From nobody Mon Nov 13 17:30:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857A6127010 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:30:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.72 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.72 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fastmailteam.com header.b=W57oCZ2Y; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=eKWKAQsP Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R0gCZ0dLCCJ4 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:30:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F43112704B for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:30:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98292104B for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 20:30:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from web6 ([10.202.2.216]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 13 Nov 2017 20:30:05 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= fastmailteam.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date :from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=Wi86o76aF2eeILZw1sAY5w617ASz7JdW7zAgmnegj Hw=; b=W57oCZ2YNnzP5lqzomStRuiWX5ijrQ4eH5C8lSPMUtHwOfHqUFWoYBB5l /kYKyLDw2F/KabwxDYVlslfMOzrefGBaaS490QH5e/fqc69nAWd1pokkEdJzmgz6 ZauTHWQPXGTGZcuHUDUU2KE8PH25DrEQd9iUDxockys0+alio0Q8vq1V4zemLbjd KrgbsyF0CsU2nhfUBVrJKQWuyxXbzfKoXum1Eg2epNbwH3j7poj3ilfIDFkbJiZE 6X5mjwwLQZFVuHCWw5HUQ1pXK/8xhg9az3UQty31dsBPPLS2bovMZvDf9KF3Zx1I 8HqFM5AkfK6MLe6GPlISNz4NFvGcw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=Wi86o76aF2eeILZw1sAY5w617ASz7 JdW7zAgmnegjHw=; b=eKWKAQsP73ZMsxBxujnW9YGNi4xh5W5IQHIsJse1Rw84C LZvw0jxzxmbCtP1kv3lGRxcyFBytifl4U//1+YMm4u14O60b13ZckXoZkAWTGg9y og1MN6dItJBHGEMZChl08PQZGCw8CrXMIv0RYyOajchPC5gvQX8tOIJLD6tcZ6+Q Ho236RDBBJWvAtPsPJpq1e6v9XxrI9Fezpuv2v1U30UWsz3eF7Hoo16/wQNUfdoo WQXHuy4y06nSBbrfCNgXgd+tU6ellun3GnPPuxdnithUPscJFsgFlq4lqQB87mZy gqWPysKvYA+2iATEJg2UDlSGdUTXgmsMlMvpGCB6w== X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id C52C648020; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 20:30:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1510623005.580110.1171521360.271BDF3D@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Bron Gondwana To: extra@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_----------=_15106230055801100" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-f89283c9 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:30:05 +1100 Archived-At: Subject: [Extra] Session tomorrow - 9:30am Singapore time X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 01:30:08 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_15106230055801100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi All, Sorry for being quiet here! Our session is 9:30am tomorrow Singapore time - either in the Orchard room or remotely on meetecho: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf100/extra/ We've got the following drafts: draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit-02[1] *64bit body part and message sizes in IMAP4* 2017-10-28 7 pages I-D Exists WG Document draft-ietf-extra-imap-list-myrights-00[2] *IMAP4 Extension for Returning MYRIGHTS Information in Extended LIST* 2017-09-21 6 pages I-D Exists WG Document draft-ietf-extra-sieve-fcc-00[3] *Sieve Extension: File Carbon Copy (Fcc)* 2017-09-21 6 pages I-D Exists WG Document draft-ietf-extra-sieve-special-use-00[4] *Sieve Email Filtering: Delivering to Special-Use Mailboxes* 2017-09-15 8 pages I-D Exists WG Document Alexey has sent me some slides for 64bit. If anyone else has slides, let me know. There are 8 issues open on github, so we'll go through those as well: https://github.com/ietfextra/tracking/issues Also if you have anything else you want to talk about, I'll pop you on the agenda. We have an hour. Bron. -- Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd brong@fastmailteam.com Links: 1. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit/ 2. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-extra-imap-list-myrights/ 3. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-extra-sieve-fcc/ 4. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-extra-sieve-special-use/ --_----------=_15106230055801100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Hi All,

Sorry for being quiet here!  Our session is 9:30am tomorrow Singapore time - either in the Orchard room or remotely on meetecho:


We've got the following drafts:


64bit body part and message sizes in IMAP4
2017-10-28
7 pages

I-D Exists
WG Document



IMAP4 Extension for Returning MYRIGHTS Information in Extended LIST
2017-09-21
6 pages

I-D Exists
WG Document



Sieve Extension: File Carbon Copy (Fcc)
2017-09-21
6 pages

I-D Exists
WG Document



Sieve Email Filtering: Delivering to Special-Use Mailboxes
2017-09-15
8 pages

I-D Exists
WG Document


Alexey has sent me some slides for 64bit.  If anyone else has slides, let me know. 

There are 8 issues open on github, so we'll go through those as well: https://github.com/ietfextra/tracking/issues

Also if you have anything else you want to talk about, I'll pop you on the agenda.  We have an hour.

Bron.

--
  Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd
  brong@fastmailteam.com


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We never finished it, and the draft got dropped. I'm proposing reviving it here; will folks please take a look and comment?: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leiba-extra-specialuse-important/ Google's server already implements this, and has since we originally made the proposal, I believe. The draft also creates the necessary IANA registry for special-use attributes. Barry From nobody Tue Nov 14 18:37:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944201201F2 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 18:37:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eXs-1gmKFCwl for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 18:37:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qt0-x22a.google.com (mail-qt0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56E64127010 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 18:37:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qt0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id f8so31225232qta.5 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 18:37:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=bj2j/fcs4RO3xjdXsiJJZ3xfmbq6RN8mA3st43JLbEY=; b=G1GhqKy6AaUeQGMwcfEtOD0dmya2FR1U4sLvYvjn33GboPw8iJ85uk6l8RH29hFQ6l 8GmVO7fpwWxnLP0aV80JAtpAxapTaZuCyqKj292PHhUuV8NoiRzTjzBH5/mhsiq9OSFB 5wrUBIQOreywH2FpTSaZiqO1OCRg9zsZyQx8z5JpRSynmGQvtAyFrKTmHINTct3fW6+Q BO4pMO7pU0wXTXzVuf4NVm1eSsvi0jtGsYUC2+6675RP1+w3od0MyHsbHOaqUmXNjXki eeeRgRTPFIzXH71p4n11fON07xqjBzxs91jmgfEiylDjRlsXwF+PEqbQWrcoctMSNfXA QQ8w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=bj2j/fcs4RO3xjdXsiJJZ3xfmbq6RN8mA3st43JLbEY=; b=kDGjwUqPSqD5b5QqUabQef7M2obh+LZ5lPstwTQjVWBxVjvrk76KDltxhmD/AaU1e/ q/5N6UXwIVQc2eRrho3HGAcJ3jNaHefJF/wGx4a1TylY0a8ycmbat0zhRs+9vWSqOVbN oD2Sq5bHYQMJ7771eAihktw8qL/JvRxlJ5QPf22G/mbD4pKoSlrcYtqslpuMmHNndbzw dV1xYzbzSwGjXGxvgL9shdW1TwbMvbNZfbt19yBmZzoknAyWcQPuvksP+ePuMVuhpFdw 0v7+9Fqcud1uYd/920/rqwSwTwPIFnGh4+wc4cy1Kyr3gfdBP8/yYcZCz9rAZf479ZgX aLnQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX4zu1Z/P3qTMolqGoK2beHaXLwgKO5qTgQ8P+nCRy8JPPgPZCdv MRGi6HbgjoKjomyt+frAt2IlTEUXwIUVdFbncSA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbe9FX5aRoEAcGucFuNgbnPR2LZ+kK4YPVHyrV5J1O2xOHBLfykVtNGgB6EZa7QBk+LALaUqRy/yx1oLg1cDAg= X-Received: by 10.55.130.3 with SMTP id e3mr4922929qkd.248.1510713452294; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 18:37:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.200.20.131 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 18:37:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Barry Leiba Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 10:37:31 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: yTHhCENw7cr1rFqee3H7tVVx_j0 Message-ID: To: extra@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Extra] "IMAP $Important Keyword and \Important Special-Use Attribute" X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 02:37:34 -0000 And I already have an -01 version queued up that updates "Applications" Area to "Applications and Real-Time", and that fixes the "Changes..." section. I'll not post it until there's more to post. Barry On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Barry Leiba wrote: > A few years ago, Eric from Google and I worked up the subject > proposal. We never finished it, and the draft got dropped. I'm > proposing reviving it here; will folks please take a look and > comment?: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leiba-extra-specialuse-important/ > > Google's server already implements this, and has since we originally > made the proposal, I believe. > > The draft also creates the necessary IANA registry for special-use attributes. > > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > Extra mailing list > Extra@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/extra From nobody Wed Nov 15 00:30:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 890E412954B for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 00:30:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fastmailteam.com header.b=nTeY0aMm; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=pjC7eEGE Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hDotUgFQinm7 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 00:30:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6759E12953F for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 00:30:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9EE420B44 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 03:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from web4 ([10.202.2.214]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 15 Nov 2017 03:30:36 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= fastmailteam.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date :from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=BQ4FSxlqiSLwcbwdn4Jt7U+OfmfR1iMYgNpoG2vf0 v0=; b=nTeY0aMmMpJwBVjUk7rKmqznBwAtuZdnd+ATR2CHgGXzqQ98H24UORKil rygDgZ3jhGnnHrdeyuVV7kR+V95tbnGF4cPU1WqvP1nX3+xKh75Hs0bMSdQmANP+ XJN3GjDKy8R/uG6tUlIzhKzs6QyELtNG/ZV4qSmUShZsDakPb9nnGRC057D+J2nJ RlwtfAARE2jCIm4ZTmvicxrKXIg/jfVumvcXalhufol/ssv94pW2muFz+Od8sxgm YWdMxkpFVVmIYT/E0G6QAWCRhrxMzydZdvBm/D7xhgv5WBNJG369rVBLX+/FJ9/J BriKQAKfdAv37J00p/qVgDH7wdKvQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=BQ4FSxlqiSLwcbwdn4Jt7U+OfmfR1 iMYgNpoG2vf0v0=; b=pjC7eEGEJJWJByZAosw5ERcTqJ+AceyVo/lWekq1R9C+Z u4bYb1R3TUcqRc8aJmJCnK3pz8JGTtFQbhJ3k/FEXJQEyXyp8qA+Jr8ANadOmOmj albMJN+b08NQv806c+Qx+XGK/XwGWTXvZbFLMFHsqKTp+NpYEQ64NQduIVoh6BKt nMzPUSPlUWXKfrAqZ0pGDi89fVfHSBgGln+ogufBVw1k1BWf3pKLc50lUTT88GaM Ke/HfycnQxCOyyWZeHxyADkVYedQZ942RbFiDAsHObOj2pDfLZp4CTORucFhBgQb MtsZGWE2BffN/KbkM74eZQ7slbjCk7XUjbMYv7DdA== X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id 6A842BAB61; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 03:30:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1510734636.1704307.1173072248.27572238@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Bron Gondwana To: extra@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_----------=_151073463617043071" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-f89283c9 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 16:30:36 +0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Extra] Meeting minutes and notes from today X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 08:30:39 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_151073463617043071 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Meeting minutes (and slides, and agenda) are up! https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/extra/meetings/ *Minutes:* Action Items - Bron will poll the WG list for objections to adopting SAVEDATE and STATUS=SIZE- Barry will bring his IMPORTANT special use extension draft back to life- Discuss Ned's objection about whether IMAP server can do the FCC extension- Wait to address SIEVE EAI until after our current batch of documents is done >From my memory, I also had action points to post each of the current drafts and ask if there are any objections to any of the existing drafts:* * *We believed in the room that these ones are basically done:* https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-extra-imap-list-myrights/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-extra-sieve-special-use/ * * *There is an open question for this one:* https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-extra-sieve-fcc/ Ned Freed objected to supporting :fcc for the REJECT action because it allows the sieve server to "lie" about whether it's keeping a copy of the message. There was debate about whether we should stop people lying at this level, especially since a mail flow could take a copy of every single email before it reached sieve. *Alexey made a mistake in this draft and will update it again! * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-extra-imap-64bit/ but it's pretty much otherwise ready, nobody had any problems with any of the concepts. *Quota * There was discussion of bringing an old RFC2087bis out of mothballs - that may happen after this current round of documents. *SAVEDATE and STATUS=SIZE * These both had broad support in the room, and will be sent to the list for objections, but otherwise will be placed on track for processing before London. *x--msgid and friends * There was discussion of 63bit number vs string, and the consensus in the room was that opaque blob string is best, with the standard specifying a minimum length that clients must support, and a security considerations section suggesting that both ends sanity-check lengths, but not specifying a maximum. These will also be addressed after the current set of documents are added. *IMAP4rev2 * Alexey will spend some time on this, but not today! *Co-Chair* Last but not least, Jiankang Yao has agreed to come onboard as a co-chair for this working group. Thanks Jiankang. * * -- Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd brong@fastmailteam.com --_----------=_151073463617043071 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Meeting minutes (and slides, and agenda) are up!


Minutes:

Action Items

- Bron will poll the WG list for objections to adopting SAVEDATE and STATUS=SIZE
- Barry will bring his IMPORTANT special use extension draft back to life
- Discuss Ned's objection about whether IMAP server can do the FCC extension
- Wait to address SIEVE EAI until after our current batch of documents is done


From my memory, I also had action points to post each of the current drafts and ask if there are any objections to any of the existing drafts:

We believed in the room that these ones are basically done:


There is an open question for this one:


Ned Freed objected to supporting :fcc for the REJECT action because it allows the sieve server to "lie" about whether it's keeping a copy of the message.  There was debate about whether we should stop people lying at this level, especially since a mail flow could take a copy of every single email before it reached sieve.

Alexey made a mistake in this draft and will update it again!


but it's pretty much otherwise ready, nobody had any problems with any of the concepts.

Quota

There was discussion of bringing an old RFC2087bis out of mothballs - that may happen after this current round of documents.

SAVEDATE and STATUS=SIZE

These both had broad support in the room, and will be sent to the list for objections, but otherwise will be placed on track for processing before London.

x-<vendor>-msgid and friends

There was discussion of 63bit number vs string, and the consensus in the room was that opaque blob string is best, with the standard specifying a minimum length that clients must support, and a security considerations section suggesting that both ends sanity-check lengths, but not specifying a maximum.

These will also be addressed after the current set of documents are added.

IMAP4rev2

Alexey will spend some time on this, but not today!

Co-Chair

Last but not least, Jiankang Yao <yaojk@cnnic.cn> has agreed to come onboard as a co-chair for this working group.  Thanks Jiankang.


--
  Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd
  brong@fastmailteam.com


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For the document draft-ietf-extra-sieve-special-use-00:


I am looking for any objections, implementation experience, or comments on the draft.  Also, if you know of an implementation, please add it to the list.  I already know of the following:

* Cyrus IMAPd
* Dovecot

Thanks,

Bron.

--
  Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd
  brong@fastmailteam.com


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For the document draft-ietf-extra-imap-list-myrights:


I am looking for any objections, implementation experience, or comments on the draft.  Also, if you know of an implementation, please add it to the list.  I already know of the following:

* Cyrus IMAPd

(we are using this in production at FastMail to display mailbox readonly state in our web interface)

Thanks,

Bron.

--
  Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd
  brong@fastmailteam.com


--_----------=_151073522317073720-- From nobody Wed Nov 15 00:46:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A9D1200C1 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 00:46:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fastmailteam.com header.b=hnYsG5D7; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=nKfRs2Fd Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B2vPVozfzkfy for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 00:46:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3D521294A4 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 00:46:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03BF520CC8 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 03:46:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from web4 ([10.202.2.214]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 15 Nov 2017 03:46:23 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= fastmailteam.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date :from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=n7Mj9FxGhGOJe40xr6c3o1n2enSsm7E0pQFLk6swD 4Y=; b=hnYsG5D72Jrlk6zwim3vTmkT4N5KoyE8ELqmpF4jnylUWGEHv4tLdxRLD Eqghe6BfPTSSRXWuw7/PWITMV1SowkIOQ9TqeVbbgjGhsl0UV5SVFOV5VMIHQLeK Y556jwJFckK3xHTXKle030tjrx9qnB47fUtzLzxwyP9OrDLQs1QuxKbvG76KIWqG UIgJ7LoaO7dtoGKVNP6x6pb9L2CQNtCHan2etw3GOAyZcyb2u7sJ/asW2vW8HzDN rI6NOKbl0+fyO2OlYQc5Ii1dHlm6I+fC4FNIhjyBAOXnK3+7nhF5Jv1v9dkJpQf1 z2DLEb2ACNIHfBFYGciSO2S4B/18g== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=n7Mj9FxGhGOJe40xr6c3o1n2enSsm 7E0pQFLk6swD4Y=; b=nKfRs2Fd7yB5kZXuTPDQlGi1eQ6WJABPonD9DI3FBRzD+ NmGlFrPMLmGRBrMz/80LKfpLVNZ9bacb17dIEb16Gt4NxAZBFaJgrSnaJTUDAcFk 0yyS8ShdicuEjoI/wY6JLL9u4KGEOoR7QFLIMSh4dr1kKFuo/tk4NflrVxUQIT1l fqih4F/HUKudLTkRGZYDS5m19u0VubvJjt58mhUIGx3p+VDcvGnnFeLfh2jkkRvt 6Hok3S1i5XPaT0Ia+5cGCjPn7rnTZNQCUEi+kRAmZ0hk9//SGe7ObmoYAQQEk+aw NEoaYsHYECS0ih5Vw8coQY0mLtXc8wIZA8VJGIaSQ== X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id DA26CBAB61; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 03:46:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1510735582.1708930.1173097640.724895FD@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Bron Gondwana To: extra@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_----------=_151073558217089302" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-f89283c9 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 16:46:22 +0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Extra] Call for discussion sieve-fcc and reject X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 08:46:25 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_151073558217089302 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This is call for discussion about the sieve fcc draft: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-extra-sieve-fcc-00.txt There was debate about whether :fcc should be allowed on reject. From the document itself: Open Issues o Should :fcc be allowed with reject/ereject? o Should there be a separate capability string for each action that uses :fcc (e.g. "vacation-fcc")? Please reply with your opinions on either of these. As a listed co- author (though Ken did all the work) I will reply with my personal opinions in a moment (switching hats!) Bron. -- Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd brong@fastmailteam.com --_----------=_151073558217089302 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
This is call for discussion about the sieve fcc draft:


There was debate about whether :fcc should be allowed on reject.  From the document itself:

Open Issues

   o  Should :fcc be allowed with reject/ereject?

   o  Should there be a separate capability string for each action that
      uses :fcc (e.g. "vacation-fcc")?

Please reply with your opinions on either of these.  As a listed co-author (though Ken did all the work) I will reply with my personal opinions in a moment (switching hats!)

Bron.

--
  Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd
  brong@fastmailteam.com


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We agreed in the IETF100 meeting to keep the name 64bit despite the 63bit nature of values.

This is a very short document and I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that everyone is happy in principle, so I'm looking for reviews to see if anything has been missed!

Thanks,

Bron.

--
  Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd
  brong@fastmailteam.com


--_----------=_151073578117100540-- From nobody Wed Nov 15 00:58:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A4012947E for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 00:58:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fastmailteam.com header.b=JI0X+OKN; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=Xl1GWy1B Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dMyHm41fLobT for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 00:58:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36DC31292FC for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 00:58:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE0520716 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 03:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from web4 ([10.202.2.214]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 15 Nov 2017 03:58:01 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= fastmailteam.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date :from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=FHTjsKWl/Jsi4tfpnMqWxHJYTfDAZ8igH/WQALgrs tE=; b=JI0X+OKNoQRxmKsBL4t8W0QgEx0kJPtk4lwRgdssh3H05sI+SWh6gsdwP CttwTRMzC2YJL2H9/hteQydc2VtDjBz/Nqv2VK8tPCnsqKp91YkBQXOrJC3emcEp QlYOATDWX2WGnnGXF33u0ZiVFm+T7cHvw/y9XwDw4wTWbA+65yqHwSdT+5AEKhSr SYo1yFF2pveGk6jAh8RA1JRAG0+UhYNJoyacJiPx2DeszpZK0Wu4adv7Q6A0vXyT ImsM+PrhyqbcP4D6urDLNM17lN7ngaVrfxrtKf31Qd3eW5H/acAaLe2Wo3bHnKQT Coht2ENCP8hgOyYZH2ILGnrcu+A0w== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=FHTjsKWl/Jsi4tfpnMqWxHJYTfDAZ 8igH/WQALgrstE=; b=Xl1GWy1BSSFapXWei4BbOIGZTpKoapClsqKY9R2F0s//k 8QePu4uBbOV/rYunYZSBOYtHFU0b/NKSZveQlg3DtM+yhKQ3TU0/jdumEEkmJNq4 XgS27bzO7zU6V7afSxBUxhXDv3QBuirxERbyRCRH0gBkM122ouvRTckdPIkNRtXt XM5FgFsj6PDnhlZgb1DIfjPQo1FqH3SHtTEc11wK1FudDlTi75CtZ71/us4j1gGz OH2oFIGp7XE1WOIkMe0XqmkBjUJe+SqsbYZ9NVKsxVz/RZgb2At4Ac2VXcucQyoz bwj3oxGDW22BInoZUBPO46wk54iAGlCjODSGqS63A== X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id 757A8BAB61; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 03:58:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1510736281.1713781.1173102368.10F6C81D@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Bron Gondwana To: extra@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_----------=_151073628117137810" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-f89283c9 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 16:58:01 +0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Extra] Call for objections to adoption of imap SAVEDATE and STATUS=SIZE X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 08:58:03 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_151073628117137810 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" There are two proposed drafts from the mailing list which the meeting at IETF100 considered to be in scope and had no objections to. This is a call to the mailing list to confirm. If you have any objections to these being brought in as working group drafts, let me know this week. I'll add them next week if there are no objections. Thanks, Bron. -- Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd brong@fastmailteam.com --_----------=_151073628117137810 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
There are two proposed drafts from the mailing list which the meeting at IETF100 considered to be in scope and had no objections to.

This is a call to the mailing list to confirm.  If you have any objections to these being brought in as working group drafts, let me know this week.  I'll add them next week if there are no objections.

Thanks,

Bron.

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  Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd
  brong@fastmailteam.com


--_----------=_151073628117137810-- From nobody Wed Nov 15 08:06:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A03120724 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 08:06:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V79jldqDTqzU for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 08:06:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.dovecot.fi (wursti.dovecot.fi [94.237.32.243]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE171200C5 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 08:06:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from meili (josefsipek.net [71.174.113.7]) by mail.dovecot.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7B7652A6901; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:06:25 +0200 (EET) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:06:21 -0500 From: Josef 'Jeff' Sipek To: Barry Leiba Cc: extra@ietf.org Message-ID: <20171115160621.GC17058@meili> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.3 (2017-05-23) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Extra] "IMAP $Important Keyword and \Important Special-Use Attribute" X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 16:06:28 -0000 On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 10:37:31 +0800, Barry Leiba wrote: > And I already have an -01 version queued up that updates > "Applications" Area to "Applications and Real-Time", and that fixes > the "Changes..." section. I'll not post it until there's more to > post. My only concern here is that the distinction between $Important and \Flagged is a bit confusing. The draft tries to explain the difference, but I fear that MUA authors will not read the text as thoroughly as they should and conclude that "the user clicked on the 'star' because the user thinks it is an important email - $Important it is!"... totally missing \Flagged. FWIW, the \Flagged definition in RFC 6154 doesn't help this at all: This mailbox presents all messages marked in some way as "important". This is an unfortunate wording. Anyway, overall I like this and the only issues I spotted are in section 5.1. There seem to be strange linebreaks: "Adviso\nry" "Appli\ncations" Jeff. > On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Barry Leiba wrote: > > A few years ago, Eric from Google and I worked up the subject > > proposal. We never finished it, and the draft got dropped. I'm > > proposing reviving it here; will folks please take a look and > > comment?: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leiba-extra-specialuse-important/ > > > > Google's server already implements this, and has since we originally > > made the proposal, I believe. > > > > The draft also creates the necessary IANA registry for special-use attributes. > > > > Barry > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Extra mailing list > > Extra@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/extra > > _______________________________________________ > Extra mailing list > Extra@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/extra -- Fact: 22.3% of all statistics are generated randomly. From nobody Wed Nov 15 18:29:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD050120227 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:29:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.72 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.72 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fastmailteam.com header.b=Ykvkn41O; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=QMKKhwrm Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kwyOwRJhJtq5 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:29:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BCAE126CC4 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:29:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from betaweb1.internal (betaweb1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.10]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC57120BE8 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 21:29:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from betaweb1 ([::ffff:10.202.2.10]) by betaweb1.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 15 Nov 2017 21:29:15 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= fastmailteam.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date :from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=O2xQMRCh5EehzKJIT zP2h48/uaFwwynf/SCh9NSvj3M=; b=Ykvkn41OtdtOTqT3VhdsLH3DV5MDXNgwA HXOrqNumYnvk9zvrGRkhvWvYVndfgGGM4otMIXQNQISweaR6O3DwsqeMbUN4e+IV mdMpbFcPK47rpdeGNKh7k2iaUgFsmnaQzbhtnbfa9RIAKjgtnuPfyzc/+4nPAUMG K01Q/0LjKwX4MD06dMm7MYchWKimasDPNm+VLvb8sWPe1JYo7iACsYnZ+Tuwagyo u7QPrdvWeDL+ed9/nbtGljIjQj5xLgxOuciSlPEuzaoRRvOF0Od+It20NmF9ica0 xqOKIwWioXGVtifoFa2M/7hebdK9+M71LG1bYAQeX2PzInmd87h1A== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=O2xQMR Ch5EehzKJITzP2h48/uaFwwynf/SCh9NSvj3M=; b=QMKKhwrmfDYYj3wwM3usoJ iKiZ7UjMvz2hr750Cr3IGyA84wWfLNfgHVCKKunOt8OQC7SwMbM9+DboEPr+5dRK /J9lujFmqMa1bmZRcpRADxgm3vBdt/HY6uHxxBhW3t+jiFr/WHnIgp+7Vr+NmBdh NTXgpuFw5zjX83TCqWMDPkb2Xu2vvUkXwIJVdtUOgvSeczMxzdLh49zmToKSPAjn IghOQD0pKysGP2Gq+zkrEEQvdMW56TbMV4TuZxEIAXJaWIxOqKOq4Ee6cDqFeEWt oLA1NPkV8Vvcx9z1U7uZ4gaYyaQt4m1lSzxzKcxSZhjhBGYdnuVhjDZJUdoiy2iA == X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id A85E3E22A9; Wed, 15 Nov 2017 21:29:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1510799355.3640467.1174131992.15AF5270@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Neil Jenkins To: extra@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_----------=_151079935536404672" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-bd3ce600 References: <20171115160621.GC17058@meili> In-Reply-To: <20171115160621.GC17058@meili> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 10:29:15 +0800 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Extra] "IMAP $Important Keyword and \Important Special-Use Attribute" X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 02:29:18 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_151079935536404672 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On Thu, 16 Nov 2017, at 12:06 AM, Josef 'Jeff' Sipek wrote: > My only concern here is that the distinction between $Important and > \Flagged is a bit confusing. I agree the naming is a bit annoying, but I think the difference can be made clear: * \Flagged: the user explicitly marked this as important. * $Important: the server (using some unspecified algorithm) marked this as important. (Of course, clients may be able to help train the server by allowing users to toggle the $Important flag on messages the server miscategorised, which does blur the distinction somewhat=E2=80=A6) > FWIW, the \Flagged definition in RFC 6154 doesn't help this at all: >=20 > This mailbox presents all messages marked in some way as > "important". >=20 > This is an unfortunate wording. Ouch, agreed. Overall though I'm in favour of this draft, and an IANA registry for specia= l- use names is definitely a step forward (we'll use it for JMAP too). Neil. --_----------=_151079935536404672 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
On Thu, 16 Nov 2017, at 12:06 AM, Josef 'Jeff' Sipek wrote:
<= /div>
My only concern here is that the distinction= between $Important and
\Flagged is a bit confusing.

I agree the naming is a bit annoying, but I think the difference can b= e made clear:

  • \Flagged: the user explicitly marked this as important.
    • $Important: the server (using some unspecified algorithm) marked this as i= mportant.

(Of course, clients may be able to help train the server by allowing u= sers to toggle the $Important flag on messages the server miscategorised, w= hich does blur the distinction somewhat=E2=80=A6)

FWIW, the \Flagged definition in RFC 6154 do= esn't help this at all:

This mailbox presents all messages marked in some way as
"important".

This is an unfortunate wording.

Ouch, agreed.

Overall though I'm in favour of this draft, and an IANA registry for s= pecial-use names is definitely a step forward (we'll use it for JMAP too).<= br>

Neil.
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Hi,

On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:30 AM, Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmailteam.com> wrote:

There is an open question for this one:


Ned Freed objected to supporting :fcc for the REJECT action because it allows the sieve server to "lie" about whether it's keeping a copy of the message.  There was debate about whether we should stop people lying at this level, especially since a mail flow could take a copy of every single email before it reached sieve.

I haven't been able to watch any video of the meeting yet, but would it be fair to say the main points of this debate were laid out in this thread on the Sieve mailing list earlier this year?



Thanks,
Stan
--Apple-Mail-4979EDE2-31CC-403F-A560-FB9A8F1D7A1B-- From nobody Mon Nov 20 04:07:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: extra@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34BC912954D for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 04:07:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fastmailteam.com header.b=BHO1EJaw; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=ZkiKmFHv Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MF8puQTo3a6u for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 04:07:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EAA012954C for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 04:07:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF8D20B4D for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 07:07:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from web4 ([10.202.2.214]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 20 Nov 2017 07:07:27 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= fastmailteam.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date :from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=cw91T/A7BWG2649iO 6dd2UsXD+CuDfsfdDRqh97S8mQ=; b=BHO1EJawi1kilclXn6oMukKBjxjAPmudm 72TagQFfWbx7xU89NvH/dkHIGOWFccqMOj3GkfNp2I4HC8uB2Zo4RHXr2dHOBzm8 d66E8bJPKij+uBB/0WMoMqlgEtTUe+MLDNsTXp04QGu7F0Z7BrVxbzub5S1UvJ3P vHpkJhWDgtc17nT/Tnd6WuIq12Hm+Hpf1v9jHc/KW9A5DdaWTmXnVvoX/yOBL07M XvhHKJqHROKVi3LzvvY1Z16I4no44X+Oc22k0IWySp8TjDU34sYjpsrX9dxnkEOS 4dJVhD0w+NcrRvj842FcI0vcnAS4bQRSSxsecm5Q6zTus47Tgh/Zg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=cw91T/ A7BWG2649iO6dd2UsXD+CuDfsfdDRqh97S8mQ=; b=ZkiKmFHvyfRBUJ6brinY+R WGXOy589H1J8o/7humVaOHOqTconwtVuwkwRsqHALaETw3XjQfLnFIu22/+mer/U loRgvFicd0FoKcp/4qqK8J07TChMm6axpsyAro/XveKWOID2he7l8lUkIOpgedXN MNnHQmwJLMqfXVrU+D7vBDfj3RJCkDjBmiTYS6QtvhAgEd0tSZj/gz7r2ZYi6aV9 JflRLfoPWO+AOkkjZpKznLnp4Y11y+2NCTG1/Ip7YN/190B39pa9OdWDc43SnkE4 80ZdXtdaO7DEFpceWwdqMMGmA/EYN7qOLDaG3leMzJqzHzpurwTvMJR7Ug0roVlg == X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id AEDFABAB63; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 07:07:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1511179647.2291053.1178365312.3C1B0441@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Bron Gondwana To: extra@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_----------=_151117964722910530" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-a169161c In-Reply-To: <1510736281.1713781.1173102368.10F6C81D@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1510736281.1713781.1173102368.10F6C81D@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 23:07:27 +1100 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Extra] Call for objections to adoption of imap SAVEDATE and STATUS=SIZE X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:07:30 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_151117964722910530 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I didn't see any objections. Uploading now. Bron. On Wed, 15 Nov 2017, at 19:58, Bron Gondwana wrote: > There are two proposed drafts from the mailing list which the meeting > at IETF100 considered to be in scope and had no objections to.> > This is a call to the mailing list to confirm. If you have any > objections to these being brought in as working group drafts, let me > know this week. I'll add them next week if there are no objections.> > Thanks, > > Bron. > > -- > Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd > brong@fastmailteam.com > > -- Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd brong@fastmailteam.com --_----------=_151117964722910530 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
I didn't see any objections.  Uploading now.

Bron.


On Wed, 15 Nov 2017, at 19:58, Bron Gondwana wrote:
There are two proposed drafts from the mailing list which the meeting at IETF100 considered to be in scope and had no objections to.

This is a call to the mailing list to confirm.  If you have any objections to these being brought in as working group drafts, let me know this week.  I'll add them next week if there are no objections.

Thanks,

Bron.

--
  Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd
  brong@fastmailteam.com



--
  Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd
  brong@fastmailteam.com


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boundary=Apple-Mail-4A37B53D-5456-4096-8424-04EE32970628 Message-Id: <53B61441-E315-411B-ADC9-C89341437E37@glyphein.mailforce.net> Cc: extra@ietf.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13G36) From: Stan Kalisch Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 14:49:35 -0500 To: Bron Gondwana Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Extra] Call for objections and implementation experience: imap-list-myrights X-BeenThere: extra@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Email mailstore and eXtensions To Revise or Amend List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:49:40 -0000 --Apple-Mail-4A37B53D-5456-4096-8424-04EE32970628 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, > On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:40 AM, Bron Gondwana wrote:= >=20 > For the document draft-ietf-extra-imap-list-myrights: >=20 > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-extra-imap-list-myrights-00.txt >=20 > I am looking for any objections, implementation experience, or comments on= the draft. I had a look at this draft, and it looks fine to me. The only nit I found i= s in Section 4, Line 119. Unless I missed something when I went back over t= he ABNFs, there should be only one space between ""."" and ""INBOX"", not tw= o. Thanks, Stan > Also, if you know of an implementation, please add it to the list. I alre= ady know of the following: >=20 > * Cyrus IMAPd >=20 > (we are using this in production at FastMail to display mailbox readonly s= tate in our web interface) >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Bron. >=20 > -- > Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd > brong@fastmailteam.com >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Extra mailing list > Extra@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/extra --Apple-Mail-4A37B53D-5456-4096-8424-04EE32970628 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi,

On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:40 AM, Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmailteam.com> wrote:

For the document draft-ietf-extra-imap-list-myrights:


I am looking for any objections, implementation experience, or comments on the draft.

I had a look at this draft, and it looks fine to me.  The only nit I found is in Section 4, Line 119.  Unless I missed something when I went back over the ABNFs, there should be only one space between ""."" and ""INBOX"", not two.


Thanks,
Stan

Also, if you know of an implementation, please add it to the list.  I already know of the following:

* Cyrus IMAPd

(we are using this in production at FastMail to display mailbox readonly state in our web interface)

Thanks,

Bron.

--
  Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd


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The only nit I > found is in Section 4, Line 119. Unless I missed something when I > went back over the ABNFs, there should be only one space between ""."" > and ""INBOX"", not two. Yep, I see what you mean. That's definitely wrong. Our server does the right thing: . LIST "" % RETURN (MYRIGHTS SPECIAL-USE) * LIST (\HasChildren) "/" INBOX * MYRIGHTS INBOX lrswipkxtecdn * LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" AICSA * MYRIGHTS AICSA lrswipkxtecdn * LIST (\HasChildren \Archive) "/" Archive * MYRIGHTS Archive lrswipkxtecdn or in the other namespace: . LIST "" % RETURN (MYRIGHTS SPECIAL-USE) * LIST (\HasChildren) "." INBOX * MYRIGHTS INBOX lrswipkxtecdn * LIST (\NonExistent \HasChildren) "." user * MYRIGHTS user lrsp . OK Completed (0.002 secs 98 calls) > > Thanks, > Stan > >> Also, if you know of an implementation, please add it to the list. I >> already know of the following:>> >> * Cyrus IMAPd >> >> (we are using this in production at FastMail to display mailbox >> readonly state in our web interface)>> >> Thanks, >> >> Bron. Ken, could you please upload a fixed version with the space removed. Jiankang, once that's done, and any other nits ready, if you could shepherd this one that would be great. Cheers, Bron. -- Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd brong@fastmailteam.com --_----------=_15112178389154032 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, at 06:49, Stan Kalisch wrote:
Hi,

On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:40 AM, Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmailteam.com> wrote:
For the document draft-ietf-extra-imap-list-myrights:


I am looking for any objections, implementation experience, or comments on the draft.

I had a look at this draft, and it looks fine to me.  The only nit I found is in Section 4, Line 119.  Unless I missed something when I went back over the ABNFs, there should be only one space between ""."" and ""INBOX"", not two.

Yep, I see what you mean.  That's definitely wrong.  Our server does the right thing:

. LIST "" % RETURN (MYRIGHTS SPECIAL-USE)
* LIST (\HasChildren) "/" INBOX
* MYRIGHTS INBOX lrswipkxtecdn
* LIST (\HasNoChildren) "/" AICSA
* MYRIGHTS AICSA lrswipkxtecdn
* LIST (\HasChildren \Archive) "/" Archive
* MYRIGHTS Archive lrswipkxtecdn

or in the other namespace:

. LIST "" % RETURN (MYRIGHTS SPECIAL-USE)
* LIST (\HasChildren) "." INBOX
* MYRIGHTS INBOX lrswipkxtecdn
* LIST (\NonExistent \HasChildren) "." user
* MYRIGHTS user lrsp
. OK Completed (0.002 secs 98 calls)


Thanks,
Stan

Also, if you know of an implementation, please add it to the list.  I already know of the following:

* Cyrus IMAPd

(we are using this in production at FastMail to display mailbox readonly state in our web interface)

Thanks,

Bron.

Ken, could you please upload a fixed version with the space removed.

Jiankang, once that's done, and any other nits ready, if you could shepherd this one that would be great.

Cheers,

Bron.

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  Bron Gondwana, CEO, FastMail Pty Ltd
  brong@fastmailteam.com


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