From nobody Mon Nov 2 07:25:13 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietf.org Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB161B47A7; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 07:25:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.7.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20151102152509.10721.43.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 07:25:09 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: eppext@ietf.org Subject: [eppext] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase-07.txt X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 15:25:10 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Extensible Provisioning Protocol Extensions Working Group of the IETF. Title : Launch Phase Mapping for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) Authors : James Gould Wil Tan Gavin Brown Filename : draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase-07.txt Pages : 61 Date : 2015-11-02 Abstract: This document describes an Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) extension mapping for the provisioning and management of domain name registrations and applications during the launch of a domain name registry. 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[73.133.108.218]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id u124sm735360qka.35.2015.11.04.12.05.59 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Nov 2015 12:05:59 -0800 (PST) To: Rik Ribbers , 'Antoin Verschuren' , "eppext@ietf.org" References: From: James Galvin Message-ID: <563A6547.40308@elistx.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 15:06:31 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [eppext] Working Group Last call for draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 20:06:04 -0000 This issue raised by Rik Ribbers has not been addressed by the working group. Would the authors, and any one from the working group please comment? Rik's suggestion seems reasonable to me but I would like to see confirmation from the authors. With this suggestion address this document is ready to move forward. However, it is dependent on draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-func-spec/, so I'd like to hold it in the working group and submit these two documents together. In addition to the change suggested above, we need a document shepherd to move this forward. Would anyone like to volunteer? Jim On 7/21/15 10:28 AM, Rik Ribbers wrote: > All, > > I finished the review. There is one issue that I raised earlier that (imho) needs some more clarification in the document. > > See http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eppext/current/msg00585.html > > We have interpreted section 2.3 different then the other implementers with respect to the normal or vanilla (as Alexander suggested) domain check. > > Having fully re-read the draft I am not sure if this issue should be addressed here or in the lozano functional specification > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lozano-tmch-func-spec/). However the last is expired and not getting any attention. In this draft there are several requirements concerning Domain Registration, there are no requirements concerning Domain Availability. So if nothing is specified the vanilla domain check can be used. > > However section 2.3 suggest one MUST provide a launchphase...... so what to do.... > > My suggestion is to add a few wording (slightly different then my previous proposal): > > ** old ** > The element MUST be included by the client to define the target launch phase of the command. > > ** new ** > The element MUST be included by the client to define the target launch phase of the command when using this EPP extension. > > Gr, > Rik > > > -----Original Message----- > From: EppExt [mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Antoin Verschuren > Sent: maandag 20 juli 2015 22:02 > To: eppext@ietf.org > Subject: [eppext] Working Group Last call for draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase > > Greetings, > > This is the starting of the WGLC on the Launch Phase Mapping for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP). > There was extensive discussion on the mailing list, an we believe the outcome is incorporated in the document and is ready for WGLC. > The current version of this document can be found here: > > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase-05.txt > > We'll have a 1,5 week period for comments, closing on Friday, 31 July 2015. > > During last call the chairs are looking for a document shepherd for this document. > If you're interested, please contact the chairs. The document authors can not be the shepherd. > > thanks, > > - -- > Antoin Verschuren > > Tweevoren 6, 5672 SB Nuenen, NL > M: +31 6 37682392 > xmpp:antoinverschuren@gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EppExt mailing list > EppExt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext > From nobody Wed Nov 4 12:19:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84CA61B340C for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 12:19:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u0MBoyBP-W39 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 12:19:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qg0-f100.google.com (mail-qg0-f100.google.com [209.85.192.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6BD1E1B33F7 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 12:19:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by qgeo38 with SMTP id o38so3784756qge.2 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 12:19:49 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:thread-topic:thread-index :date:message-id:references:in-reply-to:accept-language :content-language:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version; bh=CEdJoC+ObwdxXH8SuWTOu14RURmUZYXlaidtpOFpIo0=; b=Ck+jbZSjO6jf1aMqcZlVEaa+kRBc1iTDOyuwCROnHSMdBcbNPxoWBbHI55beoKXxFW UVSxm4ecS58sWDkFXzPPn4A8Ol9D96kzXEbFbGZCZgVJrC52S9Fa+l2Ijr2aVN0cMCkM kd2B2SaisyOso2QATi12IDWoeiBmcXqCkG1JPsydSXz+5gNPuzBf67J0VP7WNJYmD1Sm Nl02bX03qJxu8cUdhqI7O2e/msELZRMKQ6ek4d6EomsGvBuZStv0G0ktMjoePltVyZyf 46xEWHxwAvoN5mFZNLa5So8N6QuRvz9YIFXgSyGj0PkUuZ8x0heJ9ZxF3CQvupPIPe2n gxSg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkxtUzPlRlr1W3/wOqpwSy/X8ppiFEdsLG/UP4z8xy7BZp/toR3Y5Nu7OcfFOCDpJaiGPn6FUEH1D0m68CKwjtOqYvniQ== X-Received: by 10.140.89.51 with SMTP id u48mr3608336qgd.61.1446668389460; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 12:19:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from brn1lxmailout02.verisign.com (brn1lxmailout02.verisign.com. [72.13.63.42]) by smtp-relay.gmail.com with ESMTPS id e7sm348394qkj.7.2015.11.04.12.19.49 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Nov 2015 12:19:49 -0800 (PST) X-Relaying-Domain: verisign.com Received: from brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexcas01 [10.173.152.205]) by brn1lxmailout02.verisign.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tA4KJmHt019699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Nov 2015 15:19:48 -0500 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 15:19:47 -0500 From: "Gould, James" To: James Galvin Thread-Topic: [eppext] Working Group Last call for draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase Thread-Index: AQHRFzw+gcZCc6Iynkacb92U56WUiJ6MTdQf Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:19:47 +0000 Message-ID: <655334FD-E69C-4949-9B39-E12AA7EFA70B@verisign.com> References: , <563A6547.40308@elistx.com> In-Reply-To: <563A6547.40308@elistx.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Rik Ribbers , Antoin Verschuren , "eppext@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eppext] Working Group Last call for draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 20:19:52 -0000 Yes, this is stealing my thunder from the meeting, but I agree that they ne= ed to be moved up together. I would actually move these two as well as the= smd draft up together. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 4, 2015, at 3:06 PM, James Galvin wrote: >=20 > This issue raised by Rik Ribbers has not been addressed by the working gr= oup. Would the authors, and any one from the working group please comment?= Rik's suggestion seems reasonable to me but I would like to see confirmat= ion from the authors. >=20 > With this suggestion address this document is ready to move forward. Howe= ver, it is dependent on draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-func-spec/, so I'd like to h= old it in the working group and submit these two documents together. >=20 > In addition to the change suggested above, we need a document shepherd to= move this forward. Would anyone like to volunteer? >=20 > Jim >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 7/21/15 10:28 AM, Rik Ribbers wrote: >> All, >>=20 >> I finished the review. There is one issue that I raised earlier that (im= ho) needs some more clarification in the document. >>=20 >> See http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eppext/current/msg00585.html >>=20 >> We have interpreted section 2.3 different then the other implementers wi= th respect to the normal or vanilla (as Alexander suggested) domain check. >>=20 >> Having fully re-read the draft I am not sure if this issue should be add= ressed here or in the lozano functional specification >> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lozano-tmch-func-spec/). However= the last is expired and not getting any attention. In this draft there are= several requirements concerning Domain Registration, there are no requirem= ents concerning Domain Availability. So if nothing is specified the vanilla= domain check can be used. >>=20 >> However section 2.3 suggest one MUST provide a launchphase...... so what= to do.... >>=20 >> My suggestion is to add a few wording (slightly different then my previo= us proposal): >>=20 >> ** old ** >> The element MUST be included by the client to define the = target launch phase of the command. >>=20 >> ** new ** >> The element MUST be included by the client to define the = target launch phase of the command when using this EPP extension. >>=20 >> Gr, >> Rik >>=20 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: EppExt [mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Antoin Versch= uren >> Sent: maandag 20 juli 2015 22:02 >> To: eppext@ietf.org >> Subject: [eppext] Working Group Last call for draft-ietf-eppext-launchph= ase >>=20 >> Greetings, >>=20 >> This is the starting of the WGLC on the Launch Phase Mapping for the Ext= ensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP). >> There was extensive discussion on the mailing list, an we believe the ou= tcome is incorporated in the document and is ready for WGLC. >> The current version of this document can be found here: >>=20 >> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase-05.txt >>=20 >> We'll have a 1,5 week period for comments, closing on Friday, 31 July 20= 15. >>=20 >> During last call the chairs are looking for a document shepherd for this= document. >> If you're interested, please contact the chairs. The document authors ca= n not be the shepherd. >>=20 >> thanks, >>=20 >> - -- >> Antoin Verschuren >>=20 >> Tweevoren 6, 5672 SB Nuenen, NL >> M: +31 6 37682392 >> xmpp:antoinverschuren@gmail.com >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> EppExt mailing list >> EppExt@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext >=20 > _______________________________________________ > EppExt mailing list > EppExt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext >=20 From nobody Wed Nov 4 12:29:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E381A0018 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 12:29:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KCZHhezpRP2P for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 12:29:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qg0-x22b.google.com (mail-qg0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87B141A0020 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 12:29:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by qgeo38 with SMTP id o38so50883423qge.0 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 12:29:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=elistx_com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EXxeOWHGuFb0vXJqBrUWLiZV7shCPzH8EZtKZE8GwOk=; b=b0g7fClcHwBqHZjbNhCulI0LqBWP1wBOXh+b2jPdNQLUIypS8umOc/St6JvrIb0Cme 2cIex+Hp48xVZBWpgJqhr/x0qJck7c7ipZXM49b8Wes7r1gV1c2FNrwLN8mi8kkAJojY L6/MhVU9Cx/TdPf1z+h0AoeNip9PYzXFUSfvZZMs9slNlhLjPkmRz9MGkHyllgxTzpCQ ibWKA1plNk1ggwljbBBiuFLooaAG40Zfmdl8HtE+tK3t/pkjs1tcLX/WeI+sgx6XC4rM cdfd60tBEgDyPJnfEI+QElicz4f9drJr0/tUpwgVG0JwHXWG35KYCJiZMvcavpH7g3O+ a57g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=EXxeOWHGuFb0vXJqBrUWLiZV7shCPzH8EZtKZE8GwOk=; b=JvlsgwUHLYc1zV99GCoEa39hhwCgqvSgfmNAm9hgWfQZooj6UAN43vKKBk8/a/+E3e BkAS1YB28xfETjZZ9fmX4Wtbf9VBxGvuFPn/M/u2KVxL+JRB67RsoIKGo9s9U68wLrHU qjDI1wOOThUZAhlXfZqaKFNJrB4pHqpoasBHCqZn1LVkIAQywB0/a0y9sw+FIVFe5EC6 ghzY0pSsPgildK7iJGO93uIjfIs7qVdkDxAQsVfSTs+QEHFdD+Shgwm6k4cQMJeg1HNl 45kUlf5WIon/fY2diZJzdUj6Y6MWTH6wDzGF1BE3le0XaU+Z6izrvTmsQJE13hAoOGp4 WEzw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkSXSLPGc4+1XMX4+HQezYPDrN5uE+pDaRBbd1F+xsy39k+CtnJOHl0EvLGw4o0tYZOeIea X-Received: by 10.140.91.108 with SMTP id y99mr3705377qgd.68.1446668985714; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 12:29:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from jgalvin-lt.local (c-73-133-108-218.hsd1.md.comcast.net. [73.133.108.218]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id a64sm754446qka.47.2015.11.04.12.29.44 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Nov 2015 12:29:44 -0800 (PST) To: "Gould, James" References: <563A6547.40308@elistx.com> <655334FD-E69C-4949-9B39-E12AA7EFA70B@verisign.com> From: James Galvin Message-ID: <563A6AD8.6050309@elistx.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 15:30:16 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <655334FD-E69C-4949-9B39-E12AA7EFA70B@verisign.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: Rik Ribbers , Antoin Verschuren , "eppext@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eppext] Working Group Last call for draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 20:29:48 -0000 The draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd draft is in "AD evaluation" state, i.e., it has already been submitted. Barry will comment on the details of its status during the meeting. What is your response to Rik's suggested change? Thanks, Jim On 11/4/15 3:19 PM, Gould, James wrote: > Yes, this is stealing my thunder from the meeting, but I agree that they need to be moved up together. I would actually move these two as well as the smd draft up together. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 4, 2015, at 3:06 PM, James Galvin wrote: >> >> This issue raised by Rik Ribbers has not been addressed by the working group. Would the authors, and any one from the working group please comment? Rik's suggestion seems reasonable to me but I would like to see confirmation from the authors. >> >> With this suggestion address this document is ready to move forward. However, it is dependent on draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-func-spec/, so I'd like to hold it in the working group and submit these two documents together. >> >> In addition to the change suggested above, we need a document shepherd to move this forward. Would anyone like to volunteer? >> >> Jim >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 7/21/15 10:28 AM, Rik Ribbers wrote: >>> All, >>> >>> I finished the review. There is one issue that I raised earlier that (imho) needs some more clarification in the document. >>> >>> See http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eppext/current/msg00585.html >>> >>> We have interpreted section 2.3 different then the other implementers with respect to the normal or vanilla (as Alexander suggested) domain check. >>> >>> Having fully re-read the draft I am not sure if this issue should be addressed here or in the lozano functional specification >>> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lozano-tmch-func-spec/). However the last is expired and not getting any attention. In this draft there are several requirements concerning Domain Registration, there are no requirements concerning Domain Availability. So if nothing is specified the vanilla domain check can be used. >>> >>> However section 2.3 suggest one MUST provide a launchphase...... so what to do.... >>> >>> My suggestion is to add a few wording (slightly different then my previous proposal): >>> >>> ** old ** >>> The element MUST be included by the client to define the target launch phase of the command. >>> >>> ** new ** >>> The element MUST be included by the client to define the target launch phase of the command when using this EPP extension. >>> >>> Gr, >>> Rik >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: EppExt [mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Antoin Verschuren >>> Sent: maandag 20 juli 2015 22:02 >>> To: eppext@ietf.org >>> Subject: [eppext] Working Group Last call for draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase >>> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> This is the starting of the WGLC on the Launch Phase Mapping for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP). >>> There was extensive discussion on the mailing list, an we believe the outcome is incorporated in the document and is ready for WGLC. >>> The current version of this document can be found here: >>> >>> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase-05.txt >>> >>> We'll have a 1,5 week period for comments, closing on Friday, 31 July 2015. >>> >>> During last call the chairs are looking for a document shepherd for this document. >>> If you're interested, please contact the chairs. The document authors can not be the shepherd. >>> >>> thanks, >>> >>> - -- >>> Antoin Verschuren >>> >>> Tweevoren 6, 5672 SB Nuenen, NL >>> M: +31 6 37682392 >>> xmpp:antoinverschuren@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> EppExt mailing list >>> EppExt@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext >> >> _______________________________________________ >> EppExt mailing list >> EppExt@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext >> > From nobody Wed Nov 4 13:00:46 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684611A6FAC for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 13:00:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TmFvrW_zNPi2 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 13:00:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qk0-x229.google.com (mail-qk0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3138C1A6F82 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 13:00:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by qkcl124 with SMTP id l124so25107909qkc.3 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 13:00:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=elistx_com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3bpGpwY2C83J3/42vFYMcyupFP7JE4uzgZP5WpzZw60=; b=qmUft8w2tXvfiSU5abPn/7YmQoQdMufDfhg7Ewwxl1HfT88ZijoxjdyoTbX2lO70AN yMhI27g7hwTXa1Ym6Fcdxi9h0jrMhPzK6yk6Ra358xiMUlQlDabLkLI5+7bvloI1ufIk M5ISfjFKCloeml/RLe4ffh38fgD8+y6cV4PI1oTu9Y+VviTM8YggiS234AAwkX3yrhiB 5LndqTP20MIMtR8hKqHZ4e31tbIPx0QW6tlGV1Gj/ROlevZAwQ5EKd6030laogDYCtgW vGDZsxhnWToYH2epCFjYJbsgtY4FIIzO4wV6b6fy6WRnrZLdz42JdmFvGnReWrxsF2DH D/kw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3bpGpwY2C83J3/42vFYMcyupFP7JE4uzgZP5WpzZw60=; b=Dja5SLrjbrlhErMggJ5TPBmEGSJ5QY8xE57hwC4YqTRrs3rfXea2cZYfrDNMdezrvw 72LxdKNbys5uo4KvmxL+uINmesS5uHOewFkIugRHf3bRd3r+NSK2nvGSrtBqCFKqGo35 EATOoXNdSgwcmSkvGD3z3tzKcYpRpJuup7F4JHg5hUYa4tejOAmu8c2NyDVSrp3/jQek nZ1CvUfr01Wx6w5N+7D8NjUYwIR0qdtr/hxxTVcJbkJzXVPnv9hUKEWYG3vIybRZ4vPd 9S4EhyGvjIbhcnHRE2EcbURpavlvMWkIVXK8j16pikcJ+NBcxxt/T7LTTiyLB+adL2VC XZsA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk2wPU6Hhq/2qxO47vbfTpvjyU0W0TYjSoNuQRIyh40pd7pJCL8oFW5T726n5IY0beq1hHn X-Received: by 10.55.78.195 with SMTP id c186mr3832673qkb.41.1446670843273; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 13:00:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from jgalvin-lt.local (c-73-133-108-218.hsd1.md.comcast.net. [73.133.108.218]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id m23sm785969qkh.46.2015.11.04.13.00.42 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Nov 2015 13:00:42 -0800 (PST) To: eppext From: James Galvin Message-ID: <563A7219.1050605@elistx.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:01:13 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [eppext] what to do about IDN tables X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 21:00:45 -0000 A question that will be asked in the working group meeting today is what to do about IDN tables? There is a working group document that has recently expired: draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap/ This document is languishing because Francisco has not gotten the required implementation statements yet. We can certainly revive it but we may need to consider moving forward with incomplete implementation reports. In addition, there were two related individual submissions that have also recently expired: draft-gould-idn-table/ draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext/ These three documents are not all the same but they are related. The question is how to move forward. Are Gould and Wilcox withdrawing their documents? Are they going to seek publication in the EPP Extensions Registry? If they want to seek being adopted by the working group then we will need to address the apparent relationship with the existing working group document. Comments and suggestions are welcome. 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[73.133.108.218]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id j94sm829318qge.27.2015.11.04.13.42.25 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Nov 2015 13:42:25 -0800 (PST) To: "Gould, James" References: <563A7219.1050605@elistx.com> <973C1210-541C-46DC-8754-D06B1799DC4A@verisign.com> From: James Galvin Message-ID: <563A7BE1.4010805@elistx.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:42:57 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <973C1210-541C-46DC-8754-D06B1799DC4A@verisign.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: eppext Subject: Re: [eppext] what to do about IDN tables X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 21:42:29 -0000 Thanks for bring this summary forward. We just need to consider what to do with respect to the Wilcox document. Jim On 11/4/15 4:23 PM, Gould, James wrote: > Jim, > > I will be speaking to draft-gould-idn-table at meeting. I haven’t > reviewed draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext, so I’m unsure of the overlap with > draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap and draft-gould-idn-table. The authors of > draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap and I created draft-gould-idn-table to address > one key item missing from draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap which was how to > identify the valid set of table identifiers to pass using > draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap for an IDN domain name. We discussed the issue > on the list over a period of time, where I was proposing to use language > instead of a table identifier. We agreed to stick with the table > identifier, but we needed a reliable way to determine the table > identifiers specific to the server, which is addressed with > draft-gould-idn-table. Both draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap and > draft-gould-idn-table have been implemented in the Verisign EPP SDK that > includes a client and server implementation. Ideally > draft-gould-idn-table and draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap would move up > together, but if not draft-gould-idn-table should be included in the > next set of working group documents. > > Let me know if you have any additional questions. > > Thanks, > > — > > > JG > > > > > *James Gould > *Distinguished Engineer > jgould@Verisign.com > > 703-948-3271 > 12061 Bluemont Way > Reston, VA 20190 > > VerisignInc.com > >> On Nov 4, 2015, at 4:01 PM, James Galvin > > wrote: >> >> A question that will be asked in the working group meeting today is >> what to do about IDN tables? >> >> There is a working group document that has recently expired: >> >> draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap/ >> >> This document is languishing because Francisco has not gotten the >> required implementation statements yet. We can certainly revive it >> but we may need to consider moving forward with incomplete >> implementation reports. >> >> In addition, there were two related individual submissions that have >> also recently expired: >> >> draft-gould-idn-table/ >> draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext/ >> >> These three documents are not all the same but they are related. The >> question is how to move forward. >> >> Are Gould and Wilcox withdrawing their documents? Are they going to >> seek publication in the EPP Extensions Registry? >> >> If they want to seek being adopted by the working group then we will >> need to address the apparent relationship with the existing working >> group document. >> >> Comments and suggestions are welcome. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> EppExt mailing list >> EppExt@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext > From nobody Wed Nov 4 13:56:13 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D9541B33F7 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 13:56:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jqDFfpFulvm8 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 13:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi0-f99.google.com (mail-oi0-f99.google.com [209.85.218.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB86B1A8A39 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 13:56:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by oige129 with SMTP id e129so3954981oig.2 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 13:56:07 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:thread-topic:thread-index :date:message-id:references:in-reply-to:accept-language :content-language:content-type:mime-version; bh=W2ShDLIASydeTDgzJ0Kf6qjz+GUiDEhnKRhLCN/ZKfQ=; b=StzEX6iPAhJMP2uVikemgEhDaWTaHNZ+kBWGC/5LLh5CyVeRdgeCRqCh+spRKdYl4X NlnIklEIaT+vlu/RaH+Qq31VvpHQgy8QMjl3iih1IHacsO6iRfwJRTUDu2hlvzCPFfoN cOoKse8Ps3ErFGD7DGjHbL2y/kV0goVlChcZG/B5pi5Uqy4438xFIAZk/3NhJcWhqveo ybMv0Dlgfj21WrwmnPw1wPj2wZhOcWjIoNhJAtLgXwLtY2dpBnDU+m8sJwUAObd4x5bD NdbHKpd/YZVcDLicvVc+rJmvfg24E85oYkfzUw0qzvLysI2TSB3QyPoE3iTqsE10iTYd Tunw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlKEJZoFmEibY+8+V3b6++4Z+kHd1/VWiOnZsK6WqW96u+nNcWNJMbpAnvVQMA2CsZkVcRccM68pWKkL/yaE4tnT3UsKA== X-Received: by 10.140.19.136 with SMTP id 8mr4141701qgh.72.1446674167127; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 13:56:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from brn1lxmailout01.verisign.com (brn1lxmailout01.verisign.com. 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The specification is now object-agnostic, but works with RFC5731 [RFC5731] domains by default. 2. Renamed the element to . Added the "objURI" attribute. 3. Removed the default value for the "refundable" attribute of elements, and added text about how clients should handle such cases. Added similar text to the documentation of the "grace-period" attribute. 4. Removed references to the defunct command syntax. 5. "MUST" requirements regarding documentation have been changed to "must". 6. Created separate "Correlation between Refundability and Grace Periods" section describing how the "refundable" and "grace- period" attributes work together. Feedback welcome as always! -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 14:52:30 -0800 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Gavin Brown , Jothan Frakes A new version of I-D, draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt has been successfully submitted by Gavin Brown and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-brown-epp-fees Revision: 06 Title: Registry Fee Extension for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) Document date: 2015-11-04 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 36 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brown-epp-fees/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brown-epp-fees-06 Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-brown-epp-fees-= 06 Abstract: This document describes an Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) extension mapping for registry fees. 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[73.133.108.218]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 92sm1012621qgi.40.2015.11.04.16.49.11 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Nov 2015 16:49:11 -0800 (PST) To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" , "Gould, James" References: <563A7219.1050605@elistx.com> <973C1210-541C-46DC-8754-D06B1799DC4A@verisign.com> <563A7BE1.4010805@elistx.com> <545D0511-1497-4767-B66E-4E03D0A17781@verisign.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F4A0D9EEA@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> From: James Galvin Message-ID: <563AA7A7.2090001@elistx.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 19:49:43 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F4A0D9EEA@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: eppext Subject: Re: [eppext] what to do about IDN tables X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 00:49:16 -0000 Thanks for this Scott. My interpretation of this for the working group, particularly since the draft is currently expired, is that the authors of the other documents could consider if they provide the features documented in the Wilcox draft and, if not, consider if they could incorporate them. However, they are under no obligation and the Wilcox document does not need to be a working group document. Do folks agree? Jim On 11/4/15 7:17 PM, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: > Jack will be in the room for a few minutes at the beginning of the > session. He said this in email: > > “The objective of the draft is to be informative, to represent CIRA’s > implementation, and to be used as a reference for/and we’re going to > > seek publication in the EPP Extensions Registry. > > I don’t see any overlap with any other draft because it reflects > specially our implementation.†> > Scott > > *From:*Hollenbeck, Scott > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2015 6:03 PM > *To:* Gould, James; James Galvin > *Cc:* eppext > *Subject:* RE: [eppext] what to do about IDN tables > > I know Jacques Latour is here. I’ll ask him. > > Scott > > *From:*EppExt [mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Gould, James > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2015 4:56 PM > *To:* James Galvin > *Cc:* eppext > *Subject:* Re: [eppext] what to do about IDN tables > > Can anyone speak to draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext at the meeting? > > — > > JG > > > > > *James Gould > *Distinguished Engineer > jgould@Verisign.com > > 703-948-3271 > 12061 Bluemont Way > Reston, VA 20190 > > VerisignInc.com > > On Nov 4, 2015, at 4:42 PM, James Galvin > wrote: > > Thanks for bring this summary forward. > > We just need to consider what to do with respect to the Wilcox document. > > Jim > > > > On 11/4/15 4:23 PM, Gould, James wrote: > > Jim, > > I will be speaking to draft-gould-idn-table at meeting. I haven’t > reviewed draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext, so I’m unsure of the overlap with > draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap and draft-gould-idn-table. The authors of > draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap and I created draft-gould-idn-table to address > one key item missing from draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap which was how to > identify the valid set of table identifiers to pass using > draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap for an IDN domain name. We discussed the issue > on the list over a period of time, where I was proposing to use language > instead of a table identifier. We agreed to stick with the table > identifier, but we needed a reliable way to determine the table > identifiers specific to the server, which is addressed with > draft-gould-idn-table. Both draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap and > draft-gould-idn-table have been implemented in the Verisign EPP SDK that > includes a client and server implementation. Ideally > draft-gould-idn-table and draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap would move up > together, but if not draft-gould-idn-table should be included in the > next set of working group documents. > > Let me know if you have any additional questions. > > Thanks, > > — > > > JG > > > > > *James Gould > *Distinguished Engineer > jgould@Verisign.com > > 703-948-3271 > 12061 Bluemont Way > Reston, VA 20190 > > VerisignInc.com > > On Nov 4, 2015, at 4:01 PM, James Galvin >> wrote: > > A question that will be asked in the working group meeting today is > what to do about IDN tables? > > There is a working group document that has recently expired: > > draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap/ > > This document is languishing because Francisco has not gotten the > required implementation statements yet. We can certainly revive it > but we may need to consider moving forward with incomplete > implementation reports. > > In addition, there were two related individual submissions that have > also recently expired: > > draft-gould-idn-table/ > draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext/ > > These three documents are not all the same but they are related. The > question is how to move forward. > > Are Gould and Wilcox withdrawing their documents? Are they going to > seek publication in the EPP Extensions Registry? > > If they want to seek being adopted by the working group then we will > need to address the apparent relationship with the existing working > group document. > > Comments and suggestions are welcome. > > Thanks, > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > EppExt mailing list > EppExt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext > From nobody Wed Nov 4 16:55:27 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 179F01A03A1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:55:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.912 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.912 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=unavailable Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c4NeQ-OAtZqQ for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:55:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from shaktot.patoche.org (shaktot.patoche.org [212.85.152.86]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D858A1B350B for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:46:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from shaktot.patoche.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by shaktot.patoche.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id tA50kki8027097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 5 Nov 2015 01:46:46 +0100 Received: (from patrick@localhost) by shaktot.patoche.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id tA50kkHR027096; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 01:46:46 +0100 Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 01:46:44 +0100 From: Patrick Mevzek To: "Gould, James" Message-ID: <20151105004644.GA11762@home.patoche.org> References: <563A7219.1050605@elistx.com> <973C1210-541C-46DC-8754-D06B1799DC4A@verisign.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <973C1210-541C-46DC-8754-D06B1799DC4A@verisign.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Scanned-By: shaktot_dot_patoche_dot_org on 212.85.152.86 Archived-At: Cc: eppext , James Galvin Subject: Re: [eppext] what to do about IDN tables X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 00:55:27 -0000 Gould, James 2015-11-04 22:25 > I will be speaking to draft-gould-idn-table at meeting. > I haven’t reviewed draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext, so I’m unsure of the overlap with draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap and draft-gould-idn-table. I've implemented draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext and plan to implement draft-gould-idn-table which I have read already. There is not so much overlap between them. First, the terminology is not the same, as I've outlined in the past here (repertoire vs table). It would maybe be a good idea if the WG can come to some terminology guidelines for IDNs so that at least various extensions are using the same words. The CIRA extension is more closely related to the problem of variants, and how one domain can block registration of another, so that one is able to query the server for one domain and having back the list of variants. I believe both extensions can advance forward independently from each other. But, if needed, draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext could use draft-gould-idn-table as a terminology basis. 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[73.133.108.218]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id z130sm1044451qkz.7.2015.11.04.17.09.02 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Nov 2015 17:09:03 -0800 (PST) To: eppext From: James Galvin Message-ID: <563AAC4F.6050907@elistx.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:09:35 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030002030306040401020002" Archived-At: Subject: [eppext] final charter description X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 01:09:06 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030002030306040401020002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Included in this message is the final charter description that has been previously agreed to by this working group. What is missing are the milestones. A follow up message will propose a draft set of milestones for discussion in the working group meeting (and here on the list of course). I'm separating these parts so we focus discussion. 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Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:21:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lMyuC6Qg8eyw for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:21:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0838F1B35A1 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:21:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from [133.93.37.87] (dhcp-37-87.meeting.ietf94.jp [133.93.37.87]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D7D95403A2; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:21:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc Blanchet" To: "James Galvin" Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 10:21:31 +0900 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <563AAC4F.6050907@elistx.com> References: <563AAC4F.6050907@elistx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MailMate_A36F7DF2-9DD3-454A-BA2E-BBB12AA5F9CD_=" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.2r5141) Archived-At: Cc: eppext Subject: Re: [eppext] final charter description X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 01:21:37 -0000 --=_MailMate_A36F7DF2-9DD3-454A-BA2E-BBB12AA5F9CD_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit few comments on the proposed charter: Proposed Charter Registration Protocols Extensions (REGEXT) Working Group The Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP, Standard 69) is the standard domain name provisioning protocol for top-level domain name registries, and the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) requires all new generic top-level domain registries to implement EPP. To avoid many separate EPP extensions that provide the same functions, it's important to coordinate and standardize EPP extensions. I would be more happy to not specifically talk about ICANN requirements for gTLD, but more in general for any registries, including cctlds. I would just remove « and the Internet Corporation … to implement EPP ». The EPP Extensions (EPPEXT) working group completed its first goal of creating an IANA registry of EPP extensions. The registration process of the registry is documented in RFC7451. Extensions may be registered for informational purposes as long as there is a published specification that has been reviewed by a designated expert. The Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP, RFCs 7480-7484) is the proposed standard for retrieving registration metadata from both domain name and Regional Internet Registries. Some registries are using it now and many more are expected as ICANN moves towards requiring it of generic top-level domain registries. same comment here. More over, timing data such as « using it now » does not survive well over time. Suggested change is to remove the last sentence. To ensure interoperable implementations it's important to coordinate and standardize extensions and profiles to be used by registries. Extensions in both cases that seek the status of Internet standard are subject to more thorough review and open discussion within the IETF. In addition, commonality may be discovered in related extensions, especially EPP extensions listed on the EPP extension registry, for which it would makes sense to merge them into a single standard extension everybody agrees on. The REGEXT working group is the home of the coordination effort for standards track extensions. The selection of extensions for standards track shall incorporate the following guidelines. 1. Proprietary documented extensions and individual submissions of informational or experimental EPP extensions will follow the expert review process as described in RFC7451 for inclusion in the EPP extensions registry. These documents will not be part of the REGEXT working group work or milestones. The working group may discuss or advise on these documents. 2. Extensions that seek standards track status can be suggested for WG adoption. If accepted by the working group then the development of the standard may proceed. 3. The working group will exist as long as there is an extension seeking standards track status. When there are no more proposals for a standards track extension the working group will either close or go dormant according to IETF rules. The mailing list will remain open and available for the use of the expert review process as described in RFC7451. The working group will focus initially on the backlog of EPP extensions. The last paragraphs are really EPP focused. We already know that they are some RDAP extensions that need to be standardized. I think the text should reflect that. On 5 Nov 2015, at 10:09, James Galvin wrote: > Included in this message is the final charter description that has > been previously agreed to by this working group. > > What is missing are the milestones. A follow up message will propose > a draft set of milestones for discussion in the working group meeting > (and here on the list of course). > > I'm separating these parts so we focus discussion. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > EppExt mailing list > EppExt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext --=_MailMate_A36F7DF2-9DD3-454A-BA2E-BBB12AA5F9CD_= Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

few comments on the proposed charter:

Proposed Charter
Registration Protocols Extensions (REGEXT) Working Group

The Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP, Standard 69) i= s the
standard domain name provisioning protocol for top-level domain name
registries, and the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and
Numbers (ICANN) requires all new generic top-level domain registries
to implement EPP. To avoid many separate EPP extensions that provide
= the same functions, it's important to coordinate and standardize EPP
extensions.

<MB>I would be more happy to not specifically talk = about ICANN requirements for gTLD, but more in general for any registries= , including cctlds. I would just remove =C2=AB=C2=A0and the Internet Cor= poration =E2=80=A6 to implement EPP=C2=A0=C2=BB.
</MB>

The EPP Extensions (EPPEXT) working group completed its f= irst goal of
creating an IANA registry of EPP extensions. The registration process of the registry is documented in RFC7451. Extensions may be
registered for informational purposes as long as there is a published
= specification that has been reviewed by a designated expert.

The Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP, RFCs 7480-74= 84) is the
proposed standard for retrieving registration metadata from both
domain name and Regional Internet Registries. Some registries are
using it now and many more are expected as ICANN moves towards
requiring it of generic top-level domain registries.

<MB>same comment here. More over, timing data such= as =C2=AB=C2=A0using it now=C2=A0=C2=BB does not survive well over time.= Suggested change is to remove the last sentence.
</MB>

To ensure
interoperable implementations it's important to coordinate and
standardize extensions and profiles to be used by registries.

Extensions in both cases that seek the status of Internet= standard are
subject to more thorough review and open discussion within the IETF.

In addition, commonality may be discovered in related ext= ensions,
especially EPP extensions listed on the EPP extension registry, for
which it would makes sense to merge them into a single standard
extension everybody agrees on.

The REGEXT working group is the home of the coordination = effort for
standards track extensions. The selection of extensions for standards track shall incorporate the following guidelines.

  1. Proprietary documented extensions and indiv= idual submissions of
    informational or experimental EPP extensions will follow the expert
    review process as described in RFC7451 for inclusion in the EPP
    extensions registry. These documents will not be part of the REGEXT
    working group work or milestones. The working group may discuss or
    advise on these documents.

  2. Extensions that seek standards track status= can be suggested for WG
    adoption. If accepted by the working group then the development of
    the standard may proceed.

  3. The working group will exist as long as the= re is an extension
    seeking standards track status. When there are no more proposals
    for a standards track extension the working group will either close or go dormant according to IETF rules. The mailing list will remain open and available for the use of the expert review process as described in RFC7451.

The working group will focus initially on the backlog of = EPP extensions.

<MB>The last paragraphs are really EPP focused. We = already know that they are some RDAP extensions that need to be standardi= zed. I think the text should reflect that.
</MB>

On 5 Nov 2015, at 10:09, James Galvin wrote:

Included in this message is the final charter description= that has been previously agreed to by this working group.

What is missing are the milestones. A follow up message = will propose a draft set of milestones for discussion in the working grou= p meeting (and here on the list of course).

I'm separating these parts so we focus discussion.

Jim

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--=_MailMate_A36F7DF2-9DD3-454A-BA2E-BBB12AA5F9CD_=-- From nobody Wed Nov 4 17:28:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D31D1B3600 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:28:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PfLuv9RNikzZ for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:28:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A6FB1B35FE for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:28:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [133.93.37.87] (dhcp-37-87.meeting.ietf94.jp [133.93.37.87]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 64CE5403A2; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:28:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc Blanchet" To: "James Galvin" Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 10:28:43 +0900 Message-ID: <1E948341-BA56-498F-8AF9-6382856B8265@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: References: <563AAC4F.6050907@elistx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MailMate_01109772-5216-4903-91C2-2D81973BBD8B_=" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.2r5141) Archived-At: Cc: eppext Subject: Re: [eppext] final charter description X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 01:28:49 -0000 --=_MailMate_01109772-5216-4903-91C2-2D81973BBD8B_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit have another comment about charter: should topics like this (draft-latour-dnsoperator-to-rrr-protocol-00) be in scope of the new wg? if yes, then we may want to make it so. Marc. On 5 Nov 2015, at 10:21, Marc Blanchet wrote: > few comments on the proposed charter: > > Proposed Charter > Registration Protocols Extensions (REGEXT) Working Group > > The Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP, Standard 69) is the > standard domain name provisioning protocol for top-level domain name > registries, and the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and > Numbers (ICANN) requires all new generic top-level domain registries > to implement EPP. To avoid many separate EPP extensions that provide > the same functions, it's important to coordinate and standardize EPP > extensions. > > I would be more happy to not specifically talk about ICANN > requirements for gTLD, but more in general for any registries, > including cctlds. I would just remove « and the Internet > Corporation … to implement EPP ». > > > The EPP Extensions (EPPEXT) working group completed its first goal of > creating an IANA registry of EPP extensions. The registration process > of the registry is documented in RFC7451. Extensions may be > registered for informational purposes as long as there is a published > specification that has been reviewed by a designated expert. > > The Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP, RFCs 7480-7484) is the > proposed standard for retrieving registration metadata from both > domain name and Regional Internet Registries. Some registries are > using it now and many more are expected as ICANN moves towards > requiring it of generic top-level domain registries. > > same comment here. More over, timing data such as « using it > now » does not survive well over time. Suggested change is to remove > the last sentence. > > > To ensure > interoperable implementations it's important to coordinate and > standardize extensions and profiles to be used by registries. > > Extensions in both cases that seek the status of Internet standard are > subject to more thorough review and open discussion within the IETF. > > In addition, commonality may be discovered in related extensions, > especially EPP extensions listed on the EPP extension registry, for > which it would makes sense to merge them into a single standard > extension everybody agrees on. > > The REGEXT working group is the home of the coordination effort for > standards track extensions. The selection of extensions for standards > track shall incorporate the following guidelines. > > 1. Proprietary documented extensions and individual submissions of > informational or experimental EPP extensions will follow the expert > review process as described in RFC7451 for inclusion in the EPP > extensions registry. These documents will not be part of the REGEXT > working group work or milestones. The working group may discuss or > advise on these documents. > > 2. Extensions that seek standards track status can be suggested for WG > adoption. If accepted by the working group then the development of > the standard may proceed. > > 3. The working group will exist as long as there is an extension > seeking standards track status. When there are no more proposals > for a standards track extension the working group will either close or > go dormant according to IETF rules. The mailing list will remain open > and available for the use of the expert review process as described in > RFC7451. > > The working group will focus initially on the backlog of EPP > extensions. > > The last paragraphs are really EPP focused. We already know that > they are some RDAP extensions that need to be standardized. I think > the text should reflect that. > > > > > On 5 Nov 2015, at 10:09, James Galvin wrote: > >> Included in this message is the final charter description that has >> been previously agreed to by this working group. >> >> What is missing are the milestones. A follow up message will propose >> a draft set of milestones for discussion in the working group meeting >> (and here on the list of course). >> >> I'm separating these parts so we focus discussion. >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> EppExt mailing list >> EppExt@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext > _______________________________________________ > EppExt mailing list > EppExt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext --=_MailMate_01109772-5216-4903-91C2-2D81973BBD8B_= Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

have another comment about charter: should topics like th= is (draft-latour-dnsoperator-to-rrr-protocol-00) be in scope of the new w= g? if yes, then we may want to make it so.

Marc.

On 5 Nov 2015, at 10:21, Marc Blanchet wrote:

few comments on the proposed charter:

Proposed Charter
Registration Protocols Extensions (REGEXT) Working Group

The Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP, Standard 69) i= s the
standard domain name provisioning protocol for top-level domain name
registries, and the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and
Numbers (ICANN) requires all new generic top-level domain registries
to implement EPP. To avoid many separate EPP extensions that provide
= the same functions, it's important to coordinate and standardize EPP
extensions.

<MB>I would be more happy to not specifically talk = about ICANN requirements for gTLD, but more in general for any registries= , including cctlds. I would just remove =C2=AB=C2=A0and the Internet Cor= poration =E2=80=A6 to implement EPP=C2=A0=C2=BB.
</MB>

The EPP Extensions (EPPEXT) working group completed its f= irst goal of
creating an IANA registry of EPP extensions. The registration process of the registry is documented in RFC7451. Extensions may be
registered for informational purposes as long as there is a published
= specification that has been reviewed by a designated expert.

The Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP, RFCs 7480-74= 84) is the
proposed standard for retrieving registration metadata from both
domain name and Regional Internet Registries. Some registries are
using it now and many more are expected as ICANN moves towards
requiring it of generic top-level domain registries.

<MB>same comment here. More over, timing data such= as =C2=AB=C2=A0using it now=C2=A0=C2=BB does not survive well over time.= Suggested change is to remove the last sentence.
</MB>

To ensure
interoperable implementations it's important to coordinate and
standardize extensions and profiles to be used by registries.

Extensions in both cases that seek the status of Internet= standard are
subject to more thorough review and open discussion within the IETF.

In addition, commonality may be discovered in related ext= ensions,
especially EPP extensions listed on the EPP extension registry, for
which it would makes sense to merge them into a single standard
extension everybody agrees on.

The REGEXT working group is the home of the coordination = effort for
standards track extensions. The selection of extensions for standards track shall incorporate the following guidelines.

  1. Proprietary documented extensions and indiv= idual submissions of
    informational or experimental EPP extensions will follow the expert
    review process as described in RFC7451 for inclusion in the EPP
    extensions registry. These documents will not be part of the REGEXT
    working group work or milestones. The working group may discuss or
    advise on these documents.

  2. Extensions that seek standards track status= can be suggested for WG
    adoption. If accepted by the working group then the development of
    the standard may proceed.

  3. The working group will exist as long as the= re is an extension
    seeking standards track status. When there are no more proposals
    for a standards track extension the working group will either close or go dormant according to IETF rules. The mailing list will remain open and available for the use of the expert review process as described in RFC7451.

The working group will focus initially on the backlog of = EPP extensions.

<MB>The last paragraphs are really EPP focused. We = already know that they are some RDAP extensions that need to be standardi= zed. I think the text should reflect that.
</MB>

On 5 Nov 2015, at 10:09, James Galvin wrote:

Included in this message is the final charter description= that has been previously agreed to by this working group.

What is missing are the milestones. A follow up message = will propose a draft set of milestones for discussion in the working grou= p meeting (and here on the list of course).

I'm separating these parts so we focus discussion.

Jim

EppExt mailing list
EppExt@ietf.org
https://www.ietf= =2Eorg/mailman/listinfo/eppext

EppExt mailing list
EppExt@ietf.org
https://www.ietf= =2Eorg/mailman/listinfo/eppext

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[73.133.108.218]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id j8sm1054101qhc.17.2015.11.04.17.30.54 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Nov 2015 17:30:54 -0800 (PST) To: Marc Blanchet References: <563AAC4F.6050907@elistx.com> From: James Galvin Message-ID: <563AB16E.10207@elistx.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:31:26 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: eppext Subject: Re: [eppext] final charter description X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 01:31:01 -0000 A fresh look is always interesting. These changes seem really good to me and I'm inclined to include them as an editorial change. For Marc's last comment I would suggest changing "backlog of EPP extensions" to "backlog of EPP and RDAP extensions". Any objections? Jim On 11/4/15 8:21 PM, Marc Blanchet wrote: > few comments on the proposed charter: > > Proposed Charter > Registration Protocols Extensions (REGEXT) Working Group > > The Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP, Standard 69) is the > standard domain name provisioning protocol for top-level domain name > registries, and the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and > Numbers (ICANN) requires all new generic top-level domain registries > to implement EPP. To avoid many separate EPP extensions that provide > the same functions, it's important to coordinate and standardize EPP > extensions. > > I would be more happy to not specifically talk about ICANN > requirements for gTLD, but more in general for any registries, including > cctlds. I would just remove « and the Internet Corporation … to > implement EPP ». > > > The EPP Extensions (EPPEXT) working group completed its first goal of > creating an IANA registry of EPP extensions. The registration process > of the registry is documented in RFC7451. Extensions may be > registered for informational purposes as long as there is a published > specification that has been reviewed by a designated expert. > > The Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP, RFCs 7480-7484) is the > proposed standard for retrieving registration metadata from both > domain name and Regional Internet Registries. Some registries are > using it now and many more are expected as ICANN moves towards > requiring it of generic top-level domain registries. > > same comment here. More over, timing data such as « using it now » > does not survive well over time. Suggested change is to remove the last > sentence. > > > To ensure > interoperable implementations it's important to coordinate and > standardize extensions and profiles to be used by registries. > > Extensions in both cases that seek the status of Internet standard are > subject to more thorough review and open discussion within the IETF. > > In addition, commonality may be discovered in related extensions, > especially EPP extensions listed on the EPP extension registry, for > which it would makes sense to merge them into a single standard > extension everybody agrees on. > > The REGEXT working group is the home of the coordination effort for > standards track extensions. The selection of extensions for standards > track shall incorporate the following guidelines. > > 1. > > Proprietary documented extensions and individual submissions of > informational or experimental EPP extensions will follow the expert > review process as described in RFC7451 for inclusion in the EPP > extensions registry. These documents will not be part of the REGEXT > working group work or milestones. The working group may discuss or > advise on these documents. > > 2. > > Extensions that seek standards track status can be suggested for WG > adoption. If accepted by the working group then the development of > the standard may proceed. > > 3. > > The working group will exist as long as there is an extension > seeking standards track status. When there are no more proposals > for a standards track extension the working group will either close or > go dormant according to IETF rules. The mailing list will remain open > and available for the use of the expert review process as described in > RFC7451. > > The working group will focus initially on the backlog of EPP extensions. > > The last paragraphs are really EPP focused. We already know that > they are some RDAP extensions that need to be standardized. I think the > text should reflect that. > > > On 5 Nov 2015, at 10:09, James Galvin wrote: > > Included in this message is the final charter description that has > been previously agreed to by this working group. > > What is missing are the milestones. A follow up message will propose > a draft set of milestones for discussion in the working group > meeting (and here on the list of course). > > I'm separating these parts so we focus discussion. > > Jim > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > EppExt mailing list > EppExt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext > From nobody Wed Nov 4 17:39:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A2F11B361F for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:39:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.084 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.084 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G0Wyl1MjiUcj for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:39:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from arn2-kamx.sidn.nl (kamx.sidn.nl [IPv6:2a00:d78:0:147:94:198:152:69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE9501B3601 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:39:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; d=sidn.nl; s=sidn-nl; c=relaxed/relaxed; h=from:to:subject:thread-topic:thread-index:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to:accept-language:content-language:x-ms-has-attach:x-ms-tnef-correlator:x-mailer:x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader:x-originating-ip:content-type:mime-version; bh=8sFjCdKaAPUpBNPwP0SitHbYsfbyp+BtZnor7MYBGp4=; b=ugiVh16dfTqFziE3EDLmD8YBFiBzROTCyzCIwKddsxGdYd7wzzwNTCcsdtqieZmwnlUhxm28Qixis7VS1blkZKcMWIXlIzztFmJ3yTJJiGNPJmLBQ8vTPiyam0kRBnPrz/FlQ/72rvnA2t52e9Gz/zYW0jMOnfbNj77qeplsdf0yiYr3caT85bxKUB+q3q1R8ze8P/kiwDVAELVe/71Jetw/X03z3cyoRc2A45mb5RI9kGtKmj4HfKLdzD8lk0uR0NjfDYYS9QrnAksYsscWnvXm7KyQx1m7Zkbc0dswVIzRrgj7a6F+kwlB34SlfmQlFm8fcE1lKflMhX3kUE/Edg== Received: from ka-mbx02.SIDN.local ([192.168.2.178]) by arn2-kamx.sidn.nl with ESMTP id tA51d2YJ015213-tA51d2YL015213 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=CAFAIL); Thu, 5 Nov 2015 02:39:02 +0100 Received: from ka-mbx03.SIDN.local (192.168.2.179) by ka-mbx02.SIDN.local (192.168.2.178) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1076.9; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 02:39:05 +0100 Received: from ka-mbx03.SIDN.local ([fe80::d130:f9c0:9810:3ea3]) by ka-mbx03.SIDN.local ([fe80::d130:f9c0:9810:3ea3%13]) with mapi id 15.00.1076.000; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 02:39:05 +0100 From: Rik Ribbers To: James Galvin , "eppext@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [eppext] final charter description Thread-Index: AQHRF2aWVUmhXHsds02FMOb1uo3Vnp6MleiA Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 01:39:05 +0000 Message-ID: References: <563AAC4F.6050907@elistx.com> In-Reply-To: <563AAC4F.6050907@elistx.com> Accept-Language: nl-NL, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.168.4.168] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BE059E1D-07D2-4ACB-B25E-53A4C574A03F"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [eppext] final charter description X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 01:39:09 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_BE059E1D-07D2-4ACB-B25E-53A4C574A03F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jim, one remark about the last sentence: The working group will focus initially on the backlog of EPP extensions. I think that the list of documents and milestones will determine the = focus the WG. My suggestion is to remove the last line. Gr, RIk =09 > On 05 Nov 2015, at 10:09, James Galvin wrote: >=20 > Included in this message is the final charter description that has = been previously agreed to by this working group. >=20 > What is missing are the milestones. 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My suggestion is to remove the last line. +1 good idea. Marc. > > Gr, > RIk > >> On 05 Nov 2015, at 10:09, James Galvin wrote: >> >> Included in this message is the final charter description that has >> been previously agreed to by this working group. >> >> What is missing are the milestones. A follow up message will propose >> a draft set of milestones for discussion in the working group meeting >> (and here on the list of course). >> >> I'm separating these parts so we focus discussion. >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> EppExt mailing list >> EppExt@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext > > _______________________________________________ > EppExt mailing list > EppExt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext --=_MailMate_10C53F76-7C6E-422E-BED0-1197115F9FA8_= Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On 5 Nov 2015, at 10:39, Rik Ribbers wrote:

Jim,

one remark about the last sentence:

The working group will focus initially on the backlog of = EPP extensions.

I think that the list of documents and milestones will de= termine the focus the WG. My suggestion is to remove the last line.

+1 good idea.

Marc.

Gr,
RIk

On 05 Nov 2015, at 10:09, James Galvin galvin@elistx.com wrote:

Included in this message is the final charter description= that has been previously agreed to by this working group.

What is missing are the milestones. A follow up message = will propose a draft set of milestones for discussion in the working grou= p meeting (and here on the list of course).

I'm separating these parts so we focus discussion.

Jim

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[73.133.108.218]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id m23sm1066126qkh.46.2015.11.04.17.44.30 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Nov 2015 17:44:35 -0800 (PST) To: Marc Blanchet References: <563AAC4F.6050907@elistx.com> <1E948341-BA56-498F-8AF9-6382856B8265@viagenie.ca> From: James Galvin Message-ID: <563AB498.7050203@elistx.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:44:56 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1E948341-BA56-498F-8AF9-6382856B8265@viagenie.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: eppext Subject: Re: [eppext] final charter description X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 01:44:39 -0000 For right now, I would say no. This charter has been agreed to by the working group and is waiting for milestones to move forward. Changing the scope would change the charter and I would recommend against this. That's a process argument against. Separately, I think this topic is different enough from "extensions" that it should itself be separate from this working group. Just my opinion of course. Would like to hear from others. Jim On 11/4/15 8:28 PM, Marc Blanchet wrote: > have another comment about charter: should topics like this > (draft-latour-dnsoperator-to-rrr-protocol-00) be in scope of the new wg? > if yes, then we may want to make it so. > > Marc. > > On 5 Nov 2015, at 10:21, Marc Blanchet wrote: > > few comments on the proposed charter: > > Proposed Charter > Registration Protocols Extensions (REGEXT) Working Group > > The Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP, Standard 69) is the > standard domain name provisioning protocol for top-level domain name > registries, and the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and > Numbers (ICANN) requires all new generic top-level domain registries > to implement EPP. To avoid many separate EPP extensions that provide > the same functions, it's important to coordinate and standardize EPP > extensions. > > I would be more happy to not specifically talk about ICANN > requirements for gTLD, but more in general for any registries, > including cctlds. I would just remove « and the Internet Corporation > … to implement EPP ». > > > The EPP Extensions (EPPEXT) working group completed its first goal of > creating an IANA registry of EPP extensions. The registration process > of the registry is documented in RFC7451. Extensions may be > registered for informational purposes as long as there is a published > specification that has been reviewed by a designated expert. > > The Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP, RFCs 7480-7484) is the > proposed standard for retrieving registration metadata from both > domain name and Regional Internet Registries. Some registries are > using it now and many more are expected as ICANN moves towards > requiring it of generic top-level domain registries. > > same comment here. More over, timing data such as « using it > now » does not survive well over time. Suggested change is to remove > the last sentence. > > > To ensure > interoperable implementations it's important to coordinate and > standardize extensions and profiles to be used by registries. > > Extensions in both cases that seek the status of Internet standard are > subject to more thorough review and open discussion within the IETF. > > In addition, commonality may be discovered in related extensions, > especially EPP extensions listed on the EPP extension registry, for > which it would makes sense to merge them into a single standard > extension everybody agrees on. > > The REGEXT working group is the home of the coordination effort for > standards track extensions. The selection of extensions for standards > track shall incorporate the following guidelines. > > 1. > > Proprietary documented extensions and individual submissions of > informational or experimental EPP extensions will follow the expert > review process as described in RFC7451 for inclusion in the EPP > extensions registry. These documents will not be part of the REGEXT > working group work or milestones. The working group may discuss or > advise on these documents. > > 2. > > Extensions that seek standards track status can be suggested for WG > adoption. If accepted by the working group then the development of > the standard may proceed. > > 3. > > The working group will exist as long as there is an extension > seeking standards track status. When there are no more proposals > for a standards track extension the working group will either > close or > go dormant according to IETF rules. The mailing list will remain > open > and available for the use of the expert review process as > described in > RFC7451. > > The working group will focus initially on the backlog of EPP extensions. > > The last paragraphs are really EPP focused. We already know that > they are some RDAP extensions that need to be standardized. I think > the text should reflect that. > > > On 5 Nov 2015, at 10:09, James Galvin wrote: > > Included in this message is the final charter description that > has been previously agreed to by this working group. > > What is missing are the milestones. A follow up message will > propose a draft set of milestones for discussion in the working > group meeting (and here on the list of course). > > I'm separating these parts so we focus discussion. > > Jim > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > EppExt mailing list > EppExt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > EppExt mailing list > EppExt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext > From nobody Wed Nov 4 17:50:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE511A87EC for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:50:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BS9f8hcbvBHs for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:50:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D69BF1A8824 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:50:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [133.93.37.87] (dhcp-37-87.meeting.ietf94.jp [133.93.37.87]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 940AA403A2; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:50:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc Blanchet" To: "James Galvin" Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 10:50:43 +0900 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <563AB498.7050203@elistx.com> References: <563AAC4F.6050907@elistx.com> <1E948341-BA56-498F-8AF9-6382856B8265@viagenie.ca> <563AB498.7050203@elistx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MailMate_3C9A7DC7-D1B0-4269-B89C-55D701CD226A_=" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.2r5141) Archived-At: Cc: eppext Subject: Re: [eppext] final charter description X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 01:50:53 -0000 --=_MailMate_3C9A7DC7-D1B0-4269-B89C-55D701CD226A_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 5 Nov 2015, at 10:44, James Galvin wrote: > For right now, I would say no. This charter has been agreed to by the > working group and is waiting for milestones to move forward. > > Changing the scope would change the charter and I would recommend > against this. > > That's a process argument against. > > Separately, I think this topic is different enough from "extensions" > that it should itself be separate from this working group. Just my > opinion of course. Would like to hear from others. well, let me rephrase my point, and not concentrating on that specific draft. Is the charter strictly scoped to EPP and RDAP protocols (which seem to be), or is the scope about registration protocols (in which a bit larger scope would enable these initiatives to be in scope). Yes, there is danger for too large scope. But I wanted to at least raise the awareness of the group before we restrict ourselves to RDAP and EPP. Marc. > > Jim > > > > On 11/4/15 8:28 PM, Marc Blanchet wrote: >> have another comment about charter: should topics like this >> (draft-latour-dnsoperator-to-rrr-protocol-00) be in scope of the new >> wg? >> if yes, then we may want to make it so. >> >> Marc. >> >> On 5 Nov 2015, at 10:21, Marc Blanchet wrote: >> >> few comments on the proposed charter: >> >> Proposed Charter >> Registration Protocols Extensions (REGEXT) Working Group >> >> The Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP, Standard 69) is the >> standard domain name provisioning protocol for top-level domain name >> registries, and the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and >> Numbers (ICANN) requires all new generic top-level domain registries >> to implement EPP. To avoid many separate EPP extensions that provide >> the same functions, it's important to coordinate and standardize EPP >> extensions. >> >> I would be more happy to not specifically talk about ICANN >> requirements for gTLD, but more in general for any registries, >> including cctlds. I would just remove « and the Internet Corporation >> … to implement EPP ». >> >> >> The EPP Extensions (EPPEXT) working group completed its first goal of >> creating an IANA registry of EPP extensions. The registration process >> of the registry is documented in RFC7451. Extensions may be >> registered for informational purposes as long as there is a published >> specification that has been reviewed by a designated expert. >> >> The Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP, RFCs 7480-7484) is the >> proposed standard for retrieving registration metadata from both >> domain name and Regional Internet Registries. Some registries are >> using it now and many more are expected as ICANN moves towards >> requiring it of generic top-level domain registries. >> >> same comment here. More over, timing data such as « using it >> now » does not survive well over time. Suggested change is to remove >> the last sentence. >> >> >> To ensure >> interoperable implementations it's important to coordinate and >> standardize extensions and profiles to be used by registries. >> >> Extensions in both cases that seek the status of Internet standard >> are >> subject to more thorough review and open discussion within the IETF. >> >> In addition, commonality may be discovered in related extensions, >> especially EPP extensions listed on the EPP extension registry, for >> which it would makes sense to merge them into a single standard >> extension everybody agrees on. >> >> The REGEXT working group is the home of the coordination effort for >> standards track extensions. The selection of extensions for standards >> track shall incorporate the following guidelines. >> >> 1. >> >> Proprietary documented extensions and individual submissions of >> informational or experimental EPP extensions will follow the >> expert >> review process as described in RFC7451 for inclusion in the EPP >> extensions registry. These documents will not be part of the >> REGEXT >> working group work or milestones. The working group may discuss >> or >> advise on these documents. >> >> 2. >> >> Extensions that seek standards track status can be suggested for >> WG >> adoption. If accepted by the working group then the development >> of >> the standard may proceed. >> >> 3. >> >> The working group will exist as long as there is an extension >> seeking standards track status. When there are no more proposals >> for a standards track extension the working group will either >> close or >> go dormant according to IETF rules. The mailing list will remain >> open >> and available for the use of the expert review process as >> described in >> RFC7451. >> >> The working group will focus initially on the backlog of EPP >> extensions. >> >> The last paragraphs are really EPP focused. We already know that >> they are some RDAP extensions that need to be standardized. I think >> the text should reflect that. >> >> >> On 5 Nov 2015, at 10:09, James Galvin wrote: >> >> Included in this message is the final charter description that >> has been previously agreed to by this working group. >> >> What is missing are the milestones. A follow up message will >> propose a draft set of milestones for discussion in the working >> group meeting (and here on the list of course). >> >> I'm separating these parts so we focus discussion. >> >> Jim >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> EppExt mailing list >> EppExt@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> EppExt mailing list >> EppExt@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext >> --=_MailMate_3C9A7DC7-D1B0-4269-B89C-55D701CD226A_= Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On 5 Nov 2015, at 10:44, James Galvin wrote:

For right now, I would say no. This charter has been agr= eed to by the working group and is waiting for milestones to move forward= =2E

Changing the scope would change the charter and I would r= ecommend against this.

That's a process argument against.

Separately, I think this topic is different enough from "= extensions" that it should itself be separate from this working group. J= ust my opinion of course. Would like to hear from others.

well, let me rephrase my point, and not concentrating on = that specific draft. Is the charter strictly scoped to EPP and RDAP proto= cols (which seem to be), or is the scope about registration protocols (in= which a bit larger scope would enable these initiatives to be in scope).= Yes, there is danger for too large scope. But I wanted to at least rais= e the awareness of the group before we restrict ourselves to RDAP and EPP= =2E

Marc.

Jim

On 11/4/15 8:28 PM, Marc Blanchet wrote:

have another comment about charter: should topics like th= is
(draft-latour-dnsoperator-to-rrr-protocol-00) be in scope of the new wg?<= br> if yes, then we may want to make it so.

Marc.

On 5 Nov 2015, at 10:21, Marc Blanchet wrote:

few comments on the proposed charter:

Proposed Charter
Registration Protocols Extensions (REGEXT) Working Group

The Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP, Standard 69) i= s the
standard domain name provisioning protocol for top-level domain name
registries, and the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and
Numbers (ICANN) requires all new generic top-level domain registries
to implement EPP. To avoid many separate EPP extensions that provide
the same functions, it's important to coordinate and standardize EPP
extensions.

<MB>I would be more happy to not specifically talk = about ICANN
requirements for gTLD, but more in general for any registries,
including cctlds. I would just remove =C2=AB and the Internet Corporation=
=E2=80=A6 to implement EPP =C2=BB.
</MB>

The EPP Extensions (EPPEXT) working group completed its f= irst goal of
creating an IANA registry of EPP extensions. The registration process
= of the registry is documented in RFC7451. Extensions may be
registered for informational purposes as long as there is a published
= specification that has been reviewed by a designated expert.

The Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP, RFCs 7480-74= 84) is the
proposed standard for retrieving registration metadata from both
domain name and Regional Internet Registries. Some registries are
using it now and many more are expected as ICANN moves towards
requiring it of generic top-level domain registries.

<MB>same comment here. More over, timing data such = as =C2=AB using it
now =C2=BB does not survive well over time. Suggested change is to remove=
the last sentence.
</MB>

To ensure
interoperable implementations it's important to coordinate and
standardize extensions and profiles to be used by registries.

Extensions in both cases that seek the status of Internet= standard are
subject to more thorough review and open discussion within the IETF.

In addition, commonality may be discovered in related ext= ensions,
especially EPP extensions listed on the EPP extension registry, for
which it would makes sense to merge them into a single standard
extension everybody agrees on.

The REGEXT working group is the home of the coordination = effort for
standards track extensions. The selection of extensions for standards
= track shall incorporate the following guidelines.

1.

Proprietary documented extensions and individual submissions o=
f
informational or experimental EPP extensions will follow the expert
review process as described in RFC7451 for inclusion in the EPP
extensions registry. These documents will not be part of the REGEXT
working group work or milestones. The working group may discuss or
advise on these documents.

2.

Extensions that seek standards track status can be suggested f=
or WG
adoption. If accepted by the working group then the development of
the standard may proceed.

3.

The working group will exist as long as there is an extension
seeking standards track status. When there are no more proposals
for a standards track extension the working group will either
close or
go dormant according to IETF rules. The mailing list will remain
open
and available for the use of the expert review process as
described in
RFC7451.

The working group will focus initially on the backlog of = EPP extensions.

<MB>The last paragraphs are really EPP focused. We = already know that
they are some RDAP extensions that need to be standardized. I think
the text should reflect that.
</MB>

On 5 Nov 2015, at 10:09, James Galvin wrote:

Included in this message is the final charter description that=

has been previously agreed to by this working group.

What is missing are the milestones. A follow up message will
propose a draft set of milestones for discussion in the working
group meeting (and here on the list of course).

I'm separating these parts so we focus discussion.

Jim

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[73.133.108.218]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id j94sm1074121qge.27.2015.11.04.17.51.44 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Nov 2015 17:51:48 -0800 (PST) To: Rik Ribbers , "eppext@ietf.org" References: <563AAC4F.6050907@elistx.com> From: James Galvin Message-ID: <563AB649.10907@elistx.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:52:09 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [eppext] final charter description X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 01:51:51 -0000 The last sentence is there to ensure the WG works with what is in front of it now, i.e., the current known list of drafts describing extensions. It is that sentence that is driving the milestones, not the other way around. I'm not inclined to agree with this change unless the working group really wants to stand up and demonstrate a significant consensus to do so. We have already made a decision and changing that decision should require a significant consensus. Jim On 11/4/15 8:39 PM, Rik Ribbers wrote: > Jim, > > one remark about the last sentence: > > The working group will focus initially on the backlog of EPP extensions. > > I think that the list of documents and milestones will determine the focus the WG. My suggestion is to remove the last line. > > Gr, > RIk > >> On 05 Nov 2015, at 10:09, James Galvin wrote: >> >> Included in this message is the final charter description that has been previously agreed to by this working group. >> >> What is missing are the milestones. A follow up message will propose a draft set of milestones for discussion in the working group meeting (and here on the list of course). >> >> I'm separating these parts so we focus discussion. >> >> Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> EppExt mailing list >> EppExt@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext > From nobody Wed Nov 4 17:55:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5041B3601 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:55:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cxqO01wZLuQb for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:55:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qg0-x232.google.com (mail-qg0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EB151A8844 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:55:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by qgad10 with SMTP id d10so55736131qga.3 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 17:55:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=elistx_com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HeobbPSLcJQla5WyM3CksRMK0+VCk3FFT3c0Bt5H0Io=; b=ZtXZpbVBm/7Er8Bbyq8hZppfYQCiZYe8KmT0gwITYBVBstiqa/bnqCHR92PO1Ouk7Z JYRDvB4l/ipx4OuEf4Ob3govK1knjKU+RgZ1oVrC9XNAAchxNb2F/u5h83xhb7/OOJkV cGjews1Sk2Q64PDriW48qXnM5M6S59VT0JKCwFtykeHCs/t615O0TxWkr9X/2o/EY36k gabr6vFoHUHOhFmUWI8UYCo1S0TeD7KxeORcy6qDiyLoGrLjn4FAe/fss3LGTRdq5ye+ Od3hVhSj511I7c0K6KpjTuEisD5Lv8QB1DBjbuuP8Sp/7ydemfJtY8FxpV5nCp/41CiI Nc+Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=HeobbPSLcJQla5WyM3CksRMK0+VCk3FFT3c0Bt5H0Io=; b=MykitNE0eZHZghXCBVneaS3x7aX5ppzWo8NZoAecjoGaMZLTPOFpHWGX4tNED8NA4K /PYDoPW0kmMdDNmW2smFIX4e/2P72kTCX9ofHPJ4ZqOvl5q+6lGmeDe5RA53cLgNIxI+ rIwy3lC5gD8hQkA+HyUhCwu32882bEzuM9ICLIAFcYxMbXslj+sHQKAND3Z0xTO3eJJs TtKYfhRdIWQfxAnVGuHRpGo+RvcRa4dtaX4UJaY4UGwsdt0pPs5oR6avHr/6dTdOzgCc YxEku5P79m2R4EXa36arrakZVq5CbuX6qZ3G/xs1BGvWyBoTTuxdpUxOUtOt18NznzMA +HfA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmASyjAl8Qoy5TN7CgCnH3pc6y9rn64IRq1mqKJg+is1HjSNj//mmu91UhT8geQz/j+zIZc X-Received: by 10.140.135.17 with SMTP id 17mr5267088qhh.3.1446688542526; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 17:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from jgalvin-lt.local (c-73-133-108-218.hsd1.md.comcast.net. [73.133.108.218]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id a49sm1073097qga.41.2015.11.04.17.55.36 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Nov 2015 17:55:41 -0800 (PST) To: Marc Blanchet References: <563AAC4F.6050907@elistx.com> <1E948341-BA56-498F-8AF9-6382856B8265@viagenie.ca> <563AB498.7050203@elistx.com> From: James Galvin Message-ID: <563AB732.9050301@elistx.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:56:02 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: eppext Subject: Re: [eppext] final charter description X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 01:55:48 -0000 On 11/4/15 8:50 PM, Marc Blanchet wrote: > On 5 Nov 2015, at 10:44, James Galvin wrote: > > For right now, I would say no. This charter has been agreed to by > the working group and is waiting for milestones to move forward. > > Changing the scope would change the charter and I would recommend > against this. > > That's a process argument against. > > Separately, I think this topic is different enough from "extensions" > that it should itself be separate from this working group. Just my > opinion of course. Would like to hear from others. > > well, let me rephrase my point, and not concentrating on that specific > draft. Is the charter strictly scoped to EPP and RDAP protocols (which > seem to be), or is the scope about registration protocols (in which a > bit larger scope would enable these initiatives to be in scope). Yes, > there is danger for too large scope. But I wanted to at least raise the > awareness of the group before we restrict ourselves to RDAP and EPP. Thanks for this. What do others think? Jim > > Marc. > > Jim > > On 11/4/15 8:28 PM, Marc Blanchet wrote: > > have another comment about charter: should topics like this > (draft-latour-dnsoperator-to-rrr-protocol-00) be in scope of the > new wg? > if yes, then we may want to make it so. > > Marc. > > On 5 Nov 2015, at 10:21, Marc Blanchet wrote: > > few comments on the proposed charter: > > Proposed Charter > Registration Protocols Extensions (REGEXT) Working Group > > The Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP, Standard 69) is the > standard domain name provisioning protocol for top-level domain name > registries, and the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and > Numbers (ICANN) requires all new generic top-level domain registries > to implement EPP. To avoid many separate EPP extensions that provide > the same functions, it's important to coordinate and standardize EPP > extensions. > > I would be more happy to not specifically talk about ICANN > requirements for gTLD, but more in general for any registries, > including cctlds. I would just remove « and the Internet Corporation > … to implement EPP ». > > > The EPP Extensions (EPPEXT) working group completed its first > goal of > creating an IANA registry of EPP extensions. The registration > process > of the registry is documented in RFC7451. Extensions may be > registered for informational purposes as long as there is a > published > specification that has been reviewed by a designated expert. > > The Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP, RFCs 7480-7484) is the > proposed standard for retrieving registration metadata from both > domain name and Regional Internet Registries. Some registries are > using it now and many more are expected as ICANN moves towards > requiring it of generic top-level domain registries. > > same comment here. More over, timing data such as « using it > now » does not survive well over time. Suggested change is to remove > the last sentence. > > > To ensure > interoperable implementations it's important to coordinate and > standardize extensions and profiles to be used by registries. > > Extensions in both cases that seek the status of Internet > standard are > subject to more thorough review and open discussion within the IETF. > > In addition, commonality may be discovered in related extensions, > especially EPP extensions listed on the EPP extension registry, for > which it would makes sense to merge them into a single standard > extension everybody agrees on. > > The REGEXT working group is the home of the coordination effort for > standards track extensions. The selection of extensions for > standards > track shall incorporate the following guidelines. > > 1. > > |Proprietary documented extensions and individual submissions of > informational or experimental EPP extensions will follow the > expert review process as described in RFC7451 for inclusion in > the EPP extensions registry. These documents will not be part of > the REGEXT working group work or milestones. The working group > may discuss or advise on these documents. | > > 2. > > |Extensions that seek standards track status can be suggested for > WG adoption. If accepted by the working group then the > development of the standard may proceed. | > > 3. > > |The working group will exist as long as there is an extension > seeking standards track status. When there are no more proposals > for a standards track extension the working group will either > close or go dormant according to IETF rules. The mailing list > will remain open and available for the use of the expert review > process as described in RFC7451. | > > The working group will focus initially on the backlog of EPP > extensions. > > The last paragraphs are really EPP focused. We already know that > they are some RDAP extensions that need to be standardized. I think > the text should reflect that. > > > On 5 Nov 2015, at 10:09, James Galvin wrote: > > |Included in this message is the final charter description that > has been previously agreed to by this working group. What is > missing are the milestones. A follow up message will propose a > draft set of milestones for discussion in the working group > meeting (and here on the list of course). I'm separating these > parts so we focus discussion. Jim > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > EppExt mailing list EppExt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext | > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > EppExt mailing list > EppExt@ietf.org EppExt@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext > From nobody Wed Nov 4 18:05:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DBA21B363D for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:05:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.912 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.912 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BxafxdBxaN2a for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:05:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from shaktot.patoche.org (shaktot.patoche.org [212.85.152.86]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 366E71B3510 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:05:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from shaktot.patoche.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by shaktot.patoche.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id tA525PCU007186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 5 Nov 2015 03:05:25 +0100 Received: (from patrick@localhost) by shaktot.patoche.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id tA525OWJ007185; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 03:05:24 +0100 Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 03:05:23 +0100 From: Patrick Mevzek To: James Galvin Message-ID: <20151105020523.GA12103@home.patoche.org> References: <563AAC4F.6050907@elistx.com> <1E948341-BA56-498F-8AF9-6382856B8265@viagenie.ca> <563AB498.7050203@elistx.com> <563AB732.9050301@elistx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <563AB732.9050301@elistx.com> X-PGP-KeyID: A241FB6B X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9DA9 5054 7A5D 03FC A9AD 9AFF 1371 9F06 A241 FB6B X-Request-PGP: http://www.keyserver.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xA241FB6B User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Scanned-By: shaktot_dot_patoche_dot_org on 212.85.152.86 Archived-At: Cc: eppext Subject: Re: [eppext] final charter description X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 02:05:38 -0000 James Galvin 2015-11-05 02:56 > >well, let me rephrase my point, and not concentrating on that specific > >draft. Is the charter strictly scoped to EPP and RDAP protocols (which > >seem to be), or is the scope about registration protocols (in which a > >bit larger scope would enable these initiatives to be in scope). Yes, > >there is danger for too large scope. But I wanted to at least raise the > >awareness of the group before we restrict ourselves to RDAP and EPP. > > Thanks for this. > > What do others think? I agree with you that process-wise we should stick to the more or less currently agreed charter focused purely on EPP/RDAP extensions (even if I'm in the minority section of people not seeing the benefit of the merge, but not opposing it) However, what Jacques's draft proposes comes from a real problem that is spoken about in various fora (in dnsop a little ago, various blog posts from Cloudflare, etc…), but it does not seem there is a specific working group or such where it should be discussed and worked on. The closest WG to discuss that would still seems to be REGEXT for me, especially because, for example, James Gould verification EPP extension could be also a tool to achieve the goal described above. So in short, even if the charter sticks to EPP/RDAP extensions, there should be discussion somewhere, and I would say preferably here in the absence of better choice, on the problems that this specific draft tackles. -- Patrick Mevzek From nobody Wed Nov 4 18:07:26 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DDEC1B3657 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:07:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.278 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.278 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aKFnV60bgcUz for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:07:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wm0-x22e.google.com (mail-wm0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B3CC1B3645 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:07:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by wmeg8 with SMTP id g8so2017502wme.0 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 18:07:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hxr_us.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=MLykxrXSp0IiPZtywL8zk27XOzm6nPdT8i2cLEpmhpw=; b=GgZbTQ0riPouRJVQ2PWnPo4ZDLHhtBmyblMv09PR50Ux+ue+664Bg7FO2GB8/hrNgq hc68JLjuhhLsHWXx3aFcEoJryqQpXyrBtOkwE1LF+psJOTceeq3bcVZbJ62JK7eXIiQB 30LERff4714PwD98O5P7hJR8CYbX15ghZ/JZa2/ah/9LAjyGbLillKEaUzT5tYDwHlOa YEoNk+duHc+xeHe5MnYcGepcQQyBAZJdPwDjKHr3hfa1r4dT/MoVqE+Wpvj4ADa+W7Cz mW7CqFUEetOCwmxjpLWPrxeEQy5NkC7j30jfaR2BQxKS4Pspw/l5Ghy0PnIax38yaLFv DKgg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=MLykxrXSp0IiPZtywL8zk27XOzm6nPdT8i2cLEpmhpw=; b=jZ9cQI4TivjxGM8VPtXu8kXCieCd/y44Yua8yCQIridReWfuQLmrzE+McIPj8mqY6O xumZE+oATDDzmXF6Ftb8YFT5xOdG2Gl6f30t5epp/2SCtd/Bf76klu6Uml+pQtb9HQ9r X1Lz/pEYVsR46fW5cuSAc27YARYhlJasAtfq/5aRUZXCfWG/3etsKdZJmqHrvgthI6oB v0sis95bbBUS5O2kiDh1/6UflikvydKqzopMvezo/Oz1BRSj8iNNv/U9p2LtgwXToRlO xArZGLBLCgntyFzKE1Wrhy3+ZCehdlyRgiRIUotcB0NYAVAaWbvqtZdrAF9g4E3scybJ DxAA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm6T1b7xCjnIzw6gxX1g+OSf1TGQDKJ6JzLI5vNh8DRQGXXSgwCJNv3i6XxRmVGY+qTc2dO MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.28.88.129 with SMTP id m123mr344109wmb.76.1446689242751; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 18:07:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.91.134 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:07:22 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [133.93.86.12] In-Reply-To: <563AB732.9050301@elistx.com> References: <563AAC4F.6050907@elistx.com> <1E948341-BA56-498F-8AF9-6382856B8265@viagenie.ca> <563AB498.7050203@elistx.com> <563AB732.9050301@elistx.com> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 11:07:22 +0900 Message-ID: From: Andrew Newton To: James Galvin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: Marc Blanchet , eppext Subject: Re: [eppext] final charter description X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 02:07:25 -0000 On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 10:56 AM, James Galvin wrote: > > > What do others think? I'm the guilty party who put that last sentence in there. The intent was to allow the working group to focus on the EPP work it had before it and not let the new RDAP work side track that. It maybe that this sentence has been overcome by events and doesn't need to be in the charter any more. So I'm fine with removing it. Inclusion of things that are DNR and RIR related but not EPP or RDAP is probably not a bad idea. There are likely to be few of them, and if any of one of them becomes burdensome then the IETF can simply spin off another WG specifically for it. -andy From nobody Wed Nov 4 18:20:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8628C1B37EB for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:19:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rp3Y3MRVl1Ni for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:19:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi0-f100.google.com (mail-oi0-f100.google.com [209.85.218.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 594181B38EB for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:19:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by oies6 with SMTP id s6so2738215oie.1 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 18:19:49 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:thread-topic:thread-index:date :message-id:accept-language:content-language:content-type:content-id :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=50uMDa10EFZ2ASeIMqnR/cn4VPda/0wbAgztyCOquyM=; b=AEBVOThP+d0ED2sHMossScgVmTKXEAA6E7DVyiColNPjlf2A29OLBuizu/srJC6Wl7 4H3l47oKajA4bOBjaxc/Vbp6oHNsS93zWWX9sDEOtQFKBdkY4J9iNyt4n0j8B54H9TD2 CEbAniZWd/Z7dZG5tfBE3H4ZNgULrdIurzAiXUdgm1jS7PCEvJQX963m5oSuZHydAOdU 3+cqXYO2/srnxXNUb9b5KxjvCIaUJeDQQZ9A+fk8ZX1vEeavDMEQIvYapOqbQvAhwLER 65DJFZcXPNRPqe2wbhlbakS/yfIaHr63f4XF3fIGSSxzNodIIW+oFyN5t21nz0R4+ii2 s0Sw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl1XdGn9h8Fjz+OoKDhkBfCeFbI1pwcJVnFKacLifKGz+uULtiC9BcUFbMw+IBn4Wk5TZseXLtol1Wy0OARA3jfcdU8rA== X-Received: by 10.140.91.108 with SMTP id y99mr4998956qgd.68.1446689989812; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 18:19:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from brn1lxmailout01.verisign.com (brn1lxmailout01.verisign.com. 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Thread-Index: AdEXcHHZ1ns4jBvhR6yNTvPiZVHQEw== Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 02:19:48 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <51B6EA0600336E43ACCCBE745E54BD1B@verisign.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [eppext] Jabber Scribe and Minutes Taker? X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 02:19:56 -0000 Is anyone willing to jabber scribe or take notes for the minutes during thi= s afternoon's meeting? Please speak up now... Scott= From nobody Wed Nov 4 18:27:57 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C6F1B38D3 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:27:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.277 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.277 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y981d7Eaw2HD for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:27:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yk0-x236.google.com (mail-yk0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA01D1B36D8 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:27:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by ykba4 with SMTP id a4so108062342ykb.3 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 18:27:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=wisser_se.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=vneOclN7VU47S6K/HEQ71OGYTQuJVzh8FGTWmZlu3ro=; b=U+hlQ709aHrHei5a2HYQi87h/ju2XmKZf4zdNZidysucovHSY71dqPvlRW3RATF6Kj riRB8E1L4kvgP0BrJbjxldNkWTQdo3dlhhlMootd5x9blnVmFWcS4EUk1G2qpq+sHMyC v8I7Clr2wkgExLXpSkv0yQeyqzQ3fTtQyS+uOaOCIvvmek2deJYVzwMRarEdYMY4qih5 YB7GRpSpj0Lm1QO5u3BmsKOjNGN5QsbZaas2wl6lpG2YafRRkC6tY1lpnyqseyQufA8F YyFUBMIg27l16YVqdtKDoHBmz31Ys/gx3lRqfy6UIXa106OtaNkLqCax0lLQjNlCIuUc 4Pyg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=vneOclN7VU47S6K/HEQ71OGYTQuJVzh8FGTWmZlu3ro=; b=lvn2m06SoBrXEFDL6bwzeUn+L61jU4yxlF7MJ2Dz6CfrVovltjD2uyHdOmsGYNV75W xFFHw7QQ86YMW8aim+BUSf0QkhAx9hR6CWN9Uo9icAUpQCTxXh+Ie+6vmnroblP9lfsn 6GonnZPfDfLybks8ceF8mx8FALuxW/98F6HiEBj3T7OEPPzvkml5LLLpFQeh0y01ocf2 Gslj86vTAbaVtU8sMrLCIt6UDkn8iEOEEBl75L8qmfMBukqqave8xh8u4/SVCDbnxJTV yaWr5sPuAyMGgQM3T8pTJ5IyofXG9A0U70P3aZ8H2GRASsJ9VQncXQFiGCogHRWXZuGo ZNOQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlczXUNnJIOsIN4ZC45wf6L+rMbflMkK2G/zONDPIe7PDs/yRU7fL7huQb/m8mXvbCKN/cB X-Received: by 10.13.244.199 with SMTP id d190mr4579876ywf.297.1446690472099; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 18:27:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Ulrich Wisser Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 02:27:42 +0000 Message-ID: To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" , "eppext@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0356d4b0b2d10523c1dff5 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [eppext] Jabber Scribe and Minutes Taker? X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 02:27:54 -0000 --94eb2c0356d4b0b2d10523c1dff5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I volonteer to take minutes. /Ulrich Hollenbeck, Scott schrieb am Do., 5. Nov. 2015 um 03:20 Uhr: > Is anyone willing to jabber scribe or take notes for the minutes during > this afternoon's meeting? Please speak up now... > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > EppExt mailing list > EppExt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext > -- Ulrich Wisser ulrich@wisser.se --94eb2c0356d4b0b2d10523c1dff5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I volonteer to take minutes.
/Ulrich

Hollenbeck, Scott <shollenbeck@verisign.com> schrieb a= m Do., 5. Nov. 2015 um 03:20=C2=A0Uhr:
Is anyone willing to jabber scribe or take notes for the minutes during= this afternoon's meeting? Please speak up now...

Scott
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Ulrich Wi= sser --94eb2c0356d4b0b2d10523c1dff5-- From nobody Wed Nov 4 18:30:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B631B2F70 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:30:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.084 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.084 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JGYev0tes6SB for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:30:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from arn2-kamx.sidn.nl (kamx.sidn.nl [IPv6:2a00:d78:0:147:94:198:152:69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F8641A895C for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:30:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; d=sidn.nl; s=sidn-nl; c=relaxed/relaxed; h=from:to:subject:thread-topic:thread-index:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to:accept-language:content-language:x-ms-has-attach:x-ms-tnef-correlator:x-mailer:x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader:x-originating-ip:content-type:mime-version; bh=W2ghWLCFuMsYlzFZkvTWfy/ECGBe/sIyhwVwn6hmHOI=; b=SacjFIMVx/f2rJ2aZtdY0RPEnGXfp56yiriXXSONmjjiD8ID7IQL89hx4TKDtZdKEyZ44hVBNmceBNDqsSj0MegYBJwVsKKosuog/GmsJVsl0Wl+hOHLH1+4NeN+OQkCpudWfgSghDijTUCKQbZJeVNqJJvNXBZH6fyAnbqYBgbFbzHbneq03TKXc75nSamTLdl0FlHRZyeLfwGPUFQ8S8WKyJrF9dDiKKfSz5BSwveBlvNC9QS2KUq+svtEn3BnifaR75TwXoWkYucJ5WQgKhZnR5ST0Lof02EKgNfx1fJyGGhbCcaHY67fCOoGfNeei5DDHIU34Q4fwT1gQM99RA== Received: from ka-mbx01.SIDN.local ([192.168.2.177]) by arn2-kamx.sidn.nl with ESMTP id tA52Upb7016309-tA52Upb9016309 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=CAFAIL) for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 03:30:51 +0100 Received: from ka-mbx03.SIDN.local (192.168.2.179) by ka-mbx01.SIDN.local (192.168.2.177) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1076.9; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 03:30:54 +0100 Received: from ka-mbx03.SIDN.local ([fe80::d130:f9c0:9810:3ea3]) by ka-mbx03.SIDN.local ([fe80::d130:f9c0:9810:3ea3%13]) with mapi id 15.00.1076.000; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 03:30:54 +0100 From: Rik Ribbers To: "eppext@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [eppext] Jabber Scribe and Minutes Taker? Thread-Index: AdEXcHHZ1ns4jBvhR6yNTvPiZVHQE///8lEA Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 02:30:54 +0000 Message-ID: <78D7EBD2-B276-4281-9884-E34F20D0A932@sidn.nl> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: nl-NL, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.168.4.168] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_278DE6AC-CD27-4E06-9437-4EA8C43E83EB"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [eppext] Jabber Scribe and Minutes Taker? X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 02:30:55 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_278DE6AC-CD27-4E06-9437-4EA8C43E83EB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99ll jabber scribe =09 > On 05 Nov 2015, at 11:19, Hollenbeck, Scott = wrote: >=20 > Is anyone willing to jabber scribe or take notes for the minutes = during this afternoon's meeting? 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[73.133.108.218]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id e7sm1135420qkb.40.2015.11.04.19.00.55 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:00:56 -0800 (PST) To: Ulrich Wisser , "Hollenbeck, Scott" , "eppext@ietf.org" References: From: James Galvin Message-ID: <563AC688.8080702@elistx.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 22:01:28 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [eppext] Jabber Scribe and Minutes Taker? X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 03:01:00 -0000 Great, thanks! Jim On 11/4/15 9:27 PM, Ulrich Wisser wrote: > I volonteer to take minutes. > /Ulrich > > Hollenbeck, Scott > schrieb am Do., 5. Nov. 2015 um > 03:20 Uhr: > > Is anyone willing to jabber scribe or take notes for the minutes > during this afternoon's meeting? 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[73.133.108.218]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id c185sm1135694qka.44.2015.11.04.19.02.06 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:02:06 -0800 (PST) To: Rik Ribbers , "eppext@ietf.org" References: <78D7EBD2-B276-4281-9884-E34F20D0A932@sidn.nl> From: James Galvin Message-ID: <563AC6CF.4030801@elistx.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 22:02:39 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <78D7EBD2-B276-4281-9884-E34F20D0A932@sidn.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [eppext] Jabber Scribe and Minutes Taker? X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 03:02:09 -0000 Great, thanks! Jim On 11/4/15 9:30 PM, Rik Ribbers wrote: > I’ll jabber scribe > >> On 05 Nov 2015, at 11:19, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: >> >> Is anyone willing to jabber scribe or take notes for the minutes during this afternoon's meeting? 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[73.133.108.218]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id g97sm1239433qge.6.2015.11.04.21.07.19 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Nov 2015 21:07:19 -0800 (PST) To: eppext From: James Galvin Message-ID: <563AE428.6070801@elistx.com> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 00:07:52 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000204030403060709050103" Archived-At: Subject: [eppext] charter milestones for discussions X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 05:07:22 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000204030403060709050103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Attached is a proposal to start the discussion of milestones for the charter. 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Jack On 2015-11-05, 10:50 AM, "EppExt on behalf of Marc Blanchet" on behalf of marc.blanchet@viage= nie.ca> wrote: On 5 Nov 2015, at 10:44, James Galvin wrote: For right now, I would say no. This charter has been agreed to by the worki= ng group and is waiting for milestones to move forward. Changing the scope would change the charter and I would recommend against t= his. That's a process argument against. Separately, I think this topic is different enough from "extensions" that i= t should itself be separate from this working group. Just my opinion of cou= rse. Would like to hear from others. well, let me rephrase my point, and not concentrating on that specific draf= t. Is the charter strictly scoped to EPP and RDAP protocols (which seem to = be), or is the scope about registration protocols (in which a bit larger sc= ope would enable these initiatives to be in scope). Yes, there is danger fo= r too large scope. But I wanted to at least raise the awareness of the grou= p before we restrict ourselves to RDAP and EPP. Marc. Jim On 11/4/15 8:28 PM, Marc Blanchet wrote: have another comment about charter: should topics like this (draft-latour-dnsoperator-to-rrr-protocol-00) be in scope of the new wg? if yes, then we may want to make it so. Marc. On 5 Nov 2015, at 10:21, Marc Blanchet wrote: few comments on the proposed charter: Proposed Charter Registration Protocols Extensions (REGEXT) Working Group The Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP, Standard 69) is the standard domain name provisioning protocol for top-level domain name registries, and the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) requires all new generic top-level domain registries to implement EPP. To avoid many separate EPP extensions that provide the same functions, it's important to coordinate and standardize EPP extensions. I would be more happy to not specifically talk about ICANN requirements for gTLD, but more in general for any registries, including cctlds. I would just remove =AB and the Internet Corporation =85 to implement EPP =BB. The EPP Extensions (EPPEXT) working group completed its first goal of creating an IANA registry of EPP extensions. The registration process of the registry is documented in RFC7451. Extensions may be registered for informational purposes as long as there is a published specification that has been reviewed by a designated expert. The Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP, RFCs 7480-7484) is the proposed standard for retrieving registration metadata from both domain name and Regional Internet Registries. Some registries are using it now and many more are expected as ICANN moves towards requiring it of generic top-level domain registries. same comment here. More over, timing data such as =AB using it now =BB does not survive well over time. Suggested change is to remove the last sentence. To ensure interoperable implementations it's important to coordinate and standardize extensions and profiles to be used by registries. Extensions in both cases that seek the status of Internet standard are subject to more thorough review and open discussion within the IETF. In addition, commonality may be discovered in related extensions, especially EPP extensions listed on the EPP extension registry, for which it would makes sense to merge them into a single standard extension everybody agrees on. The REGEXT working group is the home of the coordination effort for standards track extensions. The selection of extensions for standards track shall incorporate the following guidelines. 1. Proprietary documented extensions and individual submissions of informational or experimental EPP extensions will follow the expert review process as described in RFC7451 for inclusion in the EPP extensions registry. These documents will not be part of the REGEXT working group work or milestones. The working group may discuss or advise on these documents. 2. Extensions that seek standards track status can be suggested for WG adoption. If accepted by the working group then the development of the standard may proceed. 3. The working group will exist as long as there is an extension seeking standards track status. When there are no more proposals for a standards track extension the working group will either close or go dormant according to IETF rules. The mailing list will remain open and available for the use of the expert review process as described in RFC7451. The working group will focus initially on the backlog of EPP extensions. The last paragraphs are really EPP focused. We already know that they are some RDAP extensions that need to be standardized. I think the text should reflect that. On 5 Nov 2015, at 10:09, James Galvin wrote: Included in this message is the final charter description that has been previously agreed to by this working group. What is missing are the milestones. A follow up message will propose a draft set of milestones for discussion in the working group meeting (and here on the list of course). I'm separating these parts so we focus discussion. Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------ EppExt mailing list EppExt@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext ________________________________ EppExt mailing list EppExt@ietf.org EppExt@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext --_000_D26114BA2F43Ejacqueslatourciraca_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think we should consider the scope for DNS Operator registration pro= tocols, like described in draft-latour-dnsoperator-to-rrr-protocol-00 and f= uture development.

Jack

On 2015-11-05, 10:50 AM, "EppExt on behalf of Marc Blanchet"= <eppext-bounces@ietf.org= on behalf of marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca&= gt; wrote:

On 5 Nov 2015, at 10:44, James Galvin wrote:

For right now, I would say no. This charter has been agreed= to by the working group and is waiting for milestones to move forward.

Changing the scope would change the charter and I would rec= ommend against this.

That's a process argument against.

Separately, I think this topic is different enough from &qu= ot;extensions" that it should itself be separate from this working gro= up. Just my opinion of course. Would like to hear from others.

well, let me rephrase my point, and not concentrating on th= at specific draft. Is the charter strictly scoped to EPP and RDAP protocols= (which seem to be), or is the scope about registration protocols (in which= a bit larger scope would enable these initiatives to be in scope). Yes, there is danger for too large scope. But= I wanted to at least raise the awareness of the group before we restrict o= urselves to RDAP and EPP.

Marc.

Jim

On 11/4/15 8:28 PM, Marc Blanchet wrote:

have another comment about charter: should topics like this=
(draft-latour-dnsoperator-to-rrr-protocol-00) be in scope of the new wg? if yes, then we may want to make it so.

Marc.

On 5 Nov 2015, at 10:21, Marc Blanchet wrote:

few comments on the proposed charter:

Proposed Charter
Registration Protocols Extensions (REGEXT) Working Group

The Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP, Standard 69) is = the
standard domain name provisioning protocol for top-level domain name
registries, and the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and
Numbers (ICANN) requires all new generic top-level domain registries
to implement EPP. To avoid many separate EPP extensions that provide
the same functions, it's important to coordinate and standardize EPP
extensions.

<MB>I would be more happy to not specifically talk ab= out ICANN
requirements for gTLD, but more in general for any registries,
including cctlds. I would just remove =AB and the Internet Corporation
=85 to implement EPP =BB.
</MB>

The EPP Extensions (EPPEXT) working group completed its fir= st goal of
creating an IANA registry of EPP extensions. The registration process
of the registry is documented in RFC7451. Extensions may be
registered for informational purposes as long as there is a published
specification that has been reviewed by a designated expert.

The Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP, RFCs 7480-7484= ) is the
proposed standard for retrieving registration metadata from both
domain name and Regional Internet Registries. Some registries are
using it now and many more are expected as ICANN moves towards
requiring it of generic top-level domain registries.

<MB>same comment here. More over, timing data such as= =AB using it
now =BB does not survive well over time. Suggested change is to remove
the last sentence.
</MB>

To ensure
interoperable implementations it's important to coordinate and
standardize extensions and profiles to be used by registries.

Extensions in both cases that seek the status of Internet s= tandard are
subject to more thorough review and open discussion within the IETF.

In addition, commonality may be discovered in related exten= sions,
especially EPP extensions listed on the EPP extension registry, for
which it would makes sense to merge them into a single standard
extension everybody agrees on.

The REGEXT working group is the home of the coordination ef= fort for
standards track extensions. The selection of extensions for standards
track shall incorporate the following guidelines.

1.

Proprietary documented extensions and individual submissions of
informational or experimental EPP extensions will follow the expert
review process as described in RFC7451 for inclusion in the EPP
extensions registry. These documents will not be part of the REGEXT
working group work or milestones. The working group may discuss or
advise on these documents.

2.

Extensions that seek standards track status can be suggested for=
 WG
adoption. If accepted by the working group then the development of
the standard may proceed.

3.

The working group will exist as long as there is an extension
seeking standards track status. When there are no more proposals
for a standards track extension the working group will either
close or
go dormant according to IETF rules. The mailing list will remain
open
and available for the use of the expert review process as
described in
RFC7451.

The working group will focus initially on the backlog of EP= P extensions.

<MB>The last paragraphs are really EPP focused. We al= ready know that
they are some RDAP extensions that need to be standardized. I think
the text should reflect that.
</MB>

On 5 Nov 2015, at 10:09, James Galvin wrote:

Included in this message is the final charter description that
has been previously agreed to by this working group.

What is missing are the milestones. A follow up message will
propose a draft set of milestones for discussion in the working
group meeting (and here on the list of course).

I'm separating these parts so we focus discussion.

Jim

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Thu, 05 Nov 2015 01:09:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ulrich Wisser Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 09:09:28 +0000 Message-ID: To: EppExt@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1149086e825c1c0523c77cfc Archived-At: Subject: [eppext] Minutes for our meeting in Yokohama IETF94 X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 09:09:44 -0000 --001a1149086e825c1c0523c77cfc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Please find my minutes below. Feedback is welcome! /Ulrich EPPEXT meeting at IETF94 Yokohama 2015-11-05 15:20-17:20 Scott Hollenbeck and Ning Kong as interim chair Both chairs Jim Galvin and Antoin Verschueren in remote participation draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay draft-eppext-tmch-smd Both are through last call and AD Barry Leiba is currently reviewing, response expected in the coming weeks. draft-ietf-epppext-launchphase Jim Gould updated the document and thinks it is ready for last call. shepherd Ulrich Wisser draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-func-spec-00 shepherd Ulrich Wisser draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap-02 draft-gould-idn-table-02 draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00 James Gould speaks on these drafts. idnmap needs even idntables as to specify possible table name values. Several of the documents are expired. Renewal is requested or will be directly after the meeting. Documents will become milestones in the new charter. wilcox will be retracted or moved to epp-registry. Jim Galvin presents a list of documents currently in work and will be milestones for the new charter. draft-gould-allocation-token James Goulds speaks on the reasoning behind the extensions. Opposition to use AuthInfo for this purpose draft-gould-change-poll James Gould speaks on the reasoning of the document. Clients get updates on changes to objects through the poll queue. draft-gould-epp-rdap-status-mapping James Gould presents on the reasoning behind the draft. Comments from the room about the question of standards track or informational draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-ext Ning Kong presents Discussions about need for RDAP extension Registrar object suggested with support in the room draft-gould-eppext-verificationcode draft-xie-eppext-nv-mapping James Gould presents IPR disclosure Discussion about adoption of informational documents Hum only for no objection Discussion about documents to include in working group - not draft from Alexander Mayerhofer - Jim proposes to divide docs in groups for the milestones - opposition and support for nv-mapping document - Hum, no objections to milestones - charter presentation and discussions - Several submissions to not broaden the scope of the group to all things ICANN -- Ulrich Wisser ulrich@wisser.se --001a1149086e825c1c0523c77cfc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Please find my minutes below.
Feedback is w= elcome!
/Ulrich


EPPEXT me= eting at IETF94 Yokohama 2015-11-05 15:20-17:20

Sc= ott Hollenbeck and Ning Kong as interim chair
Both chairs Jim Gal= vin and Antoin Verschueren in remote participation

draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay
draft-eppext-tmch-smd
=C2= =A0 Both are through last call and AD Barry Leiba is currently reviewing, r= esponse expected in the coming weeks.


draft-ietf-epppext-launchphase
=C2=A0 Jim Gould updated the do= cument and thinks it is ready for last call.
=C2=A0 shepherd Ulri= ch Wisser

draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-func-spec-00
=C2=A0 shepherd Ulrich Wisser

draft-ietf-epp= ext-idnmap-02
draft-gould-idn-table-02
draft-wilcox-cir= a-idn-eppext-00
=C2=A0 James Gould speaks on these drafts. idnmap= needs even idntables as to specify possible table name values.
= =C2=A0 Several of the documents are expired. Renewal is requested or will b= e directly after the meeting.
=C2=A0 Documents will become milest= ones in the new charter.
=C2=A0 wilcox will be retracted or moved= to epp-registry.

Jim Galvin presents a list of do= cuments currently in work and will be milestones=C2=A0
for the ne= w charter.

draft-gould-allocation-token
= =C2=A0 James Goulds speaks on the reasoning behind the extensions.
=C2=A0 Opposition to use AuthInfo for this purpose

draft-gould-change-poll
=C2=A0 James Gould speaks on the reaso= ning of the document.
=C2=A0 Clients get updates on changes to ob= jects through the poll queue.
=C2=A0=C2=A0
draft-gould-= epp-rdap-status-mapping
=C2=A0 James Gould presents on the reason= ing behind the draft.
=C2=A0 Comments from the room about the que= stion of standards track or informational

draft-zh= ou-eppext-reseller-mapping
draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-ext
=C2=A0 Ning Kong presents
=C2=A0 Discussions about need for RD= AP extension=C2=A0
=C2=A0 Registrar object suggested with support= in the room

draft-gould-eppext-verificationcode
draft-xie-eppext-nv-mapping
=C2=A0 James Gould presents= =C2=A0
=C2=A0 IPR disclosure

Discussion = about adoption of informational documents
=C2=A0 Hum only for no = objection

Discussion about documents to include in= working group
=C2=A0 - not draft from Alexander Mayerhofer
=
=C2=A0 - Jim proposes to divide docs in groups for the milestones
=C2=A0 - opposition and support for nv-mapping document
=C2= =A0 - Hum, no objections to milestones
=C2=A0 - charter presentat= ion and discussions
=C2=A0 - Several submissions to not broaden t= he scope of the group to all things ICANN

--
Ulrich Wisser
--001a1149086e825c1c0523c77cfc-- From nobody Thu Nov 5 01:43:32 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E08EF1A000E for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 01:43:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.151 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.151 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uI_2PyYVvtZg for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 01:43:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.zdns.cn (smtp.knet.cn [202.173.10.15]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 30B871A9086 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 01:43:22 -0800 (PST) X-TM-DID: 1d31ca97062edbd08e0593955b402a09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.1 \(3096.5\)) From: Declan Ma In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 17:42:05 +0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0101FBC0-248F-4560-9364-F023B901A959@zdns.cn> References: To: Ulrich Wisser X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) Archived-At: Cc: EppExt@ietf.org Subject: Re: [eppext] Minutes for our meeting in Yokohama IETF94 X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 09:43:29 -0000 Ulrich, It seems that there is an inconsistency between the minutes and jabber = chatting. According to the jabber,=20 rik.ribbers@jabber.sidn.nl: is the WG opposed to taken onboard Informational 4g6bdlv965tvtus6229@room413.conf.meetecho.com: hummmmm rik.ribbers@jabber.sidn.nl: yes silence no loud hummmm So, Discussion about adoption of informational documents =A1=B0Hum only for no objection=A1=B1 should be corrected to =A1=B0Hum = only for no, objection=A1=B1. Am I making sense here?=20 Shall we review the milestone that contains documents that is still = under discussion of adoption? Di MA ZDNS Ltd. http://en.zdns.cn > =D4=DA 2015=C4=EA11=D4=C25=C8=D5=A3=AC17:09=A3=ACUlrich Wisser = =D0=B4=B5=C0=A3=BA >=20 > Please find my minutes below. > Feedback is welcome! > /Ulrich >=20 >=20 > EPPEXT meeting at IETF94 Yokohama 2015-11-05 15:20-17:20 >=20 > Scott Hollenbeck and Ning Kong as interim chair > Both chairs Jim Galvin and Antoin Verschueren in remote participation >=20 > draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay > draft-eppext-tmch-smd > Both are through last call and AD Barry Leiba is currently = reviewing, response expected in the coming weeks. >=20 >=20 > draft-ietf-epppext-launchphase > Jim Gould updated the document and thinks it is ready for last call. > shepherd Ulrich Wisser >=20 > draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-func-spec-00 > shepherd Ulrich Wisser >=20 > draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap-02 > draft-gould-idn-table-02 > draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00 > James Gould speaks on these drafts. idnmap needs even idntables as = to specify possible table name values. > Several of the documents are expired. Renewal is requested or will = be directly after the meeting. > Documents will become milestones in the new charter. > wilcox will be retracted or moved to epp-registry. >=20 > Jim Galvin presents a list of documents currently in work and will be = milestones=20 > for the new charter. >=20 > draft-gould-allocation-token > James Goulds speaks on the reasoning behind the extensions. > Opposition to use AuthInfo for this purpose >=20 > draft-gould-change-poll > James Gould speaks on the reasoning of the document. > Clients get updates on changes to objects through the poll queue. > =20 > draft-gould-epp-rdap-status-mapping > James Gould presents on the reasoning behind the draft. > Comments from the room about the question of standards track or = informational >=20 > draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping > draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-ext > Ning Kong presents > Discussions about need for RDAP extension=20 > Registrar object suggested with support in the room >=20 > draft-gould-eppext-verificationcode > draft-xie-eppext-nv-mapping > James Gould presents=20 > IPR disclosure >=20 > Discussion about adoption of informational documents > Hum only for no objection >=20 > Discussion about documents to include in working group > - not draft from Alexander Mayerhofer > - Jim proposes to divide docs in groups for the milestones > - opposition and support for nv-mapping document > - Hum, no objections to milestones > - charter presentation and discussions > - Several submissions to not broaden the scope of the group to all = things ICANN >=20 > --=20 > Ulrich Wisser > ulrich@wisser.se > _______________________________________________ > EppExt mailing list > EppExt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext From nobody Thu Nov 5 02:06:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12331A92BB for ; 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boundary="Apple-Mail=_469D12B5-3E7B-43F9-983C-0911C3395453"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Ulrich Wisser , "EppExt@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eppext] Minutes for our meeting in Yokohama IETF94 X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 10:06:36 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_469D12B5-3E7B-43F9-983C-0911C3395453 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello Declan The conclusion for me is that there was no objection to work on = informational document in general by the working group. There was no = clear consensus on working on the informational verification draft James = Gould was presenting. As it is Thursday on the IETF (read: I am tired) I may be wrong, so feel = free to confirm or correct me. Gr, Rik > On 05 Nov 2015, at 18:42, Declan Ma wrote: >=20 > Ulrich, >=20 > It seems that there is an inconsistency between the minutes and = jabber chatting. >=20 > According to the jabber,=20 >=20 >=20 > rik.ribbers@jabber.sidn.nl: > is the WG opposed to taken onboard Informational > 4g6bdlv965tvtus6229@room413.conf.meetecho.com: > hummmmm > rik.ribbers@jabber.sidn.nl: > yes silence no loud hummmm >=20 >=20 > So, Discussion about adoption of informational documents >=20 > =E2=80=9CHum only for no objection=E2=80=9D should be corrected to = =E2=80=9CHum only for no, objection=E2=80=9D. >=20 >=20 > Am I making sense here?=20 >=20 > Shall we review the milestone that contains documents that is still = under discussion of adoption? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Di MA >=20 > ZDNS Ltd. >=20 > http://en.zdns.cn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> =E5=9C=A8 2015=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5=EF=BC=8C17:09=EF=BC=8CUlri= ch Wisser =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A >>=20 >> Please find my minutes below. >> Feedback is welcome! >> /Ulrich >>=20 >>=20 >> EPPEXT meeting at IETF94 Yokohama 2015-11-05 15:20-17:20 >>=20 >> Scott Hollenbeck and Ning Kong as interim chair >> Both chairs Jim Galvin and Antoin Verschueren in remote participation >>=20 >> draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay >> draft-eppext-tmch-smd >> Both are through last call and AD Barry Leiba is currently = reviewing, response expected in the coming weeks. >>=20 >>=20 >> draft-ietf-epppext-launchphase >> Jim Gould updated the document and thinks it is ready for last call. >> shepherd Ulrich Wisser >>=20 >> draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-func-spec-00 >> shepherd Ulrich Wisser >>=20 >> draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap-02 >> draft-gould-idn-table-02 >> draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00 >> James Gould speaks on these drafts. idnmap needs even idntables as = to specify possible table name values. >> Several of the documents are expired. Renewal is requested or will = be directly after the meeting. >> Documents will become milestones in the new charter. >> wilcox will be retracted or moved to epp-registry. >>=20 >> Jim Galvin presents a list of documents currently in work and will be = milestones=20 >> for the new charter. >>=20 >> draft-gould-allocation-token >> James Goulds speaks on the reasoning behind the extensions. >> Opposition to use AuthInfo for this purpose >>=20 >> draft-gould-change-poll >> James Gould speaks on the reasoning of the document. >> Clients get updates on changes to objects through the poll queue. >>=20 >> draft-gould-epp-rdap-status-mapping >> James Gould presents on the reasoning behind the draft. >> Comments from the room about the question of standards track or = informational >>=20 >> draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping >> draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-ext >> Ning Kong presents >> Discussions about need for RDAP extension=20 >> Registrar object suggested with support in the room >>=20 >> draft-gould-eppext-verificationcode >> draft-xie-eppext-nv-mapping >> James Gould presents=20 >> IPR disclosure >>=20 >> Discussion about adoption of informational documents >> Hum only for no objection >>=20 >> Discussion about documents to include in working group >> - not draft from Alexander Mayerhofer >> - Jim proposes to divide docs in groups for the milestones >> - opposition and support for nv-mapping document >> - Hum, no objections to milestones >> - charter presentation and discussions >> - Several submissions to not broaden the scope of the group to all = things ICANN >>=20 >> --=20 >> Ulrich Wisser >> ulrich@wisser.se >> _______________________________________________ >> EppExt mailing list >> EppExt@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext >=20 > _______________________________________________ > EppExt mailing list > EppExt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext --Apple-Mail=_469D12B5-3E7B-43F9-983C-0911C3395453 Content-Disposition: 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= Dear Ulrich,
Thanks for the hardwork for taking mee= ting minutes. However, I feel that two points may be missed.
1. = We have hum for adopting informational drafts in WG charter, but to the pa= rticular two drafts of verification signedcode and nv document, the WG see= ms having no clear cosensus on adopting them. Although it showed up in the= milestone slide.
=0A
2. I recalled my memory that several people= have comments on nv draft and it seems not be fully supported. Minutes do= es not include these records.

I'll try to confirm= by listening to the recordings again. 

Rega= rds,
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Linlin Zhou
=0A<= blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.5e= m;">
 
Date:&nb= sp;2015-11-05 17:09
To: EppExt
Subject: [eppext] Minutes for= our meeting in Yokohama IETF94
Please find my minutes below.<= /div>
Feedback is welcome!
/Ulrich

=
EPPEXT meeting at IETF94 Yokohama 2015-11-05 15:20-17:20

Scott Hollenbeck and Ning Kong as interim chair
Both chairs Jim Galvin and Antoin Verschueren in remote participati= on

draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay
draft-epp= ext-tmch-smd
  Both are through last call and AD Barry Leib= a is currently reviewing, response expected in the coming weeks.


draft-ietf-epppext-launchphase
&n= bsp; Jim Gould updated the document and thinks it is ready for last call.<= /div>
  shepherd Ulrich Wisser

draft-iet= f-eppext-tmch-func-spec-00
  shepherd Ulrich Wisser

draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap-02
draft-gould-idn-ta= ble-02
draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00
  James Go= uld speaks on these drafts. idnmap needs even idntables as to specify poss= ible table name values.
  Several of the documents are expi= red. Renewal is requested or will be directly after the meeting.
  Documents will become milestones in the new charter.
&nb= sp; wilcox will be retracted or moved to epp-registry.

Jim Galvin presents a list of documents currently in work and will b= e milestones 
for the new charter.

draft-gould-allocation-token
  James Goulds speaks on the = reasoning behind the extensions.
  Opposition to use AuthIn= fo for this purpose

draft-gould-change-poll
=
  James Gould speaks on the reasoning of the document.
  Clients get updates on changes to objects through the poll queue.<= /div>
  
draft-gould-epp-rdap-status-mapping
=
  James Gould presents on the reasoning behind the draft.
<= div>  Comments from the room about the question of standards track or= informational

draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping=
draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-ext
  Ning Kong prese= nts
  Discussions about need for RDAP extension 
=
  Registrar object suggested with support in the room
=
draft-gould-eppext-verificationcode
draft-xie-epp= ext-nv-mapping
  James Gould presents 
 = ; IPR disclosure

Discussion about adoption of inf= ormational documents
  Hum only for no objection
=
Discussion about documents to include in working group
  - not draft from Alexander Mayerhofer
  - Jim = proposes to divide docs in groups for the milestones
  - op= position and support for nv-mapping document
  - Hum, no ob= jections to milestones
  - charter presentation and discuss= ions
  - Several submissions to not broaden the scope of th= e group to all things ICANN

-- =
Ulrich Wisser
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=0A ------=_001_NextPart776061663086_=------ From nobody Thu Nov 5 02:52:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B121ACDA0 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 02:52:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.212 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.212 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M2hNyTByHMyg for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 02:51:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnnic.cn (smtp13.cnnic.cn [218.241.118.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B231B1ACDAE for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 02:51:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from zll (unknown [218.241.111.73]) by ocmail02.zx.nicx.cn (Coremail) with SMTP id AQAAf0ApMDjJNDtWhWpvBg--.13936S2; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 18:51:54 +0800 (CST) From: "Linlin Zhou" To: "'Rik Ribbers'" , "'Declan Ma'" References: <0101FBC0-248F-4560-9364-F023B901A959@zdns.cn> <38638B99-20DF-40B3-B431-36ECFE27485F@sidn.nl> In-Reply-To: <38638B99-20DF-40B3-B431-36ECFE27485F@sidn.nl> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 18:52:28 +0800 Message-ID: <157c01d117b8$10c8ee40$325acac0$@cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AQHRF6m/rAvehStPRk6QhO2K+qk4CZ6NHF6AgAAG1ICAAB0TMA== Content-Language: zh-cn X-CM-TRANSID: AQAAf0ApMDjJNDtWhWpvBg--.13936S2 X-Coremail-Antispam: 1UD129KBjDUn29KB7ZKAUJUUUUU529EdanIXcx71UUUUU7v73 VFW2AGmfu7bjvjm3AaLaJ3UjIYCTnIWjp_UUUY17k0a2IF6ryUM7kC6x804xWl14x267AK xVWUJVW8JwAFc2x0x2IEx4CE42xK8VAvwI8IcIk0rVWrJVCq3wAFIxvE14AKwVWUJVWUGw A2ocxC64kIII0Yj41l84x0c7CEw4AK67xGY2AK021l84ACjcxK6xIIjxv20xvE14v26r1j 6r1xM28EF7xvwVC0I7IYx2IY6xkF7I0E14v26r1j6r4UM28EF7xvwVC2z280aVAFwI0_Gc CE3s1l84ACjcxK6I8E87Iv6xkF7I0E14v26rxl6s0DM2AIxVAIcxkEcVAq07x20xvEncxI r21l5I8CrVACY4xI64kE6c02F40Ex7xfMcIj6xIIjxv20xvE14v26r1j6r18McIj6I8E87 Iv67AKxVWUJVW8JwAm72CE4IkC6x0Yz7v_Jr0_Gr1lF7xvr2IYc2Ij64vIr41lc2xSY4AK 67AK6r4DMxAIw28IcxkI7VAKI48JMxC20s026xCaFVCjc4AY6r1j6r4UMI8I3I0E5I8CrV AFwI0_Jr0_Jr4lx2IqxVCjr7xvwVAFwI0_JrI_JrWlx4CE17CEb7AF67AKxVWUAVWUtwCI c40Y0x0EwIxGrwCI42IY6xIIjxv20xvE14v26r1j6r1xMIIF0xvE2Ix0cI8IcVCY1x0267 AKxVWUJVW8JwCI42IY6xAIw20EY4v20xvaj40_Wr1j6rW3Jr1lIxAIcVC2z280aVAFwI0_ Jr0_Gr1lIxAIcVC2z280aVCY1x0267AKxVWUJVW8JbIYCTnIWIevJa73UjIFyTuYvj4Ry8 9KDUUUU X-CM-SenderInfo: p2kr3zplqox0w6fq0xffof0/ Archived-At: Cc: 'Ulrich Wisser' , EppExt@ietf.org Subject: Re: [eppext] Minutes for our meeting in Yokohama IETF94 X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 10:52:04 -0000 Hi Rik, > The conclusion for me is that there was no objection to work on = informational > document in general by the working group. There was no clear consensus = on > working on the informational verification draft James Gould was = presenting. >=20 +1 > As it is Thursday on the IETF (read: I am tired) I may be wrong, so = feel free to > confirm or correct me. >=20 I have the same conclusion. > Gr, > Rik >=20 Regards, Linlin From nobody Thu Nov 5 04:12:23 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F088B1AD072 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 04:12:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.686 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.686 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_64=0.6, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NRb2-e9oREyc for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 04:12:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from arn2-kamx.sidn.nl (kamx.sidn.nl [IPv6:2a00:d78:0:147:94:198:152:69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF1C11AD06C for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 04:12:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; d=sidn.nl; s=sidn-nl; c=relaxed/relaxed; h=from:to:cc:subject:thread-topic:thread-index:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to:accept-language:content-language:x-ms-has-attach:x-ms-tnef-correlator:x-mailer:x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader:x-originating-ip:content-type:mime-version; bh=Yv1H9wG8HKOJ2jnGOAyJGoOVEIY15bN4hJaqeAWXi6k=; b=wXCcHtfdFBEWAX6vS3cVZ3EN2mdvoTguTFPPiJamVgenv9JaweJeY4n6ffARH30VWoaKzZmP+1FDa0lKfMBurgcYe34RNhDchHWjFb53uPcRRLyx+86Mf5jj/RaEyiKe+MnZ/AYXGVywpSklrF3HfHAA5HHi2sg7o+/CMjwg3oDlxMRax9Z8oVPE9pJUPLRkR4MqkIwlcumU5wIoEnuOCwxNHOXJWwjuQEO95iE3qhf+Ek3KLpRGGXTpRIYPtLG7jZiU39WuKqFMBoxXTZ9dpcpPTS1FSwTTwO0KpzV0AcEzufaFpMaxGF3uuX9EfjC4IVqUEO/yqFUdi2ANBa0YzA== Received: from ka-mbx02.SIDN.local ([192.168.2.178]) by arn2-kamx.sidn.nl with ESMTP id tA5CCFYW007564-tA5CCFYY007564 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=CAFAIL); Thu, 5 Nov 2015 13:12:15 +0100 Received: from ka-mbx02.SIDN.local (192.168.2.178) by ka-mbx02.SIDN.local (192.168.2.178) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1076.9; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 13:12:18 +0100 Received: from ka-mbx02.SIDN.local ([fe80::9855:369a:1ca4:6549]) by ka-mbx02.SIDN.local ([fe80::9855:369a:1ca4:6549%13]) with mapi id 15.00.1076.000; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 13:12:18 +0100 From: Rik Ribbers To: "xiejiagui@teleinfo.cn" Thread-Topic: [eppext] Minutes for our meeting in Yokohama IETF94 Thread-Index: AQHRF8M3SrZcheFRSEipy2G047HmYQ== Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 12:12:18 +0000 Message-ID: References: <0101FBC0-248F-4560-9364-F023B901A959@zdns.cn> <38638B99-20DF-40B3-B431-36ECFE27485F@sidn.nl> <2015110519525639913345@teleinfo.cn> In-Reply-To: <2015110519525639913345@teleinfo.cn> Accept-Language: nl-NL, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.168.4.205] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F274721B-68D2-4A97-A4A9-260988D9C419"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Ulrich Wisser , Declan Ma , eppext Subject: Re: [eppext] Minutes for our meeting in Yokohama IETF94 X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 12:12:22 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F274721B-68D2-4A97-A4A9-260988D9C419 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E1C387AC-DE63-4C6B-8441-2A6CDE7E7241" --Apple-Mail=_E1C387AC-DE63-4C6B-8441-2A6CDE7E7241 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello Jiagui, I see your point. I am a horrible jabber scribe=E2=80=A6.I missed that = remark by Jim Galvin completely.=20 @Chairs: Can you make a clear statement on the list to either confirm or = decline my interpretation about the verification drafts being adopted or = not.=20 Gr, Rik > On 05 Nov 2015, at 20:52, xiejiagui@teleinfo.cn wrote: >=20 > Hello Rik, > Let me post the messages from the Jabber: > > >=20 > Jim Galvin(JimG?) has confirmed this .=20 >=20 > We do think it's useful to discuss this draft in the WG, and any = comments about this draft are welcome. >=20 >=20 > Kind regards, > Jiagui Xie > =20 > From: Rik Ribbers > Date: 2015-11-05 18:06 > To: Declan Ma > CC: Ulrich Wisser ; EppExt@ietf.org = > Subject: Re: [eppext] Minutes for our meeting in Yokohama IETF94 > Hello Declan > =20 > The conclusion for me is that there was no objection to work on = informational document in general by the working group. There was no = clear consensus on working on the informational verification draft James = Gould was presenting. > =20 > As it is Thursday on the IETF (read: I am tired) I may be wrong, so = feel free to confirm or correct me. > =20 > Gr, > Rik > =20 > > On 05 Nov 2015, at 18:42, Declan Ma > wrote: > >=20 > > Ulrich, > >=20 > > It seems that there is an inconsistency between the minutes and = jabber chatting. > >=20 > > According to the jabber,=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > rik.ribbers@jabber.sidn.nl : > > is the WG opposed to taken onboard Informational > > 4g6bdlv965tvtus6229@room413.conf.meetecho.com = : > > hummmmm > > rik.ribbers@jabber.sidn.nl : > > yes silence no loud hummmm > >=20 > >=20 > > So, Discussion about adoption of informational documents > >=20 > > =E2=80=9CHum only for no objection=E2=80=9D should be corrected to = =E2=80=9CHum only for no, objection=E2=80=9D. > >=20 > >=20 > > Am I making sense here?=20 > >=20 > > Shall we review the milestone that contains documents that is still = under discussion of adoption? > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Di MA > >=20 > > ZDNS Ltd. > >=20 > > http://en.zdns.cn > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >> =E5=9C=A8 2015=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5=EF=BC=8C17:09=EF=BC=8CUl= rich Wisser > =E5=86=99=E9=81=93= =EF=BC=9A > >>=20 > >> Please find my minutes below. > >> Feedback is welcome! > >> /Ulrich > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> EPPEXT meeting at IETF94 Yokohama 2015-11-05 15:20-17:20 > >>=20 > >> Scott Hollenbeck and Ning Kong as interim chair > >> Both chairs Jim Galvin and Antoin Verschueren in remote = participation > >>=20 > >> draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay > >> draft-eppext-tmch-smd > >> Both are through last call and AD Barry Leiba is currently = reviewing, response expected in the coming weeks. > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> draft-ietf-epppext-launchphase > >> Jim Gould updated the document and thinks it is ready for last = call. > >> shepherd Ulrich Wisser > >>=20 > >> draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-func-spec-00 > >> shepherd Ulrich Wisser > >>=20 > >> draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap-02 > >> draft-gould-idn-table-02 > >> draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00 > >> James Gould speaks on these drafts. idnmap needs even idntables as = to specify possible table name values. > >> Several of the documents are expired. Renewal is requested or will = be directly after the meeting. > >> Documents will become milestones in the new charter. > >> wilcox will be retracted or moved to epp-registry. > >>=20 > >> Jim Galvin presents a list of documents currently in work and will = be milestones=20 > >> for the new charter. > >>=20 > >> draft-gould-allocation-token > >> James Goulds speaks on the reasoning behind the extensions. > >> Opposition to use AuthInfo for this purpose > >>=20 > >> draft-gould-change-poll > >> James Gould speaks on the reasoning of the document. > >> Clients get updates on changes to objects through the poll queue. > >>=20 > >> draft-gould-epp-rdap-status-mapping > >> James Gould presents on the reasoning behind the draft. > >> Comments from the room about the question of standards track or = informational > >>=20 > >> draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping > >> draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-ext > >> Ning Kong presents > >> Discussions about need for RDAP extension=20 > >> Registrar object suggested with support in the room > >>=20 > >> draft-gould-eppext-verificationcode > >> draft-xie-eppext-nv-mapping > >> James Gould presents=20 > >> IPR disclosure > >>=20 > >> Discussion about adoption of informational documents > >> Hum only for no objection > >>=20 > >> Discussion about documents to include in working group > >> - not draft from Alexander Mayerhofer > >> - Jim proposes to divide docs in groups for the milestones > >> - opposition and support for nv-mapping document > >> - Hum, no objections to milestones > >> - charter presentation and discussions > >> - Several submissions to not broaden the scope of the group to all = things ICANN > >>=20 > >> --=20 > >> Ulrich Wisser > >> ulrich@wisser.se > >> _______________________________________________ > >> EppExt mailing list > >> EppExt@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext = > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > EppExt mailing list > > EppExt@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext = > =20 > =20 > =20 > _______________________________________________ > EppExt mailing list > EppExt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext = --Apple-Mail=_E1C387AC-DE63-4C6B-8441-2A6CDE7E7241 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hello Jiagui,

I see your point. I am a horrible = jabber scribe=E2=80=A6.I missed that remark by Jim Galvin = completely. 

@Chairs: Can you make a clear statement on the list to either = confirm or decline my interpretation about the verification drafts being = adopted or not. 

Gr,
Rik


On 05 Nov 2015, at 20:52, xiejiagui@teleinfo.cn= wrote:

Hello Rik,
Let me post the messages from the = Jabber:
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Jim = Galvin(JimG?) has confirmed  this . 

We do = think it's useful to discuss this draft in the WG, and any comments about this draft are = welcome.


Kind = regards,
Jiagui Xie
 
From: Rik Ribbers
Date: 2015-11-05 18:06
To: Declan Ma
CC: Ulrich Wisser; EppExt@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [eppext] Minutes for our = meeting in Yokohama IETF94
Hello Declan
 
The conclusion for me is that there was no objection to work = on informational document in general by the working group. There was no = clear consensus on working on the informational verification draft James = Gould was presenting.
 
As = it is Thursday on the IETF (read: I am tired) I may be wrong, so feel = free to confirm or correct me.
 
Gr,
Rik
 
> On 05 Nov 2015, at 18:42, = Declan Ma <madi@zdns.cn> wrote:
> 
> = Ulrich,
> 
> = It seems that there is an inconsistency  between the minutes and = jabber chatting.
> 
> = According to the jabber, 
> 
> 
> rik.ribbers@jabber.sidn.nl:
> is = the WG opposed to taken onboard Informational
> 4g6bdlv965tvtus6229@room413.conf.meetecho.com:
> hummmmm
> rik.ribbers@jabber.sidn.nl:
> yes = silence no loud hummmm
> 
> 
> = So, Discussion about adoption of informational documents
> 
> = =E2=80=9CHum only for no objection=E2=80=9D should be corrected to = =E2=80=9CHum only for no, objection=E2=80=9D.
> 
> 
> = Am I making sense here? 
> 
> = Shall we review the milestone that contains documents that is still = under discussion of adoption?
> 
> 
> 
> = Di MA
> 
> = ZDNS Ltd.
> 
> http://en.zdns.cn
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> =E5=9C=A8 2015=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5=EF=BC=8C1= 7:09=EF=BC=8CUlrich Wisser <ulrich@wisser.se> =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
>> 
>> Please find my minutes below.
>> Feedback is welcome!
>> = /Ulrich
>> 
>> 
>> EPPEXT meeting at IETF94 Yokohama 2015-11-05 = 15:20-17:20
>> 
>> Scott Hollenbeck and Ning Kong as interim = chair
>> Both chairs Jim Galvin and Antoin = Verschueren in remote participation
>> 
>> draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay
>> draft-eppext-tmch-smd
>>  Both are through last call and AD Barry Leiba = is currently reviewing, response expected in the coming weeks.
>> 
>> 
>> draft-ietf-epppext-launchphase
>>  Jim Gould updated the document and thinks it = is ready for last call.
>>  shepherd = Ulrich Wisser
>> 
>> draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-func-spec-00
>>  shepherd Ulrich Wisser
>> 
>> draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap-02
>> draft-gould-idn-table-02
>>= draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00
>>  = James Gould speaks on these drafts. idnmap needs even idntables as to = specify possible table name values.
>>  = Several of the documents are expired. Renewal is requested or will be = directly after the meeting.
>>  = Documents will become milestones in the new charter.
>>  wilcox will be retracted or moved to = epp-registry.
>> 
>> Jim Galvin presents a list of documents currently in = work and will be milestones 
>> for the new charter.
>> 
>> draft-gould-allocation-token
>>  James Goulds speaks on the reasoning behind = the extensions.
>>  Opposition to use = AuthInfo for this purpose
>> 
>> draft-gould-change-poll
>>  James Gould speaks on the reasoning of the = document.
>>  Clients get updates on = changes to objects through the poll queue.
>> 
>> draft-gould-epp-rdap-status-mapping
>>  James Gould presents on the reasoning behind = the draft.
>>  Comments from the room = about the question of standards track or informational
>> 
>> draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping
>> draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-ext
>>  Ning Kong presents
>>  Discussions about need for RDAP extension 
>>  Registrar object suggested with support in the = room
>> 
>> draft-gould-eppext-verificationcode
>> draft-xie-eppext-nv-mapping
>>  James Gould presents 
>>  IPR disclosure
>> 
>> Discussion about adoption of informational = documents
>>  Hum only for no = objection
>> 
>> Discussion about documents to include in working = group
>>  - not draft from Alexander = Mayerhofer
>>  - Jim proposes to divide = docs in groups for the milestones
>>  - = opposition and support for nv-mapping document
>>  - Hum, no objections to milestones
>>  - charter presentation and = discussions
>>  - Several submissions to = not broaden the scope of the group to all things ICANN
>> 
>> -- 
>> Ulrich Wisser
>> ulrich@wisser.se
>> = _______________________________________________
>> EppExt mailing list
>> EppExt@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext
> 
> = _______________________________________________
> = EppExt mailing list
> EppExt@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext
 
 
 
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boundary="Apple-Mail=_3307F716-6F9D-4847-A184-3CAB7FD1B0CF"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [eppext] Minutes for our meeting in Yokohama IETF94 X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 13:08:15 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3307F716-6F9D-4847-A184-3CAB7FD1B0CF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1E4A585C-FF56-4633-996F-28932883741B" --Apple-Mail=_1E4A585C-FF56-4633-996F-28932883741B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello Jiagui, I=E2=80=99m focussing now on getting the right information in the = proceedings of the meeting as long as we have it fresh in our minds. So = I=E2=80=99m not going to comment (yet) on my personal opinion on = adopting the documents. I will do that later (actually when I=E2=80=99ve = read the NV draft which I have not read completely)=20 Gr, Rik=20 > On 05 Nov 2015, at 21:40, xiejiagui@teleinfo.cn wrote: >=20 > Hi Rik, >=20 > Thanks for the effort and contribution.=20 >=20 > I think we do not need a rule to say that only standard ones can be = adopted by the WG. > Since here in IETF, we discuss the technical solutions which may = commonly be used. > And we hope to improve the solution, through the discussion. >=20 > Take the two documents into consideration, they are mainly focus on = one thing.=20 > So both of the them discussed togther are useful to the "Verification = regulations" topics. >=20 > Kind regards, > Jiagui Xie > From: Rik Ribbers > Date: 2015-11-05 20:12 > To: xiejiagui@teleinfo.cn > CC: Ulrich Wisser ; Declan Ma = ; eppext > Subject: Re: [eppext] Minutes for our meeting in Yokohama IETF94 > Hello Jiagui, >=20 > I see your point. I am a horrible jabber scribe=E2=80=A6.I missed that = remark by Jim Galvin completely.=20 >=20 > @Chairs: Can you make a clear statement on the list to either confirm = or decline my interpretation about the verification drafts being adopted = or not.=20 >=20 > Gr, > Rik >=20 >=20 >> On 05 Nov 2015, at 20:52, xiejiagui@teleinfo.cn = wrote: >>=20 >> Hello Rik, >> Let me post the messages from the Jabber: >> >> >>=20 >> Jim Galvin(JimG?) has confirmed this .=20 >>=20 >> We do think it's useful to discuss this draft in the WG, and any = comments about this draft are welcome. >>=20 >>=20 >> Kind regards, >> Jiagui Xie >> =20 >> From: Rik Ribbers >> Date: 2015-11-05 18:06 >> To: Declan Ma >> CC: Ulrich Wisser ; EppExt@ietf.org = >> Subject: Re: [eppext] Minutes for our meeting in Yokohama IETF94 >> Hello Declan >> =20 >> The conclusion for me is that there was no objection to work on = informational document in general by the working group. There was no = clear consensus on working on the informational verification draft James = Gould was presenting. >> =20 >> As it is Thursday on the IETF (read: I am tired) I may be wrong, so = feel free to confirm or correct me. >> =20 >> Gr, >> Rik >> =20 >> > On 05 Nov 2015, at 18:42, Declan Ma > wrote: >> >=20 >> > Ulrich, >> >=20 >> > It seems that there is an inconsistency between the minutes and = jabber chatting. >> >=20 >> > According to the jabber,=20 >> >=20 >> >=20 >> > rik.ribbers@jabber.sidn.nl : >> > is the WG opposed to taken onboard Informational >> > 4g6bdlv965tvtus6229@room413.conf.meetecho.com = : >> > hummmmm >> > rik.ribbers@jabber.sidn.nl : >> > yes silence no loud hummmm >> >=20 >> >=20 >> > So, Discussion about adoption of informational documents >> >=20 >> > =E2=80=9CHum only for no objection=E2=80=9D should be corrected to = =E2=80=9CHum only for no, objection=E2=80=9D. >> >=20 >> >=20 >> > Am I making sense here?=20 >> >=20 >> > Shall we review the milestone that contains documents that is still = under discussion of adoption? >> >=20 >> >=20 >> >=20 >> > Di MA >> >=20 >> > ZDNS Ltd. >> >=20 >> > http://en.zdns.cn >> >=20 >> >=20 >> >=20 >> >=20 >> >> =E5=9C=A8 2015=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5=EF=BC=8C17:09=EF=BC=8CU= lrich Wisser > =E5=86=99=E9=81=93= =EF=BC=9A >> >>=20 >> >> Please find my minutes below. >> >> Feedback is welcome! >> >> /Ulrich >> >>=20 >> >>=20 >> >> EPPEXT meeting at IETF94 Yokohama 2015-11-05 15:20-17:20 >> >>=20 >> >> Scott Hollenbeck and Ning Kong as interim chair >> >> Both chairs Jim Galvin and Antoin Verschueren in remote = participation >> >>=20 >> >> draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay >> >> draft-eppext-tmch-smd >> >> Both are through last call and AD Barry Leiba is currently = reviewing, response expected in the coming weeks. >> >>=20 >> >>=20 >> >> draft-ietf-epppext-launchphase >> >> Jim Gould updated the document and thinks it is ready for last = call. >> >> shepherd Ulrich Wisser >> >>=20 >> >> draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-func-spec-00 >> >> shepherd Ulrich Wisser >> >>=20 >> >> draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap-02 >> >> draft-gould-idn-table-02 >> >> draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00 >> >> James Gould speaks on these drafts. idnmap needs even idntables = as to specify possible table name values. >> >> Several of the documents are expired. Renewal is requested or = will be directly after the meeting. >> >> Documents will become milestones in the new charter. >> >> wilcox will be retracted or moved to epp-registry. >> >>=20 >> >> Jim Galvin presents a list of documents currently in work and will = be milestones=20 >> >> for the new charter. >> >>=20 >> >> draft-gould-allocation-token >> >> James Goulds speaks on the reasoning behind the extensions. >> >> Opposition to use AuthInfo for this purpose >> >>=20 >> >> draft-gould-change-poll >> >> James Gould speaks on the reasoning of the document. >> >> Clients get updates on changes to objects through the poll queue. >> >>=20 >> >> draft-gould-epp-rdap-status-mapping >> >> James Gould presents on the reasoning behind the draft. >> >> Comments from the room about the question of standards track or = informational >> >>=20 >> >> draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping >> >> draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-ext >> >> Ning Kong presents >> >> Discussions about need for RDAP extension=20 >> >> Registrar object suggested with support in the room >> >>=20 >> >> draft-gould-eppext-verificationcode >> >> draft-xie-eppext-nv-mapping >> >> James Gould presents=20 >> >> IPR disclosure >> >>=20 >> >> Discussion about adoption of informational documents >> >> Hum only for no objection >> >>=20 >> >> Discussion about documents to include in working group >> >> - not draft from Alexander Mayerhofer >> >> - Jim proposes to divide docs in groups for the milestones >> >> - opposition and support for nv-mapping document >> >> - Hum, no objections to milestones >> >> - charter presentation and discussions >> >> - Several submissions to not broaden the scope of the group to = all things ICANN >> >>=20 >> >> --=20 >> >> Ulrich Wisser >> >> ulrich@wisser.se >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> EppExt mailing list >> >> EppExt@ietf.org >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext = >> >=20 >> > _______________________________________________ >> > EppExt mailing list >> > EppExt@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext = >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> _______________________________________________ >> EppExt mailing list >> EppExt@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext = --Apple-Mail=_1E4A585C-FF56-4633-996F-28932883741B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hello Jiagui,

I=E2=80=99m focussing now on getting = the right information in the proceedings of the meeting as long as we = have it fresh in our minds. So I=E2=80=99m not going to comment (yet) on = my personal opinion on adopting the documents. I will do that later = (actually when I=E2=80=99ve read the NV draft which I have not read = completely) 

Gr,
Rik 


On 05 Nov 2015, at 21:40, xiejiagui@teleinfo.cn= wrote:

Hi Rik,

Thanks for the effort and contribution. 

I think we do not need a rule to say that only standard ones = can be adopted by the WG.
Since here in IETF, we = discuss the technical solutions which = may commonly  be = used.
And we hope to = improve the solution, = through the = discussion.

Take the two = documents into consideration, they are mainly focus on one = thing. 
So both of the them  discussed togther are useful to the = "Verification regulations"  topics.

Kind regards,
Jiagui = Xie
From: Rik Ribbers
Date: 2015-11-05 20:12
To: xiejiagui@teleinfo.cn
CC: Ulrich Wisser; Declan Ma; eppext
Subject: Re: [eppext] Minutes for our = meeting in Yokohama IETF94
Hello = Jiagui,

I see = your point. I am a horrible jabber scribe=E2=80=A6.I missed that remark = by Jim Galvin completely. 

@Chairs: Can you make a clear statement = on the list to either confirm or decline my interpretation about the = verification drafts being adopted or not. 

Gr,
Rik


On 05 Nov 2015, at 20:52, xiejiagui@teleinfo.cn wrote:

Hello = Rik,
Let me post the messages from the Jabber:
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Jim Galvin(JimG?) = has confirmed  this . 

We do think it's = useful to discuss this draft in the WG, and any comments about this draft are = welcome.


Kind = regards,
Jiagui = Xie
 
From: Rik Ribbers
Date: 2015-11-05 18:06
To: Declan Ma
CC: Ulrich Wisser; EppExt@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [eppext] Minutes for our = meeting in Yokohama IETF94
Hello Declan
 
The conclusion for me is that there was no objection to work = on informational document in general by the working group. There was no = clear consensus on working on the informational verification draft James = Gould was presenting.
 
As = it is Thursday on the IETF (read: I am tired) I may be wrong, so feel = free to confirm or correct me.
 
Gr,
Rik
 
> On 05 Nov 2015, at 18:42, = Declan Ma <madi@zdns.cn> wrote:
> 
> = Ulrich,
> 
> = It seems that there is an inconsistency  between the minutes and = jabber chatting.
> 
> = According to the jabber, 
> 
> 
> rik.ribbers@jabber.sidn.nl:
> is = the WG opposed to taken onboard Informational
> 4g6bdlv965tvtus6229@room413.conf.meetecho.com:
> hummmmm
> rik.ribbers@jabber.sidn.nl:
> yes = silence no loud hummmm
> 
> 
> = So, Discussion about adoption of informational documents
> 
> = =E2=80=9CHum only for no objection=E2=80=9D should be corrected to = =E2=80=9CHum only for no, objection=E2=80=9D.
> 
> 
> = Am I making sense here? 
> 
> = Shall we review the milestone that contains documents that is still = under discussion of adoption?
> 
> 
> 
> = Di MA
> 
> = ZDNS Ltd.
> 
> http://en.zdns.cn
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> =E5=9C=A8 2015=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5=EF=BC=8C1= 7:09=EF=BC=8CUlrich Wisser <ulrich@wisser.se> =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
>> 
>> Please find my minutes below.
>> Feedback is welcome!
>> = /Ulrich
>> 
>> 
>> EPPEXT meeting at IETF94 Yokohama 2015-11-05 = 15:20-17:20
>> 
>> Scott Hollenbeck and Ning Kong as interim = chair
>> Both chairs Jim Galvin and Antoin = Verschueren in remote participation
>> 
>> draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay
>> draft-eppext-tmch-smd
>>  Both are through last call and AD Barry Leiba = is currently reviewing, response expected in the coming weeks.
>> 
>> 
>> draft-ietf-epppext-launchphase
>>  Jim Gould updated the document and thinks it = is ready for last call.
>>  shepherd = Ulrich Wisser
>> 
>> draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-func-spec-00
>>  shepherd Ulrich Wisser
>> 
>> draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap-02
>> draft-gould-idn-table-02
>>= draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext-00
>>  = James Gould speaks on these drafts. idnmap needs even idntables as to = specify possible table name values.
>>  = Several of the documents are expired. Renewal is requested or will be = directly after the meeting.
>>  = Documents will become milestones in the new charter.
>>  wilcox will be retracted or moved to = epp-registry.
>> 
>> Jim Galvin presents a list of documents currently in = work and will be milestones 
>> for the new charter.
>> 
>> draft-gould-allocation-token
>>  James Goulds speaks on the reasoning behind = the extensions.
>>  Opposition to use = AuthInfo for this purpose
>> 
>> draft-gould-change-poll
>>  James Gould speaks on the reasoning of the = document.
>>  Clients get updates on = changes to objects through the poll queue.
>> 
>> draft-gould-epp-rdap-status-mapping
>>  James Gould presents on the reasoning behind = the draft.
>>  Comments from the room = about the question of standards track or informational
>> 
>> draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping
>> draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-ext
>>  Ning Kong presents
>>  Discussions about need for RDAP extension 
>>  Registrar object suggested with support in the = room
>> 
>> draft-gould-eppext-verificationcode
>> draft-xie-eppext-nv-mapping
>>  James Gould presents 
>>  IPR disclosure
>> 
>> Discussion about adoption of informational = documents
>>  Hum only for no = objection
>> 
>> Discussion about documents to include in working = group
>>  - not draft from Alexander = Mayerhofer
>>  - Jim proposes to divide = docs in groups for the milestones
>>  - = opposition and support for nv-mapping document
>>  - Hum, no objections to milestones
>>  - charter presentation and = discussions
>>  - Several submissions to = not broaden the scope of the group to all things ICANN
>> 
>> -- 
>> Ulrich Wisser
>> ulrich@wisser.se
>> = _______________________________________________
>> EppExt mailing list
>> EppExt@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext
> 
> = _______________________________________________
> = EppExt mailing list
> EppExt@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext
 
 
 
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James" , "eppext@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [eppext] Working Group Last call for draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase Thread-Index: AQHRF80jHe9kVV2nNEO/iV2d8gUN9J6NXj6A Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 13:38:57 +0000 Message-ID: References: <563A6547.40308@elistx.com> <3C657106-B3AB-40E3-B145-47B1208A481D@verisign.com> In-Reply-To: <3C657106-B3AB-40E3-B145-47B1208A481D@verisign.com> Accept-Language: nl-NL, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.168.4.205] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_497147C1-22BD-45EF-9CF7-29D8A7F279EB"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [eppext] Working Group Last call for draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 13:39:01 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_497147C1-22BD-45EF-9CF7-29D8A7F279EB Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C1B68AA2-7486-49D8-9975-BB0B7E094F30" --Apple-Mail=_C1B68AA2-7486-49D8-9975-BB0B7E094F30 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Jim, Thx for digging this up. This is not a big deal for me but I think this = could be clarified in the draft. It might help those people who pick up = the document right now and start implementing it. My proposal is: Let the document move on and if for another reason a new = version is needed consider adding the few words for clarification. Gr, Rik =20 > On 05 Nov 2015, at 22:23, Gould, James wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > For some reason I didn=E2=80=99t see Rik=E2=80=99s latest posting ( = http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eppext/UvQWpcfS3aDkO3ccksT9X0N6EbI = = ). =20 >=20 > I replied to the original launchphase + domain check thread with the = following ( = http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eppext/uFAkm8HsumOmN6SOMOFNSJg3s5o = = ):=20 > We also support the standard check form for all launch phases. The = launchphase draft extends the domain mapping to define new forms of = checks targeted for the launch phases, but there is no intent to = disallow the use of the standard availability check defined in the = domain mapping. >=20 > Considering that this is an extension, it is additive to what it = extends. There is nothing in the draft that is meant to change the = behavior of the vanilla availability check as defined in RFC 5731. I = don=E2=80=99t see the need to add clarifying text on what happens when = the extension is not used, since the extension only defines what happens = when the extension is used. If the WG agrees that the proposed = clarifying text is necessary it can be added. =20 >=20 > Feedback is welcome. =20 >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > =E2=80=94 >=20 > JG >=20 >=20 > >=20 > James Gould > Distinguished Engineer > jgould@Verisign.com >=20 > 703-948-3271 > 12061 Bluemont Way > Reston, VA 20190 >=20 > VerisignInc.com >> On Nov 4, 2015, at 3:06 PM, James Galvin > wrote: >>=20 >> This issue raised by Rik Ribbers has not been addressed by the = working group. Would the authors, and any one from the working group = please comment? Rik's suggestion seems reasonable to me but I would = like to see confirmation from the authors. >>=20 >> With this suggestion address this document is ready to move forward. = However, it is dependent on draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-func-spec/, so I'd = like to hold it in the working group and submit these two documents = together. >>=20 >> In addition to the change suggested above, we need a document = shepherd to move this forward. Would anyone like to volunteer? >>=20 >> Jim >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 7/21/15 10:28 AM, Rik Ribbers wrote: >>> All, >>>=20 >>> I finished the review. There is one issue that I raised earlier that = (imho) needs some more clarification in the document. >>>=20 >>> See = http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eppext/current/msg00585.html = >>>=20 >>> We have interpreted section 2.3 different then the other = implementers with respect to the normal or vanilla (as Alexander = suggested) domain check. >>>=20 >>> Having fully re-read the draft I am not sure if this issue should be = addressed here or in the lozano functional specification >>> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lozano-tmch-func-spec/ = ). = However the last is expired and not getting any attention. In this draft = there are several requirements concerning Domain Registration, there are = no requirements concerning Domain Availability. So if nothing is = specified the vanilla domain check can be used. >>>=20 >>> However section 2.3 suggest one MUST provide a launchphase...... so = what to do.... >>>=20 >>> My suggestion is to add a few wording (slightly different then my = previous proposal): >>>=20 >>> ** old ** >>> The element MUST be included by the client to define = the target launch phase of the command. >>>=20 >>> ** new ** >>> The element MUST be included by the client to define = the target launch phase of the command when using this EPP extension. >>>=20 >>> Gr, >>> Rik >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: EppExt [mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org = ] On Behalf Of Antoin Verschuren >>> Sent: maandag 20 juli 2015 22:02 >>> To: eppext@ietf.org >>> Subject: [eppext] Working Group Last call for = draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase >>>=20 >>> Greetings, >>>=20 >>> This is the starting of the WGLC on the Launch Phase Mapping for the = Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP). >>> There was extensive discussion on the mailing list, an we believe = the outcome is incorporated in the document and is ready for WGLC. >>> The current version of this document can be found here: >>>=20 >>> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase-05.txt = >>>=20 >>> We'll have a 1,5 week period for comments, closing on Friday, 31 = July 2015. >>>=20 >>> During last call the chairs are looking for a document shepherd for = this document. >>> If you're interested, please contact the chairs. The document = authors can not be the shepherd. >>>=20 >>> thanks, >>>=20 >>> - -- >>> Antoin Verschuren >>>=20 >>> Tweevoren 6, 5672 SB Nuenen, NL >>> M: +31 6 37682392 >>> xmpp:antoinverschuren@gmail.com >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> EppExt mailing list >>> EppExt@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext >>>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> EppExt mailing list >> EppExt@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext >=20 --Apple-Mail=_C1B68AA2-7486-49D8-9975-BB0B7E094F30 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Jim,

Thx for digging this up. This is not a = big deal for me but I think this could be clarified in the draft. It = might help those people who pick up the document right now and start = implementing it.

My proposal is: Let the document move on and if for another = reason a new version is needed consider adding the few words for = clarification.

Gr,
Rik  

On = 05 Nov 2015, at 22:23, Gould, James <JGould@verisign.com>= wrote:

Hi,

For some reason I didn=E2=80=99t see Rik=E2=80=99s = latest posting ( http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eppext/UvQWpcfS3aDkO3ccksT= 9X0N6EbI ).  

I replied to the original launchphase + domain check = thread with the following ( http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eppext/uFAkm8HsumOmN6SOMOF= NSJg3s5o ): 
We also support the standard check =
form for all launch phases.  The launchphase draft extends the domain =
mapping to define new forms of checks targeted for the launch phases, =
but there is no intent to disallow the use of the standard availability =
check defined in the domain mapping.

Considering that this is an extension, it is additive to = what it extends.  There is nothing in the draft that is meant to = change the behavior of the vanilla availability check as defined in RFC = 5731.  I don=E2=80=99t see the need to add clarifying text on what happens when the extension is not used, since the extension = only defines what happens when the extension is used.  If the WG = agrees that the proposed clarifying text is necessary it can be added. =  

Feedback is welcome.  

Thanks,

=E2=80=94

JG


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On Nov 4, 2015, at 3:06 PM, James Galvin <galvin@elistx.com> = wrote:

This issue raised by Rik Ribbers has not been addressed = by the working group.  Would the authors, and any one from the = working group please comment?  Rik's suggestion seems reasonable to = me but I would like to see confirmation from the authors.

With this suggestion address this document is ready to move forward. = However, it is dependent on draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-func-spec/, so I'd = like to hold it in the working group and submit these two documents = together.

In addition to the change suggested above, we need a document shepherd = to move this forward.  Would anyone like to volunteer?
=
Jim






On 7/21/15 10:28 AM, Rik Ribbers wrote:
All,

I finished the review. There is one issue that I raised earlier that = (imho) needs some more clarification in the document.

See http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eppext/current/msg00585.html

We have interpreted section 2.3 different then the other implementers = with respect to the normal or vanilla (as Alexander suggested) domain = check.

Having fully re-read the draft I am not sure if this issue should be = addressed here or in the lozano functional specification
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lozano-tmch-func-spec/). However the last is expired and not getting any attention. In this = draft there are several requirements concerning Domain Registration, there are no requirements concerning Domain = Availability. So if nothing is specified the vanilla domain check can be = used.

However section 2.3 suggest one MUST provide a launchphase...... so what = to do....

My suggestion is to add a few wording (slightly different then my = previous proposal):

** old **
The <launch:phase> element MUST be included by the client to = define the target launch phase of the command.

** new **
The <launch:phase> element MUST be included by the client to = define the target launch phase of the command when using this EPP = extension.

Gr,
Rik


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From: EppExt [mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Antoin = Verschuren
Sent: maandag 20 juli 2015 22:02
To: eppext@ietf.org
Subject: [eppext] Working Group Last call for = draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase

Greetings,

This is the starting of the WGLC on the Launch Phase Mapping for the = Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP).
There was extensive discussion on the mailing list, an we believe the = outcome is incorporated in the document and is ready for WGLC.
The current version of this document can be found here:

  https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase-05.txt

We'll have a 1,5 week period for comments, closing on Friday, 31 July = 2015.

During last call the chairs are looking for a document shepherd for this = document.
If you're interested, please contact the chairs. The document authors = can not be the shepherd.

thanks,

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[72.13.63.42]) by smtp-relay.gmail.com with ESMTPS id a202sm790931qkb.1.2015.11.05.07.13.26 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 05 Nov 2015 07:13:26 -0800 (PST) X-Relaying-Domain: verisign.com Received: from brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexcas01 [10.173.152.205]) by brn1lxmailout02.verisign.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tA5FDPXG011493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Nov 2015 10:13:26 -0500 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 10:13:24 -0500 From: "Gould, James" To: Linlin Zhou Thread-Topic: [eppext] Minutes for our meeting in Yokohama IETF94 Thread-Index: AQHRF6m9eK/y8o0l60m7mZABbgQMIp6NON3PgAB7sYCAAA5mgIAABZmAgAAPc4D//7G0pw== Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 15:13:24 +0000 Message-ID: References: <2015110518242454766331@cnnic.cn> <17335b97.ad9.150d7de92ea.Coremail.zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn> <1CE7A0FE-DAC8-4757-A131-340047FAB812@verisign.com>, <17bec963.ae3.150d8238c7f.Coremail.zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn> In-Reply-To: <17bec963.ae3.150d8238c7f.Coremail.zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Ulrich Wisser , "eppext@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eppext] Minutes for our meeting in Yokohama IETF94 X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 15:14:08 -0000 Linlin,=20 I do not see a technical issue with the EPP protocol passing large packets.= There is no specific performance numbers to dispel the concern, but I bel= ieve any packet size limitations would be based on server policy and the pe= rformance testing done by the server. Since EPP rides on top of TCP and in= cludes packet framing based on a network header, there really is no technic= al limitation that I am aware of. Do you have any feedback on the interface elements? Thanks, Jim Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 5, 2015, at 9:53 AM, Linlin Zhou wrote: >=20 > Hi James, >> I really don=92t understand the concern related to passing large image f= iles via EPP. There is no technical reason why EPP cannot include elements= that happen to contain a large amount of data to satisfy a specific provis= ioning use case. In this case the client is attempting to create a signed= code based on the verification of the input, which can include information= like scanned images. =20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Do you have any specific technical limitation with EPP that will not wor= k for this?=20 >> =20 >> Do you know of a standards track HTTP interface for Chinese verification= that can be used to help with what is defined in the nv draft? =20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Do you have any specific feedback on the elements that are passed with t= he nv draft other then the size of the image files? =20 > I just express my cocern about the large file transfer on EPP, after all = the package size will increase sharply. Or do you have any performance test= data on transfer image files over EPP to dispel my worries. Many thanks. >=20 > Regards, > Linlin > _______________________________________________ > EppExt mailing list > EppExt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext From nobody Thu Nov 5 07:19:26 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F2A1B2F0E for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 07:19:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.012 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.012 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, J_CHICKENPOX_64=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vBk2XeJrKQTf for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 07:19:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnnic.cn (smtp13.cnnic.cn [218.241.118.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E281B2F0D for ; 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b=dzcHNwAxUV11C/1fFujeOZpu6TWipRQYjrgkqJz9Bbp79tBrZp5gCPXFtFhm+g8uS mg5DioP9Q7eRQGqHx8eOitDUl4tlU/TpU9sDqlZ/sIKHQZjmSfrrETEVWZW4iLey2/ gQ14B3D/Isl8OIF5jdMU6l3v21DAZKdssYrbshww= Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_63072697-9B94-461A-9547-D5939EB0B774"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.2 From: Antoin Verschuren In-Reply-To: <425852A8-E258-4660-BB6D-6D78A2CD1D27@verisign.com> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 17:29:50 +0100 Message-Id: References: <0101FBC0-248F-4560-9364-F023B901A959@zdns.cn> <38638B99-20DF-40B3-B431-36ECFE27485F@sidn.nl> <2015110519525639913345@teleinfo.cn> <77db8b89.aea.150d83acd38.Coremail.zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn> <425852A8-E258-4660-BB6D-6D78A2CD1D27@verisign.com> To: eppext X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [eppext] Minutes for our meeting in Yokohama IETF94 X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 16:29:54 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_63072697-9B94-461A-9547-D5939EB0B774 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 As always, adoption of documents is not done in the meeting, but = decisions are always taken on the mailinglist. Hums during the meeting is an indication for the chairs of the direction = the working group wants to go. To my recollection, we had 2 hums during the meeting: The first hum was on the general question if the working group wanted to = work on Informational documents in general as the proposed charter = states that informational RFC=92s for EPP extensions can follow the = Expert review path. The hum indicated strong consensus that we would not = exclude working on informational documents so we will not exclude that = in our proposed charter. The second hum was if the working group agreed to divide the upcoming = work into groups to set clear deadlines for our milestones as we cannot = prioritize every document with our small working group with limited = resources. As specific for the nv draft, we didn=92t make a final decision yet, but = we would send the proposed list of milestones to the mailinglist, with = the inclusion of the nv draft in group 1, and ask the mailinglist for = approval of the milestones. Not everyone had read the nv draft yet, so = one outcome could still be that the nv draft will not be in our = milestones if there is objection on the mailinglist. All the documents in our milestones will be working group documents off = course. When it is decided that the nv draft will not become a working group = document, one can still request review from the working group members as = an example for the verification framework. Advise from me: I would suggest to the authors of the verification = framework to replace the word "verification" with "validation" as that = captures the process more then verification. Validation was also used = for ENUM to verify the correctness of phone numbers and it=92s owners, = so there might be some good guidance in the ENUM documentation. - -- Antoin Verschuren Tweevoren 6, 5672 SB Nuenen, NL M: +31 6 37682392 Op 5 nov. 2015, om 16:30 heeft Gould, James het = volgende geschreven: > I recall a vote around inclusion of informational drafts in general = but I don=92t remember a vote around inclusion of the nv draft itself. = It would be interesting to here from others on the list whether they = support or don=92t support inclusion of the nv draft based on what was = discussed at the meeting and what has been discussed on this thread thus = far. I obviously feel that it is an important draft that deserves = adoption by the working group. > =97 >=20 > JG >=20 >=20 > >=20 > James Gould > Distinguished Engineer > jgould@Verisign.com >=20 > 703-948-3271 > 12061 Bluemont Way > Reston, VA 20190 >=20 > VerisignInc.com >=20 >> On Nov 5, 2015, at 10:19 AM, Linlin Zhou wrote: >>=20 >> Dear WG, >>=20 >>> I see your point. I am a horrible jabber scribe=85.I missed that = remark by Jim Galvin completely. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> @Chairs: Can you make a clear statement on the list to either = confirm or decline my interpretation about the verification drafts being = adopted or not. >>>=20 >> Same question to chairs. Could you please confirm on the mailing list = again whether nv draft is included in WG document? >> I recalled my memory that several people have comments to express = concerns on nv draft and it seems not be fully supported to be adopted. = But it appeared in the milestone. It confused me a lot. 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boundary="Apple-Mail=_1E51BF6F-0AD2-445E-AD1A-868C283BDACC"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: eppext Subject: Re: [eppext] Minutes for our meeting in Yokohama IETF94 X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 20:32:36 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_1E51BF6F-0AD2-445E-AD1A-868C283BDACC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Thanks for the clarification Gr, Rik > On 06 Nov 2015, at 01:29, Antoin Verschuren wrote: >=20 > As always, adoption of documents is not done in the meeting, but = decisions are always taken on the mailinglist. > Hums during the meeting is an indication for the chairs of the = direction the working group wants to go. > To my recollection, we had 2 hums during the meeting: >=20 > The first hum was on the general question if the working group wanted = to work on Informational documents in general as the proposed charter = states that informational RFC=92s for EPP extensions can follow the = Expert review path. The hum indicated strong consensus that we would not = exclude working on informational documents so we will not exclude that = in our proposed charter. >=20 > The second hum was if the working group agreed to divide the upcoming = work into groups to set clear deadlines for our milestones as we cannot = prioritize every document with our small working group with limited = resources. >=20 > As specific for the nv draft, we didn=92t make a final decision yet, = but we would send the proposed list of milestones to the mailinglist, = with the inclusion of the nv draft in group 1, and ask the mailinglist = for approval of the milestones. Not everyone had read the nv draft yet, = so one outcome could still be that the nv draft will not be in our = milestones if there is objection on the mailinglist. > All the documents in our milestones will be working group documents = off course. > When it is decided that the nv draft will not become a working group = document, one can still request review from the working group members as = an example for the verification framework. >=20 > Advise from me: I would suggest to the authors of the verification = framework to replace the word "verification" with "validation" as that = captures the process more then verification. Validation was also used = for ENUM to verify the correctness of phone numbers and it=92s owners, = so there might be some good guidance in the ENUM documentation. >=20 > - -- > Antoin Verschuren >=20 > Tweevoren 6, 5672 SB Nuenen, NL > M: +31 6 37682392 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Op 5 nov. 2015, om 16:30 heeft Gould, James het = volgende geschreven: >=20 >> I recall a vote around inclusion of informational drafts in general = but I don=92t remember a vote around inclusion of the nv draft itself. = It would be interesting to here from others on the list whether they = support or don=92t support inclusion of the nv draft based on what was = discussed at the meeting and what has been discussed on this thread thus = far. I obviously feel that it is an important draft that deserves = adoption by the working group. >> =97 >>=20 >> JG >>=20 >>=20 >> >>=20 >> James Gould >> Distinguished Engineer >> jgould@Verisign.com >>=20 >> 703-948-3271 >> 12061 Bluemont Way >> Reston, VA 20190 >>=20 >> VerisignInc.com >>=20 >>> On Nov 5, 2015, at 10:19 AM, Linlin Zhou = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Dear WG, >>>=20 >>>> I see your point. I am a horrible jabber scribe=85.I missed that = remark by Jim Galvin completely. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> @Chairs: Can you make a clear statement on the list to either = confirm or decline my interpretation about the verification drafts being = adopted or not. >>>>=20 >>> Same question to chairs. Could you please confirm on the mailing = list again whether nv draft is included in WG document? >>> I recalled my memory that several people have comments to express = concerns on nv draft and it seems not be fully supported to be adopted. = But it appeared in the milestone. It confused me a lot. Thanks. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On 05 Nov 2015, at 20:52, xiejiagui@teleinfo.cnwrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Hello Rik, >>>>> Let me post the messages from the Jabber: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Jim Galvin(JimG?) has confirmed this . >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> We do think it's useful to discuss this draft in the WG, and any = comments about this draft are welcome. >>>>>=20 >>> Regards, >>> Linlin >>> _______________________________________________ >>> EppExt mailing list >>> EppExt@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> EppExt mailing list >> EppExt@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext >=20 > _______________________________________________ > EppExt mailing list > EppExt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext --Apple-Mail=_1E51BF6F-0AD2-445E-AD1A-868C283BDACC Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Type: 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[72.13.63.41]) by smtp-relay.gmail.com with ESMTPS id y62sm948279qka.11.2015.11.05.12.44.35 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 05 Nov 2015 12:44:35 -0800 (PST) X-Relaying-Domain: verisign.com Received: from BRN1WNEXCHM01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexchm01 [10.173.152.255]) by brn1lxmailout01.verisign.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tA5KiZu6004912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Nov 2015 15:44:35 -0500 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by BRN1WNEXCHM01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 15:44:34 -0500 From: "Gould, James" To: Antoin Verschuren Thread-Topic: [eppext] Minutes for our meeting in Yokohama IETF94 Thread-Index: AQHRF6m9eK/y8o0l60m7mZABbgQMIp6N3xmAgAADFwCAABCwAP//81su Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 20:44:34 +0000 Message-ID: <2BD325B9-FC16-45F9-AE5B-4A11E1404161@verisign.com> References: <0101FBC0-248F-4560-9364-F023B901A959@zdns.cn> <38638B99-20DF-40B3-B431-36ECFE27485F@sidn.nl> <2015110519525639913345@teleinfo.cn> <77db8b89.aea.150d83acd38.Coremail.zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn> <425852A8-E258-4660-BB6D-6D78A2CD1D27@verisign.com>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: eppext Subject: Re: [eppext] Minutes for our meeting in Yokohama IETF94 X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 20:44:49 -0000 Antoin, Thank you for the information and the feedback. =20 With your suggestion to switch verification to validation, verification is = the common term used currently for this activity. We actually use the term= validation when the registry validates the signature of the VSP so not to = confuse the two actions. Thanks, Jim Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 5, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Antoin Verschuren wrote: >=20 > As always, adoption of documents is not done in the meeting, but decision= s are always taken on the mailinglist. > Hums during the meeting is an indication for the chairs of the direction = the working group wants to go. > To my recollection, we had 2 hums during the meeting: >=20 > The first hum was on the general question if the working group wanted to = work on Informational documents in general as the proposed charter states t= hat informational RFC=92s for EPP extensions can follow the Expert review p= ath. The hum indicated strong consensus that we would not exclude working o= n informational documents so we will not exclude that in our proposed chart= er. >=20 > The second hum was if the working group agreed to divide the upcoming wor= k into groups to set clear deadlines for our milestones as we cannot priori= tize every document with our small working group with limited resources. >=20 > As specific for the nv draft, we didn=92t make a final decision yet, but = we would send the proposed list of milestones to the mailinglist, with the = inclusion of the nv draft in group 1, and ask the mailinglist for approval = of the milestones. Not everyone had read the nv draft yet, so one outcome c= ould still be that the nv draft will not be in our milestones if there is o= bjection on the mailinglist. > All the documents in our milestones will be working group documents off c= ourse. > When it is decided that the nv draft will not become a working group docu= ment, one can still request review from the working group members as an exa= mple for the verification framework. >=20 > Advise from me: I would suggest to the authors of the verification framew= ork to replace the word "verification" with "validation" as that captures t= he process more then verification. Validation was also used for ENUM to ver= ify the correctness of phone numbers and it=92s owners, so there might be s= ome good guidance in the ENUM documentation. >=20 > - -- > Antoin Verschuren >=20 > Tweevoren 6, 5672 SB Nuenen, NL > M: +31 6 37682392 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> Op 5 nov. 2015, om 16:30 heeft Gould, James het vo= lgende geschreven: >>=20 >> I recall a vote around inclusion of informational drafts in general but = I don=92t remember a vote around inclusion of the nv draft itself. It woul= d be interesting to here from others on the list whether they support or do= n=92t support inclusion of the nv draft based on what was discussed at the = meeting and what has been discussed on this thread thus far. I obviously f= eel that it is an important draft that deserves adoption by the working gro= up. >> =97 >>=20 >> JG >>=20 >>=20 >> >>=20 >> James Gould >> Distinguished Engineer >> jgould@Verisign.com >>=20 >> 703-948-3271 >> 12061 Bluemont Way >> Reston, VA 20190 >>=20 >> http://VerisignInc.com >>=20 >>> On Nov 5, 2015, at 10:19 AM, Linlin Zhou wrote: >>>=20 >>> Dear WG, >>>=20 >>>> I see your point. I am a horrible jabber scribe=85.I missed that remar= k by Jim Galvin completely. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> @Chairs: Can you make a clear statement on the list to either confirm = or decline my interpretation about the verification drafts being adopted or= not. >>> Same question to chairs. Could you please confirm on the mailing list a= gain whether nv draft is included in WG document? >>> I recalled my memory that several people have comments to express conce= rns on nv draft and it seems not be fully supported to be adopted. But it a= ppeared in the milestone. It confused me a lot. Thanks. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On 05 Nov 2015, at 20:52, xiejiagui@teleinfo.cnwrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Hello Rik, >>>>> Let me post the messages from the Jabber: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Jim Galvin(JimG?) has confirmed this . >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> We do think it's useful to discuss this draft in the WG, and any comm= ents about this draft are welcome. >>> Regards, >>> Linlin >>> _______________________________________________ >>> EppExt mailing list >>> EppExt@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> EppExt mailing list >> EppExt@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > EppExt mailing list > EppExt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext >=20 >=20 From nobody Thu Nov 5 17:07:09 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EABB1A8A99 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 17:07:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.086 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.086 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id egVulp-pL_uR for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 17:07:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from arn2-kamx.sidn.nl (kamx.sidn.nl [IPv6:2a00:d78:0:147:94:198:152:69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FA9C1A8A3C for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 17:07:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; d=sidn.nl; s=sidn-nl; c=relaxed/relaxed; h=from:to:subject:thread-topic:thread-index:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to:accept-language:content-language:x-ms-has-attach:x-ms-tnef-correlator:x-mailer:x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader:x-originating-ip:content-type:mime-version; bh=rBbSI4JUbFFhXjxdLic4apvn2BMohMU+h8Zc/VDEUmM=; b=ZsktiFEMHgCMfc85Ht1pV/YOw+WN5VAgtKLhVtxe7rc7dwVAtdrxoWmJpd9X+Ls0odsvZJ1egWOEKG7WCSmkBXuf0vNRm1WG39D4K821tVscNx6CoTAuhpF9bnUqL6Dh6+xcxNWRu04f2lP0dHUdHCydRsLLu3biGXFD4Sy67q1K4aUBhL3e/0lHW/aiOsGuKlvdNmCAAzVFJ++aKLlKBfttNxjqjkObcKobQc/u91C4T2vo0Yttb9exupCULbZNzM2tRACqvjiEYRGokxqSQDWRxocRUCcTc2hZuY6cs6gvaUoqpTpQggK0G2jK7wuAd7wR2kWS28S/GyQUlNMIPg== Received: from ka-mbx01.SIDN.local ([192.168.2.177]) by arn2-kamx.sidn.nl with ESMTP id tA6170Il003118-tA6170In003118 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=CAFAIL); Fri, 6 Nov 2015 02:07:00 +0100 Received: from ka-mbx03.SIDN.local (192.168.2.179) by ka-mbx01.SIDN.local (192.168.2.177) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1076.9; Fri, 6 Nov 2015 02:07:03 +0100 Received: from ka-mbx03.SIDN.local ([fe80::d130:f9c0:9810:3ea3]) by ka-mbx03.SIDN.local ([fe80::d130:f9c0:9810:3ea3%13]) with mapi id 15.00.1076.000; Fri, 6 Nov 2015 02:07:03 +0100 From: Rik Ribbers To: Linlin Zhou , "Ning Kong " , "eppext@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [eppext] I-D Action: draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping-02.txt Thread-Index: AQHRGC9ydsVfp4OrMkSDRHaBtGuayw== Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 01:07:03 +0000 Message-ID: <4B1E0C5A-4AF5-467C-B003-566A43F843F4@sidn.nl> References: <2015101211271706831021@cnnic.cn> In-Reply-To: <2015101211271706831021@cnnic.cn> Accept-Language: nl-NL, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.168.4.205] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6E307845-41B3-4B32-BE9E-386366040105"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [eppext] I-D Action: draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping-02.txt X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2015 01:07:08 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6E307845-41B3-4B32-BE9E-386366040105 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D2F30DA0-5B47-4FE2-8373-84063B46403D" --Apple-Mail=_D2F30DA0-5B47-4FE2-8373-84063B46403D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello Linlin, Like stated in the WG I=E2=80=99ve collected my comments on the mapping = draft. Section 3.1=20 - Add a clarification sentence "All reseller objects are identified by a = server-unique identifier" (same as the reseller extension draft) Section 3.3 - The Reseller state; I would have expected the epp statusses there. = During the WG-meeting there were different opinions here. My preference = would be to use epp statussen as a reseller in this draft is modelled as = a fullblown EPP object. I'm curious to hear what other people think on = this. If we decide not to go for app statuses I will request a subset of = status values to match our implementation (I know at least one but have = to check for others). - The reseller draft states that a reseller can be referenced = (optionally) by a name. In the XML structure there is no name at the = highest level, only at add the postalInfo level. As a postal info can = occur more then once in the xml there is no way to identify which name = to use. This was addressed in the WG session and there are 2 possible = solutions: 1 remove the name in the reseller draft as it is optional.=20 2 add the name to the reseller object in this draft; The only thing = to consider is do we need the name at the postalInfo level then. I'd prefer option 1, but I can live with option 2 - the XSD; with all EPP schemas there is a schemaLocation attribute (see = domain an contact RFCs) I don't see them in the XSDs here. Allthough it = is an optional field I would put them there for consistency reasons. - the XSD; I would strongly recommend reusing XML Type from other EPP = objects if available. There are several Types in the XSD which are = already available in the other existing XSD, why not reuse them. = Escpecially when there is already a dependancy on the contact xsd in = there. Below a list of type which are candidates for replacing. The list = is probably longer. * contactAddrType --> reuse from domain-1.0.xsd=20 * contactType --> reuse from domain-1.0.xsd (depends on = contactAddrType) * postalInfoType --> could be reused from contact-1.0.xsd depending = on how the name referencing issue is resolved (see remark below) * addrType --> reuse from contact-1.0.xsd * discloseType --> reuse from contact-1.0.xsd * creDataType --> reuse from contact-1.0.xsd * checkType --> reuse from contact-1.0.xsd=20 * chkDataType --> reuse from contact-1.0.xsd - the XSD; the postalInfoType is almost the same as the contact one = except the org field is missing. In chgPostalInfoType there is a org = element. This is inconsistent. If the org element should be there as an = optional field more types can be resumed. - I've found the XSD refactoring the file itself. It removes over 100 = lines from the XSD and makes it more understandable on how the object is = constructed. I can provide it if you want.=20 I did not go through all the text so there might be more comments, but = if we decide to go for this reuse of elements in the psd there is much = text to change.=20 Gr, Rik > On 12 Oct 2015, at 12:27, Linlin Zhou wrote: >=20 > The reseller draft is updated to 02 version according to WG = discussion. Any comments are welcome. > The name suggested by Marc of this draft is planning to be changed = next version. The reseller status and postalinfo issues would like to be = discussed in WG meeting.=20 >=20 > Linlin Zhou > =20 > From: internet-drafts > Date: 2015-10-12 11:12 > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Subject: I-D Action: draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping-02.txt > =20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > =20 > =20 > Title : Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) = Reseller Mapping > Authors : Linlin Zhou > Ning Kong > Chao Qi > Xiaodong Lee > James Gould > Filename : draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping-02.txt > Pages : 31 > Date : 2015-10-11 > =20 > Abstract: > This document describes an Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) > mapping for provisioning and management of reseller object stored = in > a shared central repository. Specified in Extensible Markup = Language > (XML), this extended mapping is applied to provide additional > features required for the provisioning of resellers. > =20 > =20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping/ = > =20 > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping-02 = > =20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping-02 = > =20 > =20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org = . > =20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ = > =20 > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce = > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html = > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt = _______________________________= ________________ > EppExt mailing list > EppExt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext = --Apple-Mail=_D2F30DA0-5B47-4FE2-8373-84063B46403D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hello Linlin,

Like stated in the WG I=E2=80=99ve collected my comments on = the mapping draft.

Section 3.1 

- Add a clarification sentence "All = reseller objects are identified by a server-unique identifier" (same as = the reseller extension draft)

Section 3.3

- The Reseller state; I would have = expected the epp statusses there. During the WG-meeting there were = different opinions here. My preference would be to use epp statussen as = a reseller in this draft is modelled as a fullblown EPP object. I'm = curious to hear what other people think on this. If we decide not to go = for app statuses I will request a subset of status values to match our = implementation (I know at least one but have to check for = others).

- The = reseller draft states that a reseller can be referenced (optionally) by = a name. In the XML structure there is no name at the highest level, only = at add the postalInfo level. As a postal info can occur more then once = in the xml there is no way to identify which name to use. This was = addressed in the WG session and there are 2 possible = solutions:
    1 remove the name in the = reseller draft as it is optional. 
  =   2 add the name to the reseller object in this draft; The only = thing to consider is do we need the name at the postalInfo level = then.
I'd prefer option 1, but I can live with = option 2

- the = XSD; with all EPP schemas there is a schemaLocation attribute (see = domain an contact RFCs) I don't see them in the XSDs here. Allthough it = is an optional field I would put them there for consistency = reasons.

- the = XSD; I would strongly recommend reusing XML Type from other EPP objects = if available. There are several Types in the XSD which are already = available in the other existing XSD, why not reuse them. Escpecially = when there is already a dependancy on the contact xsd in there. Below a = list of type which are candidates for replacing. The list is probably = longer.
    * contactAddrType --> = reuse from domain-1.0.xsd 
    * = contactType     --> reuse from domain-1.0.xsd (depends on = contactAddrType)
    * postalInfoType =  --> could be reused from contact-1.0.xsd depending on how the = name referencing issue is resolved (see remark below)
    * addrType        --> = reuse from contact-1.0.xsd
    * = discloseType    --> reuse from contact-1.0.xsd
    * creDataType     --> reuse from = contact-1.0.xsd
    * checkType   =     --> reuse from contact-1.0.xsd 
    * chkDataType     --> reuse from = contact-1.0.xsd

- the XSD; the postalInfoType is almost the same as the = contact one except the org field is missing. In chgPostalInfoType there = is a org element. This is inconsistent. If the org element should be = there as an optional field more types can be resumed.

- I've found the XSD = refactoring the file itself. It removes over 100 lines from the XSD and = makes it more understandable on how the object is constructed. I can = provide it if you want. 

I did not go through all the text so = there might be more comments, but if we decide to go for this reuse of = elements in the psd there is much text to change. 

Gr,
Rik


On 12 Oct 2015, at 12:27, Linlin Zhou <zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn>= wrote:

The = reseller draft is updated to 02 version according to WG discussion. Any = comments are welcome.
The = name suggested by Marc of this draft is = planning to be changed next version. The reseller status and postalinfo = issues would like to be discussed in WG meeting. 

Linlin = Zhou
 
From: internet-drafts
Date: 2015-10-12 11:12
To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
Subject: I-D Action: = draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping-02.txt
 
A New = Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories.
 
 
        = Title           : = Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) Reseller Mapping
        = Authors         : Linlin = Zhou
          &nb= sp;            = ;   Ning Kong
          &nb= sp;            = ;   Chao Qi
          &nb= sp;            = ;   Xiaodong Lee
          &nb= sp;            = ;   James Gould
Filename        : = draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping-02.txt
Pages         &nbs= p; : 31
Date          = ;  : 2015-10-11
 
Abstract:
   This document = describes an Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP)
   mapping for provisioning and management of = reseller object stored in
   a shared = central repository.  Specified in Extensible Markup = Language
   (XML), this extended mapping = is applied to provide additional
   = features required for the provisioning of resellers.
 
 
The = IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-map= ping/
 
There's also = a htmlized version available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping-= 02
 
A diff from the = previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-zhou-eppext-reseller-= mapping-02
 
 
Please note that it may take a = couple of minutes from the time of submission
until = the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
 
Internet-Drafts are also = available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
 
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06:36:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F5C1B7D4A for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2015 06:36:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.109] (modemcable093.65-160-184.mc.videotron.ca [184.160.65.93]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EA090403D3 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2015 09:36:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc Blanchet" To: eppext Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2015 09:36:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MailMate_102722C5-39EB-47D0-B4AC-C01E5E058ECE_=" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.2r5141) Archived-At: Subject: [eppext] charter suggestion X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2015 14:36:10 -0000 --=_MailMate_102722C5-39EB-47D0-B4AC-C01E5E058ECE_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, there was some consensus on not to broader the scope of the charter to include « unclear » protocols. May I suggest the following amendment, which may accomplish both purposes: - make sure we are not rejecting an important issue currently on the market, - do not increase the scope too much. The following amendment is the following: - The working group will also identify the requirements for a registration protocol where a third-party DNS provider is involved. These requirements will be documented in an Informational RFC. The goal here is to have clear requirements identified. If the end recommendation is a protocol, then it would require to modify the charter to handle that protocol, which is a good protection against the concern people have. At the same time, we will have made progress on this issue. What do people think? Regards, Marc. --=_MailMate_102722C5-39EB-47D0-B4AC-C01E5E058ECE_= Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,
there was some consensus on not to broader the scope of the charter to i= nclude =C2=AB=C2=A0unclear=C2=A0=C2=BB protocols. May I suggest the follo= wing amendment, which may accomplish both purposes: - make sure we are no= t rejecting an important issue currently on the market, - do not increase= the scope too much. The following amendment is the following:

  • The working group will also identify the requirements for a registrat= ion protocol where a third-party DNS provider is involved. These requirem= ents will be documented in an Informational RFC.

The goal here is to have clear requirements identified. I= f the end recommendation is a protocol, then it would require to modify t= he charter to handle that protocol, which is a good protection against th= e concern people have. At the same time, we will have made progress on th= is issue.

What do people think?

Regards, Marc.

--=_MailMate_102722C5-39EB-47D0-B4AC-C01E5E058ECE_=-- From nobody Tue Nov 10 05:41:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDEF1B3067; Mon, 9 Nov 2015 19:43:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SIHsK8I7uMQx; Mon, 9 Nov 2015 19:43:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCD3F1B3066; Mon, 9 Nov 2015 19:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.11.114] (104-60-96-29.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [104.60.96.29]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tAA3hIoH018531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 9 Nov 2015 19:43:19 -0800 From: Dave Crocker To: weirds@ietf.org, eppext@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking Message-ID: <564167D3.7050805@dcrocker.net> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 19:43:15 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Mon, 09 Nov 2015 19:43:19 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 05:41:39 -0800 Cc: Andrew Newton Subject: [eppext] RDAP adoption? X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 03:43:22 -0000 (Andy Newton asked me to post this question to these lists...) Hi. I'm trying to discover the current field maturity of RDAP. * How much operational deployment of servers supporting it is there? * How much client deployment in software? * But ultimately how much client/server use of the protocol is there, so far? * Any sense of the adoption/use trends? * Any sense of what is delaying more and better adoption/use? * Any sense of what might improve things? Thanks. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From nobody Tue Nov 10 06:07:44 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4F2C1B2A8D for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 06:07:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.278 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.278 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b0uvF-mZWDcM for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 06:07:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wm0-x22b.google.com (mail-wm0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3EA941B2A83 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 06:07:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by wmec201 with SMTP id c201so2386607wme.1 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 06:07:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hxr_us.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ji1CXXNqZ53z48h+LT/A5EdtEEfxOZXymHncbqQWUY8=; b=FQyqJtdkWIipIXZ1Hs6BHVG8BLGhZqB+muM3tKNhWbQz7Sk4nH7bUty+/e7X5i+u0m bmuf7E+9l0Gm/UURunNMxt0sYDHpitGumdP6itZInk/bBAMEKxA7LvpTGerKgIe7caS0 nlD9RN+dIQkofCTHNlFsc1Jy3Ot4gxjQRsoTF+hltjECjg+Yw8HuwQtIbEereYj9hzSN sYm7TRdCxE40tnu7QULsckv9DaaZZYKXij/1ajexUFpMS2jVJHBiUXvkjjVyAHHJUxNb AqsfwuzTuzlpA8/I1v2ArC24ezbVEQU1DL2cVMnHNnJaoSRRS3EZxNFXIX70dbVGI6t7 pQ7w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ji1CXXNqZ53z48h+LT/A5EdtEEfxOZXymHncbqQWUY8=; b=jM7x58vSdU8NA/qT2TGIOZE9bDTG/Pgxf0K7ggAcUcMUdVTQ6XgL/JwDAG+xW2eDk5 +Ihc73s1Ki5KeYcr+T8QyyvFjTIAuyrORS+/SGCFgvMXk5sZGFK59nH5d9IpofcNjcLl cEKIYjyO+RqpnNsjAE05pDrLnSa4Ay15bzakDJ1PjMuoyt+pzIMKE/ntXYdmUXApmcxv jQvBjmQ1y+GH9pncO1quhbEHQv2OobuEy24CioZs87sGvrMm74loGlGGkkI85TdJ20lp l/Ulp7dveWggtlocpmcQ1WtSm3koFkMXL7IJcwF2ntTVkpTny3gYRu/PTZExk60/vAZq 11Gw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk5q/9NYVsSy16bbSZusaucxZwxVR4yLaFcvQGfyI5x2UsYvAhGIzz3ZZrCCnjpxhb9/H6L MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.28.189.5 with SMTP id n5mr705748wmf.76.1447164458820; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 06:07:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.91.134 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 06:07:38 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [192.149.252.11] In-Reply-To: <564167D3.7050805@dcrocker.net> References: <564167D3.7050805@dcrocker.net> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:07:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: Andrew Newton To: Dave Crocker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" , eppext Subject: Re: [eppext] RDAP adoption? X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 14:07:42 -0000 On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:43 PM, Dave Crocker wrote: > * How much operational deployment of servers supporting it is there? In the RIR space, 4 of the 5 RIRs have production systems with the 5th working on moving their beta into production. > > * How much client deployment in software? At the REGOPS workshop in Prague, I think .CZ mentioned they were working on a client. And perhaps there was one other TLD doing so as well. I've put out NicInfo: https://github.com/arineng/nicinfo And I do have a browser-based, pure Javascript client in proof-of-concept stage awaiting my undivided attention to be completed. >From a server software standpoint, RIPE NCC's code is open sourced and on GitHub. CNNIC has a server implementation developed under contract with ICANN, and ARIN has developed a bootstrap sever (on GitHub) which is also an ARIN service. > * But ultimately how much client/server use of the protocol is > there, so far? > > * Any sense of the adoption/use trends? I ran some stats on the ARIN service back in early September (we deployed in late June, so around 70 days after deployment), and here is what I had: Entity queries: 173 Domain queries: 290 IP queries: 40818 Autnum queries: 9203 Registry queries 50224 Bootstrap queries 608 Total Queries 50817 Top 10 User Agents 23270 "-" 15457 "NicInfo 7712 "curl/7.30.0" 1258 "ColdFusion" 1027 "Mozilla/5.0 395 "python-requests/2.7.0 393 "libwww-perl/6.08" 359 "Apache-HttpAsyncClient/4.0 305 "Python-urllib/2.7" 165 "curl/7.19.7 So that is in the noise when compared to port 43 or even ARIN's proprietary restful service, but it's also new. > > * Any sense of what is delaying more and better adoption/use? > > * Any sense of what might improve things? Yes, movement in the gTLD space. We see a lot of domain queries. -andy From nobody Tue Nov 10 06:30:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FCE1B2A31; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 06:30:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.084 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.084 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YKgoOwcJh0vV; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 06:30:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from arn2-kamx.sidn.nl (kamx.sidn.nl [IPv6:2a00:d78:0:147:94:198:152:69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E3C11B2A15; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 06:30:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; d=sidn.nl; s=sidn-nl; c=relaxed/relaxed; h=from:to:cc:subject:thread-topic:thread-index:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to:accept-language:content-language:x-ms-has-attach:x-ms-tnef-correlator:x-mailer:x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader:x-originating-ip:content-type:mime-version; bh=BdLgRQiwdCyGQWb6SQeHCQCot71XmwD0RqbBj1i2rg8=; b=wM8UFiZntpEFQglBYQSCh6f64zqrcne9qMbnNPbqb1wCOytwYmOuPNJ0MQN+8HEqBpTJetw8OkFstACJRy48e1wnxt6vJy4JLKqvVpCAhv8M38bWvl3LNOyHehuDhIRUUBr/sSLSFNziCQYeEXsCqAKShtKIF7SBbdNHb0I3B5Nc5esAZTHx6r3RWN3pFDOSM9U1xGauJZpKG7hM3ZTF4Q+Vf1QmFPnx9xS6UUYHE9t7lxgkKiPwfh3J7Cpl7yNHEmBdZR6CUErABg5tW3jMK54m2QSuAOjoushnK8e6mxyp3QBghngMXDHJlv/psBxm2C2/c6T5XsKClW7iZA1jdw== Received: from ka-mbx02.SIDN.local ([192.168.2.178]) by arn2-kamx.sidn.nl with ESMTP id tAAEUbkJ012477-tAAEUbkL012477 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=CAFAIL); Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:30:37 +0100 Received: from ka-mbx02.SIDN.local (192.168.2.178) by ka-mbx02.SIDN.local (192.168.2.178) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1076.9; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:30:41 +0100 Received: from ka-mbx02.SIDN.local ([fe80::9855:369a:1ca4:6549]) by ka-mbx02.SIDN.local ([fe80::9855:369a:1ca4:6549%13]) with mapi id 15.00.1076.000; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:30:41 +0100 From: Rik Ribbers To: Andrew Newton , Dave Crocker Thread-Topic: [eppext] RDAP adoption? Thread-Index: AQHRG72MktoDusWQ80yaI1Fg37pA0J6VOhAAgAAGawA= Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 14:30:40 +0000 Message-ID: <115DBEF8-0DC9-49C6-ABAD-4BABDC1C0EEC@sidn.nl> References: <564167D3.7050805@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: nl-NL, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.168.4.218] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A0A4B030-4033-44A4-BEE3-22807888EB05"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" , eppext Subject: Re: [eppext] RDAP adoption? X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 14:30:50 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A0A4B030-4033-44A4-BEE3-22807888EB05 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I also recall from the REGOPS workshop the Brazilians (.br) have an = server side implementation in production and there is a RDAP library for = servers in JAVA available from DNS Belgium (.be). Gr, Rik =20 > On 10 Nov 2015, at 15:07, Andrew Newton wrote: >=20 > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:43 PM, Dave Crocker = wrote: >> * How much operational deployment of servers supporting it is = there? >=20 > In the RIR space, 4 of the 5 RIRs have production systems with the 5th > working on moving their beta into production. >=20 >>=20 >> * How much client deployment in software? >=20 > At the REGOPS workshop in Prague, I think .CZ mentioned they were > working on a client. And perhaps there was one other TLD doing so as > well. >=20 > I've put out NicInfo: https://github.com/arineng/nicinfo > And I do have a browser-based, pure Javascript client in > proof-of-concept stage awaiting my undivided attention to be > completed. >=20 >> =46rom a server software standpoint, RIPE NCC's code is open sourced = and > on GitHub. CNNIC has a server implementation developed under contract > with ICANN, and ARIN has developed a bootstrap sever (on GitHub) which > is also an ARIN service. >=20 >> * But ultimately how much client/server use of the protocol is >> there, so far? >>=20 >> * Any sense of the adoption/use trends? >=20 > I ran some stats on the ARIN service back in early September (we > deployed in late June, so around 70 days after deployment), and here > is what I had: >=20 > Entity queries: 173 > Domain queries: 290 > IP queries: 40818 > Autnum queries: 9203 > Registry queries 50224 > Bootstrap queries 608 > Total Queries 50817 >=20 > Top 10 User Agents > 23270 "-" > 15457 "NicInfo > 7712 "curl/7.30.0" > 1258 "ColdFusion" > 1027 "Mozilla/5.0 > 395 "python-requests/2.7.0 > 393 "libwww-perl/6.08" > 359 "Apache-HttpAsyncClient/4.0 > 305 "Python-urllib/2.7" > 165 "curl/7.19.7 >=20 > So that is in the noise when compared to port 43 or even ARIN's > proprietary restful service, but it's also new. >=20 >>=20 >> * Any sense of what is delaying more and better adoption/use? >>=20 >> * Any sense of what might improve things? >=20 > Yes, movement in the gTLD space. 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certificate requested) by clone.registro.br (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14A7B24C070; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 12:35:18 -0200 (BRST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.1 \(3096.5\)) From: Rubens Kuhl In-Reply-To: <115DBEF8-0DC9-49C6-ABAD-4BABDC1C0EEC@sidn.nl> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 12:35:17 -0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <564167D3.7050805@dcrocker.net> <115DBEF8-0DC9-49C6-ABAD-4BABDC1C0EEC@sidn.nl> To: Rik Ribbers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) Archived-At: Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" , eppext , Dave Crocker , Andrew Newton Subject: Re: [eppext] RDAP adoption? X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 14:35:23 -0000 > Em 10 de nov de 2015, =C3=A0(s) 12:30:000, Rik Ribbers = escreveu: >=20 > I also recall from the REGOPS workshop the Brazilians (.br) have an = server side implementation in production and there is a RDAP library for = servers in JAVA available from DNS Belgium (.be). https://rdap.beta.registro.br/domain/nic.br https://rdap.beta.registro.br/domain/foo.eng.br https://rdap.beta.registro.br/ip/200.160.0.1 https://rdap.beta.registro.br/ip/2001:12ff::/32 https://rdap.beta.registro.br/autnum/22548 https://rdap.beta.registro.br/entity/h_05506560000136-NICBR Rubens From nobody Tue Nov 10 07:32:46 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63ED51B38DE; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:23:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F_1vCDI0K1pX; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E376C1B38E9; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:23:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.87] (76-218-10-206.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [76.218.10.206]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tAAFNDoU012964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:23:13 -0800 To: Andrew Newton References: <564167D3.7050805@dcrocker.net> From: Dave Crocker X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking Message-ID: <56420BDB.6050802@dcrocker.net> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:23:07 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:23:14 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:32:46 -0800 Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" , eppext Subject: Re: [eppext] RDAP adoption? X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:23:34 -0000 Andey, et al, Many thanks for the responses. I think what I read summarizes as: There is an active community effort to promote, deploy and use RDAP. It has made good, initial progress and does appear to be on a healthy vector towards widespread use. Adoption by providers is excellent. Adoption in clients is still in the very early stages. There is actual traffic, but it is still quite modest. Does the above give anyone heartburn? inline... On 11/10/2015 6:07 AM, Andrew Newton wrote: > I ran some stats on the ARIN service back in early September (we > deployed in late June, so around 70 days after deployment), and here > is what I had: ... > So that is in the noise when compared to port 43 or even ARIN's > proprietary restful service, but it's also new. It might help folks get a sense of on-going progress to regularly show the changes in traffic, both in terms of the client/server mix and the overall traffic, compared against :43. That is, how widespread is the use and how much use is there? We have quite a bit of unfortunate history with good efforts at producing specs that lacked sustained community effort at adoption. This one sounds much better than those unfortunate cases, but as DNSSec demonstrated it is too easy to lose momentum. You might want to have an explicit -- if informal -- community effort organized at adoption and use. Again, thanks for the followup. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From nobody Tue Nov 10 09:07:41 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E301B3AFC for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:07:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S9nJlNzQnzmI for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:07:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qg0-x262.google.com (mail-qg0-x262.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::262]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BAC201A1A52 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:07:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by qgea14 with SMTP id a14so198489qge.2 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:07:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=verisign_com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:to:cc:subject:thread-topic:thread-index:date:message-id :references:in-reply-to:accept-language:content-language :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=pcvW/tFo8vClYdhwvkgLIv4uK8WIZdYKnfJto42FFU0=; b=nCL2WO6H7IbrJfsW0h5z6z7SPv98C+OmPXptP2i+o8YD++PPVqWL5mR2LUN+Ns7eiG WHZW1u9z1lfCJrYNeXuJv6OjQmlXExppLQBPT10gyZ1rUrpbSLn67Q5uuc2xJ2Ci1d1o v3vFmcCyIiiPZ8qfhXuiMfdVp3BqQqYL3kWIv/WqjZJMJHcfYmkPDSurFnOq9SSyyjgH ion0MiQ+L+wGex5NwPf/7v6qAVekS/I6rD1XkBpqOB9u9hewvPLlyvGo1OVdROfB5bfe z1XRcnthjB3GHG6q56dnM/yXcHq2w2v7M2qfqC0TpIZKs+No5fIyLgLWxxqZQkVx2by/ qp3g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:thread-topic:thread-index :date:message-id:references:in-reply-to:accept-language :content-language:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version; bh=pcvW/tFo8vClYdhwvkgLIv4uK8WIZdYKnfJto42FFU0=; b=l0Bm+LhDZyjuBP02HnBWQuNFbmG0Z5qUu6Oj58gYHVst/Hzlg0aJ80PDMZhSYw1EFc YHGje90pw3OACeo53CuisBEYeNdLied82TQtY5ccFixkZOuZky6HE4oE6tX/v/++BvwA 3IqOzz/+zLeGFyjF2r2Y/2LNpYAaUUWrwDenzPwPUYYxih83tVS8GTA/NC1ZOp2og+zZ F/vPs9Wrd+2zqt8QTBdXgV88h52qkcuv5ErjxCDK3ffQiK6884J2PL9peReOF9otFM/A YY4UbmDnfpHKzN0cd5lYuVil8f6EUWLpfFopB4f68uQg6u4xKq9fl+Xv9TPMN8pM7+vQ uNCw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl+H74Z8Q8NhuOAjImzrY7ITYebJNGFV9jB29P/zuKnnipySbwo+B2XD2J3wJBmSycr/iLI0vqMwk5Wt2mAu2pR0hPw1A== X-Received: by 10.55.207.139 with SMTP id v11mr5629804qkl.53.1447175255585; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:07:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from brn1lxmailout02.verisign.com (brn1lxmailout02.verisign.com. [72.13.63.42]) by smtp-relay.gmail.com with ESMTPS id p23sm386786qkl.0.2015.11.10.09.07.35 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:07:35 -0800 (PST) X-Relaying-Domain: verisign.com Received: from brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexcas01 [10.173.152.205]) by brn1lxmailout02.verisign.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tAAH7YUt017957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Nov 2015 12:07:35 -0500 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 12:07:34 -0500 From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: "dcrocker@bbiw.net" , Andrew Newton Thread-Topic: [eppext] RDAP adoption? Thread-Index: AQHRG72IKaddwQWbvU6SpkqRtyvmnZ6VnqYAgAAVF4D//8jrYA== Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:07:34 +0000 Message-ID: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F4A0DF4F1@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> References: <564167D3.7050805@dcrocker.net> <56420BDB.6050802@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: <56420BDB.6050802@dcrocker.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" , eppext Subject: Re: [eppext] RDAP adoption? X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:07:38 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: EppExt [mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dave Crocker > Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 10:23 AM > To: Andrew Newton > Cc: weirds@ietf.org; eppext > Subject: Re: [eppext] RDAP adoption? [snip] > We have quite a bit of unfortunate history with good efforts at > producing specs that lacked sustained community effort at adoption. > This one sounds much better than those unfortunate cases, but as DNSSec > demonstrated it is too easy to lose momentum. You might want to have > an > explicit -- if informal -- community effort organized at adoption and > use. RDAP has been the focus of a recent series of operationally-focused worksho= ps that I've helped organize. There will be more in the future. Scott From nobody Tue Nov 10 09:53:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 524251B3BD5; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:52:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.731 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.731 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245, J_CHICKENPOX_64=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A2LYqFTv7bBY; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:52:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.iit.cnr.it (mx4.iit.cnr.it [146.48.98.151]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6DEE1B3BD6; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:52:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.iit.cnr.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E143B80D20; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:52:44 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx4.iit.cnr.it Received: from smtp.iit.cnr.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx4.iit.cnr.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iEtC8GvnJ7Yy; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:52:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.12.193.108] (pc-loffredo.nic.it [192.12.193.108]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.iit.cnr.it (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 14FAEB80BFB; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:52:41 +0100 (CET) To: dcrocker@bbiw.net, weirds@ietf.org, eppext@ietf.org References: <564167D3.7050805@dcrocker.net> From: Mario Loffredo Message-ID: <56422EE7.5040007@iit.cnr.it> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:52:39 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <564167D3.7050805@dcrocker.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: Andrew Newton Subject: Re: [eppext] RDAP adoption? X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:52:59 -0000 Il 10/11/2015 04:43, Dave Crocker ha scritto: > (Andy Newton asked me to post this question to these lists...) > > > Hi. > > I'm trying to discover the current field maturity of RDAP. > > * How much operational deployment of servers supporting it is there? > > * How much client deployment in software? > > * But ultimately how much client/server use of the protocol is > there, so far? > > * Any sense of the adoption/use trends? > > * Any sense of what is delaying more and better adoption/use? > > * Any sense of what might improve things? > > Thanks. > > d/ Dear Dave, I speak on behalf of .it and it seems to me that there are some big problems we have to face in order to implement a RDAP server. The first three things coming in my mind about RDAP responses are the following: - domain status Due to Italian regulation, we have introduced some statuses in addition to EPP standard and RGP extension statuses. At the moment, the only way to represent this statuses according to the RDAP profile is to add an unrecognized member together with a status reported in RFC7483 - Registrar role publicIDs member The RDAP profile states that the entity with the registrar role MUST contain a publicIDs member to identify IANA Registrar ID from the IANA's Registrar ID registry. In .it, we have a lot of medium/small registrars registering only .it domains so none of them appear in the IANA Registrar ID registry. Furthermore, there are some domains managed by the registry itself (nic.it for example) or by italian public entities registrars (government, regions, and so on) - Registrant/admin/tech role required fields According to .it regulation, each contact cannot give the consent to publish the personal data on WHOIS. Street,City and Country are part of the personal data so they might not appear in a RDAP response Maybe these problems are common to other ccTLDs. In my humble opinion, we need a discussion about the adoption of RDAP from ccTLDs in order to have, at the end, a RDAP profile for ccTLDs . Regards, Mario From nobody Tue Nov 10 10:01:52 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713481B3BFE; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:01:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.838 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.838 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_EQ_BR=0.955, HOST_EQ_BR=1.295, J_CHICKENPOX_64=0.6, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x7dt7k8SA5Ol; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:01:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.nic.br (mail.nic.br [IPv6:2001:12ff:0:4::5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F09E01B3C02; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:01:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.nic.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5D4149EC9; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:01:48 -0200 (BRST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.nic.br Authentication-Results: mail.nic.br (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nic.br Received: from mail.nic.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.nic.br [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id euL_hGwHh7f2; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:01:41 -0200 (BRST) Received: from rubens.in.registro.br (unknown [IPv6:2001:12ff:0:3a::195]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.nic.br (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B7CB1149EFF; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:01:35 -0200 (BRST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nic.br; s=dkim; t=1447178495; bh=s1uVLN/1WSU+/UyerzEj3/JvGa9zCzFl8A0NXfVf2+g=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=fdHOnO1JoDo9qLVlh4E9E0pZHJR/PZgaIgo2RvWMMORlJlWlcg5RP+G44uG5phAtI /hlP5YMvzHzowYcpX4AgpNKYCxLpVZYO3Gk2BCmy1c+YjVXCN8HYopn7AkOSaoQ/qp vrXuigo0HfJKcQuHLYLB8wsVhZ3rtFPUMOnSwWeQ= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.1 \(3096.5\)) From: Rubens Kuhl In-Reply-To: <56422EE7.5040007@iit.cnr.it> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:01:35 -0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <62A1F9F1-08B9-45E2-8443-5748EFF3FF07@nic.br> References: <564167D3.7050805@dcrocker.net> <56422EE7.5040007@iit.cnr.it> To: Mario Loffredo X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.1 mail.nic.br B7CB1149EFF Archived-At: Cc: Andrew Newton , eppext@ietf.org, dcrocker@bbiw.net, weirds@ietf.org Subject: Re: [eppext] RDAP adoption? X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:01:51 -0000 >=20 > I speak on behalf of .it and it seems to me that there are some big = problems we have to face in order to implement a RDAP server. > The first three things coming in my mind about RDAP responses are the = following: >=20 > - domain status > Due to Italian regulation, we have introduced some statuses in = addition to EPP standard and RGP extension statuses. > At the moment, the only way to represent this statuses according to = the RDAP profile is to add an unrecognized member together with a status = reported in RFC7483 It seems gTLDs are facing the same issue, and the same seems to be the = same: an I-D defining those values.=20 >=20 > - Registrar role publicIDs member > The RDAP profile states that the entity with the registrar role MUST = contain a publicIDs member to identify IANA Registrar ID from the IANA's = Registrar ID registry. > In .it, we have a lot of medium/small registrars registering only .it = domains so none of them appear in the IANA Registrar ID registry. > Furthermore, there are some domains managed by the registry itself = (nic.it for example) or by italian public entities registrars = (government, regions, and so on) The gTLD RDAP Profile only applies to gTLDs. ccTLDs don't have follow = any of ICANN's specs in this regard; is there any IETF document = precluding .it from using some kind of internal ID ?=20 > - Registrant/admin/tech role required fields > According to .it regulation, each contact cannot give the consent to = publish the personal data on WHOIS. > Street,City and Country are part of the personal data so they might = not appear in a RDAP response >=20 Empty data might seem to solve it as well, but I wonder whether this = requirement also came from gTLD profile or from a technical standard ?=20= > Maybe these problems are common to other ccTLDs. > In my humble opinion, we need a discussion about the adoption of RDAP = from ccTLDs in order to have, at the end, a RDAP profile for ccTLDs . ccTLDs are known for liking their independence, so it's really up to you = to make the .it RDAP profile... but there are some commonalities in the = EEE (European Economic Area) that might suggest an European ccTLD RDAP = profile that could include VAT, Privacy Laws etc. Perhaps CENTR could be = a venue to that development ?=20 Rubens From nobody Tue Nov 10 10:29:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F6E1B3C71; 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Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:29:22 -0800 From: Gustavo Lozano To: "eppext@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Adding missing RDAP event action types for gTLDs Thread-Index: AQHRG+W3Qkw2SFOjD0GXFX7C2VCvSQ== Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:29:21 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.7.151005 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.0.35.2] Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="B_3529996154_9293738" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: [eppext] Adding missing RDAP event action types for gTLDs X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:29:26 -0000 --B_3529996154_9293738 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3529996154_9277283" --B_3529996154_9277283 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello colleagues, As you may know, two of the open issues in the RDAP profile for gTLDs (http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gtld-tech/attachments/20150928/35901409/gTLDR DAPOperationalProfile-v06-0001.pdf) are missing event action types in the base RDAP specification for: * Last update time of the RDAP database * Registrar registration expiration date You may find the details in the following I-D: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-lozano-rdap-gtld-whois-additional-events-00.tx t It's important to promptly add these two event action types based on the timeline for deployment of RDAP in the gTLDs. As this appears to be a minor update, I am planning (in the last week of November) on sending a request to IANA, in order to add these two action event types to the RDAP JSON Values Registry following the Expert Review Registration Procedure. I would like to get feedback from the list regarding this proposal. If you agree with the proposal, it would be great if you can reply to the list in order to show the expert reviewer that there is consensus on the list. Regards, Gustavo --B_3529996154_9277283 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Hello colleagues,
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As you may know, two of the open issues in the RDAP profi= le for gTLDs (http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gtld-tech/attachments/20150928/3= 5901409/gTLDRDAPOperationalProfile-v06-0001.pdf) are missing event action ty= pes in the base RDAP specification for:
* Last update time of the = RDAP database
* Registrar registration expiration date
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You may find the details in the following I-D: https://www.iet= f.org/id/draft-lozano-rdap-gtld-whois-additional-events-00.txt
It's important to promptly add these two event action types base= d on the timeline for deployment of RDAP in the gTLDs.

<= div>As this appears to be a minor update, I am planning (in the last week of= November) on sending a request to IANA, in order to add these two action ev= ent types to the RDAP JSON Values Registry following the Expert Review Regis= tration Procedure. I would like to get feedback from the list regarding this= proposal. 

If you agree with the proposal, it= would be great if you can reply to the list in order to show the expert rev= iewer that there is consensus on the list.

Regards,=
Gustavo
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[2001:500:4:15:84df:8a21:c9ca:e159] In-Reply-To: <56422EE7.5040007@iit.cnr.it> References: <564167D3.7050805@dcrocker.net> <56422EE7.5040007@iit.cnr.it> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 13:45:34 -0500 Message-ID: From: Andrew Newton To: Mario Loffredo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: eppext , Dave Crocker , "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eppext] RDAP adoption? X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:45:37 -0000 On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Mario Loffredo wrote: > At the moment, the only way to represent this statuses according to the > RDAP profile is to add an unrecognized member together with a status > reported in RFC7483 Actually, there is an IANA registry for status values. Inventing new JSON members for that need is not the right way to do it. > > - Registrar role publicIDs member > The RDAP profile states that the entity with the registrar role MUST > contain a publicIDs member to identify IANA Registrar ID from the IANA's > Registrar ID registry. > In .it, we have a lot of medium/small registrars registering only .it > domains so none of them appear in the IANA Registrar ID registry. > Furthermore, there are some domains managed by the registry itself (nic.it > for example) or by italian public entities registrars (government, regions, > and so on) > publicId is not a required field. 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[snip] If a recall what I heard in Dublin and Yokohama, the timeline is *proposed*= and subject to a community review process that is supposed to start later = this month - correct? Scott --_000_831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F4A0DF7DDBRN1WNEXMBX01vc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

From: weirds [= mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gustavo Lozano
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 1:29 PM
To: eppext@ietf.org
Cc: weirds@ietf.org
Subject: [weirds] Adding missing RDAP event action types for gTLDs

 

Hello colleagues,

 

As you may know, two of the= open issues in the RDAP profile for gTLDs (http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gtld-tech/attachments/2015092= 8/35901409/gTLDRDAPOperationalProfile-v06-0001.pdf) are missing event action types in the base RDAP specification for:

* Last update time of the R= DAP database

* Registrar registration ex= piration date

 

 

It's important to promptly = add these two event action types based on the timeline for deployment of RD= AP in the gTLDs.

 

[snip]<= /p>

 

If a recall what I heard in Dublin and Yok= ohama, the timeline is *proposed* and subject to a community review = process that is supposed to start later this month – correct?

 

Scott

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I agree with Scott, from what I recall this is just a proposed timeline. As for this I-D, one comment, one clarification: * Comment: in reading Appendix B of RFC 7483 it states that events = represent actions that have taken place against a registered object at a ce= rtain date and time. I don't see that Last Update of RDAP Database is an ac= tion against a registered object, against the "container" of these register= ed objects but not against a registered object. This may be just a definiti= on issue, I don't recall reading a definition of Last Update of RDAP Databa= se so it could be defined as: the date/time of the last change to a registr= ation object (domain, host, contact) in the RDAP database. Lacking a defini= tion I would have defined Last Update of RDAP Database literally, so any ma= intenance including restoration, reference table updates, etc I would say c= hanges the Last Update of RDAP Database. Again maybe just a definition issu= e. * Clarification: this I-D tries to address the lack of some RDAP da= ta modeling in regards to Registrar Expiration Date but there still is work= needed to address getting this data from registrar to registry, correct? I= am not aware of a way to do this currently or of work to make this happen. Thanks Roger From: EppExt [mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hollenbeck, Scot= t Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 12:48 PM To: Gustavo Lozano; eppext@ietf.org Cc: weirds@ietf.org Subject: Re: [eppext] Adding missing RDAP event action types for gTLDs From: weirds [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gustavo Lozano Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 1:29 PM To: eppext@ietf.org Cc: weirds@ietf.org Subject: [weirds] Adding missing RDAP event action types for gTLDs Hello colleagues, As you may know, two of the open issues in the RDAP profile for gTLDs (http= ://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gtld-tech/attachments/20150928/35901409/gTLDRDAPO= perationalProfile-v06-0001.pdf) are missing event action types in the base = RDAP specification for: * Last update time of the RDAP database * Registrar registration expiration date You may find the details in the following I-D: https://www.ietf.org/id/draf= t-lozano-rdap-gtld-whois-additional-events-00.txt It's important to promptly add these two event action types based on the ti= meline for deployment of RDAP in the gTLDs. [snip] If a recall what I heard in Dublin and Yokohama, the timeline is *proposed*= and subject to a community review process that is supposed to start later = this month - correct? Scott --_000_BY2PR0201MB0773F291D96B422DD1224773B1140BY2PR0201MB0773_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks Gustavo.

 

I agree with Scott, fr= om what I recall this is just a proposed timeline.

 

As for this I-D, one c= omment, one clarification:

·       =   Comment: in re= ading Appendix B of RFC 7483 it states that events represent actions that h= ave taken place against a registered object at a certain date and time. I don’t see that Last Update of RDAP Dat= abase is an action against a registered object, against the “containe= r” of these registered objects but not against a registered object. T= his may be just a definition issue, I don’t recall reading a definition of Last Update of RDAP Database so it could be define= d as: the date/time of the last change to a registration object (domain, ho= st, contact) in the RDAP database. Lacking a definition I would have define= d Last Update of RDAP Database literally, so any maintenance including restoration, reference table updates, etc I would say changes the Last Update of RDAP Database. Again mayb= e just a definition issue.

·       =   Clarification:= this I-D tries to address the lack of some RDAP data modeling in regards t= o Registrar Expiration Date but there still is work needed to address getting this data from registrar to registry, co= rrect? I am not aware of a way to do this currently or of work to make this= happen.

 

 

Thanks

Roger

 

 

From: EppExt [mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hollenbeck, Sc= ott
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 12:48 PM
To: Gustavo Lozano; eppext@ietf.org
Cc: weirds@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [eppext] Adding missing RDAP event action types for gTL= Ds

 

From: weirds [ma= ilto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gustavo Lozano
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 1:29 PM
To: eppext@ietf.org
Cc: weirds@ietf.org
Subject: [weirds] Adding missing RDAP event action types for gTLDs

 

Hello colleagues,

 

As you may know, two of the= open issues in the RDAP profile for gTLDs (http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gtld-tech/attachments/2015092= 8/35901409/gTLDRDAPOperationalProfile-v06-0001.pdf) are missing event action types in the base RDAP specification for:

* Last update time of the R= DAP database

* Registrar registration ex= piration date

 

 

It's important to promptly = add these two event action types based on the timeline for deployment of RD= AP in the gTLDs.

 

[snip]<= /p>

 

If a recall what I heard in Dublin and Yok= ohama, the timeline is *proposed* and subject to a community review = process that is supposed to start later this month – correct?

 

Scott

--_000_BY2PR0201MB0773F291D96B422DD1224773B1140BY2PR0201MB0773_-- From nobody Wed Nov 11 00:50:10 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661BD1A86F2 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 00:50:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.731 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.731 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245, J_CHICKENPOX_64=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29jtWNg3T5aP for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 00:50:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.iit.cnr.it (mx3.iit.cnr.it [146.48.98.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2AE11A86E9 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 00:50:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.iit.cnr.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D92600E64 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 09:50:02 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx3.iit.cnr.it Received: from smtp.iit.cnr.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx3.iit.cnr.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hMXoP9VZdCTU for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 09:50:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.12.193.108] (pc-loffredo.nic.it [192.12.193.108]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.iit.cnr.it (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1A644601163 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 09:50:00 +0100 (CET) To: eppext@ietf.org References: <564167D3.7050805@dcrocker.net> <56422EE7.5040007@iit.cnr.it> <62A1F9F1-08B9-45E2-8443-5748EFF3FF07@nic.br> From: Mario Loffredo Message-ID: <56430136.9090804@iit.cnr.it> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 09:49:58 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <62A1F9F1-08B9-45E2-8443-5748EFF3FF07@nic.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [eppext] RDAP adoption? X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 08:50:09 -0000 Il 10/11/2015 19:01, Rubens Kuhl ha scritto: >> I speak on behalf of .it and it seems to me that there are some big problems we have to face in order to implement a RDAP server. >> The first three things coming in my mind about RDAP responses are the following: >> >> - domain status >> Due to Italian regulation, we have introduced some statuses in addition to EPP standard and RGP extension statuses. >> At the moment, the only way to represent this statuses according to the RDAP profile is to add an unrecognized member together with a status reported in RFC7483 > It seems gTLDs are facing the same issue, and the same seems to be the same: an I-D defining those values. > >> - Registrar role publicIDs member >> The RDAP profile states that the entity with the registrar role MUST contain a publicIDs member to identify IANA Registrar ID from the IANA's Registrar ID registry. >> In .it, we have a lot of medium/small registrars registering only .it domains so none of them appear in the IANA Registrar ID registry. >> Furthermore, there are some domains managed by the registry itself (nic.it for example) or by italian public entities registrars (government, regions, and so on) > The gTLD RDAP Profile only applies to gTLDs. ccTLDs don't have follow any of ICANN's specs in this regard; I know it > is there any IETF document precluding .it from using some kind of internal ID ? No there isn't > >> - Registrant/admin/tech role required fields >> According to .it regulation, each contact cannot give the consent to publish the personal data on WHOIS. >> Street,City and Country are part of the personal data so they might not appear in a RDAP response >> > Empty data might seem to solve it as well, but I wonder whether this requirement also came from gTLD profile or from a technical standard ? No problem. I realized that these fields are required only in gTLD profile and can be empty in other cases. >> Maybe these problems are common to other ccTLDs. >> In my humble opinion, we need a discussion about the adoption of RDAP from ccTLDs in order to have, at the end, a RDAP profile for ccTLDs . > ccTLDs are known for liking their independence, so it's really up to you to make the .it RDAP profile... but there are some commonalities in the EEE (European Economic Area) that might suggest an European ccTLD RDAP profile that could include VAT, Privacy Laws etc. Perhaps CENTR could be a venue to that development ? > > This is what I really hope. At the last EPP workshop in Stockholm about EPP extensions all the partecipants agreed that there are two many extensions. So I wonder, what is the sense to have a RDAP profile for .it, a RDAP profile for .fr, and so on ? Maybe, for example, the concepts causing the introduction of non standard domain statuses in .it are similar to other countries. Now that we have two standards, EPP and RDAP, allowing a very high degree of technical interoperability, we should work to increase conceptual interoperability as much as possible. At least in Centr we should start a more standardized approach to the issue of local differences in order to limit the number of RDAP profiles as well as the number of EPP extensions. 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I would like to get feedback from the list regarding > this proposal. > > If you agree with the proposal, it would be great if you can reply to the > list in order to show the expert reviewer that there is consensus on the > list. > > Regards, > Gustavo > > _______________________________________________ > weirds mailing list > weirds@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds > From nobody Wed Nov 11 11:49:01 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E571D1B3941; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:48:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.431 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.431 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id clnHsSZsdCSh; 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Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20151113104509.14378.51007.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Qa9QMgkM4bbjErgMcmUnCdBux6dK6DrPW" Archived-At: Cc: Jothan Frakes Subject: [eppext] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-brown-epp-reverse-00.txt X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 11:02:11 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Qa9QMgkM4bbjErgMcmUnCdBux6dK6DrPW Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010509080208010801090505" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010509080208010801090505 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I've just uploaded an I-D for a new EPP extension. From the Introduction:= The Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) provides a way for clients to create and update objects in a central repository. Usually, the commands that a client sends to a server will have been initiated upon request of a human being. As a result, occasionally a command is sent which contains an error. [...] The extension described in this= document attempts to provide an additional remedy for [cases where the existing EPP command repertoire cannot be used] by providing a way for a client to request that a previous command be reversed. In order to reverse a command, the client need only record the returned by the server in its response to the command. Before starting work on this extension, I looked around to see if there was anything similar already out there. Nominet have an extension which allows clients to cancel commands[1] but I wasn't able to find anything that implemented a general purpose "undo". One thing on the roadmap is to add clarity about what should happen if the client tries to a command that is still pending (ie the original command got a 1001 response). Otherwise I think most of the bases have been covered. Comments and suggestions welcome as always! G. [1] http://registrars.nominet.org.uk/namespace/uk/registration-and-domain-man= agement/epp-commands#Unrenew --=20 Gavin Brown Chief Technology Officer CentralNic Group plc (LSE:CNIC) Innovative, Reliable and Flexible Registry Services for ccTLD, gTLD and private domain name registries https://www.centralnic.com/ CentralNic Group plc is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358. 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Name: draft-brown-epp-reverse Revision: 00 Title: Command Reversal Extension for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) Document date: 2015-11-13 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 9 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-brown-epp-reverse-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brown-epp-reverse/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brown-epp-reverse-00 Abstract: This document describes an Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) extension mapping for reversing previous EPP commands. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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These commands might not be undone without the knowledge of the svTRID. > I wasn't able to find anything that implemented a general purpose "undo". I'm not sure if I've seen anything like this, except for the "undo" renew from Nominet. In general delete will "undo" create, changes due to an update can be reverted by another update. There is nothing to "undo" a renew, but this might be nice, if you've added to many years. Would not allow it if the expire gets to old by the undo. 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requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE2CB1B303E for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 10:07:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.143] (unknown [31.74.104.127]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.centralnic.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8FBC3E1393; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 18:07:10 +0000 (UTC) To: "Gould, James" References: <20151113104509.14378.51007.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <5645C329.4030501@centralnic.com> From: Gavin Brown X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Organization: CentralNic Message-ID: <564B6CCA.1000704@centralnic.com> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 18:07:06 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="JMeI9U541StirqaCgtu1bQG8MIxsqfnUM" Archived-At: Cc: Jothan Frakes , "eppext@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eppext] New Version Notification for draft-brown-epp-reverse-00.txt X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 18:08:16 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --JMeI9U541StirqaCgtu1bQG8MIxsqfnUM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim, thanks for the feedback. > I have not heard of the need for such a undue or reverse feature, but > I=E2=80=99ll check to see whether this feature is useful with our produ= ct team. =20 We (CentralNic) frequently have to deal with requests from registrars where they have accidentally renewed a domain for too many years. Rather than just meet this need, I wanted to create an extension that had a wider scope. > From a protocol perspective, I have the same concern with this draft > that I did with the original version of draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay, > where a protocol extension (reverse:reverse) is being mixed with an > object extension (reverse:panData). I am not aware of any document which states that "elements called 'panData' may only be used in object extensions". There may be some XML convention that I'm not aware of; certainly that's not mentioned in RFCs 5730 and RFC 3735. I would be happy to give it another name, but I chose "panData" to stay consistent with the format of poll messages in other documents. How about ? Command completed successfully; ack to dequeue 2016-04-04T22:01:00.0Z Pending action completed successfully. ABC-12345 54321-XYZ 2016-04-04T22:00:00.0Z BCD-23456 65432-WXY > Mixing the two will result in urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:reverse-0.1 needin= g to be included > as both a and an in the greeting and login packets and > will require the use of two packet factories instead of one. That sounds like a very implementation-specific issue. None of the EPP clients and servers that I've created would need that sort of hackery to support this extension. > My recommendation is to handle it in a similar fashion with > draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay in using strictly an object extension, where= > reverse:create is used to submit the reversal request Yuck! > I am somewhat concerned that no additional context (object and command)= is > provided other then the server transaction identifier. The client does= > not state what the action was with the server transaction identifier an= d > the server does not state anything about what was really undone. The intention was that the reverse would be atomic, so that either all the changes in the original command are reversed, or none of them are. I'll add something to make that explicit. > What if the wrong transaction is undone This would only happen if a) the client sends the wrong transaction identifier or b) the server processes the command incorrectly. I don't see how this extension is uniquely at risk of either of these scenarios. Clients can shoot themselves in the foot just as easily with the other commands in the existing repertoire. > and what if the transaction is not the latest one on the object? In some situations/implementations, that wouldn't necessarily be a problem. We (CentralNic) can trivially reverse a without also reversing subsequent commands. If the server can't reverse a command because of a subsequent update, then it sends a 2400 response back to the client. I will add text to that effect to the draft. > I realize that the server transaction identifier is unique, but I would= n=E2=80=99t want to make it too > easy for inadvertent mistakes on an undo and I wouldn=E2=80=99t want to= cause issues with > the state of the object. As I mentioned above, such problems are already possible with the current repertoire of commands. Cheers, G. --=20 Gavin Brown Chief Technology Officer CentralNic Group plc (LSE:CNIC) Innovative, Reliable and Flexible Registry Services for ccTLD, gTLD and private domain name registries https://www.centralnic.com/ CentralNic Group plc is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358. 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These commands might not be undone > without the knowledge of the svTRID. Currently, the is mandatory but the is optional. This could be changed so that either (or both) can be specified. Thus, if the connection dropped before the client received the response, it could send a reverse using just its own . > There is nothing to "undo" a renew, but this might be nice, if you've a= dded to many > years. Would not allow it if the expire gets to old by the undo. That's a policy decision. But I would not expect any sane server implementation to allow a to be reversed if it had exited its grace period. G. --=20 Gavin Brown Chief Technology Officer CentralNic Group plc (LSE:CNIC) Innovative, Reliable and Flexible Registry Services for ccTLD, gTLD and private domain name registries https://www.centralnic.com/ CentralNic Group plc is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358. 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qf2mr1789492igb.20.1447831141194; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 23:19:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: jothan@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.158.163 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 23:18:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <564B6DCE.4090309@centralnic.com> References: <20151113104509.14378.51007.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <5645C329.4030501@centralnic.com> <5645C677.1070108@internetx.com> <564B6DCE.4090309@centralnic.com> From: Jothan Frakes Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 23:18:21 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: VFUC64o56KarIeF8VjkgV3ORm4M Message-ID: To: Gavin Brown Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c39d50dda3340524cb7428 Archived-At: Cc: Volker Janzen Notify , "eppext@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eppext] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-brown-epp-reverse-00.txt X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 07:19:04 -0000 --001a11c39d50dda3340524cb7428 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > There is nothing to "undo" a renew, but this might be nice, if you've > added to many > > years. Would not allow it if the expire gets to old by the undo. > That's a policy decision. But I would not expect any sane server > implementation to allow a to be reversed if it had exited its > grace period. =E2=80=8BI dunno about sane - registry premium domains have revised the new measurement for sane to be candid. Especially related to premium renewal rates (vs. everything at a flat regfee) I am starting to see some registries make friendly amendments to their premium renewal pricing - either accepting standard regfee as a 'deposit' on the renewal (many registrars are still working the kinks out on premium renewals) and then allowing the remainder amount to be paid out of band. = =E2=80=8B I have also heard rumor that some registries have chosen to relax their premium renewals in order to keep two digit renewal percentages at the anniversary of premium names, or forgiving them on a case by case basis. An automated renewal -might- process with a premium price and need to be rolled back, or vice-versa. I could see the registry instead implementing undo somewhere in the mix related to renewals in these situations. Jothan Frakes +1.206-355-0230 tel +1.206-201-6881 fax =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Gavin Brown wrote: > Hi Volker, > > >> In order to reverse a command, the client need only record the > >> returned by the server in its response to the command. > > > > is there a solution in case of the client was not able to receive the > > answer due to a network error? These commands might not be undone > > without the knowledge of the svTRID. > > Currently, the is mandatory but the is optional. This > could be changed so that either (or both) can be specified. Thus, if the > connection dropped before the client received the response, it could > send a reverse using just its own . > > > There is nothing to "undo" a renew, but this might be nice, if you've > added to many > > years. Would not allow it if the expire gets to old by the undo. > > That's a policy decision. But I would not expect any sane server > implementation to allow a to be reversed if it had exited its > grace period. > > G. > > -- > Gavin Brown > Chief Technology Officer > CentralNic Group plc (LSE:CNIC) > Innovative, Reliable and Flexible Registry Services > for ccTLD, gTLD and private domain name registries > https://www.centralnic.com/ > > CentralNic Group plc is a company registered in England and Wales with > company number 8576358. Registered Offices: 35-39 Moorgate, London, > EC2R 6AR. > > > _______________________________________________ > EppExt mailing list > EppExt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext > > --001a11c39d50dda3340524cb7428 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> There is nothing to "undo" a renew, but= this might be nice, if you've added to many
> years. Would not allow i= t if the expire gets to old by the undo.
That's a policy decision. But I would not expect any= sane server
implementation to allow a <renew> to be reversed if it had = exited its
grace period.

=E2=80=8BI dunno abou= t sane - registry premium domains have revised the new measurement for sane= to be candid.=C2=A0 Especially related to premium renewal rates (vs. every= thing at a flat regfee)

I am starting to see some registries make fr= iendly amendments to their premium renewal pricing - either accepting stand= ard regfee as a 'deposit' on the renewal (many registrars are still= working the kinks out on premium renewals) and then allowing the remainder= amount to be paid out of band. =E2=80=8B =C2=A0

I have also heard rumor that some regi= stries have chosen to relax their premium renewals in order to keep two dig= it renewal percentages at the anniversary of premium names, or forgiving th= em on a case by case basis.=C2=A0 An automated renewal -might- process with= a premium price and need to be rolled back, or vice-versa.

I could see the registry in= stead implementing undo somewhere in the mix related to renewals in these s= ituations.


Jothan Frakes
+1.206-355-0230 tel
+1.= 206-201-6881 fax
=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
=

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:11 AM, = Gavin Brown <gavin.brown@centralnic.com> wrote:
=
Hi Volker,

>> In order to reverse a command, the client need only record the
>> <svTRID> returned by the server in its response to the comma= nd.
>
> is there a solution in case of the client was not able to recei= ve the
> answer due to a network error? These commands might not be undone
> without the knowledge of the svTRID.

Currently, the <svTRID> is mandatory but the <clTRID> is option= al. This
could be changed so that either (or both) can be specified. Thus, if the connection dropped before the client received the response, it could
send a reverse using just its own <clTRID>.

> There is nothing to "undo" a renew, but this might be nice, = if you've added to many
> years. Would not allow it if the expire gets to old by the undo.

That's a policy decision. But I would not expect any sane server
implementation to allow a <renew> to be reversed if it had exited its=
grace period.

G.

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Chief Technology Officer
CentralNic Group plc (LSE:CNIC)
Innovative, Reliable and Flexible Registry Services
for ccTLD, gTLD and private domain name registries
https://www.centralnic.com/

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The advantage = of the create is that you are creating a reversal request object that = can be processed synchronously or asynchronously with all of the = features of a object extension (transaction identifiers and = command-response extensions). The pending action poll message can = asynchronously return the pending action result or you can provide = support for an info command and response for retrieving the status of = the reversal request on demand. =20 =46rom a personal perspective I agree with Gavin: Yuck! However the = question is what the goal of this draft is: - Document the existing implementation for registration in EPP IANA = registry? Then you can do whatever you like, get an expert review and = leave the document as you wish - Ask for WG-adoption and go for Standards Track; Ai, you might end up = in the same situation as the keyrelay draft where there was a status quo = on how to continue with the XML structure. In the end there were four = people expressing their opinion on this matter and I decided to follow = that advice, beside my own personal preference. Can you tell us what your plans are for this draft?=20 One other question: How does the server hello message look like with = respect to this extension?=20 Gr, Rik --Apple-Mail=_772F9AA8-3ED6-4C3D-9F98-E6D3F706D1BE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On 17 Nov 2015, at 20:37, Gould, James <JGould@verisign.com>= wrote:


My recommendation is to handle it in = a similar fashion with
draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay in using = strictly an object extension, where
reverse:create is used = to submit the reversal request

<imho>Yuck!</imho>


I=E2=80=99m= not sure why use of a create to submit a reversal request is not more = natural then creating a protocol extension.  The advantage of the = create is that you are creating a reversal request object that can be = processed synchronously or asynchronously with all of the features of a = object extension (transaction identifiers and command-response = extensions).  The pending action poll message can asynchronously = return the pending action result or you can provide support for an info = command and response for retrieving the status of the reversal request = on demand.  

=46rom a personal perspective I agree with Gavin: Yuck! =  However the question is what the goal of this draft is:

- Document the existing = implementation for registration in EPP IANA registry? Then you can do = whatever you like, get an expert review and leave the document as you = wish

- Ask for = WG-adoption and go for Standards Track; Ai, you might end up in the same = situation as the keyrelay draft where there was a status quo on how to = continue with the XML structure. In the end there were four people = expressing their opinion on this matter and I decided to follow that = advice, beside my own personal preference.

Can you tell us what your plans are for = this draft? 

One other question: How does the server hello message look = like with respect to this extension? 

Gr,
Rik

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rechartering? Thread-Index: AQHRItFfXGJS8CmqWEipD7AqtB1dOA== Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:51:21 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: nl-NL, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.168.4.196] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6191532C-ADD0-4652-BCFD-33DBC4F086FF"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [eppext] Progress on rechartering? X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:51:25 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6191532C-ADD0-4652-BCFD-33DBC4F086FF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 All, Any update on the rechartering? I was expecting the milestones as = discussed on the WG session by now on the mailinglist (Jim? Antoin?) for = discussion. 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2015 06:11:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0101FBC0-248F-4560-9364-F023B901A959@zdns.cn> <38638B99-20DF-40B3-B431-36ECFE27485F@sidn.nl> <2015110519525639913345@teleinfo.cn> <77db8b89.aea.150d83acd38.Coremail.zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn> <425852A8-E258-4660-BB6D-6D78A2CD1D27@verisign.com> <2BD325B9-FC16-45F9-AE5B-4A11E1404161@verisign.com> In-Reply-To: <2BD325B9-FC16-45F9-AE5B-4A11E1404161@verisign.com> From: Ulrich Wisser Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 14:11:09 +0000 Message-ID: To: Antoin Verschuren Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11419caa2d1b4f0524e555da Archived-At: Cc: eppext Subject: Re: [eppext] Minutes for our meeting in Yokohama IETF94 X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 14:11:22 -0000 --001a11419caa2d1b4f0524e555da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 There has been some insecurity about the hums at the meeting. We did more than two, but we couldn't really decide what we did hum about after the fact. As I recall the meeting there were only two hums that did really count. The two hums that Antoin mentioned. These are reflected in the minutes. Could one of the chairs please upload the minutes. It seems only chairs can do that. /Ulrich -- Ulrich Wisser ulrich@wisser.se --001a11419caa2d1b4f0524e555da Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There has been some insecurity about the hums at the meeti= ng. We did more than two, but we couldn't really decide what we did hum= about after the fact. As I recall the meeting there were only two hums tha= t did really count. The two hums that Antoin mentioned.
These are refle= cted in the minutes.=C2=A0
Could one of the chairs please upload = the minutes. It seems only chairs can do that.

/Ul= rich

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Hi Rik,
Thanks for your comments. Please s= ee my feedback inline.
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Linli= n Zhou
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Date: 2015-11-06 09:07
Subject: Re: [eppext] I-D Action: draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping-02.txt<= /div>
Hello Linlin= ,

Like stated in the W= G I=E2=80=99ve collected my comments on the mapping draft.

Section 3.1&nbs= p;

- Add a clari= fication sentence "All reseller objects are identified by a server-unique = identifier" (same as the reseller extension draft)
[L= inlin] Ok. This should be added.

Section 3.3

- The Reseller state; I would have expected the epp statusses= there. During the WG-meeting there were different opinions here. My prefe= rence would be to use epp statussen as a reseller in this draft is modelle= d as a fullblown EPP object. I'm curious to hear what other people think o= n this. If we decide not to go for app statuses I will request a subset of= status values to match our implementation (I know at least one but have t= o check for others).
[Linlin] Yes, I would like also = hear more about others' opinions, epp status, subset of epp status or some= customized status? Could you provide your status examples?

- The reseller draft states th= at a reseller can be referenced (optionally) by a name. In the XML structu= re there is no name at the highest level, only at add the postalInfo level= . As a postal info can occur more then once in the xml there is no way to = identify which name to use. This was addressed in the WG session and there= are 2 possible solutions:
    1 remove the= name in the reseller draft as it is optional. 
=     2 add the name to the reseller object in this draft; The onl= y thing to consider is do we need the name at the postalInfo level then.
I'd prefer option 1, but I can live with option 2
[Linlin] I also think option 1 is a simple solution to th= is issue.

- the XSD; with a= ll EPP schemas there is a schemaLocation attribute (see domain an contact = RFCs) I don't see them in the XSDs here. Allthough it is an optional field= I would put them there for consistency reasons.
[Lin= lin] Actually I didn't find the schemaLocation = attribute in RFC5731 and 5733. Could you help give me some hint?

- the XSD; I would= strongly recommend reusing XML Type from other EPP objects if available. = There are several Types in the XSD which are already available in the othe= r existing XSD, why not reuse them. Escpecially when there is already a de= pendancy on the contact xsd in there. Below a list of type which are candi= dates for replacing. The list is probably longer.
&nb= sp;   * contactAddrType --> reuse from domain-1.0.xsd 
<= div class=3D"">    * contactType     --> reuse from= domain-1.0.xsd (depends on contactAddrType)
  &= nbsp; * postalInfoType  --> could be reused from contact-1.0.xsd d= epending on how the name referencing issue is resolved (see remark below)<= /div>
    * addrType        -= -> reuse from contact-1.0.xsd
    * disc= loseType    --> reuse from contact-1.0.xsd
    * creDataType     --> reuse from contact-1.0= .xsd
    * checkType       -= -> reuse from contact-1.0.xsd 
    = * chkDataType     --> reuse from contact-1.0.xsd
[Linlin] Yes, this is a good suggestion. I'll consider revising t= he XSD.

- the XSD; the post= alInfoType is almost the same as the contact one except the org field is m= issing. In chgPostalInfoType there is a org element. This is inconsistent.= If the org element should be there as an optional field more types can be= resumed.
[Linlin] Originally, we thought that a rese= ller name may be the same with a reseller org, so this element was deleted= in the postalInfo. But for the consistency, this element could be an opti= onal element.

- = I've found the XSD refactoring the file itself. It removes over 100 lines = from the XSD and makes it more understandable on how the object is constru= cted. I can provide it if you want. 
[Linlin] Th= anks.

I did not = go through all the text so there might be more comments, but if we decide = to go for this reuse of elements in the psd there is much text to change.&= nbsp;

Gr,
<= div class=3D"">Rik


On 12 Oct 2015, at 12:27, Linlin Zhou <zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn> wrote:

The reseller draft is updated to 02 version according to WG discu= ssion. Any comments are welcome.
The name suggested by Marc of this draft is planning to be changed next version. The rese= ller status and postalinfo issues would like to be discussed in WG meeting= . 

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Linlin Zhou
<= blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.5e= m; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-varia= nt: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; te= xt-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: norm= al; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" clas= s=3D"">
 
From: internet-drafts
Date: 2015-10-12 11:12
= To: i-d-annou= nce@ietf.org
Subject: I-D = Action: draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping-02.txt
 
A New Internet-Draft = is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 
 
  =       Title      &n= bsp;    : Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) Reseller M= apping
        Aut= hors         : Linlin Zhou
          =             &n= bsp;   Ning Kong
    &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;         Chao Qi
           &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;  Xiaodong Lee
     &= nbsp;           &nb= sp;        James Gould
Filename        : draft-zhou-eppe= xt-reseller-mapping-02.txt
Pages   &nb= sp;       : 31
Date&nbs= p;           : 2015-10-1= 1
 
Abstract:
   This document describes an Extensible Provisioning Pr= otocol (EPP)
   mapping for provisioning an= d management of reseller object stored in
  = ; a shared central repository.  Specified in Extensible Markup Langua= ge
   (XML), this extended mapping is appli= ed to provide additional
   features requir= ed for the provisioning of resellers.
 
 
The IETF datatracker status page = for this draft is:
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There's also a htmlized version availabl= e at:
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A diff from the previous version is available at:
 
 
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=0A ------=_001_NextPart765487284341_=------ From nobody Thu Nov 19 23:41:09 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269881A89FA for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 23:41:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.49 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.49 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.585, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r-PPt8sMP7pl for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 23:41:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from arn2-kamx.sidn.nl (kamx.sidn.nl [IPv6:2a00:d78:0:147:94:198:152:69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F37171A89F0 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 23:41:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; d=sidn.nl; s=sidn-nl; c=relaxed/relaxed; h=from:to:cc:subject:thread-topic:thread-index:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to:accept-language:content-language:x-ms-has-attach:x-ms-tnef-correlator:x-mailer:x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader:x-originating-ip:content-type:mime-version; bh=TBMYoEQW9qHCxmbSosvQy4u2IPFoXKs1FwSFnRp8P4E=; b=vA5Ypq0a1ZG+hnLrlEKsaAs1bIB91EmQR2QCUTNcx769VdXu5JIYncqC8xAcyFJpkP/EpOuU3LDxGIAIbVw84ryWLyQld1KF8VIlL9FkVgh5iACWQEa+ikZ7Y3yOOZihj6nuluxB4pYhWMNKyQZ7B7Gs/Ij+BnzxwhC8v4SfgjO5PGqrRdLKtmSnG6LrK0xE1NrwPFSsGIdo1bAp32KnpsDJCrA6AQPRPWgtonw2rxUKx3lMltedNIOg59NIW8XylDJIruxw3RQtjEPdNOyOECz+7FQdW+4lq3p4RvSXb56Abp152Mo+g5IV7yiXrLJMDU+URHVxDRcOkRtmmEadvw== Received: from ka-mbx02.SIDN.local ([192.168.2.178]) by arn2-kamx.sidn.nl with ESMTP id tAK7f1gX008963-tAK7f1gZ008963 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=CAFAIL); Fri, 20 Nov 2015 08:41:01 +0100 Received: from ka-mbx02.SIDN.local (192.168.2.178) by ka-mbx02.SIDN.local (192.168.2.178) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1076.9; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 08:41:01 +0100 Received: from ka-mbx02.SIDN.local ([fe80::9855:369a:1ca4:6549]) by ka-mbx02.SIDN.local ([fe80::9855:369a:1ca4:6549%13]) with mapi id 15.00.1076.000; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 08:41:01 +0100 From: Rik Ribbers To: Linlin Zhou Thread-Topic: [eppext] I-D Action: draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping-02.txt Thread-Index: AQHRGC9zmQfPnDfAVEG2LPjZusg/6Z6kR3W4gABFAIA= Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 07:41:01 +0000 Message-ID: References: <2015101211271706831021@cnnic.cn> <4B1E0C5A-4AF5-467C-B003-566A43F843F4@sidn.nl> <2015112010340024098728@cnnic.cn> In-Reply-To: <2015112010340024098728@cnnic.cn> Accept-Language: nl-NL, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.168.4.171] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_9057D26A-05EA-446D-90C1-60744151E9EE"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: nkong , "eppext@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eppext] I-D Action: draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping-02.txt X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 07:41:08 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_9057D26A-05EA-446D-90C1-60744151E9EE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B9822722-B52E-4163-B606-98AE369CA1C5" --Apple-Mail=_B9822722-B52E-4163-B606-98AE369CA1C5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > [Linlin] Yes, I would like also hear more about others' opinions, epp = status, subset of epp status or some customized status? Could you = provide your status examples? [rik] Yes I can: linked; Reseller linked to at least one domain ok; Normal (default) status =20 pendingUpdate; Reseller in progress > [Linlin] Actually I didn't find the schemaLocation attribute in = RFC5731 and 5733. Could you help give me some hint? [rik] You are completely correct. This is an mistake by my own, I have = some tooling in place where I added it myself to get the xml validation = up and running=E2=80=A6. Gr, Rik=20 --Apple-Mail=_B9822722-B52E-4163-B606-98AE369CA1C5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
[Linlin] Yes, I would like also hear more about others' = opinions, epp status, subset of epp status or some customized status? = Could you provide your status = examples?

[rik] Yes I can:
linked; Reseller linked to at = least one domain
ok; Normal (default) status   =    = = =        
pendingUpdate; Reseller <update> in = progress

[Linlin] Actually I = didn't find the schemaLocation attribute in = RFC5731 and 5733. Could you help give me some = hint?

[rik] You are completely correct. This = is an mistake by my own, I have some tooling in place where I added it = myself to get the xml validation up and running=E2=80=A6.

Gr,
Rik 



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Organization: AFNIC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.8.5-2+b1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [eppext] schemaLocation (was Re: I-D Action: draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping-02.txt) X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 09:38:46 -0000 Le vendredi 20 novembre 2015 à 07:41 +0000, Rik Ribbers a écrit : > [rik] You are completely correct. This is an mistake by my own, I have > some tooling in place where I added it myself to get the xml > validation up and running…. It would maybe be interesting/into EPPEXT scope, to provide some guidance to extensions' authors, both on the namespace to use (as there is a lot of ways, from http://whatever to urn:ietf:whatever to urn:X-whatever and so on), and if the schemaLocation attribute should/must be included. There is nothing (a little on namespaces but really nothing on schemaLocation) in RFC3735 about that and a ton of new extensions have been created since then. Also in fact by re-reading this RFC now I come over this part, which does not seem to me very well in line with the existence of the IANA registry on EPP extensions: Extensions need not be published as Internet-Draft or RFC documents if they are intended for operation in a closed environment or are otherwise intended for a limited audience. In such cases extensions MAY be documented in a file and structural format that is appropriate for the intended audience -- Patrick Mevzek From nobody Fri Nov 20 04:03:37 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E5891B2EB0 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 04:03:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sGhRs74Hq0iz for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 04:03:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qg0-x262.google.com (mail-qg0-x262.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::262]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 172CB1B2EC2 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 04:03:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by qgae107 with SMTP id e107so7094618qga.1 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 04:03:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=verisign-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:to:subject:thread-topic:thread-index:date:message-id :references:in-reply-to:accept-language:content-language :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=glOC+Dv7047crbKQw6r961u40SrX16fw1p4ZsX0RLjI=; b=noF9Ao9rRaJI9EiX10J5Tm6JGTH/Fy1VFq6k8PJOcfpmi6kXDoUyGOYzMcgs2zHJKb ZLefVzodzPNY4Trol58wk3dTFv+iC7nK/jNLjTKwlWkw0++sg/WSd5rnNj8GcOjW++MK tkR4dVW/KJXBW6ZQscIzJwXPOy4810s6thWnjCbh/711LCigY5cXbxuxgIrxaato24Di vm1BvIIb9yhVYwlPAQwaUTz2Fu6+xImE1PFqeKuL7GTbigBW6L7SGSZmMPKy6rJEGmNS 2rbm9CKo6WyLoAgBF4vIeDUMhlntI6YqRhL+kMRBWGCrm4DnY9LnfTXB/uZxRb0Rp7VO iesA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:thread-topic:thread-index:date :message-id:references:in-reply-to:accept-language:content-language :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=glOC+Dv7047crbKQw6r961u40SrX16fw1p4ZsX0RLjI=; b=NapCNn2FGcKU+gGOJFbYwNx40mhi1yS7w5cab/53cjz8BPgC2Iwn3gjnqeUiRLY9wK 5b51ijr2p9NKimZdqgi2NtTBdRGP5Rf62GHgsitrao+XAWmu5tagvkK/E+kpZDP5/d+l xBl4vf/+QJRLC1w//iI1wBpf75FzRSE2W2lPAyIe7K1Sx+lqX14feK2YEC7MnqouFGdF UY8uhW0VQkqdaFfg1sidj7euiX9D3ByMahnIbFzMGIShfSFWPCHO+FWP5DGN/BmEXOQg 4E0nPqG3mVG79uVwN5ZdAXTgEdg4Y4qlDAkXSfSBVGp5y9Q84+SIr0om3lnygdK5lu7J mrGw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkmrZ0aPdynlPS0XVTXhniX1WajbAR0+1PksCG2h7+6gcXlRRWCuqDtNHunYB96+r0A9PatPTuwuN88ToGZN/yD+JKZGA== X-Received: by 10.55.78.143 with SMTP id c137mr12464154qkb.72.1448021011199; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 04:03:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from brn1lxmailout01.verisign.com (brn1lxmailout01.verisign.com. 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bh=eC+28Zo60TyGEwyZfItfWG5JLks/QOK1jwsAIqpHkIM=; b=0m11LjLTZcDkOK97epoAAWrwckWAiPKhQZyiy4LgEaCIcCEYaq0nkz357TK+AQXU/C LIWfmvLpNv3cLMwXEjEixHtK/BkUyHOReicGlBZLt79YaVOQvew7R4B/0kckwWsgxPnL eoHXucZ5Z8uowTd1uvl0p2XBakJ6tPAIhOMRFjMbBRwF+tJWOk0Mnaz5JmvE2RYcF1T6 Hh7qybl91rzfEGsVHTT/MMMAel5cyJ6KenbWixJ94h6+g5n8PljaAy3o4p/jMenlDn0g 8bO32b0L/mgMF+d8FdQ11M/jWpXpySLo/JwmI6lZagct9l87GVor0B14xzug96ANeFOp 14fw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.150.135 with SMTP id y129mr1247996vkd.156.1448049732027; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:02:12 -0800 (PST) Sender: barryleiba@gmail.com Received: by 10.31.182.135 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:02:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:02:11 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: bqV0ltMudk8Aa_LO1CaP6f8L5UI Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay@ietf.org, Rik Ribbers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: eppext Subject: [eppext] AD review of draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay-10 X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 20:02:17 -0000 My apologies for the long delay in handling this publication request: I've had a month straight of travel, including a little personal vacation at the beginning and end. I'm back and running full steam, and reviewing the backlog of publication requests from several working groups. Thanks for the patience. This document is well written, and I have only a few editorial comments of the most minor kind. Please put fixes for these in your edit queue -- none of them need to block last call, so I'll request that tout de suite after I send this message. -- Section 1 -- There are certain transactions initiated by a DNS-operator, which require an authenticated exchange of information between DNS- operators. Often, there is no direct channel between these parties or it is non-scalable and insecure. A picky English usage thing: in the first sentence you should remove the comma and change "which" to "that". I can explain if you want to know why (just ask), or you can look up the difference between a restrictive clause (which it should be) and a non-restrictive clause (which it is). -- Section 1.2 (also Section 6) -- You refer to this as "this I-D", which won't make sense when it's published as an RFC. Please change to "this document". -- Section 2.1.1 -- Should the two instances of "previously send" be "previously sent"? -- Barry From nobody Fri Nov 20 12:28:46 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059A41B3D51; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:28:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.621 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.621 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bePy3G7e2qOg; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:28:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vk0-x22d.google.com (mail-vk0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D20BE1B3D50; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:28:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by vkay187 with SMTP id y187so5257523vka.3; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:28:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=GXtDVDcqASs5P98HCpiVVw8Ck11G704ehHzLmeQ1FZE=; b=Nwxn7DY7mN+gdeKDZEs6ewkSxa1zxBtmZsRv6y0bEEIUiL3PgXtxru5GlH5Wdy4k8l oOq6hEIj+jqu1oFNpYmErRd4M7g+BT7p4r5md2fwDAnxp5ZRmmeKI02igekMx/Qv2F6t JWFYDLi+Vl3PZdAF79TRYYNkcFFsruiRJqLLqTm5K/uYvXDXUAxHDwnExk6woESLrHGm lmj9+0buVeccDoEIgjWCB9xDD5Y+BacPHHAJ+8cjN495oTK2pxD3wk+UZn4caA1lAkUE IVp1C4Wd+hAP++FSxK1stPCAdqUkBH/P54fxpQ0sRLL0c/O0/kpkHHezd8VSGAmaMjFr JwcQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.107.193 with SMTP id k62mr1343714vki.27.1448051319869; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:28:39 -0800 (PST) Sender: barryleiba@gmail.com Received: by 10.31.182.135 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:28:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:28:39 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: NozA1pW98IGJxosuFBtRUfE3hZQ Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: eppext Subject: [eppext] AD review of draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd-03 X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 20:28:45 -0000 As with the keyrelay document, please accept my apology for the delay in processing this. And as with that document, my comments are just the most minor editorial things, and I will request last call as soon as I send this message. -- Section 2.1 -- First, is it assumed that if an element is not marked as OPTIONAL, it's REQUIRED? Would it be good to state that at the top? Second, I have a general aversion to saying, "X is OPTIONAL... except that it's not optional in a particular situation." (It's less confusing, I think, to reverse that.) What you really mean in the first two "child elements" bullets is that you MUST specify at least one of and . It might be better to say it that way. Maybe this?: OLD * An OPTIONAL element that contains the name of the holder. A MUST be specified in case is not specified. * An OPTIONAL element that contains the name of the organization holder of the mark. A MUST be specified in case is not specified. NEW * A element that contains the name of the holder. At least one of and MUST be specified, and is OPTIONAL if is specified. * A element that contains the name of the organization holder of the mark. At least one of and MUST be specified, and is OPTIONAL if is specified. END -- Section 2.5 -- It's a little odd to have this say "Appendix A" in the section title, no? Is there any real value in including the entire, 2.5-page-long base64? Is it really intended that anyone will extract that from the document and decode it? Or is the point just to show how the base64 data is wrapped in the encodedSignedMark element? If so, why not just this?: NEW PD94bWwgdmVyc2lvbj0iMS4wIiBlbmNvZGluZz0iVVRGLTgiPz4KPHNtZDpzaWduZWRNYXJ rIHhtbG5zOnNtZD0idXJuOmlldGY6cGFyYW1zOnhtbDpuczpzaWduZWRNYXJrLTEuMCIgaW ... (base64 data elided for brevity) ... PC9zbWQ6c2lnbmVkTWFyaz4= END -- Barry From nobody Fri Nov 20 13:05:49 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietf.org Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E70791B3DF5; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 13:05:47 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.10.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Sender: Message-ID: <20151120210547.19513.70351.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 13:05:47 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: eppext-chairs@ietf.org, ulrich@wisser.se, draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay@ietf.org, barryleiba@gmail.com, eppext@ietf.org Subject: [eppext] Last Call: (Key Relay Mapping for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 21:05:48 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Extensible Provisioning Protocol Extensions WG (eppext) to consider the following document: - 'Key Relay Mapping for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2015-12-04. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document describes an Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) mapping for a key relay object that relays DNSSEC key material between EPP clients using the poll queue defined in RFC5730. This key relay mapping will help facilitate changing the DNS operator of a domain while keeping the DNSSEC chain of trust intact. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay/ballot/ The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2393/ From nobody Fri Nov 20 13:31:23 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietf.org Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213B71B3E56; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 13:31:20 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.10.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Sender: Message-ID: <20151120213120.760.71791.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 13:31:20 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd@ietf.org, eppext-chairs@ietf.org, eppext@ietf.org, barryleiba@gmail.com, nkong@cnnic.cn Subject: [eppext] Last Call: (Mark and Signed Mark Objects Mapping) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 21:31:20 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Extensible Provisioning Protocol Extensions WG (eppext) to consider the following document: - 'Mark and Signed Mark Objects Mapping' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2015-12-04. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document describes the format of a mark and a digitally signed mark used by trademark holders for registering domain names during the sunrise phase of generic Top Level Domains (gTLDs). The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From nobody Tue Nov 24 00:31:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89021A1A2E; Tue, 24 Nov 2015 00:31:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.491 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.491 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.585, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ey8ENraKGnZX; Tue, 24 Nov 2015 00:31:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from arn2-kamx.sidn.nl (kamx.sidn.nl [IPv6:2a00:d78:0:147:94:198:152:69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30E801A1A2D; Tue, 24 Nov 2015 00:31:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; d=sidn.nl; s=sidn-nl; c=relaxed/relaxed; h=from:to:cc:subject:thread-topic:thread-index:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to:accept-language:content-language:x-ms-has-attach:x-ms-tnef-correlator:x-mailer:x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype:x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader:x-originating-ip:content-type:mime-version; bh=21P8wWxP2Yb6bt9IFiK6H6ZIRzqJh6gimbxm0RGAJ+I=; b=FW0bzeahVazldEapRs71CEucTumvsPO5YHd41PKVEpGg/ysDHGX+gPhXoovO39fMd/zDGYbVs/uagqXtNI5j6JN1nscLv1Uz+z++1ZW+XPrt4Zk4YLC7rdiyuGcLMV5S7G3XUm79MsCpsKCAQrskp1hRLXIVwlyagkOClbYPIu4/DTv3PHTcFrl+xW3S2jRpBqOqxK6YT97O1Wi3LCD3qzksEIPXu0QhnOykfmd/Zy7Ey1tDp4i/jOzkOrtpm6DypAuSFSuwtxGvhuXAiz2M7xCvALSPoVhbw0yW5HT7MmPvoZoqThSWxYwQI7Nh8YMBm+Va93ShQBIkFz0Qm9V4lg== Received: from ka-mbx03.SIDN.local ([192.168.2.179]) by arn2-kamx.sidn.nl with ESMTP id tAO8UvM2019722-tAO8UvM4019722 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=CAFAIL); Tue, 24 Nov 2015 09:30:57 +0100 Received: from ka-mbx02.SIDN.local (192.168.2.178) by ka-mbx03.SIDN.local (192.168.2.179) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1130.7; Tue, 24 Nov 2015 09:30:58 +0100 Received: from ka-mbx02.SIDN.local ([fe80::9855:369a:1ca4:6549]) by ka-mbx02.SIDN.local ([fe80::9855:369a:1ca4:6549%13]) with mapi id 15.00.1130.005; Tue, 24 Nov 2015 09:30:57 +0100 From: Rik Ribbers To: "ietf@ietf.org" , eppext Thread-Topic: [eppext] Last Call: (Key Relay Mapping for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol) to Proposed Standard Thread-Index: AQHRI9c9mqjacnt7v06ATNpNWCL6b56qzG4A Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 08:30:57 +0000 Message-ID: <42B2B74B-2194-434E-9471-924964FA957E@sidn.nl> References: <20151120210547.19513.70351.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20151120210547.19513.70351.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: nl-NL, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.168.4.213] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_EB201A4A-DD37-40CF-81BA-F862C23BBFE3"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "eppext-chairs@ietf.org" , Ulrich Wisser , "barryleiba@gmail.com" Subject: Re: [eppext] Last Call: (Key Relay Mapping for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 08:31:02 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_EB201A4A-DD37-40CF-81BA-F862C23BBFE3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello All, Based on the discussion the reseller drafts within the EPPEXT working = group I revisited the keyrelay draft and came to the conclusion I want = to change something in the XML schema. As it is in last call I post this = message in the IETF list and the WG list. What is the issue: In this thread there is a discussion on the XML schema attribute = schemaLocation. =20 https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eppext/current/msg00841.html=20 Having read the XML schema specification this attribute can be used in a = document to provide hints as to the physical location of schema = documents which may be used for assessment. In other words it is = optional and is treated as a hint for XML parsers. We have added the = schemaLocation to the XSDs in our own SRS implementation for XML = validation and that's how it ended op in the keyrelay document. Looking at the other EPP RFC (RFC5731,RFC5732,RFC5733) there is no = schemaLocation attribute in the XML schema, so my proposal below makes = the keyrelay document more in sync with the existing RFCs. My proposal is to change the following in Chapter 4 Formal syntax: into Is there any objection to doing this? Any other remarks? Kind regards, Rik Ribbers > On 20 Nov 2015, at 22:05, The IESG wrote: >=20 >=20 > The IESG has received a request from the Extensible Provisioning = Protocol > Extensions WG (eppext) to consider the following document: > - 'Key Relay Mapping for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol' > as Proposed Standard >=20 > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits > final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the > ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2015-12-04. Exceptionally, comments may = be > sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the > beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. >=20 > Abstract >=20 >=20 > This document describes an Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) > mapping for a key relay object that relays DNSSEC key material > between EPP clients using the poll queue defined in RFC5730. >=20 > This key relay mapping will help facilitate changing the DNS = operator > of a domain while keeping the DNSSEC chain of trust intact. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > The file can be obtained via > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay/ >=20 > IESG discussion can be tracked via > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay/ballot/ >=20 >=20 > The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D: >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2393/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > EppExt mailing list > EppExt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext >=20 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Any update on the rechartering? I was exp= ecting the milestones as discussed on the WG session by now on the mailing= list (Jim? Antoin?) for discussion. It has already been 2 weeks since the = Yokohama meeting.
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[72.13.63.41]) by smtp-relay.gmail.com with ESMTPS id p23sm2150509qkl.0.2015.11.24.13.46.32 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 24 Nov 2015 13:46:32 -0800 (PST) X-Relaying-Domain: verisign.com Received: from brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexcas01 [10.173.152.205]) by brn1lxmailout01.verisign.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tAOLkVof006192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Nov 2015 16:46:32 -0500 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Tue, 24 Nov 2015 16:46:31 -0500 From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: Rik Ribbers Thread-Topic: [eppext] Last Call: (Key Relay Mapping for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol) to Proposed Standard Thread-Index: AQHRI9c9mqjacnt7v06ATNpNWCL6b56qzG4AgADvDME= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 21:46:29 +0000 Message-ID: <600A70B7-3B5B-43DB-A0F3-829DF64C22FA@verisign.com> References: <20151120210547.19513.70351.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com>, <42B2B74B-2194-434E-9471-924964FA957E@sidn.nl> In-Reply-To: <42B2B74B-2194-434E-9471-924964FA957E@sidn.nl> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "eppext-chairs@ietf.org" , Ulrich Wisser , "ietf@ietf.org" , "barryleiba@gmail.com" , eppext Subject: Re: [eppext] Last Call: (Key Relay Mapping for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 21:46:40 -0000 I think that's a good fix, Rik. Scott > On Nov 24, 2015, at 3:31 AM, Rik Ribbers wrote: >=20 > Hello All, >=20 > Based on the discussion the reseller drafts within the EPPEXT working gro= up I revisited the keyrelay draft and came to the conclusion I want to chan= ge something in the XML schema. As it is in last call I post this message i= n the IETF list and the WG list. >=20 > What is the issue: > In this thread there is a discussion on the XML schema attribute schemaLo= cation. =20 > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eppext/current/msg00841.html=20 >=20 > Having read the XML schema specification this attribute can be used in a = document to provide hints as to the physical location of schema documents w= hich may be used for assessment. In other words it is optional and is treat= ed as a hint for XML parsers. We have added the schemaLocation to the XSDs = in our own SRS implementation for XML validation and that's how it ended op= in the keyrelay document. >=20 > Looking at the other EPP RFC (RFC5731,RFC5732,RFC5733) there is no schema= Location attribute in the XML schema, so my proposal below makes the keyrel= ay document more in sync with the existing RFCs. >=20 > My proposal is to change the following in Chapter 4 Formal syntax: >=20 > schemaLocation=3D"epp-1.0.xsd" /> > schemaLocation=3D"eppcom-1.0.xsd" /> > schemaLocation=3D"secdns-1.1.xsd" /> > schemaLocation=3D"domain-1.0.xsd" /> >=20 > into >=20 > > > > >=20 > Is there any objection to doing this? Any other remarks? >=20 > Kind regards, > Rik Ribbers >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 20 Nov 2015, at 22:05, The IESG wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> The IESG has received a request from the Extensible Provisioning Protoco= l>> Extensions WG (eppext) to consider the following document: >> - 'Key Relay Mapping for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol' >> as Proposed Standard >>=20 >> The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits >> final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the >> ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2015-12-04. Exceptionally, comments may b= e>> sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the >> beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. >>=20 >> Abstract >>=20 >>=20 >> This document describes an Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) >> mapping for a key relay object that relays DNSSEC key material >> between EPP clients using the poll queue defined in RFC5730. >>=20 >> This key relay mapping will help facilitate changing the DNS operator >> of a domain while keeping the DNSSEC chain of trust intact. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> The file can be obtained via >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay/ >>=20 >> IESG discussion can be tracked via >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay/ballot/ >>=20 >>=20 >> The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D: >>=20 >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2393/ >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> EppExt mailing list >> EppExt@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > EppExt mailing list > EppExt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eppext >=20 >=20 From nobody Wed Nov 25 07:11:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: eppext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA891B2DF5 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 07:11:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.862 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.862 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 92AqfVkitWUi for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 07:11:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.centralnic.com (mail-9.bfn.uk.centralnic.net [212.18.250.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D55671B2DE6 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 07:11:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from Gavins-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [2.123.78.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.centralnic.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CA208E1385; Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:11:41 +0000 (UTC) To: Rik Ribbers , "Gould, James" References: <20151113104509.14378.51007.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <5645C329.4030501@centralnic.com> <564B6CCA.1000704@centralnic.com> <863B3B96-AC96-4D54-9550-B075E548B08B@verisign.com> From: Gavin Brown X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Organization: CentralNic Message-ID: <5655CFAD.2080505@centralnic.com> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:11:41 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AMk7pQIetUfnIxvKC9L853BrJ2Rp2GmjI" Archived-At: Cc: "eppext@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [eppext] New Version Notification for draft-brown-epp-reverse-00.txt X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:11:49 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --AMk7pQIetUfnIxvKC9L853BrJ2Rp2GmjI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rik, > From a personal perspective I agree with Gavin: Yuck! However the > question is what the goal of this draft is: >=20 > - Document the existing implementation for registration in EPP IANA > registry? Then you can do whatever you like, get an expert review and > leave the document as you wish >=20 > - Ask for WG-adoption and go for Standards Track; Ai, you might end up > in the same situation as the keyrelay draft where there was a status qu= o > on how to continue with the XML structure. In the end there were four > people expressing their opinion on this matter and I decided to follow > that advice, beside my own personal preference. >=20 > Can you tell us what your plans are for this draft?=20 There are currently no existing implementations, and I am not especially interested in going for WG adoption. I wrote the extension to address a relatively common support request we get from clients (to reverse an erroneous renewal), and submitted it to the list for feedback. We will probably implement the extension in our server at some point once the specification has stabilised following feedback. > One other question: How does the server hello message look like with > respect to this extension?=20 The server would advertise the namespace of the extension in an element in the section. It would not appear in an element. G. --=20 Gavin Brown Chief Technology Officer CentralNic Group plc (LSE:CNIC) Innovative, Reliable and Flexible Registry Services for ccTLD, gTLD and private domain name registries https://www.centralnic.com/ CentralNic Group plc is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358. 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[192.168.4.164] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D76AF497-A2F1-4F02-B0D1-E541C3656902"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay@ietf.org" , "ietf@ietf.org" , Marc Groeneweg , eppext Subject: Re: [eppext] Genart LC review draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay-10 X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 11:51:54 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_D76AF497-A2F1-4F02-B0D1-E541C3656902 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello Robert, Thanks for the feedback, my comments are inline. Gr, Rik=20 > This is a small nit, but please consider changing the document to = address it. The motivation for this extension leans on improving the = security of transferring information between registrars. It should be = recast as providing better automation and reliability instead. > In = practice (and I think in specification), it hinges on passing a password = from the registrar of record to the gaining registrar through some = unspecified means (though typically through the registrant). That = password is required to be placed in the create by the >? > gaining = registrar as specified in this document in order for that create to = succeed at the registry. While it would be impractical and error-prone, = the same channel that was used to hand this password around _could_ be = used to pass the keying material this > extension addresses. My proposal is to change the last sentence of the introduction to = emphasise the automation and reliability. old text: In this document we define an EPP extension to support and automate this transaction. new text: In this document we define an EPP extension to support automation and a=20= reliable transfer of DNSSEC key material.=20 > Reading draft-koch-dnsop-operator-change (an informational reference > currently) helped greatly with understanding this document. That draft = expired in 2014. Please be sure it advances, and consider making it a = normative reference. > If it is not going to move forward, consider pulling some of the = transfer mechanic recommendations and the definitions of losing/gaining = entities into this draft, unless they've already made it into the RFC = series somewhere else? The draft is not going forward. The draft describes one possible = solution for changing the DNS operator of a domainname. There are = several more options to do this (even without the use of EPP). In that = sense it is informative. This document focusses on the EPP protocol = syntax. So I=E2=80=99m not in favour of making it a normative reference. > The security considerations document says a server SHOULD NOT perform = any transformation on data under server management when processing a = command. Can this point to more detailed discussion = somewhere? Why is this not a MUST >NOT? (What are the conditions where = violating the SHOULD NOT is the right thing to do? What are the risks a = server takes if it performs such a transformation?) The reason it is in the text is that key relay commands only use the = secure, authenticated channel for relaying a DNSSEC key. There is no = need for the server to do anything else then put the DNSSEC key material = on the poll queue of another client. One of the major problems (or one = advantage depending on how you see things) with EPP is that every = registry, especially the ccTLDs have their own policies, extensions and = local regulations. So making it a MUST NOT can prevent a server from = complying with this document in cases where local regulations are not = compliant. This also is against the E in EPP; extensible. > Micro-nit : In section 2.1 where you say "The element MUST = contain one of the following", consider saying "The element = MUST contain exactly one of the following=E2=80=9D. 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format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 17:12:35 -0800 Subject: [eppext] Genart LC review draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay-10 X-BeenThere: eppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: EPPEXT List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 21:45:49 -0000 I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call comments. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay-10 Reviewer: Robert Sparks Review Date: 25Nov2015 IETF LC End Date: 4Dec2015 IESG Telechat date: (not yet scheduled) Summary: Ready for publication as Proposed Standard with nits This is a small nit, but please consider changing the document to address it. The motivation for this extension leans on improving the security of transferring information between registrars. It should be recast as providing better automation and reliability instead. In practice (and I think in specification), it hinges on passing a password from the registrar of record to the gaining registrar through some unspecified means (though typically through the registrant). That password is required to be placed in the create by the gaining registrar as specified in this document in order for that create to succeed at the registry. While it would be impractical and error-prone, the same channel that was used to hand this password around _could_ be used to pass the keying material this extension addresses. Reading draft-koch-dnsop-operator-change (an informational reference currently) helped greatly with understanding this document. That draft expired in 2014. Please be sure it advances, and consider making it a normative reference. If it is not going to move forward, consider pulling some of the transfer mechanic recommendations and the definitions of losing/gaining entities into this draft, unless they've already made it into the RFC series somewhere else? The security considerations document says a server SHOULD NOT perform any transformation on data under server management when processing a command. Can this point to more detailed discussion somewhere? Why is this not a MUST NOT? (What are the conditions where violating the SHOULD NOT is the right thing to do? What are the risks a server takes if it performs such a transformation?) Micro-nit : In section 2.1 where you say "The element MUST contain one of the following", consider saying "The element MUST contain exactly one of the following". RjS