67B.5030504@verizon.net> From: joel jaeggli message-id: <5545A37D.3010107@bogus.com> Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 21:26:37 -0700 user-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0 mime-version: 1.0 in-reply-to: <553DA67B.5030504@verizon.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gRnmqBq13d49WBtuBb5ODkJmwWU01oGrL" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [eman] Brian Haberman's Discuss on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 May 2015 04:27:00 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --gRnmqBq13d49WBtuBb5ODkJmwWU01oGrL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 4/26/15 8:01 PM, Brad Schoening wrote: > Mouli, >=20 > Your comments address the intent for adding these use cases, but they > don't respond to the critique of them, and therefore don't justify > them. Can you please respond to Pete & Alissa's questions. Otherwise,= > let's delete them as Bruce & I have suggested. yeah I'm ok with that. We will find I suspect in the future that the reporting wiill be used across many of the applications it's not specifically tailored to because it's sufficient for the expression to end users and other management systems. thanks for working on this final change. joel >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Brad >=20 > On 4/23/2015 9:45 PM, Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan) wrote: >> Hi Brian, >> >> Some of the specific use cases, you are referring had been provided as= >> feedback to WG (email or meetings) when the draft was draft was >> presented.=20 >> It was felt that it would be useful "unique, non-overlapping" set of >> use cases (scenarios) of interest to energy management.=20 >> It may be that after the other MIB drafts have evolved over the years,= >> it may be that we solve only a subset of use cases.=20 >> >> Thanks >> Mouli >> >> >> >> >> From: Brian Haberman > > >> Date: Thursday, 23 April 2015 4:35 AM >> To: The IESG > >> Cc: "eman-chairs@ietf.org " >> >, "eman@ietf.org >> " > >> Subject: [eman] Brian Haberman's Discuss on >> draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)= >> >> Brian Haberman has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: Discuss >> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to = all >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut= >> this >> introductory paragraph, however.) >> >> >> Please refer to >> http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >> >> >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here= : >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-stat= ement/ >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- >> DISCUSS: >> ------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- >> >> The draft still calls out some use cases that appear out of scope,= >> especially after the discussion around the EMAN MIB document. This= >> DISCUSS is a placeholder to address one of the author's suggestion= to >> delete: 1) the use cases in section 2.7 last paragraph (net-zero >> building), 2) 2.12 (off-grid devices), and 3) 2.14 (power capping)= =2E >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- >> COMMENT: >> ------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- >> >> Thank you for addressing the issue of the document's status. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> eman mailing list >> eman@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> eman mailing list >> eman@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman >=20 >=20 > --=20 > *Brad Schoening* > Email: >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman >=20 --gRnmqBq13d49WBtuBb5ODkJmwWU01oGrL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.22 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAlVFo30ACgkQ8AA1q7Z/VrKmWACfSU/o2woLCh7ZVK8V0qbZCv9C f4IAn1FzR/JOmX7YGiU8f9PvWpFfKBLq =U/Qo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gRnmqBq13d49WBtuBb5ODkJmwWU01oGrL-- From nobody Mon May 4 15:55:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18BD11A894C; Mon, 4 May 2015 15:55:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v8vdBWU5SWSJ; Mon, 4 May 2015 15:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777A01A8960; Mon, 4 May 2015 15:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.2.p2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150504225457.20903.352.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 15:54:57 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: eman mailing list , eman chair , RFC Editor Subject: [eman] Protocol Action: 'Definition of Managed Objects for Battery Monitoring' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-20.txt) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 22:55:05 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Definition of Managed Objects for Battery Monitoring' (draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib-20.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Energy Management Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Benoit Claise and Joel Jaeggli. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-battery-mib/ Technical Summary This document defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for managed objects that provide information on the status of batteries in managed devices. According to the framework for energy management it is an Energy Managed Object, so MIB modules such as the Power and Energy Monitoring MIB could in principle be implemented for batteries. The Battery MIB extends the more generic aspects of energy management by adding battery-specific information. Amongst other things, the Battery MIB enables the monitoring of: - the current charge of a battery, - the age of a battery (charging cycles), - the state of a battery (e.g. being re-charged), - last usage of a battery, - maximum energy provided by a battery (remaining and total capacity). Working Group Summary Version -01 of the draft was published in April 2011. New versions were published about every three months from then until version -11 in early January 2014. Document Quality Version -11 had its WG Last Call from 10 to 24 January 2014; as part of that it was reviewed by the MIB-Doctors. Several reviews were received from the EMAN list, as well as a list of changes and improvements from the MIB Doctors. The authors have modified the draft in response to that feedback; we believe that the current (-12) version has resolved all the issues. That discussion took place on the EMAN list through March 2014. Personnel Document Shepherd: Nevil Brownlee Responsible Area Director: Joel Jaegli From nobody Mon May 11 20:34:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB031A0065 for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 20:34:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_FILL_THIS_FORM_SHORT=0.01, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F8AyaA294MuZ for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 20:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE5DF1A0063 for ; Mon, 11 May 2015 20:34:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_99ian+iqfXzfV+9ELTmDwA)" Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([71.187.162.161]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NO7008BMWL26MD0@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for eman@ietf.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 22:34:15 -0500 (CDT) X-CMAE-Score: 0 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=AawGxMSu c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=7OEOyNKZuZM57qySakjcRQ==:117 a=naziTCeN6agA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=h1PgugrvaO0A:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=gZbpxnkM3yUA:10 a=wnRk2I__AAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=lyIImqxFjPhcPLHMGGkA:9 a=RlnwBTcekcMf97DX:21 a=ZqmyuOEECryjqqoz:21 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=mYAOWqAtFUkA:10 a=AUd_NHdVAAAA:8 a=DZwRA8OoM96Mk-iLaGQA:9 a=WLL1Tre_MRvQZEpM:21 a=Sa85J-5C7jj_eikw:21 a=eaQZg1OVPp2qiH88:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Message-id: <5551744E.5060309@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 23:32:30 -0400 From: Brad Schoening User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 To: eman@ietf.org, "Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan)" References: <20150423113547.27316.23286.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <553DA67B.5030504@verizon.net> In-reply-to: <553DA67B.5030504@verizon.net> Archived-At: Subject: [eman] 2nd try: Brian Haberman's Discuss on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 03:34:32 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_99ian+iqfXzfV+9ELTmDwA) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Mouli, Just wondering if you plan further updates to the applicability statement draft responding to the concerns raised, or if you would be ok deleting these specific use cases as not really being unique and non-overlapping. Regards, Brad On 4/26/2015 11:01 PM, Brad Schoening wrote: > Mouli, > > Your comments address the intent for adding these use cases, but they > don't respond to the critique of them, and therefore don't justify > them. Can you please respond to Pete & Alissa's questions. > Otherwise, let's delete them as Bruce & I have suggested. > > Regards, > > Brad > > On 4/23/2015 9:45 PM, Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan) wrote: >> Hi Brian, >> >> Some of the specific use cases, you are referring had been provided >> as feedback to WG (email or meetings) when the draft was draft was >> presented. >> It was felt that it would be useful "unique, non-overlapping" set of >> use cases (scenarios) of interest to energy management. >> It may be that after the other MIB drafts have evolved over the >> years, it may be that we solve only a subset of use cases. >> >> Thanks >> Mouli >> >> >> >> >> From: Brian Haberman > > >> Date: Thursday, 23 April 2015 4:35 AM >> To: The IESG > >> Cc: "eman-chairs@ietf.org " >> >, "eman@ietf.org >> " > >> Subject: [eman] Brian Haberman's Discuss on >> draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) >> >> Brian Haberman has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: Discuss >> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to >> cut this >> introductory paragraph, however.) >> >> >> Please refer to >> http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >> >> >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement/ >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> DISCUSS: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> The draft still calls out some use cases that appear out of scope, >> especially after the discussion around the EMAN MIB document. This >> DISCUSS is a placeholder to address one of the author's suggestion to >> delete: 1) the use cases in section 2.7 last paragraph (net-zero >> building), 2) 2.12 (off-grid devices), and 3) 2.14 (power capping). >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Thank you for addressing the issue of the document's status. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> eman mailing list >> eman@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> eman mailing list >> eman@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman > > > -- > *Brad Schoening* > Email: -- *Brad Schoening* Email: --Boundary_(ID_99ian+iqfXzfV+9ELTmDwA) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT
Hi Mouli,

Just wondering if you plan further updates to the applicability statement draft responding to the concerns raised, or if you would be ok deleting these specific use cases as not really being unique and non-overlapping.

Regards,

Brad

On 4/26/2015 11:01 PM, Brad Schoening wrote:
Mouli,

Your comments address the intent for adding these use cases, but they don't respond to the critique of them, and therefore don't justify them.  Can you please respond to Pete & Alissa's questions.  Otherwise, let's delete them as Bruce & I have suggested.

Regards,

Brad

On 4/23/2015 9:45 PM, Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan) wrote:
Hi  Brian,

Some of the specific use cases, you are referring had been provided as feedback to WG (email or meetings)  when the draft was draft was presented. 
It was felt that it would be useful  "unique, non-overlapping" set of use cases (scenarios) of interest to energy management. 
It may be that after the other MIB drafts have evolved over the years, it may be that we solve only a subset of use cases. 

Thanks
Mouli




From: Brian Haberman <brian@innovationslab.net>
Date: Thursday, 23 April 2015 4:35 AM
To: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
Cc: "eman-chairs@ietf.org" <eman-chairs@ietf.org>, "eman@ietf.org" <eman@ietf.org>
Subject: [eman] Brian Haberman's Discuss on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Brian Haberman has entered the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: Discuss

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
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for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.


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DISCUSS:
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The draft still calls out some use cases that appear out of scope,
especially after the discussion around the EMAN MIB document. This
DISCUSS is a placeholder to address one of the author's suggestion to
delete: 1) the use cases in section 2.7 last paragraph (net-zero
building), 2) 2.12 (off-grid devices), and 3) 2.14 (power capping).


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Thank you for addressing the issue of the document's status.


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--Boundary_(ID_99ian+iqfXzfV+9ELTmDwA)-- From nobody Tue May 12 03:07:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA111A8770 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 03:06:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_FILL_THIS_FORM_SHORT=0.01, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s8f3VYHkGe1Z for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 03:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-2.cisco.com (alln-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.142.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 656EC1A874D for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 03:06:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=12992; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1431425215; x=1432634815; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: mime-version; bh=Mnr1VlueOSyOm+t9Hv7oBhc1VbJDSxoFJLiiD+COP/g=; b=OAlthppv7A/6pbRrpOZL7t6r977pEvlssrBQAbcYNFQXCK34j0wIiU7J wN6Jrq5MQ8eJnUpwj2ElOaFFrqvcEGJ4Q0G+Ecys9KxoGNHQJfwFtqW0U KReM3b9zaYEHvdRb7+jew3fFl+qa/AfFxEOyYjCAY72n2mcYAyVddaCW0 M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0BiBACuz1FV/5FdJa1cgkVKVF4GxDBmCYFOAQuGAwKBNjgUAQEBAQEBAYEKhCABAQEEAQEBaxsCAQgRAwECJAQHJwsUCQgCBAESCYgOAxINyQgBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBGYs5gj8OF4E+EQECPhcBhC0FhmKLa4QlhkaBJD6DII4Tg1UjYYEoHBWBPW8BgQs5gQEBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,414,1427760000"; d="scan'208,217";a="149308699" Received: from rcdn-core-9.cisco.com ([173.37.93.145]) by alln-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 May 2015 10:06:54 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x10.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x10.cisco.com [173.37.183.84]) by rcdn-core-9.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t4CA6r4F022142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 May 2015 10:06:53 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x08.cisco.com ([169.254.8.164]) by xhc-rcd-x10.cisco.com ([173.37.183.84]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 12 May 2015 05:06:53 -0500 From: "Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan)" To: Brad Schoening , "eman@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: 2nd try: [eman] Brian Haberman's Discuss on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) Thread-Index: AQHQfbmq/GXtWlDjfEGVomBJRiui8Z1bQ6uAgAVBjICAF5u0AIAAymGA Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 10:06:52 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20150423113547.27316.23286.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <553DA67B.5030504@verizon.net> <5551744E.5060309@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <5551744E.5060309@verizon.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.7.141117 x-originating-ip: [10.142.111.250] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D177CD3941D26moulchanciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [eman] 2nd try: Brian Haberman's Discuss on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 10:06:58 -0000 --_000_D177CD3941D26moulchanciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Brad, I had replied earlier that the EMAN use cases were compiled based on sever= al WG meetings and comments or feedback on the email list. The feedback from Pete Resnick was that the the specific use cases in ques= tion, were not addressed in EMAN, and hence either mention "out of scope" = or delete them. As suggested by Pete, we can mention that those use cases are out of scope. Thanks Mouli From: Brad Schoening > Date: Tuesday, 12 May 2015 9:02 AM To: "eman@ietf.org" >, Mouli Chandramouli > Subject: 2nd try: [eman] Brian Haberman's Discuss on draft-ietf-eman-applic= ability-statement-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) Hi Mouli, Just wondering if you plan further updates to the applicability statement d= raft responding to the concerns raised, or if you would be ok deleting thes= e specific use cases as not really being unique and non-overlapping. Regards, Brad On 4/26/2015 11:01 PM, Brad Schoening wrote: Mouli, Your comments address the intent for adding these use cases, but they don't= respond to the critique of them, and therefore don't justify them. Can yo= u please respond to Pete & Alissa's questions. Otherwise, let's delete the= m as Bruce & I have suggested. Regards, Brad On 4/23/2015 9:45 PM, Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan) wrote: Hi Brian, Some of the specific use cases, you are referring had been provided as feed= back to WG (email or meetings) when the draft was draft was presented. It was felt that it would be useful "unique, non-overlapping" set of use c= ases (scenarios) of interest to energy management. It may be that after the other MIB drafts have evolved over the years, it m= ay be that we solve only a subset of use cases. Thanks Mouli From: Brian Haberman > Date: Thursday, 23 April 2015 4:35 AM To: The IESG > Cc: "eman-chairs@ietf.org" >, "eman@ietf.org" > Subject: [eman] Brian Haberman's Discuss on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-s= tatement-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) Brian Haberman has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The draft still calls out some use cases that appear out of scope, especially after the discussion around the EMAN MIB document. This DISCUSS is a placeholder to address one of the author's suggestion to delete: 1) the use cases in section 2.7 last paragraph (net-zero building), 2) 2.12 (off-grid devices), and 3) 2.14 (power capping). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for addressing the issue of the document's status. _______________________________________________ eman mailing list eman@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman _______________________________________________ eman mailing list eman@ietf.orghttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/em= an -- Brad Schoening Email: -- Brad Schoening Email: --_000_D177CD3941D26moulchanciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <8186B67ED3094E478F7A11B8CE8D1C50@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi  Brad,

I had replied earlier  that the EMAN use cases were compiled base= d on several WG meetings and comments or feedback on the email list. <= /div>

The feedback from Pete Resnick  was that the the specific use cas= es in question,  were not addressed in EMAN, and hence either mention = "out of scope" or delete them. 

As suggested by Pete, we can mention that those use cases are out of s= cope. 

Thanks
Mouli



From: Brad Schoening <brad.schoening@verizon.net>
Date: Tuesday, 12 May 2015 9:02 AM<= br> To: "eman@ietf.org" <eman@i= etf.org>, Mouli Chandramouli <moulchan@cisco.com>
Subject: 2nd try: [eman] Brian Habe= rman's Discuss on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: (with DISCUSS= and COMMENT)

Hi Mouli,

Just wondering if you plan further updates to the applicability statement d= raft responding to the concerns raised, or if you would be ok deleting thes= e specific use cases as not really being unique and non-overlapping.

Regards,

Brad

On 4/26/2015 11:01 PM, Brad Schoening wrote:
Mouli,

Your comments address the intent for adding these use cases, but they don't= respond to the critique of them, and therefore don't justify them.  C= an you please respond to Pete & Alissa's questions.  Otherwise, le= t's delete them as Bruce & I have suggested.

Regards,

Brad

On 4/23/2015 9:45 PM, Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan) wrote:
Hi  Brian,

Some of the specific use cases, you are referring had been provided as= feedback to WG (email or meetings)  when the draft was draft was pres= ented. 
It was felt that it would be useful  "unique, non-overlappin= g" set of use cases (scenarios) of interest to energy management. = ;
It may be that after the other MIB drafts have evolved over the years,= it may be that we solve only a subset of use cases. 

Thanks
Mouli




From: Brian Haberman <brian@innovation= slab.net>
Date: Thursday, 23 April 2015 4:35 = AM
To: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
Cc: "eman-chairs@ietf.org" <= eman-chair= s@ietf.org>, "eman@ietf.org" <eman@ietf.or= g>
Subject: [eman] Brian Haberman's Di= scuss on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: (with DISCUSS and COMM= ENT)

Brian Haberman has entered the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: Discuss

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all<= /div>
email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut thi= s
introductory paragraph, however.)


for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.


The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:



----------------------------------------------------------------------=
DISCUSS:
----------------------------------------------------------------------=

The draft still calls out some use cases that appear out of scope,
especially after the discussion around the EMAN MIB document. This
DISCUSS is a placeholder to address one of the author's suggestion to<= /div>
delete: 1) the use cases in section 2.7 last paragraph (net-zero
building), 2) 2.12 (off-grid devices), and 3) 2.14 (power capping).


----------------------------------------------------------------------=
COMMENT:
----------------------------------------------------------------------=

Thank you for addressing the issue of the document's status.


_______________________________________________
eman mailing list



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--_000_D177CD3941D26moulchanciscocom_-- From nobody Tue May 12 05:01:17 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701F71A89FB for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 05:01:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZQyijQYtmpk8 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 05:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lucidvision.com (unknown [50.255.148.178]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94E11A90D1 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 05:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.108] (unknown [50.255.148.181]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B272C347EEE7; Tue, 12 May 2015 08:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_9019DF28-D0BA-4DA1-A978-272A2B0D5047" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) From: "Thomas D. Nadeau" In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 08:01:09 -0400 Message-Id: <8AB342FE-CABA-4886-8368-AE987633DDB6@lucidvision.com> References: <20150423113547.27316.23286.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <553DA67B.5030504@verizon.net> <5551744E.5060309@verizon.net> To: "Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) Archived-At: Cc: "eman@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eman] 2nd try: Brian Haberman's Discuss on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:01:16 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_9019DF28-D0BA-4DA1-A978-272A2B0D5047 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On May 12, 2015:6:06 AM, at 6:06 AM, Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan) = wrote: >=20 > Hi Brad, >=20 > I had replied earlier that the EMAN use cases were compiled based on = several WG meetings and comments or feedback on the email list.=20 >=20 > The feedback from Pete Resnick was that the the specific use cases in = question, were not addressed in EMAN, and hence either mention "out of = scope" or delete them.=20 >=20 > As suggested by Pete, we can mention that those use cases are out of = scope.=20 >=20 > Thanks > Mouli Yes, this was a specific suggestion and I think that the = agreement was to indeed strike them from the draft to keep things = consistent.=20 =E2=80=94Tom >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: Brad Schoening > > Date: Tuesday, 12 May 2015 9:02 AM > To: "eman@ietf.org " >, Mouli Chandramouli > > Subject: 2nd try: [eman] Brian Haberman's Discuss on = draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) >=20 >> Hi Mouli, >>=20 >> Just wondering if you plan further updates to the applicability = statement draft responding to the concerns raised, or if you would be ok = deleting these specific use cases as not really being unique and = non-overlapping. >>=20 >> Regards, >>=20 >> Brad >>=20 >> On 4/26/2015 11:01 PM, Brad Schoening wrote: >>> Mouli, >>>=20 >>> Your comments address the intent for adding these use cases, but = they don't respond to the critique of them, and therefore don't justify = them. Can you please respond to Pete & Alissa's questions. Otherwise, = let's delete them as Bruce & I have suggested. >>>=20 >>> Regards, >>>=20 >>> Brad >>>=20 >>> On 4/23/2015 9:45 PM, Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan) wrote: >>>> Hi Brian, >>>>=20 >>>> Some of the specific use cases, you are referring had been provided = as feedback to WG (email or meetings) when the draft was draft was = presented.=20 >>>> It was felt that it would be useful "unique, non-overlapping" set = of use cases (scenarios) of interest to energy management.=20 >>>> It may be that after the other MIB drafts have evolved over the = years, it may be that we solve only a subset of use cases.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks >>>> Mouli >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> From: Brian Haberman > >>>> Date: Thursday, 23 April 2015 4:35 AM >>>> To: The IESG > >>>> Cc: "eman-chairs@ietf.org " = >, "eman@ietf.org = " > >>>> Subject: [eman] Brian Haberman's Discuss on = draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) >>>>=20 >>>>> Brian Haberman has entered the following ballot position for >>>>> draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: Discuss >>>>>=20 >>>>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to = all >>>>> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut = this >>>>> introductory paragraph, however.) >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Please refer to = http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html = >>>>> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found = here: >>>>> = http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement/ = = >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> DISCUSS: >>>>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>=20 >>>>> The draft still calls out some use cases that appear out of scope, >>>>> especially after the discussion around the EMAN MIB document. This >>>>> DISCUSS is a placeholder to address one of the author's suggestion = to >>>>> delete: 1) the use cases in section 2.7 last paragraph (net-zero >>>>> building), 2) 2.12 (off-grid devices), and 3) 2.14 (power = capping). >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> COMMENT: >>>>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>=20 >>>>> Thank you for addressing the issue of the document's status. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> eman mailing list >>>>> eman@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman = >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> eman mailing list >>>> eman@ietf.org = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman = >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Brad Schoening=20 >>> Email: >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Brad Schoening=20 >> Email: > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman --Apple-Mail=_9019DF28-D0BA-4DA1-A978-272A2B0D5047 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On May 12, 2015:6:06 AM, at 6:06 AM, Mouli Chandramouli = (moulchan) <moulchan@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi  Brad,

I had replied earlier  that the EMAN use cases were = compiled based on several WG meetings and comments or feedback on the = email list. 

The feedback from Pete Resnick  was that the the = specific use cases in question,  were not addressed in EMAN, and = hence either mention "out of scope" or delete them. 

As suggested by Pete, we can mention that those use = cases are out of scope. 

Thanks
Mouli

Yes, this was a specific = suggestion and I think that the agreement was to indeed strike them from = the draft to keep things consistent. 

=E2=80=94Tom





From: Brad Schoening = <brad.schoening@verizon.net>
Date: Tuesday, 12 May = 2015 9:02 AM
To: "eman@ietf.org" <eman@ietf.org>, Mouli = Chandramouli <moulchan@cisco.com>
Subject: 2nd try: = [eman] Brian Haberman's Discuss on = draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: (with DISCUSS and = COMMENT)

Hi Mouli,

Just wondering if you plan further updates to the applicability = statement draft responding to the concerns raised, or if you would be ok = deleting these specific use cases as not really being unique and = non-overlapping.

Regards,

Brad

On 4/26/2015 11:01 PM, Brad Schoening wrote:
Mouli,

Your comments address the intent for adding these use cases, but they = don't respond to the critique of them, and therefore don't justify = them.  Can you please respond to Pete & Alissa's = questions.  Otherwise, let's delete them as Bruce & I have = suggested.

Regards,

Brad

On 4/23/2015 9:45 PM, Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan) wrote:
Hi  Brian,

Some of the specific use cases, you are referring had = been provided as feedback to WG (email or meetings)  when the draft = was draft was presented. 
It was felt that it would be useful  "unique, = non-overlapping" set of use cases (scenarios) of interest to energy = management. 
It may be that after the other MIB drafts have evolved = over the years, it may be that we solve only a subset of use = cases. 

Thanks
Mouli




From: Brian Haberman = <brian@innovationslab.net>
Date: Thursday, 23 = April 2015 4:35 AM
To: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
Cc: "eman-chairs@ietf.org" <eman-chairs@ietf.org>, "eman@ietf.org" <eman@ietf.org>
Subject: [eman] Brian = Haberman's Discuss on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: (with = DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Brian Haberman has entered the following ballot position = for
draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: = Discuss

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and = reply to all
email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel = free to cut this
introductory paragraph, however.)


Please refer to http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT = positions.


The document, along with other ballot positions, can be = found here:
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-s= tatement/



---------------------------------------------------------------= -------
DISCUSS:
---------------------------------------------------------------= -------

The draft still calls out some use cases that appear out = of scope,
especially after the discussion around the EMAN MIB = document. This
DISCUSS is a placeholder to address one of the author's = suggestion to
delete: 1) the use cases in section 2.7 last paragraph = (net-zero
building), 2) 2.12 (off-grid devices), and 3) 2.14 = (power capping).


---------------------------------------------------------------= -------
COMMENT:
---------------------------------------------------------------= -------

Thank you for addressing the issue of the document's = status.


_______________________________________________
eman mailing list
eman@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman



_______________________________________________
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ailman/listinfo/eman


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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed May 13 09:19:59 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25551A8F4A for ; Wed, 13 May 2015 09:19:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.587 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.587 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id alm_-ZKAu_eH for ; Wed, 13 May 2015 09:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe1.lbl.gov (fe1.lbl.gov [128.3.41.133]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A47D1A8AE6 for ; Wed, 13 May 2015 09:19:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Ironport-SBRS: 4.8 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao0DABB5U1XRVdS2lGdsb2JhbABZA4JFgR5eBoMYszmGFIdyggEBC4YDAoEyB0wBAQEBAQESAQEBAQcLCwkfMIQgAQEBAwEBAQEPEUsLBQsLCwYDAQIBIwcCAiIFDQEFARQIBhMJGYd1AwoIBQipcz4xiziSNwEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARcKizCCPw4XgT4RAQI+AQwEBxGCHDsSgTMFhmKFRIN6hl2GSYElPoMljheCDRIjgRWBBIEoHBWBXR4xAYELgToBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,421,1427785200"; d="scan'208";a="86470270" Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com ([209.85.212.182]) by fe1.lbl.gov with ESMTP; 13 May 2015 09:19:35 -0700 Received: by wicnf17 with SMTP id nf17so62543024wic.1 for ; Wed, 13 May 2015 09:19:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=3xaszoezQCvj+AzQSRzadFl/tBqO6EMR5LOKY9EZzW8=; b=g7St1NrJjVuCX8kj2DJ8hDr5ZtVArxRlWiQd0TLux3nWB70nun78gUdvoXh3STTU2n JRLnRYEOqk2vIj8rTUlAwQGx7xnPq9GcO/4K79gpJ1JST8Ee0ytnkzbrJkQQ8QX3rQxs +voNRMr8uzcGlcsn0Za3f8U9jhd8XqEaspF46xKchwJFkr8lO4bYRikg/YeYo9/rG0Nm xMcuD94HkVnq2PL5k72AjKWmZmiWIUzztJo/2kMQR90qCs2GecL+OfP1wg5YHlc+Xa/X JpGETVVF3BtcmbvKCmoiBBzVnxYG6fi6FlrQXmutbgMDYSw2AoO4neQ3rHal9NzgfjOW 7M9w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlg3eK39EYKIOPbGtZiJK0RPWEiqV4fbNoLO4Hs1YfoqR/KJs171R5DQfj2lh9mjWYREN/5UwK7AEbyWei7fBpZ6EmwmcXbQOrCdTGrFB/kUVYVA5Y7CtUpcSNF5r5NYH9v/+iq X-Received: by 10.194.78.105 with SMTP id a9mr42473003wjx.152.1431533974642; Wed, 13 May 2015 09:19:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.78.105 with SMTP id a9mr42472980wjx.152.1431533974515; Wed, 13 May 2015 09:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.10.12 with HTTP; Wed, 13 May 2015 09:19:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20150423113547.27316.23286.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <553DA67B.5030504@verizon.net> <5551744E.5060309@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 09:19:34 -0700 Message-ID: From: Bruce Nordman To: "Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bfcefa60904db0515f8fa1a Archived-At: Cc: "eman@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eman] 2nd try: Brian Haberman's Discuss on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 16:19:57 -0000 --047d7bfcefa60904db0515f8fa1a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I do agree with deleting them. I don't agree they are out of scope, but if not in the doc, then doesn't matter. Thanks, --Bruce On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 3:06 AM, Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan) < moulchan@cisco.com> wrote: > Hi Brad, > > I had replied earlier that the EMAN use cases were compiled based on > several WG meetings and comments or feedback on the email list. > > The feedback from Pete Resnick was that the the specific use cases in > question, were not addressed in EMAN, and hence either mention "out of > scope" or delete them. > > As suggested by Pete, we can mention that those use cases are out of > scope. > > Thanks > Mouli > > > > From: Brad Schoening > Date: Tuesday, 12 May 2015 9:02 AM > To: "eman@ietf.org" , Mouli Chandramouli < > moulchan@cisco.com> > Subject: 2nd try: [eman] Brian Haberman's Discuss on > draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) > > Hi Mouli, > > Just wondering if you plan further updates to the applicability statement > draft responding to the concerns raised, or if you would be ok deleting > these specific use cases as not really being unique and non-overlapping. > > Regards, > > Brad > > On 4/26/2015 11:01 PM, Brad Schoening wrote: > > Mouli, > > Your comments address the intent for adding these use cases, but they > don't respond to the critique of them, and therefore don't justify them. > Can you please respond to Pete & Alissa's questions. Otherwise, let's > delete them as Bruce & I have suggested. > > Regards, > > Brad > > On 4/23/2015 9:45 PM, Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan) wrote: > > Hi Brian, > > Some of the specific use cases, you are referring had been provided as > feedback to WG (email or meetings) when the draft was draft was presented. > It was felt that it would be useful "unique, non-overlapping" set of use > cases (scenarios) of interest to energy management. > It may be that after the other MIB drafts have evolved over the years, it > may be that we solve only a subset of use cases. > > Thanks > Mouli > > > > > From: Brian Haberman > Date: Thursday, 23 April 2015 4:35 AM > To: The IESG > Cc: "eman-chairs@ietf.org" , "eman@ietf.org" < > eman@ietf.org> > Subject: [eman] Brian Haberman's Discuss on > draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) > > Brian Haberman has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: Discuss > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The draft still calls out some use cases that appear out of scope, > especially after the discussion around the EMAN MIB document. This > DISCUSS is a placeholder to address one of the author's suggestion to > delete: 1) the use cases in section 2.7 last paragraph (net-zero > building), 2) 2.12 (off-grid devices), and 3) 2.14 (power capping). > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Thank you for addressing the issue of the document's status. > > > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman > > > > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing listeman@ietf.orghttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman > > > > -- > *Brad Schoening* > Email: > > > > -- > *Brad Schoening* > Email: > > > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman > > -- *Bruce Nordman* Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory *nordman.lbl.gov * BNordman@LBL.gov 510-486-7089 m: 510-501-7943 --047d7bfcefa60904db0515f8fa1a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I do agree with deleting them.
I don= 9;t agree they are out of scope, but if not in the doc, then doesn't ma= tter.
Thanks,
--Bruce

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 3:06 AM, Mouli= Chandramouli (moulchan) <moulchan@cisco.com> wrote:
Hi =C2=A0Brad,

I had replied earlier =C2=A0that the EMAN use cases were compiled base= d on several WG meetings and comments or feedback on the email list.=C2=A0<= /div>

The feedback from Pete Resnick =C2=A0was that the the specific use cas= es in question, =C2=A0were not addressed in EMAN, and hence either mention = "out of scope" or delete them.=C2=A0

As suggested by Pete, we can mention that those use cases are out of s= cope.=C2=A0

Thanks
Mouli



From: Brad Schoening <brad.schoening@verizo= n.net>
Date: Tuesday, 12 May 2015 9:02 AM<= br> To: "eman@ietf.org" <eman@ietf.org>, Mouli Chandramouli <= ;moulchan@cisco.com= >
Subject: 2nd try: [eman] Brian Habe= rman's Discuss on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: (with DIS= CUSS and COMMENT)

Hi Mouli,

Just wondering if you plan further updates to the applicability statement d= raft responding to the concerns raised, or if you would be ok deleting thes= e specific use cases as not really being unique and non-overlapping.

Regards,

Brad

On 4/26/2015 11:01 PM, Brad Schoening wrote:
Mouli,

Your comments address the intent for adding these use cases, but they don&#= 39;t respond to the critique of them, and therefore don't justify them.= =C2=A0 Can you please respond to Pete & Alissa's questions.=C2=A0 O= therwise, let's delete them as Bruce & I have suggested.

Regards,

Brad

On 4/23/2015 9:45 PM, Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan) wrote:
Hi =C2=A0Brian,

Some of the specific use cases, you are referring had been provided as= feedback to WG (email or meetings) =C2=A0when the draft was draft was pres= ented.=C2=A0
It was felt that it would be useful =C2=A0"unique, non-overlappin= g" set of use cases (scenarios) of interest to energy management.=C2= =A0
It may be that after the other MIB drafts have evolved over the years,= it may be that we solve only a subset of use cases.=C2=A0

Thanks
Mouli




From: Brian Haberman <brian@innovationslab.ne= t>
Date: Thursday, 23 April 2015 4:35 = AM
To: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
Cc: "eman-chairs@ietf.org" <eman-chairs@ietf.org= >, "eman@ietf.or= g" <eman@ietf.org&g= t;
Subject: [eman] Brian Haberman'= s Discuss on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: (with DISCUSS and = COMMENT)

Brian Haberman has entered the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-10: Discuss

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all<= /div>
email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut thi= s
introductory paragraph, however.)


for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.


The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:



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DISCUSS:
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The draft still calls out some use cases that appear out of scope,
especially after the discussion around the EMAN MIB document. This
DISCUSS is a placeholder to address one of the author's suggestion= to
delete: 1) the use cases in section 2.7 last paragraph (net-zero
building), 2) 2.12 (off-grid devices), and 3) 2.14 (power capping).


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COMMENT:
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Thank you for addressing the issue of the document's status.


_______________________________________________
eman mailing list


_______________________________________________
eman mailing list
eman@ietf.orghttps://w=
ww.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman


--
Brad Schoening
Email:


--
Brad Schoening
Email:

_______________________________________________
eman mailing list
eman@ietf.org
ht= tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman




--
Bruce Nordman
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
nordman.lbl.gov
BNordman@LBL.gov
510-486-7089=
m: 510-501-7943
--047d7bfcefa60904db0515f8fa1a-- From nobody Thu May 14 04:09:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 895E11A19F7; Thu, 14 May 2015 04:09:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JKNbHMVHqQAG; Thu, 14 May 2015 04:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDB91A1A13; Thu, 14 May 2015 04:09:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Brian Haberman" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150514110923.10618.67532.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 04:09:23 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: eman-chairs@ietf.org, eman@ietf.org Subject: [eman] Brian Haberman's No Objection on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-11: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:09:24 -0000 Brian Haberman has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-11: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for the updates to remove the out-of-scope use cases. From nobody Thu May 14 07:06:55 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7111B2A5F; Thu, 14 May 2015 07:02:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iAWo7V3KPWZT; Thu, 14 May 2015 07:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2150D1AC415; Thu, 14 May 2015 07:02:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Ben Campbell" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150514140235.17316.97659.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 07:02:35 -0700 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 14 May 2015 07:06:53 -0700 Cc: eman-chairs@ietf.org, eman@ietf.org Subject: [eman] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-11: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 14:02:54 -0000 Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-11: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for addressing my DISCUSS. I've cleared. From nobody Thu May 14 07:08:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE651B2A71; Thu, 14 May 2015 07:08:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.895 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.895 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nQjqjItWGWvd; Thu, 14 May 2015 07:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lucidvision.com (unknown [50.255.148.178]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F141B2A84; Thu, 14 May 2015 07:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.108] (unknown [50.255.148.181]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C74734A5A6B; Thu, 14 May 2015 10:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) From: "Thomas D. Nadeau" In-Reply-To: <20150514140235.17316.97659.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 10:07:53 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5AE5751C-6ECC-4867-8E89-D01800CB0F42@lucidvision.com> References: <20150514140235.17316.97659.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: joel jaeggli X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) Archived-At: Cc: eman-chairs@ietf.org, "eman@ietf.org >> eman mailing list" , The IESG Subject: Re: [eman] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-11: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 14:08:22 -0000 Cool. Thank you. Joel, it looks like the document is cleared to = progress now. =E2=80=94Tom > On May 14, 2015:10:02 AM, at 10:02 AM, Ben Campbell = wrote: >=20 > Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-11: No Objection >=20 > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut = this > introductory paragraph, however.) >=20 >=20 > Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >=20 >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Thank you for addressing my DISCUSS. I've cleared. >=20 >=20 >=20 From nobody Mon May 18 16:23:31 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E931F1B2B04; Mon, 18 May 2015 16:23:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LKOGOK69uvVj; Mon, 18 May 2015 16:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8022C1B2B14; Mon, 18 May 2015 16:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.0.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150518232323.7378.28624.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 16:23:23 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: eman mailing list , eman chair , RFC Editor Subject: [eman] Protocol Action: 'Energy Management (EMAN) Applicability Statement' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-11.txt) X-BeenThere: eman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions about the Energy Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 23:23:29 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Energy Management (EMAN) Applicability Statement' (draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement-11.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Energy Management Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Benoit Claise and Joel Jaeggli. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eman-applicability-statement/ Technical Summary The objective of Energy Management (EMAN) is to provide an energy management framework for networked devices. This document presents the applicability of the EMAN information model in a variety of scenarios with cases and target devices. These use cases are useful for identifying requirements for the framework and MIBs. Further, we describe the relationship of the EMAN framework to relevant other energy monitoring standards and architectures. Working Group Summary Version -00 of the draft was published in December 2011, shortly after the WG was chartered. The authors (and WG chairs) felt that since there were many aspects of EMAN that neededed a lot of discussion, it would be sensible to publish its Applicability Statement after all the other EMAN drafts. Document Quality This draft has been revised at intervals as details of EMAN were finalised. It's WG Last Call for version 06 ran from 26 June 2014 to 2 July 2014. Since then it's authors have made further revisions, in response to its ongoing discussion. Personnel Document Shepherd: Nevil Brownlee Responsible Area Director: Joel Jaegli