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I've created an evolutionary diagram for FTP and uncovered some loose ends you may want to clean up. Specifically, I found 3 bastards and 7 orphans that reall y should be obsoleted. In my notation "+" indicates that the RFC updates the RF C above (preserving column significance) and ":" is used merely to keep things tidy and coherent. If you really can't figure this stuff out, you can email me or you can call me at 408-287-2961 AM/PM. Best Regards -- Mark Filipak, San Jose, California (Note: this is formatted for 80 chars/line.) === Evolution of FTP === Status of some loose ends (see // comments below): 114 (Status: BASTARD) 141 (Status: BASTARD) 238 (Status: ORPHAN) 269 (Status: ORPHAN) 294 (Status: ORPHAN) 385 (Status: ORPHAN) 414 (Status: ORPHAN) 607 (Status: ORPHAN) 614 (Status: ORPHAN) 624 (Status: BASTARD) 0114 File Transfer Protocol. A.K. Bhushan. Apr-10-1971. (Not online) (Updated by RFC0141, RFC0172, RFC0171) (Status: UNKNOWN) // 114 & 141 are bastards: 114 was updated by 141 and by 172, but 172 was // obsoleted by 265, which was in stages obsoleted by 354, by 542, by // 765, and by 959. Q: considering that 114 and 141 were never obsoleted: // Q1 [rhetorical]: how did 959 become the standard? Q2: Shouldn't 265 // have obsoleted 114 & 141 also? + 0141 Comments on RFC 114: A File Transfer Protocol. E. Harslem, J.F. Heafner. Apr-29-1971. (Format: TXT=3512 bytes) (Updates RFC0114) (Status: UNKNOWN) + 0959 File Transfer Protocol. J. Postel, J.K. Reynolds. Oct-01-1985. (Format: TXT=151249 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC0765) (Updated by RFC2228, RFC2640) (Also STD0009) (Status: STANDARD) : 0765 File Transfer Protocol specification. J. Postel. Jun-01-1980. (Format: TXT=146641 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC0542) (Obsoleted by RFC0959) (Status: UNKNOWN) // 607 & 614 are orphans: 614 updated 607, which updated 542, but // 542 was obsoleted by 765. Q: shouldn't 765 have obsoleted 607 // & 614 also? : 0542 File Transfer Protocol. N. Neigus. Jul-12-1973. (Format: TXT=100666 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC0354) (Obsoleted by RFC0765) (Also RFC354, RFC454, RFC495) (Status: UNKNOWN) // 385 & 414 are orphans: 414 updated 385 which updated 354, // but 354 was obsoleted by 542. Q: shouldn't 542 have // obsoleted 385 & 414 also? : : 0354 File Transfer Protocol. A.K. Bhushan. Jul-08-1972. (Format: TXT=58074 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC0264, RFC0265) (Obsoleted by RFC0542) (Updated by RFC0385) (Status: UNKNOWN) // 294 is orphan: 294 updated 265, but 265 was obsoleted // by 354. Q: shouldn't 354 have obsoleted 294 also? : : : 0265 THE FILE TRANSFER PROTOCOL. A. Bhushan, B. Braden, W. Crowther, E. Narslem, J. Heafner, A. McKenzie, J. Melvin, B. Sundberg, D. Watson, J. White,. Dec-17-1971. (Format: TXT=3914 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC0172) (Obsoleted by RFC0354) (Updated by RFC0294) (Status: UNKNOWN) // 238 & 269 are orphans: 269 updated 238 which // updated 172, but 172 was obsoleted by 265. Q: // Shouldn't 265 have obsoleted 238 & 269 also? : : : : 0172 The File Transfer Protocol. A. Bhushan, B. Braden, W. Crowther, E. Harslem, J. Heafner, A. McKenzie, J. Melvin, B. Sundberg, D. Watson, J. White. Jun-23-1971. (Format: TXT=21328 bytes) (Obsoleted by RFC0265) (Updates RFC0114) (Updated by RFC0238) (Status: UNKNOWN) : : : : + 0238 Comments on DTP and FTP proposals. R.T. Braden. Sep-29-1971. (Format: TXT=2735 bytes) (Updates RFC0171, RFC0172) (Updated by RFC0269) (Status: UNKNOWN) : : : : + 0269 Some Experience with File Transfer. H. Brodie. Dec-06-1971. (Format: TXT=5961 bytes) (Updates RFC0122, RFC0238) (Status: UNKNOWN) : : : + 0294 The Use of "Set Data Type" Transaction in File Transfer Protocol. A.K. Bhushan. Jan-25-1972. (Format: TXT=3924 bytes) (Updates RFC0265) (Status: UNKNOWN) : : + 0385 Comments on the File Transfer Protocol. A.K. Bhushan. Aug-18-1972. (Format: TXT=13030 bytes) (Updates RFC0354) (Updated by RFC0414) (Status: UNKNOWN) : : + 0414 File Transfer Protocol (FTP) status and further comments. A.K. Bhushan. Dec-29-1972. (Not online) (Updates RFC0385) (Status: UNKNOWN) : : 0624 Comments on the File Transfer Protocol. M. Krilanovich, G. Gregg, W. Hathaway, J.E. White. Feb-28-1974. (Format: TXT=10105 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC0607) (Status: UNKNOWN) // 624 is bastard: 614 updated 607, but 607 was obsoleted // by 624. Q1: Did 614 then update 624? Q2: If 614 did // not then update 624, shouldn't 624 have obsoleted 614 // also? BIG-Q3: If 624 should have obsoleted 614 also, // then what about 614's relationship to 542? BIG-Q4: // What is 624's relationship to 542? -- Note: I do // realize that this is all probably obsoleted by 765, // but that is not indicated, and for historical reasons, // this should be cleaned up (as suggested above?). : : 0607 Comments on the File Transfer Protocol. M. Krilanovich, G. Gregg. Jan-07-1974. (Format: TXT=8652 bytes) (Obsoleted by RFC0624) (Updated by RFC0614) (Status: UNKNOWN) : + + 0614 Response to RFC 607: "Comments on the File Transfer Protocol". K.T. Pogran, N. Neigus. Jan-28-1974. (Format: TXT=11409 bytes) (Updates RFC542, RFC0607) (Status: UNKNOWN) + 2228 FTP Security Extensions. M. Horowitz, S. Lunt. October 1997. (Format: TXT=58733 bytes) (Updates RFC0959) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) + 2640 Internationalization of the File Transfer Protocol. B. Curtin. July 1999. (Format: TXT=57204 bytes) (Updates 959) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) 2389 Feature negotiation mechanism for the File Transfer Protocol. P. Hethmon, R. Elz. August 1998. (Format: TXT=18536 bytes) (Also RFC0959) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) 2428 FTP Extensions for IPv6 and NATs. M. Allman, S. Ostermann, C. Metz. September 1998. 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Specifically, anything that is not mentioned on Marc I did my own implementation (PKFA) which is not based on RFC2228 (I didn't knew about that RFC when I designed it). You can find details at http://www.ayukov.com/essays/pkfa.html NFTP supports PKFA (make sure you get 1.62.b3, NOT 1.61), and patches to wuftpd and FreeBSD ftp[d] are provided. The crypto source originates in SSLeay and can be used in free (except GPLed) and commercial projects. If you are interested in using, extending or changing PKFA please write me. In short, PKFA uses public key algorithm (DH or RSA) to send passwords in encrypted form. It does not encrypt data or control connection. I am not aware of any RFC2228-compliant developments. -- Dr. Sergey Ayukov | NFTP: Spell differently. 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Any such use of this document in any form, without the express prior written consent of the author is prohibited by law. 174 From ftp-wg-owner@hethmon.com Tue May 30 15:25:12 2000 Received: from mail.hethmon.com ([208.147.156.32]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA07915 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 15:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail (208.147.156.32 [208.147.156.32]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) id 20000530142345-8295-7 ; Tue, 30 May 2000 14:23:46 -0500 Received: from havoc.entera.com (havoc.entera.com [206.165.109.130]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) id 20000530142341-18347-6 ; Tue, 30 May 2000 14:23:41 -0500 Received: from entera.com ([208.48.116.174]) by havoc.entera.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-61971U200L100S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 12:18:08 -0700 Message-ID: <39341499.24FCEE68@entera.com> Organization: Entera, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 i86pc) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:23:43 -0500 X-OldDate: Tue, 30 May 2000 12:20:57 -0700 Sender: ftp-wg-owner X-Listname: ftp-wg@hethmon.com Reply-To: FTPEXT Working Group From: Stephen Head To: ftp-wg@hethmon.com Subject: Ftp-WG: thoughts on ftp extensions and caching Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I read/skimmed the current (Feb. 2000) and previous ftp extensions document and would like to inquire about a couple of things. First, I would like to compliment the authors of the current document about the improved feature functionality. Next, I would be interested to learn if there is any dialogue ongoing between Marshall Rose, in his incarnation as author of the Blocks set of proposals, and the FTP Extensions working group-- if not, I would like to input that I think it might bevery mutually beneficial to both parties. Finally, one of the things I am working on is a ftp caching scheme. It seems to me that although augmenting ftp caching is not mentioned as a goal by the charter of the ftp extensions working group, nevertheless there seems to be considerable parallels between needs for caching request responses, and needs for restarting/continuing responses. One thing that would appear to economize the number of messages across the network is the inclusion of the kind of information that would permit a ftp proxy cache server (PCS)to determine how big a file is and if the file should be cached as a policy issue in the beginning of a transfer. This kind of information appears in a MLST response as described in draft 10 of the extensions: a unique fully-qualified TVFS pathname, the size of the file, and a last-modified date and time. The pathname can be used as a key for later cache associative matching and file content retrieval. The last modified date and time can be used for cache copy expiration purposes. The size of the file could be used to avoid the overhead of storing objects that are deemed to be too large (or too small, etc.) for the cache. It appears that a ftp PCS would be required to issue a MLST and wait for the response before starting the transfer to obtain this kind of information. However, note that many versions of ftp server applications (eg BSD, solaris) already provide, in a variation of response 150 that does not appear in RFC959 (that I could find in brief examination) a unique fully qualified pathname and size already, for example: 150 ASCII data connection for /etc/motd (208.48.116.174,51740) (53 bytes). I tried this on the ietf ftp site and got a somewhat shortened variation (relative instead of fully qualified pathname) but still an apparently extended response over RFC 959: 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for draft-ietf-ftpext-mlst-10.txt (126451 bytes). It would seem at least potentially beneficial to re-standardize response 150 (and its non-stream analog, response 125, for the perhaps few ftp server applications that support other than streaming mode, if only for completeness' sake) to pass the fully qualified pathname, last modified date/time and size MLST values back as part of the response. A convention for doing this might be, for example, mandating this as part of support for the MLST command in the FEAT command, and/or some convention that can be recognized implicitly by a ftp PCS such as a convention for extended responses "150 X ..." and "125 X ...". It may be that the value of this notion to the overall network in reducing traffic from ftp PCSs and possibly ftp spiders could be small to moderate, in addition to reducing a network latency component in response time from any users downstream of a ftp PCS. I have been made aware through offline discussions that computing an accurate file size based on request type is potentially expensive, due to the need to perform character set mappings and so on. Possible solutions that occur to me at this time include restricting the guarantee of accuracy for the size value to apply to binary files only, and (possibly somewhat less palatable to most) having the ftp server application pre-calculate the values for non-binary cases for later convenient reporting. In any event it seems that many ftp servers already issue extra-standard information in 150 responses, that an extended and standardized version of such responses would be useful for caching proxy servers towards minimizing response latency and overall message traffic, and that it could be that a convenient and appropriate time to extend the standard to incorporate such improvements, if there is common agreement on details, coincident with the release of an extended standard for permitting reliable restarting/continuation of responses. In any case, perhaps the idea is at least worth kicking around for a while even if it does not meet with the ultimate favor of the group. If there are any questions I would be happy to try to answer them-- I am not an ftp expert. Thanks, Steve Head Entera Fremont, Calif. smh@entera.com PS-- thanks to Robert Elz for kindly taking the time to offer useful comments on an earlier version of this. From ftp-wg-owner@hethmon.com Wed May 31 06:05:26 2000 Received: from mail.hethmon.com ([208.147.156.32]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id GAA02286 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 06:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail (208.147.156.32 [208.147.156.32]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) id 20000531050259-5445-7 ; Wed, 31 May 2000 05:02:59 -0500 Received: from magritte.felspar.net (195.13.68.90 [195.13.68.90]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) id 20000531050252-51534-6 ; Wed, 31 May 2000 05:02:54 -0500 Received: by magritte.felspar.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:02:49 +0100 Message-ID: <61A45D5AE74BD311A76D00A0D21B18723672C8@magritte.felspar.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFCAE7.601C95F0" Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 05:02:55 -0500 X-OldDate: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:02:48 +0100 Sender: ftp-wg-owner X-Listname: ftp-wg@hethmon.com Reply-To: FTPEXT Working Group From: Dave Cridland To: "'FTPEXT Working Group'" Subject: Ftp-WG: thoughts on ftp extensions and caching This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFCAE7.601C95F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Before I commence wittering, a caveat: It's before noon here, and I'm hungover, and can't remember everything in the MLST spec, and unfortunately I'm at work and somewhat busy. However, I suggest the following: In responses to RETR commands, the Server-PI SHOULD respond with the following as the text of the response: response = identifier SP mlst-line identifier = "" (or some such - more than a character should avoid confusion) And also include the extra facts, not normally put in: "download-mode", "download-type", "download-structure" - defining the method of downloading. Assuming I've remembered these right. The "size" fact, if present, should indicate to a reasonable degree the size of the file being downloaded - perhaps not wholly accurately for ASCII mode downloads, but enough for policy based caching systems to take a view on whether to cache or not. Perhaps include an optional "download-size" fact for the exact size. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Head [mailto:smh@entera.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 8:24 PM To: ftp-wg@hethmon.com Subject: Ftp-WG: thoughts on ftp extensions and caching I read/skimmed the current (Feb. 2000) and previous ftp extensions document and would like to inquire about a couple of things. First, I would like to compliment the authors of the current document about the improved feature functionality. Next, I would be interested to learn if there is any dialogue ongoing between Marshall Rose, in his incarnation as author of the Blocks set of proposals, and the FTP Extensions working group-- if not, I would like to input that I think it might bevery mutually beneficial to both parties. Finally, one of the things I am working on is a ftp caching scheme. It seems to me that although augmenting ftp caching is not mentioned as a goal by the charter of the ftp extensions working group, nevertheless there seems to be considerable parallels between needs for caching request responses, and needs for restarting/continuing responses. One thing that would appear to economize the number of messages across the network is the inclusion of the kind of information that would permit a ftp proxy cache server (PCS)to determine how big a file is and if the file should be cached as a policy issue in the beginning of a transfer. This kind of information appears in a MLST response as described in draft 10 of the extensions: a unique fully-qualified TVFS pathname, the size of the file, and a last-modified date and time. The pathname can be used as a key for later cache associative matching and file content retrieval. The last modified date and time can be used for cache copy expiration purposes. The size of the file could be used to avoid the overhead of storing objects that are deemed to be too large (or too small, etc.) for the cache. It appears that a ftp PCS would be required to issue a MLST and wait for the response before starting the transfer to obtain this kind of information. However, note that many versions of ftp server applications (eg BSD, solaris) already provide, in a variation of response 150 that does not appear in RFC959 (that I could find in brief examination) a unique fully qualified pathname and size already, for example: 150 ASCII data connection for /etc/motd (208.48.116.174,51740) (53 bytes). I tried this on the ietf ftp site and got a somewhat shortened variation (relative instead of fully qualified pathname) but still an apparently extended response over RFC 959: 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for draft-ietf-ftpext-mlst-10.txt (126451 bytes). It would seem at least potentially beneficial to re-standardize response 150 (and its non-stream analog, response 125, for the perhaps few ftp server applications that support other than streaming mode, if only for completeness' sake) to pass the fully qualified pathname, last modified date/time and size MLST values back as part of the response. A convention for doing this might be, for example, mandating this as part of support for the MLST command in the FEAT command, and/or some convention that can be recognized implicitly by a ftp PCS such as a convention for extended responses "150 X ..." and "125 X ...". It may be that the value of this notion to the overall network in reducing traffic from ftp PCSs and possibly ftp spiders could be small to moderate, in addition to reducing a network latency component in response time from any users downstream of a ftp PCS. I have been made aware through offline discussions that computing an accurate file size based on request type is potentially expensive, due to the need to perform character set mappings and so on. Possible solutions that occur to me at this time include restricting the guarantee of accuracy for the size value to apply to binary files only, and (possibly somewhat less palatable to most) having the ftp server application pre-calculate the values for non-binary cases for later convenient reporting. In any event it seems that many ftp servers already issue extra-standard information in 150 responses, that an extended and standardized version of such responses would be useful for caching proxy servers towards minimizing response latency and overall message traffic, and that it could be that a convenient and appropriate time to extend the standard to incorporate such improvements, if there is common agreement on details, coincident with the release of an extended standard for permitting reliable restarting/continuation of responses. In any case, perhaps the idea is at least worth kicking around for a while even if it does not meet with the ultimate favor of the group. If there are any questions I would be happy to try to answer them-- I am not an ftp expert. Thanks, Steve Head Entera Fremont, Calif. smh@entera.com PS-- thanks to Robert Elz for kindly taking the time to offer useful comments on an earlier version of this. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFCAE7.601C95F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Ftp-WG: thoughts on ftp extensions and caching

Before I commence wittering, a caveat: It's before = noon here, and I'm hungover, and can't remember everything in the MLST = spec, and unfortunately I'm at work and somewhat busy.

However, I suggest the following:

In responses to RETR commands, the Server-PI SHOULD = respond with the following as the text of the response:

response =3D identifier SP mlst-line

identifier =3D "<EXT>" (or some such = - more than a character should avoid confusion)

And also include the extra facts, not normally put = in:

"download-mode", "download-type", = "download-structure" - defining the method of downloading. = Assuming I've remembered these right.

The "size" fact, if present, should = indicate to a reasonable degree the size of the file being downloaded - = perhaps not wholly accurately for ASCII mode downloads, but enough for = policy based caching systems to take a view on whether to cache or = not.

Perhaps include an optional "download-size" = fact for the exact size.

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Head [mailto:smh@entera.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 8:24 PM
To: ftp-wg@hethmon.com
Subject: Ftp-WG: thoughts on ftp extensions and = caching


I read/skimmed the current (Feb. 2000) and previous = ftp extensions
document and would like to inquire about a couple of = things.
First, I would like to compliment the authors of the = current document
about the improved feature functionality.

Next, I would be interested to learn if there is any = dialogue ongoing
between Marshall Rose, in his incarnation as author = of the  Blocks
set of proposals, and the FTP Extensions working = group-- if not,
I would like to input that I think it might bevery = mutually beneficial
to both parties.

Finally, one of the things I am working on is a ftp = caching scheme.
It seems to me that although augmenting ftp caching = is not
mentioned as a goal by the charter of the ftp = extensions working
group, nevertheless there seems to be considerable = parallels
between needs for caching request responses, and = needs
for restarting/continuing responses.

One thing that would appear to economize the number = of messages
across the network is the inclusion of the kind of = information
that would permit a ftp proxy cache server (PCS)to = determine how
big a file is and if the file should be cached as a = policy issue
in the beginning of a transfer.  This kind of = information appears
in a MLST response as described in draft 10 of the = extensions:
a unique fully-qualified TVFS pathname, the size of = the file,
and a last-modified date and time.  The = pathname can be used
as a key for later cache associative matching and = file content
retrieval.  The last modified date and time can = be used for
cache copy expiration purposes.  The size of = the file could be used
to avoid the overhead of storing objects that are = deemed to be
too large (or too small, etc.) for the cache.  = It appears that
a ftp PCS would be required to issue a MLST and wait = for
the response before starting the transfer to obtain = this kind
of information.  However, note that many = versions of ftp
server applications (eg BSD, solaris) already = provide,
in a variation of response 150 that does not appear = in RFC959
(that I could find in brief examination)
a unique fully qualified pathname and size already, = for example:

  150 ASCII data connection for /etc/motd = (208.48.116.174,51740) (53
bytes).

I tried this on the ietf ftp site and got a somewhat = shortened
variation (relative instead of fully qualified = pathname) but still
an apparently extended response over RFC 959:

  150 Opening ASCII mode data connection = for
draft-ietf-ftpext-mlst-10.txt (126451 bytes).

It would seem at least potentially beneficial to = re-standardize
response 150 (and its non-stream analog, response = 125,
for the perhaps few ftp server applications that = support
other than streaming mode, if only for completeness' = sake)
to pass the fully qualified pathname, last modified = date/time
and size MLST values back as part of the = response.  A
convention for doing this might be, for example, = mandating
this as part of support for the MLST command in the = FEAT
command, and/or some convention that can be = recognized
implicitly by a ftp PCS such as a convention for = extended
responses "150 X ..." and "125 X = ...".  It may be that the
value of this notion to the overall network in = reducing
traffic from ftp PCSs and possibly ftp spiders could = be
small to moderate, in addition to reducing a = network
latency component in response time from any = users
downstream of a ftp PCS.

I have been made aware through offline = discussions
that computing an accurate file size based on = request
type is potentially expensive, due to the need to = perform
character set mappings and so on.  Possible = solutions
that occur to me at this time include = restricting
the guarantee of accuracy for the size value to = apply
to binary files only, and (possibly somewhat = less
palatable to most) having the ftp server = application
pre-calculate the values for non-binary cases
for later convenient reporting.

In any event it seems that many ftp servers = already
issue extra-standard information in 150 = responses,
that an extended and standardized version of = such
responses would be useful for caching proxy = servers
towards minimizing response latency and = overall
message traffic, and that it could be that a = convenient
and appropriate time to extend the standard
to incorporate such improvements, if there is
common agreement on details, coincident with
the release of an extended standard for = permitting
reliable restarting/continuation of = responses.

In any case, perhaps the idea is at least worth = kicking
around for a while even if it does not meet with = the
ultimate favor of the group.  If there are any = questions
I would be happy to try to answer them-- I am
not an ftp expert.  Thanks,

Steve Head
Entera
Fremont, Calif.
smh@entera.com

PS-- thanks to Robert Elz for kindly taking the = time
to offer useful comments on an earlier version of = this.







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