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Hi,

Thanks to those who were able to come out and participate in last=20
week=E2=80=99s Video Interest Group meetings at IETF 104!

Thumbnail re-cap =E2=80=94 there=E2=80=99s clear interest in _some_ kind =
of=20
formalization of the activity at the IETF; people who=E2=80=99ve been=20
following along have been leaning towards an OPS area WG.  We=E2=80=99ll =
see=20
what the ADs decide.

In the meantime, you can find notes from our VIG meeting here:

https://yana.techark.org/20190327-video-interest-group-final/

And presentations from Jake Holland, Sanjay Mishra and Marc Cymontkowski=20
here:

https://yana.techark.org/vig-at-ietf/vig-at-ietf-104-presentations/

(I was going to attach them, but they aren=E2=80=99t all small).

Leslie.

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<p dir=3D"auto">Hi,</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Thanks to those who were able to come out and participate=
 in last week=E2=80=99s Video Interest Group meetings at IETF 104!</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Thumbnail re-cap =E2=80=94 there=E2=80=99s clear interest=
 in <em>some</em> kind of formalization of the activity at the IETF; peop=
le who=E2=80=99ve been following along have been leaning towards an OPS a=
rea WG.  We=E2=80=99ll see what the ADs decide.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">In the meantime, you can find notes from our VIG meeting =
here:</p>

<p dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"https://yana.techark.org/20190327-video-intere=
st-group-final/" style=3D"color:#3983C4">https://yana.techark.org/2019032=
7-video-interest-group-final/</a></p>

<p dir=3D"auto">And presentations from Jake Holland, Sanjay Mishra and Ma=
rc Cymontkowski here:</p>

<p dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"https://yana.techark.org/vig-at-ietf/vig-at-ie=
tf-104-presentations/" style=3D"color:#3983C4">https://yana.techark.org/v=
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<p dir=3D"auto">(I was going to attach them, but they aren=E2=80=99t all =
small).</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Leslie.</p>

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Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises</p>

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Hiya,

The short answer is, no, we=E2=80=99ve heard nothing from the ADs since w=
e had =

discussions in Prague.  I am following up with them.

In the meantime, here=E2=80=99s the draft charter, following our discussi=
on in =

the VIG Whither session in Prague.

Media OPS (MOPS) WG

The Media OPS Working Group is a forum for coordinating the deployment, =

engineering, and operation of media streaming and manipulation protocols =

and procedures in the global Internet, inter-domain and single domain. =

In this case, media is considered to include the transport of video, =

audio, objects and any combination thereof, possibly non-sequentially. =

The scope is media and media protocols=E2=80=99 interactions with the net=
work, =

but not the technology of control protocols or media formats.
=E2=80=A8This activity will include, but not be limited to:
=E2=80=93 Document deployment operational gaps for video in the global =

Internet, including last mile issues
=E2=80=93 Receive regular reports on the current state of the deployment =
of =

media technology, and media technology industry technology developments
=E2=80=93 Create "practice and experience" documents that capture the =

experience of those who have deployed and are deploying various media =

technologies.
=E2=80=93 Based on reports and other information, provide feedback to oth=
er =

relevant working groups.
=E2=80=93 Develop mechanisms and procedures for sharing operational =

information to aid in operation of media technologies in the global =

Internet
=E2=80=93 Develop tools, extend protocols and provide operational and =

implementation advice that assists in media technology administration, =

diagnostics, troubleshooting and deployment between/within native and =

=E2=80=A8non-native environments.
=E2=80=93 This working group may develop requirements and assist in revie=
w and =

feedback of documents in other working groups responsible for such =

protocols.

Thoughts welcome.

Leslie.

On 22 Apr 2019, at 20:25, Holland, Jake wrote:

> Hi Leslie,
>
> Thanks for putting this together.
>
> I was wondering whether there was any update yet on the draft charter =

> for the media ops wg we discussed in Prague?  Or any other discussions =

> that have been happening on that front?
>
> Thanks and regards,
> Jake
>
> From: Leslie Daigle <ldaigle@thinkingcat.com>
> Date: 2019-04-02 at 14:13
> To: "ggie@ietf.org" <ggie@ietf.org>
> Subject: [GGIE] Notes and presentations -- VIG at IETF 104
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks to those who were able to come out and participate in last =

> week=E2=80=99s Video Interest Group meetings at IETF 104!
>
> Thumbnail re-cap =E2=80=94 there=E2=80=99s clear interest in some kind =
of =

> formalization of the activity at the IETF; people who=E2=80=99ve been =

> following along have been leaning towards an OPS area WG. We=E2=80=99ll=
 see =

> what the ADs decide.
>
> In the meantime, you can find notes from our VIG meeting here:
>
> https://yana.techark.org/20190327-video-interest-group-final/<https://u=
rldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__yana.techark.org_20190327-2=
Dvideo-2Dinterest-2Dgroup-2Dfinal_&d=3DDwMFaQ&c=3D96ZbZZcaMF4w0F4jpN6LZg&=
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>
>
> And presentations from Jake Holland, Sanjay Mishra and Marc =

> Cymontkowski here:
>
> https://yana.techark.org/vig-at-ietf/vig-at-ietf-104-presentations/<htt=
ps://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__yana.techark.org_vig-=
2Dat-2Dietf_vig-2Dat-2Dietf-2D104-2Dpresentations_&d=3DDwMFaQ&c=3D96ZbZZc=
aMF4w0F4jpN6LZg&r=3DbqnFROivDo_4iF8Z3R4DyNWKbbMeXr0LOgLnElT1Ook&m=3DyzWM1=
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w0rPC-lulpGQ4&e=3D>
>
> (I was going to attach them, but they aren=E2=80=99t all small).
>
> Leslie.
>
> --
>
> ________________________________
>
> Leslie Daigle
> Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises
>
> ldaigle@thinkingcat.com<mailto:ldaigle@thinkingcat.com>



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p dir=3D"auto">Hiya,</p>
<p dir=3D"auto">The short answer is, no, we=E2=80=99ve heard nothing from=
 the ADs since we had discussions in Prague.  I am following up with them=
=2E</p>
<p dir=3D"auto">In the meantime, here=E2=80=99s the draft charter, follow=
ing our discussion in the VIG Whither session in Prague.</p>
<p dir=3D"auto">Media OPS (MOPS) WG</p>
<p dir=3D"auto">The Media OPS Working Group is a forum for coordinating t=
he deployment, engineering, and operation of media streaming and manipula=
tion protocols and procedures in the global Internet, inter-domain and si=
ngle domain. In this case, media is considered to include the transport o=
f video, audio, objects and any combination thereof, possibly non-sequent=
ially. The scope is media and media protocols=E2=80=99 interactions with =
the network, but not the technology of control protocols or media formats=
=2E<br>
=E2=80=A8This activity will include, but not be limited to:<br>
=E2=80=93 Document deployment operational gaps for video in the global In=
ternet, including last mile issues<br>
=E2=80=93 Receive regular reports on the current state of the deployment =
of media technology, and media technology industry technology development=
s<br>
=E2=80=93 Create "practice and experience" documents that capture the exp=
erience of those who have deployed and are deploying various media techno=
logies.<br>
=E2=80=93 Based on reports and other information, provide feedback to oth=
er relevant working groups.<br>
=E2=80=93 Develop mechanisms and procedures for sharing operational infor=
mation to aid in operation of media technologies in the global Internet<b=
r>
=E2=80=93 Develop tools, extend protocols and provide operational and imp=
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=E2=80=93 This working group may develop requirements and assist in revie=
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<p dir=3D"auto">Thoughts welcome.</p>
<p dir=3D"auto">Leslie.</p>
<p dir=3D"auto">On 22 Apr 2019, at 20:25, Holland, Jake wrote:</p>
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<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
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<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'>Thanks for putting this together.</p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'>I was wondering whether there was any update yet =
on the draft charter for the media ops wg we discussed in Prague? =C2=A0O=
r any other discussions that have been happening on that front?</p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'>Thanks and regards,</p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'>Jake</p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
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=2E0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Leslie Daigle &lt=
;ldaigle@thinkingcat.com&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>2019-04-02 at 14:13<br>
<b>To: </b>"ggie@ietf.org" &lt;ggie@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[GGIE] Notes and presentations -- VIG at IETF 104</span><=
/p>
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<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt; margin-left:0.5in'>=C2=A0</p>
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<p style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-ser=
if'>Hi,</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-ser=
if'>Thanks to those who were able to come out and participate in last wee=
k=E2=80=99s Video Interest Group meetings at IETF 104!</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-ser=
if'>Thumbnail re-cap =E2=80=94 there=E2=80=99s clear interest in
<em><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>some</span></em> kind =
of formalization of the activity at the IETF; people who=E2=80=99ve been =
following along have been leaning towards an OPS area WG. We=E2=80=99ll s=
ee what the ADs decide.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-ser=
if'>In the meantime, you can find notes from our VIG meeting here:</span>=
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-ser=
if'><a href=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__yan=
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<p style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-ser=
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<p style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-ser=
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Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises</span></p>
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Hi =C3=89ric,

Thanks for the review and feedback.

To the specific point:   =E2=80=9Ca forum for coordinating the deployment=
, =

=2E.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 that=E2=80=99s actually text pretty much straight=
 from MBONED WG.  =

I=E2=80=99d be afraid of just a mailing list, too =E2=80=94 rather, we=E2=
=80=99d like to =

have regular meetings so that it=E2=80=99s a visible place for people wor=
king =

on technology outside of the IETF to come and talk.  E.g., those using =

WebRTC for new and interesting purposes.

Which, I=E2=80=99ll observe, is a different role than the v6ops WG=E2=80=99=
s focus =

on =E2=80=9Csoliciting input from network operators and identifying =

operational issues with <a specific IETF protocol>=E2=80=9D.

Leslie.

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On 23 Apr 2019, at 18:55, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote:

> Hello Leslie,
>
> Thank you for pushing this VIG forward. And, thank you as well for =

> drafting a WG charter (but do not forget to ask for a WG-forming BoF =

> for July 2019)
>
> About the charter itself, may I suggest to follow the structure of =

> V6OPS? Esp for the last bullet?
>
> Also unsure whether =E2=80=9Ca forum for coordinating the deployment, .=
=2E.=E2=80=9D =

> is accurate. If we ask for a forum, then we will get a mailing list (I =

> am afraid). Also, do we need to =E2=80=98coordinate=E2=80=99 ?
>
> Again, thank you for pushing video forward
>
> -=C3=A9ric
>
>
> From: GGIE <ggie-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Leslie Daigle =

> <ldaigle@thinkingcat.com>
> Date: Tuesday, 23 April 2019 at 18:03
> To: "Holland, Jake" <jholland@akamai.com>
> Cc: "ggie@ietf.org" <ggie@ietf.org>
> Subject: [GGIE] Draft charter Re: Notes and presentations -- VIG at =

> IETF 104
>
>
> Hiya,
>
> The short answer is, no, we=E2=80=99ve heard nothing from the ADs since=
 we =

> had discussions in Prague. I am following up with them.
>
> In the meantime, here=E2=80=99s the draft charter, following our discus=
sion =

> in the VIG Whither session in Prague.
>
> Media OPS (MOPS) WG
>
> The Media OPS Working Group is a forum for coordinating the =

> deployment, engineering, and operation of media streaming and =

> manipulation protocols and procedures in the global Internet, =

> inter-domain and single domain. In this case, media is considered to =

> include the transport of video, audio, objects and any combination =

> thereof, possibly non-sequentially. The scope is media and media =

> protocols=E2=80=99 interactions with the network, but not the technolog=
y of =

> control protocols or media formats.
> =E2=80=A8This activity will include, but not be limited to:
> =E2=80=93 Document deployment operational gaps for video in the global =

> Internet, including last mile issues
> =E2=80=93 Receive regular reports on the current state of the deploymen=
t of =

> media technology, and media technology industry technology =

> developments
> =E2=80=93 Create "practice and experience" documents that capture the =

> experience of those who have deployed and are deploying various media =

> technologies.
> =E2=80=93 Based on reports and other information, provide feedback to o=
ther =

> relevant working groups.
> =E2=80=93 Develop mechanisms and procedures for sharing operational =

> information to aid in operation of media technologies in the global =

> Internet
> =E2=80=93 Develop tools, extend protocols and provide operational and =

> implementation advice that assists in media technology administration, =

> diagnostics, troubleshooting and deployment between/within native and =

> =E2=80=A8non-native environments.
> =E2=80=93 This working group may develop requirements and assist in rev=
iew =

> and feedback of documents in other working groups responsible for such =

> protocols.
>
> Thoughts welcome.
>
> Leslie.
>
> On 22 Apr 2019, at 20:25, Holland, Jake wrote:
>
> Hi Leslie,
>
>
>
> Thanks for putting this together.
>
>
>
> I was wondering whether there was any update yet on the draft charter =

> for the media ops wg we discussed in Prague?  Or any other discussions =

> that have been happening on that front?
>
>
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Jake
>
>
>
> From: Leslie Daigle <ldaigle@thinkingcat.com>
> Date: 2019-04-02 at 14:13
> To: "ggie@ietf.org" <ggie@ietf.org>
> Subject: [GGIE] Notes and presentations -- VIG at IETF 104
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks to those who were able to come out and participate in last =

> week=E2=80=99s Video Interest Group meetings at IETF 104!
>
> Thumbnail re-cap =E2=80=94 there=E2=80=99s clear interest in some kind =
of =

> formalization of the activity at the IETF; people who=E2=80=99ve been =

> following along have been leaning towards an OPS area WG. We=E2=80=99ll=
 see =

> what the ADs decide.
>
> In the meantime, you can find notes from our VIG meeting here:
>
> https://yana.techark.org/20190327-video-interest-group-final/<https://u=
rldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__yana.techark.org_20190327-2=
Dvideo-2Dinterest-2Dgroup-2Dfinal_&d=3DDwMFaQ&c=3D96ZbZZcaMF4w0F4jpN6LZg&=
r=3DbqnFROivDo_4iF8Z3R4DyNWKbbMeXr0LOgLnElT1Ook&m=3DyzWM1kLYys21AFp28yhil=
NkVnuSOEkIc1hkzo5irzbE&s=3D7p-fG6ZisgqfPfiO7tWe9XUh3PXAHXZ2qTM3uxZljwo&e=3D=
>
>
> And presentations from Jake Holland, Sanjay Mishra and Marc =

> Cymontkowski here:
>
> https://yana.techark.org/vig-at-ietf/vig-at-ietf-104-presentations/<htt=
ps://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__yana.techark.org_vig-=
2Dat-2Dietf_vig-2Dat-2Dietf-2D104-2Dpresentations_&d=3DDwMFaQ&c=3D96ZbZZc=
aMF4w0F4jpN6LZg&r=3DbqnFROivDo_4iF8Z3R4DyNWKbbMeXr0LOgLnElT1Ook&m=3DyzWM1=
kLYys21AFp28yhilNkVnuSOEkIc1hkzo5irzbE&s=3DXz5n4CSyPXoCvqT11ieXiUeCrQf9DD=
w0rPC-lulpGQ4&e=3D>
>
> (I was going to attach them, but they aren=E2=80=99t all small).
>
> Leslie.
>
> --
>
> ________________________________
>
> Leslie Daigle
> Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises
>
> ldaigle@thinkingcat.com<mailto:ldaigle@thinkingcat.com>



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<p dir=3D"auto">Hi =C3=89ric,</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Thanks for the review and feedback.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">To the specific point:   =E2=80=9Ca forum for coordinatin=
g the deployment, ..=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 that=E2=80=99s actually text pret=
ty much straight from MBONED WG.  I=E2=80=99d be afraid of just a mailing=
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 v6ops WG=E2=80=99s focus on =E2=80=9Csoliciting input from network opera=
tors and identifying operational issues with &lt;a specific IETF protocol=
&gt;=E2=80=9D.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">Leslie.</p>

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<p dir=3D"auto">Leslie Daigle<br>
Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises</p>

<h2 style=3D"font-size:1.2em"><a href=3D"mailto:ldaigle@thinkingcat.com" =
style=3D"color:#3983C4">ldaigle@thinkingcat.com</a></h2>

<p dir=3D"auto">On 23 Apr 2019, at 18:55, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote:</p=
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<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'>Hello Leslie,</p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'>Thank you for pushing this VIG forward. And, than=
k you as well for drafting a WG charter (but do not forget to ask for a W=
G-forming BoF for July 2019)</p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'>About the charter itself, may I suggest to follow=
 the structure of V6OPS? Esp for the last bullet?</p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'>Also unsure whether =E2=80=9Ca forum for coordina=
ting the deployment, ...=E2=80=9D is accurate. If we ask for a forum, the=
n we will get a mailing list (I am afraid). Also, do we need to =E2=80=98=
coordinate=E2=80=99 ?
</p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'>Again, thank you for pushing video forward</p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'>-=C3=A9ric</p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt'>=C2=A0</p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0c=
m 0cm 0cm">
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt; margin-left:36pt'><b><span style=3D"font-size:12.=
0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">GGIE &lt;ggie-bou=
nces@ietf.org&gt; on behalf of Leslie Daigle &lt;ldaigle@thinkingcat.com&=
gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 23 April 2019 at 18:03<br>
<b>To: </b>"Holland, Jake" &lt;jholland@akamai.com&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>"ggie@ietf.org" &lt;ggie@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[GGIE] Draft charter Re: Notes and presentations -- VIG a=
t IETF 104</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:11pt; margin:0; =
margin-bottom:0.0001pt; margin-left:36pt'>=C2=A0</p>
</div>
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<div>
<p style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif'>Hiya,</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif'>The short answer is, no, we=E2=80=99ve heard nothing from the ADs s=
ince we had discussions in Prague. I am following up with them.</span></p=
>
<p style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif'>In the meantime, here=E2=80=99s the draft charter, following our di=
scussion in the VIG Whither session in Prague.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif'>Media OPS (MOPS) WG</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif'>The Media OPS Working Group is a forum for coordinating the deploym=
ent, engineering, and operation of media streaming and manipulation proto=
cols and procedures in the global Internet,
 inter-domain and single domain. In this case, media is considered to inc=
lude the transport of video, audio, objects and any combination thereof, =
possibly non-sequentially. The scope is media and media protocols=E2=80=99=
 interactions with the network, but not the technology
 of control protocols or media formats.<br>
</span><span style=3D'font-family:"MS Gothic"'>=E2=80=A8</span><span styl=
e=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>This activity will include, but not =
be limited to:<br>
=E2=80=93 Document deployment operational gaps for video in the global In=
ternet, including last mile issues<br>
=E2=80=93 Receive regular reports on the current state of the deployment =
of media technology, and media technology industry technology development=
s<br>
=E2=80=93 Create "practice and experience" documents that capture the exp=
erience of those who have deployed and are deploying various media techno=
logies.<br>
=E2=80=93 Based on reports and other information, provide feedback to oth=
er relevant working groups.<br>
=E2=80=93 Develop mechanisms and procedures for sharing operational infor=
mation to aid in operation of media technologies in the global Internet<b=
r>
=E2=80=93 Develop tools, extend protocols and provide operational and imp=
lementation advice that assists in media technology administration, diagn=
ostics, troubleshooting and deployment between/within native and
</span><span style=3D'font-family:"MS Gothic"'>=E2=80=A8</span><span styl=
e=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>non-native environments.<br>
=E2=80=93 This working group may develop requirements and assist in revie=
w and feedback of documents in other working groups responsible for such =
protocols.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif'>Thoughts welcome.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif'>Leslie.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif'>On 22 Apr 2019, at 20:25, Holland, Jake wrote:</span></p>
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0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.75pt">=

<div id=3D"0C83B454-8869-4822-A756-38D8CA438D98">
<div>
<p style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mar=
gin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
<span style=3D"color:#777777">Hi Leslie,</span></p>
<p style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mar=
gin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
<span style=3D"color:#777777">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mar=
gin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
<span style=3D"color:#777777">Thanks for putting this together.</span></p=
>
<p style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mar=
gin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
<span style=3D"color:#777777">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mar=
gin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
<span style=3D"color:#777777">I was wondering whether there was any updat=
e yet on the draft charter for the media ops wg we discussed in Prague? =C2=
=A0Or any other discussions that have been happening on that front?</span=
></p>
<p style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mar=
gin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
<span style=3D"color:#777777">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mar=
gin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
<span style=3D"color:#777777">Thanks and regards,</span></p>
<p style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mar=
gin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
<span style=3D"color:#777777">Jake</span></p>
<p style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mar=
gin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
<span style=3D"color:#777777">=C2=A0</span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0c=
m 0cm 0cm">
<p style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mar=
gin-left:72.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Leslie Daigle &lt;ldaigle@thinkingca=
t.com&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>2019-04-02 at 14:13<br>
<b>To: </b>"ggie@ietf.org" &lt;ggie@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[GGIE] Notes and presentations -- VIG at IETF 104</span><=
span style=3D"color:#777777"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mar=
gin-left:72.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
<span style=3D"color:#777777">=C2=A0</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif;color:#777777'>Hi,</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif;color:#777777'>Thanks to those who were able to come out and partici=
pate in last week=E2=80=99s Video Interest Group meetings at IETF 104!</s=
pan></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif;color:#777777'>Thumbnail re-cap =E2=80=94 there=E2=80=99s clear inte=
rest in
<em><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>some</span></em> kind =
of formalization of the activity at the IETF; people who=E2=80=99ve been =
following along have been leaning towards an OPS area WG. We=E2=80=99ll s=
ee what the ADs decide.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif;color:#777777'>In the meantime, you can find notes from our VIG meet=
ing here:</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif;color:#777777'><a href=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=
=3Dhttps-3A__yana.techark.org_20190327-2Dvideo-2Dinterest-2Dgroup-2Dfinal=
_&amp;d=3DDwMFaQ&amp;c=3D96ZbZZcaMF4w0F4jpN6LZg&amp;r=3DbqnFROivDo_4iF8Z3=
R4DyNWKbbMeXr0LOgLnElT1Ook&amp;m=3DyzWM1kLYys21AFp28yhilNkVnuSOEkIc1hkzo5=
irzbE&amp;s=3D7p-fG6ZisgqfPfiO7tWe9XUh3PXAHXZ2qTM3uxZljwo&amp;e=3D" style=
=3D":visited{color:purple; mso-style-priority:99; text-decoration:underli=
ne} :link{color:blue; mso-style-priority:99; text-decoration:underline}">=
<span style=3D"color:#3983C4">https://yana.techark.org/20190327-video-int=
erest-group-final/</span></a></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif;color:#777777'>And presentations from Jake Holland, Sanjay Mishra an=
d Marc Cymontkowski here:</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif;color:#777777'><a href=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=
=3Dhttps-3A__yana.techark.org_vig-2Dat-2Dietf_vig-2Dat-2Dietf-2D104-2Dpre=
sentations_&amp;d=3DDwMFaQ&amp;c=3D96ZbZZcaMF4w0F4jpN6LZg&amp;r=3DbqnFROi=
vDo_4iF8Z3R4DyNWKbbMeXr0LOgLnElT1Ook&amp;m=3DyzWM1kLYys21AFp28yhilNkVnuSO=
EkIc1hkzo5irzbE&amp;s=3DXz5n4CSyPXoCvqT11ieXiUeCrQf9DDw0rPC-lulpGQ4&amp;e=
=3D" style=3D":visited{color:purple; mso-style-priority:99; text-decorati=
on:underline} :link{color:blue; mso-style-priority:99; text-decoration:un=
derline}"><span style=3D"color:#3983C4">https://yana.techark.org/vig-at-i=
etf/vig-at-ietf-104-presentations/</span></a></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif;color:#777777'>(I was going to attach them, but they aren=E2=80=99t =
all small).</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif;color:#777777'>Leslie.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif;color:#777777'>--
</span></p>
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<p style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif;color:#777777'>Leslie Daigle<br>
Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises</span></p>
<h2 style=3D'font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif; font-size:18pt; font-weig=
ht:bold; margin-left:72pt; margin-right:0; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; ms=
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y:9'><span style=3D'font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color=
:#777777'><a href=3D"mailto:ldaigle@thinkingcat.com" style=3D":visited{co=
lor:purple; mso-style-priority:99; text-decoration:underline} :link{color=
:blue; mso-style-priority:99; text-decoration:underline}"><span style=3D"=
color:#3983C4">ldaigle@thinkingcat.com</span></a></span><span style=3D"co=
lor:#777777"></span></h2>
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