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[72.13.63.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jy4sm3417969qcb.0.2015.03.02.10.35.08 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 02 Mar 2015 10:35:08 -0800 (PST) X-Relaying-Domain: verisign.com Received: from brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexcas02 [10.173.152.206]) by brn1lxmailout02.verisign.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t22IZ7Eu013359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Mar 2015 13:35:08 -0500 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Mon, 2 Mar 2015 13:35:07 -0500 From: "Gould, James" To: "eppext@ietf.org" , EPP Provreg Thread-Topic: Added IANA EPP Extension Registry Information to draft-gould-allocation-token, draft-gould-change-poll, and draft-gould-idn-table Thread-Index: AQHQVRebCy3SMxs5xU+hWQqrX4Lwdw== Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 18:34:53 +0000 Message-ID: <871556E3-E176-4DA4-8027-EC9382DBB5D2@verisign.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_871556E3E1764DA48027EC9382DBB5D2verisigncom_"; type="multipart/alternative" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [eppext] Added IANA EPP Extension Registry Information to draft-gould-allocation-token, draft-gould-change-poll, and draft-gould-idn-table X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2015 18:35:22 -0000 --_004_871556E3E1764DA48027EC9382DBB5D2verisigncom_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_871556E3E1764DA48027EC9382DBB5D2verisigncom_" --_000_871556E3E1764DA48027EC9382DBB5D2verisigncom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The IANA Considerations Section was updated to include the EPP Extension Re= gistry information according to RFC 7451. The information for the updated = drafts is included below: Name: draft-gould-allocation-token Revision: 01 Title: Allocation Token Extension for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol = (EPP) Document date: 2015-03-02 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 16 URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gould-allocation-= token-01.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gould-allocation-tok= en/ Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gould-allocation-token-01 Diff: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-gould-allocation-t= oken-01 Name: draft-gould-change-poll Revision: 02 Title: Change Poll Extension for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) Document date: 2015-03-02 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 20 URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gould-change-poll= -02.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gould-change-poll/ Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gould-change-poll-02 Diff: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-gould-change-poll-= 02 Name: draft-gould-idn-table Revision: 01 Title: Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) Internationalized Domain Name= (IDN) Table Mapping Document date: 2015-03-02 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 28 URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gould-idn-table-0= 1.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gould-idn-table/ Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gould-idn-table-01 Diff: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-gould-idn-table-01 Please provide any feedback to these drafts on the eppext mailing list or p= rivately. Thanks, =97 JG [cid:77031CC3-BE7A-4188-A95F-D23115A30A4D@vcorp.ad.vrsn.com] James Gould Distinguished Engineer jgould@Verisign.com 703-948-3271 12061 Bluemont Way Reston, VA 20190 VerisignInc.com =93This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of= the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain informa= tion that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and exempt f= rom disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as attorney work = product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified tha= t any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is= strictly prohibited. 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Name: draft-g= ould-allocation-token
Revision: 01
Title: Allocation = Token Extension for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP)
Document date: <= /span>2015-03-02
Group: Individual = Submission
Pages: 16
URL:            http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gould-allocation-token-01.tx= t
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Name: draft-g= ould-change-poll
Revision: 02
Title: Change Poll= Extension for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP)
Document date: <= /span>2015-03-02
Group: Individual = Submission
Pages: 20
URL:            = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gould-change-poll-02.txt
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf= .org/doc/draft-gould-change-poll/
Htmlized:       http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gould= -change-poll-02
Diff:           http://w= ww.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-gould-change-poll-02


Name: draft-g= ould-idn-table
Revision: 01
Title: Extensible = Provisioning Protocol (EPP) Internationalized Domain Name (IDN) Table Mappi= ng
Document date: <= /span>2015-03-02
Group: Individual = Submission
Pages: 28
URL:            ht= tp://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gould-idn-table-01.txt
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.o= rg/doc/draft-gould-idn-table/
Htmlized:       http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gould-i= dn-table-01
Diff:           http://www= .ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-gould-idn-table-01


Please provide any feedback to these drafts on the eppext mailing list= or privately.  

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Hello colleagues,

 

Version 01 of draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd was posted to= the Internet-Draft repository. The draft is ready for Working Group Last Ca= ll (EPPEXT WG). 


<= span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">The draft can be found here:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd= -01


Your feed= back is appreciated, please use the eppext mailing list.


Regards,

Gustavo

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<96D1CC17-60A1-445A-8B2F-B56918E4D881@verisign.com> In-Reply-To: <96D1CC17-60A1-445A-8B2F-B56918E4D881@verisign.com> Accept-Language: en-AU, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.0.32.234] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_14D87A78F5A2458C969B593FE732A822icannorg_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 16:14:57 -0800 Cc: "gtld-tech@icann.org" , "eppext@ietf.org" , EPP Provreg Subject: Re: [eppext] [provreg] Publishing of the IDN Table EPP Mapping IETF Draft X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 21:26:48 -0000 --_000_14D87A78F5A2458C969B593FE732A822icannorg_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi James, Hi all, The first draft of the IDN Table EPP Mapping has been submitted to the IETF= . I co-authored this draft with Francisco Obispo and Luis Mu=F1oz from Uni= registry to provide a mechanism for getting IDN Table information for the r= egistration of IDNs, using the EPP domain name mapping, and optionally with= the IDN mapping extension ( draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap ). We would like thi= s draft to be included in a re-charting of the EPPEXT Working Group. The d= raft information is provided below. URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gould-idn-table-0= 0.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gould-idn-table/ Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gould-idn-table-00 Please review the draft and provide any feedback. I=92ve reviewed this draft, and the -01 update, and have some belated feedb= ack on this document. Along with colleagues in the community, I have been working on draft-davies= -idntables (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-davies-idntables) and its goa= l is to document a universal format for =93IDN tables=94, intended to super= sede and be a full superset of the panoply for formats that are out there t= oday. This format has a specific schema, is intended to be fully machine re= adable, and allow implementation using a generic LGR-capable engine. Based = on draft-gould-idn-table I believe it should be fully capable of representi= ng the IDN table data described in the document. I would recommend recasting this proposed mapping to utilise draft-davies-i= dntables as the mechanism for describing code point eligibility, and making= the verb in the EPP extension a mechanism for transmitting fully-fo= rmed label generation rulesets (the term for IDN tables in draft-davies-idn= tables). It would provide for maximum reuse of the grammar, plus provide th= e additional benefit that should a registry have a more complex policy than= simple codepoint eligibility that it can be accurately conveyed. Given the term =93IDN tables=94 is being gradually replaced with =93label g= eneration rulesets=94 (LGRs) in ICANN=92s work, as a more generic term that= is not specific to IDNs, it is worth considering using this terminology el= sewhere in this document. If there are particular considerations that mean draft-davies-idntables wou= ldn=92t be a suitable format, that would be useful feedback to help us iter= ate the draft-davies-idntables document with additional requirements. cheers, kim --_000_14D87A78F5A2458C969B593FE732A822icannorg_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <02D80366182F414A927E0FF4D287D338@pexch112.icann.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi James, Hi all,

The first draft of the IDN Table EPP Mapping has been submi= tted to the IETF.  I co-authored this draft with Francisco Obispo and = Luis Mu=F1oz from Uniregistry to provide a mechanism for getting IDN Table = information for the registration of IDNs, using the EPP domain name mapping, and optionally with the IDN mapping ext= ension ( draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap ).  We would like this draft to= be included in a re-charting of the EPPEXT Working Group.  The draft = information is provided below.

URL:          =   http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gould-id= n-table-00.txt
Status:         https://datatra= cker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gould-idn-table/
Htmlized:       http://tools.ietf.org/html/dr= aft-gould-idn-table-00

Please review the draft and provide any feedback.

I=92ve reviewed this draft, and the -01 update, and have some belated = feedback on this document.

Along with colleagues in the community, I have been working on draft-d= avies-idntables (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-davies-idntables) and= its goal is to document a universal format for =93IDN tables=94, intended to supersede and be a full superset = of the panoply for formats that are out there today. This format has a spec= ific schema, is intended to be fully machine readable, and allow implementa= tion using a generic LGR-capable engine. Based on draft-gould-idn-table I believe it should be fully capable of rep= resenting the IDN table data described in the document.

I would recommend recasting this proposed mapping to utilise draft-dav= ies-idntables as the mechanism for describing code point eligibility, and m= aking the <info> verb in the EPP extension a mechanism for transmitti= ng fully-formed label generation rulesets (the term for IDN tables in draft-davies-idntables). It would provide for = maximum reuse of the grammar, plus provide the additional benefit that shou= ld a registry have a more complex policy than simple codepoint eligibility = that it can be accurately conveyed.

Given the term =93IDN tables=94 is being gradually replaced with =93la= bel generation rulesets=94 (LGRs) in ICANN=92s work, as a more generic term= that is not specific to IDNs, it is worth considering using this terminolo= gy elsewhere in this document.

If there are particular considerations that mean draft-davies-idntable= s wouldn=92t be a suitable format, that would be useful feedback to help us= iterate the draft-davies-idntables document with additional requirements.<= /div>

cheers,

kim








--_000_14D87A78F5A2458C969B593FE732A822icannorg_-- From nobody Thu Mar 5 16:07:46 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75231A884B for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 16:07:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.238 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.238 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, HELO_EQ_BR=0.955, HOST_EQ_BR=1.295, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mGxOWfKXqm5d for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 16:07:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.nic.br (mail.nic.br [IPv6:2001:12ff:0:4::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F04C71A897A for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 16:07:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.nic.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ED7D2080167; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 21:07:36 -0300 (BRT) Received: from mail.nic.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.nic.br [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OdKGLY2KS00n; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 21:07:36 -0300 (BRT) Received: from rubens.in.registro.br (3.195.net.registro.br [200.160.3.195]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.nic.br (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7AB282080153; Thu, 5 Mar 2015 21:07:36 -0300 (BRT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_451D67BD-AF6E-4592-92FD-8F3EB4DF4D7C" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) From: Rubens Kuhl In-Reply-To: <77F1013C-BF41-4982-9845-C1F87F69B5F5@verisign.com> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 21:07:36 -0300 Message-Id: <4D5E61F9-D8ED-48A1-BF40-6CE42B09601B@nic.br> References: <211D0420-18A3-43D7-9A3D-553B34C6DF43@verisign.com> <77F1013C-BF41-4982-9845-C1F87F69B5F5@verisign.com> To: "Gould, James" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) Archived-At: Cc: gtld-tech@icann.org, "eppext@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eppext] [provreg] Publishing of the Change Poll EPP Extension IETF Draft X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2015 00:07:43 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_451D67BD-AF6E-4592-92FD-8F3EB4DF4D7C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 James et al, Has the use case of DNS publishing been considered for the changepoll = extension ? Some registries defer publication of a domain to the = registry zone until DNS servers respond correctly (authoritative, DNSKEY = matches DS etc.), and a poll message could signal that to the sponsoring = client. I couldn't find an appropriate operation in changepoll-02... = what are your and the group's thoughts on this ?=20 Rubens > Em 30/01/2015, =E0(s) 11:53:000, Gould, James = escreveu: >=20 > Ulrich, >=20 > Thank you for the review of the draft. My feedback is embedded below. = =20 >=20 > I received private feedback to add an optional caseId element to help = capture the UDRP, URS, or other case identifier for the change. The = optional caseId element was added with an enumerated =93type=94 = attribute, with the enumerated values of =93udrp=94, =93urs=94, and = =93custom=94, and with an optional =93name=94 attribute for the =93custom=94= type. Are there any additional case types that should be included in = the enumerated list? You can see the latest updates of the draft using = the GitHub project https://github.com/james-f-gould/EPP-Change-Poll.git = . =20 >=20 > =97 >=20 > JG >=20 >=20 > >=20 > James Gould > Distinguished Engineer > jgould@Verisign.com >=20 > 703-948-3271 > 12061 Bluemont Way > Reston, VA 20190 >=20 > VerisignInc.com > On Jan 30, 2015, at 4:08 AM, Ulrich Wisser > wrote: >=20 >> Hi James and Trung! >>=20 >> You two did a nice job on the extension. =20 >>=20 >> I would prefer the transform command instead of the info response. = That would eliminate the need for before/after indicator. >=20 > You mean you want to see the full input transform command in the poll = message? Most of the server-side operations don=92t go through EPP, so = it would be a challenge to attempt to present the input prior to = executing the operation using an EPP transform command. Another issue = with using a transform command is representing the server-side logic = that is not reflected in the input parameters like the setting of the = expiration date. The client can see the end result of the operation = without having to replicate the transform operation logic, along with = the meta-data about the operation using the info response. =20 >=20 > One question for the list is the value in making the before image of = the object available? The after image is required, but the thought is = that the before image may be desired. >=20 >>=20 >> I have some problems with the operators >>=20 >> - Why is autoRenew a special operation instead of operation renew = with op=3D"auto=94? >=20 > I agree that both are associated with renewing the domain; although I = view them as separate first class operations with different = characteristics (What drives the operation, how does the operation = function, and what is the applicable grace period for the operation). =20= >=20 >=20 >> - What is the difference between delete and delete op=3D"purge=94?=20 >=20 > Good question. Purge is associated with physically removing the = object from the database where the delete could start an RGP lifecycle = flow. An immediate delete (e.g. delete within the add grace period) is = reflected by a =93delete=94 with the op=3D=93purge=94; otherwise it = would be just =93delete=94. =20 >=20 >> - Why autoPurge / autoDelete? >=20 > Another good question. What if for some registries the domain is = deleted instead of auto renewed at expiry? That would match the use of = the =93autoDelete=94 operation. Now, the =93autoDelete=94 could include = the purging of the object which would be reflected by setting = op=3D=93purge=94. The autoPurge operation is the server batch that = physically purges the object (domain) at the end of the pendingDelete = period. In this case the domain has been deleted, put through the RGP = lifecycle flow, and is being purged from the database. We wanted to = handle both types of registries (auto renew and auto delete) as well as = be able to identify the event when the object is purged from the = database. I hope this makes sense. >=20 >>=20 >> Kind regards from Stockholm >>=20 >> Ulrich >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> 2015-01-20 14:49 GMT+01:00 Gould, James >: >> The first draft of the Change Poll EPP Extension ( = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gould-change-poll-00 = ) has been = submitted to the IETF. I co-authored this draft with Trung Tran from = Neustar to provide a mechanism within EPP to notify clients of any = server-side change, including but not limited to regular batch = processes, customer support actions, Uniform Domain-Name = Dispute-Resolution Policy (UDRP) or Uniform Rapid Suspension (URS) = actions, court directed actions, and bulk updates based on customer = requests. Since the client is not directly involved or knowledgable = of these operations, the extension is used along with an EPP object = mapping to provide the resulting state of the post-operation object, and = optionally a pre-operation object, with the operation meta-data of what, = when, who, and why. We would like this draft to be included in a = re-charting of the EPPEXT Working Group. =20 >>=20 >> Please review the draft and provide any feedback. >>=20 >> Thanks, >>=20 >> =97 >>=20 >> JG >>=20 >>=20 >> >>=20 >> James Gould >> Distinguished Engineer >> jgould@Verisign.com >>=20 >> 703-948-3271 >> 12061 Bluemont Way >> Reston, VA 20190 >>=20 >> VerisignInc.com >> =93This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the = use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may = contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, = confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be = constituted as attorney work product. 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Has the use case of DNS publishing been considered for the = changepoll extension ? Some registries defer publication of a domain to = the registry zone until DNS servers respond correctly (authoritative, = DNSKEY matches DS etc.), and a poll message could signal that to the = sponsoring client. I couldn't find an appropriate operation in = changepoll-02... what are your and the group's thoughts on this = ? 


Rubens



Em = 30/01/2015, =E0(s) 11:53:000, Gould, James <JGould@verisign.com>= escreveu:

Ulrich,

Thank you for the = review of the draft.  My feedback is embedded below. =  

I received private feedback to add an optional caseId = element to help capture the UDRP, URS, or other case identifier for the = change.  The optional caseId element was added with an enumerated = =93type=94 attribute, with the enumerated values of =93udrp=94, =93urs=94,= and =93custom=94, and with an optional =93name=94 attribute for the = =93custom=94 type.  Are there any additional case types that should = be included in the enumerated list?  You can see the latest updates = of the draft using the GitHub project https://github.com/james-f-gould/EPP-Change-Poll.git. =  

=97

JG


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James Gould
Distinguished Engineer
jgould@Verisign.com

703-948-3271
12061 Bluemont Way
Reston, VA 20190

VerisignInc.com
On Jan 30, 2015, at = 4:08 AM, Ulrich Wisser <ulrich@wisser.se> wrote:

Hi James and Trung!

You two did a nice job = on the extension.  

I  would prefer the transform command instead of the = info response. That would eliminate the need for before/after = indicator.

You mean you want to see the full input = transform command in the poll message?  Most of the server-side = operations don=92t go through EPP, so it would be a challenge to attempt = to present the input prior to executing the operation using an EPP = transform command.  Another issue with using a transform command is = representing the server-side logic that is not reflected in the input = parameters like the setting of the expiration date.  The client can = see the end result of the operation without having to replicate the = transform operation logic, along with the meta-data about the operation = using the info response.  

One question for the list is the value = in making the before image of the object available?  The after = image is required, but the thought is that the before image may be = desired.


I have some problems with the operators

- Why is autoRenew a = special operation instead of operation renew with = op=3D"auto=94?

I agree that both are associated with = renewing the domain; although I view them as separate first class = operations with different characteristics (What drives the operation, = how does the operation function, and what is the applicable grace period = for the operation).   


- What is the difference between = delete and delete op=3D"purge=94? 

Good question. =  Purge is associated with physically removing the object from the = database where the delete could start an RGP lifecycle flow.  An = immediate delete (e.g. delete within the add grace period) is reflected = by a =93delete=94 with the op=3D=93purge=94; otherwise it would be just = =93delete=94.  

- Why autoPurge / = autoDelete?

Another good question.  What if = for some registries the domain is deleted instead of auto renewed at = expiry?  That would match the use of the =93autoDelete=94 = operation.  Now, the =93autoDelete=94 could include the purging of = the object which would be reflected by setting op=3D=93purge=94. =  The autoPurge operation is the server batch that physically purges = the object (domain) at the end of the pendingDelete period.  In = this case the domain has been deleted, put through the = RGP lifecycle flow, and is being purged from the database. =  We wanted to handle both types of registries (auto renew and auto = delete) as well as be able to identify the event when the object is = purged from the database.  I hope this makes sense.


Kind = regards from Stockholm

Ulrich



2015-01-20 14:49 GMT+01:00 Gould, = James <JGould@verisign.com>:
The first draft of the Change = Poll EPP Extension ( http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gould-change-poll-00 ) has been submitted to the = IETF.  I co-authored this draft with Trung Tran from Neustar to = provide a mechanism within EPP to notify clients of any server-side = change, including but not limited to regular batch processes, customer = support actions, Uniform Domain-Name Dispute-Resolution Policy (UDRP) or = Uniform Rapid Suspension (URS) actions, court directed actions, and bulk = updates based on customer requests.    Since the client is not = directly involved or knowledgable of these operations, the extension is = used along with an EPP object mapping to provide the resulting state of = the post-operation object, and optionally a pre-operation object, with = the operation meta-data of what, when, who, and why.  We would like = this draft to be included in a re-charting of the EPPEXT Working Group. =  

Please = review the draft and provide any feedback.

Thanks,

=97

JG


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jgould@Verisign.com

703-948-3271
12061 = Bluemont Way
Reston, VA 20190

VerisignInc.com
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= --Apple-Mail=_451D67BD-AF6E-4592-92FD-8F3EB4DF4D7C-- From nobody Fri Mar 6 03:49:59 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171081ACD9B for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 03:49:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BEdJwPXEglBp for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 03:49:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlin.blacknight.ie (merlin.blacknight.ie [81.17.240.211]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07831ACD9A for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 03:49:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [81.17.243.239] (hegemon.blacknight.ie [81.17.243.239]) by merlin.blacknight.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09A359C001 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 11:49:51 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <54F99463.6090101@blacknight.com> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2015 11:49:55 +0000 From: Keith Gaughan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "eppext@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [eppext] Seemingly contradictory/ambiguous language in draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase-04 X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2015 11:49:57 -0000 In SS2.3, it states: For extensibility, the element includes an OPTIONAL "name" attribute that can define a sub-phase or the full name of the phase when the element has the "custom" value. Which seems to imply that the 'name' attribute is only meant to be used when has a value of 'custom'. The I-D seem to immediately contradict itself with the following: For example, the "claims" launch phase could have two sub-phases that include "landrush" and "open". The only way I can reconcile these is if the first sentence has a punctuation error in it and should read: For extensibility, the element includes an OPTIONAL "name" attribute that can define a sub-phase, or the full name of the phase when the element has the "custom" value. The addition of the comma after 'sub-phase' clarifies that 'sub-phase' refers to phase values other than 'custom' and that the 'name' attribute can be used with phases other than 'custom'. K. -- Keith Gaughan, Development Lead PGP/GPG key ID: 82AC3634 Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd. 12A Barrowside Business Park, Carlow, Ireland Registered in Ireland, Company No.: 370845 From nobody Fri Mar 6 03:55:53 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439CA1ACDAE for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 03:55:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4yWig807iN_V for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 03:55:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi0-f100.google.com (mail-oi0-f100.google.com [209.85.218.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B5871ACDAD for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 03:55:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by oifu20 with SMTP id u20so2390367oif.0 for ; Fri, 06 Mar 2015 03:55:46 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:thread-topic:thread-index :date:message-id:references:in-reply-to:accept-language :content-language:content-type:mime-version; bh=9ETbe8qCPgcaCcSnAwIBl9qAhnHdIJ12eb+KtWF7kJY=; b=FYUdrSHl4pqiR2gpVavGX64PEof8tnskLI8RlLYTBKsMGaP3XnY8bVpu4WeA3vle4F Zxxzpwucegit6CGmcVt/JqEkhDUAda1Tr3ku6XiHzpnIGgu3ElH7BoEG9VcMrKnPyV83 meJxo49W1hU5sBN1sOe5n0orWVLk8KBKA3GP+vf3KTaeqv1zsD+dNk7s6rsrCl3DEOS8 kWl6+0mRGGPYslq3rmY7SCZzaGMxRfLPsaV52aTW6f+qr0ia3yM4io+UqX2kY1hYe1Wm EZQN6X0q9ESKIouUeqz/yfBXhvSZTDpHA55awDh8LvmGL8LhsvxOSuvDy7Fe0xVxDxQZ pTrg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkrvLbO0etVrAsAvlxal/1RvadSwlfTG/fYKPA78UrpZ08xN37zlCkwiN4Ant55fH9Vj8Et29r1tliX3gogxCHndUR1oQ== X-Received: by 10.55.40.206 with SMTP id o75mr28156263qko.8.1425642946714; Fri, 06 Mar 2015 03:55:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from brn1lxmailout01.verisign.com (brn1lxmailout01.verisign.com. [72.13.63.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gt4sm2893536qcb.3.2015.03.06.03.55.46 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 06 Mar 2015 03:55:46 -0800 (PST) X-Relaying-Domain: verisign.com Received: from brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexcas02 [10.173.152.206]) by brn1lxmailout01.verisign.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t26BtjNH031350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Mar 2015 06:55:45 -0500 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 06:55:45 -0500 From: "Gould, James" To: Rubens Kuhl Thread-Topic: [eppext] [provreg] Publishing of the Change Poll EPP Extension IETF Draft Thread-Index: AQHQV6GRu+SBKM9m50GIF0h2fdNzaZ0PrYiA Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 11:55:25 +0000 Message-ID: <332F3D8D-F320-4D62-B2A2-6E2E9AF8EE57@verisign.com> References: <211D0420-18A3-43D7-9A3D-553B34C6DF43@verisign.com> <77F1013C-BF41-4982-9845-C1F87F69B5F5@verisign.com> <4D5E61F9-D8ED-48A1-BF40-6CE42B09601B@nic.br> In-Reply-To: <4D5E61F9-D8ED-48A1-BF40-6CE42B09601B@nic.br> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_332F3D8DF3204D62B2A26E2E9AF8EE57verisigncom_"; type="multipart/alternative" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "gtld-tech@icann.org" , "eppext@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eppext] [provreg] Publishing of the Change Poll EPP Extension IETF Draft X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2015 11:55:51 -0000 --_004_332F3D8DF3204D62B2A26E2E9AF8EE57verisigncom_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_332F3D8DF3204D62B2A26E2E9AF8EE57verisigncom_" --_000_332F3D8DF3204D62B2A26E2E9AF8EE57verisigncom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rubens, In the use case, do the registries using the pending action flow with the p= ending action poll message? Will the registry process the command as a non= -pending action, waiting for some dependency to be fulfilled, and then publ= ish the action in DNS? Do you believe that all or some (opt in or out) cli= ents would want to be notified of this asynchronous action by the server wi= thout going through the pending action flow? I=92m not sure whether the de= ferred action is as much of an operation since it more of a state transitio= n for the originating operation. A custom operation is supported in draft-= gould-change-poll to support non-general use cases. The question is whethe= r this is a general use case that deserves a pre-defined operation and if s= o what should that operation be if it=92s different from the originating op= eration? I would call it something like =93deferredPublication=94. Thoughts? =97 JG [cid:77031CC3-BE7A-4188-A95F-D23115A30A4D@vcorp.ad.vrsn.com] James Gould Distinguished Engineer jgould@Verisign.com 703-948-3271 12061 Bluemont Way Reston, VA 20190 VerisignInc.com On Mar 6, 2015, at 12:07 AM, Rubens Kuhl > wrote: James et al, Has the use case of DNS publishing been considered for the changepoll exten= sion ? Some registries defer publication of a domain to the registry zone u= ntil DNS servers respond correctly (authoritative, DNSKEY matches DS etc.),= and a poll message could signal that to the sponsoring client. I couldn't = find an appropriate operation in changepoll-02... what are your and the gro= up's thoughts on this ? Rubens Em 30/01/2015, =E0(s) 11:53:000, Gould, James > escreveu: Ulrich, Thank you for the review of the draft. My feedback is embedded below. I received private feedback to add an optional caseId element to help captu= re the UDRP, URS, or other case identifier for the change. The optional ca= seId element was added with an enumerated =93type=94 attribute, with the en= umerated values of =93udrp=94, =93urs=94, and =93custom=94, and with an opt= ional =93name=94 attribute for the =93custom=94 type. Are there any additi= onal case types that should be included in the enumerated list? You can se= e the latest updates of the draft using the GitHub project https://github.c= om/james-f-gould/EPP-Change-Poll.git. =97 JG James Gould Distinguished Engineer jgould@Verisign.com 703-948-3271 12061 Bluemont Way Reston, VA 20190 VerisignInc.com On Jan 30, 2015, at 4:08 AM, Ulrich Wisser > wrote: Hi James and Trung! You two did a nice job on the extension. I would prefer the transform command instead of the info response. That wo= uld eliminate the need for before/after indicator. You mean you want to see the full input transform command in the poll messa= ge? Most of the server-side operations don=92t go through EPP, so it would= be a challenge to attempt to present the input prior to executing the oper= ation using an EPP transform command. Another issue with using a transform= command is representing the server-side logic that is not reflected in the= input parameters like the setting of the expiration date. The client can = see the end result of the operation without having to replicate the transfo= rm operation logic, along with the meta-data about the operation using the = info response. One question for the list is the value in making the before image of the ob= ject available? The after image is required, but the thought is that the b= efore image may be desired. I have some problems with the operators - Why is autoRenew a special operation instead of operation renew with op= =3D"auto=94? I agree that both are associated with renewing the domain; although I view = them as separate first class operations with different characteristics (Wha= t drives the operation, how does the operation function, and what is the ap= plicable grace period for the operation). - What is the difference between delete and delete op=3D"purge=94? Good question. Purge is associated with physically removing the object fro= m the database where the delete could start an RGP lifecycle flow. An imme= diate delete (e.g. delete within the add grace period) is reflected by a = =93delete=94 with the op=3D=93purge=94; otherwise it would be just =93delet= e=94. - Why autoPurge / autoDelete? Another good question. What if for some registries the domain is deleted i= nstead of auto renewed at expiry? That would match the use of the =93autoD= elete=94 operation. Now, the =93autoDelete=94 could include the purging of= the object which would be reflected by setting op=3D=93purge=94. The auto= Purge operation is the server batch that physically purges the object (doma= in) at the end of the pendingDelete period. In this case the domain has be= en deleted, put through the RGP lifecycle flow, and is being purged from th= e database. We wanted to handle both types of registries (auto renew and a= uto delete) as well as be able to identify the event when the object is pur= ged from the database. I hope this makes sense. Kind regards from Stockholm Ulrich 2015-01-20 14:49 GMT+01:00 Gould, James >: The first draft of the Change Poll EPP Extension ( http://tools.ietf.org/ht= ml/draft-gould-change-poll-00 ) has been submitted to the IETF. I co-autho= red this draft with Trung Tran from Neustar to provide a mechanism within E= PP to notify clients of any server-side change, including but not limited t= o regular batch processes, customer support actions, Uniform Domain-Name Di= spute-Resolution Policy (UDRP) or Uniform Rapid Suspension (URS) actions, c= ourt directed actions, and bulk updates based on customer requests. Sinc= e the client is not directly involved or knowledgable of these operations, = the extension is used along with an EPP object mapping to provide the resul= ting state of the post-operation object, and optionally a pre-operation obj= ect, with the operation meta-data of what, when, who, and why. We would li= ke this draft to be included in a re-charting of the EPPEXT Working Group. Please review the draft and provide any feedback. Thanks, =97 JG James Gould Distinguished Engineer jgould@Verisign.com 703-948-3271 12061 Bluemont Way Reston, VA 20190 VerisignInc.com =93This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of= the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain informa= tion that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and exempt f= rom disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as attorney work = product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified tha= t any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is= strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, notify se= nder immediately and delete this message immediately.=94 _______________________________________________ provreg mailing list provreg@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/provreg _______________________________________________ EppExt mailing list EppExt@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext _______________________________________________ EppExt mailing list EppExt@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext --_000_332F3D8DF3204D62B2A26E2E9AF8EE57verisigncom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <2B810556C310034AB60972F1546F231E@verisign.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rubens,

In the use case, do the registries using the pending action flow with = the pending action poll message?  Will the registry process the comman= d as a non-pending action, waiting for some dependency to be fulfilled, and= then publish the action in DNS?  Do you believe that all or some (opt in or out) clients would want to be noti= fied of this asynchronous action by the server without going through the pe= nding action flow?  I=92m not sure whether the deferred action is as m= uch of an operation since it more of a state transition for the originating operation.  A custom operation i= s supported in draft-gould-change-poll to support non-general use case= s.  The question is whether this is a general use case that deserves a= pre-defined operation and if so what should that operation be if it=92s different from the originating operation?  I w= ould call it something like =93deferredPublication=94.  

Thoughts?   

=97

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James Gould
Distinguished Engineer
jgould@Verisign.com

703-948-3271
12061 Bluemont Way
Reston, VA 20190

VerisignI= nc.com

On Mar 6, 2015, at 12:07 AM, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br> wrote:

James et al,

Has the use case of DNS publishing been considered for the = changepoll extension ? Some registries defer publication of a domain to the= registry zone until DNS servers respond correctly (authoritative, DNSKEY m= atches DS etc.), and a poll message could signal that to the sponsoring client. I couldn't find an appropriate= operation in changepoll-02... what are your and the group's thoughts on th= is ? 


Rubens



Em 30/01/2015, =E0(s) 11:53:000, Gould, James <JGould@verisign.com> escr= eveu:

Ulrich,

Thank you for the review of the draft.  My feedback is embedded below.=  

I received private feedback to add an optional caseId element to help captu= re the UDRP, URS, or other case identifier for the change.  The option= al caseId element was added with an enumerated =93type=94 attribute, with t= he enumerated values of =93udrp=94, =93urs=94, and =93custom=94, and with an optional =93name=94 attribute for the =93custom= =94 type.  Are there any additional case types that should be included= in the enumerated list?  You can see the latest updates of the draft = using the GitHub project https://github.com/james-f-gould/EPP-Change-= Poll.git.  

=97

JG


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James Gould
Distinguished Engineer
jgould@Verisign.com

703-948-3271
12061 Bluemont Way
Reston, VA 20190

VerisignInc.com=

On Jan 30, 2015, at 4:08 AM, Ulrich Wisser <ulrich@wisser.se> wrote:

Hi James and Trung!

You two did a nice job on the extension.  

I  would prefer the transform command instead of the i= nfo response. That would eliminate the need for before/after indicator.

You mean you want to see the full input transform command i= n the poll message?  Most of the server-side operations don=92t go thr= ough EPP, so it would be a challenge to attempt to present the input prior = to executing the operation using an EPP transform command.  Another issue with using a transform command is representin= g the server-side logic that is not reflected in the input parameters like = the setting of the expiration date.  The client can see the end result= of the operation without having to replicate the transform operation logic, along with the meta-data about the operatio= n using the info response.  

One question for the list is the value in making the before= image of the object available?  The after image is required, but the = thought is that the before image may be desired.


I have some problems with the operators

- Why is autoRenew a special operation instead of operation= renew with op=3D"auto=94?

I agree that both are associated with renewing the domain; = although I view them as separate first class operations with different char= acteristics (What drives the operation, how does the operation function, an= d what is the applicable grace period for the operation).   


- What is the difference between delete and delete op=3D&qu= ot;purge=94? 

Good question.  Purge is associated with physically re= moving the object from the database where the delete could start an RGP lif= ecycle flow.  An immediate delete (e.g. delete within the add grace pe= riod) is reflected by a =93delete=94 with the op=3D=93purge=94; otherwise it would be just =93delete=94.  

- Why autoPurge / autoDelete?

Another good question.  What if for some registries th= e domain is deleted instead of auto renewed at expiry?  That would mat= ch the use of the =93autoDelete=94 operation.  Now, the =93autoDelete= =94 could include the purging of the object which would be reflected by setting op=3D=93purge=94.  The autoPurge operation is th= e server batch that physically purges the object (domain) at the end of the= pendingDelete period.  In this case the domain has been deleted, put = through the RGP lifecycle flow, and is being purged from the database.  We wanted to handle both types of registries (aut= o renew and auto delete) as well as be able to identify the event when the = object is purged from the database.  I hope this makes sense.


Kind regards from Stockholm

Ulrich



2015-01-20 14:49 GMT+01:00 Gould, James = <JGo= uld@verisign.com>:
The first draft of the Change Poll EPP Extension ( http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gould-change-poll-00<= span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> ) has been submitted to the IETF.  I co-authored this draft with Trung = Tran from Neustar to provide a mechanism within EPP to notify clients of an= y server-side change, including but not limited to regular batch processes,= customer support actions, Uniform Domain-Name Dispute-Resolution Policy (UDRP) or Uniform Rapid Suspension (URS) actions= , court directed actions, and bulk updates based on customer requests. &nbs= p;  Since the client is not directly involved or knowledgable of these= operations, the extension is used along with an EPP object mapping to provide the resulting state of the post-operation= object, and optionally a pre-operation object, with the operation meta-dat= a of what, when, who, and why.  We would like this draft to be include= d in a re-charting of the EPPEXT Working Group.  

Please review the draft and provide any feedback.

Thanks,

=97

JG


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[72.13.63.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jy4sm2925092qcb.0.2015.03.06.04.08.33 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 06 Mar 2015 04:08:33 -0800 (PST) X-Relaying-Domain: verisign.com Received: from brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexcas02 [10.173.152.206]) by brn1lxmailout01.verisign.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t26C8X0t000426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Mar 2015 07:08:33 -0500 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 07:08:32 -0500 From: "Gould, James" To: Keith Gaughan Thread-Topic: [eppext] Seemingly contradictory/ambiguous language in draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase-04 Thread-Index: AQHQWAOvVdHofzTd+k6eyZCV/v+cPZ0PsFgA Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 12:08:13 +0000 Message-ID: <928D2CA3-CB8E-475F-96DE-36734AAE4074@verisign.com> References: <54F99463.6090101@blacknight.com> In-Reply-To: <54F99463.6090101@blacknight.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_928D2CA3CB8E475F96DE36734AAE4074verisigncom_"; type="multipart/alternative" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "eppext@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eppext] Seemingly contradictory/ambiguous language in draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase-04 X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2015 12:08:37 -0000 --_004_928D2CA3CB8E475F96DE36734AAE4074verisigncom_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_928D2CA3CB8E475F96DE36734AAE4074verisigncom_" --_000_928D2CA3CB8E475F96DE36734AAE4074verisigncom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Keith, I agree adding a comma would be helpful to separate the two cases of the us= e of the =93name=94 attribute; although I don=92t believe the implementers = have had an issue with how it=92s currently defined. Any additional nit fe= edback like this would be very helpful. Thanks, =97 JG [cid:77031CC3-BE7A-4188-A95F-D23115A30A4D@vcorp.ad.vrsn.com] James Gould Distinguished Engineer jgould@Verisign.com 703-948-3271 12061 Bluemont Way Reston, VA 20190 VerisignInc.com On Mar 6, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Keith Gaughan > wrote: In SS2.3, it states: For extensibility, the element includes an OPTIONAL "name" attribute that can define a sub-phase or the full name of the phase when the element has the "custom" value. Which seems to imply that the 'name' attribute is only meant to be used when has a value of 'custom'. The I-D seem to immediately contradict itself with the following: For example, the "claims" launch phase could have two sub-phases that include "landrush" and "open". The only way I can reconcile these is if the first sentence has a punctuation error in it and should read: For extensibility, the element includes an OPTIONAL "name" attribute that can define a sub-phase, or the full name of the phase when the element has the "custom" value. The addition of the comma after 'sub-phase' clarifies that 'sub-phase' refers to phase values other than 'custom' and that the 'name' attribute can be used with phases other than 'custom'. K. -- Keith Gaughan, Development Lead PGP/GPG key ID: 82AC3634 Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd. 12A Barrowside Business Park, Carlow, Ireland Registered in Ireland, Company No.: 370845 _______________________________________________ EppExt mailing list EppExt@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext --_000_928D2CA3CB8E475F96DE36734AAE4074verisigncom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <4E8A8BA0C739DA4DAFD70F7AA1A99C83@verisign.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Keith,

I agree adding a comma would be helpful to separate the two cases of t= he use of the =93name=94 attribute; although I don=92t believe the implemen= ters have had an issue with how it=92s currently defined.  Any additio= nal nit feedback like this would be very helpful.  

Thanks,

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James Gould
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Reston, VA 20190

VerisignI= nc.com

On Mar 6, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Keith Gaughan <keith@blacknight.com> wrote:

In SS2.3, it states:

  For extensibility, the <launch:phase> element includes an= OPTIONAL
  "name" attribute that can define a sub-phase or the f= ull name of the
  phase when the <launch:phase> element has the "custo= m" value.

Which seems to imply that the 'name' attribute is only meant to be used
when <launch:phase> has a value of 'custom'.

The I-D seem to immediately contradict itself with the following:

  For example, the "claims" launch phase could have two= sub-phases that
  include "landrush" and "open".

The only way I can reconcile these is if the first sentence has a
punctuation error in it and should read:

  For extensibility, the <launch:phase> element includes an= OPTIONAL
  "name" attribute that can define a sub-phase, or the = full name of the
  phase when the <launch:phase> element has the "custo= m" value.

The addition of the comma after 'sub-phase' clarifies that 'sub-phase'
refers to phase values other than 'custom' and that the 'name' attribute can be used with phases other than 'custom'.

K.

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by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE8C01A0430 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 08:11:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:2620:0:230:2001::1006] (unknown [IPv6:2620:0:230:2001::1006]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 67FCC468CF for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 11:11:06 -0500 (EST) From: JF Tremblay Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C7CF7DF4-BA0E-4859-8576-3D434FA8111E" Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 11:11:03 -0500 References: <20150306154709.17870.88958.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: eppext@ietf.org Message-Id: <7BE158D8-BB7B-4B66-8176-34805213A971@viagenie.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) Archived-At: Subject: [eppext] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00.txt X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2015 16:14:56 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C7CF7DF4-BA0E-4859-8576-3D434FA8111E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As discussed in Honolulu, a draft has now been published describing the = EPP extension(s) used at CIRA to support French IDN in the .ca domain.=20= Of course, a number of the objects described in the draft overlap with = other drafts, for example draft-kong and idnmap. Comments are welcome.=20= /JF > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > To: "Jean-Francois Tremblay" , = "Jacques Latour" , "Jacques Latour" = , "Stuart Olmstead-Wilcox" = , "Stuart Olmstead-Wilcox" = , "JF Tremblay" = > Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00.txt > Date: March 6, 2015 at 10:47:09 AM GMT-5 >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Jean-Francois Tremblay and posted = to the > IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext > Revision: 00 > Title: CIRA IDN EPP Extension > Document date: 2015-03-06 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 22 > URL: = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00.txt > Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext/ > Htmlized: = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00 >=20 >=20 > Abstract: > The Canadian Internet Registration Authority (CIRA), administering > the .CA country-code top-level domain, offers internationalized > domain names (IDN) in French, one of Canada's official languages. > CIRA's Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) services have been > augmented with an IDN EPP extension in order to support registrars > desiring to register internationalized domains using French > characters as bundled domains. >=20 > This document defines the extension to the Extensible Provisioning > Protocol used at CIRA to support IDN operations. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 --Apple-Mail=_C7CF7DF4-BA0E-4859-8576-3D434FA8111E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
As discussed in Honolulu, a draft has now = been published describing the EPP extension(s) used at CIRA to support = French IDN in the .ca domain. 

Of course, a number of the objects = described in the draft overlap with other drafts, for example draft-kong = and idnmap. Comments are welcome. 

/JF

Begin forwarded message:

From: = internet-drafts@ietf.org
To: "Jean-Francois Tremblay" <jean-francois.tremblay@viagenie.ca>, "Jacques Latour" = <jacques.latour@cira.ca>, "Jacques Latour" <jacques.latour@cira.ca>, "Stuart Olmstead-Wilcox" = <stuart.olmstead-wilcox@cira.ca>, "Stuart = Olmstead-Wilcox" <stuart.olmstead-wilcox@cira.ca>, "JF Tremblay" <jean-francois.tremblay@viagenie.ca>
Subject: = New Version = Notification for draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00.txt
Date: = March 6, 2015 at 10:47:09 AM = GMT-5


A new version of I-D, draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Jean-Francois Tremblay and = posted to the
IETF repository.

Name: = = draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext
Revision: 00
Title:= = CIRA IDN EPP Extension
Document date: = 2015-03-06
Group: Individual Submission
Pages:= = 22
URL: =            http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppex= t-00.txt
Status: =         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext/<= /a>
Htmlized:       http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00<= br class=3D"">

Abstract:
=   The Canadian Internet Registration Authority (CIRA), = administering
  the .CA country-code top-level = domain, offers internationalized
  domain names = (IDN) in French, one of Canada's official languages.
=   CIRA's Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) services have = been
  augmented with an IDN EPP extension in = order to support registrars
  desiring to = register internationalized domains using French
=   characters as bundled domains.

=   This document defines the extension to the Extensible = Provisioning
  Protocol used at CIRA to support = IDN operations.




Please note that it may take a couple of = minutes from the time of submission
until the htmlized = version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

The IETF = Secretariat


= --Apple-Mail=_C7CF7DF4-BA0E-4859-8576-3D434FA8111E-- From nobody Fri Mar 6 09:12:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6121A03A5 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 09:12:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xYCKSm2yODes for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 09:12:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx2.cira.ca (mx2.cira.ca [192.228.22.117]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF6A51A0173 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 09:12:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by SpamTitan at corp.cira.ca Received: from EXCH-01.CORP.CIRA.CA ([fe80::2073:dbc0:bb14:ab50]) by EXCH-02.CORP.CIRA.CA ([fe80::3c25:d5f2:72b8:e35c%17]) with mapi id 14.01.0438.000; Fri, 6 Mar 2015 12:12:29 -0500 From: Tongfeng Zhang To: JF Tremblay , "eppext@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [eppext] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHQWCi0o1BBLtiKWkWTJ0mVGrA7W50Pr88w Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 17:12:27 +0000 Message-ID: <9C598D80CB5D6544818FE5EB30CA175CD5260B9D@EXCH-01.CORP.CIRA.CA> References: <20150306154709.17870.88958.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7BE158D8-BB7B-4B66-8176-34805213A971@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <7BE158D8-BB7B-4B66-8176-34805213A971@viagenie.ca> Accept-Language: en-US, en-CA Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.2.40.104] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [eppext] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00.txt X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2015 17:12:31 -0000 Good stuff. I have a couple of comments below. - Section 5.1.4 should be titled "EPP Query Command" because 5.1= is about "EPP Query Commands". The normal transfer command falls under "EP= P Transform Commands". - In Section 7, the statement "For a label size of 64 characters, the list = of label variants may reach up to 320 entries." The 320 is not mathematical= ly right. To be exact, it should be 5 power of 64. :) Thanks, Tongfeng From: EppExt [mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of JF Tremblay Sent: March-06-15 11:11 AM To: eppext@ietf.org Subject: [eppext] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-wilcox-cira-idn-e= ppext-00.txt As discussed in Honolulu, a draft has now been published describing the EPP= extension(s) used at CIRA to support French IDN in the .ca domain.=A0 Of course, a number of the objects described in the draft overlap with othe= r drafts, for example draft-kong and idnmap. Comments are welcome.=A0 /JF Begin forwarded message: From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: "Jean-Francois Tremblay" , "Jacques= Latour" , "Jacques Latour" , "Stuart Olmstead-Wilcox" , "Stuart Olmst= ead-Wilcox" , "JF Tremblay" Subject: New Version Notification for draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00.txt Date: March 6, 2015 at 10:47:09 AM GMT-5 A new version of I-D, draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Jean-Francois Tremblay and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext Revision: 00 Title: CIRA IDN EPP Extension Document date: 2015-03-06 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 22 URL: =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/d= raft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00.txt Status: =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wilc= ox-cira-idn-eppext/ Htmlized: =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wilcox-cira-id= n-eppext-00 Abstract: =A0=A0The Canadian Internet Registration Authority (CIRA), administering =A0=A0the .CA country-code top-level domain, offers internationalized =A0=A0domain names (IDN) in French, one of Canada's official languages. =A0=A0CIRA's Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) services have been =A0=A0augmented with an IDN EPP extension in order to support registrars =A0=A0desiring to register internationalized domains using French =A0=A0characters as bundled domains. =A0=A0This document defines the extension to the Extensible Provisioning =A0=A0Protocol used at CIRA to support IDN operations. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat From nobody Sat Mar 7 07:13:49 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 496651A89A8 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2015 07:13:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XOSfg42-Kzb1 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2015 07:13:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9073D1A1B82 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2015 07:13:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:2620:0:230:2001::1006] (unknown [IPv6:2620:0:230:2001::1006]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B741141319; Sat, 7 Mar 2015 10:13:44 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) From: JF Tremblay In-Reply-To: <9C598D80CB5D6544818FE5EB30CA175CD5260B9D@EXCH-01.CORP.CIRA.CA> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2015 10:13:41 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20150306154709.17870.88958.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7BE158D8-BB7B-4B66-8176-34805213A971@viagenie.ca> <9C598D80CB5D6544818FE5EB30CA175CD5260B9D@EXCH-01.CORP.CIRA.CA> To: Tongfeng Zhang X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) Archived-At: Cc: "eppext@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eppext] draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00 X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2015 15:13:48 -0000 > On Mar 6, 2015, at 12:12 PM, Tongfeng Zhang = wrote: >=20 > Good stuff. > I have a couple of comments below. Thanks for reviewing it.=20 > - Section 5.1.4 should be titled "EPP Query Command" = because 5.1 is about "EPP Query Commands". The normal transfer command = falls under "EPP Transform Commands=94. Noted, will update in next version.=20 > - In Section 7, the statement "For a label size of 64 characters, the = list of label variants may reach up to 320 entries." The 320 is not = mathematically right. To be exact, it should be 5 power of 64. :) Right=85 Must have written this on a pre-coffee morning. It=92s 5 = possible code variants over 64 positions, so 5x5x5x5x=85 64 times, so = 5^^64, or 5.4E44. More than enough to create a DOS on the server from a = single registrar query, even if the registrar is unwillingly = participating (might be an unchecked request from the public registrant = side, the web interface for example). Will update that text. 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[72.13.63.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cg8sm142194qcb.1.2015.03.10.05.50.06 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 10 Mar 2015 05:50:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Relaying-Domain: verisign.com Received: from brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexcas01 [10.173.152.205]) by brn1lxmailout01.verisign.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t2ACo5p9015656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 08:50:05 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Tue, 10 Mar 2015 08:50:05 -0400 From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: "eppext@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Update: Registration Operations Workshop 2015-1 Thread-Index: AdBbMLrPubsrWgK8TwiarCd9z5zgLg== Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 12:49:41 +0000 Message-ID: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F49F6CE68@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [eppext] Update: Registration Operations Workshop 2015-1 X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 12:50:15 -0000 Registration Operations Workshop 2015-1 is scheduled for Sunday, 22 March 2= 015 from 1230 - 1630 in the Continental Room at the Fairmont Dallas Hotel, = the same venue being used for IETF-92. The event is not affiliated with the= IETF meeting, but with IETF support we've been able to secure a room that'= s large enough to host the event. Still, space is limited and seats are goi= ng fast. Please register quickly if you haven't already done so. Registered= attendees will receive updates via email as we get closer to the event dat= e. Verisign has set up a web site to provide information and allow people to r= egister. We're asking people to register in advance so we can make appropri= ate plans for space and refreshments. We're also using a mailing list to sh= are information about the workshop. Subscription info can be found here:=20 https://lists.verisignlabs.com/mailman/listinfo/roa This list name is "roa@lists.regiops.net". You must be subscribed to the li= st to post and to view the list archives.=20 Remote participants are welcome! We're using WebEx to provide interactive a= udio and video for remote participation. Please note if you're planning to = participate remotely when you register, and join the mailing list to receiv= e timely updates. I'm very happy to note that the workshop is being co-sponsored by GoDaddy a= nd Nic.br. We've also started the process of transitioning workshop managem= ent functions to Viag=E9nie, a well-known Canadian consulting and R&D firm = that specializes in advanced computer networking technologies. Thank you to= GoDaddy, Nic.br, and Viag=E9nie for helping to make this workshop possible= . The agenda for the workshop is shaping up nicely. We're going to talk about= the new RFC 7451, the "Extension Registry for the Extensible Provisioning = Protocol". If you've developed an EPP extension for your registry this docu= ment describes how you can register your extension with IANA and let others= know it exists. This will eventually help our industry consider ways of re= ducing duplication in EPP extensions, making it easier for registries and r= egistrars to work together. That topic will conclude with demonstrations of= extension requests being created and submitted to IANA. Registration operations extend beyond EPP, and we're going to include two t= opics that describe new opportunities for innovation in the domain name eco= system. The first topic, led by Richard Barnes of Mozilla, will focus on th= e Let's Encrypt initiative and the Automatic Certificate Management Environ= ment (ACME) protocol. The second topic, led by Olafur Gudmundsson of CloudF= lare and Jacques Latour of CIRA, will focus on a proposal for a new registr= y access model to update delegation information. The workshop will conclude with a discussion of EPP extension opportunities= . This will help us organize our thoughts in advance of the EPPEXT working = group meeting that takes place on Friday 27 March.=20 For additional details about the workshop, please visit www.regiops.net. From nobody Thu Mar 12 07:47:27 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12FFF1A6F3C for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 07:47:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.14 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.14 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jFTwJut3SW9c for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 07:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kmx10a.knipp.de (clust3b.bbone.knipp.de [195.253.6.85]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3919A1A1AA9 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 07:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.bbone.knipp.de [127.0.0.1]) by kmx10a.knipp.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EACF51 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:47:22 +0100 (MEZ) X-Knipp-VirusScanned: Yes Received: from kmx10a.knipp.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kmx10a.knipp.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10004) with ESMTP id IHXil9KqTFaV for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:47:15 +0100 (MEZ) Received: from hp9000.do.knipp.de (hp9000.do.knipp.de [195.253.2.54]) by kmx10a.knipp.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E78C250 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:47:14 +0100 (MEZ) Received: from [195.253.2.105] (thrawn.do.knipp.de [195.253.2.105]) by hp9000.do.knipp.de (@(#)Sendmail version 8.13.3 - Revision 1.000 - 1st August, 2006/8.13.3) with ESMTP id t2CElEBY004265 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:47:14 +0100 (MEZ) Message-ID: <5501A6DD.4040305@knipp.de> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:46:53 +0100 From: Michael Bauland User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eppext@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [eppext] Registry Fee Extension with IDNs X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 14:47:26 -0000 Hi, we're currently implementing and actively using the fee extension (at the moment only the check command) [1]. There's been one problem that occurred to us recently: It's not possible to specify (or return) an IDN tag for the domain to check. If a registry supports several different IDN tags and has different prices for those tags, there isn't a way for a registrar to define what language he would like to use. Say you have languages A and B with overlapping IDN tables and X is a label that's valid for both languages. Additionally, B's IDN table also allows variants, whereas the language A does not have variants. Then the registry might want to have a higher price when X is registered using the IDN tag for B (because the registrar may add variants for free). Do you think it might be worthwhile to have an additional optional IDN attribute (similar to the phase attribute) within the command? Or what do you think is the best way to support IDN tags? Best regards, Michael [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brown-epp-fees-03 -- ____________________________________________________________________ | | | knipp | Knipp Medien und Kommunikation GmbH ------- Technologiepark Martin-Schmeißer-Weg 9 44227 Dortmund Deutschland Dipl.-Informatiker Tel: +49 231 9703-284 Fax: +49 231 9703-200 Dr. Michael Bauland SIP: Michael.Bauland@knipp.de Software-Entwicklung E-Mail: Michael.Bauland@knipp.de Registereintrag: Amtsgericht Dortmund, HRB 13728 Geschäftsführer: Dietmar Knipp, Elmar Knipp From nobody Fri Mar 13 12:12:35 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A24F1A00E6 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 12:12:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=unavailable Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UM_1s362QaGU for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 12:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-f98.google.com (mail-oi0-f98.google.com [209.85.218.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F41381A0064 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 12:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by oifz81 with SMTP id z81so474942oif.3 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 12:12:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:thread-topic:thread-index :date:message-id:references:in-reply-to:accept-language :content-language:content-type:mime-version; bh=R8xYPfPhOf5hQPLcQ2aTLNcmfy4pz54qqxUdBpkyQK0=; b=KiPJz9bl3GKEV6Vn6Y2I5fwJ+BDwtYafKpqdsQIbOFQbXj2G7K+E+UBliakOCgFICp FJH2+FBAuZXUpCfiRVfiaxuzFvVKzMkPrDR28x8DXbn70ePrfoVnSkt4tcangQDv8QAp cJK5Kn5dlZce8gU78B4pPDqr3NMstulWflvEbkf8B4UOzxhZntoVb2npGPzGigFvYUus iOEEnpm5pAxgaeOZFFm1W0DvE93I34SPFKqyqTKCTFpKYUPOazSalvFhGcrcsdtM+t7p J6NROFeTVb+XbOU8ouZea2uL6Y/qfxN+mXMq0kotEBRhRrN96119Sr6t8f5GKVvGTRFt gJVw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlDbL/DMcOckLesWISKh46OiqnE2q5XlGbXfFr9WnH+0OjqKD+u5oo4MnCb1tymdG7r4YyInlaxtj2InDpngZF2ea6YCQ== X-Received: by 10.140.237.14 with SMTP id i14mr12139105qhc.0.1426273948366; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 12:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brn1lxmailout01.verisign.com (brn1lxmailout01.verisign.com. [72.13.63.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cg8sm798442qcb.1.2015.03.13.12.12.28 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 13 Mar 2015 12:12:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Relaying-Domain: verisign.com Received: from brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexcas01 [10.173.152.205]) by brn1lxmailout01.verisign.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t2DJCRxh010453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Mar 2015 15:12:27 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Fri, 13 Mar 2015 15:12:27 -0400 From: "Gould, James" To: Kim Davies Thread-Topic: [provreg] Publishing of the IDN Table EPP Mapping IETF Draft Thread-Index: AQHQQWJumxRDFmqfz0eXkuVv273QPp0NhymAgA27w4A= Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 19:11:58 +0000 Message-ID: References: <96D1CC17-60A1-445A-8B2F-B56918E4D881@verisign.com> <14D87A78-F5A2-458C-969B-593FE732A822@icann.org> In-Reply-To: <14D87A78-F5A2-458C-969B-593FE732A822@icann.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_F22B58EC84F14BD092170EF7849368B9verisigncom_"; type="multipart/alternative" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "gtld-tech@icann.org" , "eppext@ietf.org" , EPP Provreg Subject: Re: [eppext] [provreg] Publishing of the IDN Table EPP Mapping IETF Draft X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 19:12:34 -0000 --_004_F22B58EC84F14BD092170EF7849368B9verisigncom_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F22B58EC84F14BD092170EF7849368B9verisigncom_" --_000_F22B58EC84F14BD092170EF7849368B9verisigncom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kim, Thank you for the feedback. The main question that I have around draft-dav= ies-idntables is whether it is meant for servers, for clients, or both. Wo= uld the Registrars have the need for the IDN Table code points as defined i= n draft-gould-idn-table or have the need for the more extensive Label Gener= ation Rules (LGR) as defined in draft-davies-idntables from within EPP? I = will provide separate feedback to draft-davies-idntables from a server pers= pective, but I would like to know what information the clients would like t= o have. Inclusion of the code points in draft-gould-idn-table was based on= feedback from a Registrar to support caching, when the idea for draft-goul= d-idn-table was formed. I will discuss draft-gould-idn-table at the Registration Operations Worksho= p ( http://www.regiops.net ), that is being held immediately prior to IETF-= 92, on March 22nd. We hopefully can discuss this and other feedback there. Thanks, =97 JG [cid:77031CC3-BE7A-4188-A95F-D23115A30A4D@vcorp.ad.vrsn.com] James Gould Distinguished Engineer jgould@Verisign.com 703-948-3271 12061 Bluemont Way Reston, VA 20190 VerisignInc.com On Mar 4, 2015, at 4:26 PM, Kim Davies > wrote: Hi James, Hi all, The first draft of the IDN Table EPP Mapping has been submitted to the IETF= . I co-authored this draft with Francisco Obispo and Luis Mu=F1oz from Uni= registry to provide a mechanism for getting IDN Table information for the r= egistration of IDNs, using the EPP domain name mapping, and optionally with= the IDN mapping extension ( draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap ). We would like thi= s draft to be included in a re-charting of the EPPEXT Working Group. The d= raft information is provided below. URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gould-idn-table-0= 0.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gould-idn-table/ Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gould-idn-table-00 Please review the draft and provide any feedback. I=92ve reviewed this draft, and the -01 update, and have some belated feedb= ack on this document. Along with colleagues in the community, I have been working on draft-davies= -idntables (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-davies-idntables) and its goa= l is to document a universal format for =93IDN tables=94, intended to super= sede and be a full superset of the panoply for formats that are out there t= oday. This format has a specific schema, is intended to be fully machine re= adable, and allow implementation using a generic LGR-capable engine. Based = on draft-gould-idn-table I believe it should be fully capable of representi= ng the IDN table data described in the document. I would recommend recasting this proposed mapping to utilise draft-davies-i= dntables as the mechanism for describing code point eligibility, and making= the verb in the EPP extension a mechanism for transmitting fully-fo= rmed label generation rulesets (the term for IDN tables in draft-davies-idn= tables). It would provide for maximum reuse of the grammar, plus provide th= e additional benefit that should a registry have a more complex policy than= simple codepoint eligibility that it can be accurately conveyed. Given the term =93IDN tables=94 is being gradually replaced with =93label g= eneration rulesets=94 (LGRs) in ICANN=92s work, as a more generic term that= is not specific to IDNs, it is worth considering using this terminology el= sewhere in this document. If there are particular considerations that mean draft-davies-idntables wou= ldn=92t be a suitable format, that would be useful feedback to help us iter= ate the draft-davies-idntables document with additional requirements. cheers, kim --_000_F22B58EC84F14BD092170EF7849368B9verisigncom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kim,

Thank you for the feedback.  The main question that I have around=  draft-davies-idntables is whether it is meant for servers, for client= s, or both.  Would the Registrars have the need for the IDN Table code= points as defined in draft-gould-idn-table or have the need for the more extensive Label Generation Rules (LGR) as defin= ed in draft-davies-idntables from within EPP?  I will provide separate= feedback to draft-davies-idntables from a server perspective, but I would = like to know what information the clients would like to have.  Inclusion of the code points in draft-gould-idn-= table was based on feedback from a Registrar to support caching, when the i= dea for draft-gould-idn-table was formed.  

I will discuss draft-gould-idn-table at the Registration Operations Wo= rkshop ( http://www.regiops.net= ), that is being held immediately prior to IETF-92, on March 22nd.  W= e hopefully can discuss this and other feedback there.  

Thanks,

=97

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James Gould
Distinguished Engineer
jgould@Verisign.com

703-948-3271
12061 Bluemont Way
Reston, VA 20190

VerisignI= nc.com

On Mar 4, 2015, at 4:26 PM, Kim Davies <kim.davies@icann.org> wrote:

Hi James, Hi all,

The first draft of the IDN Table EPP Mapping has been submi= tted to the IETF.  I co-authored this draft with Francisco Obispo and = Luis Mu=F1oz from Uniregistry to provide a mechanism for getting IDN Table = information for the registration of IDNs, using the EPP domain name mapping, and optionally with the IDN mapping ext= ension ( draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap ).  We would like this draft to= be included in a re-charting of the EPPEXT Working Group.  The draft = information is provided below.

URL:          =   http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gould-id= n-table-00.txt
Status:         https://datatra= cker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gould-idn-table/
Htmlized:       http://tools.ietf.org/html/dr= aft-gould-idn-table-00

Please review the draft and provide any feedback.

I=92ve reviewed this draft, and the -01 update, and have some belated = feedback on this document.

Along with colleagues in the community, I have been working on draft-d= avies-idntables (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-davies-idntables) and= its goal is to document a universal format for =93IDN tables=94, intended to supersede and be a full superset = of the panoply for formats that are out there today. This format has a spec= ific schema, is intended to be fully machine readable, and allow implementa= tion using a generic LGR-capable engine. Based on draft-gould-idn-table I believe it should be fully capable of rep= resenting the IDN table data described in the document.

I would recommend recasting this proposed mapping to utilise draft-dav= ies-idntables as the mechanism for describing code point eligibility, and m= aking the <info> verb in the EPP extension a mechanism for transmitti= ng fully-formed label generation rulesets (the term for IDN tables in draft-davies-idntables). It would provide for = maximum reuse of the grammar, plus provide the additional benefit that shou= ld a registry have a more complex policy than simple codepoint eligibility = that it can be accurately conveyed.

Given the term =93IDN tables=94 is being gradually replaced with =93la= bel generation rulesets=94 (LGRs) in ICANN=92s work, as a more generic term= that is not specific to IDNs, it is worth considering using this terminolo= gy elsewhere in this document.

If there are particular considerations that mean draft-davies-idntable= s wouldn=92t be a suitable format, that would be useful feedback to help us= iterate the draft-davies-idntables document with additional requirements.<= /div>

cheers,

kim









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Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.0.32.234] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <6ADDB020AFC9044EB7A68FB7CE22773A@pexch112.icann.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "gtld-tech@icann.org" , "eppext@ietf.org" , EPP Provreg Subject: Re: [eppext] [provreg] Publishing of the IDN Table EPP Mapping IETF Draft X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 22:26:38 -0000 Hi James, > Thank you for the feedback. The main question that I have around draft-d= avies-idntables is whether it is meant for servers, for clients, or both. = Would the Registrars have the need for the IDN Table code points as defined= in draft-gould-idn-table or have the need for the more extensive Label Gen= eration Rules (LGR) as defined in draft-davies-idntables from within EPP? = I will provide separate feedback to draft-davies-idntables from a server pe= rspective, but I would like to know what information the clients would like= to have. Inclusion of the code points in draft-gould-idn-table was based = on feedback from a Registrar to support caching, when the idea for draft-go= uld-idn-table was formed. =20 draft-davies-idntables has no specific target in mind with respect to serve= rs or clients, it is just a descriptive format for describing label generat= ion policies. It is silent on where you may choose to use the data. The pri= mary driver is in any context where IDN tables may have been traditionally = been used, but we were mindful to make it generic so it may be used in non-= IDN contexts, and in fact non-domain contexts. It would be useful to know what the registrar expectation is for this data.= Is the expectation that registrars can use this data to fully ascertain wh= ether a label is within the registry=92s rules, or a subset of them? Even i= f a client could pre-vet a given label against a table/LGR, it will still b= e for the registry to ultimately determine whether it is willing to allocat= e it given a table/LGR alone can not tell you if a given label is available= for registration. The risk of using a format that only allows for describing simple code poin= t eligibility as it appears to be undefined what happens if the registry en= forces contextual rules? e.g. code point A is only permitted if it appears = after code point B. If the EPP extension can only signal part of the policy= then the client may be under a mistaken assumption that something is permi= tted when it is not, or vice versa, that a code point is not eligible but i= t actually is in the given context. kim= From nobody Sun Mar 22 10:40:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F291A0174 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 2015 10:40:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y1RCpk5RkRy3 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 2015 10:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-f181.google.com (mail-we0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 918A51A00E6 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 2015 10:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by webee49 with SMTP id ee49so11038395web.2 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 2015 10:40:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AZrIvkwuAniddTH6bC6PHRDA1z175U0ZtCUbs/NzhQ8=; b=F8cMwAiz9yZP6zusq44ceSb+7yF1f0ln1Ls4d8jazdcMw3xjNpwVWyJy6Cz5C11IgE hhUncju7s14xbpEhLQ5dbhrTRSYvdS4P1OtIsVVNs+igXKi91JKDYzphHGYjjV1FRwYW mIA9COOLXbI152ZSTHD858uos1pW2fQn4efieHDZcSFdqgmIztu8wEa981TrhFHhYwh7 7B0SmhY+dFc+qGrQLExCkOm2mW3uMpOPGOtIkAJMp2mu9AOkDGROLq6m8ekH1Ph8RDY0 y7nf9eJGOeL5jE1RucY7vFkxkhUnD9W5rOR3VrgRcUGzhnEkmTBNaRbB4C4dPx1PHpta j85Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm1poD5pdktNsP64X72osQ1BUA8Han5XfUjJAnQGOSdS+b854ZsFGG8Mn5iJ6UfhyxPOZ9n X-Received: by 10.194.2.43 with SMTP id 11mr178854248wjr.104.1427046018313; Sun, 22 Mar 2015 10:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-b056.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-b056.meeting.ietf.org. [31.133.176.86]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id e18sm15718350wjz.27.2015.03.22.10.40.15 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 22 Mar 2015 10:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <550EFE85.1080103@elistx.com> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 12:40:21 -0500 From: James Galvin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eppext Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [eppext] draft agenda for meeting Friday, 27 March 2015 X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 17:40:21 -0000 The following draft agenda was uploaded for our meeting this Friday, 27 March, at 11:50am local time in the Oak Room. This detailed draft agenda was created from what I proposed on the list back in January. As always, the agenda is subject to review and acceptance by the working group. If anyone would like to volunteer to be the Jabber scribe or minutes taker that would be appreciated! I'll say more about the current documents status in the coming days. Thanks! Jim AGENDA: EPP Extensions Draft Agenda for Friday, 27 March 2015 1. Welcome and Introductions 2. Note Well 3. Extension Registry for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol (RFC7451) a. b. Registration Procedure(s): Specification Required c. Expert(s): Scott Hollenbeck (primary), Alexander Mayrhofer (secondary), Ning Kong (secondary), Gavin Brown (secondary), Roger D Carney (secondary), Jim Galvin (secondary) 4. Existing Document Status a. draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap-02 b. draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay-01 c. draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase-04 d. draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd-01 5. Other topics a. Registrations Operation Workshop summary b. Topics brought forward 6. Recharter a. Scope would be to review extensions destined for standards track b. Possible documents 7. 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I found that 5.1.2.2 specifies a protocol level extension that so= me elements are similar with domain <info>. Whether or not a object = or command-response extension is enough.
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Regards,
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Linlin Zhou
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From: = JF Tremblay
Date: 2015-03-07 00:11
To: eppext
Subject: = ;[eppext] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-0= 0.txt
As discussed in Honolulu, a draft has now been published descr= ibing the EPP extension(s) used at CIRA to support French IDN in the .ca d= omain. 

Of = course, a number of the objects described in the draft overlap with other = drafts, for example draft-kong and idnmap. Comments are welcome. 
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/JF
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From: internet-drafts@ietf.org=
To: "Jean-Francois Tremblay" <jean-francois.tremblay@viagenie.ca>, "Jacques Latour" <jacques.latour@cira.ca>, "Jacques Latour" <jacques.latour@cira.ca>, "St= uart Olmstead-Wilcox" <stuart.olmstead-wilcox@cira.ca>, "Stuart Olmstead-Wilc= ox" <stuar= t.olmstead-wilcox@cira.ca>, "JF Tremblay" <jean-francois.tremblay@viageni= e.ca>
Subject: New Version Notification for d= raft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00.txt
Date: March 6, 2015 at 10:4= 7:09 AM GMT-5

A new version of I-D, draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Jean-Francois Tremblay and p= osted to the
IETF repository.

N= ame: draft-wilcox-c= ira-idn-eppext
Revision: 00
Title: CIRA IDN EPP Extension
Doc= ument date: 2015-03-06
Group: Individual Submission
Pages: 22
URL:   &= nbsp;        = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00.txt
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext/
Htmlized:       htt= p://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00
=

Abstract:
  The Can= adian Internet Registration Authority (CIRA), administering
=   the .CA country-code top-level domain, offers internationaliz= ed
  domain names (IDN) in French, one of Canada'= s official languages.
  CIRA's Extensible Provisi= oning Protocol (EPP) services have been
  augment= ed with an IDN EPP extension in order to support registrars
=   desiring to register internationalized domains using French   characters as bundled domains.
  This document defines the extension to the Extens= ible Provisioning
  Protocol used at CIRA to supp= ort IDN operations.




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=0A ------=_001_NextPart072324751383_=------ From nobody Tue Mar 24 08:33:32 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C623A1A8954 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 08:33:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2AGaPOjpnv8E for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 08:33:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8362E1A893A for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 08:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h200.viagenie.ca (h200.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.200]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 27D0840400; Tue, 24 Mar 2015 11:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_435A2C39-C3BC-48E6-A9DE-F01A852B60F7" From: JF Tremblay X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <2015032415450373649010@cnnic.cn> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 10:33:16 -0500 Message-Id: <762D97F5-E815-4935-AFFB-62702FC6BECE@viagenie.ca> References: <20150306154709.17870.88958.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <, > <7BE158D8-BB7B-4B66-8176-34805213A971@viagenie.ca> <2015032415450373649010@cnnic.cn> To: Linlin Zhou X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) Archived-At: Cc: "eppext@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eppext] New Version Notification for draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00.txt X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 15:33:30 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_435A2C39-C3BC-48E6-A9DE-F01A852B60F7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > On Mar 24, 2015, at 2:45 AM, Linlin Zhou wrote: >=20 > I found that 5.1.2.2 specifies a protocol level extension that some = elements are similar with domain . Whether or not a object or = command-response extension is enough.=20 Thank you for reading and commenting.=20 However, I am not sure I understand your comment. Are you saying that = existing elements of domain should be used instead of the = extension objects? Of course, it=92s clear this overlaps with other extensions proposed by = other. This is actually something that could be added to the next = version of the draft in order to facilitate the life of the expert = reviewer. JF --Apple-Mail=_435A2C39-C3BC-48E6-A9DE-F01A852B60F7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252

On Mar 24, 2015, at 2:45 AM, Linlin Zhou <zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn>= wrote:

I= found that 5.1.2.2= specifies a protocol level extension that some elements are similar = with domain <info>. Whether or not a object or command-response = extension is enough. 

Thank you for reading and commenting. 

However, I am not sure I = understand your comment. Are you saying that existing elements of domain = <info> should be used instead of the extension objects?

Of course, it=92s clear = this overlaps with other extensions proposed by other. This is actually = something that could be added to the next version of the draft in order = to facilitate the life of the expert reviewer.

JF

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