From adrian@olddog.co.uk Sun Nov 4 11:27:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211AB21F8724 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:27:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.32 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.32 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.279, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1-5LpL7ytYdP for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:27:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E8B21F872E for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:27:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qA4JRQ0T026509 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 19:27:26 GMT Received: from 950129200 (dhcp-13b5.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.19.181]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qA4JRO30026499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 19:27:25 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 19:27:25 -0000 Message-ID: <00f701cdbac2$6cdda820$4698f860$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac26wldLZdkgIRizQq2rFg2l0fDelA== Content-Language: en-gb Subject: [forces] Discussing Errata on RFC5812 X-BeenThere: forces@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: ForCES WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 19:27:29 -0000 Hi, Evangelos raised http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?eid=3371 I'd welcome some opinions. There are three parts to this: 1. Page 65 OLD lists the allowed frame formats... NEW MAY lists the allowed frame formats... END 2. Page 65 NEW The element MUST contain at least either a frame format or a metadata. END 3. Page 95 For the XML schema: Page 95 OLD NEW END The first two items suggest that the intent is that contains one or both of frame format and metadata What does the WG feel is the intent here? The third issue looks like a technical change (albeit a small one). Cheers, Adrian From joel@stevecrocker.com Sun Nov 4 11:33:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1AD021F8698 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:33:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DSL=1.129] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1g3PUGhBKRny for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:33:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from execdsl.com (remote.shinkuro.com [50.56.68.178]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A0421F84C8 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:33:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [130.129.32.242] (account joel@stevecrocker.com [130.129.32.242] verified) by execdsl.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPSA id 20921974; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 19:35:33 +0000 Message-ID: <5096C312.1000806@stevecrocker.com> Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 14:33:38 -0500 From: Joel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk References: <00f701cdbac2$6cdda820$4698f860$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <00f701cdbac2$6cdda820$4698f860$@olddog.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: forces@ietf.org Subject: Re: [forces] Discussing Errata on RFC5812 X-BeenThere: forces@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: ForCES WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 19:33:51 -0000 My understanding of the intent o the WG was not to require frame formats allowed. Some LFBs don't have input. Some don't have output. Some don't have either. SO I think these changes are correct. While item 3 looks technical, it is simply aligning the XML with that intent. Yours, Joel On 11/4/2012 2:27 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi, > > Evangelos raised http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?eid=3371 > > I'd welcome some opinions. > > There are three parts to this: > > 1. Page 65 > > OLD > lists the allowed frame formats... > NEW > MAY lists the allowed frame formats... > END > > 2. Page 65 > > NEW > The element MUST contain at least either a frame format or a > metadata. > END > > 3. Page 95 > > For the XML schema: > Page 95 > OLD > > NEW > > END > > The first two items suggest that the intent is that contains one or > both of frame format and metadata > What does the WG feel is the intent here? > > The third issue looks like a technical change (albeit a small one). > > Cheers, > Adrian > > _______________________________________________ > forces mailing list > forces@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/forces > From hadi@mojatatu.com Wed Nov 7 03:43:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC2921F8536 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2012 03:43:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iJnLXFzGEM+Z for ; 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Wed, 7 Nov 2012 03:43:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jamal Hadi Salim Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 06:43:10 -0500 Message-ID: To: forces@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmDws6RxAuvY1bu51wbKdlangBfYoakPfFuWiS0F8wa4wTVw9JHW/e0wDkc3+Q0+7yMPonn Subject: [forces] soliciting for scribe X-BeenThere: forces@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: ForCES WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:43:31 -0000 Looking for a volunteer to take minutes at the meeting. cheers, jamal From hadi@mojatatu.com Wed Nov 7 06:55:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B75E621F8722 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2012 06:55:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GOmYLqD1BgK8 for ; 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Wed, 7 Nov 2012 06:54:37 -0800 (PST) From: Jamal Hadi Salim Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 09:54:37 -0500 Message-ID: To: forces@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkIstz+UcGDPTX9zg44adgNTWOlMgWwvVXH8prYE7keJ+gIkW7sS4zW/ZfYVeC1bHStQiPy Subject: [forces] slides uploaded X-BeenThere: forces@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: ForCES WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 14:55:07 -0000 Folks, Slides have been uploaded - one set on the demo missing but plan to have it there by meeting time. Still looking for a scribe ... cheers, jamal From hadi@mojatatu.com Wed Nov 7 08:36:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F2B21F8BD5 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2012 08:36:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IUFRlLjNN-YS for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2012 08:36:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6108721F865C for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2012 08:36:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ob0-f172.google.com with SMTP id v19so1960482obq.31 for ; Wed, 07 Nov 2012 08:36:07 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=QeA2LN96uEmq7MhPSfNt6IKKOzpOY5MDnf62FhAHa2g=; b=itn155AqZ3OpPvmtz76DgLfneysbUfIBDBVIlQS8vEqWqRm8KfmXmWuPAb9janlCUx FoS/ovBH8jDDieKQrqs6FqCS1icOXVmiBZLqkYroDtwILGd65a5yuyUOumAbkWfHTZqJ JlWQ2SJkuR/XhPPmxv6pdc4mCosHcQnl1g4v3hDuiJBR1d+k09gxAR6V9StFwI8UGGAN 6sOVBd9KVNKiWJvu+9N6waB7wv4phGFY8YSiEUsUe3qU3Mka1wE6UTy9+4A2tm+mlTiI jpRmHAzqMypunYf0GCQC4ohHh/3NWLloD9MFSyAi7cZ9frX55hTOgxBH39nG/wB3cj2n QlWg== Received: by 10.60.171.134 with SMTP id au6mr2493293oec.69.1352306166595; Wed, 07 Nov 2012 08:36:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.137.168 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Nov 2012 08:35:46 -0800 (PST) From: Jamal Hadi Salim Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 11:35:46 -0500 Message-ID: To: forces@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmDWn+hMqXbpq/EwDY1JD3ikeWINEjw+EsuMhoZbB54lXbomgCDxgGyROXqs5xvERQ3HCH+ Subject: [forces] UQAM forces demo X-BeenThere: forces@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: ForCES WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:36:08 -0000 Folks, The UQAM demo which will be presented at the tail end of today will also be available tomorrow in Salon E between 15:10 to 17:20. Come see this interesting combining of how ForCES can be made to run an OF datapath on a 100Gbps device. cheers, jamal From hadi@mojatatu.com Thu Nov 8 09:40:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3204C21F8533 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:40:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.233 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.233 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.744, BAYES_05=-1.11, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4XALFRCxm9mA for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:40:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 028DA21F852C for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:40:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ob0-f172.google.com with SMTP id v19so3360985obq.31 for ; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:40:18 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=uDjLgAhX0JdnXIopACd0t6M8PG2yDbIgDHUXiwE8XqI=; b=V4Cgmouy9UDEsa7eGMJ03ybQfkqwW5QptN9nWrB4kqYPJt4GemTNBSpi5cAiYzwN8h QQbW+Yjp+YOGVkrbWgx+A7cCezRLyICvTKOdRLXtWQlMexwjGIs6mq2YC14yU/iIOvOU v0+WsmOwIYnY1jws0kxGeijwF1KWQLA3Z9xxbB3rra6E9vqS3kKlft03RdwTDqQs0cNW CgBcMZyzmFNpT4wSQli1fD5DItD0DCYAryfN+iXuAI2aSpkBwHqC6wPO+HAMiY+04uzP vrJpIHquRRLTpXoi4Qq1xsCKpt6/F2tTE7dC41XjhHy2YCZi55uLr/A8eI+svBk6ZBZ1 /F+Q== Received: by 10.60.169.198 with SMTP id ag6mr5514201oec.35.1352396418387; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:40:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.137.168 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 09:39:58 -0800 (PST) From: Jamal Hadi Salim Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 12:39:58 -0500 Message-ID: To: forces@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmdT8ndIkMP34p7wKyftU8j2n5zlmri12Ov7NX+7vYoZy92EywBZmQ7biwTnGP/wo5irH9W Subject: [forces] UQAM forces demo X-BeenThere: forces@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: ForCES WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 17:40:23 -0000 Folks, Just a reminder that UQAM is giving their demo at Salon E this afternoon 1510 to1720. Come see a simple app using ForCES on an OpenFlow Datapath on a 100G capacity device. cheers, jamal From hadi@mojatatu.com Tue Nov 13 08:33:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B9F621F8718 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:33:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.841 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.841 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.136, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TEVqOna+s6my for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:33:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B162021F880B for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:33:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ob0-f172.google.com with SMTP id ef5so746529obb.31 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:33:15 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=KVXgVY3kAOazQSdFGgKi1nVheKMtl/xu04zbR+1Z/84=; b=YhUgDEgcF98bA8tmj9GqU2mrGIQlChrPRJgy4RnPrQioqesvR1NYeF9iPyEWSZIqmb Ye0G7PozAn44eU8IN7NVt8PkkQE3g3DbsdJR9Kjt9aDbxWsbViBu88xLFOyHjb0X1PR9 Eg9RLqbhlcHXoTj3EbbSF9hUwqM9ZV1TP+T8NAeYRi7P8f5nUnOJvwzsFvR5e0qIs5YT 8KHwh297iKjKd4D+YIg9et8IKNqPcW2019KNmpa5d22u4M3EdKzio9fDQ+H3E94Z1mM1 dM7a8+H5uPEpIbHiaTXPZsrOsvMd5dcHfKEyLsAZamRFB1KM0bf4gWMTzL0f1MRaALsS y+XA== Received: by 10.182.146.107 with SMTP id tb11mr18356501obb.30.1352824394830; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:33:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.2.97 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:32:54 -0800 (PST) From: Jamal Hadi Salim Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:32:54 -0500 Message-ID: To: forces@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl2XUTBgUvHuwmK8S80d2daZ8vnq6/uIV9cCJe4xnvKVBTFU08FiYSOI88lrvr3mn1WRvVK Subject: [forces] minutes uploaded X-BeenThere: forces@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: ForCES WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:33:18 -0000 I have uploaded the preliminary version of the minutes. If you see something missed please let me know. Much thanks to David Lamparter for capturing the discussion. The minutes can be found at: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/85/minutes/minutes-85-forces cheers, jamal From hadi@mojatatu.com Tue Nov 27 18:30:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2D921F87B0 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:30:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id chhhdrBJvmRm for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:30:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B8221F8760 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:30:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ob0-f172.google.com with SMTP id v19so1057123obq.31 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:30:23 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=n0BeSoRM5bZMLNTIURWJfDL3ofF8GmarbbWAhdwCEHY=; b=WqpbpdlnFOjP3VcoiXJjLCBWFmtCpPtyt0tVTmRTbZgMi4JuvhG6WNrCtc6ZoNA7s+ n5xtOgGCDCoEA0Q87k+DQFe7ENIwjo2b1rUxu+BkUQyn84P78pNOkCB8tB09sPq/xXM/ VRWmTBrGiTpkXwxuIygZlG5rpsdbTGFjRlZWAHPptB1mTT3GLwgHwZPTZ8dTFQp93agT SV68weUZHVjnqiapYsXpuC5KGRifUZXObpxyLVeO8f98BGmuGXKDJJegDnWfxt78zXVK LvJmEjDh5tD+Xtp91nIca4l4QyEc2Yx5KYbhwFtkiBgXrOA/A8Ra8FhtGYAUzKTg9aVq SJwA== Received: by 10.182.95.205 with SMTP id dm13mr1616662obb.9.1354069823147; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:30:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.76.106 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:30:01 -0800 (PST) From: Jamal Hadi Salim Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:30:01 -0500 Message-ID: To: forces@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnFaEOblEaY/wGmGnlAJjQBbOAybDgqpjjYxpPG/dsOURw9KjMi8vA8Pbx5Wc2eUcFPAmfF Subject: [forces] Poll for interest X-BeenThere: forces@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: ForCES WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 02:30:24 -0000 At the last meeting, the AD requested we do a poll to see if there was any interest in new work for ForCES. We need to demonstrate there is sufficient interest for this work to proceed. Over the next little while i will make postings on the WG list on all the items that are considered new work which i am aware of (some of which were presented at the last meeting). I will space these postings out over days so each message doesnt get lost in the noise. For each item, I will describe: 1) What it is 2) Why it is needed I will pose the question so that anyone awake will respond that they a) are interested in doing the work b) will review the work c) find the work interesting and it should be done in the WG d) do not think we should do this work I realize this is harder than asking folks to raise their hands at a meeting but please try to say something if you feel strongly about any activity listed. cheers, jamal From hadi@mojatatu.com Tue Nov 27 18:42:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D0621F8738 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:42:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RSsOgYm0vThw for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:42:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C4B21F8767 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:42:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ob0-f172.google.com with SMTP id v19so1065146obq.31 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:42:30 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=9tkqM7n6vWY4pPLXD6p+zF6HTPqnd6f1z1QyfelBsRM=; b=lY1xYv9tQzAIdECIBxTZ3vYFERDg9T4yNUrZq2mbsKRlZRPvCzsPDcndCyNqCO41xk 6z/jjSdHN9pZiawccRee7c6ucQE50yPkOAeeCPf+WSmspPc9vqFtruP3LL0bYyfWtVal u86nfmWN7zD4ladTn6M15VbaQacBS7rrAgjoFbC0wXS1ETQiIPajRvV5FeL30FxzMtTV i28NCvioWODjxTKNDtZUEeIsqApYZCf1cYQHBASMpC+xMTSBCRScr/3y31B4PzI+b5H2 3q+IowiAa4eh6RSKTcrM5oC7k9zXTA5pVXVn5rm4Xe0mc4muSohEruTlywrA9X1fWR15 pWAg== Received: by 10.60.13.198 with SMTP id j6mr14720874oec.51.1354070549926; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:42:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.76.106 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:42:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Jamal Hadi Salim Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:42:09 -0500 Message-ID: To: forces@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlV8IR9pLxcgp1uONhSCJmxbnXZXQ4AW4zCT26PvdZr+C637x74S/SHT1l+/3IczgRPimSu Subject: Re: [forces] Poll for interest X-BeenThere: forces@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: ForCES WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 02:42:31 -0000 And here's my current list of items. Please let me know if i left your favorite item. As i said earlier i will be posting details on each starting tommorow 1) ForCES Model Extension 2) ForCES Model LFB Parallelization 3) InterFE LFB 4) XEM interface 5) Northbound interface/Services definition 6) CE CE interface 7) Network virtualization 8) Credential sub-system 9) OF connection 10) Various LFBs to parallel netmod port, IP, route yang models. 11) Multi-CE configuring a single FE. 12) New Simplified SCTP TML cheers, jamal From damascene.joachimpillai@verizon.com Tue Nov 27 19:33:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D7BD21F84BC for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 19:33:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.515 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.515 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.083] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9OWnG9uT2G+T for ; 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Wed, 28 Nov 2012 05:13:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fLdt81pyqbOD for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 05:13:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bk0-f44.google.com (mail-bk0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE00821F8810 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 05:13:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-bk0-f44.google.com with SMTP id w11so6410472bku.31 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 05:13:07 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=9FVohxH5IYZKKIg7Xx020JvEyEYZJ3LxLs/JRnnomJ0=; 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The AD, i believe, likes to see activity on the list. I hope you'll have the energy and patience to respond to all the items of interest. cheers, jamal On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Joachimpillai, Damascene M wrote: > Jamal, > > As you may already know I am interested in quite a bit of these topics. > Inter FE LFB, Multiple CE are items that are quite required and I hope to > spend time and effort on it. Please let me know how I can help > > Thanks > DJ > > > > Sent with Good (www.good.com) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jamal Hadi Salim [hadi@mojatatu.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 09:42 PM Eastern Standard Time > To: forces@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [forces] Poll for interest > > And here's my current list of items. Please let me know if i left > your favorite item. As i said earlier i will be posting details on each > starting tommorow > > 1) ForCES Model Extension > 2) ForCES Model LFB Parallelization > 3) InterFE LFB > 4) XEM interface > 5) Northbound interface/Services definition > 6) CE CE interface > 7) Network virtualization > 8) Credential sub-system > 9) OF connection > 10) Various LFBs to parallel netmod port, IP, route yang models. > 11) Multi-CE configuring a single FE. > 12) New Simplified SCTP TML > > cheers, > jamal > _______________________________________________ > forces mailing list > forces@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/forces From hadi@mojatatu.com Wed Nov 28 06:01:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24F621F87AC for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 06:01:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LeU6DIlQOKRw for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 06:01:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bk0-f44.google.com (mail-bk0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC6421F87A3 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 06:01:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-bk0-f44.google.com with SMTP id w11so6440949bku.31 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 06:01:57 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=2/IhYDc4ZNg58+6xd65FLHOnt532i4RL3ZkTnUhPnpQ=; b=JI17yUpwTFWVUmTem0UPBbxCv9XYWSh9XSZNPQIP1Y57QnFsihEnOgBNQnd2OPqp6/ /YoGsaikXX8tAD1wlHtSCaL4RU0qxh1Mg1CH6PCj6IiUhEnK0IyhsWRRFycwwF+A+nIl Q3qv/7shhkrQuNKCa0Gpvw8gyHOfpVE7Gh+oJ5i2mgT3x7E3pAdJBmLMzDUhd1rCBxiZ TKn/Yopn1dsBUeSjR1plFmAKyxw7MVqxZomYdvueXCZxxXTOdZ2WmeSOCDJK+QxBfU4m g+QbJRDeMEnfg4atv6klK2n5J0Vszu93HSrP+f3d0fp0+nPCOI+s1qnKoJlOemAcet5e 25DQ== Received: by 10.204.150.206 with SMTP id z14mr5837189bkv.105.1354111317139; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 06:01:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.10.67 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 06:01:36 -0800 (PST) From: Jamal Hadi Salim Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:01:36 -0500 Message-ID: To: forces@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmZddG49PESmK3l2P7kAIn4jOeOJsqTVYFSgZJcYXPSb2YoTYqhqjkpjv5FFJ4X9bSSqjLI Subject: [forces] item #1 ForCES Model Extension X-BeenThere: forces@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: ForCES WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:01:59 -0000 This was presented at the meeting. Refer to: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/85/slides/slides-85-forces-2.pdf and draft-haleplidis-forces-model-extension-01 What it is ---------- There are a few things missing from the current model grammar. A sample space includes: 1) Complex metadata expression 2) Optional default values for data types Why it is needed: ----------------------- Completeness of the Modelling language. Please respond that you a) are interested in doing the work b) will review the work c) find the work interesting and it should be done in the WG d) do not think we should do this work cheers, jamal From sdena@upatras.gr Wed Nov 28 06:41:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E94321F8542 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 06:41:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d3MJA0tCehNn for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 06:41:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from nic.upatras.gr (nic.upatras.gr [150.140.129.30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F03D21F87B0 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 06:41:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nic.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by nic.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC642275973 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:41:26 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at upatras.gr Received: from nic.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nic.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 52yTvIKvYm7O for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:41:26 +0200 (EET) Received: from mail.upatras.gr (patreas.upatras.gr [150.140.129.29]) by nic.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:41:26 +0200 (EET) Received: from [150.140.187.134] (GLAFKOS.wcl.ee.upatras.gr [150.140.187.134]) by mail.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 129E8593DC1; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:41:24 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <50B62295.8060504@upatras.gr> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:41:25 +0200 From: Spyros Denazis Organization: University of Patras User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: forces@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [forces] item #1 ForCES Model Extension X-BeenThere: forces@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: ForCES WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:41:29 -0000 Hello All, University of Patras votes for a) (interested in doing work) Best regards Spyros Denazis Electrical & Computer Engineering Dept University of Patras Greece On 28/11/2012 4:01 μμ, Jamal Hadi Salim wrote: > This was presented at the meeting. > Refer to: > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/85/slides/slides-85-forces-2.pdf > and draft-haleplidis-forces-model-extension-01 > > What it is > ---------- > There are a few things missing from the current model grammar. > A sample space includes: > 1) Complex metadata expression > 2) Optional default values for data types > > Why it is needed: > ----------------------- > Completeness of the Modelling language. > > Please respond that you > a) are interested in doing the work > b) will review the work > c) find the work interesting and it should be done in the WG > d) do not think we should do this work > > cheers, > jamal > _______________________________________________ > forces mailing list > forces@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/forces > From hadi@mojatatu.com Wed Nov 28 07:27:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E3B21F88BD for ; 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We are going to implement these changes in our code. cheers, jamal On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Jamal Hadi Salim wrote: > This was presented at the meeting. > Refer to: > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/85/slides/slides-85-forces-2.pdf > and draft-haleplidis-forces-model-extension-01 > > What it is > ---------- > There are a few things missing from the current model grammar. > A sample space includes: > 1) Complex metadata expression > 2) Optional default values for data types > > Why it is needed: > ----------------------- > Completeness of the Modelling language. > > Please respond that you > a) are interested in doing the work > b) will review the work > c) find the work interesting and it should be done in the WG > d) do not think we should do this work > > cheers, > jamal From ehalep@gmail.com Wed Nov 28 07:31:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE8D521F887D for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 07:31:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FKET35bDu0vy for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 07:31:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ee0-f44.google.com (mail-ee0-f44.google.com [74.125.83.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDEF21F8855 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 07:31:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ee0-f44.google.com with SMTP id b47so8525132eek.31 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 07:31:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=S0F4hjVbcAtJ4G4HiCJ35Icb8aI2bDGR52XQ34pzVcc=; b=AhQDWNkZU6QlZAEX1e/x213cgL7EJsvnjTMrRp1TRsoHIT03KLbU4jt1lT0w2Z/v5J fL7aLf/OWIt3IHS+Oho0qHUQJDZlhRjB0HFwLR1nUsCRsAbeM7NnksyTGZCmlH0zMR+k aKjnQxRe3PJhyjsIzVSP0iA0ySKD2QjsQzSPZFZGGmT1xXDxl+azQ7hOePQzr9Jf0SfD bOfsOWADISOViKXluDnEDOLieydAih4aUtIdz3bnNFnQ57hNYYC7J3SnyXyiPLEUJ2m2 Fgq/uDiR6ndnRfVzYgf3RKYw/TaXrmNEtK1Ip8UdJIOAEx5lbOnOjVCbNR+K24LJDg34 57+w== Received: by 10.14.205.198 with SMTP id j46mr70991866eeo.27.1354116673084; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 07:31:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from EhalepXPS (ppp079166018068.access.hol.gr. [79.166.18.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u45sm41530923eep.0.2012.11.28.07.31.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 28 Nov 2012 07:31:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Haleplidis Evangelos" To: References: <50B62295.8060504@upatras.gr> In-Reply-To: <50B62295.8060504@upatras.gr> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:31:09 +0200 Message-ID: <008601cdcd7d$666f03d0$334d0b70$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac3Nd9kO9iLEyWu9SkmVOP07Ou8jNAABRZVg Content-Language: el Subject: Re: [forces] item #1 ForCES Model Extension X-BeenThere: forces@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: ForCES WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:31:22 -0000 Greetings to all, =20 As professor Denazis said, we are certainly interested and committed in = doing this work as we have initiated the effort with the submission of = the draft. We also believe the extension to be a good addition to the model and = that such work should be done in the WG. Regards, Evangelos Haleplidis. =09 > -----Original Message----- > From: forces-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:forces-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Spyros Denazis > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 4:41 PM > To: forces@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [forces] item #1 ForCES Model Extension >=20 > Hello All, >=20 > University of Patras votes for a) (interested in doing work) >=20 > Best regards >=20 > Spyros Denazis > Electrical & Computer Engineering Dept > University of Patras > Greece >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 28/11/2012 4:01 =CE=BC=CE=BC, Jamal Hadi Salim wrote: > > This was presented at the meeting. > > Refer to: > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/85/slides/slides-85-forces-2.pdf > > and draft-haleplidis-forces-model-extension-01 > > > > What it is > > ---------- > > There are a few things missing from the current model grammar. > > A sample space includes: > > 1) Complex metadata expression > > 2) Optional default values for data types > > > > Why it is needed: > > ----------------------- > > Completeness of the Modelling language. > > > > Please respond that you > > a) are interested in doing the work > > b) will review the work > > c) find the work interesting and it should be done in the WG > > d) do not think we should do this work > > > > cheers, > > jamal > > _______________________________________________ > > forces mailing list > > forces@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/forces > > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > forces mailing list > forces@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/forces From joel@stevecrocker.com Wed Nov 28 09:03:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617C621F88B6 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:03:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DSL=1.129] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vSbHdl+13RBW for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:03:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from execdsl.com (remote.shinkuro.com [50.56.68.178]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75CE721F88B5 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:03:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [71.161.50.174] (account joel@stevecrocker.com HELO [10.10.10.104]) by execdsl.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPSA id 20955917; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:06:06 +0000 Message-ID: <50B643DC.9030409@stevecrocker.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 12:03:24 -0500 From: Joel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jamal Hadi Salim References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: forces@ietf.org Subject: Re: [forces] item #1 ForCES Model Extension X-BeenThere: forces@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: ForCES WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:03:34 -0000 I think this work is useful to advancing ForCES and applying it to many newer use cases. I will review the work. (Thus, b and c). Yours, Joel M. Halpern On 11/28/2012 9:01 AM, Jamal Hadi Salim wrote: > This was presented at the meeting. > Refer to: > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/85/slides/slides-85-forces-2.pdf > and draft-haleplidis-forces-model-extension-01 > > What it is > ---------- > There are a few things missing from the current model grammar. > A sample space includes: > 1) Complex metadata expression > 2) Optional default values for data types > > Why it is needed: > ----------------------- > Completeness of the Modelling language. > > Please respond that you > a) are interested in doing the work > b) will review the work > c) find the work interesting and it should be done in the WG > d) do not think we should do this work > > cheers, > jamal > _______________________________________________ > forces mailing list > forces@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/forces > From wmwang2001@hotmail.com Wed Nov 28 17:04:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C70521F88C2 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:04:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.846 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.846 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CBMPTkhEDtdT for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:04:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.164]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A5F21F889F for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:04:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLU0-SMTP401 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:04:24 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [125.120.89.213] X-EIP: [JnGlxSNFNJRve5L5kBjQp2bI838DbX6O] X-Originating-Email: [wmwang2001@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from WmwangHome ([125.120.89.213]) by BLU0-SMTP401.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:04:23 -0800 From: "Wang,Weiming" To: "Jamal Hadi Salim" , References:

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I am trying to space these out so people in different time zones get caught up. Presented at the meeting. Refer to: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/85/slides/slides-85-forces-3.pdf and draft-haleplidis-forces-packet-parallelization-01 What it is ---------- There is no way to currently express parallel asynchronous LFB modelling. A proposal has been made on how to address this issue. Why it is needed --------------------- Parallel asynchronous split and merge paths are very common when expressing data paths. Needed for completeness. cheers, jamal From hadi@mojatatu.com Fri Nov 30 06:48:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9CF21F8935 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:48:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sROIeFgBmHEU for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:48:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vc0-f170.google.com (mail-vc0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 538D121F88A6 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:48:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id fl11so12481105vcb.15 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:48:48 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=BHLLFYieUYTihf858nORJeF6EA491mwONoJjZTGbsNY=; b=Cs5IpH3ZLq97U0KG/05Uk4XrefrO+2yUFtWYg3OvCfMaY9shQDEp2CesuvdVvVo19B Ku0lKzWAHy2i6NyO5sMU1LdTYP0ZKKVRJLsAbgH9QWuFH5Wh9SU5kj9IXQRbZkL+bfaU Jv6KSJD2/e5eZ0e+EOaNnbYUu1WdpJ1ErvUgyCztCIOYrjeYKXcAg9YBnxokD2Lul3Tu Zl2ZrL36Zz15LlCGcvR3w6MTT728S0vHuysRTOgU5mmfMax2U5/pAdFe2uLuzrR0tgfx VldmR4h+8E+8jNKnpX4B18XfL3SEDldeQa/zLHrqyS+qaMP8RoZ8EoeQS0TPVHa99ro4 T2aw== Received: by 10.52.38.34 with SMTP id d2mr1066360vdk.63.1354286928190; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:48:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.248.74 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:48:27 -0800 (PST) From: Jamal Hadi Salim Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:48:27 -0500 Message-ID: To: forces@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkSFlH60kyS+0GDoZ9nfFZW+f4nDd17IqArIQViU9FqWW7o1H7Uy+MQJ/lyYp9ycUtt6SCp Subject: [forces] Repost: item #2: ForCES Model LFB Parallelization X-BeenThere: forces@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: ForCES WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:48:50 -0000 Sorry, I did not pose the poll question in my email, so here's a resend. Presented at the meeting. Refer to: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/85/slides/slides-85-forces-3.pdf and draft-haleplidis-forces-packet-parallelization-01 What it is ---------- There is no way to currently express parallel asynchronous LFB modelling. A proposal has been made on how to address this issue. Why it is needed --------------------- Parallel asynchronous split and merge paths are very common when expressing data paths. Needed for completeness. Please respond whether you: a) are interested in doing the work b) will review the work c) find the work interesting and it should be done in the WG d) do not think we should do this work cheers, jamal From joel@stevecrocker.com Fri Nov 30 06:51:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1925A21F8585 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:51:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DSL=1.129] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XMEAnYOxykih for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:51:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from execdsl.com (remote.shinkuro.com [50.56.68.178]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5C721F84B9 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:51:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [71.161.50.174] (account joel@stevecrocker.com HELO [10.10.10.104]) by execdsl.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPSA id 20959001; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:53:54 +0000 Message-ID: <50B8C7DA.8080806@stevecrocker.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:51:06 -0500 From: Joel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jamal Hadi Salim References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: forces@ietf.org Subject: Re: [forces] Repost: item #2: ForCES Model LFB Parallelization X-BeenThere: forces@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: ForCES WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:51:18 -0000 As a co-author on the proposal, I am interested in doing this work. Yours, Joel M. Halpern On 11/30/2012 9:48 AM, Jamal Hadi Salim wrote: > Sorry, I did not pose the poll question in my email, so here's a resend. > > > Presented at the meeting. Refer to: > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/85/slides/slides-85-forces-3.pdf and > draft-haleplidis-forces-packet-parallelization-01 > > What it is > ---------- > There is no way to currently express parallel asynchronous > LFB modelling. A proposal has been made on how to address this issue. > > Why it is needed > --------------------- > Parallel asynchronous split and merge paths are very common when > expressing data paths. Needed for completeness. > > Please respond whether you: > a) are interested in doing the work > b) will review the work > c) find the work interesting and it should be done in the WG > d) do not think we should do this work > > cheers, > jamal > _______________________________________________ > forces mailing list > forces@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/forces > From ehalep@gmail.com Fri Nov 30 06:54:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B762621F8ADD for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:54:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qEBJNSBMzzEK for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:54:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ee0-f44.google.com (mail-ee0-f44.google.com [74.125.83.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0005321F88C5 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:54:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ee0-f44.google.com with SMTP id b47so396861eek.31 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:54:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=W8NwL/1aCdB/pM1O7oHHuMEG+sU54h65mKi72VA8FT4=; b=T0iw2ZG3jtRIw/OQuC/2iNiNPh2rZDcJNircl0S4GcnPIEbJQbzXJv7YcfMbtN6Ov3 UV08IJEHLwBqeM+N7X3PvxdLNinDMd07TgzpDyCVQVvOvRcP7f0UWGIh9WwZ/mRaAxdJ ml8+frebSRAJvLRaCgGngwBSUKhBScAo7KrjD9LCumvqbUUkmv3IddXv4xOdx+OCH9hm ngj4MNHypnXFKGCAJ25C3pTC6gr9pmex+vOXY30lUxCRfi7ggeZ1VmfRcgzlb2abvCc5 rebQwL6nE4plQmfDk8lpHnkKqpCXyWhCJSxXP2PJtShf8rCz3PZ4aHpSpFkvjsrZ/EBw vThQ== Received: by 10.14.1.69 with SMTP id 45mr5396753eec.23.1354287258058; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:54:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from EhalepXPS (ppp141237041103.access.hol.gr. [141.237.41.103]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 43sm10915236eed.10.2012.11.30.06.54.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:54:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Haleplidis Evangelos" To: "'Jamal Hadi Salim'" References: <50B8C7DA.8080806@stevecrocker.com> In-Reply-To: <50B8C7DA.8080806@stevecrocker.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:54:12 +0200 Message-ID: <009a01cdcf0a$924a5520$b6deff60$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac3PCikcdT0UH1x3Tb+qeW7LqpEMogAADuTg Content-Language: el Cc: forces@ietf.org Subject: Re: [forces] Repost: item #2: ForCES Model LFB Parallelization X-BeenThere: forces@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: ForCES WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:54:19 -0000 Greetings to all, We are also interested and committed in continuing working with this item. As well as with the previous item, we believe that this is a good addition for the ForCES architecture and that this work has to be done within the ForCES wg. Regards, Evangelos Haleplidis. > -----Original Message----- > From: forces-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:forces-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Joel > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 4:51 PM > To: Jamal Hadi Salim > Cc: forces@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [forces] Repost: item #2: ForCES Model LFB Parallelization > > As a co-author on the proposal, I am interested in doing this work. > > Yours, > Joel M. Halpern > > On 11/30/2012 9:48 AM, Jamal Hadi Salim wrote: > > Sorry, I did not pose the poll question in my email, so here's a > resend. > > > > > > Presented at the meeting. Refer to: > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/85/slides/slides-85-forces-3.pdf and > > draft-haleplidis-forces-packet-parallelization-01 > > > > What it is > > ---------- > > There is no way to currently express parallel asynchronous LFB > > modelling. A proposal has been made on how to address this issue. > > > > Why it is needed > > --------------------- > > Parallel asynchronous split and merge paths are very common when > > expressing data paths. Needed for completeness. > > > > Please respond whether you: > > a) are interested in doing the work > > b) will review the work > > c) find the work interesting and it should be done in the WG > > d) do not think we should do this work > > > > cheers, > > jamal > > _______________________________________________ > > forces mailing list > > forces@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/forces > > > _______________________________________________ > forces mailing list > forces@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/forces From hadi@mojatatu.com Fri Nov 30 06:58:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E304821F8B1B for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:58:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0uRtqbXoXsaT for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:58:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vc0-f170.google.com (mail-vc0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4894721F8B18 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:58:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id fl11so12491768vcb.15 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:58:07 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=48W6VZLrhA0pltAqVvpqEpFRf53e+ZQhkEnPBftphDY=; b=eLaWOmC5L1ev15xYb0Y/QtmVVOByH21+ggwB9uHNqPX9Qf7elsECVe6RmEr5Mmll6e iLglDT0jgFDW8bC7AyhcUNGOTFRqTCkVtxfSsW1VXyUjqWcpQPXuLs5kbPAIGTZJfiIY axpt8qVXgqNLAYMGZHqo22z6uR9DN/ngdtC4gAf2VIjujclMVAc3aH7yaTBe8DM7e3Mz za/6N2WnEu3uYLGqUtJXHYv3ijlQ1ja/0gfd/dbUPlYIE1U0hiVF6G/z90wGnr13/PEh CQQwWBKHLp4BvJn2OOcApWRTNlP+KqQ5mqhKEDHpGOq0FUE12DzqFRSrqfR0EI9BdYDk 6YDw== Received: by 10.58.223.200 with SMTP id qw8mr1284179vec.12.1354287487589; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:58:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.248.74 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:57:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Jamal Hadi Salim Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:57:47 -0500 Message-ID: To: forces@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnYpTNUbNc7vx9rmmm1WRiUbxzBap9XK6H4cgHzLS5sHTv3NMnsUnPxS0uY12cXsqTE7taF Subject: Re: [forces] Repost: item #2: ForCES Model LFB Parallelization X-BeenThere: forces@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: ForCES WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:58:09 -0000 Our organization will not only review but also implement and give feedback based on the implementation. It is a requirement from folks using our software. cheers, jamal On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Jamal Hadi Salim wrote: > Sorry, I did not pose the poll question in my email, so here's a resend. > > > Presented at the meeting. Refer to: > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/85/slides/slides-85-forces-3.pdf and > draft-haleplidis-forces-packet-parallelization-01 > > What it is > ---------- > There is no way to currently express parallel asynchronous > LFB modelling. A proposal has been made on how to address this issue. > > Why it is needed > --------------------- > Parallel asynchronous split and merge paths are very common when > expressing data paths. Needed for completeness. > > Please respond whether you: > a) are interested in doing the work > b) will review the work > c) find the work interesting and it should be done in the WG > d) do not think we should do this work > > cheers, > jamal From wmwang2001@hotmail.com Fri Nov 30 18:50:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: forces@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19FF221F8ACC for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 18:50:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.846 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.846 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gf87DiQHWaAX for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 18:50:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from blu0-omc4-s23.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s23.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.162]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D3D721F849E for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 18:50:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLU0-SMTP114 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s23.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 30 Nov 2012 18:50:42 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [125.120.89.213] X-EIP: [YM8d+hdiWJrpNlOcRmhqBqihN9x+mRdz] X-Originating-Email: [wmwang2001@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from WmwangHome ([125.120.89.213]) by BLU0-SMTP114.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 30 Nov 2012 18:50:42 -0800 From: "Wang,Weiming" To: "Jamal Hadi Salim" , References: Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 10:50:41 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2012 02:50:42.0328 (UTC) FILETIME=[A744F980:01CDCF6E] Subject: Re: [forces] Repost: item #2: ForCES Model LFB Parallelization X-BeenThere: forces@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: ForCES WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 02:50:44 -0000 TXkgdGVhbSB3b3VsZCBsaWVrIHRvIGpvaW4gaW4gdGhlIHdvcmsuIA0KDQpXZSBtYXkgaGF2ZSBh IGJpdCBkaWZmZXJlbnQgdGVjaG5pY2FsIHZpZXcgd2l0aCBjdXJyZW50IHByb3Bvc2FsIGFuZCB3 b3VsZCBsaWtlIHRvIGRpc2N1c3Mgb24gaXQgc29vbi4gDQoNCnRoYW5rcywNCldlaW1uaW5nDQoN Ci0tLS0tIE9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UgLS0tLS0gDQpGcm9tOiAiSmFtYWwgSGFkaSBTYWxpbSIg PGhhZGlAbW9qYXRhdHUuY29tPg0KDQo+IFNvcnJ5LCBJIGRpZCBub3QgcG9zZSB0aGUgcG9sbCBx dWVzdGlvbiBpbiBteSBlbWFpbCwgc28gaGVyZSdzIGEgcmVzZW5kLg0KPiANCj4gDQo+IFByZXNl bnRlZCBhdCB0aGUgbWVldGluZy4gUmVmZXIgdG86DQo+IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cuaWV0Zi5vcmcvcHJv Y2VlZGluZ3MvODUvc2xpZGVzL3NsaWRlcy04NS1mb3JjZXMtMy5wZGYgYW5kDQo+IGRyYWZ0LWhh bGVwbGlkaXMtZm9yY2VzLXBhY2tldC1wYXJhbGxlbGl6YXRpb24tMDENCj4gDQo+IFdoYXQgaXQg aXMNCj4gLS0tLS0tLS0tLQ0KPiBUaGVyZSBpcyBubyB3YXkgdG8gY3VycmVudGx5IGV4cHJlc3Mg cGFyYWxsZWwgYXN5bmNocm9ub3VzDQo+IExGQiBtb2RlbGxpbmcuIEEgcHJvcG9zYWwgaGFzIGJl ZW4gbWFkZSBvbiBob3cgdG8gYWRkcmVzcyB0aGlzIGlzc3VlLg0KPiANCj4gV2h5IGl0IGlzIG5l ZWRlZA0KPiAtLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0NCj4gUGFyYWxsZWwgYXN5bmNocm9ub3VzIHNw bGl0IGFuZCBtZXJnZSBwYXRocyBhcmUgdmVyeSBjb21tb24gd2hlbg0KPiBleHByZXNzaW5nIGRh dGEgcGF0aHMuIE5lZWRlZCBmb3IgY29tcGxldGVuZXNzLg0KPiANCj4gUGxlYXNlIHJlc3BvbmQg d2hldGhlciB5b3U6DQo+IGEpIGFyZSBpbnRlcmVzdGVkIGluIGRvaW5nIHRoZSB3b3JrDQo+IGIp IHdpbGwgcmV2aWV3IHRoZSB3b3JrDQo+IGMpIGZpbmQgdGhlIHdvcmsgaW50ZXJlc3RpbmcgYW5k IGl0IHNob3VsZCBiZSBkb25lIGluIHRoZSBXRw0KPiBkKSBkbyBub3QgdGhpbmsgd2Ugc2hvdWxk IGRvIHRoaXMgd29yaw0KPiANCj4gY2hlZXJzLA0KPiBqYW1hbA0KPiBfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXw0KPiBmb3JjZXMgbWFpbGluZyBsaXN0DQo+ IGZvcmNlc0BpZXRmLm9yZw0KPiBodHRwczovL3d3dy5pZXRmLm9yZy9tYWlsbWFuL2xpc3RpbmZv L2ZvcmNlcw0KPg==