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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 20:37:35 -0000 Charles, availability of the RPI based L2-VPN-bridges changes things significantly for me. I was previously rather blase about remote hackathons. As long as I can't see your network traffic, and look over your shoulder, and share caffeinated beverages with you, then I might as well just stick to efforts to run stuff over the Internet. I learnt of the bridge option late, and that would have changed my opinion. I suggest that you mention this option on the https://www.ietf.org/how/runningcode/hackathons/109-hackathon/ page. How soon are we able to test things? I might even want to prep devices and mail them to people. Right now, it's a bit buried on the wiki. The NOC team has been working to allow you to join the IETF network while attending the meeting remotely. With a Raspberry Pi 2 or newer the NOC has a recipe that will allow your team to be virtually connected to the IETF network with IPv4 and IPv6 addresses and many options (IPv6ONLY, a closed user group, NAT64, IPv6PD, and more) for you to use for your projects. Your project champion can request getting access by sending a message to ietf109virtualnetwork @ noc.ietf.org. Please include your project name and members. The NOC will provide you with the recipe. (oops, it seems that the email address does not yet work) -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ From nobody Fri Sep 11 14:31:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3F63A09DF for ; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 14:31:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com header.b=dElAtUyM; 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protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms070408080100010906070407" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [hackathon] IETF 109 Hackathon webpage and wiki are now live X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 19:27:56 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070408080100010906070407 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F84854C8F1C8E9D48BAA100E" Content-Language: fr This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F84854C8F1C8E9D48BAA100E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael, colleagues, It is worth considering in detail how a hackathon could happen in a=20 remote manner. I fully agree with you when you say 'look over the shoulder, share=20 caffeine, see packets' is very necessary, and impossible in a remote=20 hackathon. It is also difficult to support a hackathon activity by sendind devices=20 via post.=C2=A0 A package sent to me by US Post in April arrived in July.= =20 Another one in August took 1 month. I am interested in SLAAC trials; these are needing indeed both parties=20 to be together on a local link.=C2=A0 To separate them and put Internet=20 between them there might need VPN.=C2=A0 I suspect L2-VPN-bridge is that.= But=20 some linux devices are so small they might not implement VPN at all, or=20 might lack some kernel features that might be required for that.=C2=A0 So= =20 again, this is hard to realize. For my SLAAC activity, I am looking for testers of a SLAAC extension in=20 the kernel. This extension, in linux, makes it possible to run plens=20 like 65 and IIDs of length eg 63 (currently only 64/64 is possible in=20 linux).=C2=A0 I think we would like this tested more prior to submission = to=20 the mainline kernel.=C2=A0 There is also opportunity to propose extension= s=20 (there are so many possible ways in which to form IIDs) and to author=20 Internet Drafts.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The proposed code for this 'variable-slaac' = is in=20 github at https://github.com/dmytroshytyi/variable-slaac Finally, the hackathon activity could be maintained alive by a few other = things, such as advocacy, maybe just temporarily.=C2=A0 For my part I sti= ll=20 advocate the use of IPv6 on sites who dont yet (eg github.com, and maybe = dev.cisco.com);=C2=A0 maybe that advocacy could be used locally by the=20 webserver admins to configure IPv6, without a need to interact with=20 coffee and look at packets and over shoulder.=C2=A0 They could install it= and=20 I could browse it over the Internet. Yours, -- Alexandre Petrescu alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=C3=A9l 0169089223 Le 11/09/2020 =C3=A0 22:37, Michael Richardson a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: > Charles, availability of the RPI based L2-VPN-bridges changes things > significantly for me. I was previously rather blase about remote hacka= thons. > > As long as I can't see your network traffic, and look over your shoulde= r, and > share caffeinated beverages with you, then I might as well just stick t= o > efforts to run stuff over the Internet. > > I learnt of the bridge option late, and that would have changed my opin= ion. > I suggest that you mention this option on the > https://www.ietf.org/how/runningcode/hackathons/109-hackathon/ > page. > > How soon are we able to test things? I might even want to prep device= s and > mail them to people. > > Right now, it's a bit buried on the wiki. > > The NOC team has been working to allow you to join the IETF network= while > attending the meeting remotely. With a Raspberry Pi 2 or newer the = NOC has > a recipe that will allow your team to be virtually connected to the= IETF > network with IPv4 and IPv6 addresses and many options (IPv6ONLY, a = closed > user group, NAT64, IPv6PD, and more) for you to use for your > projects. Your project champion can request getting access by sendi= ng a > message to ietf109virtualnetwork @ noc.ietf.org. Please include you= r > project name and members. The NOC will provide you with the recipe.= > > (oops, it seems that the email address does not yet work) > > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh net= works [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT archit= ect [ > ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rai= ls [ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > hackathon mailing list > hackathon@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hackathon --------------F84854C8F1C8E9D48BAA100E Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Michael, colleagues,<= /font>

It is worth consideri= ng in detail how a hackathon could happen in a remote manner.

I fully agree with yo= u when you say 'look over the shoulder, share caffeine, see packets' is very necessary, and impossible in a remote hackathon.

It is also difficult = to support a hackathon activity by sendind devices via post.=C2=A0= A package sent to me by US Post in April arrived in July.=C2=A0=C2= =A0 Another one in August took 1 month.

I am interested in SL= AAC trials; these are needing indeed both parties to be together on a local link.=C2=A0 To separate them and put Internet betwee= n them there might need VPN.=C2=A0 I suspect L2-VPN-bridge is tha= t.=C2=A0 But some linux devices are so small they might not implement VPN at all, or might lack some kernel features that might be required for that.=C2=A0 So again, this is hard to realize.
=

For my SLAAC activity= , I am looking for testers of a SLAAC extension in the kernel.=C2=A0= This extension, in linux, makes it possible to run plens like 65 and IIDs of length eg 63 (currently only 64/64 is possible in linux).=C2=A0 I think we would like this tested more prior t= o submission to the mainline kernel.=C2=A0 There is also opportun= ity to propose extensions (there are so many possible ways in which to form IIDs) and to author Internet Drafts.=C2=A0=C2=A0 = The proposed code for this 'variable-slaac' is in github at https://github.com/dmytroshytyi/variable-slaa= c

Finally, the hackathon activity could be maintained alive by a few other things, such as advocacy, maybe just temporarily.=C2=A0 For my part I still= advocate the use of IPv6 on sites who dont yet (eg github.com, and maybe dev.cisco.com);=C2=A0 maybe that advo= cacy could be used locally by the webserver admins to configure IPv6, without a need to interact with coffee and look at packets and over shoulder.=C2=A0 They could install it and = I could browse it over the Internet.

Yours,

--
Alexandre Petrescu
alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=C3=A9l 0169089223
Le 11/09/2020 =C3=A0 22:37, Michael Richardson a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
Charles, availability of the=
 RPI based L2-VPN-bridges changes things
significantly for me.  I was previously rather blase about remote hackath=
ons.

As long as I can't see your network traffic, and look over your shoulder,=
 and
share caffeinated beverages with you, then I might as well just stick to
efforts to run stuff over the Internet.

I learnt of the bridge option late, and that would have changed my opinio=
n.
I suggest that you mention this option on the
   https://www.ietf.org/how/runningcode=
/hackathons/109-hackathon/
page.

How soon are we able to test things?   I might even want to prep devices =
and
mail them to people.

Right now, it's a bit buried on the wiki.

   The NOC team has been working to allow you to join the IETF network wh=
ile
   attending the meeting remotely. With a Raspberry Pi 2 or newer the NOC=
 has
   a recipe that will allow your team to be virtually connected to the IE=
TF
   network with IPv4 and IPv6 addresses and many options (IPv6ONLY, a clo=
sed
   user group, NAT64, IPv6PD, and more) for you to use for your
   projects. Your project champion can request getting access by sending =
a
   message to ietf109virtualnetwork @ noc.ietf.org. Please include your
   project name and members. The NOC will provide you with the recipe.

(oops, it seems that the email address does not yet work)

--
]               Never tell me the odds!                 | ipv6 mesh netwo=
rks [
]   Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works        |    IoT architec=
t   [
]     mcr@sandelman.ca  http://www.sandelman.ca/        |   ruby on rai=
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z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 13:35:34 -0400 Message-ID: <20703.1601400934@localhost> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [hackathon] FW: Registration open for IETF 109 X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 17:35:38 -0000 okay, is the VPN contact point live yet? -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ From nobody Tue Sep 29 12:34:57 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietf.org Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2A83A1106; Tue, 29 Sep 2020 12:34:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: hackathon-chairs@ietf.org, hackathon@ietf.org, eckelcu@cisco.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.17.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <160140809539.19099.6460388698062601781@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 12:34:55 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [hackathon] hackathon - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 109 X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 19:34:56 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Charles Eckel, a Chair of the hackathon working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Hackathon Area Name: General Area Session Requester: Charles Eckel Number of Sessions: 2 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours, 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 125 Conflicts to Avoid: People who must be present: Barry Leiba Charles Eckel Resources Requested: Special Requests: One session is for the hackathon opening on Monday, Nov. 9. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 11:27:33 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010106030909040908020902 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A3058CB24167E3A43A870A78" Content-Language: fr This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A3058CB24167E3A43A870A78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable is VPN on IPv6? -- Alexandre Petrescu alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=C3=A9l 0169089223 Le 29/09/2020 =C3=A0 22:11, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: > Not yet, but it is high on the list of things to get working well in ad= vance of the actual hackathon. > I will provide more info on the anticipated availability by the end of = the week. > > Cheers, > Charles > > =EF=BB=BFOn 9/29/20, 10:36 AM, "hackathon on behalf of Michael Richards= on" wrote: > > okay, is the VPN contact point live yet? > > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mes= h networks [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT a= rchitect [ > ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby o= n rails [ > > _______________________________________________ > hackathon mailing list > hackathon@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hackathon > > _______________________________________________ > hackathon mailing list > hackathon@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hackathon --------------A3058CB24167E3A43A870A78 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

is VPN on IPv6?

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Alexandre Petrescu
alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=C3=A9l 0169089223
Le 29/09/2020 =C3=A0 22:11, Charles Ec= kel (eckelcu) a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
Not yet, but it is high on t=
he list of things to get working well in advance of the actual hackathon.=
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I will provide more info on the anticipated availability by the end of th=
e week.

Cheers,
Charles

=EF=BB=BFOn 9/29/20, 10:36 AM, "hackathon on behalf of Michael Richardson=
" <hackathon-bounces@ietf.org on behalf=
 of mcr@sandelman.ca> wrote:

    okay, is the VPN contact point live yet?

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    ]     mcr@sandelman.ca  http://www.sandelman.ca/        |   ruby on=
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