From lars@netapp.com Thu Nov 7 04:15:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ericas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ericas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C8211E813D for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 04:15:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.302, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y-9Us6p7R0Il for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 04:15:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx11.netapp.com (mx11.netapp.com [216.240.18.76]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B8511E819D for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 04:15:12 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,651,1378882800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="70918869" Received: from vmwexceht03-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.241]) by mx11-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2013 04:15:12 -0800 Received: from SACEXCMBX01-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.2.51]) by vmwexceht03-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.241]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 04:15:11 -0800 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Asmic Computers ZA/NG Thread-Topic: [88attendees] wanted: garmin forerunner clip-style charging cable Thread-Index: AQHO26nOF8eJvi7AXECWL2Gre7NKm5oaNMmA Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:15:11 +0000 Message-ID: References: <527AEEB0.7010205@berkeley.edu> <373926617.112869.1383822329081.open-xchange@app03.ox.hosteurope.de> In-Reply-To: <373926617.112869.1383822329081.open-xchange@app03.ox.hosteurope.de> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.104.60.117] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8170A2F3-7A07-4798-B2D7-F2A56F7FD334"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "" Subject: Re: [ericas] [88attendees] wanted: garmin forerunner clip-style charging cable X-BeenThere: ericas@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion list for \"Emerging Regions Internet Challenges And Solutions\" \(ERICAS\) " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 12:15:16 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_8170A2F3-7A07-4798-B2D7-F2A56F7FD334 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, you may be interested in also reaching out via the IRTF's "ERICAS" list = (Emerging Regions Internet Challenges And Solutions) - = http://irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/ericas There are quite a number of folks subscribed there. Lars On 07 Nov 2013, at 3:05, Asmic Computers ZA/NG = wrote: > Hi The African folks@IETF 88,=20 > Is it possible for us to meet for a brief meeting today or tomorrow = (before we all depart to our various destinations)?=20 >=20 > I would be interested in talking to you all on how we can improve on = our representation and contributions to the IETF. It would also be good = to discuss how we can help develop the continent via this network.=20 >=20 > Regards, > Michael > _______________________________________________ > 88attendees mailing list > 88attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/88attendees --Apple-Mail=_8170A2F3-7A07-4798-B2D7-F2A56F7FD334 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCVAwUBUnuETtZcnpRveo1xAQKGyQP+JLZ3xKHix6SW/SmJsQMftTg6rywdBb/R bX6ephB00iqm5ib13+Qoz8QlbwsVg9doBRhGS7az+FxmAKmqF+Nbyj1TM7nRGDaN 4eopJD3ocElfvK39zHtU6GUuMRFLAYP/i3+mdL2RGVq57hFzNTUYyHgCiAONkHGi wVWx43EwNgg= =GpJH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_8170A2F3-7A07-4798-B2D7-F2A56F7FD334-- From asmicom@ngportal.com Thu Nov 7 05:54:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ericas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ericas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34A1121E81B7 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 05:54:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.226 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.226 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.372, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kdwZNQeEexnV for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 05:54:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from wp235.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp235.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42::50ed:84f2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A860321E81AA for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 05:54:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from app03.ox.hosteurope.de ([92.51.170.10]); authenticated by wp235.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_MD5:16) id 1VeQ2A-0001Ej-Ny; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 14:54:06 +0100 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:54:06 +0100 (CET) From: Asmic Computers ZA/NG To: ericas@irtf.org Message-ID: <601482222.123200.1383832446740.open-xchange@app03.ox.hosteurope.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_123199_1279175361.1383832446678" X-Priority: 3 Importance: Medium X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.4.0-Rev16 X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;asmicom@ngportal.com;1383832447;6f8c7d86; Subject: [ericas] AFRICANs @ the IETF 88 X-BeenThere: ericas@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Asmic Computers ZA/NG List-Id: "Discussion list for \"Emerging Regions Internet Challenges And Solutions\" \(ERICAS\) " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 13:54:08 -0000 ------=_Part_123199_1279175361.1383832446678 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi The African folks@IETF 88, Is it possible for us to meet for a brief meeting today or tomorrow (before we all depart to our various destinations)? I would be interested in talking to you all on how we can improve on our representation and contributions to the IETF. It would also be good to discuss how we can help develop the continent via this network. Regards, Michael Adeyeye (Ph.D) ------=_Part_123199_1279175361.1383832446678 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


Hi The African folks@IETF 88,
Is it possible for us to meet for a brief meeting today or tomorrow (before we all depart to our various destinations)?

I would be interested in talking to you all on how we can improve on our representation and contributions to the IETF. It would also be good to discuss how we can help develop the continent via this network.

Regards,

Michael Adeyeye (Ph.D)

------=_Part_123199_1279175361.1383832446678-- From asmicom@ngportal.com Fri Nov 8 05:23:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ericas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ericas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55CEC21E80CB for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 05:23:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.089 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.089 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.091, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qg4dKYEMScyJ for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 05:23:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from wp235.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp235.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42::50ed:84f2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4F811E80FE for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 05:23:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from app01.ox.hosteurope.de ([92.51.170.8]); authenticated by wp235.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_MD5:16) id 1Vem2Q-0005bU-6B; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 14:23:50 +0100 Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 14:23:50 +0100 (CET) From: Asmic Computers ZA/NG To: ericas@irtf.org Message-ID: <1739391563.156317.1383917030190.open-xchange@app01.ox.hosteurope.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_156316_867861823.1383917030105" X-Priority: 3 Importance: Medium X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.4.0-Rev16 X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;asmicom@ngportal.com;1383917031;6e640a89; Subject: [ericas] Fwd: Re: [88attendees] AFRICANs @ the IETF 88 X-BeenThere: ericas@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Asmic Computers ZA/NG List-Id: "Discussion list for \"Emerging Regions Internet Challenges And Solutions\" \(ERICAS\) " List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 13:23:53 -0000 ------=_Part_156316_867861823.1383917030105 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Asmic Computers ZA/NG > To: Spencer Dawkins , "Fred Baker (fred)" > > Cc: "88attendees@ietf.org" <88attendees@ietf.org> > Date: 08 November 2013 at 11:53 > Subject: Re: [88attendees] AFRICANs @ the IETF 88 > > Many thanks goes to Spencer Dawkins and Fred Baker for the non-exhaustive > list of things we should also look into. They are highly informative. > > > There are just so much things to talk about that time wouldn't permit us to > do this morning. > > > Parts of the Agenda::: > 1. Contributing to the IETF: The IETF 88 just showed many of us how ideas are > turned into standards. Wouldn't it be good to see (native) African names on an > RFC, IAB, WG-chairs, e.t.c.? One way of doing so is by having a "fighting > spirit" with continuous mentorship/support from the IETF members & various > bodies. Just before the term "WebRTC or RTCWeb" came into the limelight in > 2011 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebRTC), someone from Africa had earlier > seen a need for it > (http://conferences.sigcomm.org/co-next/2007/papers/studentabstracts/paper23.pdf). > It was in 2007 that the idea first came up and a proof of concept was later > developed (http://bit.ly/R3SFtc). Today, the RTCWeb Working Group is now > standardizing it. It started out as an application (OR an idea) -i.e. > getting SIP into browsers for browser-to-browser communication. I am certain > that there are some many other ideas like that coming out of Africa. We now > need to push ourselves further to get our names there. > > 2. Getting more people involved: AT the moment, over ten people (students, > academics, e.t.c.) from different African countries have asked me how they can > get involved in the IETF activities. SOme other IETF 88 fellows from the > continent have also suggested that we talk about ways of sharing our > experiences. The situation is not peculiar to Africa. Many thanks to the task > force from South America that now wants to guide us on possible > ways/solutions. > > 3. Re-imaging the world's view about Africa: Yes, I used the word "re-image." > I am referring to the computing concept from "virtual images." What people > hear/see about the continent (mostly negative things) is different from what > they see, when the visit (some parts of) the continent. How do we get the > continent to earn its own respect like Asia and South America? (Ref - > http://www.siliconafrica.com/it-takes-a-network-to-beat-a-network/) > > > Please feel free to dump your thoughts as you've been doing..... > > Regards. > > > > On 08 November 2013 at 08:30 Spencer Dawkins > > wrote: > > > > > > On 11/7/2013 8:24 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > > > On Nov 7, 2013, at 3:07 AM, Asmic Computers ZA/NG > > > wrote: > > >> I would be interested in talking to you all on how we can improve on our > > >> representation and contributions to the IETF. It would also be good to > > >> discuss how we can help develop the continent via this network. > > > An important consideration in this is that while your presence in > > > meetings is valuable, your presence on mailing lists is also valuable and > > > comparatively inexpensive. As a first step, you might consider looking > > > through the set of drafts labeled draft-ietf-*.txt, which is to say > > > "working group drafts". Their working group will generally be the third > > > word, like draft-ietf-ospf or draft-ietf-v6ops. Access them online, and, > > > if they interest you, comment on them. The most interesting comments will > > > be those that improve them in some way - identify issues and suggest > > > text. That will get african viewpoints into discussions regarding current > > > work product. > > > > > > BTW, the same goes for south americans and anyone else that feels > > > under-represented. Get involved on mailing lists. > > > > > > Daily news can be found at https://www.ietf.org, and specifically > > > http://tools.ietf.org/dailydose/. It takes a minute to look at it, and > > > from time to time you may find something of interest to comment on. You > > > can also go to http://tools.ietf.org/html/. > > > > > > If you need guidance regarding a given working group, the obvious people > > > to get it from are the chairs, which you can reach by emailing the > > > -chairs@tools.ietf.org list for the working group. For example, if you > > > want to reach the v6ops chairs, email v6ops-chairs@tools.ietf.org. For a > > > list of the working groups and access to their charters and their mailing > > > list membership processes, go to http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/. > > > > > > The next step might include writing your own drafts and submitting them > > > for discussion. But you don't need to rush into that; get a sense of > > > what's going on and then contribute to it. > > > > I agree with Fred's suggestions, and wanted to mention a couple of other > > things ... > > > > If during your checking around you find problems with protocols we're > > working on that don't work in your particular country or environment, > > please tell us. > > > > I'm remembering (possibly dreaming, it's been a long week) that GeoPriv > > was rolling along when someone somewhere in Asia pointed out that in > > their country, and perhaps only in their country, some civic addresses > > included *alleys*, and asked how these addresses should be encoded. If > > we hadn't heard from participants from that country, we wouldn't have > > known until someone tried to deploy products in that country > > (inconveniently late for a standards discussion). > > > > The TSV area has been looking at a tunneling/compression/multiplexing > > proposal (details at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/87/tcmtf.html, and > > this is likely to pop back up at IETF 89 in London, if the BOF > > requestors ask for that). It turns out that we got some support from > > African participants who find it fits their connectivity to the rest of > > the Internet. > > > > You might also check out the discussions to date on the diversity > > mailing list, where people are doing things like asking what it would > > take to set up regional meetings for folks who can't travel to an IETF > > meeting, so that more people can engage and contribute. See > > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/diversity/current/maillist.html for > > the archive. > > > > If you're thinking about how to help people back home who weren't able > > to attend, you might also make use of training materials from the Sunday > > tutorials (for instance, the IETF 87 Newcomer's Training is at > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/87/slides/slides-87-edu-newcomers-4.pdf > > - I just reported that the IETF 88 version returned a 404/not found). > > These aren't all process tutorials, either - for instance, if people > > care about realtime applications and infrastructure, > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/88/slides/slides-88-edu-introtorai-0.pdf > > would be helpful. > > > > I hope this helps you and your colleagues contribute effectively to the > > IETF. > > > > Spencer, in this case, writing as an AD > > > ------=_Part_156316_867861823.1383917030105 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 =20
 
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---------- Original Message ----------
From: Asmic Computers ZA/NG <asmicom@ngportal.com>
To: Spencer Dawkins <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>, "= Fred Baker (fred)" <fred@cisco.com>
Cc: "88attendees@ietf.org" <88attendees@ietf.org>
Date: 08 November 2013 at 11:53
Subject: Re: [88attendees] AFRICANs @ the IETF 88

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Many thanks goes to Spencer Dawkins and Fred Baker for the non-exhausti= ve list of things we should also look into. They are highly informative.
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There are just so much things to talk about that time wouldn't perm= it us to do this morning.
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1. Contributing to the IETF= : The IETF 88 just showed many of us how ideas are turned into stand= ards. Wouldn't it be good to see (native) African names on an RFC, IAB,= WG-chairs, e.t.c.? One way of doing so is by having a "fighting spirit= " with continuous mentorship/support from the IETF members & variou= s bodies. Just before  the term "WebRTC or RTCWeb" came into t= he limelight in 2011 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebRTC), someone from A= frica had earlier seen a need for it (http://conferences.sigcomm.org/co-nex= t/2007/papers/studentabstracts/paper23.pdf). It was in 2007 that the idea f= irst came up and a proof of concept was later developed (http://bit.ly/R3SF= tc). Today, the RTCWeb Working Group is now standardizing it.  It star= ted out as an application (OR an idea) -i.e.  getting SIP into browser= s for browser-to-browser communication. I am certain that there are some ma= ny other ideas like that coming out of Africa. We now need to push ourselve= s further to get our names there.
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2. Getting more people invo= lved: AT the moment, over ten people (students, academics, e.t.c.) f= rom different African countries have asked me how they can get involved in = the IETF activities. SOme other IETF 88 fellows from the continent have als= o suggested that we talk about ways of sharing our experiences. The situati= on is not peculiar to Africa. Many thanks to the task force from South Amer= ica that now wants to guide us on possible ways/solutions.
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3. Re-imaging the world'= ;s view about Africa: Yes, I used the word "re-image." I am = referring to the computing concept from "virtual images."  Wha= t people hear/see about the continent (mostly negative things) is different= from what they see, when the visit (some parts of) the continent.   H= ow do we get the continent to earn its own respect like Asia and South Amer= ica? (Ref - http://www.siliconafrica.com/it-takes-a-network-to-beat-a-netwo= rk/)
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> >> I would be interested in talking to you all on h= ow we can improve on our representation and contributions to the IETF. It w= ould also be good to discuss how we can help develop the continent via this= network.=20
> > An important consideration in this is that while your= presence in meetings is valuable, your presence on mailing lists is also v= aluable and comparatively inexpensive. As a first step, you might consider = looking through the set of drafts labeled draft-ietf-*.txt, which is to say= "working group drafts". Their working group will generally be the = third word, like draft-ietf-ospf or draft-ietf-v6ops. Access them online, a= nd, if they interest you, comment on them. The most interesting comments wi= ll be those that improve them in some way - identify issues and suggest tex= t. That will get african viewpoints into discussions regarding current work= product.=20
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> > BTW, the same goes for south americans and anyone els= e that feels under-represented. Get involved on mailing lists.=20
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> > Daily news can be found at https://www.ietf.org, and = specifically http://tools.ietf.org/dailydose/. It takes a minute to look at= it, and from time to time you may find something of interest to comment on= . You can also go to http://tools.ietf.org/html/.=20
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> > If you need guidance regarding a given working group,= the obvious people to get it from are the chairs, which you can reach by e= mailing the -chairs@tools.ietf.org list for the working group. For example,= if you want to reach the v6ops chairs, email v6ops-chairs@tools.ietf.org. = For a list of the working groups and access to their charters and their mai= ling list membership processes, go to http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/.=20
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> > The next step might include writing your own drafts a= nd submitting them for discussion. But you don't need to rush into that= ; get a sense of what's going on and then contribute to it.=20
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> The TSV area has been looking at a tunneling/compression/mu= ltiplexing=20
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> If you're thinking about how to help people back home w= ho weren't able=20
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