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From: Marc Groeneweg <Marc.Groeneweg@sidn.nl>
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Since there were no more comments, I have submitted the minutes with 3 =
minor adjustments:

-Corrected the spelling of my name ;-)

-I have added clarifying text on the status of the nv draft as some have =
missed the conclusion during the meeting:

"opposition and support for nv-mapping document. Will be taken to the =
list when discussing milestones"

-Clarified what the second hum was about:

"Hum, no objections to for defining groups of work items to determine =
milestones=94.

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Op 19 nov. 2015, om 15:11 heeft Ulrich Wisser <ulrich@wisser.se> het =
volgende geschreven:

> There has been some insecurity about the hums at the meeting. We did =
more than two, but we couldn't really decide what we did hum about after =
the fact. As I recall the meeting there were only two hums that did =
really count. The two hums that Antoin mentioned.
> These are reflected in the minutes.
> Could one of the chairs please upload the minutes. It seems only =
chairs can do that.
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span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Dear WG-chairs,</span><span lang=
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pan lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quo=
t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I am wondering whether the propos=
ed recharter is in active progress or not. To be honest, I am a bit disapp=
ointed that no rechartering for EPPEXT=0A is on the IESG agenda for Decemb=
er 3<sup>rd</sup></span><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"><span lang=
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97D">(</span><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/" style=
=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"color:purple" class=3D"">https://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/</sp=
an></a><span lang=3D"EN-US">).<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Time=
s New Roman', serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;=
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date when the recharter will be submitted to the agenda of the IESG.</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" styl=
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man', serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&=
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rder-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">=0A<p class=3D"Mso=
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Times New Roman', serif;"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><=
span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quo=
t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> EppExt [mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org]=0A<b>O=
n Behalf Of </b>Linlin Zhou<br>=0A<b>Sent:</b> dinsdag 24 november 2015 11=
:04<br>=0A<b>To:</b> Rik Ribbers; eppext@ietf.org<br>=0A<b>Subject:</b> Re=
: [eppext] Progress on rechartering?<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A</di=
v>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>=0A<div=
>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 1=
2pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5=
pt;font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:bl=
ack">+1<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" st=
yle=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Microsof=
t YaHei&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Waiting for the recharte=
r of REGEXT. Is there any further process?<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=
=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-=
size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;c=
olor:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Regards,<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm=
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pan style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">=0A<hr size=3D"1" width=3D"210" style=3D"w=
idth:157.5pt" noshade=3D"" align=3D"left">=0A</span></div>=0A<div>=0A<div =
style=3D"margin-left:7.5pt;margin-top:7.5pt;margin-right:7.5pt;margin-bott=
om:7.5pt">=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.000=
1pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:black">Linlin Zhou<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A</div>=0A</div=
>=0A<blockquote style=3D"margin-left: 6pt; margin-top: 0px;">=0A<div>=0A<p=
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ont-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div style=3D"border:none;border-to=
p:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">=0A<div>=0A<div>=0A<p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-color: rgb(239, 239, 239); margin: 0c=
m 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ba=
ckground-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><=
b><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans=
-serif&quot;;color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:rik.ribbers@sidn.nl" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration=
: underline;">Rik=0A Ribbers</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-color: rgb(239, 239, 239); marg=
in: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', ser=
if; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initi=
al;"><b><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Date:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:9=
.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&n=
bsp;2015-11-19&nbsp;21:51<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-color: rgb(239, 239, 239); margin: 0cm=
 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; bac=
kground-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><b=
><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;;color:black">To:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:eppext@ietf.org" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: under=
line;">eppext@ietf.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-color: rgb(239, 239, 239); margin: 0c=
m 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ba=
ckground-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><=
b><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans=
-serif&quot;;color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:9.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp=
;[eppext] Progress on rechartering?<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A</div=
>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0=
cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=
=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12=
pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:bla=
ck">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
 style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times N=
ew Roman', serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Micro=
soft YaHei&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Any update on the rec=
hartering? I was expecting the milestones as discussed on the WG session b=
y now on the mailinglist (Jim? Antoin?) for discussion.=0A It has already =
been 2 weeks since the Yokohama meeting. <o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=
=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-=
size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;c=
olor:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Let=E2=80=99s=
 not wait for the holiday season to start (or even the next WG session) to=
 make progress on the rechartering.=0A<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<d=
iv>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:=
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.5pt;font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:=
black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Time=
s New Roman', serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Mi=
crosoft YaHei&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Gr,<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm=
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style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,&quot;sa=
ns-serif&quot;;color:black">Rik&nbsp;=0A<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A=
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10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Microsoft YaHei&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;colo=
r:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Ti=
mes New Roman', serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;=
Microsoft YaHei&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">________________=
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Dear Working Group,

Apologies for this late starting of this discussion.
I had intended to start this discussion some weeks ago, but I was =
waiting for Jim to edit the draft charter text so we could be in =
agreement on the draft charter text and the milestones at the same time. =
Jim is very busy and didn=92t get around to that yet, so as sugested by =
Linlin, let=92s start the discussion on the proposed milestones and have =
that item concluded on.

Below you will find the list of proposed milestones.
I have reordered them based on our discussion in Yokohama.

What we would like to hear from the WG is if this list of milestones is =
accepted.
To order the discussion, comments can be made:
-Either on a specific document not to be in the milestones list so it =
will not become a WG item.
-Discussion on priority or grouping, but then there needs to be =
consensus on which documents to exchange in the priority because we =
cannot work on all documents at the same time.

To be clear:
-All of the documents on this list will become WG documents.
-As discussed in Yokohama, this WG focusses on Standards track =
documents, but at the WG request, we can review Informational documents, =
and the nv mapping draft in one such example where the authors have =
requested WG review.
-The order and priority can be changed in the future, but this is the =
initial order in which we think work can be done.
-There is room for new evolving documents to be added later.


MILESTONES

The proposal is to create a set of groups of our documents, order
those groups, and then create milestones for each group.

As a starting point for discussion there is a set of documents already
active and the rest have been distributed into 4 sets.


Here is the proposed set of milestones.  It is based on the model of 3
months per group.

Active Now

- WGLC completed by December 2015
- Submit for publication January 2016

Group 1

- WGLC completed by February 2016
- Submit for publication March 2016

Group 2

- WGLC completed by May 2016
- Submit for publication June 2016

Group 3

- WGLC completed by September 2016
- Submit for publication October 2016

Group 4

- WGLC completed by January 2017
- Submit for publication February 2017



Here is the proposed groupings of the documents.

Active now

draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay
draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd

draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase
draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-func-spec


Group 1

-epp-rdap mapping (draft-gould-epp-rdap-status-mapping)
-verification code (draft-gould-eppext-verificationcode)
-nv mapping (draft-xie-eppext-nv-mapping)(Remains as Informational, but =
reviewed by WG)


Group 2

-reseller (draft-zhou-eppext-reseller and =
draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping)
-allocation token (draft-gould-allocation-token)
-change poll (draft-gould-change-poll)


Group 3

-fees (draft-brown-epp-fees-05)
-bundling (draft-kong-eppext-bundling-registration)


Group 4

-IDN Table Mapping (draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap and draft-gould-idn-table
 and draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext)
-Relay (no draft yet, split from keyrelay)



Please send feedback to the list on these proposed milestones before =
December 25, so we can conclude our new charter and milestones before =
the end of this year.

Regards,

Jim and Antoin

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On 4 Dec 2015, at 6:09, Antoin Verschuren wrote:

> Dear Working Group,
>
> Apologies for this late starting of this discussion.
> I had intended to start this discussion some weeks ago, but I was 
> waiting for Jim to edit the draft charter text so we could be in 
> agreement on the draft charter text and the milestones at the same 
> time. Jim is very busy and didn’t get around to that yet, so as 
> sugested by Linlin, let’s start the discussion on the proposed 
> milestones and have that item concluded on.
>
> Below you will find the list of proposed milestones.
> I have reordered them based on our discussion in Yokohama.

I have said in Yokohama and continue to believe that this grouping is 
unnecessary. Just treat all these documents in an asynchronous mode. It 
makes everything simpler to manage, for both the chairs and the wg.

A priority is obviously needed, but not in a hard way. Just propose 
document priorities and let start with that. We may end up changing the 
priorities as we go, for various reasons, internal or external to the 
wg.

My 2 cents.

Marc.

>
> What we would like to hear from the WG is if this list of milestones 
> is accepted.
> To order the discussion, comments can be made:
> -Either on a specific document not to be in the milestones list so it 
> will not become a WG item.
> -Discussion on priority or grouping, but then there needs to be 
> consensus on which documents to exchange in the priority because we 
> cannot work on all documents at the same time.
>
> To be clear:
> -All of the documents on this list will become WG documents.
> -As discussed in Yokohama, this WG focusses on Standards track 
> documents, but at the WG request, we can review Informational 
> documents, and the nv mapping draft in one such example where the 
> authors have requested WG review.
> -The order and priority can be changed in the future, but this is the 
> initial order in which we think work can be done.
> -There is room for new evolving documents to be added later.
>
>
> MILESTONES
>
> The proposal is to create a set of groups of our documents, order
> those groups, and then create milestones for each group.
>
> As a starting point for discussion there is a set of documents already
> active and the rest have been distributed into 4 sets.
>
>
> Here is the proposed set of milestones.  It is based on the model of 3
> months per group.
>
> Active Now
>
> - WGLC completed by December 2015
> - Submit for publication January 2016
>
> Group 1
>
> - WGLC completed by February 2016
> - Submit for publication March 2016
>
> Group 2
>
> - WGLC completed by May 2016
> - Submit for publication June 2016
>
> Group 3
>
> - WGLC completed by September 2016
> - Submit for publication October 2016
>
> Group 4
>
> - WGLC completed by January 2017
> - Submit for publication February 2017
>
>
>
> Here is the proposed groupings of the documents.
>
> Active now
>
> draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay
> draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd
>
> draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase
> draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-func-spec
>
>
> Group 1
>
> -epp-rdap mapping (draft-gould-epp-rdap-status-mapping)
> -verification code (draft-gould-eppext-verificationcode)
> -nv mapping (draft-xie-eppext-nv-mapping)(Remains as Informational, 
> but reviewed by WG)
>
>
> Group 2
>
> -reseller (draft-zhou-eppext-reseller and 
> draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping)
> -allocation token (draft-gould-allocation-token)
> -change poll (draft-gould-change-poll)
>
>
> Group 3
>
> -fees (draft-brown-epp-fees-05)
> -bundling (draft-kong-eppext-bundling-registration)
>
>
> Group 4
>
> -IDN Table Mapping (draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap and draft-gould-idn-table
> and draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext)
> -Relay (no draft yet, split from keyrelay)
>
>
>
> Please send feedback to the list on these proposed milestones before 
> December 25, so we can conclude our new charter and milestones before 
> the end of this year.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jim and Antoin
>
> - --
> Antoin Verschuren
>
> Tweevoren 6, 5672 SB Nuenen, NL
> M: +31 6 37682392
>
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<div class=3D"markdown">
<p dir=3D"auto">On 4 Dec 2015, at 6:09, Antoin Verschuren wrote:</p>

<blockquote>
<p dir=3D"auto">Dear Working Group,</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Apologies for this late starting of this discussion.<br>
I had intended to start this discussion some weeks ago, but I was waiting=
 for Jim to edit the draft charter text so we could be in agreement on th=
e draft charter text and the milestones at the same time. Jim is very bus=
y and didn=E2=80=99t get around to that yet, so as sugested by Linlin, le=
t=E2=80=99s start the discussion on the proposed milestones and have that=
 item concluded on.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Below you will find the list of proposed milestones.<br>
I have reordered them based on our discussion in Yokohama.</p>
</blockquote>

<p dir=3D"auto">I have said in Yokohama and continue to believe that this=
 grouping is unnecessary. Just treat all these documents in an asynchrono=
us mode. It makes everything simpler to manage, for both the chairs and t=
he wg.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">A priority is obviously needed, but not in a hard way. Ju=
st propose document priorities and let start with that. We may end up cha=
nging the priorities as we go, for various reasons, internal or external =
to the wg.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">My 2 cents.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Marc.</p>

<blockquote>
<p dir=3D"auto">What we would like to hear from the WG is if this list of=
 milestones is accepted.<br>
To order the discussion, comments can be made:<br>
-Either on a specific document not to be in the milestones list so it wil=
l not become a WG item.<br>
-Discussion on priority or grouping, but then there needs to be consensus=
 on which documents to exchange in the priority because we cannot work on=
 all documents at the same time.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">To be clear:<br>
-All of the documents on this list will become WG documents.<br>
-As discussed in Yokohama, this WG focusses on Standards track documents,=
 but at the WG request, we can review Informational documents, and the nv=
 mapping draft in one such example where the authors have requested WG re=
view.<br>
-The order and priority can be changed in the future, but this is the ini=
tial order in which we think work can be done.<br>
-There is room for new evolving documents to be added later.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">MILESTONES</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">The proposal is to create a set of groups of our document=
s, order<br>
those groups, and then create milestones for each group.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">As a starting point for discussion there is a set of docu=
ments already<br>
active and the rest have been distributed into 4 sets.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Here is the proposed set of milestones.  It is based on t=
he model of 3<br>
months per group.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Active Now</p>

<ul>
<li>WGLC completed by December 2015</li>
<li>Submit for publication January 2016</li>
</ul>

<p dir=3D"auto">Group 1</p>

<ul>
<li>WGLC completed by February 2016</li>
<li>Submit for publication March 2016</li>
</ul>

<p dir=3D"auto">Group 2</p>

<ul>
<li>WGLC completed by May 2016</li>
<li>Submit for publication June 2016</li>
</ul>

<p dir=3D"auto">Group 3</p>

<ul>
<li>WGLC completed by September 2016</li>
<li>Submit for publication October 2016</li>
</ul>

<p dir=3D"auto">Group 4</p>

<ul>
<li>WGLC completed by January 2017</li>
<li>Submit for publication February 2017</li>
</ul>

<p dir=3D"auto">Here is the proposed groupings of the documents.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Active now</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay<br>
draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase<br>
draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-func-spec</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Group 1</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">-epp-rdap mapping (draft-gould-epp-rdap-status-mapping)<b=
r>
-verification code (draft-gould-eppext-verificationcode)<br>
-nv mapping (draft-xie-eppext-nv-mapping)(Remains as Informational, but r=
eviewed by WG)</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Group 2</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">-reseller (draft-zhou-eppext-reseller and draft-zhou-eppe=
xt-reseller-mapping)<br>
-allocation token (draft-gould-allocation-token)<br>
-change poll (draft-gould-change-poll)</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Group 3</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">-fees (draft-brown-epp-fees-05)<br>
-bundling (draft-kong-eppext-bundling-registration)</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Group 4</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">-IDN Table Mapping (draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap and draft-go=
uld-idn-table<br>
and draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext)<br>
-Relay (no draft yet, split from keyrelay)</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Please send feedback to the list on these proposed milest=
ones before December 25, so we can conclude our new charter and milestone=
s before the end of this year.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Regards,</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Jim and Antoin</p>

<hr>

<p dir=3D"auto">Antoin Verschuren</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Tweevoren 6, 5672 SB Nuenen, NL<br>
M: +31 6 37682392</p>

<hr>

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Sorry!

Antoin Verschuren <ietf@antoin.nl> schrieb am Do., 3. Dez. 2015 um
16:54 Uhr:

> Since there were no more comments, I have submitted the minutes with 3
> minor adjustments:
>
> -Corrected the spelling of my name ;-)
>
> -I have added clarifying text on the status of the nv draft as some have
> missed the conclusion during the meeting:
>
> "opposition and support for nv-mapping document. Will be taken to the lis=
t
> when discussing milestones"
>
> -Clarified what the second hum was about:
>
> "Hum, no objections to for defining groups of work items to determine
> milestones=E2=80=9D.
>
> Regards,
>
> - --
> Antoin Verschuren
>
> Tweevoren 6, 5672 SB Nuenen, NL
> M: +31 6 37682392
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Op 19 nov. 2015, om 15:11 heeft Ulrich Wisser <ulrich@wisser.se> het
> volgende geschreven:
>
> > There has been some insecurity about the hums at the meeting. We did
> more than two, but we couldn't really decide what we did hum about after
> the fact. As I recall the meeting there were only two hums that did reall=
y
> count. The two hums that Antoin mentioned.
> > These are reflected in the minutes.
> > Could one of the chairs please upload the minutes. It seems only chairs
> can do that.
> >
> > /Ulrich
> >
> > --
> > Ulrich Wisser
> > ulrich@wisser.se
> > _______________________________________________
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Sorry!=C2=A0</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Antoin Verschuren &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ietf@antoin.nl">ietf@antoi=
n.nl</a>&gt; schrieb am Do., 3. Dez. 2015 um 16:54=C2=A0Uhr:<br></div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left:1ex">Since there were no more comments, I have submitt=
ed the minutes with 3 minor adjustments:<br>
<br>
-Corrected the spelling of my name ;-)<br>
<br>
-I have added clarifying text on the status of the nv draft as some have mi=
ssed the conclusion during the meeting:<br>
<br>
&quot;opposition and support for nv-mapping document. Will be taken to the =
list when discussing milestones&quot;<br>
<br>
-Clarified what the second hum was about:<br>
<br>
&quot;Hum, no objections to for defining groups of work items to determine =
milestones=E2=80=9D.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
- --<br>
Antoin Verschuren<br>
<br>
Tweevoren 6, 5672 SB Nuenen, NL<br>
M: +31 6 37682392<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Op 19 nov. 2015, om 15:11 heeft Ulrich Wisser &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ulrich@=
wisser.se" target=3D"_blank">ulrich@wisser.se</a>&gt; het volgende geschrev=
en:<br>
<br>
&gt; There has been some insecurity about the hums at the meeting. We did m=
ore than two, but we couldn&#39;t really decide what we did hum about after=
 the fact. As I recall the meeting there were only two hums that did really=
 count. The two hums that Antoin mentioned.<br>
&gt; These are reflected in the minutes.<br>
&gt; Could one of the chairs please upload the minutes. It seems only chair=
s can do that.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; /Ulrich<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Ulrich Wisser<br>
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</blockquote></div><div dir=3D"ltr">-- <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ulrich Wi=
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All,=20

General feedback: I don=92t have a very strong opinion about priorities =
and order. If a document is ready for submission let=92s just submit it =
and move on.=20

> Group 1
>=20
> -epp-rdap mapping (draft-gould-epp-rdap-status-mapping)
> -verification code (draft-gould-eppext-verificationcode)
> -nv mapping (draft-xie-eppext-nv-mapping)(Remains as Informational, =
but reviewed by WG)
>=20

I  have a question about the verification drafts. During the Yokohama =
meeting someone (James Gould?) stated that the verification drafts =
should have the highest priority over others and somehow they ended up =
in group 1. What I missed is the reasoning why. There are other drafts =
that are longer part of this working group and deserve higher priority =
in my opinion (like resellers and change poll en the fees drafts). Can =
somebody explain the reasoning why these are (so) important.

> -Relay (no draft yet, split from keyrelay)


There is no document so there is no need to add it to the milestones. =
The charter is explicit enough to add any document if the WG thinks it =
is of value. Personally I don=92t see this document happening very soon.

Furthermore
Will there be an individual call-for-adoption per document or if the =
document is on the charter it is adopted?=20
In the last case. How are we going to make sure the documents get enough =
review before submission?
In the first case. Can we explicitly ask for reviewers and people =
willing to work on the document during the adoption?

Gr,
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Adding one more point to my opinion on milestones and grouping: Instead 
of spending time on groups of milestones vs non-groups of milestones, 
maybe we should work on the technical stuff and get the documents out. 
By the time we have spent and wait since months now for the new charter, 
we could have processed many documents already. Therefore, the issue 
here is not grouping or not, it is to make progress on the documents and 
move them forward to the IESG. So first priority is to get this new 
charter out ASAP and then move the documents.

My 2 cents.

Marc.

On 4 Dec 2015, at 6:50, Marc Blanchet wrote:

> On 4 Dec 2015, at 6:09, Antoin Verschuren wrote:
>
>> Dear Working Group,
>>
>> Apologies for this late starting of this discussion.
>> I had intended to start this discussion some weeks ago, but I was 
>> waiting for Jim to edit the draft charter text so we could be in 
>> agreement on the draft charter text and the milestones at the same 
>> time. Jim is very busy and didn’t get around to that yet, so as 
>> sugested by Linlin, let’s start the discussion on the proposed 
>> milestones and have that item concluded on.
>>
>> Below you will find the list of proposed milestones.
>> I have reordered them based on our discussion in Yokohama.
>
> I have said in Yokohama and continue to believe that this grouping is 
> unnecessary. Just treat all these documents in an asynchronous mode. 
> It makes everything simpler to manage, for both the chairs and the wg.
>
> A priority is obviously needed, but not in a hard way. Just propose 
> document priorities and let start with that. We may end up changing 
> the priorities as we go, for various reasons, internal or external to 
> the wg.
>
> My 2 cents.
>
> Marc.
>
>>
>> What we would like to hear from the WG is if this list of milestones 
>> is accepted.
>> To order the discussion, comments can be made:
>> -Either on a specific document not to be in the milestones list so it 
>> will not become a WG item.
>> -Discussion on priority or grouping, but then there needs to be 
>> consensus on which documents to exchange in the priority because we 
>> cannot work on all documents at the same time.
>>
>> To be clear:
>> -All of the documents on this list will become WG documents.
>> -As discussed in Yokohama, this WG focusses on Standards track 
>> documents, but at the WG request, we can review Informational 
>> documents, and the nv mapping draft in one such example where the 
>> authors have requested WG review.
>> -The order and priority can be changed in the future, but this is the 
>> initial order in which we think work can be done.
>> -There is room for new evolving documents to be added later.
>>
>>
>> MILESTONES
>>
>> The proposal is to create a set of groups of our documents, order
>> those groups, and then create milestones for each group.
>>
>> As a starting point for discussion there is a set of documents 
>> already
>> active and the rest have been distributed into 4 sets.
>>
>>
>> Here is the proposed set of milestones.  It is based on the model of 
>> 3
>> months per group.
>>
>> Active Now
>>
>> - WGLC completed by December 2015
>> - Submit for publication January 2016
>>
>> Group 1
>>
>> - WGLC completed by February 2016
>> - Submit for publication March 2016
>>
>> Group 2
>>
>> - WGLC completed by May 2016
>> - Submit for publication June 2016
>>
>> Group 3
>>
>> - WGLC completed by September 2016
>> - Submit for publication October 2016
>>
>> Group 4
>>
>> - WGLC completed by January 2017
>> - Submit for publication February 2017
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is the proposed groupings of the documents.
>>
>> Active now
>>
>> draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay
>> draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd
>>
>> draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase
>> draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-func-spec
>>
>>
>> Group 1
>>
>> -epp-rdap mapping (draft-gould-epp-rdap-status-mapping)
>> -verification code (draft-gould-eppext-verificationcode)
>> -nv mapping (draft-xie-eppext-nv-mapping)(Remains as Informational, 
>> but reviewed by WG)
>>
>>
>> Group 2
>>
>> -reseller (draft-zhou-eppext-reseller and 
>> draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping)
>> -allocation token (draft-gould-allocation-token)
>> -change poll (draft-gould-change-poll)
>>
>>
>> Group 3
>>
>> -fees (draft-brown-epp-fees-05)
>> -bundling (draft-kong-eppext-bundling-registration)
>>
>>
>> Group 4
>>
>> -IDN Table Mapping (draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap and 
>> draft-gould-idn-table
>> and draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext)
>> -Relay (no draft yet, split from keyrelay)
>>
>>
>>
>> Please send feedback to the list on these proposed milestones before 
>> December 25, so we can conclude our new charter and milestones before 
>> the end of this year.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jim and Antoin
>>
>> - --
>> Antoin Verschuren
>>
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>> M: +31 6 37682392
>>
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<div class=3D"markdown">
<p dir=3D"auto">Adding one more point to my opinion on milestones and gro=
uping: Instead of spending time on groups of milestones vs non-groups of =
milestones, maybe we should work on the technical stuff and get the docum=
ents out. By the time we have spent and wait since months now for the new=
 charter, we could have processed many documents already. Therefore, the =
issue here is not grouping or not, it is to make progress on the document=
s and move them forward to the IESG. So first priority is to get this new=
 charter out ASAP and then move the documents.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">My 2 cents.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Marc.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">On 4 Dec 2015, at 6:50, Marc Blanchet wrote:</p>

<blockquote>
<p dir=3D"auto">On 4 Dec 2015, at 6:09, Antoin Verschuren wrote:</p>

<blockquote>
<p dir=3D"auto">Dear Working Group,</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Apologies for this late starting of this discussion.<br>
I had intended to start this discussion some weeks ago, but I was waiting=
 for Jim to edit the draft charter text so we could be in agreement on th=
e draft charter text and the milestones at the same time. Jim is very bus=
y and didn=E2=80=99t get around to that yet, so as sugested by Linlin, le=
t=E2=80=99s start the discussion on the proposed milestones and have that=
 item concluded on.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Below you will find the list of proposed milestones.<br>
I have reordered them based on our discussion in Yokohama.</p>
</blockquote>

<p dir=3D"auto">I have said in Yokohama and continue to believe that this=
 grouping is unnecessary. Just treat all these documents in an asynchrono=
us mode. It makes everything simpler to manage, for both the chairs and t=
he wg.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">A priority is obviously needed, but not in a hard way. Ju=
st propose document priorities and let start with that. We may end up cha=
nging the priorities as we go, for various reasons, internal or external =
to the wg.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">My 2 cents.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Marc.</p>

<blockquote>
<p dir=3D"auto">What we would like to hear from the WG is if this list of=
 milestones is accepted.<br>
To order the discussion, comments can be made:<br>
-Either on a specific document not to be in the milestones list so it wil=
l not become a WG item.<br>
-Discussion on priority or grouping, but then there needs to be consensus=
 on which documents to exchange in the priority because we cannot work on=
 all documents at the same time.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">To be clear:<br>
-All of the documents on this list will become WG documents.<br>
-As discussed in Yokohama, this WG focusses on Standards track documents,=
 but at the WG request, we can review Informational documents, and the nv=
 mapping draft in one such example where the authors have requested WG re=
view.<br>
-The order and priority can be changed in the future, but this is the ini=
tial order in which we think work can be done.<br>
-There is room for new evolving documents to be added later.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">MILESTONES</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">The proposal is to create a set of groups of our document=
s, order<br>
those groups, and then create milestones for each group.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">As a starting point for discussion there is a set of docu=
ments already<br>
active and the rest have been distributed into 4 sets.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Here is the proposed set of milestones.  It is based on t=
he model of 3<br>
months per group.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Active Now</p>

<ul>
<li>WGLC completed by December 2015</li>
<li>Submit for publication January 2016</li>
</ul>

<p dir=3D"auto">Group 1</p>

<ul>
<li>WGLC completed by February 2016</li>
<li>Submit for publication March 2016</li>
</ul>

<p dir=3D"auto">Group 2</p>

<ul>
<li>WGLC completed by May 2016</li>
<li>Submit for publication June 2016</li>
</ul>

<p dir=3D"auto">Group 3</p>

<ul>
<li>WGLC completed by September 2016</li>
<li>Submit for publication October 2016</li>
</ul>

<p dir=3D"auto">Group 4</p>

<ul>
<li>WGLC completed by January 2017</li>
<li>Submit for publication February 2017</li>
</ul>

<p dir=3D"auto">Here is the proposed groupings of the documents.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Active now</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay<br>
draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase<br>
draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-func-spec</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Group 1</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">-epp-rdap mapping (draft-gould-epp-rdap-status-mapping)<b=
r>
-verification code (draft-gould-eppext-verificationcode)<br>
-nv mapping (draft-xie-eppext-nv-mapping)(Remains as Informational, but r=
eviewed by WG)</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Group 2</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">-reseller (draft-zhou-eppext-reseller and draft-zhou-eppe=
xt-reseller-mapping)<br>
-allocation token (draft-gould-allocation-token)<br>
-change poll (draft-gould-change-poll)</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Group 3</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">-fees (draft-brown-epp-fees-05)<br>
-bundling (draft-kong-eppext-bundling-registration)</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Group 4</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">-IDN Table Mapping (draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap and draft-go=
uld-idn-table<br>
and draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext)<br>
-Relay (no draft yet, split from keyrelay)</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Please send feedback to the list on these proposed milest=
ones before December 25, so we can conclude our new charter and milestone=
s before the end of this year.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Regards,</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Jim and Antoin</p>

<hr>

<p dir=3D"auto">Antoin Verschuren</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Tweevoren 6, 5672 SB Nuenen, NL<br>
M: +31 6 37682392</p>

<hr>

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Rik,

My clarification is provided below.


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On Dec 4, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Rik Ribbers <rik.ribbers@sidn.nl<mailto:rik.rib=
bers@sidn.nl>> wrote:

All,

General feedback: I don=92t have a very strong opinion about priorities and=
 order. If a document is ready for submission let=92s just submit it and mo=
ve on.

Group 1

-epp-rdap mapping (draft-gould-epp-rdap-status-mapping)
-verification code (draft-gould-eppext-verificationcode)
-nv mapping (draft-xie-eppext-nv-mapping)(Remains as Informational, but rev=
iewed by WG)


I  have a question about the verification drafts. During the Yokohama meeti=
ng someone (James Gould?) stated that the verification drafts should have t=
he highest priority over others and somehow they ended up in group 1. What =
I missed is the reasoning why. There are other drafts that are longer part =
of this working group and deserve higher priority in my opinion (like resel=
lers and change poll en the fees drafts). Can somebody explain the reasonin=
g why these are (so) important.


I stated that of the drafts on the list I viewed the verification drafts as=
 my highest priority, but I=92ll leave it up to the WG to decide the priori=
ty order.  The reason for this is not based on the age of the drafts, but b=
ased on a growing need for the registry community to be capable of applying=
 locality based verification policies.  draft-gould-eppext-verificationcode=
 defines the general framework that is applicable across any locality and d=
raft-xie-eppext-nv-mapping provides a concrete interface for the Chinese ve=
rification policy that follows draft-gould-eppext-verificationcode.  This i=
s an important topic ripe for the WG to take up.

-Relay (no draft yet, split from keyrelay)


There is no document so there is no need to add it to the milestones. The c=
harter is explicit enough to add any document if the WG thinks it is of val=
ue. Personally I don=92t see this document happening very soon.

Furthermore
Will there be an individual call-for-adoption per document or if the docume=
nt is on the charter it is adopted?
In the last case. How are we going to make sure the documents get enough re=
view before submission?
In the first case. Can we explicitly ask for reviewers and people willing t=
o work on the document during the adoption?

Gr,
Rik





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<br class=3D"">
General feedback: I don=92t have a very strong opinion about priorities and=
 order. If a document is ready for submission let=92s just submit it and mo=
ve on.
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">Group 1<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
-epp-rdap mapping (draft-gould-epp-rdap-status-mapping)<br class=3D"">
-verification code (draft-gould-eppext-verificationcode)<br class=3D"">
-nv mapping (draft-xie-eppext-nv-mapping)(Remains as Informational, but rev=
iewed by WG)<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
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<br class=3D"">
I &nbsp;have a question about the verification drafts. During the Yokohama =
meeting someone (James Gould?) stated that the verification drafts should h=
ave the highest priority over others and somehow they ended up in group 1. =
What I missed is the reasoning why. There
 are other drafts that are longer part of this working group and deserve hi=
gher priority in my opinion (like resellers and change poll en the fees dra=
fts). Can somebody explain the reasoning why these are (so) important.<br c=
lass=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
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<div>I stated that of the drafts on the list I viewed the verification draf=
ts as my highest priority, but I=92ll leave it up to the WG to decide the p=
riority order. &nbsp;The reason for this is not based on the age of the dra=
fts, but based on a growing need for the
 registry community to be capable of applying locality based verification p=
olicies. &nbsp;draft-gould-eppext-verificationcode defines the general fram=
ework that is applicable across any locality and&nbsp;draft-xie-eppext-nv-m=
apping provides a concrete interface for the
 Chinese verification policy that follows draft-gould-eppext-verificationco=
de. &nbsp;This is an important topic ripe for the WG to take up. &nbsp;</di=
v>
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There is no document so there is no need to add it to the milestones. The c=
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"">
<br class=3D"">
Furthermore<br class=3D"">
Will there be an individual call-for-adoption per document or if the docume=
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<br class=3D"">
In the last case. How are we going to make sure the documents get enough re=
view before submission?<br class=3D"">
In the first case. Can we explicitly ask for reviewers and people willing t=
o work on the document during the adoption?<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
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Op 4 dec. 2015, om 13:22 heeft Rik Ribbers <rik.ribbers@sidn.nl> het =
volgende geschreven:

> All,
>=20
> General feedback: I don=92t have a very strong opinion about =
priorities and order. If a document is ready for submission let=92s just =
submit it and move on.

Hi all,

Some clarification on grouping of the milestones again then.
We need milestones in our charter. We cannot be a working group if we =
just say we will do some work but we don=92t know what and when we will =
be finished.
We need deadlines on our documents so we can see if progress is as we =
want.
The chairs will use these deadlines to give guidance to the working =
group on priorities and things to work on.
We realize that we cannot work on 10 documents at the same time and =
demand they will all be done in Februari.
We simply don=92t have the resources for that.

That does not mean we cannot work on documents in group 3 before the =
deadline.
If we=92re done earlier with documents in group 3 because there happens =
to be momentum for one of the drafts that=92s fine too.
But we cannot demand all the documents to be worked on at the same time.
That=92s why we need to set reasonable deadlines on the milestones in =
our charter.

The only question we have now is if this is the set of documents we =
agree to work on, and if the milestones dates give a reasonable priority =
on what we want to work on first.

>> Group 1
>>=20
>> -epp-rdap mapping (draft-gould-epp-rdap-status-mapping)
>> -verification code (draft-gould-eppext-verificationcode)
>> -nv mapping (draft-xie-eppext-nv-mapping)(Remains as Informational, =
but reviewed by WG)
>>=20
>=20
> I  have a question about the verification drafts. During the Yokohama =
meeting someone (James Gould?) stated that the verification drafts =
should have the highest priority over others and somehow they ended up =
in group 1. What I missed is the reasoning why. There are other drafts =
that are longer part of this working group and deserve higher priority =
in my opinion (like resellers and change poll en the fees drafts). Can =
somebody explain the reasoning why these are (so) important.

[hat on]
The list of priorities only reflects what the working group suggested at =
the Yokohama meeting.
There was no objection during the meeting, but we said we would take the =
discussion to the list.
[/hat on]

[hat off]
I originally had the reseller draft in group 1 and the rdap mapping in =
group 2.
My reasoning being that the reseller draft is indeed more mature and has =
had more review, and more importantly, the rdap mapping seems to have =
been pushed in based on timelines set by ICANN more than by maturity or =
demand of the document in the IETF. I wonder if this will improve the =
quality of the document. We still have the =
tmch/launchphase/tmch-func-spec documents as leftovers to work on from =
our current charter, and looking at the IESG and IANA feedback on the =
tmch document, there is still quite some work to be done there which is =
also heavily reliant on ICANN staff. Perhaps the authors of these drafts =
can explain if there=92s going to be extra resources from ICANN =
allocated to these drafts to have them all done within a month. But in =
my opinion it is more reasonable to work on the documents in an order =
that will allow for better review to improve the quality of the =
documents.
[/hat off]


>> -Relay (no draft yet, split from keyrelay)
>=20
>=20
> There is no document so there is no need to add it to the milestones. =
The charter is explicit enough to add any document if the WG thinks it =
is of value. Personally I don=92t see this document happening very soon.

Note taken.

> Furthermore
> Will there be an individual call-for-adoption per document or if the =
document is on the charter it is adopted?

All the documents in the milestones will be adopted by the WG. So this =
is a call for adoption of all 10 documents.
Unless you state now that you don=92t want to adopt document x in this =
list.

> In the last case. How are we going to make sure the documents get =
enough review before submission?

Most of the documents have already been discussed on the list.
For additional documents to be added to the milestones we will always =
ask for reviewers before we adopt a document as WG item.

> In the first case. Can we explicitly ask for reviewers and people =
willing to work on the document during the adoption?

A document can still fail after we decided to work on it.
Once we reach the deadline, we will ask the working group to review and =
comment, or remove the item from our milestones if it has failed.
We will always ask for explicit review before a document is last called, =
and we will ask for explicit comments if the chairs feel the document =
does not have enough support.

So let me ask differently: Which documents on the list do you want to =
work on or review?

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2015 16:29:19 +0000
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Hi all,

I have to agree with Roger. The vast majority of check commands that we
send are triggered by a customer searching on our website. To create the
search results we need both the availability and the fee information in
order to calculate the pricing. We can currently get that with one check
command, but if it is split up our command volume will almost double.

Thanks,
-Pat

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 9:20 AM Roger D Carney <rcarney@godaddy.com> wrote:

> Good Morning,
>
>
>
> Interesting idea Jim. Though not completely disagreeing with your premise
> that the check and fee have different purposes, let me play devil=E2=80=
=99s
> advocate here with some knowledge on the separate claims check in mind as
> well. Different individual purposes maybe but when looking at the varied
> data flow scenarios (how is this data used and presented to the end
> customer), I believe most clients would see the purposes aligned well.
>
>
>
> I have heard from many people with the same question about claims: =E2=80=
=9CWhy do
> we have to make two calls to see if a domain has a claim associated to it=
,
> can=E2=80=99t they just tell us in the check?=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> I am guessing the same question will come up if it is a separate call for
> fee information as well. People may make the argument that the additional
> claims check is only needed for a specific period of time (except for tho=
se
> doing indefinite claims). I think everyone would agree this same argument
> does not apply for fees and as we see more and more varied wholesale mode=
ls
> I think an integrated call is more natural and becomes more necessary.
>
>
>
> Again, as these concepts align well from a flow perspective and as the
> probability of expanding wholesaling models increases, I believe most
> clients would prefer (demand) one call over multiple calls.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Roger
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* EppExt [mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Gould,
> James
> *Sent:* Friday, December 04, 2015 7:37 AM
> *To:* Gavin Brown
> *Cc:* eppext@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [eppext] New Version Notification for
> draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt
>
>
>
> Gavin,
>
>
>
> In reviewing draft-brown-epp-fees-06, I have the following feedback:
>
>
>
>    1. The fee check extension is really not a good fit for extension of
>    the available check.  They have different purposes and there is really=
 no
>    relationship between the two, where the availability check can include=
 a
>    completely different set of domain names from getting the fee extensio=
n.
>    My recommendation is to separate the two and define the fee check as a=
 new
>    verb similar to the claims check in draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase.  An=
other
>    option is truly extend the object identifiers (e.g. domain:names) in t=
he
>    check command with a set of fee attributes to get the fee information =
for.
>    Have the extension only specify the command and the optional currency =
and
>    fee that applies to all of the names in the availability check command=
.
>    The response would include the same list of object identifiers in the
>    extension, but it would be a one-to-one relationship.  In this way the=
re is
>    no need for the =E2=80=9CobjURI=E2=80=9D attribute, the <fee:objID> el=
ement, and
>    <fee:objID> =E2=80=9Celement=E2=80=9D attribute in the check command, =
since the object and
>    identifying element is already defined by the availability check objec=
t
>    that is being extended.
>    2. What should be returned when the client passes invalid data in the
>    check command for the the =E2=80=9CobjURI=E2=80=9D attribute (e.g. =E2=
=80=9Curn:made:up:uri=E2=80=9D), the
>    <fee:objID> element (e.g. invalid domain name), the =E2=80=9Celement=
=E2=80=9D attribute of
>    <fee:objID> (e.g. =E2=80=9Cmadeup=E2=80=9D), the <fee:currency> elemen=
t (e.g. =E2=80=9CMUP=E2=80=9D), and
>    the <fee:period> element (e.g. =E2=80=9C99" when max is =E2=80=9C10=E2=
=80=9D)?  An invalid
>    <fee:command> is covered by not returning the fee information, but it=
=E2=80=99s
>    unclear whether the server should return an error or not return the fe=
e
>    information for other invalid data.  To follow the semantics of a chec=
k
>    command and response, my recommendation is to add an =E2=80=9Cavail=E2=
=80=9D attribute to
>    either <fee:cd> or <fee:objID> to explicitly indicate that the fee
>    information is available along with an optional <fee:reason> to indica=
te
>    the reason that the fee information is not available.  The reason the =
fee
>    information is not available for a particular object could be due to t=
he
>    passing of invalid input in the check command <fee:object> element.  I=
f you
>    went with a single set of fee elements in the check command that is ap=
plied
>    to all of the object identifiers in the availability check, then an in=
valid
>    fee element could result in a failure of the check command itself inst=
ead
>    of being an error (e.g. not available) on a per domain basis.
>    3. Since the check response supports returning a =E2=80=9C0.00=E2=80=
=9D value to
>    indicate no fee, doesn=E2=80=99t make sense to do the same with all tr=
ansform
>    command responses?
>
>
>
>
>
> =E2=80=94
>
>
>
> JG
>
>
>
>
>
> *James Gould *Distinguished Engineer
> jgould@Verisign.com
>
> 703-948-3271
> 12061 Bluemont Way
> Reston, VA 20190
>
> VerisignInc.com
>
>
>
> On Nov 4, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Gavin Brown <gavin.brown@centralnic.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Changes from 05 to 06:
>
>   1.  The specification is now object-agnostic, but works with RFC5731
>       [RFC5731] domains by default.
>
>   2.  Renamed the <fee:domain> element to <fee:object>.  Added the
>       "objURI" attribute.
>
>   3.  Removed the default value for the "refundable" attribute of
>       <fee:fee> elements, and added text about how clients should
>       handle such cases.  Added similar text to the documentation of
>       the "grace-period" attribute.
>
>   4.  Removed references to the defunct <info> command syntax.
>
>   5.  "MUST" requirements regarding documentation have been changed to
>       "must".
>
>   6.  Created separate "Correlation between Refundability and Grace
>       Periods" section describing how the "refundable" and "grace-
>       period" attributes work together.
>
> Feedback welcome as always!
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt
> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 14:52:30 -0800
> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org
> To: Gavin Brown <gavin.brown@centralnic.com>, Jothan Frakes
> <jothan@jothan.com>
>
>
> A new version of I-D, draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt
> has been successfully submitted by Gavin Brown and posted to the
> IETF repository.
>
> Name: draft-brown-epp-fees
> Revision: 06
> Title: Registry Fee Extension for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol
> (EPP)
> Document date: 2015-11-04
> Group: Individual Submission
> Pages: 36
> URL:
> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt
> Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brown-epp-fees/
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>
> Abstract:
>   This document describes an Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP)
>   extension mapping for registry fees.
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>I have to agree with Roger. The=
 vast majority of check commands that we send are triggered by a customer s=
earching on our website. To create the search results we need both the avai=
lability and the fee information in order to calculate the pricing. We can =
currently get that with one check command, but if it is split up our comman=
d volume will almost double.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>-Pa=
t</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Dec 4,=
 2015 at 9:20 AM Roger D Carney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rcarney@godaddy.com">=
rcarney@godaddy.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">







<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Good Morning,<u></u><u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Interesting idea Jim. =
Though not completely disagreeing with your premise that the check and fee =
have different purposes, let me play devil=E2=80=99s advocate
 here with some knowledge on the separate claims check in mind as well. Dif=
ferent individual purposes maybe but when looking at the varied data flow s=
cenarios (how is this data used and presented to the end customer), I belie=
ve most clients would see the purposes
 aligned well.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">I have heard from many=
 people with the same question about claims: =E2=80=9CWhy do we have to mak=
e two calls to see if a domain has a claim associated
 to it, can=E2=80=99t they just tell us in the check?=E2=80=9D<u></u><u></u=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">I am guessing the same=
 question will come up if it is a separate call for fee information as well=
. People may make the argument that the additional
 claims check is only needed for a specific period of time (except for thos=
e doing indefinite claims). I think everyone would agree this same argument=
 does not apply for fees and as we see more and more varied wholesale model=
s I think an integrated call is
 more natural and becomes more necessary.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Again, as these concep=
ts align well from a flow perspective and as the probability of expanding w=
holesaling models increases, I believe most clients
 would prefer (demand) one call over multiple calls.<u></u><u></u></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Thanks<u></u><u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Roger<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
 EppExt [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank=
">eppext-bounces@ietf.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gould, James<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 04, 2015 7:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gavin Brown<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:eppext@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">eppext@ietf=
.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [eppext] New Version Notification for draft-brown-epp-f=
ees-06.txt<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div></div></div><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Gavin,
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>In reviewing draft-brown-epp-fees-06, I have t=
he following feedback:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<ol start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">
<span>The fee check extension is really not a good fit for extension of the=
 available check.=C2=A0 They have different purposes and there is really no=
 relationship between the two, where the availability check can
 include a completely different set of domain names from getting the fee ex=
tension.=C2=A0 My recommendation is to separate the two and define the fee =
check as a new verb similar to the claims check in draft-ietf-eppext-launch=
phase.=C2=A0 Another option is truly extend
 the object identifiers (e.g. domain:names) in the check command with a set=
 of fee attributes to get the fee information for.=C2=A0 Have the extension=
 only specify the command and the optional currency and fee that applies to=
 all of the names in the availability
 check command.=C2=A0 The response would include the same list of object id=
entifiers in the extension, but it would be a one-to-one relationship.=C2=
=A0 In this way there is no need for the =E2=80=9CobjURI=E2=80=9D attribute=
, the &lt;fee:objID&gt; element, and &lt;fee:objID&gt; =E2=80=9Celement=E2=
=80=9D attribute
 in the check command, since the object and identifying element is already =
defined by the availability check object that is being extended. =C2=A0=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
<span>What should be returned when the client passes invalid data in the ch=
eck command for the the =E2=80=9CobjURI=E2=80=9D attribute (e.g. =E2=80=9Cu=
rn:made:up:uri=E2=80=9D), the &lt;fee:objID&gt; element (e.g. invalid domai=
n name), the =E2=80=9Celement=E2=80=9D
 attribute of &lt;fee:objID&gt; (e.g. =E2=80=9Cmadeup=E2=80=9D), the &lt;fe=
e:currency&gt; element (e.g. =E2=80=9CMUP=E2=80=9D), and the &lt;fee:period=
&gt; element (e.g. =E2=80=9C99&quot; when max is =E2=80=9C10=E2=80=9D)?=C2=
=A0 An invalid &lt;fee:command&gt; is covered by not returning the fee info=
rmation, but it=E2=80=99s unclear whether the server should
 return an error or not return the fee information for other invalid data.=
=C2=A0 To follow the semantics of a check command and response, my recommen=
dation is to add an =E2=80=9Cavail=E2=80=9D attribute to either &lt;fee:cd&=
gt; or &lt;fee:objID&gt; to explicitly indicate that the fee information
 is available along with an optional &lt;fee:reason&gt; to indicate the rea=
son that the fee information is not available.=C2=A0 The reason the fee inf=
ormation is not available for a particular object could be due to the passi=
ng of invalid input in the check command &lt;fee:object&gt;
 element.=C2=A0 If you went with a single set of fee elements in the check =
command that is applied to all of the object identifiers in the availabilit=
y check, then an invalid fee element could result in a failure of the check=
 command itself instead of being an error
 (e.g. not available) on a per domain basis. =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u><=
/u></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
<span>Since the check response supports returning a =E2=80=9C0.00=E2=80=9D =
value to indicate no fee, doesn=E2=80=99t make sense to do the same with al=
l transform command responses? =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></li=
></ol>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">=E2=80=94</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;=
color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"word-spacing:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><=
u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;word-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;;color:black">JG</span><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>
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dana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><br>
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</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><br>
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:black"><br>
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,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#006aaa">James Gould<br>
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#6b6d71">Distinguished Engineer<br>
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m</a><br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>On Nov 4, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Gavin Brown &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:gavin.brown@centralnic.com" target=3D"_blank">gavin.brown@c=
entralnic.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Changes from 05 to 06:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A01.=C2=A0 The specification is now object-agnostic, but works wi=
th RFC5731<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0[RFC5731] domains by default.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A02.=C2=A0 Renamed the &lt;fee:domain&gt; element to &lt;fee:obje=
ct&gt;.=C2=A0 Added the<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0&quot;objURI&quot; attribute.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A03.=C2=A0 Removed the default value for the &quot;refundable&quo=
t; attribute of<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0&lt;fee:fee&gt; elements, and added tex=
t about how clients should<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0handle such cases.=C2=A0 Added similar =
text to the documentation of<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0the &quot;grace-period&quot; attribute.=
<br>
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A04.=C2=A0 Removed references to the defunct &lt;info&gt; command=
 syntax.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A05. =C2=A0&quot;MUST&quot; requirements regarding documentation =
have been changed to<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0&quot;must&quot;.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A06.=C2=A0 Created separate &quot;Correlation between Refundabili=
ty and Grace<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Periods&quot; section describing how th=
e &quot;refundable&quot; and &quot;grace-<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0period&quot; attributes work together.<=
br>
<br>
Feedback welcome as always!<br>
<br>
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Subject: New Version Notification for draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt<br>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 14:52:30 -0800<br>
From: <a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">interne=
t-drafts@ietf.org</a><br>
To: Gavin Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gavin.brown@centralnic.com" target=3D=
"_blank">gavin.brown@centralnic.com</a>&gt;, Jothan Frakes<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jothan@jothan.com" target=3D"_blank">jothan@jothan.co=
m</a>&gt;<br>
<br>
<br>
A new version of I-D, draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt<br>
has been successfully submitted by Gavin Brown and posted to the<br>
IETF repository.<br>
<br>
Name:<span> </span>draft-brown-epp-fees<br>
Revision:<span> </span>06<br>
Title:<span> </span>Registry Fee Extension for the Extensible Provisioning =
Protocol<br>
(EPP)<br>
Document date:<span> </span>2015-11-04<br>
Group:<span> </span>Individual Submission<br>
Pages:<span> </span>36<br>
URL:<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt=
" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-brown-epp-fe=
es-06.txt</a><br>
Status: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://=
datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brown-epp-fees/" target=3D"_blank">https://d=
atatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brown-epp-fees/</a><br>
Htmlized: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf=
.org/html/draft-brown-epp-fees-06" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org=
/html/draft-brown-epp-fees-06</a><br>
Diff: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<a href=
=3D"https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-brown-epp-fees-06" target=3D"=
_blank">https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-brown-epp-fees-06</a><br>
<br>
Abstract:<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0This document describes an Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EP=
P)<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0extension mapping for registry fees.<br>
<br>
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On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Antoin Verschuren <ietf@antoin.nl> wrote:
> That does not mean we cannot work on documents in group 3 before the dead=
line.
> If we=E2=80=99re done earlier with documents in group 3 because there hap=
pens to be momentum for one of the drafts that=E2=80=99s fine too.

I think that is the important thing. No working group has ever been
penalized for completing work ahead of schedule (probably because no
working group has ever completed work ahead of schedule, but that's a
different matter).

As long as we recognize that milestones are malleable and that the
IESG wants an initial starting point, I'm good with what you have
stated.

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James,

The pragmatist version is of course favorable to me, but the ability to ask
for fees relating to multiple commands and/or phases is incredibly useful.
Without that ability we would still have to send multiple commands since we
also request the fees for renewals as well as registrations when we perform
a check. This allows us to provide pricing for purchasing and give our
customers an idea of the renewal pricing that they will see next year.
Multiple phases is also useful that way we can calculate the price for
pre-registrations and pre-landrush while in the sunrise phase with only one
command.

So removing the <fee:objID> objects and having a <fee:period> and one or
more <fee:command> and optionally many <fee:period> elements that apply to
the list of objects referenced in the check command. The response format
can stay the same. Would that be your pragmatic suggestion?

Thanks,
-Pat

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 12:11 PM Gould, James <JGould@verisign.com> wrote:

> Pat & Roger,
>
> Let me clarify from two different perspectives:
>
> Idealist:
> The fee information really doesn=E2=80=99t follow the semantics of a chec=
k, but
> follows the semantics of an info.  The check command is setup as a
> container of boolean checks of the existence or availability of something
> (domain, claim, contact identifier, etc.).  The info command provides the
> query information for general information.  The fee extension is not aski=
ng
> for the existence or availability of something, but is asking for fee
> information given query inputs.  The query inputs may be invalid, so one =
of
> my questions is what should the server return for each of the invalid
> inputs (objID, objURI, objID, element, currency, command, and period)?  T=
he
> check command should be simple and fast, where extending it with addition=
al
> query or separate check information runs the risk of making it complex an=
d
> slow.
>
> Pragmatist:
> If a fee is needed for every domain check, then we need a mechanism to
> support fee information as an extension to check.  To keep it a true
> extension, the only elements needed in the <fee:check> element should be
> <fee:currency>, <fee:command>, and <fee:period> that apply across all of
> the check identifiers (<domain:name>) included under the check command
> (<domain:check>).  This would result in a check response including a
> <fee:chkData> element that matches what is currently defined
> in draft-brown-epp-fees-06, except the <fee:objID> elements would always
> correspond to a response identifier (<domain:name>).  If there is invalid
> input provided with <fee:currency>, <fee:command>, or <fee:period>, the
> check command should fail with a specified EPP error code (my guess is
> 2306, since invalid input would be based on server policy).
>
> I=E2=80=99m assuming that the pragmatist is favorable over the idealist, =
but the
> idealist in me has a real concern of overloading the check command /
> response as a pattern to combine commands / responses.
>
> =E2=80=94
>
>
> JG
>
>
>
>
>
> *James Gould *Distinguished Engineer
> jgould@Verisign.com
>
> 703-948-3271
> 12061 Bluemont Way
> Reston, VA 20190
>
> VerisignInc.com
>
> On Dec 4, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Pat Moroney <pmoroney@name.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have to agree with Roger. The vast majority of check commands that we
> send are triggered by a customer searching on our website. To create the
> search results we need both the availability and the fee information in
> order to calculate the pricing. We can currently get that with one check
> command, but if it is split up our command volume will almost double.
>
> Thanks,
> -Pat
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 9:20 AM Roger D Carney <rcarney@godaddy.com> wrote=
:
>
>> Good Morning,
>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting idea Jim. Though not completely disagreeing with your premis=
e
>> that the check and fee have different purposes, let me play devil=E2=80=
=99s
>> advocate here with some knowledge on the separate claims check in mind a=
s
>> well. Different individual purposes maybe but when looking at the varied
>> data flow scenarios (how is this data used and presented to the end
>> customer), I believe most clients would see the purposes aligned well.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have heard from many people with the same question about claims: =E2=
=80=9CWhy
>> do we have to make two calls to see if a domain has a claim associated t=
o
>> it, can=E2=80=99t they just tell us in the check?=E2=80=9D
>>
>>
>>
>> I am guessing the same question will come up if it is a separate call fo=
r
>> fee information as well. People may make the argument that the additiona=
l
>> claims check is only needed for a specific period of time (except for th=
ose
>> doing indefinite claims). I think everyone would agree this same argumen=
t
>> does not apply for fees and as we see more and more varied wholesale mod=
els
>> I think an integrated call is more natural and becomes more necessary.
>>
>>
>>
>> Again, as these concepts align well from a flow perspective and as the
>> probability of expanding wholesaling models increases, I believe most
>> clients would prefer (demand) one call over multiple calls.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* EppExt [mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Gould,
>> James
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 04, 2015 7:37 AM
>> *To:* Gavin Brown
>> *Cc:* eppext@ietf.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [eppext] New Version Notification for
>> draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt
>>
>>
>>
>> Gavin,
>>
>>
>>
>> In reviewing draft-brown-epp-fees-06, I have the following feedback:
>>
>>
>>
>>    1. The fee check extension is really not a good fit for extension of
>>    the available check.  They have different purposes and there is reall=
y no
>>    relationship between the two, where the availability check can includ=
e a
>>    completely different set of domain names from getting the fee extensi=
on.
>>    My recommendation is to separate the two and define the fee check as =
a new
>>    verb similar to the claims check in draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase.  A=
nother
>>    option is truly extend the object identifiers (e.g. domain:names) in =
the
>>    check command with a set of fee attributes to get the fee information=
 for.
>>    Have the extension only specify the command and the optional currency=
 and
>>    fee that applies to all of the names in the availability check comman=
d.
>>    The response would include the same list of object identifiers in the
>>    extension, but it would be a one-to-one relationship.  In this way th=
ere is
>>    no need for the =E2=80=9CobjURI=E2=80=9D attribute, the <fee:objID> e=
lement, and
>>    <fee:objID> =E2=80=9Celement=E2=80=9D attribute in the check command,=
 since the object and
>>    identifying element is already defined by the availability check obje=
ct
>>    that is being extended.
>>    2. What should be returned when the client passes invalid data in the
>>    check command for the the =E2=80=9CobjURI=E2=80=9D attribute (e.g. =
=E2=80=9Curn:made:up:uri=E2=80=9D), the
>>    <fee:objID> element (e.g. invalid domain name), the =E2=80=9Celement=
=E2=80=9D attribute of
>>    <fee:objID> (e.g. =E2=80=9Cmadeup=E2=80=9D), the <fee:currency> eleme=
nt (e.g. =E2=80=9CMUP=E2=80=9D), and
>>    the <fee:period> element (e.g. =E2=80=9C99" when max is =E2=80=9C10=
=E2=80=9D)?  An invalid
>>    <fee:command> is covered by not returning the fee information, but it=
=E2=80=99s
>>    unclear whether the server should return an error or not return the f=
ee
>>    information for other invalid data.  To follow the semantics of a che=
ck
>>    command and response, my recommendation is to add an =E2=80=9Cavail=
=E2=80=9D attribute to
>>    either <fee:cd> or <fee:objID> to explicitly indicate that the fee
>>    information is available along with an optional <fee:reason> to indic=
ate
>>    the reason that the fee information is not available.  The reason the=
 fee
>>    information is not available for a particular object could be due to =
the
>>    passing of invalid input in the check command <fee:object> element.  =
If you
>>    went with a single set of fee elements in the check command that is a=
pplied
>>    to all of the object identifiers in the availability check, then an i=
nvalid
>>    fee element could result in a failure of the check command itself ins=
tead
>>    of being an error (e.g. not available) on a per domain basis.
>>    3. Since the check response supports returning a =E2=80=9C0.00=E2=80=
=9D value to
>>    indicate no fee, doesn=E2=80=99t make sense to do the same with all t=
ransform
>>    command responses?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> =E2=80=94
>>
>>
>>
>> JG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *James Gould *Distinguished Engineer
>> jgould@Verisign.com <http://jgould@verisign.com/>
>>
>> 703-948-3271
>> 12061 Bluemont Way
>> Reston, VA 20190
>>
>> VerisignInc.com <http://verisigninc.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 4, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Gavin Brown <gavin.brown@centralnic.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Changes from 05 to 06:
>>
>>   1.  The specification is now object-agnostic, but works with RFC5731
>>       [RFC5731] domains by default.
>>
>>   2.  Renamed the <fee:domain> element to <fee:object>.  Added the
>>       "objURI" attribute.
>>
>>   3.  Removed the default value for the "refundable" attribute of
>>       <fee:fee> elements, and added text about how clients should
>>       handle such cases.  Added similar text to the documentation of
>>       the "grace-period" attribute.
>>
>>   4.  Removed references to the defunct <info> command syntax.
>>
>>   5.  "MUST" requirements regarding documentation have been changed to
>>       "must".
>>
>>   6.  Created separate "Correlation between Refundability and Grace
>>       Periods" section describing how the "refundable" and "grace-
>>       period" attributes work together.
>>
>> Feedback welcome as always!
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt
>> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 14:52:30 -0800
>> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org
>> To: Gavin Brown <gavin.brown@centralnic.com>, Jothan Frakes
>> <jothan@jothan.com>
>>
>>
>> A new version of I-D, draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt
>> has been successfully submitted by Gavin Brown and posted to the
>> IETF repository.
>>
>> Name: draft-brown-epp-fees
>> Revision: 06
>> Title: Registry Fee Extension for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol
>> (EPP)
>> Document date: 2015-11-04
>> Group: Individual Submission
>> Pages: 36
>> URL:
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>> Abstract:
>>   This document describes an Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP)
>>   extension mapping for registry fees.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">James,<div><br></div><div>The pragmatist version is of cou=
rse favorable to me, but the ability to ask for fees relating to multiple c=
ommands and/or phases is incredibly useful. Without that ability we would s=
till have to send multiple commands since we also request the fees for rene=
wals as well as registrations when we perform a check. This allows us to pr=
ovide pricing for purchasing and give our customers an idea of the renewal =
pricing that they will see next year. Multiple phases is also useful that w=
ay we can calculate the price for pre-registrations and pre-landrush while =
in the sunrise phase with only one command.</div><div><span style=3D"line-h=
eight:17.7273px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"line-height:17.7273px=
">So removing the &lt;fee:objID&gt; objects and having a &lt;fee:period&gt;=
 and one or more &lt;fee:command&gt; and optionally many &lt;fee:period&gt;=
 elements that apply to the list of objects referenced in the check command=
. The response format can stay the same. Would that be your pragmatic sugge=
stion?</span></div><div><span style=3D"line-height:17.7273px"><br></span></=
div><div><span style=3D"line-height:17.7273px">Thanks,</span></div><div><sp=
an style=3D"line-height:17.7273px">-Pat</span></div></div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 12:11 PM Gould, James=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:JGould@verisign.com">JGould@verisign.com</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">



<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
<div>Pat &amp; Roger,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Let me clarify from two different perspectives:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Idealist:=C2=A0</div>
<div>The fee information really doesn=E2=80=99t follow the semantics of a c=
heck, but follows the semantics of an info.=C2=A0 The check command is setu=
p as a container of boolean checks of the existence or availability of some=
thing (domain, claim, contact identifier,
 etc.).=C2=A0 The info command provides the query information for general i=
nformation.=C2=A0 The fee extension is not asking for the existence or avai=
lability of something, but is asking for fee information given query inputs=
.=C2=A0 The query inputs may be invalid, so one
 of my questions is what should the server return for each of the invalid i=
nputs (objID, objURI, objID, element, currency, command, and period)?=C2=A0=
 The check command should be simple and fast, where extending it with addit=
ional query or separate check information
 runs the risk of making it complex and slow.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Pragmatist:</div>
<div>If a fee is needed for every domain check, then we need a mechanism to=
 support fee information as an extension to check.=C2=A0 To keep it a true =
extension, the only elements needed in the &lt;fee:check&gt; element should=
 be &lt;fee:currency&gt;, &lt;fee:command&gt;,
 and &lt;fee:period&gt; that apply across all of the check identifiers (&lt=
;domain:name&gt;) included under the check command (&lt;domain:check&gt;).=
=C2=A0 This would result in a check response including a &lt;fee:chkData&gt=
; element that matches what is currently defined in=C2=A0draft-brown-epp-fe=
es-06,
 except the &lt;fee:objID&gt; elements would always correspond to a respons=
e identifier (&lt;domain:name&gt;).=C2=A0 If there is invalid input provide=
d with &lt;fee:currency&gt;, &lt;fee:command&gt;, or &lt;fee:period&gt;, th=
e check command should fail with a specified EPP error code (my guess
 is 2306, since invalid input would be based on server policy). =C2=A0</div=
>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>I=E2=80=99m assuming that the pragmatist is favorable over the idealis=
t, but the idealist in me has a real concern of overloading the check comma=
nd / response as a pattern to combine commands / responses. =C2=A0</div></d=
iv><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
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e:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-=
height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-sp=
ace:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<p style=3D"margin:0px"><font face=3D"Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-size:15px">=E2=80=94</span></font></p>
<p style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:=
normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-he=
ight:normal;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;margin:=
0px">
<font face=3D"Calibri,Verdana,Helvetica,Arial" style=3D"font-size:14px"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:11pt"><br>
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<p style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-style:=
normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-he=
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0px">
<font face=3D"Calibri,Verdana,Helvetica,Arial" style=3D"font-size:14px"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:11pt">JG<br>
<br>
</span></font></p>
</div>
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le:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line=
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dana;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:norma=
l;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px=
;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px;font-sty=
le:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line=
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pace:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span><img height=3D"64" width=3D"73" src=3D"=
cid:77031CC3-BE7A-4188-A95F-D23115A30A4D@vcorp.ad.vrsn.com"></span><font fa=
ce=3D"Calibri,Verdana,Helvetica,Arial" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style=
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ne;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-size:14px"><span style=3D"font-=
size:12pt"><br>
</span></font><font color=3D"#006AAA" style=3D"font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-=
align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spa=
cing:0px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><font size=3D"2"><f=
ont face=3D"Helvetica,Verdana,Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt"><b>Jame=
s
 Gould<br>
</b></span></font></font></font><font size=3D"2" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);=
font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:nor=
mal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none=
;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><font =
face=3D"Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt"><font col=
or=3D"#6B6D71">Distinguished
 Engineer<br>
<a href=3D"http://jgould@Verisign.com" target=3D"_blank">jgould@Verisign.co=
m</a><br>
<br>
703-948-3271<br>
12061 Bluemont Way<br>
Reston, VA 20190<br>
<br>
</font><font color=3D"#006AAA"><a href=3D"http://VerisignInc.com" target=3D=
"_blank">VerisignInc.com</a></font></span></font></font>
</span></span></div>
<br>
</div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>On Dec 4, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Pat Moroney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pmorone=
y@name.com" target=3D"_blank">pmoroney@name.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<br>
</blockquote></div></div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><blockquo=
te type=3D"cite"><div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi all,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I have to agree with Roger. The vast majority of check commands that w=
e send are triggered by a customer searching on our website. To create the =
search results we need both the availability and the fee information in ord=
er to calculate the pricing.
 We can currently get that with one check command, but if it is split up ou=
r command volume will almost double.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>-Pat</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 9:20 AM Roger D Carney &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:rcarney@godaddy.com" target=3D"_blank">rcarney@godaddy.com</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Good Morning,<u></u><u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Interesting idea Jim. =
Though not completely disagreeing with your premise that the check and fee =
have different purposes, let me play devil=E2=80=99s advocate here with som=
e knowledge on the separate claims
 check in mind as well. Different individual purposes maybe but when lookin=
g at the varied data flow scenarios (how is this data used and presented to=
 the end customer), I believe most clients would see the purposes aligned w=
ell.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">I have heard from many=
 people with the same question about claims: =E2=80=9CWhy do we have to mak=
e two calls to see if a domain has a claim associated to it, can=E2=80=99t =
they just tell us in the check?=E2=80=9D<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">I am guessing the same=
 question will come up if it is a separate call for fee information as well=
. People may make the argument that the additional claims check is only nee=
ded for a specific period of
 time (except for those doing indefinite claims). I think everyone would ag=
ree this same argument does not apply for fees and as we see more and more =
varied wholesale models I think an integrated call is more natural and beco=
mes more necessary.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Again, as these concep=
ts align well from a flow perspective and as the probability of expanding w=
holesaling models increases, I believe most clients would prefer (demand) o=
ne call over multiple calls.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Thanks<u></u><u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Roger<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> EppExt=
 [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">eppex=
t-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gould, James<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 04, 2015 7:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gavin Brown<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:eppext@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">eppext@ietf=
.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [eppext] New Version Notification for draft-brown-epp-f=
ees-06.txt<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Gavin, <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>In reviewing draft-brown-epp-fees-06, I have t=
he following feedback:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<ol start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>The fee check extension is really not a good =
fit for extension of the available check.=C2=A0 They have different purpose=
s and there is really no relationship between the two, where the availabili=
ty check can include a completely
 different set of domain names from getting the fee extension.=C2=A0 My rec=
ommendation is to separate the two and define the fee check as a new verb s=
imilar to the claims check in draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase.=C2=A0 Another =
option is truly extend the object identifiers
 (e.g. domain:names) in the check command with a set of fee attributes to g=
et the fee information for.=C2=A0 Have the extension only specify the comma=
nd and the optional currency and fee that applies to all of the names in th=
e availability check command.=C2=A0 The response
 would include the same list of object identifiers in the extension, but it=
 would be a one-to-one relationship.=C2=A0 In this way there is no need for=
 the =E2=80=9CobjURI=E2=80=9D attribute, the &lt;fee:objID&gt; element, and=
 &lt;fee:objID&gt; =E2=80=9Celement=E2=80=9D attribute in the check command=
, since
 the object and identifying element is already defined by the availability =
check object that is being extended. =C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></li>=
<li class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>What should be returned when the client passe=
s invalid data in the check command for the the =E2=80=9CobjURI=E2=80=9D at=
tribute (e.g. =E2=80=9Curn:made:up:uri=E2=80=9D), the &lt;fee:objID&gt; ele=
ment (e.g. invalid domain name), the =E2=80=9Celement=E2=80=9D attribute of=
 &lt;fee:objID&gt;
 (e.g. =E2=80=9Cmadeup=E2=80=9D), the &lt;fee:currency&gt; element (e.g. =
=E2=80=9CMUP=E2=80=9D), and the &lt;fee:period&gt; element (e.g. =E2=80=9C9=
9&quot; when max is =E2=80=9C10=E2=80=9D)?=C2=A0 An invalid &lt;fee:command=
&gt; is covered by not returning the fee information, but it=E2=80=99s uncl=
ear whether the server should return an error or not
 return the fee information for other invalid data.=C2=A0 To follow the sem=
antics of a check command and response, my recommendation is to add an =E2=
=80=9Cavail=E2=80=9D attribute to either &lt;fee:cd&gt; or &lt;fee:objID&gt=
; to explicitly indicate that the fee information is available along
 with an optional &lt;fee:reason&gt; to indicate the reason that the fee in=
formation is not available.=C2=A0 The reason the fee information is not ava=
ilable for a particular object could be due to the passing of invalid input=
 in the check command &lt;fee:object&gt; element.=C2=A0
 If you went with a single set of fee elements in the check command that is=
 applied to all of the object identifiers in the availability check, then a=
n invalid fee element could result in a failure of the check command itself=
 instead of being an error (e.g.
 not available) on a per domain basis. =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Since the check response supports re=
turning a =E2=80=9C0.00=E2=80=9D value to indicate no fee, doesn=E2=80=99t =
make sense to do the same with all transform command responses? =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></li></ol>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Calibri,=
sans-serif">=E2=80=94</span><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdan=
a,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"word-spacing:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;word-spacing:0px"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">JG</span><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana,san=
s-serif"><br>
<img width=3D"73" height=3D"64"></span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-f=
amily:Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-family:Times,serif"><br>
</span><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;=
,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#006aaa">James Gould<br>
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#6b6d71">Distinguished Engineer<br>
<a href=3D"http://jgould@verisign.com/" target=3D"_blank">jgould@Verisign.c=
om</a><br>
<br>
703-948-3271<br>
12061 Bluemont Way<br>
Reston, VA 20190<br>
<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#006aaa"><a href=3D"http://verisigninc.com/" tar=
get=3D"_blank">VerisignInc.com</a></span><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-=
family:Verdana,sans-serif">
</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>On Nov 4, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Gavin Brown &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:gavin.brown@centralnic.com" target=3D"_blank">gavin.brown@c=
entralnic.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Changes from 05 to 06:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A01.=C2=A0 The specification is now object-agnostic, but works wi=
th RFC5731<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0[RFC5731] domains by default.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A02.=C2=A0 Renamed the &lt;fee:domain&gt; element to &lt;fee:obje=
ct&gt;.=C2=A0 Added the<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0&quot;objURI&quot; attribute.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A03.=C2=A0 Removed the default value for the &quot;refundable&quo=
t; attribute of<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0&lt;fee:fee&gt; elements, and added tex=
t about how clients should<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0handle such cases.=C2=A0 Added similar =
text to the documentation of<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0the &quot;grace-period&quot; attribute.=
<br>
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A04.=C2=A0 Removed references to the defunct &lt;info&gt; command=
 syntax.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A05. =C2=A0&quot;MUST&quot; requirements regarding documentation =
have been changed to<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0&quot;must&quot;.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A06.=C2=A0 Created separate &quot;Correlation between Refundabili=
ty and Grace<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Periods&quot; section describing how th=
e &quot;refundable&quot; and &quot;grace-<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0period&quot; attributes work together.<=
br>
<br>
Feedback welcome as always!<br>
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Subject: New Version Notification for draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt<br>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 14:52:30 -0800<br>
From: <a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">interne=
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To: Gavin Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gavin.brown@centralnic.com" target=3D=
"_blank">gavin.brown@centralnic.com</a>&gt;, Jothan Frakes<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jothan@jothan.com" target=3D"_blank">jothan@jothan.co=
m</a>&gt;<br>
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A new version of I-D, draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt<br>
has been successfully submitted by Gavin Brown and posted to the<br>
IETF repository.<br>
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Name:<span> </span>draft-brown-epp-fees<br>
Revision:<span> </span>06<br>
Title:<span> </span>Registry Fee Extension for the Extensible Provisioning =
Protocol<br>
(EPP)<br>
Document date:<span> </span>2015-11-04<br>
Group:<span> </span>Individual Submission<br>
Pages:<span> </span>36<br>
URL:<br>
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Chief Technology Officer<br>
CentralNic Group plc (LSE:CNIC)<br>
Innovative, Reliable and Flexible Registry Services<br>
for ccTLD, gTLD and private domain name registries<br>
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Dear chair,
Thanks for your work to propose the discussion.

I agree that the WG needs a milestone and schedule, since we do not have so
much time to work on these existing documents in parallel. In my opinion,
the logical working process of a draft is that first calling for WG
adoption, approved by WG (discussed and supported on the mailing list or at
the f2f meeting), included in the milestone, etc.. I believe that all the
document should follow the clear working path. If a document has opposed
comments, whether or not we should discuss the technical stuff first and
pend the document included in the charter. The nv draft as a single
informational document, which is related to some Chinese local policies, I
still do not see a clarified consensus on it. Shall we discuss if the
document is qualified to be a WG document?

For the priority issue, I think the document with most discussion and
support should be listed in the first priority. The verification drafts were
proposed before last IETF, there's still no thorough discussion about them
on the mailing list. It is somewhat a hurry to complete 3 drafts WGLC in a
period of time less than one month. Moreover, most of the WG members will
have a Christmas holiday, I guess. Though we don't have such a long holiday
in China :)

Again, I feel obliged to discuss more about the technical issues on existing
drafts. Let's move this recharter work and take action on drafts as soon as
possible.

Thanks and Regards,
Linlin

> -Discussion on priority or grouping, but then there needs to be consensus
on
> which documents to exchange in the priority because we cannot work on all
> documents at the same time.
> 
> To be clear:
> -All of the documents on this list will become WG documents.
> -As discussed in Yokohama, this WG focusses on Standards track documents,
> but at the WG request, we can review Informational documents, and the nv
> mapping draft in one such example where the authors have requested WG
> review.


> -The order and priority can be changed in the future, but this is the
initial order
> in which we think work can be done.
> -There is room for new evolving documents to be added later.
> 
> 
> MILESTONES
> 
> The proposal is to create a set of groups of our documents, order those
groups,
> and then create milestones for each group.
> 
> As a starting point for discussion there is a set of documents already
active and
> the rest have been distributed into 4 sets.
> 
> 
> Here is the proposed set of milestones.  It is based on the model of 3
months
> per group.
> 
> Active Now
> 
> - WGLC completed by December 2015
> - Submit for publication January 2016
> 


> Group 1
> 
> - WGLC completed by February 2016
> - Submit for publication March 2016
> 
> Group 2
> 
> - WGLC completed by May 2016
> - Submit for publication June 2016
> 
> Group 3
> 
> - WGLC completed by September 2016
> - Submit for publication October 2016
> 
> Group 4
> 
> - WGLC completed by January 2017
> - Submit for publication February 2017
> 
> 
> 
> Here is the proposed groupings of the documents.
> 
> Active now
> 
> draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay
> draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd
> 
> draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase
> draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-func-spec
> 
> 
> Group 1
> 
> -epp-rdap mapping (draft-gould-epp-rdap-status-mapping)
> -verification code (draft-gould-eppext-verificationcode)
> -nv mapping (draft-xie-eppext-nv-mapping)(Remains as Informational, but
> reviewed by WG)
> 

> 
> Group 2
> 
> -reseller (draft-zhou-eppext-reseller and
draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping)
> -allocation token (draft-gould-allocation-token) -change poll
> (draft-gould-change-poll)
> 
> 
> Group 3
> 
> -fees (draft-brown-epp-fees-05)
> -bundling (draft-kong-eppext-bundling-registration)
> 
> 
> Group 4
> 
> -IDN Table Mapping (draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap and draft-gould-idn-table
and
> draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext) -Relay (no draft yet, split from keyrelay)



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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Extensible Provisioning Protocol Extensions Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Key Relay Mapping for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol
        Authors         : Marc Groeneweg
                          Antoin Verschuren
                          Rik Ribbers
	Filename        : draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay-11.txt
	Pages           : 18
	Date            : 2015-12-07

Abstract:
   This document describes an Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP)
   mapping for a key relay object that relays DNSSEC key material
   between EPP clients using the poll queue defined in RFC5730.

   This key relay mapping will help facilitate changing the DNS operator
   of a domain while keeping the DNSSEC chain of trust intact.


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All,

As you have noticed a new version of the key relay draft has been =
posted. This version contains the remarks made during the IETF last call =
(which ended last friday).

As of now the draft is in IESG review.

Gr,
Rik=20

> On 07 Dec 2015, at 18:08, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>=20
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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts =
directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Extensible Provisioning Protocol =
Extensions Working Group of the IETF.
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>        Title           : Key Relay Mapping for the Extensible =
Provisioning Protocol
>        Authors         : Marc Groeneweg
>                          Antoin Verschuren
>                          Rik Ribbers
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay-11.txt
> 	Pages           : 18
> 	Date            : 2015-12-07
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> Abstract:
>   This document describes an Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP)
>   mapping for a key relay object that relays DNSSEC key material
>   between EPP clients using the poll queue defined in RFC5730.
>=20
>   This key relay mapping will help facilitate changing the DNS =
operator
>   of a domain while keeping the DNSSEC chain of trust intact.
>=20
>=20
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay/
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> There's also a htmlized version available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay-11
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> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay-11
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> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of =
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> I-D: <draft-ietf-eppext-tmch-smd-03.txt>
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> IETF Last Call has ended, and the state has been changed to
> Waiting for AD Go-Ahead.

During last call I saw a Gen-ART review from Russ Housley and a SecDir
review from Simon Josefsson.  I saw no responses to either, so I'm
leaving this in the "Waiting for AD Go-Ahead" state pending responses
to those reviews and addressing of the issues raised.

For easy reference...
Gen-ART review:
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/gen-art/current/msg12584.html
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James, Marc,

Currently for our check commands sent for searches, this is what we request
for fees:
create command for 1 year in the current phase
renew command for 1 year in the GA phase
create command for 1 year in the GA phase if the current phase is sunrise
or landrush.
create command for 1 year in the landrush phase if the current phase is
sunrise.

We never request a fee for a domain that is not included in the check
command.

We do this because we calculate prices for each of these in our search
results. Removing the ability to get this data in a check response will
require us to perform multiple commands for searches, which will always be
slower then performing a single command that gets the same information.

The check command is the only command that operates on non-existent
objects. Combining that with the fact that the check command can return the
availability of multiple domains in a single command makes it better suited
to return data that is necessary for search results.
Modifying the info command to respond without an error when an object does
not exist upsets the idealist in me more then returning more information in
the check command. Also the idea of sending additional multiple millions
of info commands per day upsets the pragmatic in me.

Performing a fee check on a domain that does not exist happens a couple of
orders of magnitude more times then performing a fee check on a domain that
exists. That is why removing the extension from the info command wasn't a
big deal.
In our case, performing an availability check without performing these fee
checks never happens, so removing the extension from the check command
would be a big deal.

Thanks,
-Pat

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 2:13 AM Marc Groeneweg <Marc.Groeneweg@sidn.nl>
wrote:

> Pat, James, etal.,
>
>
>
> I have to agree with James on this one. Shouldn=E2=80=99t we create a sim=
ple check
> for checking availability of a domain name (as supposed) extended with th=
e
> current fee (given the period the registry/domain phase is in). And exten=
d
> the info command with more complex fee information. The perceived respons=
e
> time for a check command is very, very small =E2=80=98cause its such a sm=
all, and
> powerful command.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> *From:* EppExt [mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Gould,
> James
> *Sent:* vrijdag 4 december 2015 23:55
> *To:* Pat Moroney
> *Cc:* Roger D Carney; eppext@ietf.org
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [eppext] New Version Notification for
> draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt
>
>
>
> Pat,
>
>
>
> You don=E2=80=99t have an issue with applying a common list of commands a=
nd
> periods across the list of objects in the check command?  Was your plan
> with draft-brown-epp-fees-06 to include multiple <fee:object> elements wi=
th
> the same <fee:objID> value, but with different <fee:command> and
> <fee:period> values to obtain a fee table or a set of fees for a domain?
> My main concern is overloading the use of the check command for something
> that looks and feels like a query (info) interface.  It just feels odd to
> leverage the extended check command to get fee information for existing
> domain names.  My idealist side is really starting to get concerned with
> the mixing of the availability check with a fee query service.  It would =
be
> best to keep the check simple and provide for a limited set of fee
> information (one command and period along with the domain availability) a=
s
> a true extension of the availability check to quickly provide the
> availability and create fee for each available object or provide a fee
> table for each available object (billable commands and fees by period
> ranges).  A more powerful query interface could be provided to support mo=
re
> elaborate searches, which is best with the info command and response that
> was removed in draft-brown-epp-fees-05.  I realize that it is preferred f=
or
> everything to be provided in a single command and response, but the speed
> and simplicity of the check is really being put at risk.
>
>
>
> =E2=80=94
>
>
>
> JG
>
>
>
>
>
> *James Gould *Distinguished Engineer
> jgould@Verisign.com
>
> 703-948-3271
> 12061 Bluemont Way
> Reston, VA 20190
>
> VerisignInc.com
>
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Pat Moroney <pmoroney@name.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> James,
>
>
>
> The pragmatist version is of course favorable to me, but the ability to
> ask for fees relating to multiple commands and/or phases is incredibly
> useful. Without that ability we would still have to send multiple command=
s
> since we also request the fees for renewals as well as registrations when
> we perform a check. This allows us to provide pricing for purchasing and
> give our customers an idea of the renewal pricing that they will see next
> year. Multiple phases is also useful that way we can calculate the price
> for pre-registrations and pre-landrush while in the sunrise phase with on=
ly
> one command.
>
>
>
> So removing the <fee:objID> objects and having a <fee:period> and one or
> more <fee:command> and optionally many <fee:period> elements that apply t=
o
> the list of objects referenced in the check command. The response format
> can stay the same. Would that be your pragmatic suggestion?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Pat
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 12:11 PM Gould, James <JGould@verisign.com> wrote:
>
> Pat & Roger,
>
>
>
> Let me clarify from two different perspectives:
>
>
>
> Idealist:
>
> The fee information really doesn=E2=80=99t follow the semantics of a chec=
k, but
> follows the semantics of an info.  The check command is setup as a
> container of boolean checks of the existence or availability of something
> (domain, claim, contact identifier, etc.).  The info command provides the
> query information for general information.  The fee extension is not aski=
ng
> for the existence or availability of something, but is asking for fee
> information given query inputs.  The query inputs may be invalid, so one =
of
> my questions is what should the server return for each of the invalid
> inputs (objID, objURI, objID, element, currency, command, and period)?  T=
he
> check command should be simple and fast, where extending it with addition=
al
> query or separate check information runs the risk of making it complex an=
d
> slow.
>
>
>
> Pragmatist:
>
> If a fee is needed for every domain check, then we need a mechanism to
> support fee information as an extension to check.  To keep it a true
> extension, the only elements needed in the <fee:check> element should be
> <fee:currency>, <fee:command>, and <fee:period> that apply across all of
> the check identifiers (<domain:name>) included under the check command
> (<domain:check>).  This would result in a check response including a
> <fee:chkData> element that matches what is currently defined
> in draft-brown-epp-fees-06, except the <fee:objID> elements would always
> correspond to a response identifier (<domain:name>).  If there is invalid
> input provided with <fee:currency>, <fee:command>, or <fee:period>, the
> check command should fail with a specified EPP error code (my guess is
> 2306, since invalid input would be based on server policy).
>
>
>
> I=E2=80=99m assuming that the pragmatist is favorable over the idealist, =
but the
> idealist in me has a real concern of overloading the check command /
> response as a pattern to combine commands / responses.
>
>
>
> =E2=80=94
>
>
>
> JG
>
>
>
>
>
> *James Gould *Distinguished Engineer
> jgould@Verisign.com <http://jgould@verisign.com/>
>
> 703-948-3271
> 12061 Bluemont Way
> Reston, VA 20190
>
> VerisignInc.com <http://verisigninc.com/>
>
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Pat Moroney <pmoroney@name.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I have to agree with Roger. The vast majority of check commands that we
> send are triggered by a customer searching on our website. To create the
> search results we need both the availability and the fee information in
> order to calculate the pricing. We can currently get that with one check
> command, but if it is split up our command volume will almost double.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Pat
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 9:20 AM Roger D Carney <rcarney@godaddy.com> wrote=
:
>
> Good Morning,
>
>
>
> Interesting idea Jim. Though not completely disagreeing with your premise
> that the check and fee have different purposes, let me play devil=E2=80=
=99s
> advocate here with some knowledge on the separate claims check in mind as
> well. Different individual purposes maybe but when looking at the varied
> data flow scenarios (how is this data used and presented to the end
> customer), I believe most clients would see the purposes aligned well.
>
>
>
> I have heard from many people with the same question about claims: =E2=80=
=9CWhy do
> we have to make two calls to see if a domain has a claim associated to it=
,
> can=E2=80=99t they just tell us in the check?=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> I am guessing the same question will come up if it is a separate call for
> fee information as well. People may make the argument that the additional
> claims check is only needed for a specific period of time (except for tho=
se
> doing indefinite claims). I think everyone would agree this same argument
> does not apply for fees and as we see more and more varied wholesale mode=
ls
> I think an integrated call is more natural and becomes more necessary.
>
>
>
> Again, as these concepts align well from a flow perspective and as the
> probability of expanding wholesaling models increases, I believe most
> clients would prefer (demand) one call over multiple calls.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Roger
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* EppExt [mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Gould,
> James
> *Sent:* Friday, December 04, 2015 7:37 AM
> *To:* Gavin Brown
> *Cc:* eppext@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [eppext] New Version Notification for
> draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt
>
>
>
> Gavin,
>
>
>
> In reviewing draft-brown-epp-fees-06, I have the following feedback:
>
>
>
>    1. The fee check extension is really not a good fit for extension of
>    the available check.  They have different purposes and there is really=
 no
>    relationship between the two, where the availability check can include=
 a
>    completely different set of domain names from getting the fee extensio=
n.
>    My recommendation is to separate the two and define the fee check as a=
 new
>    verb similar to the claims check in draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase.  An=
other
>    option is truly extend the object identifiers (e.g. domain:names) in t=
he
>    check command with a set of fee attributes to get the fee information =
for.
>    Have the extension only specify the command and the optional currency =
and
>    fee that applies to all of the names in the availability check command=
.
>    The response would include the same list of object identifiers in the
>    extension, but it would be a one-to-one relationship.  In this way the=
re is
>    no need for the =E2=80=9CobjURI=E2=80=9D attribute, the <fee:objID> el=
ement, and
>    <fee:objID> =E2=80=9Celement=E2=80=9D attribute in the check command, =
since the object and
>    identifying element is already defined by the availability check objec=
t
>    that is being extended.
>    2. What should be returned when the client passes invalid data in the
>    check command for the the =E2=80=9CobjURI=E2=80=9D attribute (e.g. =E2=
=80=9Curn:made:up:uri=E2=80=9D), the
>    <fee:objID> element (e.g. invalid domain name), the =E2=80=9Celement=
=E2=80=9D attribute of
>    <fee:objID> (e.g. =E2=80=9Cmadeup=E2=80=9D), the <fee:currency> elemen=
t (e.g. =E2=80=9CMUP=E2=80=9D), and
>    the <fee:period> element (e.g. =E2=80=9C99" when max is =E2=80=9C10=E2=
=80=9D)?  An invalid
>    <fee:command> is covered by not returning the fee information, but it=
=E2=80=99s
>    unclear whether the server should return an error or not return the fe=
e
>    information for other invalid data.  To follow the semantics of a chec=
k
>    command and response, my recommendation is to add an =E2=80=9Cavail=E2=
=80=9D attribute to
>    either <fee:cd> or <fee:objID> to explicitly indicate that the fee
>    information is available along with an optional <fee:reason> to indica=
te
>    the reason that the fee information is not available.  The reason the =
fee
>    information is not available for a particular object could be due to t=
he
>    passing of invalid input in the check command <fee:object> element.  I=
f you
>    went with a single set of fee elements in the check command that is ap=
plied
>    to all of the object identifiers in the availability check, then an in=
valid
>    fee element could result in a failure of the check command itself inst=
ead
>    of being an error (e.g. not available) on a per domain basis.
>    3. Since the check response supports returning a =E2=80=9C0.00=E2=80=
=9D value to
>    indicate no fee, doesn=E2=80=99t make sense to do the same with all tr=
ansform
>    command responses?
>
>
>
>
>
> =E2=80=94
>
>
>
> JG
>
>
>
>
>
> *James Gould *Distinguished Engineer
> jgould@Verisign.com <http://jgould@verisign.com/>
>
> 703-948-3271
> 12061 Bluemont Way
> Reston, VA 20190
>
> VerisignInc.com <http://verisigninc.com/>
>
>
>
> On Nov 4, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Gavin Brown <gavin.brown@centralnic.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Changes from 05 to 06:
>
>   1.  The specification is now object-agnostic, but works with RFC5731
>       [RFC5731] domains by default.
>
>   2.  Renamed the <fee:domain> element to <fee:object>.  Added the
>       "objURI" attribute.
>
>   3.  Removed the default value for the "refundable" attribute of
>       <fee:fee> elements, and added text about how clients should
>       handle such cases.  Added similar text to the documentation of
>       the "grace-period" attribute.
>
>   4.  Removed references to the defunct <info> command syntax.
>
>   5.  "MUST" requirements regarding documentation have been changed to
>       "must".
>
>   6.  Created separate "Correlation between Refundability and Grace
>       Periods" section describing how the "refundable" and "grace-
>       period" attributes work together.
>
> Feedback welcome as always!
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt
> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 14:52:30 -0800
> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org
> To: Gavin Brown <gavin.brown@centralnic.com>, Jothan Frakes
> <jothan@jothan.com>
>
>
> A new version of I-D, draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt
> has been successfully submitted by Gavin Brown and posted to the
> IETF repository.
>
> Name: draft-brown-epp-fees
> Revision: 06
> Title: Registry Fee Extension for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol
> (EPP)
> Document date: 2015-11-04
> Group: Individual Submission
> Pages: 36
> URL:
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>
> Abstract:
>   This document describes an Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP)
>   extension mapping for registry fees.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">James, Marc,<div><br></div><div>Currently for our check co=
mmands sent for searches, this is what we request for fees:</div><div>creat=
e command for 1 year in the current phase</div><div>renew command for<span =
style=3D"line-height:17.7273px">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"line-height:17.=
7273px">1 year in the</span><span style=3D"line-height:1.5">=C2=A0GA phase<=
/span></div><div>create command for<span style=3D"line-height:17.7273px">=
=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"line-height:17.7273px">1 year in the</span><spa=
n style=3D"line-height:1.5">=C2=A0GA phase if the current phase is sunrise =
or landrush.</span></div><div><span style=3D"line-height:17.7273px">create =
command for</span><span style=3D"line-height:17.7273px">=C2=A0</span><span =
style=3D"line-height:17.7273px">1 year in the</span><span style=3D"line-hei=
ght:17.7273px">=C2=A0landrush phase if the current phase is sunrise.</span>=
</div><div><span style=3D"line-height:17.7273px"><br></span></div><div><spa=
n style=3D"line-height:17.7273px">We never request a fee for a domain that =
is not included in the check command.</span></div><div><span style=3D"line-=
height:17.7273px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"line-height:1.5">We =
do this because we calculate prices for each of these in our search results=
. Removing the ability to get this data in a check response will require us=
 to perform multiple commands for searches, which will always be slower the=
n performing a single command that gets the same information.=C2=A0</span><=
/div><div><br></div><div>The check command is the only command that operate=
s on non-existent objects.=C2=A0<span style=3D"line-height:17.7273px">Combi=
ning that with the fact that the check command can return the availability =
of multiple domains in a single command makes it better suited to return da=
ta that is=C2=A0necessary=C2=A0for search results.</span></div><div><span s=
tyle=3D"line-height:1.5">Modifying the info command to respond without an e=
rror when an object does not exist upsets the idealist in me more then retu=
rning more information in the check command. Also the idea of sending=C2=A0=
</span>additional multiple<span style=3D"line-height:1.5">=C2=A0millions of=
=C2=A0info commands per day upsets the pragmatic in me.=C2=A0</span></div><=
div><br></div><div>Performing a fee check on a domain that does not exist h=
appens a couple of orders of magnitude more times then performing a fee che=
ck on a domain that exists. That is why removing the extension from the inf=
o command wasn&#39;t a big deal.</div><div>In our case, performing an avail=
ability check without performing these fee checks never happens, so removin=
g the extension from the check command would be a big deal.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Thanks,</div><div>-Pat</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 2:13 AM Marc Groeneweg &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:Marc.Groeneweg@sidn.nl">Marc.Groeneweg@sidn.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"NL" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Pat, James, etal.,<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I have to =
agree with James on this one. Shouldn=E2=80=99t we create a simple check fo=
r checking availability of a domain name (as supposed) extended with
 the current fee (given the period the registry/domain phase is in). And ex=
tend the info command with more complex fee information. The perceived resp=
onse time for a check command is very, very small =E2=80=98cause its such a=
 small, and powerful command.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Regards,<u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Marc<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> EppExt [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.=
org" target=3D"_blank">eppext-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gould, James<br>
<b>Sent:</b> vrijdag 4 december 2015 23:55<br>
<b>To:</b> Pat Moroney<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Roger D Carney; <a href=3D"mailto:eppext@ietf.org" target=3D"_bl=
ank">eppext@ietf.org</a></span></p></div></div></div></div><div lang=3D"NL"=
 link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-=
top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [eppext] New Version Notification for draft-brown-epp-f=
ees-06.txt<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div><div lang=3D"NL"=
 link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pat, <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You don=E2=80=99t have an issue with applying a comm=
on list of commands and periods across the list of objects in the check com=
mand?=C2=A0 Was your plan with=C2=A0draft-brown-epp-fees-06 to include mult=
iple &lt;fee:object&gt; elements with the same &lt;fee:objID&gt;
 value, but with different &lt;fee:command&gt; and &lt;fee:period&gt; value=
s to obtain a fee table or a set of fees for a domain?=C2=A0 My main concer=
n is overloading the use of the check command for something that looks and =
feels like a query (info) interface.=C2=A0 It just feels
 odd to leverage the extended check command to get fee information for exis=
ting domain names.=C2=A0 My idealist side is really starting to get concern=
ed with the mixing of the availability check with a fee query service.=C2=
=A0 It would be best to keep the check simple
 and provide for a limited set of fee information (one command and period a=
long with the domain availability) as a true extension of the availability =
check to quickly provide the availability and create fee for each available=
 object or provide a fee table for
 each available object (billable commands and fees by period ranges).=C2=A0=
 A more powerful query interface could be provided to support more elaborat=
e searches, which is best with the info command and response that was remov=
ed in draft-brown-epp-fees-05.=C2=A0 I realize
 that it is preferred for everything to be provided in a single command and=
 response, but the speed and simplicity of the check is really being put at=
 risk. =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div></div><div lang=3D"NL" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">=E2=80=94</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;=
color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"word-spacing:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><=
u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;word-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;;color:black">JG</span><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ver=
dana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><br>
<img width=3D"73" height=3D"64" src=3D"cid:image001.png@01D130D7.7BCD9EB0">=
</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color=
:black"><br>
</span><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;=
,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#006aaa">James Gould<br>
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#6b6d71">Distinguished Engineer<br>
<a href=3D"http://jgould@Verisign.com" target=3D"_blank">jgould@Verisign.co=
m</a><br>
<br>
703-948-3271<br>
12061 Bluemont Way<br>
Reston, VA 20190<br>
<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#006aaa"><a href=3D"http://VerisignInc.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">VerisignInc.com</a></span><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div></div></div><div lang=3D"NL" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><div=
><div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Dec 4, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Pat Moroney &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:pmoroney@name.com" target=3D"_blank">pmoroney@name.com</a>&gt; w=
rote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</blockquote></div></div></div></div><div lang=3D"NL" link=3D"blue" vlink=
=3D"purple"><div><div><div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bot=
tom:5.0pt"><div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">James, <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The pragmatist version is of course favorable to me,=
 but the ability to ask for fees relating to multiple commands and/or phase=
s is incredibly useful. Without that ability we would still have to send mu=
ltiple commands since we also request
 the fees for renewals as well as registrations when we perform a check. Th=
is allows us to provide pricing for purchasing and give our customers an id=
ea of the renewal pricing that they will see next year. Multiple phases is =
also useful that way we can calculate
 the price for pre-registrations and pre-landrush while in the sunrise phas=
e with only one command.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">So removing the &lt;fee:objID&gt; objects and having=
 a &lt;fee:period&gt; and one or more &lt;fee:command&gt; and optionally ma=
ny &lt;fee:period&gt; elements that apply to the list of objects referenced=
 in the check command. The response format can stay the same.
 Would that be your pragmatic suggestion?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-Pat<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div lang=3D"NL" link=3D"blue" v=
link=3D"purple"><div><div><div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin=
-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 12:11 PM Gould, James &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:JGould@verisign.com" target=3D"_blank">JGould@verisign.com</=
a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div lang=3D"NL" link=3D"b=
lue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><div><div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;=
margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left=
:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-rig=
ht:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pat &amp; Roger,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Let me clarify from two different perspectives:<u></=
u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Idealist:=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The fee information really doesn=E2=80=99t follow th=
e semantics of a check, but follows the semantics of an info.=C2=A0 The che=
ck command is setup as a container of boolean checks of the existence or av=
ailability of something (domain, claim, contact
 identifier, etc.).=C2=A0 The info command provides the query information f=
or general information.=C2=A0 The fee extension is not asking for the exist=
ence or availability of something, but is asking for fee information given =
query inputs.=C2=A0 The query inputs may be invalid,
 so one of my questions is what should the server return for each of the in=
valid inputs (objID, objURI, objID, element, currency, command, and period)=
?=C2=A0 The check command should be simple and fast, where extending it wit=
h additional query or separate check
 information runs the risk of making it complex and slow.=C2=A0<u></u><u></=
u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pragmatist:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If a fee is needed for every domain check, then we n=
eed a mechanism to support fee information as an extension to check.=C2=A0 =
To keep it a true extension, the only elements needed in the &lt;fee:check&=
gt; element should be &lt;fee:currency&gt;, &lt;fee:command&gt;,
 and &lt;fee:period&gt; that apply across all of the check identifiers (&lt=
;domain:name&gt;) included under the check command (&lt;domain:check&gt;).=
=C2=A0 This would result in a check response including a &lt;fee:chkData&gt=
; element that matches what is currently defined in=C2=A0draft-brown-epp-fe=
es-06,
 except the &lt;fee:objID&gt; elements would always correspond to a respons=
e identifier (&lt;domain:name&gt;).=C2=A0 If there is invalid input provide=
d with &lt;fee:currency&gt;, &lt;fee:command&gt;, or &lt;fee:period&gt;, th=
e check command should fail with a specified EPP error code (my guess
 is 2306, since invalid input would be based on server policy). =C2=A0<u></=
u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m assuming that the pragmatist is favorabl=
e over the idealist, but the idealist in me has a real concern of overloadi=
ng the check command / response as a pattern to combine commands / response=
s. =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=E2=80=94</span><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u><u><=
/u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ver=
dana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">JG</span=
><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ver=
dana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><br>
<img border=3D"0" width=3D"73" height=3D"64" src=3D"cid:image001.png@01D130=
D7.7BCD9EB0"></span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calib=
ri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><br>
</span><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;=
,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#006aaa">James Gould<br>
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#6b6d71">Distinguished Engineer<br>
<a href=3D"http://jgould@verisign.com/" target=3D"_blank">jgould@Verisign.c=
om</a><br>
<br>
703-948-3271<br>
12061 Bluemont Way<br>
Reston, VA 20190<br>
<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#006aaa"><a href=3D"http://verisigninc.com/" tar=
get=3D"_blank">VerisignInc.com</a></span><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Dec 4, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Pat Moroney &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:pmoroney@name.com" target=3D"_blank">pmoroney@name.com</a>&gt; w=
rote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div lang=3D"=
NL" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><div><div><blockquote style=3D"marg=
in-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><blockquote style=3D"border:non=
e;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8=
pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin=
-bottom:5.0pt"><div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi all, <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have to agree with Roger. The vast majority of che=
ck commands that we send are triggered by a customer searching on our websi=
te. To create the search results we need both the availability and the fee =
information in order to calculate
 the pricing. We can currently get that with one check command, but if it i=
s split up our command volume will almost double.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-Pat<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div>=
</div></div></div><div lang=3D"NL" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><div=
><div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div>=
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0c=
m 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><blockquote s=
tyle=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 9:20 AM Roger D Carney &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:rcarney@godaddy.com" target=3D"_blank">rcarney@godaddy.com<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote>=
</div></div></div></div><div lang=3D"NL" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><di=
v><div><div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div=
><div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padd=
ing:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><blockq=
uote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><blockquote s=
tyle=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0=
pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Good Mo=
rning,</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Interes=
ting idea Jim. Though not completely disagreeing with your premise that the=
 check and fee have different purposes, let me play devil=E2=80=99s
 advocate here with some knowledge on the separate claims check in mind as =
well. Different individual purposes maybe but when looking at the varied da=
ta flow scenarios (how is this data used and presented to the end customer)=
, I believe most clients would see
 the purposes aligned well.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">I have =
heard from many people with the same question about claims: =E2=80=9CWhy do=
 we have to make two calls to see if a domain has a claim associated
 to it, can=E2=80=99t they just tell us in the check?=E2=80=9D</span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">I am gu=
essing the same question will come up if it is a separate call for fee info=
rmation as well. People may make the argument that the
 additional claims check is only needed for a specific period of time (exce=
pt for those doing indefinite claims). I think everyone would agree this sa=
me argument does not apply for fees and as we see more and more varied whol=
esale models I think an integrated
 call is more natural and becomes more necessary.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US=
"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Again, =
as these concepts align well from a flow perspective and as the probability=
 of expanding wholesaling models increases, I believe
 most clients would prefer (demand) one call over multiple calls.</span><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Thanks<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Roger</=
span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&=
quot;sans-serif&quot;">
 EppExt [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank=
">eppext-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gould, James<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 04, 2015 7:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gavin Brown<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:eppext@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">eppext@ietf=
.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [eppext] New Version Notification for draft-brown-epp-f=
ees-06.txt</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div>=
</blockquote></div></div></div></div><div lang=3D"NL" link=3D"blue" vlink=
=3D"purple"><div><div><div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bot=
tom:5.0pt"><div><div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cc=
cccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><d=
iv><div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><di=
v><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:=
0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Gavin,
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">In reviewing draft-brown-epp-fe=
es-06, I have the following feedback:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<ol start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">The fee check extension is really not a good fit for e=
xtension of the available check.=C2=A0 They have different purposes and the=
re is really no relationship between the two, where the availability check =
can include a completely different set
 of domain names from getting the fee extension.=C2=A0 My recommendation is=
 to separate the two and define the fee check as a new verb similar to the =
claims check in draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase.=C2=A0 Another option is trul=
y extend the object identifiers (e.g. domain:names)
 in the check command with a set of fee attributes to get the fee informati=
on for.=C2=A0 Have the extension only specify the command and the optional =
currency and fee that applies to all of the names in the availability check=
 command.=C2=A0 The response would include
 the same list of object identifiers in the extension, but it would be a on=
e-to-one relationship.=C2=A0 In this way there is no need for the =E2=80=9C=
objURI=E2=80=9D attribute, the &lt;fee:objID&gt; element, and &lt;fee:objID=
&gt; =E2=80=9Celement=E2=80=9D attribute in the check command, since the ob=
ject and
 identifying element is already defined by the availability check object th=
at is being extended. =C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">What should be returned when the client passes invalid=
 data in the check command for the the =E2=80=9CobjURI=E2=80=9D attribute (=
e.g. =E2=80=9Curn:made:up:uri=E2=80=9D), the &lt;fee:objID&gt; element (e.g=
. invalid domain name), the =E2=80=9Celement=E2=80=9D attribute of &lt;fee:=
objID&gt; (e.g. =E2=80=9Cmadeup=E2=80=9D),
 the &lt;fee:currency&gt; element (e.g. =E2=80=9CMUP=E2=80=9D), and the &lt=
;fee:period&gt; element (e.g. =E2=80=9C99&quot; when max is =E2=80=9C10=E2=
=80=9D)?=C2=A0 An invalid &lt;fee:command&gt; is covered by not returning t=
he fee information, but it=E2=80=99s unclear whether the server should retu=
rn an error or not return the fee
 information for other invalid data.=C2=A0 To follow the semantics of a che=
ck command and response, my recommendation is to add an =E2=80=9Cavail=E2=
=80=9D attribute to either &lt;fee:cd&gt; or &lt;fee:objID&gt; to explicitl=
y indicate that the fee information is available along with an optional
 &lt;fee:reason&gt; to indicate the reason that the fee information is not =
available.=C2=A0 The reason the fee information is not available for a part=
icular object could be due to the passing of invalid input in the check com=
mand &lt;fee:object&gt; element.=C2=A0 If you went with
 a single set of fee elements in the check command that is applied to all o=
f the object identifiers in the availability check, then an invalid fee ele=
ment could result in a failure of the check command itself instead of being=
 an error (e.g. not available) on
 a per domain basis. =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class=
=3D"MsoNormal">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Since the check response supports returning a =E2=80=
=9C0.00=E2=80=9D value to indicate no fee, doesn=E2=80=99t make sense to do=
 the same with all transform command responses? =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><=
u></u></span></li></ol>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote>=
</div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div lang=3D"NL" link=3D"b=
lue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><div><div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;=
margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left=
:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-rig=
ht:0cm"><div><div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt=
"><div><div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0p=
t;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><=
div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=E2=80=94</span><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"word-spacing:0px">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quo=
t;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;word-spacing:0px">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">JG</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><br>
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><br>
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times&quot;,&quot;se=
rif&quot;"><br>
</span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></=
div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><di=
v lang=3D"NL" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><div><div><blockquote sty=
le=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><blockquote style=3D"=
border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margi=
n-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.=
0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-=
left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin=
-right:0cm"><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-=
US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;;color:#006aaa">James Gould<br>
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#6b6d71">Distinguished Engine=
er<br>
<a href=3D"http://jgould@verisign.com/" target=3D"_blank">jgould@Verisign.c=
om</a><br>
<br>
703-948-3271<br>
12061 Bluemont Way<br>
Reston, VA 20190<br>
<br>
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Hel=
vetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#006aaa"><a href=3D"http://verisi=
gninc.com/" target=3D"_blank">VerisignInc.com</a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US=
" style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;">
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></di=
v></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></di=
v></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div lang=3D"NL" link=3D"blue" vlink=
=3D"purple"><div><div><div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bot=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">On Nov 4, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Gav=
in Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gavin.brown@centralnic.com" target=3D"_blank=
">gavin.brown@centralnic.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Changes from 05 to 06:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A01.=C2=A0 The specification is now object-agnostic, but works wi=
th RFC5731<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0[RFC5731] domains by default.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A02.=C2=A0 Renamed the &lt;fee:domain&gt; element to &lt;fee:obje=
ct&gt;.=C2=A0 Added the<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0&quot;objURI&quot; attribute.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A03.=C2=A0 Removed the default value for the &quot;refundable&quo=
t; attribute of<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0&lt;fee:fee&gt; elements, and added tex=
t about how clients should<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0handle such cases.=C2=A0 Added similar =
text to the documentation of<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0the &quot;grace-period&quot; attribute.=
<br>
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A04.=C2=A0 Removed references to the defunct &lt;info&gt; command=
 syntax.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A05. =C2=A0&quot;MUST&quot; requirements regarding documentation =
have been changed to<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0&quot;must&quot;.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A06.=C2=A0 Created separate &quot;Correlation between Refundabili=
ty and Grace<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Periods&quot; section describing how th=
e &quot;refundable&quot; and &quot;grace-<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0period&quot; attributes work together.<=
br>
<br>
Feedback welcome as always!<br>
<br>
-------- Forwarded Message --------<br>
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt<br>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 14:52:30 -0800<br>
From: <a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">interne=
t-drafts@ietf.org</a><br>
To: Gavin Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gavin.brown@centralnic.com" target=3D=
"_blank">gavin.brown@centralnic.com</a>&gt;, Jothan Frakes<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jothan@jothan.com" target=3D"_blank">jothan@jothan.co=
m</a>&gt;<br>
<br>
<br>
A new version of I-D, draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt<br>
has been successfully submitted by Gavin Brown and posted to the<br>
IETF repository.<br>
<br>
Name: draft-brown-epp-fees<br>
Revision: 06<br>
Title: Registry Fee Extension for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol<br>
(EPP)<br>
Document date: 2015-11-04<br>
Group: Individual Submission<br>
Pages: 36<br>
URL:<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt=
" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-brown-epp-fe=
es-06.txt</a><br>
Status: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://=
datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brown-epp-fees/" target=3D"_blank">https://d=
atatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brown-epp-fees/</a><br>
Htmlized: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf=
.org/html/draft-brown-epp-fees-06" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org=
/html/draft-brown-epp-fees-06</a><br>
Diff: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<a href=
=3D"https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-brown-epp-fees-06" target=3D"=
_blank">https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-brown-epp-fees-06</a><br>
<br>
Abstract:<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0This document describes an Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EP=
P)<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0extension mapping for registry fees.<br>
<br>
<br>
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n<br>
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tools.ietf.org</a>.<br>
<br>
The IETF Secretariat<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Gavin Brown<br>
Chief Technology Officer<br>
CentralNic Group plc (LSE:CNIC)<br>
Innovative, Reliable and Flexible Registry Services<br>
for ccTLD, gTLD and private domain name registries<br>
<a href=3D"https://www.centralnic.com/" target=3D"_blank">https://www.centr=
alnic.com/</a><br>
<br>
CentralNic Group plc is a company registered in England and Wales with<br>
company number 8576358. Registered Offices: 35-39 Moorgate, London,<br>
EC2R 6AR.<br>
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Op 7 dec. 2015, om 04:36 heeft Linlin Zhou <zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn> het =
volgende geschreven:

> I agree that the WG needs a milestone and schedule, since we do not =
have so
> much time to work on these existing documents in parallel. In my =
opinion,
> the logical working process of a draft is that first calling for WG
> adoption, approved by WG (discussed and supported on the mailing list =
or at
> the f2f meeting), included in the milestone, etc.. I believe that all =
the
> document should follow the clear working path. If a document has =
opposed
> comments, whether or not we should discuss the technical stuff first =
and
> pend the document included in the charter. The nv draft as a single
> informational document, which is related to some Chinese local =
policies, I
> still do not see a clarified consensus on it. Shall we discuss if the
> document is qualified to be a WG document?

OK, so I already heard we want to remove the relay draft from the list =
of milestones.
That leaves us with a list of 9 documents for WG adoption.
You specifically want to hear a voice of adoption for the informational =
nv-mapping draft.
What does the WG think of this document?
Should we adopt it now, or remove it from the list of milestones and =
possibly add it later as a WG item?

> For the priority issue, I think the document with most discussion and
> support should be listed in the first priority. The verification =
drafts were
> proposed before last IETF, there's still no thorough discussion about =
them
> on the mailing list. It is somewhat a hurry to complete 3 drafts WGLC =
in a
> period of time less than one month. Moreover, most of the WG members =
will
> have a Christmas holiday, I guess. Though we don't have such a long =
holiday
> in China :)

So what do you propose here?
Should we prioritize the reseller draft since it had more review over =
the verification draft(s)?
So put reseller in group 1 and verification in group 2?
What does te WG think of this proposal?

> Again, I feel obliged to discuss more about the technical issues on =
existing
> drafts. Let's move this recharter work and take action on drafts as =
soon as
> possible.

I also want to speed up the technical discussion as we have enough work =
to do.
So let=92s get this charter discussion out of our way and create a list =
of milestones so we know what work lies ahead.

Regards,

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Antoin,

My feedback is below.


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On Dec 8, 2015, at 5:01 AM, Antoin Verschuren <ietf@antoin.nl<mailto:ietf@a=
ntoin.nl>> wrote:

Op 7 dec. 2015, om 04:36 heeft Linlin Zhou <zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn<mailto:zhou=
linlin@cnnic.cn>> het volgende geschreven:

I agree that the WG needs a milestone and schedule, since we do not have so
much time to work on these existing documents in parallel. In my opinion,
the logical working process of a draft is that first calling for WG
adoption, approved by WG (discussed and supported on the mailing list or at
the f2f meeting), included in the milestone, etc.. I believe that all the
document should follow the clear working path. If a document has opposed
comments, whether or not we should discuss the technical stuff first and
pend the document included in the charter. The nv draft as a single
informational document, which is related to some Chinese local policies, I
still do not see a clarified consensus on it. Shall we discuss if the
document is qualified to be a WG document?

OK, so I already heard we want to remove the relay draft from the list of m=
ilestones.
That leaves us with a list of 9 documents for WG adoption.
You specifically want to hear a voice of adoption for the informational nv-=
mapping draft.
What does the WG think of this document?
Should we adopt it now, or remove it from the list of milestones and possib=
ly add it later as a WG item?

For the priority issue, I think the document with most discussion and
support should be listed in the first priority. The verification drafts wer=
e
proposed before last IETF, there's still no thorough discussion about them
on the mailing list. It is somewhat a hurry to complete 3 drafts WGLC in a
period of time less than one month. Moreover, most of the WG members will
have a Christmas holiday, I guess. Though we don't have such a long holiday
in China :)

So what do you propose here?
Should we prioritize the reseller draft since it had more review over the v=
erification draft(s)?
So put reseller in group 1 and verification in group 2?
What does te WG think of this proposal?


Your proposal looks reasonable; although I recommend moving fees up to Grou=
p 1, moving the verification code and nv mapping drafts to group 2, and mov=
ing the allocation token and change poll drafts to group 3.  If there was b=
andwidth to move reseller up to Group 1 and change poll up to Group 2, that=
 works for me.  There may be one small overlap between verification and res=
eller that we may want to consider.  My proposed groupings are below.

Group 1

-epp-rdap mapping (draft-gould-epp-rdap-status-mapping)
-fees (draft-brown-epp-fees)

Group 2

-reseller (draft-zhou-eppext-reseller and draft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mappin=
g)
-verification (draft-gould-eppext-verificationcode and draft-xie-eppext-nv-=
mapping)

Group 3

-change poll (draft-gould-change-poll)
-allocation token (draft-gould-allocation-token)
-bundling (draft-kong-eppext-bundling-registration)

Group 4

-IDN Table Mapping (draft-ietf-eppext-idnmap and draft-gould-idn-table and =
draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext)
-Relay (no draft yet, split from keyrelay)




Again, I feel obliged to discuss more about the technical issues on existin=
g
drafts. Let's move this recharter work and take action on drafts as soon as
possible.

I also want to speed up the technical discussion as we have enough work to =
do.
So let=92s get this charter discussion out of our way and create a list of =
milestones so we know what work lies ahead.

Regards,

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So what do you propose here?<br class=3D"">
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erification draft(s)?<br class=3D"">
So put reseller in group 1 and verification in group 2?<br class=3D"">
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<div>Your proposal looks reasonable; although I recommend moving fees up to=
 Group 1, moving the verification code and nv mapping drafts to group 2, an=
d moving the allocation token and change poll drafts to group 3. &nbsp;If t=
here was bandwidth to move reseller up
 to Group 1 and change poll up to Group 2, that works for me. &nbsp;There m=
ay be one small overlap between verification and reseller that we may want =
to consider. &nbsp;My proposed groupings are below.&nbsp;</div>
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Group 2<br class=3D"">
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> =D4=DA 2015=C4=EA12=D4=C27=C8=D5=A3=AC11:36=A3=ACLinlin Zhou =
<zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn> =D0=B4=B5=C0=A3=BA
>=20
> Dear chair,
> Thanks for your work to propose the discussion.
>=20
> I agree that the WG needs a milestone and schedule, since we do not =
have so
> much time to work on these existing documents in parallel. In my =
opinion,
> the logical working process of a draft is that first calling for WG
> adoption, approved by WG (discussed and supported on the mailing list =
or at
> the f2f meeting), included in the milestone, etc.. I believe that all =
the
> document should follow the clear working path. If a document has =
opposed
> comments, whether or not we should discuss the technical stuff first =
and
> pend the document included in the charter. The nv draft as a single
> informational document, which is related to some Chinese local =
policies, I
> still do not see a clarified consensus on it. Shall we discuss if the
> document is qualified to be a WG document?


Linlin,

I quite agree with you, speaking as a technical guy from Chinese DNS =
industry.

Since the nv draft bears relevances to the local policies in China and =
is intended to be Informational, thorough discussions are indispensable =
to see whether it is qualified to be a WG item.

It=A1=AFs unwise to jump into the decision of putting nv draft in =
milestone and to-do list.


Di Ma

ZDNS

http://en.zdns.cn



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Hey James,

That complex version meets all of my criteria and I would not be opposed to
its inclusion in the draft.

Thanks again,
-Pat

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:57 PM Gould, James <JGould@verisign.com> wrote:

> Pat,
>
> How about if the check command extension and the check command response
> extension were true extensions of the check command and followed the
> semantics of a check, meaning a successful response is expected and each
> object (domain) returns an availability attribute.  In the case of the fe=
e
> extension the =E2=80=9Cavail=E2=80=9D attribute would indicate whether th=
e fee information
> is available for the object (domain) and if not a reason is provided.  I
> provide two different examples of a check command and response extension.
>  The first example is the simpler form, where in the use case that you
> describe you would need to invoke the domain check 4 times to get the
> information that you want during sunrise, but the check command a respons=
e
> would meet the =E2=80=9Csimple=E2=80=9D criteria.  I=E2=80=99m assuming t=
hat you prefer the more
> complex option, since it would require a single check command and respons=
e
> to get the information that you need.
>
> Simple check command and response extension - Uses a single currency,
> command, and period for all objects (domains) in the check command:
>
> C: <?xml version=3D"1.0" encoding=3D"utf-8" standalone=3D"no"?>
> C: <epp xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:epp-1.0">
> C:   <command>
> C:     <check>
> C:       <domain:check
> C:         xmlns:domain=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0">
> C:         <domain:name>domain.example</domain:name>
> C:         <domain:name>reserved.example</domain:name>
> C:       </domain:check>
> C:     </check>
> C:     <extension>
> C:       <fee:check
> C:         xmlns:fee=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:fee-0.9">
> C:         <fee:currency>USD</fee:currency>
> C:         <fee:command phase=3D"sunrise">create</fee:command>
> C:         <fee:period unit=3D"y">1</fee:period>
> C:       </fee:check>
> C:     </extension>
> C:     <clTRID>ABC-12345</clTRID>
> C:   </command>
> C: </epp>
>
>
> S: <?xml version=3D"1.0" encoding=3D"utf-8" standalone=3D"no"?>
> S: <epp xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:epp-1.0">
> S:   <response>
> S:     <result code=3D"1000">
> S:       <msg>Command completed successfully</msg>
> S:     </result>
> S:     <resData>
> S:       <domain:chkData
> S:         xmlns:domain=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0">
> S:         <domain:cd>
> S:           <domain:name avail=3D"1">domain.example</domain:name>
> S:         </domain:cd>
> S:         <domain:cd>
> S:           <domain:name avail=3D"0">reserved.example</domain:name>
> S:           <domain:reason>Reserved domain</domain:reason>
> S:         </domain:cd>
> S:       </domain:chkData>
> S:     </resData>
> S:     <extension>
> S:       <fee:chkData
> S:         xmlns:fee=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:fee-0.9">
> S:         <fee:currency>USD</fee:currency>
> S:         <fee:command phase=3D"sunrise">create</fee:command>
> S:         <fee:period unit=3D"y">1</fee:period>
> S:         <fee:cd avail=3D"1">
> S:           <fee:objID>domain.example</fee:objID>
> S:           <fee:fee description=3D"Application Fee"
> S:             refundable=3D"0">5.00</fee:fee>
> S:           <fee:fee description=3D"Registration Fee"
> S:             refundable=3D"1"
> S:             grace-period=3D"P5D">5.00</fee:fee>
> S:         </fee:cd>
> S:         <fee:cd avail=3D"0">
> S:           <fee:objID>reserved.example</fee:objID>
> S:           <fee:reason>Reserved domain</fee:currency>
> S:         </fee:cd>
> S:       </fee:chkData>
> S:     </extension>
> S:     <trID>
> S:       <clTRID>ABC-12345</clTRID>
> S:       <svTRID>54322-XYZ</svTRID>
> S:     </trID>
> S:   </response>
> S: </epp>
>
>
> More complex check command and response extension that enables getting th=
e
> fee information for a list of commands and period settings for the object=
s
> (domains) in the check command.  The default period for the command could
> be set to 1 year, but it can be specified using the <fee:period>
> child-element of the <fee:command> element.  I believe server policy woul=
d
> need to define the maximum number of commands supported, similar to
> defining the maximum number of domains in a domain check command.  I
> included your use case for a domain name in sunrise:
>
> C: <?xml version=3D"1.0" encoding=3D"utf-8" standalone=3D"no"?>
> C: <epp xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:epp-1.0">
> C:   <command>
> C:     <check>
> C:       <domain:check
> C:         xmlns:domain=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0">
> C:         <domain:name>domain.example</domain:name>
> C:         <domain:name>reserved.example</domain:name>
> C:       </domain:check>
> C:     </check>
> C:     <extension>
> C:       <fee:check
> C:         xmlns:fee=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:fee-0.9">
> C:         <fee:currency>USD</fee:currency>
> C:         <fee:command name=3D"create"/>
> C:         <fee:command phase=3D"open" name=3D"renew">
> C:           <fee:period unit=3D"y">1</fee:period>
> C:         </fee:command>
> C:         <fee:command phase=3D"open" name=3D"create"/>
> C:         <fee:command phase=3D"claims" subphase=3D"landrush" name=3D"cr=
eate"/>
> C:         </fee:command>
> C:       </fee:check>
> C:     </extension>
> C:     <clTRID>ABC-12345</clTRID>
> C:   </command>
> C: </epp>
>
>
> S: <?xml version=3D"1.0" encoding=3D"utf-8" standalone=3D"no"?>
> S: <epp xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:epp-1.0">
> S:   <response>
> S:     <result code=3D"1000">
> S:       <msg>Command completed successfully</msg>
> S:     </result>
> S:     <resData>
> S:       <domain:chkData
> S:         xmlns:domain=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:domain-1.0">
> S:         <domain:cd>
> S:           <domain:name avail=3D"1">domain.example</domain:name>
> S:         </domain:cd>
> S:         <domain:cd>
> S:           <domain:name avail=3D"0">reserved.example</domain:name>
> S:           <domain:reason>Reserved domain</domain:reason>
> S:         </domain:cd>
> S:       </domain:chkData>
> S:     </resData>
> S:     <extension>
> S:       <fee:chkData
> S:         xmlns:fee=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:fee-0.9">
> S:         <fee:currency>USD</fee:currency>
> S:         <fee:cd avail=3D"1">
> S:           <fee:objID>domain.example</fee:objID>
> S:           <fee:command phase=3D"sunrise" name=3D"create">
> S:             <fee:period unit=3D"y">1</fee:period>
> S:             <fee:fee description=3D"Application Fee"
> S:               refundable=3D"0">5.00</fee:fee>
> S:             <fee:fee description=3D"Registration Fee"
> S:               refundable=3D"1"
> S:               grace-period=3D"P5D">5.00</fee:fee>
> S:           </fee:command>
> S:           <fee:command phase=3D"open" name=3D"renew">
> S:             <fee:period unit=3D"y">1</fee:period>
> S:             <fee:fee description=3D"Renewal Fee"
> S:               refundable=3D"1"
> S:               grace-period=3D"P5D">5.00</fee:fee>
> S:           </fee:command>
> S:           <fee:command phase=3D"open" name=3D"create">
> S:             <fee:period unit=3D"y">1</fee:period>
> S:             <fee:fee description=3D"Registration Fee"
> S:               refundable=3D"1"
> S:               grace-period=3D"P5D">5.00</fee:fee>
> S:           </fee:command>
> S:           <fee:command phase=3D"claims" subphase=3D"landrush" name=3D"=
create">
> S:             <fee:period unit=3D"y">1</fee:period>
> S:             <fee:fee description=3D"Registration Fee"
> S:               refundable=3D"1"
> S:               grace-period=3D"P5D">10.00</fee:fee>
> S:           </fee:command>
> S:         </fee:cd>
> S:         <fee:cd avail=3D"0">
> S:           <fee:objID>reserved.example</fee:objID>
> S:           <fee:reason>Reserved domain</fee:currency>
> S:         </fee:cd>
> S:       </fee:chkData>
> S:     </extension>
> S:     <trID>
> S:       <clTRID>ABC-12345</clTRID>
> S:       <svTRID>54322-XYZ</svTRID>
> S:     </trID>
> S:   </response>
> S: </epp>
>
>
>
>
> =E2=80=94
>
>
> JG
>
>
>
>
>
> *James Gould *Distinguished Engineer
> jgould@Verisign.com
>
> 703-948-3271
> 12061 Bluemont Way
> Reston, VA 20190
>
> VerisignInc.com
>
> On Dec 7, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Pat Moroney <pmoroney@name.com> wrote:
>
> James, Marc,
>
> Currently for our check commands sent for searches, this is what we
> request for fees:
> create command for 1 year in the current phase
> renew command for 1 year in the GA phase
> create command for 1 year in the GA phase if the current phase is sunrise
> or landrush.
> create command for 1 year in the landrush phase if the current phase is
> sunrise.
>
> We never request a fee for a domain that is not included in the check
> command.
>
> We do this because we calculate prices for each of these in our search
> results. Removing the ability to get this data in a check response will
> require us to perform multiple commands for searches, which will always b=
e
> slower then performing a single command that gets the same information.
>
> The check command is the only command that operates on non-existent
> objects. Combining that with the fact that the check command can return
> the availability of multiple domains in a single command makes it better
> suited to return data that is necessary for search results.
> Modifying the info command to respond without an error when an object doe=
s
> not exist upsets the idealist in me more then returning more information =
in
> the check command. Also the idea of sending additional multiple millions
> of info commands per day upsets the pragmatic in me.
>
> Performing a fee check on a domain that does not exist happens a couple o=
f
> orders of magnitude more times then performing a fee check on a domain th=
at
> exists. That is why removing the extension from the info command wasn't a
> big deal.
> In our case, performing an availability check without performing these fe=
e
> checks never happens, so removing the extension from the check command
> would be a big deal.
>
> Thanks,
> -Pat
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 2:13 AM Marc Groeneweg <Marc.Groeneweg@sidn.nl>
> wrote:
>
>> Pat, James, etal.,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have to agree with James on this one. Shouldn=E2=80=99t we create a si=
mple
>> check for checking availability of a domain name (as supposed) extended
>> with the current fee (given the period the registry/domain phase is in).
>> And extend the info command with more complex fee information. The
>> perceived response time for a check command is very, very small =E2=80=
=98cause its
>> such a small, and powerful command.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* EppExt [mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Gould,
>> James
>> *Sent:* vrijdag 4 december 2015 23:55
>> *To:* Pat Moroney
>> *Cc:* Roger D Carney; eppext@ietf.org
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [eppext] New Version Notification for
>> draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt
>>
>>
>>
>> Pat,
>>
>>
>>
>> You don=E2=80=99t have an issue with applying a common list of commands =
and
>> periods across the list of objects in the check command?  Was your plan
>> with draft-brown-epp-fees-06 to include multiple <fee:object> elements w=
ith
>> the same <fee:objID> value, but with different <fee:command> and
>> <fee:period> values to obtain a fee table or a set of fees for a domain?
>> My main concern is overloading the use of the check command for somethin=
g
>> that looks and feels like a query (info) interface.  It just feels odd t=
o
>> leverage the extended check command to get fee information for existing
>> domain names.  My idealist side is really starting to get concerned with
>> the mixing of the availability check with a fee query service.  It would=
 be
>> best to keep the check simple and provide for a limited set of fee
>> information (one command and period along with the domain availability) =
as
>> a true extension of the availability check to quickly provide the
>> availability and create fee for each available object or provide a fee
>> table for each available object (billable commands and fees by period
>> ranges).  A more powerful query interface could be provided to support m=
ore
>> elaborate searches, which is best with the info command and response tha=
t
>> was removed in draft-brown-epp-fees-05.  I realize that it is preferred =
for
>> everything to be provided in a single command and response, but the spee=
d
>> and simplicity of the check is really being put at risk.
>>
>>
>>
>> =E2=80=94
>>
>>
>>
>> JG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *James Gould *Distinguished Engineer
>> jgould@Verisign.com <http://jgould@verisign.com/>
>>
>> 703-948-3271
>> 12061 Bluemont Way
>> Reston, VA 20190
>>
>> VerisignInc.com <http://verisigninc.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Pat Moroney <pmoroney@name.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> James,
>>
>>
>>
>> The pragmatist version is of course favorable to me, but the ability to
>> ask for fees relating to multiple commands and/or phases is incredibly
>> useful. Without that ability we would still have to send multiple comman=
ds
>> since we also request the fees for renewals as well as registrations whe=
n
>> we perform a check. This allows us to provide pricing for purchasing and
>> give our customers an idea of the renewal pricing that they will see nex=
t
>> year. Multiple phases is also useful that way we can calculate the price
>> for pre-registrations and pre-landrush while in the sunrise phase with o=
nly
>> one command.
>>
>>
>>
>> So removing the <fee:objID> objects and having a <fee:period> and one or
>> more <fee:command> and optionally many <fee:period> elements that apply =
to
>> the list of objects referenced in the check command. The response format
>> can stay the same. Would that be your pragmatic suggestion?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Pat
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 12:11 PM Gould, James <JGould@verisign.com> wrote=
:
>>
>> Pat & Roger,
>>
>>
>>
>> Let me clarify from two different perspectives:
>>
>>
>>
>> Idealist:
>>
>> The fee information really doesn=E2=80=99t follow the semantics of a che=
ck, but
>> follows the semantics of an info.  The check command is setup as a
>> container of boolean checks of the existence or availability of somethin=
g
>> (domain, claim, contact identifier, etc.).  The info command provides th=
e
>> query information for general information.  The fee extension is not ask=
ing
>> for the existence or availability of something, but is asking for fee
>> information given query inputs.  The query inputs may be invalid, so one=
 of
>> my questions is what should the server return for each of the invalid
>> inputs (objID, objURI, objID, element, currency, command, and period)?  =
The
>> check command should be simple and fast, where extending it with additio=
nal
>> query or separate check information runs the risk of making it complex a=
nd
>> slow.
>>
>>
>>
>> Pragmatist:
>>
>> If a fee is needed for every domain check, then we need a mechanism to
>> support fee information as an extension to check.  To keep it a true
>> extension, the only elements needed in the <fee:check> element should be
>> <fee:currency>, <fee:command>, and <fee:period> that apply across all of
>> the check identifiers (<domain:name>) included under the check command
>> (<domain:check>).  This would result in a check response including a
>> <fee:chkData> element that matches what is currently defined
>> in draft-brown-epp-fees-06, except the <fee:objID> elements would always
>> correspond to a response identifier (<domain:name>).  If there is invali=
d
>> input provided with <fee:currency>, <fee:command>, or <fee:period>, the
>> check command should fail with a specified EPP error code (my guess is
>> 2306, since invalid input would be based on server policy).
>>
>>
>>
>> I=E2=80=99m assuming that the pragmatist is favorable over the idealist,=
 but the
>> idealist in me has a real concern of overloading the check command /
>> response as a pattern to combine commands / responses.
>>
>>
>>
>> =E2=80=94
>>
>>
>>
>> JG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *James Gould *Distinguished Engineer
>> jgould@Verisign.com <http://jgould@verisign.com/>
>>
>> 703-948-3271
>> 12061 Bluemont Way
>> Reston, VA 20190
>>
>> VerisignInc.com <http://verisigninc.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Pat Moroney <pmoroney@name.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have to agree with Roger. The vast majority of check commands that we
>> send are triggered by a customer searching on our website. To create the
>> search results we need both the availability and the fee information in
>> order to calculate the pricing. We can currently get that with one check
>> command, but if it is split up our command volume will almost double.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Pat
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 9:20 AM Roger D Carney <rcarney@godaddy.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Good Morning,
>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting idea Jim. Though not completely disagreeing with your premis=
e
>> that the check and fee have different purposes, let me play devil=E2=80=
=99s
>> advocate here with some knowledge on the separate claims check in mind a=
s
>> well. Different individual purposes maybe but when looking at the varied
>> data flow scenarios (how is this data used and presented to the end
>> customer), I believe most clients would see the purposes aligned well.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have heard from many people with the same question about claims: =E2=
=80=9CWhy
>> do we have to make two calls to see if a domain has a claim associated t=
o
>> it, can=E2=80=99t they just tell us in the check?=E2=80=9D
>>
>>
>>
>> I am guessing the same question will come up if it is a separate call fo=
r
>> fee information as well. People may make the argument that the additiona=
l
>> claims check is only needed for a specific period of time (except for th=
ose
>> doing indefinite claims). I think everyone would agree this same argumen=
t
>> does not apply for fees and as we see more and more varied wholesale mod=
els
>> I think an integrated call is more natural and becomes more necessary.
>>
>>
>>
>> Again, as these concepts align well from a flow perspective and as the
>> probability of expanding wholesaling models increases, I believe most
>> clients would prefer (demand) one call over multiple calls.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* EppExt [mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Gould,
>> James
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 04, 2015 7:37 AM
>> *To:* Gavin Brown
>> *Cc:* eppext@ietf.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [eppext] New Version Notification for
>> draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt
>>
>>
>>
>> Gavin,
>>
>>
>>
>> In reviewing draft-brown-epp-fees-06, I have the following feedback:
>>
>>
>>
>>    1. The fee check extension is really not a good fit for extension of
>>    the available check.  They have different purposes and there is reall=
y no
>>    relationship between the two, where the availability check can includ=
e a
>>    completely different set of domain names from getting the fee extensi=
on.
>>    My recommendation is to separate the two and define the fee check as =
a new
>>    verb similar to the claims check in draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase.  A=
nother
>>    option is truly extend the object identifiers (e.g. domain:names) in =
the
>>    check command with a set of fee attributes to get the fee information=
 for.
>>    Have the extension only specify the command and the optional currency=
 and
>>    fee that applies to all of the names in the availability check comman=
d.
>>    The response would include the same list of object identifiers in the
>>    extension, but it would be a one-to-one relationship.  In this way th=
ere is
>>    no need for the =E2=80=9CobjURI=E2=80=9D attribute, the <fee:objID> e=
lement, and
>>    <fee:objID> =E2=80=9Celement=E2=80=9D attribute in the check command,=
 since the object and
>>    identifying element is already defined by the availability check obje=
ct
>>    that is being extended.
>>    2. What should be returned when the client passes invalid data in the
>>    check command for the the =E2=80=9CobjURI=E2=80=9D attribute (e.g. =
=E2=80=9Curn:made:up:uri=E2=80=9D), the
>>    <fee:objID> element (e.g. invalid domain name), the =E2=80=9Celement=
=E2=80=9D attribute of
>>    <fee:objID> (e.g. =E2=80=9Cmadeup=E2=80=9D), the <fee:currency> eleme=
nt (e.g. =E2=80=9CMUP=E2=80=9D), and
>>    the <fee:period> element (e.g. =E2=80=9C99" when max is =E2=80=9C10=
=E2=80=9D)?  An invalid
>>    <fee:command> is covered by not returning the fee information, but it=
=E2=80=99s
>>    unclear whether the server should return an error or not return the f=
ee
>>    information for other invalid data.  To follow the semantics of a che=
ck
>>    command and response, my recommendation is to add an =E2=80=9Cavail=
=E2=80=9D attribute to
>>    either <fee:cd> or <fee:objID> to explicitly indicate that the fee
>>    information is available along with an optional <fee:reason> to indic=
ate
>>    the reason that the fee information is not available.  The reason the=
 fee
>>    information is not available for a particular object could be due to =
the
>>    passing of invalid input in the check command <fee:object> element.  =
If you
>>    went with a single set of fee elements in the check command that is a=
pplied
>>    to all of the object identifiers in the availability check, then an i=
nvalid
>>    fee element could result in a failure of the check command itself ins=
tead
>>    of being an error (e.g. not available) on a per domain basis.
>>    3. Since the check response supports returning a =E2=80=9C0.00=E2=80=
=9D value to
>>    indicate no fee, doesn=E2=80=99t make sense to do the same with all t=
ransform
>>    command responses?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> =E2=80=94
>>
>>
>>
>> JG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *James Gould *Distinguished Engineer
>> jgould@Verisign.com <http://jgould@verisign.com/>
>>
>> 703-948-3271
>> 12061 Bluemont Way
>> Reston, VA 20190
>>
>> VerisignInc.com <http://verisigninc.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 4, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Gavin Brown <gavin.brown@centralnic.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Changes from 05 to 06:
>>
>>   1.  The specification is now object-agnostic, but works with RFC5731
>>       [RFC5731] domains by default.
>>
>>   2.  Renamed the <fee:domain> element to <fee:object>.  Added the
>>       "objURI" attribute.
>>
>>   3.  Removed the default value for the "refundable" attribute of
>>       <fee:fee> elements, and added text about how clients should
>>       handle such cases.  Added similar text to the documentation of
>>       the "grace-period" attribute.
>>
>>   4.  Removed references to the defunct <info> command syntax.
>>
>>   5.  "MUST" requirements regarding documentation have been changed to
>>       "must".
>>
>>   6.  Created separate "Correlation between Refundability and Grace
>>       Periods" section describing how the "refundable" and "grace-
>>       period" attributes work together.
>>
>> Feedback welcome as always!
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt
>> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 14:52:30 -0800
>> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org
>> To: Gavin Brown <gavin.brown@centralnic.com>, Jothan Frakes
>> <jothan@jothan.com>
>>
>>
>> A new version of I-D, draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt
>> has been successfully submitted by Gavin Brown and posted to the
>> IETF repository.
>>
>> Name: draft-brown-epp-fees
>> Revision: 06
>> Title: Registry Fee Extension for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol
>> (EPP)
>> Document date: 2015-11-04
>> Group: Individual Submission
>> Pages: 36
>> URL:
>> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt
>> Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brown-epp-fees/
>> Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brown-epp-fees-06
>> Diff:           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-brown-epp-fees=
-06
>>
>> Abstract:
>>   This document describes an Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP)
>>   extension mapping for registry fees.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
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>>
>> --
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>> Chief Technology Officer
>> CentralNic Group plc (LSE:CNIC)
>> Innovative, Reliable and Flexible Registry Services
>> for ccTLD, gTLD and private domain name registries
>> https://www.centralnic.com/
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hey James,<div><br></div><div>That complex version meets a=
ll of my criteria and I would not be opposed to its inclusion in the draft.=
</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks again,</div><div>-Pat</div></div><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:57 PM Gould=
, James &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:JGould@verisign.com">JGould@verisign.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">



<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
Pat,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>How about if the check command extension and the check command respons=
e extension were true extensions of the check command and followed the sema=
ntics of a check, meaning a successful response is expected and each object=
 (domain) returns an availability
 attribute.=C2=A0 In the case of the fee extension the =E2=80=9Cavail=E2=80=
=9D attribute would indicate whether the fee information is available for t=
he object (domain) and if not a reason is provided.=C2=A0 I provide two dif=
ferent examples of a check command and response extension.
 =C2=A0The first example is the simpler form, where in the use case that yo=
u describe you would need to invoke the domain check 4 times to get the inf=
ormation that you want during sunrise, but the check command a response wou=
ld meet the =E2=80=9Csimple=E2=80=9D criteria.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m assuming
 that you prefer the more complex option, since it would require a single c=
heck command and response to get the information that you need. =C2=A0</div=
>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Simple check command and response extension - Uses a single currency, =
command, and period for all objects (domains) in the check command:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>C: &lt;?xml version=3D&quot;1.0&quot; encoding=3D&quot;utf-8&quot; sta=
ndalone=3D&quot;no&quot;?&gt;</div>
<div>C: &lt;epp xmlns=3D&quot;urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:epp-1.0&quot;&gt;</div=
>
<div>C: =C2=A0 &lt;command&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;check&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;domain:check</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 xmlns:domain=3D&quot;urn:ietf:params:xm=
l:ns:domain-1.0&quot;&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;domain:name&gt;domain.example&lt;/d=
omain:name&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;domain:name&gt;reserved.example&lt;=
/domain:name&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/domain:check&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/check&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;extension&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:check</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 xmlns:fee=3D&quot;urn:ietf:params:xml:n=
s:fee-0.9&quot;&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:currency&gt;USD&lt;/fee:currenc=
y&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:command phase=3D&quot;sunrise&q=
uot;&gt;create&lt;/fee:command&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:period unit=3D&quot;y&quot;&gt;=
1&lt;/fee:period&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/fee:check&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/extension&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;clTRID&gt;ABC-12345&lt;/clTRID&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 &lt;/command&gt;</div>
<div>C: &lt;/epp&gt;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>S: &lt;?xml version=3D&quot;1.0&quot; encoding=3D&quot;utf-8&quot; sta=
ndalone=3D&quot;no&quot;?&gt;</div>
<div>S: &lt;epp xmlns=3D&quot;urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:epp-1.0&quot;&gt;</div=
>
<div>S: =C2=A0 &lt;response&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;result code=3D&quot;1000&quot;&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;msg&gt;Command completed successfully&lt;/=
msg&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/result&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;resData&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;domain:chkData</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 xmlns:domain=3D&quot;urn:ietf:params:xm=
l:ns:domain-1.0&quot;&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;domain:cd&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;domain:name avail=3D&quot;1&=
quot;&gt;domain.example&lt;/domain:name&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/domain:cd&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;domain:cd&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;domain:name avail=3D&quot;0&=
quot;&gt;reserved.example&lt;/domain:name&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;domain:reason&gt;Reserved do=
main&lt;/domain:reason&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/domain:cd&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/domain:chkData&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/resData&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;extension&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:chkData</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 xmlns:fee=3D&quot;urn:ietf:params:xml:n=
s:fee-0.9&quot;&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:currency&gt;USD&lt;/fee:currenc=
y&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:command phase=3D&quot;sunrise&q=
uot;&gt;create&lt;/fee:command&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:period unit=3D&quot;y&quot;&gt;=
1&lt;/fee:period&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:cd avail=3D&quot;1&quot;&gt;</d=
iv>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:objID&gt;domain.example&=
lt;/fee:objID&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:fee description=3D&quot;=
Application Fee&quot;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 refundable=3D&quot;0&quot=
;&gt;5.00&lt;/fee:fee&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:fee description=3D&quot;=
Registration Fee&quot;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 refundable=3D&quot;1&quot=
;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 grace-period=3D&quot;P5D&=
quot;&gt;5.00&lt;/fee:fee&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/fee:cd&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:cd avail=3D&quot;0&quot;&gt;</d=
iv>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:objID&gt;reserved.exampl=
e&lt;/fee:objID&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:reason&gt;Reserved domai=
n&lt;/fee:currency&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/fee:cd&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/fee:chkData&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/extension&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;trID&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;clTRID&gt;ABC-12345&lt;/clTRID&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;svTRID&gt;54322-XYZ&lt;/svTRID&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/trID&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 &lt;/response&gt;</div>
<div>S: &lt;/epp&gt;</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>More complex check command and response extension that enables getting=
 the fee information for a list of commands and period settings for the obj=
ects (domains) in the check command.=C2=A0 The default period for the comma=
nd could be set to 1 year, but
 it can be specified using the &lt;fee:period&gt; child-element of the &lt;=
fee:command&gt; element.=C2=A0 I believe server policy would need to define=
 the maximum number of commands supported, similar to defining the maximum =
number of domains in a domain check command.=C2=A0 I included
 your use case for a domain name in sunrise:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>C: &lt;?xml version=3D&quot;1.0&quot; encoding=3D&quot;utf-8&quot; sta=
ndalone=3D&quot;no&quot;?&gt;</div>
<div>C: &lt;epp xmlns=3D&quot;urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:epp-1.0&quot;&gt;</div=
>
<div>C: =C2=A0 &lt;command&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;check&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;domain:check</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 xmlns:domain=3D&quot;urn:ietf:params:xm=
l:ns:domain-1.0&quot;&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;domain:name&gt;domain.example&lt;/d=
omain:name&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;domain:name&gt;reserved.example&lt;=
/domain:name&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/domain:check&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/check&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;extension&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:check</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 xmlns:fee=3D&quot;urn:ietf:params:xml:n=
s:fee-0.9&quot;&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:currency&gt;USD&lt;/fee:currenc=
y&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:command name=3D&quot;create&quo=
t;/&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:command phase=3D&quot;open&quot=
; name=3D&quot;renew&quot;&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:period unit=3D&quot;y&qu=
ot;&gt;1&lt;/fee:period&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/fee:command&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:command phase=3D&quot;open&quot=
; name=3D&quot;create&quot;/&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:command phase=3D&quot;claims&qu=
ot; subphase=3D&quot;landrush&quot; name=3D&quot;create&quot;/&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/fee:command&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/fee:check&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/extension&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;clTRID&gt;ABC-12345&lt;/clTRID&gt;</div>
<div>C: =C2=A0 &lt;/command&gt;</div>
<div>C: &lt;/epp&gt;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>S: &lt;?xml version=3D&quot;1.0&quot; encoding=3D&quot;utf-8&quot; sta=
ndalone=3D&quot;no&quot;?&gt;</div>
<div>S: &lt;epp xmlns=3D&quot;urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:epp-1.0&quot;&gt;</div=
>
<div>S: =C2=A0 &lt;response&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;result code=3D&quot;1000&quot;&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;msg&gt;Command completed successfully&lt;/=
msg&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/result&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;resData&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;domain:chkData</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 xmlns:domain=3D&quot;urn:ietf:params:xm=
l:ns:domain-1.0&quot;&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;domain:cd&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;domain:name avail=3D&quot;1&=
quot;&gt;domain.example&lt;/domain:name&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/domain:cd&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;domain:cd&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;domain:name avail=3D&quot;0&=
quot;&gt;reserved.example&lt;/domain:name&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;domain:reason&gt;Reserved do=
main&lt;/domain:reason&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/domain:cd&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/domain:chkData&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/resData&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;extension&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:chkData</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 xmlns:fee=3D&quot;urn:ietf:params:xml:n=
s:fee-0.9&quot;&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:currency&gt;USD&lt;/fee:currenc=
y&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:cd avail=3D&quot;1&quot;&gt;</d=
iv>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:objID&gt;domain.example&=
lt;/fee:objID&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:command phase=3D&quot;su=
nrise&quot; name=3D&quot;create&quot;&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:period unit=3D&qu=
ot;y&quot;&gt;1&lt;/fee:period&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:fee description=
=3D&quot;Application Fee&quot;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 refundable=3D&quot=
;0&quot;&gt;5.00&lt;/fee:fee&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:fee description=
=3D&quot;Registration Fee&quot;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 refundable=3D&quot=
;1&quot;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 grace-period=3D&qu=
ot;P5D&quot;&gt;5.00&lt;/fee:fee&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/fee:command&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:command phase=3D&quot;op=
en&quot; name=3D&quot;renew&quot;&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:period unit=3D&qu=
ot;y&quot;&gt;1&lt;/fee:period&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:fee description=
=3D&quot;Renewal Fee&quot;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 refundable=3D&quot=
;1&quot;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 grace-period=3D&qu=
ot;P5D&quot;&gt;5.00&lt;/fee:fee&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/fee:command&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:command phase=3D&quot;op=
en&quot; name=3D&quot;create&quot;&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:period unit=3D&qu=
ot;y&quot;&gt;1&lt;/fee:period&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:fee description=
=3D&quot;Registration Fee&quot;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 refundable=3D&quot=
;1&quot;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 grace-period=3D&qu=
ot;P5D&quot;&gt;5.00&lt;/fee:fee&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/fee:command&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:command phase=3D&quot;cl=
aims&quot; subphase=3D&quot;landrush&quot; name=3D&quot;create&quot;&gt;</d=
iv>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:period unit=3D&qu=
ot;y&quot;&gt;1&lt;/fee:period&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:fee description=
=3D&quot;Registration Fee&quot;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 refundable=3D&quot=
;1&quot;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 grace-period=3D&qu=
ot;P5D&quot;&gt;10.00&lt;/fee:fee&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/fee:command&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/fee:cd&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:cd avail=3D&quot;0&quot;&gt;</d=
iv>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:objID&gt;reserved.exampl=
e&lt;/fee:objID&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;fee:reason&gt;Reserved domai=
n&lt;/fee:currency&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/fee:cd&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/fee:chkData&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/extension&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;trID&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;clTRID&gt;ABC-12345&lt;/clTRID&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;svTRID&gt;54322-XYZ&lt;/svTRID&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;/trID&gt;</div>
<div>S: =C2=A0 &lt;/response&gt;</div>
<div>S: &lt;/epp&gt;</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>On Dec 7, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Pat Moroney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pmoroney=
@name.com" target=3D"_blank">pmoroney@name.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">James, Marc,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Currently for our check commands sent for searches, this is what we re=
quest for fees:</div>
<div>create command for 1 year in the current phase</div>
<div>renew command for<span style=3D"line-height:17.7273px">=C2=A0</span><s=
pan style=3D"line-height:17.7273px">1 year in the</span><span style=3D"line=
-height:1.5">=C2=A0GA phase</span></div>
<div>create command for<span style=3D"line-height:17.7273px">=C2=A0</span><=
span style=3D"line-height:17.7273px">1 year in the</span><span style=3D"lin=
e-height:1.5">=C2=A0GA phase if the current phase is sunrise or landrush.</=
span></div>
<div><span style=3D"line-height:17.7273px">create command for</span><span s=
tyle=3D"line-height:17.7273px">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"line-height:17.7=
273px">1 year in the</span><span style=3D"line-height:17.7273px">=C2=A0land=
rush
 phase if the current phase is sunrise.</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"line-height:17.7273px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"line-height:17.7273px">We never request a fee for a dom=
ain that is not included in the check command.</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"line-height:17.7273px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"line-height:1.5">We do this because we calculate prices=
 for each of these in our search results. Removing the ability to get this =
data in a check response will require us to perform multiple commands for s=
earches, which will
 always be slower then performing a single command that gets the same infor=
mation.=C2=A0</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The check command is the only command that operates on non-existent ob=
jects.=C2=A0<span style=3D"line-height:17.7273px">Combining that with the f=
act that the check command can return the availability of multiple domains =
in a single command makes
 it better suited to return data that is=C2=A0necessary=C2=A0for search res=
ults.</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"line-height:1.5">Modifying the info command to respond =
without an error when an object does not exist upsets the idealist in me mo=
re then returning more information in the check command. Also the idea of s=
ending=C2=A0</span>additional
 multiple<span style=3D"line-height:1.5">=C2=A0millions of=C2=A0info comman=
ds per day upsets the pragmatic in me.=C2=A0</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Performing a fee check on a domain that does not exist happens a coupl=
e of orders of magnitude more times then performing a fee check on a domain=
 that exists. That is why removing the extension from the info command wasn=
&#39;t a big deal.</div>
<div>In our case, performing an availability check without performing these=
 fee checks never happens, so removing the extension from the check command=
 would be a big deal.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>-Pat</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 2:13 AM Marc Groeneweg &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:Marc.Groeneweg@sidn.nl" target=3D"_blank">Marc.Groeneweg@sidn.nl=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"NL" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Pat, James, etal.,<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I have to =
agree with James on this one. Shouldn=E2=80=99t we create a simple check fo=
r checking availability of a domain name (as supposed) extended
 with the current fee (given the period the registry/domain phase is in). A=
nd extend the info command with more complex fee information. The perceived=
 response time for a check command is very, very small =E2=80=98cause its s=
uch a small, and powerful command.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Regards,<u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Marc<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div>
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0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> EppExt [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.=
org" target=3D"_blank">eppext-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gould, James<br>
<b>Sent:</b> vrijdag 4 december 2015 23:55<br>
<b>To:</b> Pat Moroney<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Roger D Carney; <a href=3D"mailto:eppext@ietf.org" target=3D"_bl=
ank">
eppext@ietf.org</a></span></p>
</div>
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0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [eppext] New Version Notification for draft-brown-epp-f=
ees-06.txt<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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<div lang=3D"NL" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pat, <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You don=E2=80=99t have an issue with applying a comm=
on list of commands and periods across the list of objects in the check com=
mand?=C2=A0 Was your plan with=C2=A0draft-brown-epp-fees-06 to include mult=
iple &lt;fee:object&gt; elements with the same &lt;fee:objID&gt;
 value, but with different &lt;fee:command&gt; and &lt;fee:period&gt; value=
s to obtain a fee table or a set of fees for a domain?=C2=A0 My main concer=
n is overloading the use of the check command for something that looks and =
feels like a query (info) interface.=C2=A0 It just feels
 odd to leverage the extended check command to get fee information for exis=
ting domain names.=C2=A0 My idealist side is really starting to get concern=
ed with the mixing of the availability check with a fee query service.=C2=
=A0 It would be best to keep the check simple
 and provide for a limited set of fee information (one command and period a=
long with the domain availability) as a true extension of the availability =
check to quickly provide the availability and create fee for each available=
 object or provide a fee table for
 each available object (billable commands and fees by period ranges).=C2=A0=
 A more powerful query interface could be provided to support more elaborat=
e searches, which is best with the info command and response that was remov=
ed in draft-brown-epp-fees-05.=C2=A0 I realize
 that it is preferred for everything to be provided in a single command and=
 response, but the speed and simplicity of the check is really being put at=
 risk. =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
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<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Calibri,=
sans-serif">=E2=80=94</span><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdan=
a,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"word-spacing:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:=
9pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;word-spacing:0px"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">JG</span><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Verdana,san=
s-serif"><br>
<img width=3D"73" height=3D"64"></span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-f=
amily:Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-family:Times,serif"><br>
</span><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;=
,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#006aaa">James Gould<br>
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#6b6d71">Distinguished Engineer<br>
<a href=3D"http://jgould@verisign.com/" target=3D"_blank">jgould@Verisign.c=
om</a><br>
<br>
703-948-3271<br>
12061 Bluemont Way<br>
Reston, VA 20190<br>
<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#006aaa"><a href=3D"http://verisigninc.com/" tar=
get=3D"_blank">VerisignInc.com</a></span><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-=
family:Verdana,sans-serif">
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
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<div>
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<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Dec 4, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Pat Moroney &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:pmoroney@name.com" target=3D"_blank">pmoroney@name.com</a>&gt; w=
rote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
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<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">James, <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The pragmatist version is of course favorable to me,=
 but the ability to ask for fees relating to multiple commands and/or phase=
s is incredibly useful. Without that ability we would still have to send mu=
ltiple commands since we also request
 the fees for renewals as well as registrations when we perform a check. Th=
is allows us to provide pricing for purchasing and give our customers an id=
ea of the renewal pricing that they will see next year. Multiple phases is =
also useful that way we can calculate
 the price for pre-registrations and pre-landrush while in the sunrise phas=
e with only one command.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">So removing the &lt;fee:objID&gt; objects and having=
 a &lt;fee:period&gt; and one or more &lt;fee:command&gt; and optionally ma=
ny &lt;fee:period&gt; elements that apply to the list of objects referenced=
 in the check command. The response format can stay the same.
 Would that be your pragmatic suggestion?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-Pat<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
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<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 12:11 PM Gould, James &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:JGould@verisign.com" target=3D"_blank">JGould@verisign.com</=
a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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m 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pat &amp; Roger,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Let me clarify from two different perspectives:<u></=
u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Idealist:=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The fee information really doesn=E2=80=99t follow th=
e semantics of a check, but follows the semantics of an info.=C2=A0 The che=
ck command is setup as a container of boolean checks of the existence or av=
ailability of something (domain, claim, contact
 identifier, etc.).=C2=A0 The info command provides the query information f=
or general information.=C2=A0 The fee extension is not asking for the exist=
ence or availability of something, but is asking for fee information given =
query inputs.=C2=A0 The query inputs may be invalid,
 so one of my questions is what should the server return for each of the in=
valid inputs (objID, objURI, objID, element, currency, command, and period)=
?=C2=A0 The check command should be simple and fast, where extending it wit=
h additional query or separate check
 information runs the risk of making it complex and slow.=C2=A0<u></u><u></=
u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pragmatist:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If a fee is needed for every domain check, then we n=
eed a mechanism to support fee information as an extension to check.=C2=A0 =
To keep it a true extension, the only elements needed in the &lt;fee:check&=
gt; element should be &lt;fee:currency&gt;, &lt;fee:command&gt;,
 and &lt;fee:period&gt; that apply across all of the check identifiers (&lt=
;domain:name&gt;) included under the check command (&lt;domain:check&gt;).=
=C2=A0 This would result in a check response including a &lt;fee:chkData&gt=
; element that matches what is currently defined in=C2=A0draft-brown-epp-fe=
es-06,
 except the &lt;fee:objID&gt; elements would always correspond to a respons=
e identifier (&lt;domain:name&gt;).=C2=A0 If there is invalid input provide=
d with &lt;fee:currency&gt;, &lt;fee:command&gt;, or &lt;fee:period&gt;, th=
e check command should fail with a specified EPP error code (my guess
 is 2306, since invalid input would be based on server policy). =C2=A0<u></=
u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m assuming that the pragmatist is favorabl=
e over the idealist, but the idealist in me has a real concern of overloadi=
ng the check command / response as a pattern to combine commands / response=
s. =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">=E2=80=94</span><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u><u><=
/u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ver=
dana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">JG</span=
><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ver=
dana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><br>
<img border=3D"0" width=3D"73" height=3D"64"></span><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><br>
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><br>
</span><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;=
,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#006aaa">James Gould<br>
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#6b6d71">Distinguished Engineer<br>
<a href=3D"http://jgould@verisign.com/" target=3D"_blank">jgould@Verisign.c=
om</a><br>
<br>
703-948-3271<br>
12061 Bluemont Way<br>
Reston, VA 20190<br>
<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&q=
uot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#006aaa"><a href=3D"http://verisigninc.com/" tar=
get=3D"_blank">VerisignInc.com</a></span><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
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<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Dec 4, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Pat Moroney &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:pmoroney@name.com" target=3D"_blank">pmoroney@name.com</a>&gt; w=
rote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
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</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi all, <u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have to agree with Roger. The vast majority of che=
ck commands that we send are triggered by a customer searching on our websi=
te. To create the search results we need both the availability and the fee =
information in order to calculate
 the pricing. We can currently get that with one check command, but if it i=
s split up our command volume will almost double.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-Pat<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 9:20 AM Roger D Carney &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:rcarney@godaddy.com" target=3D"_blank">rcarney@godaddy.com<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Good Mo=
rning,</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Interes=
ting idea Jim. Though not completely disagreeing with your premise that the=
 check and fee have different purposes, let me play devil=E2=80=99s advocat=
e here with some knowledge on the separate
 claims check in mind as well. Different individual purposes maybe but when=
 looking at the varied data flow scenarios (how is this data used and prese=
nted to the end customer), I believe most clients would see the purposes al=
igned well.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0<=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">I have =
heard from many people with the same question about claims: =E2=80=9CWhy do=
 we have to make two calls to see if a domain has a claim associated to it,=
 can=E2=80=99t they just tell us in the check?=E2=80=9D</span><span lang=3D=
"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">I am gu=
essing the same question will come up if it is a separate call for fee info=
rmation as well. People may make the argument that the additional claims ch=
eck is only needed for a specific
 period of time (except for those doing indefinite claims). I think everyon=
e would agree this same argument does not apply for fees and as we see more=
 and more varied wholesale models I think an integrated call is more natura=
l and becomes more necessary.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">Again, =
as these concepts align well from a flow perspective and as the probability=
 of expanding wholesaling models increases, I believe most clients would pr=
efer (demand) one call over multiple
 calls.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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quot;sans-serif&quot;"> EppExt [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:eppext-bounces@iet=
f.org" target=3D"_blank">eppext-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gould, James<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 04, 2015 7:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gavin Brown<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:eppext@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">eppext@ietf=
.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [eppext] New Version Notification for draft-brown-epp-f=
ees-06.txt</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<li class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The fee check extension is rea=
lly not a good fit for extension of the available check.=C2=A0 They have di=
fferent purposes and there is really no relationship between the two, where=
 the availability check can include
 a completely different set of domain names from getting the fee extension.=
=C2=A0 My recommendation is to separate the two and define the fee check as=
 a new verb similar to the claims check in draft-ietf-eppext-launchphase.=
=C2=A0 Another option is truly extend the object
 identifiers (e.g. domain:names) in the check command with a set of fee att=
ributes to get the fee information for.=C2=A0 Have the extension only speci=
fy the command and the optional currency and fee that applies to all of the=
 names in the availability check command.=C2=A0
 The response would include the same list of object identifiers in the exte=
nsion, but it would be a one-to-one relationship.=C2=A0 In this way there i=
s no need for the =E2=80=9CobjURI=E2=80=9D attribute, the &lt;fee:objID&gt;=
 element, and &lt;fee:objID&gt; =E2=80=9Celement=E2=80=9D attribute in the =
check
 command, since the object and identifying element is already defined by th=
e availability check object that is being extended. =C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u><=
/u></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">What should be =
returned when the client passes invalid data in the check command for the t=
he =E2=80=9CobjURI=E2=80=9D attribute (e.g. =E2=80=9Curn:made:up:uri=E2=80=
=9D), the &lt;fee:objID&gt; element (e.g. invalid domain name), the =E2=80=
=9Celement=E2=80=9D attribute
 of &lt;fee:objID&gt; (e.g. =E2=80=9Cmadeup=E2=80=9D), the &lt;fee:currency=
&gt; element (e.g. =E2=80=9CMUP=E2=80=9D), and the &lt;fee:period&gt; eleme=
nt (e.g. =E2=80=9C99&quot; when max is =E2=80=9C10=E2=80=9D)?=C2=A0 An inva=
lid &lt;fee:command&gt; is covered by not returning the fee information, bu=
t it=E2=80=99s unclear whether the server should return
 an error or not return the fee information for other invalid data.=C2=A0 T=
o follow the semantics of a check command and response, my recommendation i=
s to add an =E2=80=9Cavail=E2=80=9D attribute to either &lt;fee:cd&gt; or &=
lt;fee:objID&gt; to explicitly indicate that the fee information
 is available along with an optional &lt;fee:reason&gt; to indicate the rea=
son that the fee information is not available.=C2=A0 The reason the fee inf=
ormation is not available for a particular object could be due to the passi=
ng of invalid input in the check command &lt;fee:object&gt;
 element.=C2=A0 If you went with a single set of fee elements in the check =
command that is applied to all of the object identifiers in the availabilit=
y check, then an invalid fee element could result in a failure of the check=
 command itself instead of being an error
 (e.g. not available) on a per domain basis. =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u><=
/u></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Since the check=
 response supports returning a =E2=80=9C0.00=E2=80=9D value to indicate no =
fee, doesn=E2=80=99t make sense to do the same with all transform command r=
esponses? =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></li></ol>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">On Nov 4, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Gav=
in Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gavin.brown@centralnic.com" target=3D"_blank=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Changes from 05 to 06:<br>
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=C2=A0=C2=A01.=C2=A0 The specification is now object-agnostic, but works wi=
th RFC5731<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0[RFC5731] domains by default.<br>
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=C2=A0=C2=A02.=C2=A0 Renamed the &lt;fee:domain&gt; element to &lt;fee:obje=
ct&gt;.=C2=A0 Added the<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0&quot;objURI&quot; attribute.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A03.=C2=A0 Removed the default value for the &quot;refundable&quo=
t; attribute of<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0&lt;fee:fee&gt; elements, and added tex=
t about how clients should<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0handle such cases.=C2=A0 Added similar =
text to the documentation of<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0the &quot;grace-period&quot; attribute.=
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=C2=A0=C2=A04.=C2=A0 Removed references to the defunct &lt;info&gt; command=
 syntax.<br>
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=C2=A0=C2=A05. =C2=A0&quot;MUST&quot; requirements regarding documentation =
have been changed to<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0&quot;must&quot;.<br>
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=C2=A0=C2=A06.=C2=A0 Created separate &quot;Correlation between Refundabili=
ty and Grace<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Periods&quot; section describing how th=
e &quot;refundable&quot; and &quot;grace-<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0period&quot; attributes work together.<=
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Feedback welcome as always!<br>
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Subject: New Version Notification for draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt<br>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 14:52:30 -0800<br>
From: <a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">interne=
t-drafts@ietf.org</a><br>
To: Gavin Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gavin.brown@centralnic.com" target=3D=
"_blank">gavin.brown@centralnic.com</a>&gt;, Jothan Frakes<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jothan@jothan.com" target=3D"_blank">jothan@jothan.co=
m</a>&gt;<br>
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<br>
A new version of I-D, draft-brown-epp-fees-06.txt<br>
has been successfully submitted by Gavin Brown and posted to the<br>
IETF repository.<br>
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Name: draft-brown-epp-fees<br>
Revision: 06<br>
Title: Registry Fee Extension for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol<br>
(EPP)<br>
Document date: 2015-11-04<br>
Group: Individual Submission<br>
Pages: 36<br>
URL:<br>
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es-06.txt</a><br>
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Abstract:<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0This document describes an Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EP=
P)<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0extension mapping for registry fees.<br>
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The IETF Secretariat<br>
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Gavin Brown<br>
Chief Technology Officer<br>
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Thank you for the feedback Roger,

=20
This email slipped through the cracks, apologies for the
late response.=20

Comments inline.

Regards,
Gustavo


From:  EppExt <eppext-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Roger D Carney
<rcarney@godaddy.com>
Date:  Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 13:19
To:  "eppext@ietf.org" <eppext@ietf.org>, "weirds@ietf.org"
<weirds@ietf.org>
Subject:  Re: [eppext] Adding missing RDAP event action types for gTLDs


>Thanks Gustavo.
>=20
>I agree with Scott, from what I recall this is just a proposed timeline.
>=20
>As for this I-D, one comment, one clarification:
>=B7       =20
>Comment: in reading Appendix B of RFC 7483 it states that events
>represent actions that have taken place against a registered object
> at a certain date and time. I don=B9t see that Last Update of RDAP
>Database is an action against a registered object, against the
>=B3container=B2 of these registered objects but not against a registered
>object. This may be just a definition issue, I don=B9t recall
> reading a definition of Last Update of RDAP Database so it could be
>defined as: the date/time of the last change to a registration object
>(domain, host, contact) in the RDAP database. Lacking a definition I
>would have defined Last Update of RDAP Database literally,
> so any maintenance including restoration, reference table updates,
>etc I would say changes the Last Update of RDAP Database. Again maybe
>just a definition issue.
>
>
>

The draft provides a definition for "last update of RDAP database" in
section 2. The definition is: An action noting when the information in the
object instance in the RDAP database was last synchronized from the
authoritative database (e.g. registry database).

The RDAP profile published for public comments (i.e.
https://whois.icann.org/sites/default/files/files/gtld-rdap-operational-pro
file-draft-03dec15-en.pdf) uses this event action, you may want to take a
look at this document to have a better idea of the intended use.


>
>=B7       =20
>Clarification: this I-D tries to address the lack of some RDAP data
>modeling in regards to Registrar Expiration Date but there still
> is work needed to address getting this data from registrar to registry,
>correct? I am not aware of a way to do this currently or of work to make
>this happen.
>=20
>
>
>

Correct, I am working on an I-D (EPP extension) to fill this gap.

>=20
>Thanks
>Roger
>=20
>=20
>From:
> EppExt [mailto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hollenbeck, Scott
>Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 12:48 PM
>To: Gustavo Lozano; eppext@ietf.org
>Cc: weirds@ietf.org
>Subject: Re: [eppext] Adding missing RDAP event action types for gTLDs
>
>
>=20
>From: weirds [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org]
>On Behalf Of Gustavo Lozano
>Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 1:29 PM
>To: eppext@ietf.org
>Cc: weirds@ietf.org
>Subject: [weirds] Adding missing RDAP event action types for gTLDs
>=20
>Hello colleagues,
>
>=20
>
>As you may know, two of the open issues in the RDAP profile for gTLDs
>(http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gtld-tech/attachments/20150928/35901409/gTL
>DRDAPOperationalProfile-v06-0001.pdf)
> are missing event action types in the base RDAP specification for:
>
>* Last update time of the RDAP database
>
>* Registrar registration expiration date
>
>=20
>
>You may find the details in the following I-D:
>
>https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-lozano-rdap-gtld-whois-additional-events-00.
>txt=20
><https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-lozano-rdap-gtld-whois-additional-events-00
>.txt>
>
>=20
>
>It's important to promptly add these two event action types based on the
>timeline for deployment of RDAP in the gTLDs.
>
>=20
>
>[snip]
>=20
>If a recall what I heard in Dublin and Yokohama, the timeline is
>*proposed* and subject to a community review process that is supposed to
>start later this month =AD correct?
>=20
>Scott

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e></head><body>=0A<div><span></span>Dear Colleagues,</div><div><br></div><=
div>Thanks for the effort and contribution to promote the eppext's WG work=
.</div><div><br></div><div>My feedback is below.</div><div><br></div><div>=
Regards,</div><div>Jiagui Xie</div><div><br></div><div>Teleinfo</div>=0A<b=
lockquote style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.5em=
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efef; PADDING-BOTTOM: 8px; PADDING-TOP: 8px"><div><b>From:</b>&nbsp;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:ietf@antoin.nl">Antoin Verschuren</a></div><div><b>Date:</b>&n=
bsp;2015-12-08&nbsp;18:01</div><div><b>To:</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:eppe=
xt@ietf.org">eppext</a></div><div><b>Subject:</b>&nbsp;Re: [eppext] Rechar=
ter Milestones discussion</div></div></div><div><div>Op 7 dec. 2015, om 04=
:36 heeft Linlin Zhou &lt;zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn&gt; het volgende geschreven:=
</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>&gt; I agree that the WG needs a milesto=
ne and schedule, since we do not have so</div>=0A<div>&gt; much time to wo=
rk on these existing documents in parallel. In my opinion,</div>=0A<div>&g=
t; the logical working process of a draft is that first calling for WG</di=
v>=0A<div>&gt; adoption, approved by WG (discussed and supported on the ma=
iling list or at</div>=0A<div>&gt; the f2f meeting), included in the miles=
tone, etc.. I believe that all the</div>=0A<div>&gt; document should follo=
w the clear working path. If a document has opposed</div>=0A<div>&gt; comm=
ents, whether or not we should discuss the technical stuff first and</div>=
=0A<div>&gt; pend the document included in the charter. The nv draft as a =
single</div>=0A<div>&gt; informational document, which is related to some =
Chinese local policies, I</div>=0A<div>&gt; still do not see a clarified c=
onsensus on it. Shall we discuss if the</div>=0A<div>&gt; document is qual=
ified to be a WG document?</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>OK, so I alrea=
dy heard we want to remove the relay draft from the list of milestones.</d=
iv>=0A<div>That leaves us with a list of 9 documents for WG adoption.</div=
>=0A<div>You specifically want to hear a voice of adoption for the informa=
tional nv-mapping draft.</div>=0A<div>What does the WG think of this docum=
ent?</div>=0A<div>Should we adopt it now, or remove it from the list of mi=
lestones and possibly add it later as a WG item?</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=
<div><b>Jiagui:&nbsp;</b></div><div>&nbsp;Linlin &amp; Antoin,&nbsp;<span =
style=3D"font-family: ''; font-size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5; background-=
color: window;">Although&nbsp;the&nbsp;starting&nbsp;point&nbsp;of&nbsp;&n=
bsp;the&nbsp;nv&nbsp;draft&nbsp;is&nbsp;from&nbsp;the&nbsp;local&nbsp;solu=
tion,&nbsp;We&nbsp;see&nbsp;that&nbsp;in</span></div><div><span style=3D"f=
ont-family: ''; font-size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5; background-color: win=
dow;">&nbsp;the&nbsp;southeast&nbsp;asia&nbsp;and&nbsp;eastern&nbsp;europe=
,&nbsp;there are&nbsp;some&nbsp;countries have&nbsp;already&nbsp;considere=
d&nbsp;the&nbsp;verification,</span><span style=3D"background-color: windo=
w; font-family: ''; font-size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5;">&nbsp;they&nbsp;=
have&nbsp;the&nbsp;same&nbsp;requirments.&nbsp;</span></div><div><span sty=
le=3D"font-family: ''; font-size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5; background-col=
or: window;">&nbsp;And&nbsp;this&nbsp;draft&nbsp;is&nbsp;not&nbsp;bound&nb=
sp;to&nbsp;China&nbsp;local&nbsp;policy&nbsp;too,&nbsp;it&nbsp;is&nbsp;jus=
t&nbsp;a&nbsp;third-party&nbsp;verification&nbsp;model&nbsp;which&nbsp;may=
&nbsp;be&nbsp;useful&nbsp;to&nbsp;the&nbsp;global&nbsp;technical&nbsp;comm=
unity.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-family: ''; font-size: 10.5pt;=
 line-height: 1.5; background-color: window;">&nbsp;I&nbsp;welcome&nbsp;an=
y&nbsp;comments&nbsp;on&nbsp;this&nbsp;draft&nbsp;from&nbsp;this&nbsp;WG,&=
nbsp;&nbsp;but&nbsp;I&nbsp;do&nbsp;think&nbsp;the&nbsp;discussion&nbsp;sho=
uld&nbsp;be&nbsp;based&nbsp;on&nbsp;its&nbsp;technical&nbsp;merits&nbsp;an=
d&nbsp;discussion</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-family: ''; font-si=
ze: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5; background-color: window;">&nbsp;ought&nbsp;=
to&nbsp;be&nbsp;focused&nbsp;on&nbsp;the&nbsp;technical&nbsp;solution&nbsp=
;itself&nbsp;and&nbsp;on&nbsp;any&nbsp;possible&nbsp;technical&nbsp;issues=
&nbsp;relating&nbsp;to&nbsp;it.</span></div><div><br></div>=0A<div>&gt; Fo=
r the priority issue, I think the document with most discussion and</div>=
=0A<div>&gt; support should be listed in the first priority. The verificat=
ion drafts were</div>=0A<div>&gt; proposed before last IETF, there's still=
 no thorough discussion about them</div>=0A<div>&gt; on the mailing list. =
It is somewhat a hurry to complete 3 drafts WGLC in a</div>=0A<div>&gt; pe=
riod of time less than one month. Moreover, most of the WG members will</d=
iv>=0A<div>&gt; have a Christmas holiday, I guess. Though we don't have su=
ch a long holiday</div>=0A<div>&gt; in China :)</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=
=0A<div>So what do you propose here?</div>=0A<div>Should we prioritize the=
 reseller draft since it had more review over the verification draft(s)?</=
div>=0A<div>So put reseller in group 1 and verification in group 2?</div>=
=0A<div>What does te WG think of this proposal?</div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A=
<div>&gt; Again, I feel obliged to discuss more about the technical issues=
 on existing</div>=0A<div>&gt; drafts. Let's move this recharter work and =
take action on drafts as soon as</div>=0A<div>&gt; possible.</div>=0A<div>=
&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>I also want to speed up the technical discussion as we=
 have enough work to do.</div>=0A<div>So let=E2=80=99s get this charter di=
scussion out of our way and create a list of milestones so we know what wo=
rk lies ahead.</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>Regards,</div>=0A<div>&nbs=
p;</div>=0A<div>- --</div>=0A<div>Antoin Verschuren</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</d=
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v>I agree with James's proposal.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</=
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08&nbsp;23:47</div><div><b>To:</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:ietf@antoin.nl">=
Antoin Verschuren</a></div><div><b>CC:</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:eppext@i=
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">=0A</b></span></font></font></font><font size=3D"2" style=3D"color: rgb(=
0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; l=
etter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: sta=
rt; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: a=
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ri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><font face=3D"Helvetica, Verdana, Arial" class=
=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;" class=3D""><font color=3D"#6B6D71" =
class=3D"">Distinguished=0A Engineer<br class=3D"">=0A<a href=3D"jgould@Ve=
risign.com" class=3D"">jgould@Verisign.com</a><br class=3D"">=0A<br class=
=3D"">=0A703-948-3271<br class=3D"">=0A12061 Bluemont Way<br class=3D"">=
=0AReston, VA 20190<br class=3D"">=0A<br class=3D"">=0A</font><font color=
=3D"#006AAA" class=3D""><a href=3D"http://VerisignInc.com" class=3D"">Veri=
signInc.com</a></font></span></font></font>=0A</span></span></div>=0A<br c=
lass=3D"">=0A<div>=0A<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"" style=3D"margin-=
top: 0px;">=0A<div class=3D"">On Dec 8, 2015, at 5:01 AM, Antoin Verschure=
n &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ietf@antoin.nl" class=3D"">ietf@antoin.nl</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div>=0A<br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">=0A<div class=3D"">=
Op 7 dec. 2015, om 04:36 heeft Linlin Zhou &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:zhoulinli=
n@cnnic.cn" class=3D"">zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn</a>&gt; het volgende geschreven=
:<br class=3D"">=0A<br class=3D"">=0A<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"" =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px;">I agree that the WG needs a milestone and sched=
ule, since we do not have so<br class=3D"">=0Amuch time to work on these e=
xisting documents in parallel. In my opinion,<br class=3D"">=0Athe logical=
 working process of a draft is that first calling for WG<br class=3D"">=0A=
adoption, approved by WG (discussed and supported on the mailing list or a=
t<br class=3D"">=0Athe f2f meeting), included in the milestone, etc.. I be=
lieve that all the<br class=3D"">=0Adocument should follow the clear worki=
ng path. If a document has opposed<br class=3D"">=0Acomments, whether or n=
ot we should discuss the technical stuff first and<br class=3D"">=0Apend t=
he document included in the charter. The nv draft as a single<br class=3D"=
">=0Ainformational document, which is related to some Chinese local polici=
es, I<br class=3D"">=0Astill do not see a clarified consensus on it. Shall=
 we discuss if the<br class=3D"">=0Adocument is qualified to be a WG docum=
ent?<br class=3D"">=0A</blockquote>=0A<br class=3D"">=0AOK, so I already h=
eard we want to remove the relay draft from the list of milestones.<br cla=
ss=3D"">=0AThat leaves us with a list of 9 documents for WG adoption.<br c=
lass=3D"">=0AYou specifically want to hear a voice of adoption for the inf=
ormational nv-mapping draft.<br class=3D"">=0AWhat does the WG think of th=
is document?<br class=3D"">=0AShould we adopt it now, or remove it from th=
e list of milestones and possibly add it later as a WG item?<br class=3D""=
>=0A<br class=3D"">=0A<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"" style=3D"margin=
-top: 0px;">For the priority issue, I think the document with most discuss=
ion and<br class=3D"">=0Asupport should be listed in the first priority. T=
he verification drafts were<br class=3D"">=0Aproposed before last IETF, th=
ere's still no thorough discussion about them<br class=3D"">=0Aon the mail=
ing list. It is somewhat a hurry to complete 3 drafts WGLC in a<br class=
=3D"">=0Aperiod of time less than one month. Moreover, most of the WG memb=
ers will<br class=3D"">=0Ahave a Christmas holiday, I guess. Though we don=
't have such a long holiday<br class=3D"">=0Ain China :)<br class=3D"">=0A=
</blockquote>=0A<br class=3D"">=0ASo what do you propose here?<br class=3D=
"">=0AShould we prioritize the reseller draft since it had more review ove=
r the verification draft(s)?<br class=3D"">=0ASo put reseller in group 1 a=
nd verification in group 2?<br class=3D"">=0AWhat does te WG think of this=
 proposal?<br class=3D"">=0A<br class=3D"">=0A</div>=0A</blockquote>=0A<di=
v><br class=3D"">=0A</div>=0A<div>Your proposal looks reasonable; although=
 I recommend moving fees up to Group 1, moving the verification code and n=
v mapping drafts to group 2, and moving the allocation token and change po=
ll drafts to group 3. &nbsp;If there was bandwidth to move reseller up=0A =
to Group 1 and change poll up to Group 2, that works for me. &nbsp;There m=
ay be one small overlap between verification and reseller that we may want=
 to consider. &nbsp;My proposed groupings are below.&nbsp;</div>=0A<div><b=
r class=3D"">=0A</div>=0A<div>Group 1<br class=3D"">=0A<br class=3D"">=0A-=
epp-rdap mapping (draft-gould-epp-rdap-status-mapping)<br class=3D"">=0A-f=
ees (draft-brown-epp-fees)<br class=3D"">=0A<br class=3D"">=0AGroup 2<br c=
lass=3D"">=0A<br class=3D"">=0A-reseller (draft-zhou-eppext-reseller and d=
raft-zhou-eppext-reseller-mapping)<br class=3D"">=0A-verification (draft-g=
ould-eppext-verificationcode and draft-xie-eppext-nv-mapping)</div>=0A<div=
><br class=3D"">=0AGroup 3<br class=3D"">=0A<br class=3D"">=0A-change poll=
 (draft-gould-change-poll)<br class=3D"">=0A-allocation token (draft-gould=
-allocation-token)<br class=3D"">=0A-bundling (draft-kong-eppext-bundling-=
registration)<br class=3D"">=0A<br class=3D"">=0A</div>=0A<div>Group 4<br =
class=3D"">=0A<br class=3D"">=0A-IDN Table Mapping (draft-ietf-eppext-idnm=
ap and draft-gould-idn-table&nbsp;and draft-wilcox-cira-idn-eppext)<br cla=
ss=3D"">=0A-Relay (no draft yet, split from keyrelay)<br class=3D"">=0A</d=
iv>=0A<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>=0A<div><br class=3D"">=0A</div>=0A<div><br c=
lass=3D"">=0A</div>=0A<br class=3D"">=0A<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D=
"" style=3D"margin-top: 0px;">=0A<div class=3D"">=0A<blockquote type=3D"ci=
te" class=3D"" style=3D"margin-top: 0px;">Again, I feel obliged to discuss=
 more about the technical issues on existing<br class=3D"">=0Adrafts. Let'=
s move this recharter work and take action on drafts as soon as<br class=
=3D"">=0Apossible.<br class=3D"">=0A</blockquote>=0A<br class=3D"">=0AI al=
so want to speed up the technical discussion as we have enough work to do.=
<br class=3D"">=0ASo let=E2=80=99s get this charter discussion out of our =
way and create a list of milestones so we know what work lies ahead.<br cl=
ass=3D"">=0A<br class=3D"">=0ARegards,<br class=3D"">=0A<br class=3D"">=0A=
- --<br class=3D"">=0AAntoin Verschuren<br class=3D"">=0A<br class=3D"">=
=0ATweevoren 6, 5672 SB Nuenen, NL<br class=3D"">=0AM: +31 6 37682392<br c=
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> =E5=9C=A8 2015=E5=B9=B412=E6=9C=889=E6=97=A5=EF=BC=8C00:36=EF=BC=8CGould=
, James <JGould@verisign.com> =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
>=20
> The proposal is to move draft-gould-eppext-verificationcode as a =
standards track WG document to define the locality verification =
framework, and to include draft-xie-eppext-nv-mapping as a concrete =
informational draft applicable to China.  This way the framework can be =
discussed along with a concrete implementation of the framework. =20

I think the framework offered by your draft is brilliant and is shedding =
lights on the R&D work in my team. I support it adopted as WG item.

Besides, many registry operators in China, enlightened by your draft, =
are working on their implementations of verification mechanisms.


> Do you have feedback on the contents of draft-xie-eppext-nv-mapping?


I also appreciate the innovation of nv draft.

Granted, my concern is that using EPP to transport verification =
materials, pictures for instance, changes the light-weight EPP operation =
practice.=20

Di,

>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> =E2=80=94
>=20
> JG
>=20
>=20
> <BF09FAA4-32D8-46E0-BED0-CD72F43BD6E0[81].png>
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> James Gould
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> jgould@Verisign.com
>=20
> 703-948-3271
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>> On Dec 8, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Declan Ma <madi@zdns.cn> wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>> =E5=9C=A8 2015=E5=B9=B412=E6=9C=887=E6=97=A5=EF=BC=8C11:36=EF=BC=8CLin=
lin Zhou <zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn> =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
>>>=20
>>> Dear chair,
>>> Thanks for your work to propose the discussion.
>>>=20
>>> I agree that the WG needs a milestone and schedule, since we do not =
have so
>>> much time to work on these existing documents in parallel. In my =
opinion,
>>> the logical working process of a draft is that first calling for WG
>>> adoption, approved by WG (discussed and supported on the mailing =
list or at
>>> the f2f meeting), included in the milestone, etc.. I believe that =
all the
>>> document should follow the clear working path. If a document has =
opposed
>>> comments, whether or not we should discuss the technical stuff first =
and
>>> pend the document included in the charter. The nv draft as a single
>>> informational document, which is related to some Chinese local =
policies, I
>>> still do not see a clarified consensus on it. Shall we discuss if =
the
>>> document is qualified to be a WG document?
>>=20
>>=20
>> Linlin,
>>=20
>> I quite agree with you, speaking as a technical guy from Chinese DNS =
industry.
>>=20
>> Since the nv draft bears relevances to the local policies in China =
and is intended to be Informational, thorough discussions are =
indispensable to see whether it is qualified to be a WG item.
>>=20
>> It=E2=80=99s unwise to jump into the decision of putting nv draft in =
milestone and to-do list.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Di Ma
>>=20
>> ZDNS
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>> http://en.zdns.cn
>>=20
>>=20
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(1) The IPR declaration says that license terms will be available
"later." As things stand, I don't understand how the WG can have
made an informed decision in that case. I looked at the archive
and saw essentially no discussion, other than the announcement. I
also looked at the application and it's not crystal clear to me at
least that none of the claims are relevant. The shepherd write-up
also doesn't help me, but of course there may have been discussion
in a f2f meeting that is documented in minutes or something - I've
not checked for such, or I may have missed out on some list
traffic. Anyway, the DISCUSS is to ask did I miss stuff and if not
how can WG participants have rationally considered an IPR
declaration if the licensing information will only arrive "later"
after the document is approved to become an RFC?  (Note: If I am
explicitly told that this was considered and participants were ok
with the declaration even as-is, then I'll clear.) 

(2) So I can see at least two ways in which this kind of thing can
be done and you don't clearly say which this supports. Option (a)
would be for the gaining DNS operator to provide new public keys
to the losing operator for inclusion before a transfer so that
continuity is maintained during the transfer. Option (b) would be
where the KSK private material is not known by either
operator, but e.g. by the registrant. In the case of option (b)
the DNSKEY would be transferred from the losing to the gaining DNS
operator. (And the arrow in Figure 1 would be in the other
direction.) I think you need to be clear about which of these
cases is actually being supported and about the overall sequence
of events needed. (If you tell me that you really want to do
whatever is in draft-koch, then that's fine but then this draft is
probably premature and draft-koch would need to be a normative
ref.)


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- I think I'm missing an overview of EPP here. The intro could
maybe do with a short para, and/or a pointer to something general.
(Ah, I get it in section 3 - the ref to 5730 might be better in
the intro.)

- general: I think it'd be better to talk about public key values
and not "key material" as the latter is often used to describe
secret/private values which aren't at issue here. (Or else
I'm mis-reading stuff:-)

- nit, p8: s/previously send/previously sent/

- Section 6: I'm surprised that you don't recommend or even note
that the gaining registrar/dns operator should be able to check
that the DNSKEY value it sees in XML is or is not the same as one
that is published in the DNS and verifiable there. Wouldn't that
kind of cross check be useful?



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> (1) The IPR declaration says that license terms will be available
> "later." As things stand, I don't understand how the WG can have
> made an informed decision in that case. I looked at the archive
> and saw essentially no discussion, other than the announcement. I
> also looked at the application and it's not crystal clear to me at
> least that none of the claims are relevant. The shepherd write-up
> also doesn't help me, but of course there may have been discussion
> in a f2f meeting that is documented in minutes or something - I've
> not checked for such, or I may have missed out on some list
> traffic. Anyway, the DISCUSS is to ask did I miss stuff and if not
> how can WG participants have rationally considered an IPR
> declaration if the licensing information will only arrive "later"
> after the document is approved to become an RFC?  (Note: If I am
> explicitly told that this was considered and participants were ok
> with the declaration even as-is, then I'll clear.)

I will see what I can do to have the declaration updated ASAP.

Scott


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Thanks for the reference Gustavo.

Just for clarity the suggestion is to make a new RDAP event for Last update=
 of RDAP database as defined as "the last date and time the database used b=
y the RDAP service was updated from the Registry or Registrar database". I =
don't think this definition of "Last update" matches the definition of an e=
vent as defined in Appendix B of RFC 7483: "actions that have taken place a=
gainst a registered object at a certain date and time". A small nit, but I =
just wanted to make sure that I understand the proposal and the components =
involved.


Thanks
Roger

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustavo Lozano [mailto:gustavo.lozano@icann.org]=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 7:25 PM
To: Roger D Carney; eppext@ietf.org; weirds@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [eppext] Adding missing RDAP event action types for gTLDs

Thank you for the feedback Roger,

=20
This email slipped through the cracks, apologies for the
late response.=20

Comments inline.

Regards,
Gustavo


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Date:  Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 13:19
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>Thanks Gustavo.
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>I agree with Scott, from what I recall this is just a proposed timeline.
>=20
>As for this I-D, one comment, one clarification:
>=B7       =20
>Comment: in reading Appendix B of RFC 7483 it states that events
>represent actions that have taken place against a registered object
> at a certain date and time. I don=B9t see that Last Update of RDAP
>Database is an action against a registered object, against the
>=B3container=B2 of these registered objects but not against a registered
>object. This may be just a definition issue, I don=B9t recall
> reading a definition of Last Update of RDAP Database so it could be
>defined as: the date/time of the last change to a registration object
>(domain, host, contact) in the RDAP database. Lacking a definition I
>would have defined Last Update of RDAP Database literally,
> so any maintenance including restoration, reference table updates,
>etc I would say changes the Last Update of RDAP Database. Again maybe
>just a definition issue.
>
>
>

The draft provides a definition for "last update of RDAP database" in
section 2. The definition is: An action noting when the information in the
object instance in the RDAP database was last synchronized from the
authoritative database (e.g. registry database).

The RDAP profile published for public comments (i.e.
https://whois.icann.org/sites/default/files/files/gtld-rdap-operational-pro
file-draft-03dec15-en.pdf) uses this event action, you may want to take a
look at this document to have a better idea of the intended use.


>
>=B7       =20
>Clarification: this I-D tries to address the lack of some RDAP data
>modeling in regards to Registrar Expiration Date but there still
> is work needed to address getting this data from registrar to registry,
>correct? I am not aware of a way to do this currently or of work to make
>this happen.
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>
>

Correct, I am working on an I-D (EPP extension) to fill this gap.

>=20
>Thanks
>Roger
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>Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 12:48 PM
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>Subject: Re: [eppext] Adding missing RDAP event action types for gTLDs
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>From: weirds [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org]
>On Behalf Of Gustavo Lozano
>Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 1:29 PM
>To: eppext@ietf.org
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>Subject: [weirds] Adding missing RDAP event action types for gTLDs
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>Hello colleagues,
>
>=20
>
>As you may know, two of the open issues in the RDAP profile for gTLDs
>(http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gtld-tech/attachments/20150928/35901409/gTL
>DRDAPOperationalProfile-v06-0001.pdf)
> are missing event action types in the base RDAP specification for:
>
>* Last update time of the RDAP database
>
>* Registrar registration expiration date
>
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>
>You may find the details in the following I-D:
>
>https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-lozano-rdap-gtld-whois-additional-events-00.
>txt=20
><https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-lozano-rdap-gtld-whois-additional-events-00
>.txt>
>
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>
>It's important to promptly add these two event action types based on the
>timeline for deployment of RDAP in the gTLDs.
>
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>
>[snip]
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>If a recall what I heard in Dublin and Yokohama, the timeline is
>*proposed* and subject to a community review process that is supposed to
>start later this month =AD correct?
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>Scott


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Robert,

>=20
> I also still think you would have a stronger document if it discussed =
the SHOULD NOT in the security section as I suggest below. I think you =
read that to be me suggesting you change it to MUST NOT. That was not =
the intent. I was asking you to add to the document _why_ it wasn't MUST =
NOT.

I=E2=80=99ll take that into consideration, as I have explained it in the =
response the wording isn=E2=80=99t that difficult anymore. There are =
some more IESG review comment on this section so I assume there will =
another version to before publication.=20

Current wording:

A server SHOULD NOT perform any transformation on data under server =
management when processing a \<keyrelay:create\> command.

Proposed wording:

A server SHOULD NOT perform any transformation on data under server =
management when processing a \<keyrelay:create\> command. The intent of =
this command is to put DNSSEC key material on the poll queue of another =
client. To make sure that this EPP extension is interoperable with the =
different server policies that already have implemented EPP this =
extension it is not classified as must not.

Please let me know what you think of this proposal (or send in text ;-))

Gr,
Rik=20=

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Hello Stephen,

My comment are inline.

Gr,
Rik=20

> On 15 Dec 2015, at 12:41, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> =
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> (1) The IPR declaration says that license terms will be available
> "later." As things stand, I don't understand how the WG can have
> made an informed decision in that case. I looked at the archive
> and saw essentially no discussion, other than the announcement. I
> also looked at the application and it's not crystal clear to me at
> least that none of the claims are relevant. The shepherd write-up
> also doesn't help me, but of course there may have been discussion
> in a f2f meeting that is documented in minutes or something - I've
> not checked for such, or I may have missed out on some list
> traffic. Anyway, the DISCUSS is to ask did I miss stuff and if not
> how can WG participants have rationally considered an IPR
> declaration if the licensing information will only arrive "later"
> after the document is approved to become an RFC?  (Note: If I am
> explicitly told that this was considered and participants were ok
> with the declaration even as-is, then I'll clear.)=20
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I=E2=80=99ll wait for Scott Hollenbeck to update the IPR text. see =
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eppext/h53yrXvbugHt9gCefOaUnJ62Ghg =
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> (2) So I can see at least two ways in which this kind of thing can
> be done and you don't clearly say which this supports. Option (a)
> would be for the gaining DNS operator to provide new public keys
> to the losing operator for inclusion before a transfer so that
> continuity is maintained during the transfer. Option (b) would be
> where the KSK private material is not known by either
> operator, but e.g. by the registrant. In the case of option (b)
> the DNSKEY would be transferred from the losing to the gaining DNS
> operator. (And the arrow in Figure 1 would be in the other
> direction.) I think you need to be clear about which of these
> cases is actually being supported and about the overall sequence
> of events needed. (If you tell me that you really want to do
> whatever is in draft-koch, then that's fine but then this draft is
> probably premature and draft-koch would need to be a normative
> ref.)
>=20

It is intended for option (a). The information transferred is the new =
DS-record or the new public keys depending on the server policy. See =
also more comments below.

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> - I think I'm missing an overview of EPP here. The intro could
> maybe do with a short para, and/or a pointer to something general.
> (Ah, I get it in section 3 - the ref to 5730 might be better in
> the intro.)
>=20

RFC5730 is also mentioned in the abstract.=20

> - general: I think it'd be better to talk about public key values
> and not "key material" as the latter is often used to describe
> secret/private values which aren't at issue here. (Or else
> I'm mis-reading stuff:-)
>=20

See comment above; We chose the term DNSSEC key material after quite =
some discussion between the authors because you either talk about the =
DS-record or the public key.
Having re-read Section 2.1 on DNSSEC key material I see the reference to =
RFC5910 (DNSSEC provisioning through EPP) is actually incorrect (and =
might lead to your mis-read) . Currently it references section 4.2 This =
should be section 4 as the difference between DS-data an key data is =
explained in the introduction of section 4. I have updated the reference =
to section 4 in the working copy of the document.

> - nit, p8: s/previously send/previously sent/

Fixed in the working copy of the draft.

>=20
> - Section 6: I'm surprised that you don't recommend or even note
> that the gaining registrar/dns operator should be able to check
> that the DNSKEY value it sees in XML is or is not the same as one
> that is published in the DNS and verifiable there. Wouldn't that
> kind of cross check be useful?
>=20

I agree that this is useful; proposed wording:

A client that uses this mechanism to send DNSSEC key material to another =
client COULD verify through DNS that the DNSSEC key material is added to =
the authoritative zone of the domain.

Please let me know what you think of this proposed wording.


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r class=3D"">for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT =
positions.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The document, =
along with other ballot positions, can be found here:<br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay/" =
class=3D"">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay/</a=
><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">---------------------------------------------------------------=
-------<br class=3D"">DISCUSS:<br =
class=3D"">---------------------------------------------------------------=
-------<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">(1) The IPR =
declaration says that license terms will be available<br =
class=3D"">"later." As things stand, I don't understand how the WG can =
have<br class=3D"">made an informed decision in that case. I looked at =
the archive<br class=3D"">and saw essentially no discussion, other than =
the announcement. I<br class=3D"">also looked at the application and =
it's not crystal clear to me at<br class=3D"">least that none of the =
claims are relevant. The shepherd write-up<br class=3D"">also doesn't =
help me, but of course there may have been discussion<br class=3D"">in a =
f2f meeting that is documented in minutes or something - I've<br =
class=3D"">not checked for such, or I may have missed out on some =
list<br class=3D"">traffic. Anyway, the DISCUSS is to ask did I miss =
stuff and if not<br class=3D"">how can WG participants have rationally =
considered an IPR<br class=3D"">declaration if the licensing information =
will only arrive "later"<br class=3D"">after the document is approved to =
become an RFC? &nbsp;(Note: If I am<br class=3D"">explicitly told that =
this was considered and participants were ok<br class=3D"">with the =
declaration even as-is, then I'll clear.) <br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div><div>I=E2=80=
=99ll wait for Scott Hollenbeck to update the IPR text. see&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eppext/h53yrXvbugHt9gCefOaUn=
J62Ghg" =
class=3D"">https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eppext/h53yrXvbugHt9gCefO=
aUnJ62Ghg</a>&nbsp;</div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">(2) So I can see at least two =
ways in which this kind of thing can<br class=3D"">be done and you don't =
clearly say which this supports. Option (a)<br class=3D"">would be for =
the gaining DNS operator to provide new public keys<br class=3D"">to the =
losing operator for inclusion before a transfer so that<br =
class=3D"">continuity is maintained during the transfer. Option (b) =
would be<br class=3D"">where the KSK private material is not known by =
either<br class=3D"">operator, but e.g. by the registrant. In the case =
of option (b)<br class=3D"">the DNSKEY would be transferred from the =
losing to the gaining DNS<br class=3D"">operator. (And the arrow in =
Figure 1 would be in the other<br class=3D"">direction.) I think you =
need to be clear about which of these<br class=3D"">cases is actually =
being supported and about the overall sequence<br class=3D"">of events =
needed. (If you tell me that you really want to do<br class=3D"">whatever =
is in draft-koch, then that's fine but then this draft is<br =
class=3D"">probably premature and draft-koch would need to be a =
normative<br class=3D"">ref.)<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div>It is =
intended for option (a). The information transferred is the new =
DS-record or the new public keys depending on the server policy. See =
also more comments below.</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">---------------------------------------------------------------=
-------<br class=3D"">COMMENT:<br =
class=3D"">---------------------------------------------------------------=
-------<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">- I think I'm =
missing an overview of EPP here. The intro could<br class=3D"">maybe do =
with a short para, and/or a pointer to something general.<br =
class=3D"">(Ah, I get it in section 3 - the ref to 5730 might be better =
in<br class=3D"">the intro.)<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div></blockquote><br class=3D"">RFC5730 is also =
mentioned in the abstract.&nbsp;</div><div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">- general: I =
think it'd be better to talk about public key values<br class=3D"">and =
not "key material" as the latter is often used to describe<br =
class=3D"">secret/private values which aren't at issue here. (Or else<br =
class=3D"">I'm mis-reading stuff:-)<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div><div>See =
comment above; We chose the term DNSSEC key material after quite some =
discussion between the authors because you either talk about the =
DS-record or the public key.</div><div>Having re-read Section 2.1 on =
DNSSEC key material I see the reference to RFC5910 (DNSSEC provisioning =
through EPP) is actually incorrect (and might lead to your mis-read) . =
Currently it references section 4.2 This should be section 4 as the =
difference between DS-data an key data is explained in the introduction =
of section 4. I have updated the reference to section 4 in the working =
copy of the document.</div><div><br class=3D""></div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">- nit, p8: =
s/previously send/previously sent/<br =
class=3D""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div>Fixed in =
the working copy of the draft.</div><div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D"">- =
Section 6: I'm surprised that you don't recommend or even note<br =
class=3D"">that the gaining registrar/dns operator should be able to =
check<br class=3D"">that the DNSKEY value it sees in XML is or is not =
the same as one<br class=3D"">that is published in the DNS and =
verifiable there. Wouldn't that<br class=3D"">kind of cross check be =
useful?<br class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div></blockquote><div><br =
class=3D""></div>I agree that this is useful; proposed =
wording:</div></div><div><br class=3D""></div><div><div>A client that =
uses this mechanism to send DNSSEC key material to another client COULD =
verify through DNS that the DNSSEC key material is added to the =
authoritative zone of the domain.</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>Please let me know what you think of this proposed =
wording.</div><div><br class=3D""></div></div></body></html>=

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Reviewer: Robert Sparks
Review Date: 14Dec2015
IETF LC End Date: 4Dec2015
IESG Telechat date: 17Dec2015

Summary: (Still) ready for publication as Proposed Standard

Thanks for addressing most of my nits.

I think it's a problem (not for this document, but for the overall work) 
that draft-koch-dnsop-operator-change isn't moving forward. I think the 
group should spend energy on how to capture what it was saying.

I also still think you would have a stronger document if it discussed 
the SHOULD NOT in the security section as I suggest below. I think you 
read that to be me suggesting you change it to MUST NOT. That was not 
the intent. I was asking you to add to the document _why_ it wasn't MUST 
NOT.

On 11/25/15 3:45 PM, Robert Sparks wrote:
> I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area
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> Document: draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay-10
> Reviewer: Robert Sparks
> Review Date: 25Nov2015
> IETF LC End Date: 4Dec2015
> IESG Telechat date: (not yet scheduled)
>
> Summary: Ready for publication as Proposed Standard with nits
>
> This is a small nit, but please consider changing the document to 
> address it. The motivation for this extension leans on improving the 
> security of transferring information between registrars. It should be 
> recast as providing better automation and reliability instead. In 
> practice (and I think in specification), it hinges on passing a 
> password from the registrar of record to the gaining registrar through 
> some unspecified means (though typically through the registrant). That 
> password is required to be placed in the create by the gaining 
> registrar as specified in this document in order for that create to 
> succeed at the registry. While it would be impractical and 
> error-prone, the same channel that was used to hand this password 
> around _could_ be used to pass the keying material this extension 
> addresses.
>
> Reading draft-koch-dnsop-operator-change (an informational reference 
> currently) helped greatly with understanding this document. That draft 
> expired in 2014. Please be sure it advances, and consider making it a 
> normative reference.
> If it is not going to move forward, consider pulling some of the 
> transfer mechanic recommendations and the definitions of 
> losing/gaining entities into this draft, unless they've already made 
> it into the RFC series somewhere else?
>
> The security considerations document says a server SHOULD NOT perform 
> any transformation on data under server management when processing a 
> <keyrelay:create> command. Can this point to more detailed discussion 
> somewhere? Why is this not a MUST NOT? (What are the conditions where 
> violating the SHOULD NOT is the right thing to do? What are the risks 
> a server takes if it performs such a transformation?)
>
> Micro-nit : In section 2.1 where you say "The <expiry> element MUST 
> contain one of the following", consider saying "The <expiry> element 
> MUST contain exactly one of the following".
>
> RjS
>
>


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Op 15 dec. 2015, om 21:10 heeft Rik Ribbers <rik.ribbers@sidn.nl> het =
volgende geschreven:

>> On 15 Dec 2015, at 12:41, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> =
wrote:
>>=20
>> - Section 6: I'm surprised that you don't recommend or even note
>> that the gaining registrar/dns operator should be able to check
>> that the DNSKEY value it sees in XML is or is not the same as one
>> that is published in the DNS and verifiable there. Wouldn't that
>> kind of cross check be useful?
>>=20
>=20
> I agree that this is useful; proposed wording:
>=20
> A client that uses this mechanism to send DNSSEC key material to =
another client COULD verify through DNS that the DNSSEC key material is =
added to the authoritative zone of the domain.
>=20
> Please let me know what you think of this proposed wording.

I disagree with this wording, and with the problem statement.
A gaining DNS-operator is able to validate a key from the losing =
DNS-operator through the DNS as there is a chain of trust. That key from =
the losing DNS-operator therefor never needs to go over the EPP XML =
channel. People can trust it through DNS.

The use case for keyrelay is the other way round. The gaining operator =
initiates the transfer, The losing operator needs a secure channel to =
trust the key that is sent by the gaining operator as the losing =
operator cannot validate that key though DNSSEC since the delegation is =
still to the losing operator. Keyrelay is a solution to that bootstrap =
issue.
If at all, I would recommend NOT to trust the key from the gaining =
DNS-operator over DNS as it cannot be validated through DNSSEC.
The losing operator COULD check if the gaining operator has set up his =
DNS properly as a sort of pre-delegation check, but frankly I don=92t =
believe that is his responsibility, and certainly in most registry =
policies not a reason to disapprove a transfer. On top of that, since =
there is no delegation, and thus no chain of trust, the responses can be =
spoofed so it would be an extra security risk if the gaining operator =
would rely on performing a pre-delegation check. A third party could =
block the transfer by spoofing the responses.

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> (1) The IPR declaration says that license terms will be available
> "later." As things stand, I don't understand how the WG can have
> made an informed decision in that case. I looked at the archive
> and saw essentially no discussion, other than the announcement. I
> also looked at the application and it's not crystal clear to me at
> least that none of the claims are relevant. The shepherd write-up
> also doesn't help me, but of course there may have been discussion
> in a f2f meeting that is documented in minutes or something - I've
> not checked for such, or I may have missed out on some list
> traffic. Anyway, the DISCUSS is to ask did I miss stuff and if not
> how can WG participants have rationally considered an IPR
> declaration if the licensing information will only arrive "later"
> after the document is approved to become an RFC?  (Note: If I am
> explicitly told that this was considered and participants were ok
> with the declaration even as-is, then I'll clear.)

It will be early next year before Verisign will be able to provide an updat=
ed declaration due to the upcoming holidays and associated time off for inv=
olved people. Sorry for the delay.

Scott


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Hi Scott,

On 16/12/15 16:48, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote:
> It will be early next year before Verisign will be able to provide an
> updated declaration due to the upcoming holidays and associated time
> off for involved people. Sorry for the delay.

Thanks for chasing this up and I fully understand. I'll chat
with Barry about how best to handle stuff in the meantime.

Cheers,
S.


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Agree with Stephen and looking forward to the IPR declaration being
updated.

In Section 1.2:

"The registry SHOULD have certain policies in place that require the
   losing DNS operator to cooperate with this transaction, however this
   is beyond this document."

This seems like a misplaced normative SHOULD.



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Robert, thank you for your review(s), and Rik, thanks for the edits.
Your proposed wording below works for me.

Jari

On 15 Dec 2015, at 21:20, Rik Ribbers <rik.ribbers@sidn.nl> wrote:

> Robert,
>=20
>>=20
>> I also still think you would have a stronger document if it discussed =
the SHOULD NOT in the security section as I suggest below. I think you =
read that to be me suggesting you change it to MUST NOT. That was not =
the intent. I was asking you to add to the document _why_ it wasn't MUST =
NOT.
>=20
> I=92ll take that into consideration, as I have explained it in the =
response the wording isn=92t that difficult anymore. There are some more =
IESG review comment on this section so I assume there will another =
version to before publication.
>=20
> Current wording:
>=20
> A server SHOULD NOT perform any transformation on data under server =
management when processing a \<keyrelay:create\> command.
>=20
> Proposed wording:
>=20
> A server SHOULD NOT perform any transformation on data under server =
management when processing a \<keyrelay:create\> command. The intent of =
this command is to put DNSSEC key material on the poll queue of another =
client. To make sure that this EPP extension is interoperable with the =
different server policies that already have implemented EPP this =
extension it is not classified as must not.
>=20
> Please let me know what you think of this proposal (or send in text =
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I also agree with the IPR section of Stephen's discuss.



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Hiya,

On 15/12/15 20:10, Rik Ribbers wrote:
> Hello Stephen,
> 
> My comment are inline.
> 
> Gr,
> Rik 
> 
>> On 15 Dec 2015, at 12:41, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
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>>
>> (1) The IPR declaration says that license terms will be available
>> "later." As things stand, I don't understand how the WG can have
>> made an informed decision in that case. I looked at the archive
>> and saw essentially no discussion, other than the announcement. I
>> also looked at the application and it's not crystal clear to me at
>> least that none of the claims are relevant. The shepherd write-up
>> also doesn't help me, but of course there may have been discussion
>> in a f2f meeting that is documented in minutes or something - I've
>> not checked for such, or I may have missed out on some list
>> traffic. Anyway, the DISCUSS is to ask did I miss stuff and if not
>> how can WG participants have rationally considered an IPR
>> declaration if the licensing information will only arrive "later"
>> after the document is approved to become an RFC?  (Note: If I am
>> explicitly told that this was considered and participants were ok
>> with the declaration even as-is, then I'll clear.) 
>>
> 
> I’ll wait for Scott Hollenbeck to update the IPR text. see https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eppext/h53yrXvbugHt9gCefOaUnJ62Ghg <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eppext/h53yrXvbugHt9gCefOaUnJ62Ghg> 

Right, this seems to be in-work which is fine.

>> (2) So I can see at least two ways in which this kind of thing can
>> be done and you don't clearly say which this supports. Option (a)
>> would be for the gaining DNS operator to provide new public keys
>> to the losing operator for inclusion before a transfer so that
>> continuity is maintained during the transfer. Option (b) would be
>> where the KSK private material is not known by either
>> operator, but e.g. by the registrant. In the case of option (b)
>> the DNSKEY would be transferred from the losing to the gaining DNS
>> operator. (And the arrow in Figure 1 would be in the other
>> direction.) I think you need to be clear about which of these
>> cases is actually being supported and about the overall sequence
>> of events needed. (If you tell me that you really want to do
>> whatever is in draft-koch, then that's fine but then this draft is
>> probably premature and draft-koch would need to be a normative
>> ref.)
>>
> 
> It is intended for option (a). The information transferred is the new DS-record or the new public keys depending on the server policy. See also more comments below.

Ok, so it's option (a) which is fine. But don't you need to
say that in the document? I initially assumed you were doing
(b) which lead to a confusing read. I'd suggest adding a bit
of text like this near the start:

"This specification describes a way to use EPP to allow a
gaining DNS operator to send new public keys to a losing
DNS operator. Having those new keys signed in the DNS before
transitioning to the gaining DNS operator means there need
not be any gap in service when new private keys (at the gaining
DNS operator) are used to sign DNS records. While there are
other ways of managing keys during transitions, only this
method is described in this specification."

Cheers,
S.


>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> COMMENT:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> - I think I'm missing an overview of EPP here. The intro could
>> maybe do with a short para, and/or a pointer to something general.
>> (Ah, I get it in section 3 - the ref to 5730 might be better in
>> the intro.)
>>
> 
> RFC5730 is also mentioned in the abstract. 
> 
>> - general: I think it'd be better to talk about public key values
>> and not "key material" as the latter is often used to describe
>> secret/private values which aren't at issue here. (Or else
>> I'm mis-reading stuff:-)
>>
> 
> See comment above; We chose the term DNSSEC key material after quite some discussion between the authors because you either talk about the DS-record or the public key.
> Having re-read Section 2.1 on DNSSEC key material I see the reference to RFC5910 (DNSSEC provisioning through EPP) is actually incorrect (and might lead to your mis-read) . Currently it references section 4.2 This should be section 4 as the difference between DS-data an key data is explained in the introduction of section 4. I have updated the reference to section 4 in the working copy of the document.
> 
>> - nit, p8: s/previously send/previously sent/
> 
> Fixed in the working copy of the draft.
> 
>>
>> - Section 6: I'm surprised that you don't recommend or even note
>> that the gaining registrar/dns operator should be able to check
>> that the DNSKEY value it sees in XML is or is not the same as one
>> that is published in the DNS and verifiable there. Wouldn't that
>> kind of cross check be useful?
>>
> 
> I agree that this is useful; proposed wording:
> 
> A client that uses this mechanism to send DNSSEC key material to another client COULD verify through DNS that the DNSSEC key material is added to the authoritative zone of the domain.
> 
> Please let me know what you think of this proposed wording.
> 
> 


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Hello Stephen,

counter proposal:


In this document we define an EPP extension to sent DNSSEC key material=20=

between EPP clients. This allows DNS operators to bootstrap =
automatically, reliable and=20
securely the transfer of a domain name while keeping the DNSSEC chain of =
trust intact.=20

Gr,
Rik

> Ok, so it's option (a) which is fine. But don't you need to
> say that in the document? I initially assumed you were doing
> (b) which lead to a confusing read. I'd suggest adding a bit
> of text like this near the start:
>=20
> "This specification describes a way to use EPP to allow a
> gaining DNS operator to send new public keys to a losing
> DNS operator. Having those new keys signed in the DNS before
> transitioning to the gaining DNS operator means there need
> not be any gap in service when new private keys (at the gaining
> DNS operator) are used to sign DNS records. While there are
> other ways of managing keys during transitions, only this
> method is described in this specification."
>=20
> Cheers,
> S.
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On 17/12/15 15:59, Rik Ribbers wrote:
> Hello Stephen,
> 
> counter proposal:
> 
> 
> In this document we define an EPP extension to sent DNSSEC key material 
> between EPP clients. This allows DNS operators to bootstrap automatically, reliable and 
> securely the transfer of a domain name while keeping the DNSSEC chain of trust intact. 

So that doesn't address the exact point that confused me
which was that you're only defining how to do things in
one way where new public keys go from gaining -> losing.
That is the crucial point you need to make.

Secondly, acking that there are other ways in which it
can be done would be good too.

S.

> 
> Gr,
> Rik
> 
>> Ok, so it's option (a) which is fine. But don't you need to
>> say that in the document? I initially assumed you were doing
>> (b) which lead to a confusing read. I'd suggest adding a bit
>> of text like this near the start:
>>
>> "This specification describes a way to use EPP to allow a
>> gaining DNS operator to send new public keys to a losing
>> DNS operator. Having those new keys signed in the DNS before
>> transitioning to the gaining DNS operator means there need
>> not be any gap in service when new private keys (at the gaining
>> DNS operator) are used to sign DNS records. While there are
>> other ways of managing keys during transitions, only this
>> method is described in this specification."
>>
>> Cheers,
>> S.
>>
> 
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Stephen

> 
> So that doesn't address the exact point that confused me
> which was that you're only defining how to do things in
> one way where new public keys go from gaining -> losing.
> That is the crucial point you need to make.
> 
> Secondly, acking that there are other ways in which it
> can be done would be good too.

The proposed text is for section 1, your points are addressed in section 1.2.

Gr,
Rik 
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n style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;">In reviewing&nbsp;</span></font><span style=
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</span><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">draft-wang-eppext-domain-v=
erification,
 I see only extensions of the query responses (check and info), but I don't=
 see extensions to the transform commands to submit the&nbsp;verification m=
aterial. &nbsp;Do you plan on adding extensions to the transform commands i=
n the existing drafts or creating separate
 drafts for that purpose? &nbsp;</font></li><li><font face=3D"Times New Rom=
an" size=3D"3">What is the relationship between the&nbsp;</font><span style=
=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;">draft-zhou-eppext-contact-verif=
ication and&nbsp;</span><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">draft-wan=
g-eppext-domain-verification
 drafts</font><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">? &nbsp;</font></li=
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</span><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">draft-wang-eppext-domain-v=
erification only applicable to China verification or is
 being proposed as more general drafts? &nbsp;I assume based on the Informa=
tional track that it's specific to China, but there is no reference to Chin=
a in either draft. &nbsp;</font></li></ol>
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<div><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">Thanks,</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><br>
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<div><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">Jim</font></div>
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ze=3D"2" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> EppExt [eppext-bounces@ietf.org] on=
 behalf of lidaiming [lidaiming@knet.cn]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 21, 2015 9:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Linlin Zhou; eppext@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [eppext] Fw: I-D Action: draft-zhou-eppext-contact-veri=
fication-00.txt<br>
</font><br>
</div>
<div></div>
<div>
<div>Linlin,</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks for your efforts. </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Since this draft together with draft-wang-eppext-domain-verification-0=
0 is intended to describe the very EPP extensions relating to verification =
mechanism in China, you might include their background and usecases in thes=
e drafts, to shed light on their
 applications and implementations.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Daiming</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>KNET Technologies</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>
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<div><strong>=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA</strong>&quot;Linlin Zhou&quot; &lt;z=
houlinlin@cnnic.cn&gt;</div>
<div><strong>=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4=A3=BA</strong>2015-12-21&nbsp;09:49</=
div>
<div><strong>=D6=F7=CC=E2=A3=BA</strong>[eppext] Fw: I-D Action: draft-zhou=
-eppext-contact-verification-00.txt</div>
<div><strong>=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA</strong>&quot;eppext@ietf.org&quot;&l=
t;eppext@ietf.org&gt;</div>
<div><strong>=B3=AD=CB=CD=A3=BA</strong></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>
<div><span></span>The draft of contact verification has been submitted, whi=
ch is now applied in practice in some registries of China. Any comments are=
 welcome.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,</div>
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210px">
<div><span>
<div style=3D"font-size:10pt; font-family:verdana; margin:10px">
<div>Linlin Zhou</div>
</div>
</span></div>
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<div>&nbsp;</div>
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; border-left:medium none; padding-right:0cm">
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ght:8px">
<div><b>From:</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">internet-drafts</a></div>
<div><b>Date:</b>&nbsp;2015-12-21&nbsp;09:36</div>
<div><b>To:</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:i-d-announce@ietf.org" target=3D"_bl=
ank">i-d-announce@ietf.org</a></div>
<div><b>Subject:</b>&nbsp;I-D Action: draft-zhou-eppext-contact-verificatio=
n-00.txt</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts dir=
ectories.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Title&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : Verification Extension for the Ext=
ensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP) Contact Mapping</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Authors&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : Linlin Zhou</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; Di Ma</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; Wei Wang</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; Ning Kong</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; Xiaodong Lee</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; James Galvin</div>
<div>Filename&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : draft-zhou-eppext=
-contact-verification-00.txt</div>
<div>Pages&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : 17=
</div>
<div>Date&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 : 2015-12-20</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Abstract:</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp; This mapping describes an verification extension to EPP c=
ontact</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp; mapping [RFC5733].&nbsp; Specified in Extensible Markup L=
anguage (XML),</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp; this extended mapping is applied to provide additional fe=
atures</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp; required for the provisioning of contact verification.</d=
iv>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:</div>
<div>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhou-eppext-contact-verificatio=
n/</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>There's also a htmlized version available at:</div>
<div>https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhou-eppext-contact-verification-00<=
/div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of subm=
ission</div>
<div>until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.</=
div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:</div>
<div>ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>_______________________________________________</div>
<div>I-D-Announce mailing list</div>
<div>I-D-Announce@ietf.org</div>
<div>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce</div>
<div>Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html</div>
<div>or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt</div>
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>=0A<div><span></span>Yes, that's a good point. I'll try to add some text =
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Zhou</div></div></span></div>=0A<blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 0px; marg=
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8px"><div><b>From:</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:lidaiming@knet.cn">lidaiming=
</a></div><div><b>Date:</b>&nbsp;2015-12-21&nbsp;22:41</div><div><b>To:</b=
>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn">Linlin Zhou</a>; <a href=3D"=
mailto:eppext@ietf.org">eppext@ietf.org</a></div><div><b>Subject:</b>&nbsp=
;Re: [eppext] Fw: I-D Action: draft-zhou-eppext-contact-verification-00.tx=
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nd -->=0A<div>Linlin,</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>Thanks for your eff=
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ft-wang-eppext-domain-verification-00 is =0Aintended to describe the very =
EPP extensions relating to verification mechanism =0Ain China, you might i=
nclude their background and usecases in these drafts, to =0Ashed light on =
their applications and implementations.</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>D=
aiming</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>KNET Technologies</div>=0A<div>&nb=
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ong>"Linlin Zhou" &lt;zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn&gt;</div>=0A  <div><strong>=E5=
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ft of contact verification has been submitted, which =0A  is now applied i=
n practice in some registries of China. Any comments are =0A  welcome.</di=
v>=0A  <div><br></div>=0A  <div>Regards,</div>=0A  <hr style=3D"HEIGHT: 1p=
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; PADDING-RIGHT: 8px">=0A    <div><b>From:</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:inte=
rnet-drafts@ietf.org">internet-drafts</a></div>=0A    <div><b>Date:</b>&nb=
sp;2015-12-21&nbsp;09:36</div>=0A    <div><b>To:</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:i-d-announce@ietf.org">i-d-announce@ietf.org</a></div>=0A    <div><b>Sub=
ject:</b>&nbsp;I-D Action: =0A    draft-zhou-eppext-contact-verification-0=
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ew Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts =0A    dir=
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sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : Linlin Zhou</div>=0A    <d=
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p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 =0A    Ning Kong</div>=0A    <div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =0A    Xiaodong Lee</div>=0A    <div=
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nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp; =0A    James Galvin</div>=0A    <div>Filename&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
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;&nbsp; : =0A    17</div>=0A    <div>Date&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =0A    : 2015-12-20</div>=0A    <div>&nb=
sp;</div>=0A    <div>Abstract:</div>=0A    <div>&nbsp;&nbsp; This mapping =
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</div>=0A    <div>&nbsp;</div>=0A    <div>&nbsp;</div>=0A    <div>Please n=
ote that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of =0A    submissio=
n</div>=0A    <div>until the htmlized version and diff are available at =
=0A    tools.ietf.org.</div>=0A    <div>&nbsp;</div>=0A    <div>Internet-D=
rafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:</div>=0A    <div>ftp://ftp.i=
etf.org/internet-drafts/</div>=0A    <div>&nbsp;</div>=0A    <div>________=
_______________________________________</div>=0A    <div>I-D-Announce mail=
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ight: 1.5; }</style></head><body>=0A<div><span></span>Hi James,</div><div>=
Thanks for your review. I have following feedbacks about your questions.</=
div><div>1. The drafts specified the query commands only, which are now im=
plemented in some registries in China, to fufill most of the critical requ=
irements . We are not going to add transform extension in EPP drafts at pr=
esent as this function of upload proof materials has been developed and im=
plemented via HTTP. Maybe after a sufficient test of using EPP transform c=
ommands to transfer large files, we could consider standardizing this part=
 in EPP extension.&nbsp;</div><div>2. Actually in verification process, th=
ere are typically two phases, domain verification and contact verification=
. Domain verification is aimed to check whether a domain is reserved or pr=
ohibited. Contact verification is to check the facticity of a person. So T=
hese two drafts are seperated.<br>3. Yes, it is specific to China currentl=
y. But we don't exclude the possibility to make them as more general draft=
s if some other countries also have the verification regulations. Daiming =
Li mentioned to add some content about verification background as well. I =
think this is a good suggestion and a quick update will be posted soon.</d=
iv>=0A<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><hr style=3D"width: 210px; height:=
 1px;" color=3D"#b5c4df" size=3D"1" align=3D"left">=0A<div><span><div styl=
e=3D"MARGIN: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><div>Linlin Zhou=
</div></div></span></div>=0A<blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-b=
ottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.5em;"><div>&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"border:non=
e;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><div style=3D"=
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><div><b>=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:JGould@verisi=
gn.com">Gould, James</a></div><div><b>=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4=A3=BA</b>&n=
bsp;2015-12-22&nbsp;05:16</div><div><b>=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA</b>&nbsp;<=
a href=3D"mailto:lidaiming@knet.cn">lidaiming</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:zhoul=
inlin@cnnic.cn">Linlin Zhou</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:eppext@ietf.org">eppext=
@ietf.org</a></div><div><b>=D6=F7=CC=E2=A3=BA</b>&nbsp;Re: [eppext] Fw: I-=
D Action: draft-zhou-eppext-contact-verification-00.txt</div></div></div><=
div><div class=3D"FoxDiv20151222125217414011">=0A<div style=3D"direction: =
ltr;font-family: Tahoma;color: #000000;font-size: 10pt;"><font face=3D"=CE=
=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA"><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;">Hi,</span></font=
>=0A<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=
=DA; font-size: 10.5pt;"><br>=0A</div>=0A<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0)=
; font-family: =CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA; font-size: 10.5pt;">I have a few =
high level questions:</div>=0A<div>=0A<ol style=3D"margin-top: 0px;">=0A<l=
i><font face=3D"=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA" style=3D"font-size: 10pt;"><span=
 style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;">In reviewing&nbsp;</span></font><span style=
=3D"font-family: Verdana;">draft-zhou-eppext-contact-verification and&nbsp=
;</span><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">draft-wang-eppext-domain=
-verification,=0A I see only extensions of the query responses (check and =
info), but I don't see extensions to the transform commands to submit the&=
nbsp;verification material. &nbsp;Do you plan on adding extensions to the =
transform commands in the existing drafts or creating separate=0A drafts f=
or that purpose? &nbsp;</font></li><li><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=
=3D"3">What is the relationship between the&nbsp;</font><span style=3D"fon=
t-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;">draft-zhou-eppext-contact-verificatio=
n and&nbsp;</span><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">draft-wang-epp=
ext-domain-verification=0A drafts</font><font face=3D"Times New Roman" siz=
e=3D"3">? &nbsp;</font></li><li><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">=
Is&nbsp;</font><span style=3D"font-family: Verdana;">draft-zhou-eppext-con=
tact-verification and&nbsp;</span><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3=
">draft-wang-eppext-domain-verification only applicable to China verificat=
ion or is=0A being proposed as more general drafts? &nbsp;I assume based o=
n the Informational track that it's specific to China, but there is no ref=
erence to China in either draft. &nbsp;</font></li></ol>=0A</div>=0A<div><=
font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">Thanks,</font></div>=0A<div><font=
 face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><br>=0A</font></div>=0A<div><font fac=
e=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3">Jim</font></div>=0A<div style=3D"color: r=
gb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA; font-size: 10.5pt;"><b=
r>=0A<div style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; color: #000000; font-size=
: 16px">=0A<hr tabindex=3D"-1">=0A<div id=3D"divRpF493441" style=3D"direct=
ion: ltr;"><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b>=
 EppExt [eppext-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of lidaiming [lidaiming@knet.c=
n]<br>=0A<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 21, 2015 9:41 AM<br>=0A<b>To:</b> L=
inlin Zhou; eppext@ietf.org<br>=0A<b>Subject:</b> Re: [eppext] Fw: I-D Act=
ion: draft-zhou-eppext-contact-verification-00.txt<br>=0A</font><br>=0A</d=
iv>=0A<div></div>=0A<div>=0A<div>Linlin,</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>=
Thanks for your efforts. </div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>Since this draf=
t together with draft-wang-eppext-domain-verification-00 is intended to de=
scribe the very EPP extensions relating to verification mechanism in China=
, you might include their background and usecases in these drafts, to shed=
 light on their=0A applications and implementations.</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</=
div>=0A<div>Daiming</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>KNET Technologies</di=
v>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>=0A<hr style=3D"border-top:#c0c0c0 1px solid=
; height:1px; border-right:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-left:0px">=0A</d=
iv>=0A<blockquote id=3D"ntes-flashmail-quote" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; fo=
nt-family: Verdana; padding-left: 0px; margin-left: 0.5em; margin-top: 0px=
; margin-bottom: 0px;">=0A<div><strong>=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA</strong>"L=
inlin Zhou" &lt;zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn&gt;</div>=0A<div><strong>=B7=A2=CB=CD=
=CA=B1=BC=E4=A3=BA</strong>2015-12-21&nbsp;09:49</div>=0A<div><strong>=D6=
=F7=CC=E2=A3=BA</strong>[eppext] Fw: I-D Action: draft-zhou-eppext-contact=
-verification-00.txt</div>=0A<div><strong>=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA</strong=
>"eppext@ietf.org"&lt;eppext@ietf.org&gt;</div>=0A<div><strong>=B3=AD=CB=
=CD=A3=BA</strong></div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>=0A<div><span></span>T=
he draft of contact verification has been submitted, which is now applied =
in practice in some registries of China. Any comments are welcome.</div>=
=0A<div><br>=0A</div>=0A<div>Regards,</div>=0A<hr align=3D"left" color=3D"=
#b5c4df" size=3D"1" style=3D"height:1px; width:210px">=0A<div><span>=0A<di=
v style=3D"font-size:10pt; font-family:verdana; margin:10px">=0A<div>Linli=
n Zhou</div>=0A</div>=0A</span></div>=0A<blockquote style=3D"margin-bottom=
: 0px; margin-left: 0.5em; margin-top: 0px;">=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div s=
tyle=3D"border-top:#b5c4df 1pt solid; border-right:medium none; border-bot=
tom:medium none; padding-bottom:0cm; padding-top:3pt; padding-left:0cm; bo=
rder-left:medium none; padding-right:0cm">=0A<div style=3D"font-size:12px;=
 font-family:tahoma; background:#efefef; color:#000000; padding-bottom:8px=
; padding-top:8px; padding-left:8px; padding-right:8px">=0A<div><b>From:</=
b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">inte=
rnet-drafts</a></div>=0A<div><b>Date:</b>&nbsp;2015-12-21&nbsp;09:36</div>=
=0A<div><b>To:</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:i-d-announce@ietf.org" target=3D=
"_blank">i-d-announce@ietf.org</a></div>=0A<div><b>Subject:</b>&nbsp;I-D A=
ction: draft-zhou-eppext-contact-verification-00.txt</div>=0A</div>=0A</di=
v>=0A<div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>A New Internet-Draft is available fr=
om the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A<d=
iv>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Title&nb=
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v>=0A<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin=
-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.5em;">=0A<div class=3D"">On Dec 22, 2015, at =
2:07 AM, Linlin Zhou &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn" class=3D""=
>zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn</a>&gt; wrote:</div>=0A<br class=3D"Apple-interchange=
-newline">=0A<div class=3D"">=0A<div class=3D"">=0A<div class=3D""><span c=
lass=3D""></span>Hi James,</div>=0A<div class=3D"">Thanks for your review.=
 I have following feedbacks about your questions.</div>=0A<div class=3D"">=
1. The drafts specified the query commands only, which are now implemented=
 in some registries in China, to fufill most of the critical requirements =
. We are not going to add transform extension in EPP drafts at present as =
this function of upload=0A proof materials has been developed and implemen=
ted via HTTP. Maybe after a sufficient test of using EPP transform command=
s to transfer large files, we could consider standardizing this part in EP=
P extension.&nbsp;</div>=0A</div>=0A</div>=0A</blockquote>=0A<div><br clas=
s=3D"">=0A</div>=0A<div>Since they are informational drafts it makes sense=
 to include what is currently implemented, but it does not provide a compl=
ete solution for verification. &nbsp;My recommendation is to publish your =
HTTP API as informational drafts to cover the transform side=0A of the sol=
ution or extend the transform commands in your EPP extensions. &nbsp;As no=
ted previously on the list, there is no technical reason that EPP cannot b=
e used to submit the verification material.</div><div><br></div><div>[Linl=
in] Thanks for your suggestion. We've considered this issue and found that=
 BCP of HTTP API may be more proper.&nbsp;</div>=0A<br class=3D"">=0A<bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0=
px; margin-left: 0.5em;">=0A<div class=3D"">=0A<div class=3D"">=0A<div cla=
ss=3D"">2. Actually in verification process, there are typically two phase=
s, domain verification and contact verification. Domain verification is ai=
med to check whether a domain is reserved or prohibited. Contact verificat=
ion is to check the facticity=0A of a person. So These two drafts are sepe=
rated.<br class=3D"">=0A</div>=0A</div>=0A</div>=0A</blockquote>=0A<div><b=
r class=3D"">=0A</div>=0A<div>There is added complexity in separating them=
 since the aggregate verification (domain and real name) impacts the domai=
n and not the contact. &nbsp;In EPP contacts are managed separately from t=
he domains, so putting the verification on the contacts raises some=0A add=
itional questions:</div>=0A<div><br class=3D"">=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<ol cla=
ss=3D"MailOutline" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; list-styl=
e-position: inside;">=0A<li class=3D"">Do all contacts need to be verified=
 (registrant, admin, tech, and billing), since contacts themselves don=E2=
=80=99t have the concept of type?&nbsp;</li></ol><div><span style=3D"backg=
round-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"b=
ackground-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); font-size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5;">&=
nbsp; &nbsp; [Linlin]&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; line-h=
eight: 1.5; background-color: window;">Actually o</span><span style=3D"bac=
kground-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); font-size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5;">nly=
 the registrant need to be verified according to the regulation in China.<=
/span></div><div><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); font-s=
ize: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5;"><br></span></div><ol class=3D"MailOutline"=
 style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; list-style-position: inside=
;"><li class=3D"">What is the expected behavior when a domain references a=
 blocked or unverified registrant? &nbsp;=0A</li><ol class=3D"" style=3D"m=
argin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; list-style-position: inside;">=0A<li c=
lass=3D"">Does it impact the status of the domain and if so how?<span styl=
e=3D"background-color: window; font-size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5;">&nbsp=
;&nbsp;<br>[Linlin] I think the simple process is to verify the domain, th=
e verification status of a domain is pendingVerify. If it is a banned doma=
in, after the period of pendingVerify, the domain will be deleted, no need=
 to further check contact. If a domain passes verification but the registr=
ant is unverified, the status of the domain maybe changed to serverHold an=
d the status of the contact is failed. Updated proof materials are waited =
to be resubmitted.</span></li></ol><ol class=3D"" style=3D"margin-top: 0px=
; margin-bottom: 0px; list-style-position: inside;"><li class=3D"">How doe=
s the client get notified of the domain status change? &nbsp;We=E2=80=99re=
 leveraging&nbsp;draft-gould-change-poll for this purpose.</li></ol></ol><=
div><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp=
;</span><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); font-size: 10.5=
pt; line-height: 1.5;">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"background=
-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); font-size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5;">&nbsp; &nb=
sp;&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); font-si=
ze: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5;">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"ba=
ckground-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); font-size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5;">&n=
bsp; &nbsp; [Linlin] Yes, I think the poll command should be extented too.=
</span></div><div><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); font-=
size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5;"><br></span></div><ol class=3D"MailOutline=
" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; list-style-position: insid=
e;">=0A<li class=3D"">What happens when the domain is updated to reference=
 a different set of contacts that have different statuses? &nbsp;</li></ol=
><div><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nb=
sp;</span><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); font-size: 10=
.5pt; line-height: 1.5;">&nbsp; &nbsp; [Linlin] If only the registrant sho=
uld be verified, I think a domain will not have different statuses contatc=
ts.</span></div><ol class=3D"MailOutline" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin=
-bottom: 0px; list-style-position: inside;"><li class=3D"">What happens to=
 the domain when the contact statuses change? &nbsp;</li></ol><div><span s=
tyle=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;</span><sp=
an style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); font-size: 10.5pt; line-he=
ight: 1.5;">&nbsp; &nbsp; [Linlin] Please see the above answer.</span></di=
v>=0A</div>=0A<div><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; line-height: 1.5;" cl=
ass=3D""><br class=3D"">=0A</span></div>=0A<div><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; line-height: 1.5;" class=3D"">Some of this behavior can be left to=
 server policy and not explicitly defined in the protocol, but it would be=
 good to know how you see this could work. &nbsp;</span></div>=0A<br class=
=3D"">=0A<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; ma=
rgin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.5em;">=0A<div class=3D"">=0A<div class=3D=
"">=0A<div class=3D"">3. Yes, it is specific to China currently. But we do=
n't exclude the possibility to make them as more general drafts if some ot=
her countries also have the verification regulations. Daiming Li mentioned=
 to add some content about verification background=0A as well. I think thi=
s is a good suggestion and a quick update will be posted soon.</div>=0A<di=
v class=3D""><br class=3D"">=0A</div>=0A</div>=0A</div>=0A</blockquote>=0A=
<div><br class=3D"">=0A</div>=0A<div>In the verification code draft we def=
ined the concept of a verification profile, which enables the server to co=
mmunicate the applicable profile and for the client to explicitly specify =
the desired verification profile to apply. &nbsp;You may want to consider=
=0A some sort of similar concept. &nbsp;The question is whether a client c=
an have more than one applicable profile (province or state within a count=
ry), which may not be the case in China but could be elsewhere. &nbsp;</di=
v><div>[Linlin] &nbsp;From my rough understanding, a extensible protocol s=
hould support multiple applicable profiles.</div>=0A<br class=3D"">=0A<blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: =
0px; margin-left: 0.5em;">=0A<div class=3D"">=0A<div class=3D"">=0A<div cl=
ass=3D"">Regards,</div>=0A<hr style=3D"width: 210px; height: 1px;" size=3D=
"1" align=3D"left" class=3D"">=0A<div class=3D""><span class=3D"">=0A<div =
style=3D"MARGIN: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" class=3D"">=
=0A<div class=3D"">Linlin Zhou</div>=0A</div>=0A</span></div>=0A<blockquot=
e style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.5em;" class=
=3D"">=0A<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>=0A<div style=3D"border:none;border-t=
op:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm" class=3D"">=0A<div style=
=3D"padding: 8px; font-size: 12px; font-family: tahoma; background-color: =
rgb(239, 239, 239); background-position: initial initial; background-repea=
t: initial initial;" class=3D"">=0A<div class=3D""><b class=3D"">=E5=8F=91=
=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:JGould@verisign.com=
" class=3D"">Gould, James</a></div>=0A<div class=3D""><b class=3D"">=E5=8F=
=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4=EF=BC=9A</b>&nbsp;2015-12-22&nbsp;05:16</di=
v>=0A<div class=3D""><b class=3D"">=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A</b=
>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:lidaiming@knet.cn" class=3D"">lidaiming</a>;=0A<a=
 href=3D"mailto:zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn" class=3D"">Linlin Zhou</a>; <a href=
=3D"mailto:eppext@ietf.org" class=3D"">=0Aeppext@ietf.org</a></div>=0A<div=
 class=3D""><b class=3D"">=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9A</b>&nbsp;Re: [eppext=
] Fw: I-D Action: draft-zhou-eppext-contact-verification-00.txt</div>=0A</=
div>=0A</div>=0A<div class=3D"">=0A<div class=3D"FoxDiv2015122212521741401=
1" style=3D"border-width: 0px; margin: 12px; line-height: 1.5;">=0A<div st=
yle=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt;" class=3D""><=
font face=3D"=E5=BE=AE=E8=BD=AF=E9=9B=85=E9=BB=91" class=3D""><span style=
=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;" class=3D"">Hi,</span></font>=0A<div style=3D"font-=
family: =E5=BE=AE=E8=BD=AF=E9=9B=85=E9=BB=91; font-size: 10.5pt;" class=3D=
""><br class=3D"">=0A</div>=0A<div style=3D"font-family: =E5=BE=AE=E8=BD=
=AF=E9=9B=85=E9=BB=91; font-size: 10.5pt;" class=3D"">I have a few high le=
vel questions:</div>=0A<div class=3D"">=0A<ol style=3D"margin-top: 0px; ma=
rgin-bottom: 0px; list-style-position: inside;" class=3D"">=0A<li class=3D=
""><font face=3D"=E5=BE=AE=E8=BD=AF=E9=9B=85=E9=BB=91" style=3D"font-size:=
 10pt;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt;" class=3D"">In review=
ing&nbsp;</span></font><span style=3D"font-family: Verdana;" class=3D"">dr=
aft-zhou-eppext-contact-verification and&nbsp;</span><font face=3D"Times N=
ew Roman" size=3D"3" class=3D"">draft-wang-eppext-domain-verification,=0A =
I see only extensions of the query responses (check and info), but I don't=
 see extensions to the transform commands to submit the&nbsp;verification =
material. &nbsp;Do you plan on adding extensions to the transform commands=
 in the existing drafts or creating separate=0A drafts for that purpose? &=
nbsp;</font></li><li class=3D""><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3" =
class=3D"">What is the relationship between the&nbsp;</font><span style=3D=
"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;" class=3D"">draft-zhou-eppext-cont=
act-verification and&nbsp;</span><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"=
 class=3D"">draft-wang-eppext-domain-verification=0A drafts</font><font fa=
ce=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3" class=3D"">? &nbsp;</font></li><li class=
=3D""><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3" class=3D"">Is&nbsp;</font>=
<span style=3D"font-family: Verdana;" class=3D"">draft-zhou-eppext-contact=
-verification and&nbsp;</span><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3" cl=
ass=3D"">draft-wang-eppext-domain-verification only applicable=0A to China=
 verification or is being proposed as more general drafts? &nbsp;I assume =
based on the Informational track that it's specific to China, but there is=
 no reference to China in either draft. &nbsp;</font></li></ol>=0A</div>=
=0A<div class=3D""><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3" class=3D"">Th=
anks,</font></div>=0A<div class=3D""><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=
=3D"3" class=3D""><br class=3D"">=0A</font></div>=0A<div class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3" class=3D"">Jim</font></div>=0A<div sty=
le=3D"font-family: =E5=BE=AE=E8=BD=AF=E9=9B=85=E9=BB=91; font-size: 10.5pt=
;" class=3D""><br class=3D"">=0A<div style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roma=
n'; font-size: 16px;" class=3D"">=0A<hr tabindex=3D"-1" class=3D"">=0A<div=
 id=3D"divRpF493441" style=3D"direction: ltr;" class=3D""><font face=3D"Ta=
homa" size=3D"2" class=3D""><b class=3D"">From:</b> EppExt [<a href=3D"mai=
lto:eppext-bounces@ietf.org" class=3D"">eppext-bounces@ietf.org</a>] on be=
half of lidaiming [<a href=3D"mailto:lidaiming@knet.cn" class=3D"">lidaimi=
ng@knet.cn</a>]<br class=3D"">=0A<b class=3D"">Sent:</b> Monday, December =
21, 2015 9:41 AM<br class=3D"">=0A<b class=3D"">To:</b> Linlin Zhou; <a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:eppext@ietf.org" class=3D"">eppext@ietf.org</a><br class=3D""=
>=0A<b class=3D"">Subject:</b> Re: [eppext] Fw: I-D Action: draft-zhou-epp=
ext-contact-verification-00.txt<br class=3D"">=0A</font><br class=3D"">=0A=
</div>=0A<div class=3D""></div>=0A<div class=3D"">=0A<div class=3D"">Linli=
n,</div>=0A<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>=0A<div class=3D"">Thanks for your =
efforts. </div>=0A<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>=0A<div class=3D"">Since thi=
s draft together with draft-wang-eppext-domain-verification-00 is intended=
 to describe the very EPP extensions relating to verification mechanism in=
 China, you might include their background and usecases in these drafts, t=
o shed light=0A on their applications and implementations.</div>=0A<div cl=
ass=3D"">&nbsp;</div>=0A<div class=3D"">Daiming</div>=0A<div class=3D"">&n=
bsp;</div>=0A<div class=3D"">KNET Technologies</div>=0A<div class=3D"">&nb=
sp;</div>=0A<div class=3D"">=0A<hr style=3D"border-top:#c0c0c0 1px solid; =
height:1px; border-right:0px; border-bottom:0px; border-left:0px" class=3D=
"">=0A</div>=0A<blockquote id=3D"ntes-flashmail-quote" style=3D"font-size:=
 10pt; font-family: Verdana; padding-left: 0px; margin-left: 0.5em; margin=
-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=3D"">=0A<div class=3D""><strong clas=
s=3D"">=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A</strong>"Linlin Zhou" &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn" class=3D"">zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn</a>&gt;<=
/div>=0A<div class=3D""><strong class=3D"">=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=
=97=B4=EF=BC=9A</strong>2015-12-21&nbsp;09:49</div>=0A<div class=3D""><str=
ong class=3D"">=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9A</strong>[eppext] Fw: I-D Action=
: draft-zhou-eppext-contact-verification-00.txt</div>=0A<div class=3D""><s=
trong class=3D"">=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A</strong>"<a href=3D"=
mailto:eppext@ietf.org" class=3D"">eppext@ietf.org</a>"&lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:eppext@ietf.org" class=3D"">eppext@ietf.org</a>&gt;</div>=0A<div class=
=3D""><strong class=3D"">=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81=EF=BC=9A</strong></div>=0A<div=
 class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>=0A<div class=3D"">=0A<div class=3D""><span class=
=3D""></span>The draft of contact verification has been submitted, which i=
s now applied in practice in some registries of China. Any comments are we=
lcome.</div>=0A<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">=0A</div>=0A<div class=3D"">=
Regards,</div>=0A<hr align=3D"left" size=3D"1" style=3D"height:1px; width:=
210px" class=3D"">=0A<div class=3D""><span class=3D"">=0A<div style=3D"fon=
t-size:10pt; font-family:verdana; margin:10px" class=3D"">=0A<div class=3D=
"">Linlin Zhou</div>=0A</div>=0A</span></div>=0A<blockquote style=3D"margi=
n-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.5em; margin-top: 0px;" class=3D"">=0A<div cl=
ass=3D"">&nbsp;</div>=0A<div style=3D"border-top:#b5c4df 1pt solid; border=
-right:medium none; border-bottom:medium none; padding-bottom:0cm; padding=
-top:3pt; padding-left:0cm; border-left:medium none; padding-right:0cm" cl=
ass=3D"">=0A<div style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: tahoma; background=
-color: rgb(239, 239, 239); padding: 8px; background-position: initial ini=
tial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=3D"">=0A<div class=3D""><=
b class=3D"">From:</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" ta=
rget=3D"_blank" class=3D"">internet-drafts</a></div>=0A<div class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Date:</b>&nbsp;2015-12-21&nbsp;09:36</div>=0A<div class=3D""><b=
 class=3D"">To:</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:i-d-announce@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank" class=3D"">i-d-announce@ietf.org</a></div>=0A<div class=3D""><=
b class=3D"">Subject:</b>&nbsp;I-D Action: draft-zhou-eppext-contact-verif=
ication-00.txt</div>=0A</div>=0A</div>=0A<div class=3D"">=0A<div class=3D"=
">&nbsp;</div>=0A<div class=3D"">A New Internet-Draft is available from th=
e on-line Internet-Drafts directories.</div>=0A<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div=
>=0A<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>=0A<div class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Title&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; : Verification Extension for the Extensible Provisioning Proto=
col (EPP) Contact Mapping</div>=0A<div class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Authors&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 : Linlin Zhou</div>=0A<div class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Di Ma</div>=0A<div class=3D"">&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 Wei Wang</div>=0A<div class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ning Kong</div>=0A<div class=3D"">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Xiaodong Lee</div>=0A<div class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; James Galvin</div>=0A<div class=3D=
"">Filename&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : draft-zhou-eppext-=
contact-verification-00.txt</div>=0A<div class=3D"">Pages&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : 17</div>=0A<div class=3D"">D=
ate&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : 20=
15-12-20</div>=0A<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>=0A<div class=3D"">Abstract:<=
/div>=0A<div class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp; This mapping describes an verificatio=
n extension to EPP contact</div>=0A<div class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp; mapping [R=
FC5733].&nbsp; Specified in Extensible Markup Language (XML),</div>=0A<div=
 class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp; this extended mapping is applied to provide addit=
ional features</div>=0A<div class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp; required for the provi=
sioning of contact verification.</div>=0A<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>=0A<d=
iv class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>=0A<div class=3D"">The IETF datatracker status p=
age for this draft is:</div>=0A<div class=3D""><a href=3D"https://datatrac=
ker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhou-eppext-contact-verification/" class=3D"">https=
://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhou-eppext-contact-verification/</a></d=
iv>=0A<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>=0A<div class=3D"">There's also a htmliz=
ed version available at:</div>=0A<div class=3D""><a href=3D"https://tools.=
ietf.org/html/draft-zhou-eppext-contact-verification-00" class=3D"">https:=
//tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhou-eppext-contact-verification-00</a></div>=
=0A<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>=0A<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>=0A<div clas=
s=3D"">Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of s=
ubmission</div>=0A<div class=3D"">until the htmlized version and diff are =
available at <a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org" class=3D"">=0Atools.ietf.or=
g</a>.</div>=0A<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>=0A<div class=3D"">Internet-Dra=
fts are also available by anonymous FTP at:</div>=0A<div class=3D""><a hre=
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