From ftp-wg-owner@hethmon.com Mon Nov 3 22:40:08 2003 Received: from mail.hethmon.com ([12.166.240.139]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id WAA12259 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:40:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.hethmon.com (12.166.240.139 [12.166.240.139]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Smtpd Perseus) id 20031103224405-16703-9 ; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:44:05 -0500 Received: from server3.mathcs.duq.edu (server3.mathcs.duq.edu [165.190.114.169]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Smtpd Perseus) id 20031103224402-52099-9 ; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:44:02 -0500 Received: from server3.mathcs.duq.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server3.mathcs.duq.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hA43VdNr007470 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:31:39 -0500 Received: (from fa00rolick@localhost) by server3.mathcs.duq.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA43VdxD007462 for ftp-wg@hethmon.com; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:31:39 -0500 Message-ID: <20031104033139.GA3245@server3.mathcs.duq.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:44:04 -0500 X-OldDate: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:31:39 -0500 Sender: ftp-wg-owner X-Listname: ftp-wg@hethmon.com Reply-To: FTPEXT Working Group From: fa00rolick@mathcs.duq.edu To: ftp-wg@hethmon.com Subject: Ftp-WG: status of rfc 2228 hello all, i'm new to the list. very recently, i've taken an interest in the status of rfc 2228 as i wish to implement some means of user authentication, integrity protection, and optional data encryptiong to an existing ftpd implementation. i was wondering if anyone knew which ftp implementations currently support the proposed security extensions. and finally, are there any thoughts on combining the control connection and data connection? in my eyes, this would eliminate the bounce attack and make ftp less of a problem for nat'd connections and firewalls. thanks for any feedback abe From ftp-wg-owner@hethmon.com Tue Nov 4 06:37:23 2003 Received: from mail.hethmon.com ([12.166.240.139]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id GAA09869 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 06:37:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.hethmon.com (12.166.240.139 [12.166.240.139]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Smtpd Perseus) id 20031104064129-35327-9 ; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 06:41:29 -0500 Received: from stat.com (stat.com [207.211.1.10]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Smtpd Perseus) id 20031104064126-9040-10 ; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 06:41:26 -0500 Received: from ratree.psu.ac.th [202.12.73.3] by stat.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.03) id AD688850200; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 04:28:40 -0700 Received: from delta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (delta.coe.psu.ac.th [172.30.0.98]) by ratree.psu.ac.th (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hA4BNSN11188 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:23:29 +0700 (ICT) Received: from munnari.OZ.AU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by delta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hA4BNIJ25684 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:23:27 +0700 (ICT) In-Reply-To: <20031104033139.GA3245@server3.mathcs.duq.edu> References: <20031104033139.GA3245@server3.mathcs.duq.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <24429.1067944998@munnari.OZ.AU> X-Declude-Sender: kre@munnari.OZ.AU [202.12.73.3] Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 06:41:28 -0500 X-OldDate: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:23:18 +0700 Sender: ftp-wg-owner X-Listname: ftp-wg@hethmon.com Reply-To: FTPEXT Working Group From: Robert Elz To: FTPEXT Working Group Subject: Ftp-WG: status of rfc 2228 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:44:04 -0500 From: fa00rolick@mathcs.duq.edu Message-ID: <20031104033139.GA3245@server3.mathcs.duq.edu> | i was wondering if anyone knew which ftp implementations currently | support the proposed security extensions. Sorry, no reply from me on that part, perhaps someone else might know of some. | and finally, are there any thoughts on combining the control connection | and data connection? No, no thoughts, and no chance. That would require revising FTP until it was close enough identical to HTTP. We already have HTTP, we don't need a variation of it running on a different port and called FTP. If the dual connection part of FTP means that problems are caused that limit where FTP is permitted, then perhaps FTP will eventually die out. That certainly has not happened yet. kre From ftp-wg-owner@hethmon.com Tue Nov 4 08:35:18 2003 Received: from mail.hethmon.com ([12.166.240.139]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id IAA14014 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 08:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.hethmon.com (12.166.240.139 [12.166.240.139]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Smtpd Perseus) id 20031104083928-45589-5 ; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:39:28 -0500 Received: from pecan.cc.columbia.edu (pecan.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.178]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Smtpd Perseus) id 20031104083927-15573-5 ; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:39:27 -0500 Received: from columbia.edu (66-108-138-151.nyc.rr.com [66.108.138.151]) (user=jaltman mech=PLAIN bits=0) by pecan.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hA4DQxB9028878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 08:27:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3FA7A919.9030607@columbia.edu> Organization: Columbia University in the City of New York User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20031104033139.GA3245@server3.mathcs.duq.edu> In-Reply-To: <20031104033139.GA3245@server3.mathcs.duq.edu> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms080102080601010800020901" X-No-Spam-Score: Local X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 08:39:27 -0500 X-OldDate: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:26:49 -0500 Sender: ftp-wg-owner X-Listname: ftp-wg@hethmon.com Reply-To: FTPEXT Working Group From: Jeffrey Altman To: FTPEXT Working Group Subject: Ftp-WG: status of rfc 2228 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms080102080601010800020901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit fa00rolick@mathcs.duq.edu wrote: >hello all, > >i'm new to the list. > >very recently, i've taken an interest in the status of rfc 2228 as i wish to implement some means of user authentication, integrity protection, and optional data encryptiong to an existing ftpd implementation. > >i was wondering if anyone knew which ftp implementations currently support the proposed security extensions. > > There are many implementations supporting GSSAPI-Kerberos 5 Kerberos 4 Secure Remote Password Transport Layer Security v1 Kermit is a FTP client which supports all of the above. We have a partial list of servers at >and finally, are there any thoughts on combining the control connection and data connection? in my eyes, this would eliminate the bounce attack and make ftp less of a problem for nat'd connections and firewalls. > > If you want a secure file transfer solution which requires only a single channel, then you want RFC 2839, Internet Kermit Service. and >thanks for any feedback > > >abe > > --------------ms080102080601010800020901 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIJUDCC AwYwggJvoAMCAQICAwpxijANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFADCBkjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNV BAgTDFdlc3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZUaGF3dGUx HTAbBgNVBAsTFENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNlcnZpY2VzMSgwJgYDVQQDEx9QZXJzb25hbCBGcmVl 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X-OldDate: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 10:30:53 -0500 Sender: ftp-wg-owner X-Listname: ftp-wg@hethmon.com Reply-To: FTPEXT Working Group From: Jeffrey Altman To: FTPEXT Working Group Subject: Ftp-WG: status of rfc 2228 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050406090606030002030606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes. Because it was never adopted by the FTP-WG as a working group item and the former Security AD who was supposed to handle the Last Call work never found the time AND is no longer an AD. Jeffrey Altman Alun Jones wrote: >>-----Original Message----- >>From: ftp-wg-owner [mailto:ftp-wg-owner@hethmon.com] On >>Behalf Of Jeffrey Altman >>Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 7:39 AM >> >>fa00rolick@mathcs.duq.edu wrote: >> >> >>>i was wondering if anyone knew which ftp implementations >>> >>> >>currently support the proposed security extensions. >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>There are many implementations supporting >> >> GSSAPI-Kerberos 5 >> Kerberos 4 >> Secure Remote Password >> Transport Layer Security v1 >> >> > >That reminds me - does anyone know why draft-murray-auth-ftp-ssl-12.txt is >still a draft, and hasn't been promoted to RFC status yet? > >It seems like there's been no changes to this draft in a year, it's adopted >by several implementations, and there doesn't seem to be anything other than >IETF slowness holding it up. At least, that's my perspective from the >outside - anyone got any other ideas? > >Alun. >~~~~ > > --------------ms050406090606030002030606 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIJUDCC AwYwggJvoAMCAQICAwpxijANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFADCBkjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNV BAgTDFdlc3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZUaGF3dGUx HTAbBgNVBAsTFENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNlcnZpY2VzMSgwJgYDVQQDEx9QZXJzb25hbCBGcmVl bWFpbCBSU0EgMjAwMC44LjMwMB4XDTAzMDczMDAyMDkyOFoXDTA0MDcyOTAyMDkyOFowRjEf MB0GA1UEAxMWVGhhd3RlIEZyZWVtYWlsIE1lbWJlcjEjMCEGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYUamFsdG1h bkBjb2x1bWJpYS5lZHUwggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQDBtDG6ZyGA sK+rZOfKPKGBn6oCTLYSLk/mpeX9QTmTG71qh308KUeN35qqoRXjLvscfw6NPOYXiuxE/RqL sx7WKEnK3C4gzzpioCTX1b7o4M7YbpvCRBFPE9Jgsd0yz2EN+mk/pPuK1GP+iQNot2m4A56A 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Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:38:26 -0500 X-OldDate: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:00:14 -0800 (PST) Sender: ftp-wg-owner X-Listname: ftp-wg@hethmon.com Reply-To: FTPEXT Working Group From: TJ Saunders To: FTPEXT Working Group Subject: Ftp-WG: status of rfc 2228 jaltma>Because it was never adopted by the FTP-WG as a working jaltma>group item and the former Security AD who was supposed to jaltma>handle the Last Call work never found the time AND is no jaltma>longer an AD. Given the above, what can be done, going forward, to promote the Draft to a full RFC? Cheers, TJ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Are you not ashamed of your eagerness to possess as much wealth, reputation and honors as possible while you do not care for nor give thought to wisdom or truth, or the best possible state of your soul? -Socrates ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From ftp-wg-owner@hethmon.com Tue Nov 4 12:48:13 2003 Received: from mail.hethmon.com ([12.166.240.139]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id MAA24992 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.hethmon.com (12.166.240.139 [12.166.240.139]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Smtpd Perseus) id 20031104124815-48666-9 ; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:48:15 -0500 Received: from jalapeno.cc.columbia.edu (jalapeno.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.238]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Smtpd Perseus) id 20031104124807-19181-9 ; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:48:08 -0500 Received: from columbia.edu (66-108-138-151.nyc.rr.com [66.108.138.151]) (user=jaltman mech=PLAIN bits=0) by jalapeno.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hA4HZgap004228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:35:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3FA7E363.6000503@columbia.edu> Organization: Columbia University in the City of New York User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms040108070207060404000603" X-No-Spam-Score: Local X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:48:12 -0500 X-OldDate: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:35:31 -0500 Sender: ftp-wg-owner X-Listname: ftp-wg@hethmon.com Reply-To: FTPEXT Working Group From: Jeffrey Altman To: FTPEXT Working Group Subject: Ftp-WG: status of rfc 2228 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040108070207060404000603 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The fastest way would be for the Working Group Chair to agree there is WG consensus for the draft to be a product of the working group, and then for there to be a WG Last Call issued. As a product of a working group, the draft would be required to be processed in a timely manner by the Area Directors responsible for the working group. - Jeff TJ Saunders wrote: >jaltma>Because it was never adopted by the FTP-WG as a working >jaltma>group item and the former Security AD who was supposed to >jaltma>handle the Last Call work never found the time AND is no >jaltma>longer an AD. > >Given the above, what can be done, going forward, to promote the Draft to >a full RFC? > >Cheers, >TJ > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Are you not ashamed of your eagerness to possess as much wealth, reputation > and honors as possible while you do not care for nor give thought to wisdom > or truth, or the best possible state of your soul? > > -Socrates > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > --------------ms040108070207060404000603 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Disposition: attachment; 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Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:40:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.hethmon.com (12.166.240.139 [12.166.240.139]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Smtpd Perseus) id 20031104144056-12371-12 ; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:40:56 -0500 Received: from BORON.mltempo.net (12.166.240.42 [12.166.240.42]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Smtpd Perseus) id 20031104144053-50719-10 ; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:40:53 -0500 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Message-ID: <004EB4F1C04D784A9F0DA8809C56437B011EE9DB@boron.mltempo.net> Thread-Topic: Ftp-WG: status of rfc 2228 Thread-Index: AcOi+fGpDE2Cc93FQc+LNyAeC8X9vwADzEUA Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:40:55 -0500 X-OldDate: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:25:51 -0500 Sender: ftp-wg-owner X-Listname: ftp-wg@hethmon.com Reply-To: FTPEXT Working Group From: "Paul Hethmon" To: "FTPEXT Working Group" Subject: Ftp-WG: status of rfc 2228 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, our track record of getting the AD's to do anything is not great. The MLST proposal which is what started this group anyway about 7 years ago still has not made it to draft. I've submitted it several times. As far as 2228, it was handled by the security working group I believe. It certainly was not handled through this one. I would think that group should try and advance it. Paul -------------------- Paul Hethmon Project Manager Marketlinx Solutions 865.777.0088 (work) 865.777.1188 (fax) 865.218.3629 (desk) 865.250.3517 (cell)=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Altman [mailto:jaltman@columbia.edu]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 12:48 PM > To: FTPEXT Working Group > Subject: Ftp-WG: status of rfc 2228 >=20 >=20 > The fastest way would be for the Working Group Chair to agree=20 > there is=20 > WG consensus > for the draft to be a product of the working group, and then=20 > for there=20 > to be a > WG Last Call issued. >=20 > As a product of a working group, the draft would be required to be=20 > processed in > a timely manner by the Area Directors responsible for the=20 > working group. >=20 > - Jeff >=20 >=20 > TJ Saunders wrote: >=20 > >jaltma>Because it was never adopted by the FTP-WG as a working > >jaltma>group item and the former Security AD who was supposed to > >jaltma>handle the Last Call work never found the time AND is no > >jaltma>longer an AD. > > > >Given the above, what can be done, going forward, to promote=20 > the Draft to > >a full RFC? > > > >Cheers, > >TJ > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Are you not ashamed of your eagerness to possess as much=20 > wealth, reputation > > and honors as possible while you do not care for nor give=20 > thought to wisdom > > or truth, or the best possible state of your soul? > > > > -Socrates > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > =20 > > >=20 From ftp-wg-owner@hethmon.com Tue Nov 4 14:47:40 2003 Received: from mail.hethmon.com ([12.166.240.139]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id OAA00774 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.hethmon.com (12.166.240.139 [12.166.240.139]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Smtpd Perseus) id 20031104144915-49639-10 ; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:49:15 -0500 Received: from brazilnut.cc.columbia.edu (brazilnut.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.203]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Smtpd Perseus) id 20031104144911-20255-10 ; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:49:11 -0500 Received: from columbia.edu (66-108-138-151.nyc.rr.com [66.108.138.151]) (user=jaltman mech=PLAIN bits=0) by brazilnut.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hA4JafVv006996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:36:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3FA7FFBD.3070403@columbia.edu> Organization: Columbia University in the City of New York User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <004EB4F1C04D784A9F0DA8809C56437B011EE9DB@boron.mltempo.net> In-Reply-To: <004EB4F1C04D784A9F0DA8809C56437B011EE9DB@boron.mltempo.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms050204020407070403010306" X-No-Spam-Score: Local X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:49:13 -0500 X-OldDate: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:36:29 -0500 Sender: ftp-wg-owner X-Listname: ftp-wg@hethmon.com Reply-To: FTPEXT Working Group From: Jeffrey Altman To: FTPEXT Working Group Subject: Ftp-WG: status of rfc 2228 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050204020407070403010306 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul: There is no "FTP Security" Working Group. The only FTP related working group is the FTP Extensions" Working Group. - Jeff Paul Hethmon wrote: >Well, our track record of getting the AD's to do anything is not >great. The MLST proposal which is what started this group anyway >about 7 years ago still has not made it to draft. I've submitted >it several times. > >As far as 2228, it was handled by the security working group >I believe. It certainly was not handled through this one. I would >think that group should try and advance it. > >Paul > >-------------------- > >Paul Hethmon >Project Manager >Marketlinx Solutions >865.777.0088 (work) >865.777.1188 (fax) >865.218.3629 (desk) >865.250.3517 (cell) > > > --------------ms050204020407070403010306 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIJUDCC AwYwggJvoAMCAQICAwpxijANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFADCBkjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNV BAgTDFdlc3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZUaGF3dGUx HTAbBgNVBAsTFENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNlcnZpY2VzMSgwJgYDVQQDEx9QZXJzb25hbCBGcmVl bWFpbCBSU0EgMjAwMC44LjMwMB4XDTAzMDczMDAyMDkyOFoXDTA0MDcyOTAyMDkyOFowRjEf MB0GA1UEAxMWVGhhd3RlIEZyZWVtYWlsIE1lbWJlcjEjMCEGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYUamFsdG1h bkBjb2x1bWJpYS5lZHUwggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQDBtDG6ZyGA 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Message-ID: <004EB4F1C04D784A9F0DA8809C56437B083F3C@boron.mltempo.net> Thread-Topic: Ftp-WG: status of rfc 2228 Thread-Index: AcOjC0+jiLa8ITIYSwS70fT0qpcIzgAAC1jg Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:00:34 -0500 X-OldDate: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:45:32 -0500 Sender: ftp-wg-owner X-Listname: ftp-wg@hethmon.com Reply-To: FTPEXT Working Group From: "Paul Hethmon" To: "FTPEXT Working Group" Subject: Ftp-WG: status of rfc 2228 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Right, I realize that. I was saying that that draft was the product of another working group, evidently the Network Working Group (according to the RFC). I remember it coming up for=20 discussion in our group briefly when it was submitted for proposed standard. By then the work was complete in the other group. That said, I don't mind submitting it from this group to advance it, if their is consensus. Someone should contact the authors and see if there are any revisions which should be=20 made. The same question should go to any implementors. Paul -------------------- Paul Hethmon Project Manager Marketlinx Solutions 865.777.0088 (work) 865.777.1188 (fax) 865.218.3629 (desk) 865.250.3517 (cell)=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Altman [mailto:jaltman@columbia.edu]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:49 PM > To: FTPEXT Working Group > Subject: Ftp-WG: status of rfc 2228 >=20 >=20 > Paul: >=20 > There is no "FTP Security" Working Group. The only FTP=20 > related working > group is the FTP Extensions" Working Group. >=20 > - Jeff >=20 >=20 > Paul Hethmon wrote: >=20 > >Well, our track record of getting the AD's to do anything is not > >great. The MLST proposal which is what started this group anyway > >about 7 years ago still has not made it to draft. I've submitted > >it several times. > > > >As far as 2228, it was handled by the security working group > >I believe. It certainly was not handled through this one. I would > >think that group should try and advance it. > > > >Paul > > > >-------------------- > > > >Paul Hethmon > >Project Manager > >Marketlinx Solutions > >865.777.0088 (work) > >865.777.1188 (fax) > >865.218.3629 (desk) > >865.250.3517 (cell)=20 > > > > =20 > > >=20 From ftp-wg-owner@hethmon.com Tue Nov 4 15:05:27 2003 Received: from mail.hethmon.com ([12.166.240.139]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA01875 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.hethmon.com (12.166.240.139 [12.166.240.139]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Smtpd Perseus) id 20031104150900-28398-9 ; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:09:00 -0500 Received: from mail01e.rapidsite.net (mail01e.rapidsite.net [208.55.43.102]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Smtpd Perseus) id 20031104150858-25180-9 ; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:08:58 -0500 Message-Id: <20031104150858-25180-9@mail.hethmon.com> Received: from www.wftpd.com (209.238.225.144) by mail01e.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.88vs) with SMTP id 2-0388785777 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:56:22 -0500 (EST) Organization: Texas Imperial Software MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1213 In-Reply-To: <004EB4F1C04D784A9F0DA8809C56437B011EE9DB@boron.mltempo.net> Thread-Index: AcOi+fGpDE2Cc93FQc+LNyAeC8X9vwADzEUAAADjwmA= X-Loop-Detect: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:08:59 -0500 X-OldDate: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:55:22 -0600 Sender: ftp-wg-owner X-Listname: ftp-wg@hethmon.com Reply-To: FTPEXT Working Group From: "Alun Jones" To: "'FTPEXT Working Group'" Subject: Ftp-WG: status of rfc 2228 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > From: ftp-wg-owner [mailto:ftp-wg-owner@hethmon.com] On > Behalf Of Paul Hethmon > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 1:41 PM > To: FTPEXT Working Group > Subject: Ftp-WG: status of rfc 2228 > > Well, our track record of getting the AD's to do anything is not > great. The MLST proposal which is what started this group anyway > about 7 years ago still has not made it to draft. I've submitted > it several times. So what does the following mean? "The IESG has approved following document: "- 'Extensions to FTP ' " as a Proposed Standard" I thought that meant it was on its way to RFC-hood. > As far as 2228, it was handled by the security working group > I believe. It certainly was not handled through this one. I would > think that group should try and advance it. Ignore the subject line - we moved on from there to specific kinds of RFC2228-compatible FTP extensions, and specifically, draft-murray-auth-ftp-ssl-12.txt, "Securing FTP with TLS" [which I really hope will become known as simply "ftps"]. It doesn't appear that this particular document is under any WG's aegis. Maybe it should be brought under ours? Alun. ~~~~ -- Texas Imperial Software | Find us at http://www.wftpd.com or email 1602 Harvest Moon Place | alun@texis.com. 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From ftp-wg-owner@hethmon.com Tue Nov 4 15:13:37 2003 Received: from mail.hethmon.com ([12.166.240.139]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA02925 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:13:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.hethmon.com (12.166.240.139 [12.166.240.139]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Smtpd Perseus) id 20031104151520-10780-10 ; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:15:20 -0500 Received: from usea-naimss3.unisys.com (usea-naimss3.unisys.com [192.61.61.105]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Smtpd Perseus) id 20031104151518-57179-10 ; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:15:18 -0500 Received: from us-ea-gtwy-6.ea.unisys.com ([192.61.146.102]unverified) by 192.61.61.105 with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:07:51 -0600 Received: by us-ea-gtwy-6.ea.unisys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:02:53 -0600 Message-ID: <529ED587BF6FB24B88F9085D719C548F01D3228B@USMV-EXCH3.na.uis.unisys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:15:19 -0500 X-OldDate: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:02:51 -0600 Sender: ftp-wg-owner X-Listname: ftp-wg@hethmon.com Reply-To: FTPEXT Working Group From: "Hornby, Peter W" To: FTPEXT Working Group Subject: Ftp-WG: status of rfc 2228 Paul, I think we have a little misunderstanding here. The discussion skipped smartly from RFC 2228 to the FTP-over-SSL draft (draft-murray-auth-ftp-ssl-12.txt), by virtue of a message from Alun Jones which hasn't arrived here yet. RFC 2228 is, as you say, a standards-track document, and there's nothing more to do unless someone wants to advance it to Draft Standard. The SSL draft is another story, and it's that story which Jeff was trying to clarify. Pete -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hethmon [mailto:phethmon@marketlinx.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 12:01 PM To: FTPEXT Working Group Subject: Ftp-WG: status of rfc 2228 Right, I realize that. I was saying that that draft was the product of another working group, evidently the Network Working Group (according to the RFC). I remember it coming up for discussion in our group briefly when it was submitted for proposed standard. By then the work was complete in the other group. That said, I don't mind submitting it from this group to advance it, if their is consensus. Someone should contact the authors and see if there are any revisions which should be made. The same question should go to any implementors. Paul -------------------- Paul Hethmon Project Manager Marketlinx Solutions 865.777.0088 (work) 865.777.1188 (fax) 865.218.3629 (desk) 865.250.3517 (cell) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Altman [mailto:jaltman@columbia.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:49 PM > To: FTPEXT Working Group > Subject: Ftp-WG: status of rfc 2228 > > > Paul: > > There is no "FTP Security" Working Group. The only FTP > related working > group is the FTP Extensions" Working Group. > > - Jeff > > > Paul Hethmon wrote: > > >Well, our track record of getting the AD's to do anything is not > >great. The MLST proposal which is what started this group anyway > >about 7 years ago still has not made it to draft. I've submitted > >it several times. > > > >As far as 2228, it was handled by the security working group > >I believe. It certainly was not handled through this one. I would > >think that group should try and advance it. > > > >Paul > > > >-------------------- > > > >Paul Hethmon > >Project Manager > >Marketlinx Solutions > >865.777.0088 (work) > >865.777.1188 (fax) > >865.218.3629 (desk) > >865.250.3517 (cell) > > > > > > > From ftp-wg-owner@hethmon.com Tue Nov 4 15:16:33 2003 Received: from mail.hethmon.com ([12.166.240.139]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA03209 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:16:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.hethmon.com (12.166.240.139 [12.166.240.139]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Smtpd Perseus) id 20031104151930-28072-9 ; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:19:30 -0500 Received: from mail01e.rapidsite.net (mail01e.rapidsite.net [208.55.43.102]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Smtpd Perseus) id 20031104151929-43718-9 ; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:19:29 -0500 Message-Id: <20031104151929-43718-9@mail.hethmon.com> Received: from www.wftpd.com (209.238.225.144) by mail01e.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.88vs) with SMTP id 1-0469946396 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:06:38 -0500 (EST) Organization: Texas Imperial Software MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1213 In-Reply-To: <004EB4F1C04D784A9F0DA8809C56437B083F3C@boron.mltempo.net> Thread-Index: AcOjC0+jiLa8ITIYSwS70fT0qpcIzgAAC1jgAAB/+cA= X-Loop-Detect: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:19:30 -0500 X-OldDate: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:05:40 -0600 Sender: ftp-wg-owner X-Listname: ftp-wg@hethmon.com Reply-To: FTPEXT Working Group From: "Alun Jones" To: "'FTPEXT Working Group'" Subject: Ftp-WG: status of rfc 2228 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > From: ftp-wg-owner [mailto:ftp-wg-owner@hethmon.com] On > Behalf Of Paul Hethmon > > That said, I don't mind submitting it from this group to > advance it, if their is consensus. Someone should contact the > authors and see if there are any revisions which should be > made. The same question should go to any implementors. I've forwarded your request to the author of draft-murray-auth-ftp-ssl-12.txt. I think you'll find that the document has been stable for the past year or more, and has been implemented by numerous implementors. The web site http://www.ford-hutchinson.com/~fh-1-pfh/ftps-ext.html has an impressive list of implementations, in client, server and proxy form, as well as a "Wiki" link, which essentially allows public comment. Alun. ~~~~ -- Texas Imperial Software | Find us at http://www.wftpd.com or email 1602 Harvest Moon Place | alun@texis.com. Cedar Park TX 78613-1419 | WFTPD, WFTPD Pro are Windows FTP servers. Fax/Voice +1(512)258-9858 | Try our NEW client software, WFTPD Explorer. From ftp-wg-owner@hethmon.com Tue Nov 4 15:16:57 2003 Received: from mail.hethmon.com ([12.166.240.139]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA03258 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:16:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.hethmon.com (12.166.240.139 [12.166.240.139]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Smtpd Perseus) id 20031104151443-46243-16 ; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:14:43 -0500 Received: from jalapeno.cc.columbia.edu (jalapeno.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.238]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Smtpd Perseus) id 20031104151436-18975-16 ; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:14:42 -0500 Received: from columbia.edu (66-108-138-151.nyc.rr.com [66.108.138.151]) (user=jaltman mech=PLAIN bits=0) by jalapeno.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hA4K25ap006143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:02:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3FA805B1.3060506@columbia.edu> Organization: Columbia University in the City of New York User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <004EB4F1C04D784A9F0DA8809C56437B083F3C@boron.mltempo.net> In-Reply-To: <004EB4F1C04D784A9F0DA8809C56437B083F3C@boron.mltempo.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms050706040800040602060502" X-No-Spam-Score: Local X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:14:42 -0500 X-OldDate: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:01:53 -0500 Sender: ftp-wg-owner X-Listname: ftp-wg@hethmon.com Reply-To: FTPEXT Working Group From: Jeffrey Altman To: FTPEXT Working Group Subject: Ftp-WG: status of rfc 2228 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050706040800040602060502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The draft in question is currently an individual submission of Paul V Ford-Hutchinson who would like nothing more than to see this draft get approval. If you send an e-mail to the Internet-Draft editor indicating that the draft should now be considered a working group item, it will be relabeled as such. I have been trying for years to get the Security ADs to process it as an individual submission. They are just too overloaded with work to deal with it. It ends up in a pile. Part of the reason that can happen is that individual submissions unlike working group items are not tracked by the IESG work flow system in the same way. - Jeff Paul Hethmon wrote: >Right, I realize that. I was saying that that draft was the >product of another working group, evidently the Network Working >Group (according to the RFC). I remember it coming up for >discussion in our group briefly when it was submitted for >proposed standard. By then the work was complete in the other >group. > >That said, I don't mind submitting it from this group to >advance it, if their is consensus. Someone should contact the >authors and see if there are any revisions which should be >made. The same question should go to any implementors. > >Paul > >-------------------- > >Paul Hethmon >Project Manager >Marketlinx Solutions >865.777.0088 (work) >865.777.1188 (fax) >865.218.3629 (desk) >865.250.3517 (cell) > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Jeffrey Altman [mailto:jaltman@columbia.edu] >>Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:49 PM >>To: FTPEXT Working Group >>Subject: Ftp-WG: status of rfc 2228 >> >> >>Paul: >> >>There is no "FTP Security" Working Group. The only FTP >>related working >>group is the FTP Extensions" Working Group. >> >>- Jeff >> >> >>Paul Hethmon wrote: >> >> >> >>>Well, our track record of getting the AD's to do anything is not >>>great. The MLST proposal which is what started this group anyway >>>about 7 years ago still has not made it to draft. I've submitted >>>it several times. >>> >>>As far as 2228, it was handled by the security working group >>>I believe. It certainly was not handled through this one. 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-0500 Received: from columbia.edu (66-108-138-151.nyc.rr.com [66.108.138.151]) (user=jaltman mech=PLAIN bits=0) by brazilnut.cc.columbia.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hA4KAFVv012275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:10:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3FA8079B.7040409@columbia.edu> Organization: Columbia University in the City of New York User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20031104150858-25180-9@mail.hethmon.com> In-Reply-To: <20031104150858-25180-9@mail.hethmon.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms010100090308050305080504" X-No-Spam-Score: Local X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:22:47 -0500 X-OldDate: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:10:03 -0500 Sender: ftp-wg-owner X-Listname: ftp-wg@hethmon.com Reply-To: FTPEXT Working Group From: Jeffrey Altman To: FTPEXT Working Group Subject: Ftp-WG: status of rfc 2228 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010100090308050305080504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alun Jones wrote: >So what does the following mean? > >"The IESG has approved following document: > >"- 'Extensions to FTP ' >" as a Proposed Standard" > >I thought that meant it was on its way to RFC-hood. > > > From http://www.rfc-editor.org/queue.html : 2003/10/06 draft-ietf-ftpext-mlst-16.txt RFC-EDITOR R. Elz, P. Hethmon Extensions to FTP Bytes: 138360 The document has been approved and is awaiting formatting by the RFC-EDITOR. When the formatting is complete, the document will be assigned an RFC number and the working group chain and the authors will be given 72 hours to approve the document for publication. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1213 In-Reply-To: <529ED587BF6FB24B88F9085D719C548F01D3228B@USMV-EXCH3.na.uis.unisys.com> Thread-Index: AcOjDwT8+RzXAYL+TG2CpWVgEMqp8AAADzBg X-Loop-Detect: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:24:43 -0500 X-OldDate: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:11:00 -0600 Sender: ftp-wg-owner X-Listname: ftp-wg@hethmon.com Reply-To: FTPEXT Working Group From: "Alun Jones" To: "'FTPEXT Working Group'" Subject: Ftp-WG: status of rfc 2228 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > From: ftp-wg-owner [mailto:ftp-wg-owner@hethmon.com] On > Behalf Of Hornby, Peter W > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:15 PM > > I think we have a little misunderstanding here. The > discussion skipped > smartly from RFC 2228 to the FTP-over-SSL draft > (draft-murray-auth-ftp-ssl-12.txt), by virtue of a message > from Alun Jones > which hasn't arrived here yet. RFC 2228 is, as you say, a > standards-track > document, and there's nothing more to do unless someone wants > to advance it > to Draft Standard. The SSL draft is another story, and it's > that story > which Jeff was trying to clarify. It's not helped by the fact that there's drafts (Internet Draft Documents, ietf-draft-*.txt) and drafts (RFCs that document Draft Standards). If you ask me, it's all daft. But yes, Paul, what I'm looking for (and I hope others will support) is to turn draft-murray-auth-ftp-ssl-12.txt into an RFC as soon as possible - if that is best achieved by having this WG adopt it and push for its inclusion, then I'd very much like that. Rough consensus and working code - the large number of interoperating implementations out there should be enough to establish both of these. Alun. ~~~~ -- Texas Imperial Software | Find us at http://www.wftpd.com or email 1602 Harvest Moon Place | alun@texis.com. Cedar Park TX 78613-1419 | WFTPD, WFTPD Pro are Windows FTP servers. Fax/Voice +1(512)258-9858 | Try our NEW client software, WFTPD Explorer. From ftp-wg-owner@hethmon.com Wed Nov 5 03:07:21 2003 Received: from mail.hethmon.com ([12.166.240.139]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id DAA25146 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 03:07:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.hethmon.com (12.166.240.139 [12.166.240.139]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Smtpd Perseus) id 20031105030950-21483-9 ; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 03:09:50 -0500 Received: from ratree.psu.ac.th (ratree.psu.ac.th [202.12.73.3]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Smtpd Perseus) id 20031105030946-33408-9 ; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 03:09:47 -0500 Received: from delta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (delta.coe.psu.ac.th [172.30.0.98]) by ratree.psu.ac.th (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hA57udg12199 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:56:40 +0700 (ICT) Received: from munnari.OZ.AU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by delta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hA57uMT00363 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:56:31 +0700 (ICT) In-Reply-To: <20031104150858-25180-9@mail.hethmon.com> References: <20031104150858-25180-9@mail.hethmon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <4556.1068018982@munnari.OZ.AU> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 03:09:49 -0500 X-OldDate: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 14:56:22 +0700 Sender: ftp-wg-owner X-Listname: ftp-wg@hethmon.com Reply-To: FTPEXT Working Group From: Robert Elz To: FTPEXT Working Group Subject: Ftp-WG: status of rfc 2228 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:08:59 -0500 From: "Alun Jones" Message-ID: <20031104150858-25180-9@mail.hethmon.com> | So what does the following mean? | | "The IESG has approved following document: | | "- 'Extensions to FTP ' | " as a Proposed Standard" | | I thought that meant it was on its way to RFC-hood. It is, the RFC Editor is working on it now. So far, the only editor changes have been 2 updated references (ones that have been replaced since they were included in the doc ...) and the deletion of the reference of rfc1034 (DNS) which was only ever referred to from the text about the HOST command, and which I should have found and deleted when the HOST command text was removed... Paul, if you want your affiliation or contact details updated, right now would be the time to make that happen! kre From ftp-wg-owner@hethmon.com Wed Nov 5 03:34:52 2003 Received: from mail.hethmon.com ([12.166.240.139]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id DAA25893 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 03:34:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.hethmon.com (12.166.240.139 [12.166.240.139]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Smtpd Perseus) id 20031105033724-37407-10 ; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 03:37:24 -0500 Received: from stat.com (stat.com [207.211.1.10]) by mail.hethmon.com (Hethmon Smtpd Perseus) id 20031105033723-11106-10 ; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 03:37:23 -0500 Received: from ratree.psu.ac.th [202.12.73.3] by stat.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.03) id A3D5BED01CA; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 01:24:53 -0700 Received: from delta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (delta.coe.psu.ac.th [172.30.0.98]) by ratree.psu.ac.th (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hA58JPg26576 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:19:25 +0700 (ICT) Received: from munnari.OZ.AU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by delta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hA58JGT23240 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:19:16 +0700 (ICT) In-Reply-To: <004EB4F1C04D784A9F0DA8809C56437B083F3C@boron.mltempo.net> References: <004EB4F1C04D784A9F0DA8809C56437B083F3C@boron.mltempo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <4684.1068020356@munnari.OZ.AU> X-Declude-Sender: kre@munnari.OZ.AU [202.12.73.3] Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 03:37:23 -0500 X-OldDate: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:19:16 +0700 Sender: ftp-wg-owner X-Listname: ftp-wg@hethmon.com Reply-To: FTPEXT Working Group From: Robert Elz To: FTPEXT Working Group Subject: Ftp-WG: status of rfc 2228 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:00:34 -0500 From: "Paul Hethmon" Message-ID: <004EB4F1C04D784A9F0DA8809C56437B083F3C@boron.mltempo.net> | Right, I realize that. I was saying that that draft was the | product of another working group, evidently the Network Working | Group (according to the RFC). This is getting way off the topic now, but the "Network Working Group" that appears in RFCs is (was) the body of which the IETF was a part (network working group of DARPA I believe - or something like that). That string appears in all RFCs, and these days is just a meaningless acknowledgement of the historical roots. kre From gmrpress@mail.com Sat Nov 15 06:38:22 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA05025 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 06:38:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKyl7-0006hU-00 for ftpext-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 06:38:33 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AKyl6-0006hQ-00 for ftpext-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 06:38:32 -0500 Received: from [203.162.21.114] (helo=ietf.org) by manatick with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AKykq-0001rR-Be for ftpext-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 06:38:17 -0500 Reply-To: "ConstruNews" From: "Temas "Patrulhados"" To: ftpext-archive@ietf.org Subject: Lindenberg: opiniões "politicamente incorretas" vêm sendo marginalizadas ref.: osk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 06:38:17 -0500

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Temas "patrulhados"

Opiniões "politicamente incorretas" vêm sendo marginalizadas no debate nacional, diz Lindenberg

* Patrulhamento...

Em meios empresariais e religiosos continua repercutindo o livro "Os católicos e a economia de mercado", de autoria de Adolpho Lindenberg. O trabalho denuncia uma política com viés esquerdista que visa censurar, marginalizar ou encobrir com um manto de silêncio, notícias, comentários, livros, reportagens e opiniões "politicamente incorretas", não afinadas com as assim denominadas "causas sociais". Noutras palavras, os meios de comunicação, e a própria sociedade brasileira, estão sendo "patrulhados".

* Antídoto

O antídoto para esta situação de violência psicológica e espiritual consiste na difusão - por meios alternativos, se preciso for - de informações idôneas, capazes de esclarecer a opinião pública e provocar debates construtivos. Com efeito, uma vez rompidos os anteparos da censura, cada um em seu próprio ambiente poderá, sem medo, manifestar sua opinião sobre os assuntos 'patrulhados'. É a proposta inovadora de um programa de libertação ideológica, impulsionado pela coragem, em defesa do esclarecimento popular.

* Esclarecimento!

Esse programa tem alcance prático, especialmente para os católicos. O destaque que, há muitos anos, a mídia vem dando aos pronunciamentos de bispos e sacerdotes (em geral ligados à CNBB), que favorecem as invasões de terras promovidas pelos MST, bem como às repetidas críticas à Área de Livre Comércio das Américas (ALCA), às privatizações, à alegada ameaça das multinacionais e do capital estrangeiro, e até mesmo ao plantio de transgênicos, apresenta dois inconvenientes sérios. Em primeiro lugar, tais pronunciamentos podem criar a impressão de que a maioria do Episcopado e dos setores mais responsáveis do Clero brasileiro pensa como esses prelados. Em segundo, de que as teses da Teologia da Libertação têm fundamentos sólidos na doutrina católica. Tudo isso tem muita importância prática. Com efeito, na vasta rede de movimentos contestatários, ativa no país inteiro, a ala progressista religiosa se sobressai hoje como o setor mais ativo e mais radical nas proposições.

* Temáticas

Diante deste cenário e visando alertar a opinião pública católica, o livro acima citado procura debater as seguintes temáticas:

- Capitalismo, globalização, neoliberalismo e privatizações seriam os grandes responsáveis pelos bolsões de misérias, desigualdades sociais e dependência externa (isto é, dos Estados Unidos)?

- Os programas sociais estatais seriam a solução para combater a fome, o analfabetismo, o atraso e a indigência das classes mais pobres do Brasil?

- O materialismo, o anonimato, a exclusão social, o relacionamento burocrático entre as pessoas são causados muito especialmente pelo crescimento desordenado das cidades ou sobretudo pela descristianização de nossos hábitos?

* Informe-se!

Informe-se desses assuntos - e ainda de vários outros - no livro "Os católicos e a economia de mercado". Você pode adquiri-lo, clicando nos links abaixo. E complemente seus dados com artigos de Adolpho Lindenberg que lhe serão enviados gratuitamente (clique nos links abaixo). O autor analisa tais assuntos com base na doutrina social católica, expressa nas encíclicas: discorre sobre as relações entre a economia e a moral, liberdade e responsabilidade dos atos econômicos, direito de propriedade, respeito às leis naturais no mercado, liceidade do lucro, assistência social, relações humanas na empresa e na vida civil.

* Destaque

E, por fim, um ponto com merecido destaque em "Os católicos e a economia de mercado": como as reivindicações "sociais" têm como fim o socorro aos necessitados e a diminuição de desigualdades sociais, é indispensável ter em vista que esse objetivo só poderia ser alcançado com a elevação significativa do padrão de vida do povo (para o autor, por uma dose maior de capitalismo autêntico) e sobretudo pela recristianização da sociedade. A assistência aos necessitados deve, além do mais, sempre que possível, ter um tom pessoal, familiar, típico das sociedades orgânicas harmonicamente diferenciadas, das quais ainda se encontram reflexos vivos em antigas cidades do interior brasileiro. Ali ainda hoje subsistem hospitais, creches, asilos, de iniciativa religiosa e particular, que atendem aos necessitados de modo mais humano e eficaz que a assistência estatal prestada nas grandes metrópoles.

LINKS DE OPINIÃO:

Entre aqueles que enviarem sua valiosa opinião a respeito do texto acima, até 30 de novembro, usando qualquer um dos três links seguintes, serão sorteados 10 exemplares do livro "Os católicos e a economia de mercado". Os favorecidos serão comunicados por e-mail e deverão enviar o endereço postal para receberem os exemplares do livro, por Correio).

Lindenberg:Concordo (pode simplesmente enviar seu voto virtual, e acrescentar seu comentário caso desejar)

Lindenberg:Discordo (idem)

Lindenberg:MinhaOpinião (para enviar sua valiosa opinião, assim como sugerir a Lindenberg temas relacionados com a temática apresentada, a serem abordados em seus próximos artigos)

LINKS PARA ADQUIRIR O LIVRO

Lindenberg:DesejoAdquirirLivroEditora (receberá por e-mail o link para adquirir o livro impresso, diretamente da Editora, com cartão de crédito ou boleto bancário; preço: R$ 30,00 mais SEDEX)

Lindenberg:DesejoAdquirirE-Book (para adquirir o livro, em formato Word, que será enviado por e-mail; receberá número de conta bancária para efetuar transferência; preço promocional do e-book, até 30 de novembro: R$ 8,80)

LINKS PARA RECEBER ARTIGOS GRATUITOS:

PaginasGratuitas (para receber gratuitamente, por e-mail, Índice e Introdução à edição brasileira do livro de Lindenberg)

GratuitamenteArtigosAnteriores

GratuitamenteProximosArtigos

GratuitamenteTodosOsArtigos

Para solicitar alguns títulos específicos:

Artigo1 "Acabemos com mais uma exclusão: o Brasil precisa ouvir a voz do Clero sem-microfone"

Artigo2 "Moral e Economia"

Artigo3 "Assistência Social e Capitalismo não precisam estar em guerra: podem dar o abraço da paz"

Artigo4 "Intervencionismo estatal e fermentação revolucionária versus assistência particular e personalizada"

Próximos temas:

"Capitalismo, globalização, neoliberalismo, privatizações"

"Economia de Mercado, Neoliberalismo"

"Estatização da Economia"

LINK DE REMOÇÃO

ConstruNews:Remover ftpext-archive@ietf.org

LINK PARA TOMAR CONTATO COM LINDENBERG

Lindenberg:TomarContato (também pode ligar diretamente, se desejar, ao 11- 92527873, em São Paulo)

A difusão e o conteúdo desta mensagem são de exclusiva responsabilidade da ConstruNews

 

 

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Amigos:

O Primeiro Fórum Social Brasileiro (FSB) efetuou-se de 6 a 9 de novembro pp. na cidade brasileira de Belo Horizonte. Organizado pelo conselho brasileiro do Fórum Social Mundial (FSM), contou com a participação de 1.200 organizações brasileiras, de 15 mil ativistas inscritos oficialmente e de outros 15 mil convidados, entre os quais, observadores de 22 países.

O importante evento, um dos maiores até aqui realizados pelas esquerdas brasileiras, passou desapercebido aos grandes meios de comunicação.

O FSB foi marcado por conferências de cunho comuno-anárquico no político, oposto à propriedade privada e a livre iniciativa; e permissivistas no moral, a favor do aborto, da homossexualidade e da "transversalidade". Constituiu uma oportunidade única para obter uma radiografia atualizada das esquerdas brasileiras, com suas novas e velhas estratégias, seus dilemas, suas utopias, suas contradições internas, seus problemas e seus temores. Uma radiografia indispensável para conhecer o que poderá passar no curto e médio prazo com o regime Lula, com o Brasil e, em boa medida, com a América do Sul.

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Cordialmente, Roberto Fernández-Lopez, Ámbito Iberoamericano, Madri.

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Série Fórum Social Brasileiro: radiografia das esquerdas

(Belo Horizonte, Nov. 6-9, 2003)

 

1) FSB: radiografia das esquerdas

Importante congresso de movimentos contestátarios brasileiros passa desapercebido aos grandes meios de comunicação

2) FSB: esquerdas debatem utopias, estratégias e dilemas

Os fantasmas de governos de esquerda derrocados na América Latina ressurgem em meio de ásperos debates

3) FSB: conjuntura latino-americana e política externa lulista

Recolocar o socialismo como uma alternativa viável e derrotar os Estados Unidos são duas das metas internacionais das esquerdas no FSB

4) FSB: articulações de "esquerda católica", MST e indigenistas

Uma "nova lógica" de construção do poder, através de "redes" de ONGs, para controlar o Estado e a sociedade

5) FSB: a meta de "desconstrução" e "reinvenção" do homem e da sociedade

Uma mudança de mentalidades que afaste o mais possivel o ser humano dos Mandamentos da Lei de Deus

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