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Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. hackathon Session 1 (2:00 requested) Monday, 19 July 2021, Hackathon Kickoff 1200-1400 Room Name: Room 1 size: 501 --------------------------------------------- hackathon Session 2 (2:00 requested) Friday, 23 July 2021, Hackathon Closing 1200-1400 Room Name: Room 1 size: 501 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/111/sessions/hackathon.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Hackathon Area Name: General Area Session Requester: Charles Eckel Number of Sessions: 2 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours, 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 75 Conflicts to Avoid: People who must be present: Barry Leiba Charles Eckel Resources Requested: Special Requests: One session for the Hackathon kickoff on Monday, July 19, 1200-1400 PDT One session for the Hackathon closing on Friday, July 23, 1200-1400 PDT --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Tue Jul 6 07:06:59 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6648E3A2942 for ; 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2021 14:06:59 -0000 Good news everyone,=20 Access to the experimental virtual IETF network is back. This is the 2nd ge= neration of the remote networking solution. Thanks to the hard work of the = NOC team, it is now available and ready to be used in conjunction with proj= ects for the upcoming Hackathon. If you are interested in this, I recommend= you spend some time to familiarize yourself with the requirements and acqu= ire any necessary hardware. Check out the Hackathon wiki for more info and to get started: https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/111hackathon#Network Project champions, if you plan to make use of this remote networking functi= onality for your project, please be sure to indicate that as part of the in= formation you add to the Hackatho wiki about your project. Others intereste= d in participating in your project may also need time to acquire hardware a= nd get setup. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2021 16:10:56 -0000 Toerless, Thanks for getting the table off to a good start! Cheers, Charles > On Jul 8, 2021, at 7:44 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote: >=20 > Hi folks, hackathon chairs >=20 > I just started to populate the IEF111 hackathon teamschedule page >=20 > https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/111hackathon/teamschedule >=20 > with the available info, over from IEF110. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 13:56:28 -0000 Charles, I have some practical questions about using the MikroTik devices. Since my lab is at the university, but I seldom go there, it is my intention to have one MikroTik device in my lab, and one MikroTik device in my home. My question is the following: do I need to have distinct Datatracker IDs for these two devices, or can I use the same bootstrap.rsc file for the two devices? I assume that I can have more than one local device connected to a specific MikroTik device. Correct? Bill Atwood On 2021-07-06 10:06 a.m., Charles Eckel (eckelcu) wrote: > Attention This email originates from outside the concordia.ca domain. // Ce courriel provient de l'exterieur du domaine de concordia.ca > Good news everyone, > > Access to the experimental virtual IETF network is back. This is the 2nd generation of the remote networking solution. Thanks to the hard work of the NOC team, it is now available and ready to be used in conjunction with projects for the upcoming Hackathon. If you are interested in this, I recommend you spend some time to familiarize yourself with the requirements and acquire any necessary hardware. > > Check out the Hackathon wiki for more info and to get started: > https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/111hackathon#Network > > Project champions, if you plan to make use of this remote networking functionality for your project, please be sure to indicate that as part of the information you add to the Hackatho wiki about your project. Others interested in participating in your project may also need time to acquire hardware and get setup. > > Cheers, > Charles > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > hackathon mailing list > hackathon@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hackathon > Unsubscribe: mailto:hackathon-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe > -- Dr. J.W. Atwood, Eng. tel: +1 (514) 848-2424 x3046 Distinguished Professor Emeritus fax: +1 (514) 848-2830 Department of Computer Science and Software Engineering Concordia University EV 3.185 email:william.atwood@concordia.ca 1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd. West http://users.encs.concordia.ca/~bill Montreal, Quebec Canada H3G 1M8 From nobody Sun Jul 11 20:13:02 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6DB63A2AFD for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 20:12:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DR6RwPIdoQy4 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 20:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E512A3A2AF7 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 20:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E9038E05; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 16:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id hbWUK0kr6H35; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 16:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58CB238D87; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 16:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E857559; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 16:48:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: William Atwood cc: hackathon@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <2a6db1e5-8381-2756-3599-03163ef9c6ba@concordia.ca> References: <2a6db1e5-8381-2756-3599-03163ef9c6ba@concordia.ca> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [hackathon] remote networking for IETF 111 Hackathon X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 04:17:46 -0000 --000000000000dc63eb05c6e56645 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 9:56 AM William Atwood wrote: > I assume that I can have more than one local device connected to a > specific MikroTik device. Correct? Yes, via either wireless or wired ports. It is a layer 2 VPN, so all connected nodes get the same view of the network. Bill --000000000000dc63eb05c6e56645 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 9:56 AM William Atwood <william.atwood@concordia.ca> wrote:
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I assume that I can have more than one local device connected to a specific MikroTik device. Correct? Correct, this should be fine. Cheers, Charles Bill Atwood On 2021-07-06 10:06 a.m., Charles Eckel (eckelcu) wrote: Attention This email originates from outside the concordia.ca domain. // Ce courriel provient de l'exterieur du domaine de concor= dia.ca Good news everyone, Access to the experimental virtual IETF network is back. This is the 2nd ge= neration of the remote networking solution. Thanks to the hard work of the = NOC team, it is now available and ready to be used in conjunction with proj= ects for the upcoming Hackathon. If you are interested in this, I recommend= you spend some time to familiarize yourself with the requirements and acqu= ire any necessary hardware. Check out the Hackathon wiki for more info and to get started: https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/111hackathon#Network Project champions, if you plan to make use of this remote networking functi= onality for your project, please be sure to indicate that as part of the in= formation you add to the Hackatho wiki about your project. Others intereste= d in participating in your project may also need time to acquire hardware a= nd get setup. Cheers, Charles _______________________________________________ hackathon mailing list hackathon@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hackathon Unsubscribe: mailto:hackathon-request@ietf.org?subject=3Dunsubscribe -- Dr. J.W. Atwood, Eng. tel: +1 (514) 848-2424 x3046 Distinguished Professor Emeritus fax: +1 (514) 848-2830 Department of Computer Science and Software Engineering Concordia University EV 3.185 email:william.atwood@concordia.ca 1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd. West http://users.encs.concordia.ca/~bill Montreal, Quebec Canada H3G 1M8 _______________________________________________ hackathon mailing list hackathon@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hackathon Unsubscribe: mailto:hackathon-request@ietf.org?subject=3Dunsubscribe --_000_816F41869DBF4065B154B9471C816FFBciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <7A4FC11F033182499E0DB880FC2F070F@namprd11.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bill,


I assume that I can have more than one local device connected to a
specific MikroTik device.  Correct?

Correct, this should be fine.

Cheers,
Charles


 Bill Atwood

On 2021-07-06 10:06 a.m., Charles Eckel (eckelcu) wrote:
Attention This email originates from o= utside the concordia.ca domain. // Ce c= ourriel provient de l'exterieur du domaine de concordia.ca
Good news everyone,

Access to the experimental virtual IETF network is back. This is the 2nd ge= neration of the remote networking solution. Thanks to the hard work of the = NOC team, it is now available and ready to be used in conjunction with proj= ects for the upcoming Hackathon. If you are interested in this, I recommend you spend some time to familiar= ize yourself with the requirements and acquire any necessary hardware.

Check out the Hackathon wiki for more info and to get started:
https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/111hackathon#Net= work

Project champions, if you plan to make use of this remote networking functi= onality for your project, please be sure to indicate that as part of the in= formation you add to the Hackatho wiki about your project. Others intereste= d in participating in your project may also need time to acquire hardware and get setup.

Cheers,
Charles





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boundary="_000_506CB18ECC644C3FA122EE42E6F1AC53xagsolutionscom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: xagsolutions.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: CO6PR06MB7523.namprd06.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 302827e3-ecc6-4124-671e-08d9454b2c9b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 12 Jul 2021 15:39:02.1716 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 3905f813-0012-41b2-a403-d7a3a748e3c3 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: UShky+HCRCzfWT8Ooq7bg8zXBWeXDuF3X1Mr1u0pUmATh1jRJtofcJB5aT2fi7MrR2z3pphTKzZv1iYvru+djQ== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CO6PR06MB7057 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [hackathon] remote networking for IETF 111 Hackathon X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 15:39:12 -0000 --_000_506CB18ECC644C3FA122EE42E6F1AC53xagsolutionscom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The bootstrap configuration is made with your DT account but connections ar= e not limited. You could have more than one MikroTik connected. We would i= nvestigate if a high number of connections came from a single account. Sett= ing this up at your lab and home is a perfect use case. Sean On Jul 12, 2021, at 07:06, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) > wrote: Hi Bill, On Jul 11, 2021, at 6:58 AM, William Atwood > wrote: Charles, I have some practical questions about using the MikroTik devices. Since my lab is at the university, but I seldom go there, it is my intention to have one MikroTik device in my lab, and one MikroTik device in my home. My question is the following: do I need to have distinct Datatracker IDs for these two devices, or can I use the same bootstrap.rsc file for the two devices? My understanding is the bootstrap device is specific to your Datatracker ID= and you need to use a separate Datatracker account for each device. Adding= the support alias (tickets@meeting.ietf.org) to double check. I assume that I can have more than one local device connected to a specific MikroTik device. Correct? Correct, this should be fine. Cheers, Charles Bill Atwood On 2021-07-06 10:06 a.m., Charles Eckel (eckelcu) wrote: Attention This email originates from outside the concordia.ca domain. // Ce courriel provient de l'exterieur du domaine de conco= rdia.ca Good news everyone, Access to the experimental virtual IETF network is back. This is the 2nd ge= neration of the remote networking solution. Thanks to the hard work of the = NOC team, it is now available and ready to be used in conjunction with proj= ects for the upcoming Hackathon. If you are interested in this, I recommend= you spend some time to familiarize yourself with the requirements and acqu= ire any necessary hardware. Check out the Hackathon wiki for more info and to get started: https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/111hackathon#Network Project champions, if you plan to make use of this remote networking functi= onality for your project, please be sure to indicate that as part of the in= formation you add to the Hackatho wiki about your project. Others intereste= d in participating in your project may also need time to acquire hardware a= nd get setup. Cheers, Charles _______________________________________________ hackathon mailing list hackathon@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hackathon Unsubscribe: mailto:hackathon-request@ietf.org?subject=3Dunsubscribe -- Dr. J.W. Atwood, Eng. tel: +1 (514) 848-2424 x3046 Distinguished Professor Emeritus fax: +1 (514) 848-2830 Department of Computer Science and Software Engineering Concordia University EV 3.185 email:william.atwood@concordia.ca 1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd. West http://users.encs.concordia.ca/~bill Montreal, Quebec Canada H3G 1M8 _______________________________________________ hackathon mailing list hackathon@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hackathon Unsubscribe: mailto:hackathon-request@ietf.org?subject=3Dunsubscribe --_000_506CB18ECC644C3FA122EE42E6F1AC53xagsolutionscom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <1E8688086FB6DC49B627041074D46CBC@namprd06.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The bootstrap configuration is made with your DT account but connections ar= e not limited.  You could have more than one MikroTik connected. We wo= uld investigate if a high number of connections came from a single account.= Setting this up at your lab and home is a perfect use case. 

Sean



On Jul 12, 2021, at 07:06, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) <eckelcu@cisco.com> wrote= :

Hi Bill,

On Jul 11, 2021, at 6:58 AM, William Atwood <william.atwood@concordia.ca<= /a>> wrote:

Charles,

I have some practical questions about using the MikroTik devices.

Since my lab is at the university, but I seldom go there, it is my
intention to have one MikroTik device in my lab, and one MikroTik device in my home.

My question is the following:  do I need to have distinct Datatracker<= br class=3D""> IDs for these two devices, or can I use the same bootstrap.rsc file for
the two devices?

My understanding is the bootstrap device is specific to your Datatracker ID= and you need to use a separate Datatracker account for each device. Adding= the support alias (= tickets@meeting.ietf.org) to double check.


I assume that I can have more than one local device connected to a
specific MikroTik device.  Correct?

Correct, this should be fine.

Cheers,
Charles


 Bill Atwood

On 2021-07-06 10:06 a.m., Charles Eckel (eckelcu) wrote:
Attention This email originates from o= utside the concordia.ca domain. // Ce courriel provient de l'exterieur du domaine de concordia.ca
Good news everyone, 

Access to the experimental virtual IETF network is back. This is the 2nd ge= neration of the remote networking solution. Thanks to the hard work of the = NOC team, it is now available and ready to be used in conjunction with proj= ects for the upcoming Hackathon. If you are interested in this, I recommend you spend some time to familiar= ize yourself with the requirements and acquire any necessary hardware.

Check out the Hackathon wiki for more info and to get started:
https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/111hackathon#Net= work

Project champions, if you plan to make use of this remote networking functi= onality for your project, please be sure to indicate that as part of the in= formation you add to the Hackatho wiki about your project. Others intereste= d in participating in your project may also need time to acquire hardware and get setup.

Cheers,
Charles





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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 21:42:56 -0000 --00000000000004486805c7305aea Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" IETF hackathon folks, At a couple recent hackathons, a group of us researchers have been working on Bigbang and related tools for analysis of IETF mailing lists and other IETF data. (At the last IETF plenary we got a quick shout out for some analysis of attendance at virtual/in-person meetings by geography.) There are many questions that academics and civil society have raised about participation in Internet standard-setting processes, but it would be great to know more what IETF participants want to learn about their own groups, how groups compare, who participates at the IETF and how, and what would be useful data and analysis. We'd welcome any IETFers to drop in and join us: 1. work on some Python code (in a Jupyter notebook, say) to analyze your WG's mailing list, or 2. bring your favorite research question you've always wondered about re: participation or activity in the IETF and we can see if there's data/code to answer it, or 3. open an issue, send us an email, or join the chatroom to share ideas about potential features or tools you'd like. We'll be talking (videochat) tomorrow, Friday, July 16th at 9:00 Eastern, 13:00 UTC, 15:00 CEST to make some plans for the week and then we'll be hacking on and off next week. Cheers, Nick videochat: https://meet.jit.si/BigBangBiWeeklyCall project website: https://datactive.github.io/bigbang/ dev mailing list: https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/bigbang-dev chat: https://gitter.im/datactive/bigbang --00000000000004486805c7305aea Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
IETF hackathon folks,

At a c= ouple recent hackathons, a group of us researchers have been working on Big= bang and related tools for analysis of IETF mailing lists and other IETF da= ta. (At the last IETF plenary we got a quick shout out for some analysis of= attendance at virtual/in-person meetings by geography.) There are many que= stions that academics and civil society have raised about participation in = Internet standard-setting processes, but it would be great to know more wha= t IETF participants want to learn about their own groups, how groups compar= e, who participates at the IETF and how, and what would be useful data and = analysis.

We'd welcome any IETFers to drop= in and join us:
1. work on some Python code (in a Jupyter notebo= ok, say) to analyze your WG's mailing list, or
2. bring your = favorite research question you've always wondered about re: participati= on or activity in the IETF and we can see if there's data/code to answe= r it, or
3. open an issue, send us an email, or join the chatroom= to share ideas about potential features or tools you'd like.

We'll be talking (videochat) tomorrow, Friday, July 16t= h at 9:00 Eastern, 13:00 UTC, 15:00 CEST to make some plans for the week an= d then we'll be hacking on and off next week.

= Cheers,
Nick

videochat: https://meet.jit.si/BigBangBiWeeklyCall<= /a>
project website: ht= tps://datactive.github.io/bigbang/
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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2021 14:06:22 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C7341E8D27AA06467CC16B92 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 16/07/2021 à 10:15, Esko Dijk a écrit : > > Hello Nick, > > Just a note that automated analysis of IETF RFCs / drafts could be of > interest too.  For the 3GPP cellular standards I created this free > online tool: https://3gpp.guru/ . > A great idea for a tool.  I tested it and it works on IPv6, thank you. But I need a particular use of it.  I must find where in the 3GPP documents does it say '/64'?  The tool does not issue any answer if I type /64, even if the human liaison did  find the relevant place in a particular TS. Also, I would like to see where is 3GPP talking about 6G, and it doesnt seem to, if I use the tool.  But 6G does appear on a 3GPP.org web page. > It finds the (multiple) definitions of an acronym if you type it in, > or it can find all documents that reference specific words/strings by > using the ‘ref’ query. I use it now in my daily work and a couple of > other people too. > > I had reserved the domain name ‘ietf.guru’ to do the same for IETF, > but well, available time ran out ;-) > > Best regards > > Esko > > *From:* hackathon *On Behalf Of *Nick Doty > *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2021 23:43 > *To:* hackathon@ietf.org > *Subject:* [hackathon] Bigbang / mailing list analysis at IETF 111 > > IETF hackathon folks, > > At a couple recent hackathons, a group of us researchers have been > working on Bigbang and related tools for analysis of IETF mailing > lists and other IETF data. (At the last IETF plenary we got a quick > shout out for some analysis of attendance at virtual/in-person > meetings by geography.) There are many questions that academics and > civil society have raised about participation in Internet > standard-setting processes, but it would be great to know more what > IETF participants want to learn about their own groups, how groups > compare, who participates at the IETF and how, and what would be > useful data and analysis. > > We'd welcome any IETFers to drop in and join us: > > 1. work on some Python code (in a Jupyter notebook, say) to analyze > your WG's mailing list, or > > 2. bring your favorite research question you've always wondered about > re: participation or activity in the IETF and we can see if there's > data/code to answer it, or > > 3. open an issue, send us an email, or join the chatroom to share > ideas about potential features or tools you'd like. > > We'll be talking (videochat) tomorrow, Friday, July 16th at 9:00 > Eastern, 13:00 UTC, 15:00 CEST to make some plans for the week and > then we'll be hacking on and off next week. > > Cheers, > > Nick > > videochat: https://meet.jit.si/BigBangBiWeeklyCall > > project website: https://datactive.github.io/bigbang/ > > dev mailing list: > https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/bigbang-dev > > chat: https://gitter.im/datactive/bigbang > > Among the URLs above only the first works on IPv6 (the jit.si). The others dont.  They shouldnt be advertised at IETF, I think, IMHO.  Or maybe we identify why they dont work on IPv6 and then try to fix it and then put it back on emails to IETF. There is a problem in seeing a growing number of URLs that dont work on IPv6 and that get published in email lists at IETF, even if all pure IETF URLs do work on IPv6. So, I suspect there might be a need to find out how many is that. Alex > > _______________________________________________ > hackathon mailing list > hackathon@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hackathon > Unsubscribe: mailto:hackathon-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe --------------C7341E8D27AA06467CC16B92 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


Le 16/07/2021 à 10:15, Esko Dijk a écrit :

Hello Nick,

 

Just a note that automated analysis of IETF RFCs / drafts could be of interest too.  For the 3GPP cellular standards I created this free online tool: https://3gpp.guru/.

A great idea for a tool.  I tested it and it works on IPv6, thank you.

But I need a particular use of it.  I must find where in the 3GPP documents does it say '/64'?  The tool does not issue any answer if I type /64, even if the human liaison did  find the relevant place in a particular TS.

Also, I would like to see where is 3GPP talking about 6G, and it doesnt seem to, if I use the tool.  But 6G does appear on a 3GPP.org web page.

It finds the (multiple) definitions of an acronym if you type it in, or it can find all documents that reference specific words/strings by using the ‘ref’ query. I use it now in my daily work and a couple of other people too.

 

I had reserved the domain name ‘ietf.guru’ to do the same for IETF, but well, available time ran out ;-)

 

Best regards

Esko

 

From: hackathon <hackathon-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Nick Doty
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 23:43
To: hackathon@ietf.org
Subject: [hackathon] Bigbang / mailing list analysis at IETF 111

 

IETF hackathon folks,

 

At a couple recent hackathons, a group of us researchers have been working on Bigbang and related tools for analysis of IETF mailing lists and other IETF data. (At the last IETF plenary we got a quick shout out for some analysis of attendance at virtual/in-person meetings by geography.) There are many questions that academics and civil society have raised about participation in Internet standard-setting processes, but it would be great to know more what IETF participants want to learn about their own groups, how groups compare, who participates at the IETF and how, and what would be useful data and analysis.

 

We'd welcome any IETFers to drop in and join us:

1. work on some Python code (in a Jupyter notebook, say) to analyze your WG's mailing list, or

2. bring your favorite research question you've always wondered about re: participation or activity in the IETF and we can see if there's data/code to answer it, or

3. open an issue, send us an email, or join the chatroom to share ideas about potential features or tools you'd like.

 

We'll be talking (videochat) tomorrow, Friday, July 16th at 9:00 Eastern, 13:00 UTC, 15:00 CEST to make some plans for the week and then we'll be hacking on and off next week.

 

Cheers,

Nick

 

videochat: https://meet.jit.si/BigBangBiWeeklyCall
project website: https://datactive.github.io/bigbang/
dev mailing list: https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/bigbang-dev
chat: https://gitter.im/datactive/bigbang

Among the URLs above only the first works on IPv6 (the jit.si).  The others dont.  They shouldnt be advertised at IETF, I think, IMHO.  Or maybe we identify why they dont work on IPv6 and then try to fix it and then put it back on emails to IETF.

There is a problem in seeing a growing number of URLs that dont work on IPv6 and that get published in email lists at IETF, even if all pure IETF URLs do work on IPv6.

So, I suspect there might be a need to find out how many is that.

Alex


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boundary="_000_4D9118FDC1B0419290B6DC43451CE28Bciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR11MB5053.namprd11.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 1317f328-d906-46f1-ca82-08d9486473f2 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 16 Jul 2021 14:17:32.8189 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5ae1af62-9505-4097-a69a-c1553ef7840e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: XKtSaEs4mlfuM+AyHm9KIT8H3z4wf7GxFKjT/59vY3NNDvAR52G8BxiA3iD65fTxcwZn/lBWk+lpBmBkALxt/w== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BYAPR11MB3765 X-OriginatorOrg: cisco.com X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.36.7.17, xbe-aln-002.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-2.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [hackathon] Bigbang / mailing list analysis at IETF 111 X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2021 14:17:47 -0000 --_000_4D9118FDC1B0419290B6DC43451CE28Bciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Nick, Great to have you and the Bigbang project back for another Hackathon! Hope your prep call went well. If you arrived at some decision as to how an= d when to meet during the week of the Hackathon, you can add it to the Team= Schedule (https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/111hackathon/teamsc= hedule) to make it easy for others to find. Have a great weekend and see you at the Hackathon! Cheers, Charles On Jul 15, 2021, at 2:42 PM, Nick Doty > wrote: IETF hackathon folks, At a couple recent hackathons, a group of us researchers have been working = on Bigbang and related tools for analysis of IETF mailing lists and other I= ETF data. (At the last IETF plenary we got a quick shout out for some analy= sis of attendance at virtual/in-person meetings by geography.) There are ma= ny questions that academics and civil society have raised about participati= on in Internet standard-setting processes, but it would be great to know mo= re what IETF participants want to learn about their own groups, how groups = compare, who participates at the IETF and how, and what would be useful dat= a and analysis. We'd welcome any IETFers to drop in and join us: 1. work on some Python code (in a Jupyter notebook, say) to analyze your WG= 's mailing list, or 2. bring your favorite research question you've always wondered about re: p= articipation or activity in the IETF and we can see if there's data/code to= answer it, or 3. open an issue, send us an email, or join the chatroom to share ideas abo= ut potential features or tools you'd like. We'll be talking (videochat) tomorrow, Friday, July 16th at 9:00 Eastern, 1= 3:00 UTC, 15:00 CEST to make some plans for the week and then we'll be hack= ing on and off next week. Cheers, Nick videochat: https://meet.jit.si/BigBangBiWeeklyCall project website: https://datactive.github.io/bigbang/ dev mailing list: https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/bigbang-dev chat: https://gitter.im/datactive/bigbang _______________________________________________ hackathon mailing list hackathon@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hackathon Unsubscribe: mailto:hackathon-request@ietf.org?subject=3Dunsubscribe --_000_4D9118FDC1B0419290B6DC43451CE28Bciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <81749E9138565A4D9BDCB2E3D0E045A5@namprd11.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Nick,

Great to have you and the Bigbang project back for another = Hackathon!
Hope your prep call went well. If you arrived at some decision as to h= ow and when to meet during the week of the Hackathon, you can add it to the= Team Schedule (https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/= wiki/111hackathon/teamschedule) to make it easy for others to find.
Have a great weekend and see you at the Hackathon!

Cheers,
Charles

On Jul 15, 2021, at 2:42 PM, Nick Doty <npdoty@ischool.berkeley.edu&g= t; wrote:

IETF hackathon folks,

At a couple recent hackathons, a group of us researchers ha= ve been working on Bigbang and related tools for analysis of IETF mailing l= ists and other IETF data. (At the last IETF plenary we got a quick shout ou= t for some analysis of attendance at virtual/in-person meetings by geography.) There are many questions that= academics and civil society have raised about participation in Internet st= andard-setting processes, but it would be great to know more what IETF part= icipants want to learn about their own groups, how groups compare, who participates at the IETF and how, and = what would be useful data and analysis.

We'd welcome any IETFers to drop in and join us:
1. work on some Python code (in a Jupyter notebook, say) to= analyze your WG's mailing list, or
2. bring your favorite research question you've always wond= ered about re: participation or activity in the IETF and we can see if ther= e's data/code to answer it, or
3. open an issue, send us an email, or join the chatroom to= share ideas about potential features or tools you'd like.

We'll be talking (videochat) tomorrow, Friday, July 16th at= 9:00 Eastern, 13:00 UTC, 15:00 CEST to make some plans for the week and th= en we'll be hacking on and off next week.

Cheers,
Nick

videochat: h= ttps://meet.jit.si/BigBangBiWeeklyCall
project website: https://datactive.github.io/bigbang/
dev mailing list: https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/bigbang-dev
chat: https://gi= tter.im/datactive/bigbang
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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2021 16:17:44 -0000 --_000_AM9P189MB1571E1FC32167AA74CD0812783119AM9P189MB1571EURP_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello. My name is Rikard H=F6glund and I am working on implementing support for OS= CORE in the LwM2M framework called Leshan [1]. Leshan is written in Java an= d its support for OSCORE in turn relies on the Californium CoAP library [2]= , which I have also been working on adding support for OSCORE to. Currently= the code for OSCORE-support in Leshan exists in a separate branch [3] in t= he Leshan project, but the plan is to get it integrated into the main branc= h of Leshan. I would be very interested in participating in any tests or work related to= OSCORE in LwM2M. Best wishes Rikard H=F6glund [1] https://www.eclipse.org/leshan/ [2] https://www.eclipse.org/californium/ [3] https://github.com/eclipse/leshan/tree/oscore ________________________________ From: hackathon on behalf of Hannes Tschofenig= Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 15:16 To: hackathon@ietf.org Cc: Gillmore, Matthew Subject: [hackathon] LwM2M at the IETF hackathon Hi all, Matt and I co-chair a group in the OMA SpecWorks organization that develops= the LwM2M protocol, a protocol for managing IoT devices over the entire li= fecycle. (For a short intro please look at the recent presentation at the IoTOPS WG = meeting, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZJN9IiQjcUk (~13min into the session) or https://datatrack= er.ietf.org/meeting/110/materials/slides-110-iotops-iot-device-management-w= ith-lwm2m-00) LwM2M uses many IETF protocols (see http://www.openmobilealliance.org/relea= se/LightweightM2M/V1_2-20201110-A/), such as CoAP plus various extensions, ES= T, TLS/DTLS, OSCORE, COSE, .... Since many of those protocols are also subject to hackathon projects, we we= re wondering whether there is interest to team up to perform interop tests,= develop new test cases, write tools for developers or run implementations = on IoT hardware. If you are interested in IoT, work on those protocols and plan to participa= te at the upcoming hackathon, please reach out to us. If you need help with= IoT hardware in your project, please let us know even sooner. Ciao Hannes IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confid= ential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, p= lease notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any= other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in = any medium. Thank you. --_000_AM9P189MB1571E1FC32167AA74CD0812783119AM9P189MB1571EURP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello.

My name is Rikard H=F6glund and I am working on implementing support for OS= CORE in the LwM2M framework called Leshan [1]. Leshan is written in Java an= d its support for OSCORE in turn relies on the Californium CoAP library [2]= , which I have also been working on adding support for OSCORE to. Currently the code for OSCORE-support in Les= han exists in a separate branch [3] in the Leshan project, but the plan is = to get it integrated into the main branch of Leshan.

I would be very interested in participating in any tests or work related to= OSCORE in LwM2M.

Best wishes
Rikard H=F6glund

From: hackathon <hackath= on-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofeni= g@arm.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 15:16
To: hackathon@ietf.org <hackathon@ietf.org>
Cc: Gillmore, Matthew <Matthew.Gillmore@itron.com>
Subject: [hackathon] LwM2M at the IETF hackathon
 

Hi all,

 

Matt and I co-chair a group in the OMA SpecWorks o= rganization that develops the LwM2M protocol, a protocol for managing IoT d= evices over the entire lifecycle.

(For a short intro please look at the recent prese= ntation at the IoTOPS WG meeting, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZJN9IiQjcUk (~13min into the session)= or https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/110/materials/slides-110-iotops-iot-de= vice-management-with-lwm2m-00)

 

LwM2M uses many IETF protocols (see http://www.openmobilealliance.org/release/LightweightM2M/V1_2-20201110-A/), such as CoAP plus various extensions, EST, TLS/DTLS, OSCORE, COSE, ...= .

 

Since many of those protocols are also subject to = hackathon projects, we were wondering whether there is interest to team up = to perform interop tests, develop new test cases, write tools for developer= s or run implementations on IoT hardware.

 

If you are interested in IoT, work on those protoc= ols and plan to participate at the upcoming hackathon, please reach out to = us. If you need help with IoT hardware in your project, please let us know = even sooner.

 

Ciao

Hannes

 

IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confid= ential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, p= lease notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any= other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2021 16:24:39 -0000 --_000_DBBPR08MB5915D368AA84C317BE01644BFA119DBBPR08MB5915eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Rikard. We are going to have a conference call next Monday to discuss the interest = of the participants. I will send you a meeting invite. Then, we can quickly= find out who else is interested in OSCORE. Ciao Hannes From: Rikard H=F6glund Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 6:18 PM To: Hannes Tschofenig ; hackathon@ietf.org Cc: Gillmore, Matthew Subject: Re: LwM2M at the IETF hackathon Hello. My name is Rikard H=F6glund and I am working on implementing support for OS= CORE in the LwM2M framework called Leshan [1]. Leshan is written in Java an= d its support for OSCORE in turn relies on the Californium CoAP library [2]= , which I have also been working on adding support for OSCORE to. Currently= the code for OSCORE-support in Leshan exists in a separate branch [3] in t= he Leshan project, but the plan is to get it integrated into the main branc= h of Leshan. I would be very interested in participating in any tests or work related to= OSCORE in LwM2M. Best wishes Rikard H=F6glund [1] https://www.eclipse.org/leshan/ [2] https://www.eclipse.org/californium/ [3] https://github.com/eclipse/leshan/tree/oscore ________________________________ From: hackathon > on behalf of Hannes Tschofenig > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 15:16 To: hackathon@ietf.org > Cc: Gillmore, Matthew > Subject: [hackathon] LwM2M at the IETF hackathon Hi all, Matt and I co-chair a group in the OMA SpecWorks organization that develops= the LwM2M protocol, a protocol for managing IoT devices over the entire li= fecycle. (For a short intro please look at the recent presentation at the IoTOPS WG = meeting, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZJN9IiQjcUk (~13min into the session) or https://datatrack= er.ietf.org/meeting/110/materials/slides-110-iotops-iot-device-management-w= ith-lwm2m-00) LwM2M uses many IETF protocols (see http://www.openmobilealliance.org/relea= se/LightweightM2M/V1_2-20201110-A/), such as CoAP plus various extensions, ES= T, TLS/DTLS, OSCORE, COSE, .... Since many of those protocols are also subject to hackathon projects, we we= re wondering whether there is interest to team up to perform interop tests,= develop new test cases, write tools for developers or run implementations = on IoT hardware. If you are interested in IoT, work on those protocols and plan to participa= te at the upcoming hackathon, please reach out to us. If you need help with= IoT hardware in your project, please let us know even sooner. Ciao Hannes IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confid= ential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, p= lease notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any= other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in = any medium. Thank you. IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confid= ential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, p= lease notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any= other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in = any medium. Thank you. --_000_DBBPR08MB5915D368AA84C317BE01644BFA119DBBPR08MB5915eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks, Rikard.

 

We are going to have a conference call next Monday t= o discuss the interest of the participants. I will send you a meeting invit= e. Then, we can quickly find out who else is interested in OSCORE.

 

Ciao

Hannes

 

From: Rikard H=F6glund <rikard.hoglund@ri.= se>
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 6:18 PM
To: Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com>; hackathon@i= etf.org
Cc: Gillmore, Matthew <Matthew.Gillmore@itron.com>
Subject: Re: LwM2M at the IETF hackathon

 

Hello.<= o:p>

&n= bsp;

My name= is Rikard H=F6glund and I am working on implementing support for OSCORE in= the LwM2M framework called Leshan [1]. Leshan is written in Java and its s= upport for OSCORE in turn relies on the Californium CoAP library [2], which I have also been working on adding sup= port for OSCORE to. Currently the code for OSCORE-support in Leshan exists = in a separate branch [3] in the Leshan project, but the plan is to get it i= ntegrated into the main branch of Leshan.

&n= bsp;

I would= be very interested in participating in any tests or work related to OSCORE= in LwM2M.

&n= bsp;

Best wi= shes

Rikard = H=F6glund

&n= bsp;

From: hackathon <hackathon-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Hannes Tschofenig = <Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com<= /a>>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 15:16
To: hackathon@ietf.org <= ;hackathon@ietf.org>
Cc: Gillmore, Matthew <Matthew.Gillmore@itron.com>
Subject: [hackathon] LwM2M at the IETF hackathon <= /p>

 

Hi all,

 

Matt and I co-chair a group in the OMA SpecWorks or= ganization that develops the LwM2M protocol, a protocol for managing IoT de= vices over the entire lifecycle.

(For a short intro please look at the recent presen= tation at the IoTOPS WG meeting, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZJN9IiQjcUk (~13min into the session)= or https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/110/materials/slides-110-iotops-iot-de= vice-management-with-lwm2m-00)

 

LwM2M uses many IETF protocols (see http://www.openmobilealliance.org/release/LightweightM2M/V1_2-20201110-A/), such as CoAP plus various extensions, EST, TLS/DTLS, OSCORE, COSE, ...= .

 

Since many of those protocols are also subject to h= ackathon projects, we were wondering whether there is interest to team up t= o perform interop tests, develop new test cases, write tools for developers= or run implementations on IoT hardware.

 

If you are interested in IoT, work on those protoco= ls and plan to participate at the upcoming hackathon, please reach out to u= s. If you need help with IoT hardware in your project, please let us know e= ven sooner.

 

Ciao

Hannes

 

IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any= attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not th= e intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not discl= ose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Th= ank you.

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Archived-At: Subject: [hackathon] Equality of sdfObjects X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 16:41:19 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------674A74A65394F8CA17A79F78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone, my name is Cornelius Schulz-Trieglaff. I am a bachelor student at the university of Bremen (Germany). I would like to try to implement a tool for checking sdfObjects for semantic equality. Enclosed you find a table of possible equality criteria. I would be grateful for any kind of feedback. Regards Cornelius --------------674A74A65394F8CA17A79F78 Content-Type: text/markdown; charset=UTF-8; name="equality_of_sdfObjects.md" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="equality_of_sdfObjects.md" ## Equality | SDF quality | equality | | ------------------------------------------------------------ | ------------------------------------------------------------ | | sdfObject | if all *properties*, *actions*, *events* and *common qualities* are equal | | sdfProperty | if all *common qualities* and *data qualities* are equal | | sdfAction | if *sdfInputData*, *sdfOutputData* and *common qualities* are equal | | sdfEvent | if *sdfOutputData* and *common qualities* are equal | | sdfOutputData, sdfOutputData | if all *common qualities* and *data qualities* are equal | | **common qualities** | | | description | ignore | | label | use for class name equality | | $comment | ignore | | sdfRef | - for copying elements within the same sdf file: equality of the resulting object after resolving and merging like described in [section 4.4](https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-asdf-sdf-07#section-4.4)
- else: same (resolved) namespace and fragment | | sdfRequired | if all sdfRefs are equal (regardless of order) | | **data qualities** | | | type | if corresponding string is equal | | const, default, minimum, maximum, exclusiveMinimum, exclusiveMaximum, multipleOf, minLength, maxLength, minItems, maxItems, uniqueItems | if value is equal | | pattern | if corresponding string is equal | | format | if corresponding string is equal | | required | if every item is equal regardless of order | | properties | if every key-value-pair is equal regardless of order | | unit | if corresponding string is equal | | readable, writable, observable, nullable | if value is equal | | contentFormat | if corresponding string is equal | | sdfChoice | if every key-value-pair is equal regardless of order | | enum | if corresponding sdfChoice is equal | | **sdfType** | | | byt-string | if corresponding string is equal | | unix-time | if corresponding number is equal | ### Class Name Equality - compare as lowercase string without `-`, `.` or `_` - equal if name or label has the same adapted string --------------674A74A65394F8CA17A79F78-- From nobody Sat Jul 17 11:21:02 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42623A1AE5 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 11:21:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=ischool-berkeley-edu.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rOeF9j1b6Z6M for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 11:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pl1-x631.google.com (mail-pl1-x631.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::631]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E51A3A1AE4 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 11:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pl1-x631.google.com with SMTP id p17so7126667plf.12 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 11:20:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ischool-berkeley-edu.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=QKfCnYfjYub9jYLpRw8B6429ydd5sEJOnTwjcTOCj7Y=; b=UPqvPFko+nIK/sF9UByakTW9qSR1bcDRaH7BapeINvVfNPJMonJXs7lQ5D0eIWjxiS 4NrZ13SY/ZVKkjPifn+1pyD8etBPyJKa0wNJiZjkvjOvJB3AHw4vsYKTzvsNPVyHNZju 8F5HKVrxHzsksoSK/MCMVZX5ASAsHcpYTscSwB4IhePMxx2zgBvhHrbW5IZGZPHiqGLt PnME2jHFIQ7gLkkRMAla2tBeOajSVVuEMxMphQJz0cCN1NpxTsJ2rmRcOy5GLuHpiIBC p2Hf2RUkj+qpBqTnhV2ELA0VKqbcJ9u9+ZublMlbcCn2XF3H9bOhvvyDK84/NOzthps9 4IjA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=QKfCnYfjYub9jYLpRw8B6429ydd5sEJOnTwjcTOCj7Y=; b=mheU631eJBAAGQkR1K+3OOQgIaVj6ROewIJXnDepW9ljG+Lel6KSWRvn/dLHSuvU9w cWWTOP6/XIui6PUa0U/FVbGe27cXvfOsJtbRbtQAV2Ddmg/OdG7QOsH1m50mwbbdwpgP +U+Fcv7D66lDCTqRPFS5OPQeoJBYvMxMH1Vk+o7nc7qMPKbEqKGp7wwKr258HZcXQ+Sd 5nLbc1L1B32QxB5RB9dghVC6EUAM/1slvo4IC3b8OUnonIZYrrQyCSBXgpl3rcE5R2gh vA9a4P0/JdA5bY/2NOf+fle2acWtbwnYVnytMo64dlgnhXgOhSHy8foXgZX5MoLf7sSH J6SQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532f4YHgxnvV+7cAHsBLYUoz1zwQ9dod19NV30iK3fnITvqCeY9f GdrKVXZOdRtxJa5EV2rxj8DRwCC6TB76s+suDWifiBjqiLXa5OKA X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxpSoum6DCjxwWK8VO0OLa4VtfIRxNbGc8wXmERXWOU0Yt4fE5poXxxp5TPJY8gP66g3u/Gx50l2HKScUxB8rE= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:8488:b029:129:97e8:16e7 with SMTP id c8-20020a1709028488b029012997e816e7mr12504878plo.39.1626546053482; Sat, 17 Jul 2021 11:20:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Nick Doty Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 14:20:42 -0400 Message-ID: To: Esko Dijk Cc: "hackathon@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000babe3705c755c35a" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [hackathon] Bigbang / mailing list analysis at IETF 111 X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 18:21:01 -0000 --000000000000babe3705c755c35a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A great resource on 3gpp, thanks for sharing! I believe mnot maintains https://rfc.fyi/ which has a somewhat similar rapid search interface for RFCs. And there's definitely more interesting work to be done on automated analysis of RFCs and I-Ds! If you have a particular research question, please share and we'll see if someone can parse the data. Cheers, Nick On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 4:15 AM Esko Dijk wrote: > Hello Nick, > > > > Just a note that automated analysis of IETF RFCs / drafts could be of > interest too. For the 3GPP cellular standards I created this free online > tool: https://3gpp.guru/. > > It finds the (multiple) definitions of an acronym if you type it in, or i= t > can find all documents that reference specific words/strings by using the > =E2=80=98ref=E2=80=99 query. I use it now in my daily work and a couple o= f other people too. > > > > I had reserved the domain name =E2=80=98ietf.guru=E2=80=99 to do the same= for IETF, but > well, available time ran out ;-) > > > > Best regards > > Esko > > > > *From:* hackathon *On Behalf Of *Nick Doty > *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2021 23:43 > *To:* hackathon@ietf.org > *Subject:* [hackathon] Bigbang / mailing list analysis at IETF 111 > > > > IETF hackathon folks, > > > > At a couple recent hackathons, a group of us researchers have been workin= g > on Bigbang and related tools for analysis of IETF mailing lists and other > IETF data. (At the last IETF plenary we got a quick shout out for some > analysis of attendance at virtual/in-person meetings by geography.) There > are many questions that academics and civil society have raised about > participation in Internet standard-setting processes, but it would be gre= at > to know more what IETF participants want to learn about their own groups, > how groups compare, who participates at the IETF and how, and what would = be > useful data and analysis. > > > > We'd welcome any IETFers to drop in and join us: > > 1. work on some Python code (in a Jupyter notebook, say) to analyze your > WG's mailing list, or > > 2. bring your favorite research question you've always wondered about re: > participation or activity in the IETF and we can see if there's data/code > to answer it, or > > 3. open an issue, send us an email, or join the chatroom to share ideas > about potential features or tools you'd like. > > > > We'll be talking (videochat) tomorrow, Friday, July 16th at 9:00 Eastern, > 13:00 UTC, 15:00 CEST to make some plans for the week and then we'll be > hacking on and off next week. > > > > Cheers, > > Nick > > > > videochat: https://meet.jit.si/BigBangBiWeeklyCall > project website: https://datactive.github.io/bigbang/ > dev mailing list: https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/bigbang-dev > chat: https://gitter.im/datactive/bigbang > --000000000000babe3705c755c35a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A great resource on 3gpp, thanks for sharing!

I believe mnot maintains https://rfc.fyi/ which has a somewhat similar rapid search interface = for RFCs.

And there's definitely more interest= ing work to be done on automated analysis of RFCs and I-Ds! If you have a p= articular research question, please share and we'll see if someone can = parse the data.

Cheers,
Nick

On= Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 4:15 AM Esko Dijk <esko.dijk@iotconsultancy.nl> wrote:

Hello Nick,

=C2=A0

Just a note that automated analysis of IETF RFCs / d= rafts could be of interest too.=C2=A0 For the 3GPP cellular standards I cre= ated this free online tool: https://3gpp.guru/.

It finds the (multiple) definitions of an acronym if= you type it in, or it can find all documents that reference specific words= /strings by using the =E2=80=98ref=E2=80=99 query. I use it now in my daily= work and a couple of other people too.

=C2=A0

I had reserved the domain name =E2=80=98ietf.guru=E2= =80=99 to do the same for IETF, but well, available time ran out ;-)=

=C2=A0

Best regards

Esko

=C2=A0

From: hackathon <hackathon-bounces@ietf.org> <= b>On Behalf Of Nick Doty
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 23:43
To: hackatho= n@ietf.org
Subject: [hackathon] Bigbang / mailing list analysis at IETF 111<= /u>

=C2=A0

IETF hackathon folks,

=C2=A0

At a couple recent hackathons, a group of us researc= hers have been working on Bigbang and related tools for analysis of IETF ma= iling lists and other IETF data. (At the last IETF plenary we got a quick s= hout out for some analysis of attendance at virtual/in-person meetings by geography.) There are many questions that= academics and civil society have raised about participation in Internet st= andard-setting processes, but it would be great to know more what IETF part= icipants want to learn about their own groups, how groups compare, who participates at the IETF and how, and = what would be useful data and analysis.

=C2=A0

We'd welcome any IETFers to drop in and join us:=

1. work on some Python code (in a Jupyter notebook, = say) to analyze your WG's mailing list, or

2. bring your favorite research question you've = always wondered about re: participation or activity in the IETF and we can = see if there's data/code to answer it, or

3. open an issue, send us an email, or join the chat= room to share ideas about potential features or tools you'd like.

=C2=A0

We'll be talking (videochat) tomorrow, Friday, J= uly 16th at 9:00 Eastern, 13:00 UTC, 15:00 CEST to make some plans for the = week and then we'll be hacking on and off next week.

=C2=A0

Cheers,

Nick

=C2=A0

videochat: https://meet.jit.si/BigBangBiWeeklyCall
project website: https://datactive.github.io/bigbang/
dev mailing list: https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/bigbang-dev
chat: htt= ps://gitter.im/datactive/bigbang

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 18:59:33 -0000 --0000000000008defec05c7564dad Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 10:06 AM Alexandre Petrescu < alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote: > *From:* hackathon > *On Behalf Of *Nick Doty > *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2021 23:43 > *To:* hackathon@ietf.org > *Subject:* [hackathon] Bigbang / mailing list analysis at IETF 111 > > > > IETF hackathon folks, > > > > At a couple recent hackathons, a group of us researchers have been working > on Bigbang and related tools for analysis of IETF mailing lists and other > IETF data. (At the last IETF plenary we got a quick shout out for some > analysis of attendance at virtual/in-person meetings by geography.) There > are many questions that academics and civil society have raised about > participation in Internet standard-setting processes, but it would be great > to know more what IETF participants want to learn about their own groups, > how groups compare, who participates at the IETF and how, and what would be > useful data and analysis. > > > > We'd welcome any IETFers to drop in and join us: > > 1. work on some Python code (in a Jupyter notebook, say) to analyze your > WG's mailing list, or > > 2. bring your favorite research question you've always wondered about re: > participation or activity in the IETF and we can see if there's data/code > to answer it, or > > 3. open an issue, send us an email, or join the chatroom to share ideas > about potential features or tools you'd like. > > > > We'll be talking (videochat) tomorrow, Friday, July 16th at 9:00 Eastern, > 13:00 UTC, 15:00 CEST to make some plans for the week and then we'll be > hacking on and off next week. > > > > Cheers, > > Nick > > > > videochat: https://meet.jit.si/BigBangBiWeeklyCall > project website: https://datactive.github.io/bigbang/ > dev mailing list: https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/bigbang-dev > chat: https://gitter.im/datactive/bigbang > > Among the URLs above only the first works on IPv6 (the jit.si). The > others dont. They shouldnt be advertised at IETF, I think, IMHO. Or maybe > we identify why they dont work on IPv6 and then try to fix it and then put > it back on emails to IETF. > > There is a problem in seeing a growing number of URLs that dont work on > IPv6 and that get published in email lists at IETF, even if all pure IETF > URLs do work on IPv6. > > So, I suspect there might be a need to find out how many is that. > I don't think I would support prohibiting mention of URLs of services that don't implement particular standards on IETF mailing lists. But it might be interesting to check all links mentioned on IETF lists (for use of HTTPS or IPv6 or DNSSEC, say) -- to identify services that would be especially important to upgrade, or to see how the URLs that IETFers mention compare to some popular corpus. As a matter of dogfooding, do we more quickly or more slowly adopt new standards, among the URLs that we talk about? If this sounds like promising work, feel free to open an issue in our repo. Or, as I see that Github doesn't provide an IPv6 address, feel free to connect to Matrix.org or your favorite IPv6-supporting Matrix server and chat with us in this room: #datactive_bigbang:gitter.im. :) Cheers, Nick --0000000000008defec05c7564dad Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 10:06 AM Alex= andre Petrescu <alexandr= e.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote:
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From: hackathon <hackathon-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Nick Doty
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 23:43
To: hackathon@ietf.org
Subject: [hackathon] Bigbang / mailing list analysis at IETF 111

=C2=A0

IETF hackathon folks,

=C2=A0

At a couple recent hackathons, a group of us researchers have been working on Bigbang and related tools for analysis of IETF mailing lists and other IETF data. (At the last IETF plenary we got a quick shout out for some analysis of attendance at virtual/in-person meetings by geography.) There are many questions that academics and civil society have raised about participation in Internet standard-setting processes, but it would be great to know more what IETF participants want to learn about their own groups, how groups compare, who participates at the IETF and how, and what would be useful data and analysis.

=C2=A0

We'd welcome any IETFers to drop in = and join us:

1. work on some Python code (in a Jupyter notebook, say) to analyze your WG's mailing list, or

2. bring your favorite research question you've always wondered about re: participation o= r activity in the IETF and we can see if there's data/code to answer it, or

3. open an issue, send us an email, or join the chatroom to share ideas about potential features or tools you'd like.

=C2=A0

We'll be talking (videochat) tomorro= w, Friday, July 16th at 9:00 Eastern, 13:00 UTC, 15:00 CEST to make some plans for the week and then we'll be hacking on and off next week.

=C2=A0

Cheers,

Nick

=C2=A0

videochat: https://meet.jit.si/BigBangBiWeeklyCall
project website: https://datactive.github.io/bigbang/
dev mailing list: https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/bigbang-dev
chat: https://gitter.im/datactive/bigbang

Among the URLs above only the first works on IPv6 (the jit.si).=C2=A0 The others dont.=C2=A0 They shouldnt be advertised at IETF, I think, IMHO.=C2=A0 Or maybe we identify why they dont work on IPv6 and then try to fix it and then put it back on emails to IETF.

There is a problem in seeing a growing number of URLs that dont work on IPv6 and that get published in email lists at IETF, even if all pure IETF URLs do work on IPv6.

So, I suspect there might be a need to find out how many is that.

I don't think I would support prohibiting = mention of URLs of services that don't implement particular standards o= n IETF mailing lists. But it might be interesting to check all links mentio= ned on IETF lists (for use of HTTPS or IPv6 or DNSSEC, say) -- to identify = services that would be especially important to upgrade, or to see how the U= RLs that IETFers mention compare to some popular corpus. As a matter of dog= fooding, do we more quickly or more slowly adopt new standards, among the U= RLs that we talk about?

If this sounds like promis= ing work, feel free to open an issue in our repo. Or, as I see that Github = doesn't provide an IPv6 address, feel free to connect to Matrix.org or = your favorite IPv6-supporting Matrix server and chat with us in this room: = #datactive_bigbang:gitter.im. :)
=

Cheers,
Nick
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Thanks, Venkat Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 17, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Nick Doty wrot= e: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF >=20 >=20 >> On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 10:06 AM Alexandre Petrescu wrote: >>> From: hackathon On Behalf Of Nick Doty >>> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 23:43 >>> To: hackathon@ietf.org >>> Subject: [hackathon] Bigbang / mailing list analysis at IETF 111 >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> IETF hackathon folks, >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> At a couple recent hackathons, a group of us researchers have been worki= ng on Bigbang and related tools for analysis of IETF mailing lists and other= IETF data. (At the last IETF plenary we got a quick shout out for some anal= ysis of attendance at virtual/in-person meetings by geography.) There are ma= ny questions that academics and civil society have raised about participatio= n in Internet standard-setting processes, but it would be great to know more= what IETF participants want to learn about their own groups, how groups com= pare, who participates at the IETF and how, and what would be useful data an= d analysis. >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> We'd welcome any IETFers to drop in and join us: >>>=20 >>> 1. work on some Python code (in a Jupyter notebook, say) to analyze your= WG's mailing list, or >>>=20 >>> 2. bring your favorite research question you've always wondered about re= : participation or activity in the IETF and we can see if there's data/code t= o answer it, or >>>=20 >>> 3. open an issue, send us an email, or join the chatroom to share ideas a= bout potential features or tools you'd like. >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> We'll be talking (videochat) tomorrow, Friday, July 16th at 9:00 Eastern= , 13:00 UTC, 15:00 CEST to make some plans for the week and then we'll be ha= cking on and off next week. >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> Cheers, >>>=20 >>> Nick >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> videochat: https://meet.jit.si/BigBangBiWeeklyCall >>> project website: https://datactive.github.io/bigbang/ >>> dev mailing list: https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/bigbang-dev >>> chat: https://gitter.im/datactive/bigbang >>>=20 >> Among the URLs above only the first works on IPv6 (the jit.si). The othe= rs dont. They shouldnt be advertised at IETF, I think, IMHO. Or maybe we i= dentify why they dont work on IPv6 and then try to fix it and then put it ba= ck on emails to IETF. >>=20 >> There is a problem in seeing a growing number of URLs that dont work on I= Pv6 and that get published in email lists at IETF, even if all pure IETF URL= s do work on IPv6. >>=20 >> So, I suspect there might be a need to find out how many is that. >>=20 > I don't think I would support prohibiting mention of URLs of services that= don't implement particular standards on IETF mailing lists. But it might be= interesting to check all links mentioned on IETF lists (for use of HTTPS or= IPv6 or DNSSEC, say) -- to identify services that would be especially impor= tant to upgrade, or to see how the URLs that IETFers mention compare to some= popular corpus. As a matter of dogfooding, do we more quickly or more slowl= y adopt new standards, among the URLs that we talk about? >=20 > If this sounds like promising work, feel free to open an issue in our repo= . Or, as I see that Github doesn't provide an IPv6 address, feel free to con= nect to Matrix.org or your favorite IPv6-supporting Matrix server and chat w= ith us in this room: #datactive_bigbang:gitter.im. :) >=20 > Cheers, > Nick > _______________________________________________ > hackathon mailing list > hackathon@ietf.org > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hackatho= n__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!Ol_t5mUlSGKYrt6KTeiphig10KQY2rodckAHfE7RSgVuqtMhpLcBgrm= rLEjGOsps$=20 > Unsubscribe: mailto:hackathon-request@ietf.org?subject=3Dunsubscribe --Apple-Mail-132E8182-EEFC-4557-ADC4-03591CC7326C Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,
I have been trying to unsubscribe f= rom the mailing list for quite a long time. Please let me know if you can in= itiate the process of cancelling subscription soon.
Thanks,
<= div>Venkat

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 17, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Nick Doty <n= pdoty@ischool.berkeley.edu> wrote:

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From: hackathon = <hackathon-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Nick Doty
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 23:43
To: hackathon@ietf.org
Subject: [hackathon] Bigbang / mailing list analysis at IETF 111

 

IETF hackathon folks,

 

At a couple recent hackathons, a group of us researchers have been working on Bigbang and related tools for analysis of IETF mailing lists and other IETF data. (At the last IETF plenary we got a quick shout out for some analysis of attendance at virtual/in-person meetings by geography.) There are many questions that academics and civil society have raised about participation in Internet standard-setting processes, but it would be great to know more what IETF participants want to learn about their own groups, how groups compare, who participates at the IETF and how, and what would be useful data and analysis.

 

We'd welcome any IETFers to drop in and join us:

1. work on some Python code (in a Jupyter notebook, say) to analyze your WG's mailing list, or

2. bring your favorite research question you've always wondered about re: participation or activity in the IETF and we can see if there's data/code to answer it, or

3. open an issue, send us an email, or join the chatroom to share ideas about potential features or tools you'd like.

 

We'll be talking (videochat) tomorrow, Friday, July 16th at 9:00 Eastern, 13:00 UTC, 15:00 CEST to make some plans for the week and then we'll be hacking on and off next week.

 

Cheers,

Nick

 

videochat: https://meet.jit.si/BigBangBiWeeklyCall
project website: https://datactive.g= ithub.io/bigbang/
dev mailing list: https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/bigbang-dev
chat: https://gitter.im/datactive/big= bang

Among the URLs above only the first works on IPv6 (the jit.si).  The others dont.  They shouldnt be advertised at IETF, I think, IMHO.  Or maybe we identify why they dont work on IPv6 and then try to fix it and then put it back on emails to IETF.

There is a problem in seeing a growing number of URLs that dont work on IPv6 and that get published in email lists at IETF, even if all pure IETF URLs do work on IPv6.

So, I suspect there might be a need to find out how many is that.
=



Cheers,
Nick
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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 00:34:03 -0000 --000000000000b6262205c75af98a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable San.www4.irs.gov On Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 1:21 PM Nick Doty wrote= : > A great resource on 3gpp, thanks for sharing! > > I believe mnot maintains https://rfc.fyi/ which has a somewhat similar > rapid search interface for RFCs. > > And there's definitely more interesting work to be done on automated > analysis of RFCs and I-Ds! If you have a particular research question, > please share and we'll see if someone can parse the data. > > Cheers, > Nick > > On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 4:15 AM Esko Dijk > wrote: > >> Hello Nick, >> >> >> >> Just a note that automated analysis of IETF RFCs / drafts could be of >> interest too. For the 3GPP cellular standards I created this free onlin= e >> tool: https://3gpp.guru/. >> >> It finds the (multiple) definitions of an acronym if you type it in, or >> it can find all documents that reference specific words/strings by using >> the =E2=80=98ref=E2=80=99 query. I use it now in my daily work and a cou= ple of other people >> too. >> >> >> >> I had reserved the domain name =E2=80=98ietf.guru=E2=80=99 to do the sam= e for IETF, but >> well, available time ran out ;-) >> >> >> >> Best regards >> >> Esko >> >> >> >> *From:* hackathon *On Behalf Of *Nick Doty >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2021 23:43 >> *To:* hackathon@ietf.org >> *Subject:* [hackathon] Bigbang / mailing list analysis at IETF 111 >> >> >> >> IETF hackathon folks, >> >> >> >> At a couple recent hackathons, a group of us researchers have been >> working on Bigbang and related tools for analysis of IETF mailing lists = and >> other IETF data. (At the last IETF plenary we got a quick shout out for >> some analysis of attendance at virtual/in-person meetings by geography.) >> There are many questions that academics and civil society have raised ab= out >> participation in Internet standard-setting processes, but it would be gr= eat >> to know more what IETF participants want to learn about their own groups= , >> how groups compare, who participates at the IETF and how, and what would= be >> useful data and analysis. >> >> >> >> We'd welcome any IETFers to drop in and join us: >> >> 1. work on some Python code (in a Jupyter notebook, say) to analyze your >> WG's mailing list, or >> >> 2. bring your favorite research question you've always wondered about re= : >> participation or activity in the IETF and we can see if there's data/cod= e >> to answer it, or >> >> 3. open an issue, send us an email, or join the chatroom to share ideas >> about potential features or tools you'd like. >> >> >> >> We'll be talking (videochat) tomorrow, Friday, July 16th at 9:00 Eastern= , >> 13:00 UTC, 15:00 CEST to make some plans for the week and then we'll be >> hacking on and off next week. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> videochat: https://meet.jit.si/BigBangBiWeeklyCall >> project website: https://datactive.github.io/bigbang/ >> dev mailing list: https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/bigbang-dev >> chat: https://gitter.im/datactive/bigbang >> > _______________________________________________ > hackathon mailing list > hackathon@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hackathon > Unsubscribe: mailto:hackathon-request@ietf.org?subject=3Dunsubscribe > --000000000000b6262205c75af98a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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O= n Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 1:21 PM Nick Doty <npdoty@ischool.berkeley.edu> wrote:
A great resource on 3gpp, than= ks for sharing!

I believe mnot maintains https://rfc.f= yi/ which has a somewhat similar rapid search interface for RFCs.
=

And there's definitely more interesting work to be = done on automated analysis of RFCs and I-Ds! If you have a particular resea= rch question, please share and we'll see if someone can parse the data.=

Cheers,
Nick

On Fri, Jul 16, 2= 021 at 4:15 AM Esko Dijk <esko.dijk@iotconsultancy.nl> w= rote:

Hello Nick,

=C2=A0

Just a note that automated analysis of IETF RFCs / d= rafts could be of interest too.=C2=A0 For the 3GPP cellular standards I cre= ated this free online tool: https:/= /3gpp.guru/.

It finds the (multiple) definitions of an acronym if= you type it in, or it can find all documents that reference specific words= /strings by using the =E2=80=98ref=E2=80=99 query. I use it now in my daily= work and a couple of other people too.

=C2=A0

I had reserved the domain name =E2=80=98ietf.guru=E2= =80=99 to do the same for IETF, but well, available time ran out ;-)=

=C2=A0

Best regards

Esko

=C2=A0

From: hackathon <hackathon-bounces= @ietf.org> On Behalf Of Nick Doty
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 23:43
To: hackathon@ietf.org
Subject: [hackathon] Bigbang / mailing list analysis at IETF 111<= /u>

=C2=A0

IETF hackathon folks,

=C2=A0

At a couple recent hackathons, a group of us researc= hers have been working on Bigbang and related tools for analysis of IETF ma= iling lists and other IETF data. (At the last IETF plenary we got a quick s= hout out for some analysis of attendance at virtual/in-person meetings by geography.) There are many questions that= academics and civil society have raised about participation in Internet st= andard-setting processes, but it would be great to know more what IETF part= icipants want to learn about their own groups, how groups compare, who participates at the IETF and how, and = what would be useful data and analysis.

=C2=A0

We'd welcome any IETFers to drop in and join us:=

1. work on some Python code (in a Jupyter notebook, = say) to analyze your WG's mailing list, or

2. bring your favorite research question you've = always wondered about re: participation or activity in the IETF and we can = see if there's data/code to answer it, or

3. open an issue, send us an email, or join the chat= room to share ideas about potential features or tools you'd like.

=C2=A0

We'll be talking (videochat) tomorrow, Friday, J= uly 16th at 9:00 Eastern, 13:00 UTC, 15:00 CEST to make some plans for the = week and then we'll be hacking on and off next week.

=C2=A0

Cheers,

Nick

=C2=A0

videochat: https://meet.jit.si/BigBangBiWeeklyCall
project website: https://datactive.github.io/bigbang/
dev mailing list: https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/bigbang-dev
chat: https://gitter.im/datactive/bigbang

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boundary="------------6FEE8BDF35717D3AD27544C2" Content-Language: fr Archived-At: Subject: Re: [hackathon] Bigbang / mailing list analysis at IETF 111 X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 10:45:58 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6FEE8BDF35717D3AD27544C2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 18/07/2021 à 20:40, Esko Dijk a écrit : > > Thanks for the feedback! > > > But I need a particular use of it.  I must find where in the 3GPP > documents does it say '/64'?  The tool does not issue any answer if I > type /64, even if the human liaison did  find the relevant place in a > particular TS. > > Yes this is currently a problem. You could type ‘64’ and then the tool > will tell you to use ‘ref 64’ to find references to this string. But > this isn’t what you want… Problem is that ‘/’ is considered a word > separator and therefore not indexed as a unit; so ‘ref /64’ doesn’t work. > > > Also, I would like to see where is 3GPP talking about 6G, and it > doesnt seem to, if I use the tool.  But 6G does appear on a 3GPP.org > web page > > If you type ‘6G’ it will tell you to try ‘ref 6G’ – that will find > some mentions, but most would be things like “see table 5.6G” or > formulas, etc. Current spec work is mostly on 5G and 5G-Advanced, and > specific radio technologies like NR (part of 5G system). > > AFAIK there are no 6G system requirements or use cases documents yet.  > (The millions of discussion documents – Tdocs – slides, etc. are not > indexed and these may talk about it.) > So the header of 3gpp.guru might rather say for more precision, if necessary: "Find acronyms, abbreviations, labels, terms, constants, words, references, specs and WIs in 3GPP (but not in the discussion documents, Tdocs or slides)" (parenthesis added). or maybe "Grep text in acronyms, abbreviations, labels, terms, constants, words, references, specs and WIs of 3GPP " (note the use of the word 'grep', instead of 'find', because the 3gpp.guru sometimes just searches but does not find). Alex > Best regards > > Esko > > *From:* hackathon *On Behalf Of > *Alexandre Petrescu > *Sent:* Friday, July 16, 2021 16:06 > *To:* hackathon@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [hackathon] Bigbang / mailing list analysis at IETF 111 > > Le 16/07/2021 à 10:15, Esko Dijk a écrit : > > Hello Nick, > > Just a note that automated analysis of IETF RFCs / drafts could be > of interest too.  For the 3GPP cellular standards I created this > free online tool: https://3gpp.guru/ . > > A great idea for a tool.  I tested it and it works on IPv6, thank you. > > But I need a particular use of it.  I must find where in the 3GPP > documents does it say '/64'?  The tool does not issue any answer if I > type /64, even if the human liaison did  find the relevant place in a > particular TS. > > Also, I would like to see where is 3GPP talking about 6G, and it > doesnt seem to, if I use the tool.  But 6G does appear on a 3GPP.org > web page. > > It finds the (multiple) definitions of an acronym if you type it > in, or it can find all documents that reference specific > words/strings by using the ‘ref’ query. I use it now in my daily > work and a couple of other people too. > > I had reserved the domain name ‘ietf.guru’ to do the same for > IETF, but well, available time ran out ;-) > > Best regards > > Esko > > *From:* hackathon > *On Behalf Of *Nick Doty > *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2021 23:43 > *To:* hackathon@ietf.org > *Subject:* [hackathon] Bigbang / mailing list analysis at IETF 111 > > IETF hackathon folks, > > At a couple recent hackathons, a group of us researchers have been > working on Bigbang and related tools for analysis of IETF mailing > lists and other IETF data. (At the last IETF plenary we got a > quick shout out for some analysis of attendance at > virtual/in-person meetings by geography.) There are many questions > that academics and civil society have raised about participation > in Internet standard-setting processes, but it would be great to > know more what IETF participants want to learn about their own > groups, how groups compare, who participates at the IETF and how, > and what would be useful data and analysis. > > We'd welcome any IETFers to drop in and join us: > > 1. work on some Python code (in a Jupyter notebook, say) to > analyze your WG's mailing list, or > > 2. bring your favorite research question you've always wondered > about re: participation or activity in the IETF and we can see if > there's data/code to answer it, or > > 3. open an issue, send us an email, or join the chatroom to share > ideas about potential features or tools you'd like. > > We'll be talking (videochat) tomorrow, Friday, July 16th at 9:00 > Eastern, 13:00 UTC, 15:00 CEST to make some plans for the week and > then we'll be hacking on and off next week. > > Cheers, > > Nick > > videochat: https://meet.jit.si/BigBangBiWeeklyCall > > project website: https://datactive.github.io/bigbang/ > > dev mailing list: > https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/bigbang-dev > > chat: https://gitter.im/datactive/bigbang > > > Among the URLs above only the first works on IPv6 (the jit.si).  The > others dont.  They shouldnt be advertised at IETF, I think, IMHO.  Or > maybe we identify why they dont work on IPv6 and then try to fix it > and then put it back on emails to IETF. > > There is a problem in seeing a growing number of URLs that dont work > on IPv6 and that get published in email lists at IETF, even if all > pure IETF URLs do work on IPv6. > > So, I suspect there might be a need to find out how many is that. > > Alex > > > > _______________________________________________ > > hackathon mailing list > > hackathon@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hackathon > > Unsubscribe:mailto:hackathon-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe > > > _______________________________________________ > hackathon mailing list > hackathon@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hackathon > Unsubscribe: mailto:hackathon-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe --------------6FEE8BDF35717D3AD27544C2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


Le 18/07/2021 à 20:40, Esko Dijk a écrit :

Thanks for the feedback!

 

> But I need a particular use of it.  I must find where in the 3GPP documents does it say '/64'?  The tool does not issue any answer if I type /64, even if the human liaison did  find the relevant place in a particular TS.

Yes this is currently a problem. You could type ‘64’ and then the tool will tell you to use ‘ref 64’ to find references to this string. But this isn’t what you want… Problem is that ‘/’ is considered a word separator and therefore not indexed as a unit; so ‘ref /64’ doesn’t work.

 

> Also, I would like to see where is 3GPP talking about 6G, and it doesnt seem to, if I use the tool.  But 6G does appear on a 3GPP.org web page

If you type ‘6G’ it will tell you to try ‘ref 6G’ – that will find some mentions, but most would be things like “see table 5.6G” or formulas, etc. Current spec work is mostly on 5G and 5G-Advanced, and specific radio technologies like NR (part of 5G system).

AFAIK there are no 6G system requirements or use cases documents yet.  (The millions of discussion documents – Tdocs – slides, etc. are not indexed and these may talk about it.)


So the header of 3gpp.guru might rather say for more precision, if necessary:

"Find acronyms, abbreviations, labels, terms, constants, words, references, specs and WIs in 3GPP (but not in the discussion documents, Tdocs or slides)" (parenthesis added).

or maybe

"Grep text in acronyms, abbreviations, labels, terms, constants, words, references, specs and WIs of 3GPP" (note the use of the word 'grep', instead of 'find', because the 3gpp.guru sometimes just searches but does not find).

Alex


 

Best regards

Esko

 

 

From: hackathon <hackathon-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Alexandre Petrescu
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 16:06
To: hackathon@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [hackathon] Bigbang / mailing list analysis at IETF 111

 

 

Le 16/07/2021 à 10:15, Esko Dijk a écrit :

Hello Nick,

 

Just a note that automated analysis of IETF RFCs / drafts could be of interest too.  For the 3GPP cellular standards I created this free online tool: https://3gpp.guru/.

A great idea for a tool.  I tested it and it works on IPv6, thank you.

But I need a particular use of it.  I must find where in the 3GPP documents does it say '/64'?  The tool does not issue any answer if I type /64, even if the human liaison did  find the relevant place in a particular TS.

Also, I would like to see where is 3GPP talking about 6G, and it doesnt seem to, if I use the tool.  But 6G does appear on a 3GPP.org web page.

It finds the (multiple) definitions of an acronym if you type it in, or it can find all documents that reference specific words/strings by using the ‘ref’ query. I use it now in my daily work and a couple of other people too.

 

I had reserved the domain name ‘ietf.guru’ to do the same for IETF, but well, available time ran out ;-)

 

Best regards

Esko

 

From: hackathon <hackathon-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Nick Doty
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 23:43
To: hackathon@ietf.org
Subject: [hackathon] Bigbang / mailing list analysis at IETF 111

 

IETF hackathon folks,

 

At a couple recent hackathons, a group of us researchers have been working on Bigbang and related tools for analysis of IETF mailing lists and other IETF data. (At the last IETF plenary we got a quick shout out for some analysis of attendance at virtual/in-person meetings by geography.) There are many questions that academics and civil society have raised about participation in Internet standard-setting processes, but it would be great to know more what IETF participants want to learn about their own groups, how groups compare, who participates at the IETF and how, and what would be useful data and analysis.

 

We'd welcome any IETFers to drop in and join us:

1. work on some Python code (in a Jupyter notebook, say) to analyze your WG's mailing list, or

2. bring your favorite research question you've always wondered about re: participation or activity in the IETF and we can see if there's data/code to answer it, or

3. open an issue, send us an email, or join the chatroom to share ideas about potential features or tools you'd like.

 

We'll be talking (videochat) tomorrow, Friday, July 16th at 9:00 Eastern, 13:00 UTC, 15:00 CEST to make some plans for the week and then we'll be hacking on and off next week.

 

Cheers,

Nick

 

videochat: https://meet.jit.si/BigBangBiWeeklyCall
project website: https://datactive.github.io/bigbang/
dev mailing list: https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/bigbang-dev
chat: https://gitter.im/datactive/bigbang

Among the URLs above only the first works on IPv6 (the jit.si).  The others dont.  They shouldnt be advertised at IETF, I think, IMHO.  Or maybe we identify why they dont work on IPv6 and then try to fix it and then put it back on emails to IETF.

There is a problem in seeing a growing number of URLs that dont work on IPv6 and that get published in email lists at IETF, even if all pure IETF URLs do work on IPv6.

So, I suspect there might be a need to find out how many is that.

Alex



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--------------6FEE8BDF35717D3AD27544C2-- From nobody Mon Jul 19 04:13:17 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E9843A2E7A for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 04:13:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.671 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.671 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MHYMi2-NK0wD for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 04:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sainfoin-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr (sainfoin-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1377B3A2FA5 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 04:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by sainfoin-sys.extra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id 16JBD77q006766 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 13:13:07 +0200 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id D13492049C0 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 13:13:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from muguet2-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr (muguet2-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.13]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F8B203AE8 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 13:13:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.8.35.150] (is154594.intra.cea.fr [10.8.35.150]) by muguet2-sys.intra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id 16JBD77G000923 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 13:13:07 +0200 From: Alexandre Petrescu To: hackathon@ietf.org References: <05941768-011d-678b-8c22-57c2f8125861@gmail.com> <14cdceb6-b1b9-bf04-cbcd-38b65992e2a1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <024368b7-816a-2bb2-9011-8cab87013e3f@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 13:13:07 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14cdceb6-b1b9-bf04-cbcd-38b65992e2a1@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B7284961EF72A0EE78CE78EB" Content-Language: fr Archived-At: Subject: Re: [hackathon] Bigbang / mailing list analysis at IETF 111 X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 11:13:15 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B7284961EF72A0EE78CE78EB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit just one addition I wanted to say: it is good if some times some tools dont find something. Tools such as google search will always find something even if that something is misleading. Le 19/07/2021 à 12:45, Alexandre Petrescu a écrit : > > > Le 18/07/2021 à 20:40, Esko Dijk a écrit : >> >> Thanks for the feedback! >> >> > But I need a particular use of it. I must find where in the 3GPP >> documents does it say '/64'? The tool does not issue any answer if I >> type /64, even if the human liaison did  find the relevant place in a >> particular TS. >> >> Yes this is currently a problem. You could type ‘64’ and then the >> tool will tell you to use ‘ref 64’ to find references to this string. >> But this isn’t what you want… Problem is that ‘/’ is considered a >> word separator and therefore not indexed as a unit; so ‘ref /64’ >> doesn’t work. >> >> > Also, I would like to see where is 3GPP talking about 6G, and it >> doesnt seem to, if I use the tool.  But 6G does appear on a 3GPP.org >> web page >> >> If you type ‘6G’ it will tell you to try ‘ref 6G’ – that will find >> some mentions, but most would be things like “see table 5.6G” or >> formulas, etc. Current spec work is mostly on 5G and 5G-Advanced, and >> specific radio technologies like NR (part of 5G system). >> >> AFAIK there are no 6G system requirements or use cases documents >> yet.  (The millions of discussion documents – Tdocs – slides, etc. >> are not indexed and these may talk about it.) >> > > So the header of 3gpp.guru might rather say for more precision, if > necessary: > > "Find acronyms, abbreviations, labels, terms, constants, words, > references, specs and WIs in 3GPP (but not in > the discussion documents, Tdocs or slides)" (parenthesis added). > > or maybe > > "Grep text in acronyms, abbreviations, labels, terms, constants, > words, references, specs and WIs of 3GPP " > (note the use of the word 'grep', instead of 'find', because the > 3gpp.guru sometimes just searches but does not find). > > Alex > > >> Best regards >> >> Esko >> >> *From:* hackathon *On Behalf Of >> *Alexandre Petrescu >> *Sent:* Friday, July 16, 2021 16:06 >> *To:* hackathon@ietf.org >> *Subject:* Re: [hackathon] Bigbang / mailing list analysis at IETF 111 >> >> Le 16/07/2021 à 10:15, Esko Dijk a écrit : >> >> Hello Nick, >> >> Just a note that automated analysis of IETF RFCs / drafts could >> be of interest too.  For the 3GPP cellular standards I created >> this free online tool: https://3gpp.guru/ . >> >> A great idea for a tool.  I tested it and it works on IPv6, thank you. >> >> But I need a particular use of it.  I must find where in the 3GPP >> documents does it say '/64'?  The tool does not issue any answer if I >> type /64, even if the human liaison did  find the relevant place in a >> particular TS. >> >> Also, I would like to see where is 3GPP talking about 6G, and it >> doesnt seem to, if I use the tool.  But 6G does appear on a 3GPP.org >> web page. >> >> It finds the (multiple) definitions of an acronym if you type it >> in, or it can find all documents that reference specific >> words/strings by using the ‘ref’ query. I use it now in my daily >> work and a couple of other people too. >> >> I had reserved the domain name ‘ietf.guru’ to do the same for >> IETF, but well, available time ran out ;-) >> >> Best regards >> >> Esko >> >> *From:* hackathon >> *On Behalf Of *Nick Doty >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2021 23:43 >> *To:* hackathon@ietf.org >> *Subject:* [hackathon] Bigbang / mailing list analysis at IETF 111 >> >> IETF hackathon folks, >> >> At a couple recent hackathons, a group of us researchers have >> been working on Bigbang and related tools for analysis of IETF >> mailing lists and other IETF data. (At the last IETF plenary we >> got a quick shout out for some analysis of attendance at >> virtual/in-person meetings by geography.) There are many >> questions that academics and civil society have raised about >> participation in Internet standard-setting processes, but it >> would be great to know more what IETF participants want to learn >> about their own groups, how groups compare, who participates at >> the IETF and how, and what would be useful data and analysis. >> >> We'd welcome any IETFers to drop in and join us: >> >> 1. work on some Python code (in a Jupyter notebook, say) to >> analyze your WG's mailing list, or >> >> 2. bring your favorite research question you've always wondered >> about re: participation or activity in the IETF and we can see if >> there's data/code to answer it, or >> >> 3. open an issue, send us an email, or join the chatroom to share >> ideas about potential features or tools you'd like. >> >> We'll be talking (videochat) tomorrow, Friday, July 16th at 9:00 >> Eastern, 13:00 UTC, 15:00 CEST to make some plans for the week >> and then we'll be hacking on and off next week. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Nick >> >> videochat: https://meet.jit.si/BigBangBiWeeklyCall >> >> project website: https://datactive.github.io/bigbang/ >> >> dev mailing list: >> https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/bigbang-dev >> >> chat: https://gitter.im/datactive/bigbang >> >> >> Among the URLs above only the first works on IPv6 (the jit.si).  The >> others dont.  They shouldnt be advertised at IETF, I think, IMHO.  Or >> maybe we identify why they dont work on IPv6 and then try to fix it >> and then put it back on emails to IETF. >> >> There is a problem in seeing a growing number of URLs that dont work >> on IPv6 and that get published in email lists at IETF, even if all >> pure IETF URLs do work on IPv6. >> >> So, I suspect there might be a need to find out how many is that. >> >> Alex >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> hackathon mailing list >> >> hackathon@ietf.org >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hackathon >> >> Unsubscribe:mailto:hackathon-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> hackathon mailing list >> hackathon@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hackathon >> Unsubscribe:mailto:hackathon-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe --------------B7284961EF72A0EE78CE78EB Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

just one addition I wanted to say: it is good if some times some tools dont find something.

Tools such as google search will always find something even if that something is misleading.

Le 19/07/2021 à 12:45, Alexandre Petrescu a écrit :


Le 18/07/2021 à 20:40, Esko Dijk a écrit :

Thanks for the feedback!

 

> But I need a particular use of it.  I must find where in the 3GPP documents does it say '/64'?  The tool does not issue any answer if I type /64, even if the human liaison did  find the relevant place in a particular TS.

Yes this is currently a problem. You could type ‘64’ and then the tool will tell you to use ‘ref 64’ to find references to this string. But this isn’t what you want… Problem is that ‘/’ is considered a word separator and therefore not indexed as a unit; so ‘ref /64’ doesn’t work.

 

> Also, I would like to see where is 3GPP talking about 6G, and it doesnt seem to, if I use the tool.  But 6G does appear on a 3GPP.org web page

If you type ‘6G’ it will tell you to try ‘ref 6G’ – that will find some mentions, but most would be things like “see table 5.6G” or formulas, etc. Current spec work is mostly on 5G and 5G-Advanced, and specific radio technologies like NR (part of 5G system).

AFAIK there are no 6G system requirements or use cases documents yet.  (The millions of discussion documents – Tdocs – slides, etc. are not indexed and these may talk about it.)


So the header of 3gpp.guru might rather say for more precision, if necessary:

"Find acronyms, abbreviations, labels, terms, constants, words, references, specs and WIs in 3GPP (but not in the discussion documents, Tdocs or slides)" (parenthesis added).

or maybe

"Grep text in acronyms, abbreviations, labels, terms, constants, words, references, specs and WIs of 3GPP" (note the use of the word 'grep', instead of 'find', because the 3gpp.guru sometimes just searches but does not find).

Alex


 

Best regards

Esko

 

 

From: hackathon <hackathon-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Alexandre Petrescu
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 16:06
To: hackathon@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [hackathon] Bigbang / mailing list analysis at IETF 111

 

 

Le 16/07/2021 à 10:15, Esko Dijk a écrit :

Hello Nick,

 

Just a note that automated analysis of IETF RFCs / drafts could be of interest too.  For the 3GPP cellular standards I created this free online tool: https://3gpp.guru/.

A great idea for a tool.  I tested it and it works on IPv6, thank you.

But I need a particular use of it.  I must find where in the 3GPP documents does it say '/64'?  The tool does not issue any answer if I type /64, even if the human liaison did  find the relevant place in a particular TS.

Also, I would like to see where is 3GPP talking about 6G, and it doesnt seem to, if I use the tool.  But 6G does appear on a 3GPP.org web page.

It finds the (multiple) definitions of an acronym if you type it in, or it can find all documents that reference specific words/strings by using the ‘ref’ query. I use it now in my daily work and a couple of other people too.

 

I had reserved the domain name ‘ietf.guru’ to do the same for IETF, but well, available time ran out ;-)

 

Best regards

Esko

 

From: hackathon <hackathon-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Nick Doty
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 23:43
To: hackathon@ietf.org
Subject: [hackathon] Bigbang / mailing list analysis at IETF 111

 

IETF hackathon folks,

 

At a couple recent hackathons, a group of us researchers have been working on Bigbang and related tools for analysis of IETF mailing lists and other IETF data. (At the last IETF plenary we got a quick shout out for some analysis of attendance at virtual/in-person meetings by geography.) There are many questions that academics and civil society have raised about participation in Internet standard-setting processes, but it would be great to know more what IETF participants want to learn about their own groups, how groups compare, who participates at the IETF and how, and what would be useful data and analysis.

 

We'd welcome any IETFers to drop in and join us:

1. work on some Python code (in a Jupyter notebook, say) to analyze your WG's mailing list, or

2. bring your favorite research question you've always wondered about re: participation or activity in the IETF and we can see if there's data/code to answer it, or

3. open an issue, send us an email, or join the chatroom to share ideas about potential features or tools you'd like.

 

We'll be talking (videochat) tomorrow, Friday, July 16th at 9:00 Eastern, 13:00 UTC, 15:00 CEST to make some plans for the week and then we'll be hacking on and off next week.

 

Cheers,

Nick

 

videochat: https://meet.jit.si/BigBangBiWeeklyCall
project website: https://datactive.github.io/bigbang/
dev mailing list: https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/bigbang-dev
chat: https://gitter.im/datactive/bigbang

Among the URLs above only the first works on IPv6 (the jit.si).  The others dont.  They shouldnt be advertised at IETF, I think, IMHO.  Or maybe we identify why they dont work on IPv6 and then try to fix it and then put it back on emails to IETF.

There is a problem in seeing a growing number of URLs that dont work on IPv6 and that get published in email lists at IETF, even if all pure IETF URLs do work on IPv6.

So, I suspect there might be a need to find out how many is that.

Alex



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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 11:23:17 -0000 Le 17/07/2021 à 20:59, Nick Doty a écrit : > > > On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 10:06 AM Alexandre Petrescu > > > wrote: > >> *From:* hackathon >> *On Behalf Of *Nick Doty >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2021 23:43 *To:* hackathon@ietf.org >> *Subject:* [hackathon] Bigbang / >> mailing list analysis at IETF 111____ >> >> __ __ >> >> IETF hackathon folks,____ >> >> __ __ >> >> At a couple recent hackathons, a group of us researchers have been >> working on Bigbang and related tools for analysis of IETF mailing >> lists and other IETF data. (At the last IETF plenary we got a quick >> shout out for some analysis of attendance at virtual/in-person >> meetings by geography.) There are many questions that academics and >> civil society have raised about participation in Internet >> standard-setting processes, but it would be great to know more what >> IETF participants want to learn about their own groups, how groups >> compare, who participates at the IETF and how, and what would be >> useful data and analysis.____ >> >> __ __ >> >> We'd welcome any IETFers to drop in and join us:____ >> >> 1. work on some Python code (in a Jupyter notebook, say) to analyze >> your WG's mailing list, or____ >> >> 2. bring your favorite research question you've always wondered >> about re: participation or activity in the IETF and we can see if >> there's data/code to answer it, or____ >> >> 3. open an issue, send us an email, or join the chatroom to share >> ideas about potential features or tools you'd like.____ >> >> __ __ >> >> We'll be talking (videochat) tomorrow, Friday, July 16th at 9:00 >> Eastern, 13:00 UTC, 15:00 CEST to make some plans for the week and >> then we'll be hacking on and off next week.____ >> >> __ __ >> >> Cheers,____ >> >> Nick____ >> >> __ __ >> >> videochat: https://meet.jit.si/BigBangBiWeeklyCall >> project website: >> https://datactive.github.io/bigbang/ >> dev mailing list: >> https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/bigbang-dev >> chat: >> https://gitter.im/datactive/bigbang >> >> > Among the URLs above only the first works on IPv6 (the jit.si > ). The others dont. They shouldnt be advertised at > IETF, I think, IMHO. Or maybe we identify why they dont work on IPv6 > and then try to fix it and then put it back on emails to IETF. > > There is a problem in seeing a growing number of URLs that dont work > on IPv6 and that get published in email lists at IETF, even if all > pure IETF URLs do work on IPv6. > > So, I suspect there might be a need to find out how many is that. > > I don't think I would support prohibiting mention of URLs of services > that don't implement particular standards on IETF mailing lists. I agree. It is not my intention either to suggest prohibiting mentioning URLs that dont implement some protocol. But, there is still a problem in some protocol not being deployed enough. All means that can help that deployment are advantageous. One can talk to github admins to request the new protocol, one can try other things, etc. > But it might be interesting to check all links mentioned on IETF > lists (for use of HTTPS or IPv6 or DNSSEC, say) -- to identify > services that would be especially important to upgrade, or to see how > the URLs that IETFers mention compare to some popular corpus. Yes, for github, there are other popular corpus offering same functionality and on IPv6. > As a matter of dogfooding, do we more quickly or more slowly adopt > new standards, among the URLs that we talk about? Among the URLs listed (github, gitter, ghserv, jitsi) only jitsi is visible on IPv6. That is one out of four. It is slow adoption. > If this sounds like promising work, feel free to open an issue in our > repo. No :-) If I want to dogfood ('eat one's own dog's food', or more illustratively 'practice what you preach') the deployment of IPv6 then I wouldn't go to a repo on IPv4. > Or, as I see that Github doesn't provide an IPv6 address, feel free > to connect to Matrix.org or your favorite IPv6-supporting Matrix > server and chat with us in this room: #datactive_bigbang:gitter.im > . :) Is gitter.im reachable on IPv6? Just wondering. Or I could simply post on this ietf.org email list which is on IPv6 too. I do that. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 12:08:21 -0000 --00000000000068625005c778ca08 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 09054960436 On Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 19:24 Alexandre Petrescu wrote: > > > Le 17/07/2021 =C3=A0 20:59, Nick Doty a =C3=A9crit : > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 10:06 AM Alexandre Petrescu > > > > > wrote: > > > >> *From:* hackathon > >> *On Behalf Of *Nick Doty > >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2021 23:43 *To:* hackathon@ietf.org > >> *Subject:* [hackathon] Bigbang / > >> mailing list analysis at IETF 111____ > >> > >> __ __ > >> > >> IETF hackathon folks,____ > >> > >> __ __ > >> > >> At a couple recent hackathons, a group of us researchers have been > >> working on Bigbang and related tools for analysis of IETF mailing > >> lists and other IETF data. (At the last IETF plenary we got a quick > >> shout out for some analysis of attendance at virtual/in-person > >> meetings by geography.) There are many questions that academics and > >> civil society have raised about participation in Internet > >> standard-setting processes, but it would be great to know more what > >> IETF participants want to learn about their own groups, how groups > >> compare, who participates at the IETF and how, and what would be > >> useful data and analysis.____ > >> > >> __ __ > >> > >> We'd welcome any IETFers to drop in and join us:____ > >> > >> 1. work on some Python code (in a Jupyter notebook, say) to analyze > >> your WG's mailing list, or____ > >> > >> 2. bring your favorite research question you've always wondered > >> about re: participation or activity in the IETF and we can see if > >> there's data/code to answer it, or____ > >> > >> 3. open an issue, send us an email, or join the chatroom to share > >> ideas about potential features or tools you'd like.____ > >> > >> __ __ > >> > >> We'll be talking (videochat) tomorrow, Friday, July 16th at 9:00 > >> Eastern, 13:00 UTC, 15:00 CEST to make some plans for the week and > >> then we'll be hacking on and off next week.____ > >> > >> __ __ > >> > >> Cheers,____ > >> > >> Nick____ > >> > >> __ __ > >> > >> videochat: https://meet.jit.si/BigBangBiWeeklyCall > >> project website: > >> https://datactive.github.io/bigbang/ > >> dev mailing list: > >> https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/bigbang-dev > >> chat: > >> https://gitter.im/datactive/bigbang > >> > >> > > Among the URLs above only the first works on IPv6 (the jit.si > > ). The others dont. They shouldnt be advertised at > > IETF, I think, IMHO. Or maybe we identify why they dont work on IPv6 > > and then try to fix it and then put it back on emails to IETF. > > > > There is a problem in seeing a growing number of URLs that dont work > > on IPv6 and that get published in email lists at IETF, even if all > > pure IETF URLs do work on IPv6. > > > > So, I suspect there might be a need to find out how many is that. > > > > I don't think I would support prohibiting mention of URLs of services > > that don't implement particular standards on IETF mailing lists. > > I agree. It is not my intention either to suggest prohibiting > mentioning URLs that dont implement some protocol. > > But, there is still a problem in some protocol not being deployed > enough. All means that can help that deployment are advantageous. > > One can talk to github admins to request the new protocol, one can try > other things, etc. > > > But it might be interesting to check all links mentioned on IETF > > lists (for use of HTTPS or IPv6 or DNSSEC, say) -- to identify > > services that would be especially important to upgrade, or to see how > > the URLs that IETFers mention compare to some popular corpus. > > Yes, for github, there are other popular corpus offering same > functionality and on IPv6. > > > As a matter of dogfooding, do we more quickly or more slowly adopt > > new standards, among the URLs that we talk about? > > Among the URLs listed (github, gitter, ghserv, jitsi) only jitsi is > visible on IPv6. That is one out of four. It is slow adoption. > > > If this sounds like promising work, feel free to open an issue in our > > repo. > > No :-) > > If I want to dogfood ('eat one's own dog's food', or more illustratively > 'practice what you preach') the deployment of IPv6 then I wouldn't go to > a repo on IPv4. > > > Or, as I see that Github doesn't provide an IPv6 address, feel free > > to connect to Matrix.org or your favorite IPv6-supporting Matrix > > server and chat with us in this room: #datactive_bigbang:gitter.im > > . :) > > Is gitter.im reachable on IPv6? Just wondering. > > Or I could simply post on this ietf.org email list which is on IPv6 too. > I do that. > > Alex > > > > > Cheers, Nick > > _______________________________________________ > hackathon mailing list > hackathon@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hackathon > Unsubscribe: mailto:hackathon-request@ietf.org?subject=3Dunsubscribe > --00000000000068625005c778ca08 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


090549604= 36

On Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 19:24 Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote:=


Le 17/07/2021 =C3=A0 20:59, Nick Doty a =C3=A9crit :
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 10:06 AM Alexandre Petrescu
> <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com <mailto:al= exandre.petrescu@gmail.com>>
>=C2=A0 wrote:
>
>> *From:* hackathon <hackathon-bounces@ietf.org> <= br> >> <mailto:hackathon-bounces@ietf.org> *On Behalf O= f *Nick Doty
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2021 23:43 *To:* hackathon@ietf.org=
>> <mailto:hackathon@ietf.org> *Subject:* [hackathon] Bigba= ng /
>> mailing list analysis at IETF 111____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> IETF hackathon folks,____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> At a couple recent hackathons, a group of us researchers have been=
>> working on Bigbang and related tools for analysis of IETF mailing =
>> lists and other IETF data. (At the last IETF plenary we got a quic= k
>> shout out for some analysis of attendance at virtual/in-person
>> meetings by geography.) There are many questions that academics an= d
>> civil society have raised about participation in Internet
>> standard-setting processes, but it would be great to know more wha= t
>> IETF participants want to learn about their own groups, how groups=
>> compare, who participates at the IETF and how, and what would be >> useful data and analysis.____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> We'd welcome any IETFers to drop in and join us:____
>>
>> 1. work on some Python code (in a Jupyter notebook, say) to analyz= e
>> your WG's mailing list, or____
>>
>> 2. bring your favorite research question you've always wondere= d
>> about re: participation or activity in the IETF and we can see if =
>> there's data/code to answer it, or____
>>
>> 3. open an issue, send us an email, or join the chatroom to share =
>> ideas about potential features or tools you'd like.____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> We'll be talking (videochat) tomorrow, Friday, July 16th at 9:= 00
>> Eastern, 13:00 UTC, 15:00 CEST to make some plans for the week and=
>> then we'll be hacking on and off next week.____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> Cheers,____
>>
>> Nick____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> videochat: https://meet.jit.si/BigBangBiW= eeklyCall
>> <https://meet.jit.si/BigBangBiWeeklyCa= ll> project website:
>> https://datactive.github.io/bigbang/ >> <https://datactive.github.io/bigbang/= > dev mailing list:
>> https://lists.ghserv.net/ma= ilman/listinfo/bigbang-dev
>> <https://lists.ghserv.ne= t/mailman/listinfo/bigbang-dev> chat:
>> https://gitter.im/datactive/bigbang
>> <https://gitter.im/datactive/bigbang&g= t;
>>
> Among the URLs above only the first works on IPv6 (the jit.si
> <http://jit.si>). The others dont.=C2=A0 They shouldnt be adv= ertised at
> IETF, I think, IMHO.=C2=A0 Or maybe we identify why they dont work on = IPv6
> and then try to fix it and then put it back on emails to IETF.
>
> There is a problem in seeing a growing number of URLs that dont work <= br> > on IPv6 and that get published in email lists at IETF, even if all > pure IETF URLs do work on IPv6.
>
> So, I suspect there might be a need to find out how many is that.
>
> I don't think I would support prohibiting mention of URLs of servi= ces
> that don't implement particular standards on IETF mailing lists.
I agree.=C2=A0 It is not my intention either to suggest prohibiting
mentioning URLs that dont implement some protocol.

But, there is still a problem in some protocol not being deployed
enough.=C2=A0 All means that can help that deployment are advantageous.

One can talk to github admins to request the new protocol, one can try
other things, etc.

> But it might be interesting to check all links mentioned on IETF
> lists (for use of HTTPS or IPv6 or DNSSEC, say) -- to identify
> services that would be especially important to upgrade, or to see how<= br> > the URLs that IETFers mention compare to some popular corpus.

Yes, for github, there are other popular corpus offering same
functionality and on IPv6.

> As a matter of dogfooding, do we more quickly or more slowly adopt > new standards, among the URLs that we talk about?

Among the URLs listed (github, gitter, ghserv, jitsi) only jitsi is
visible on IPv6.=C2=A0 That is one out of four.=C2=A0 It is slow adoption.<= br>
> If this sounds like promising work, feel free to open an issue in our<= br> > repo.

No :-)

If I want to dogfood ('eat one's own dog's food', or more i= llustratively
'practice what you preach') the deployment of IPv6 then I wouldn= 9;t go to
a repo on IPv4.

> Or, as I see that Github doesn't provide an IPv6 address, feel fre= e
> to connect to Matrix.org or your favorite IPv6-supporting Matrix
> server and chat with us in this room: #datactive_bigbang:gitter.im
> <http://gitter.im>. :)

Is gitter.im reachable on IPv6?=C2=A0 Just wondering.

Or I could simply post on this ietf.org email list which is on IPv6 to= o.
=C2=A0 I do that.

Alex

>
> Cheers, Nick

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:42:51 -0000 The Gather space has been updated for IETF 111, https://gather.town/app/L4fNNdm1NJa1sE2v/ietf When you enter Gather, you should see a banner for IETF 111. The Hackathon = room is through a doorway on right hand side. If you find yourself in a different/older version of the IETF Gather space,= you may need to clear your browser cache and enter the Gather space again.= That resolved the issue for me. Cheers, Charles= From nobody Mon Jul 19 12:46:36 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110DB3A3D54 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 12:46:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.652 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.652 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g2b4ewg33SMP for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 12:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3BCA3A3D51 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 12:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B72338B447; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 12:46:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sUbp3zegWVHC; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 12:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [IPv6:2601:647:4200:c8e0:e97d:9915:8e5:2be6]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 22D8D38B444; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 12:46:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Alexa Morris Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_553FF251-5CB0-4C24-93D7-B22C5B1726AC" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.100.0.2.22\)) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 12:46:26 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: "hackathon@ietf.org" To: "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.100.0.2.22) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [hackathon] Gather for IETF 111 and Hackathon X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:46:34 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_553FF251-5CB0-4C24-93D7-B22C5B1726AC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Alternatively, you can choose to respawn and that will put you into the = lobby again (see screen shot).=20 > On Jul 19, 2021, at 12:42 PM, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) = wrote: >=20 > The Gather space has been updated for IETF 111, > https://gather.town/app/L4fNNdm1NJa1sE2v/ietf >=20 > When you enter Gather, you should see a banner for IETF 111. The = Hackathon room is through a doorway on right hand side. > If you find yourself in a different/older version of the IETF Gather = space, you may need to clear your browser cache and enter the Gather = space again. That resolved the issue for me. >=20 > Cheers, > Charles > _______________________________________________ > hackathon mailing list > hackathon@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hackathon > Unsubscribe: mailto:hackathon-request@ietf.org?subject=3Dunsubscribe >=20 --Apple-Mail=_553FF251-5CB0-4C24-93D7-B22C5B1726AC Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_01E536E2-4028-4C94-9C39-BBCD4DE01E31" --Apple-Mail=_01E536E2-4028-4C94-9C39-BBCD4DE01E31 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Alternatively, you can choose to respawn and that will put = you into the lobby again (see screen shot). 

On Jul = 19, 2021, at 12:42 PM, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) <eckelcu=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

The = Gather space has been updated for IETF 111,
https://gather.town/app/L4fNNdm1NJa1sE2v/ietf

When you enter Gather, you should see a banner = for IETF 111. The Hackathon room is through a doorway on right hand = side.
If you find yourself in a different/older version of = the IETF Gather space, you may need to clear your browser cache and = enter the Gather space again. That resolved the issue for me.

Cheers,
Charles
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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 21:00:58 -0000 Hi, So here is the implementation ... $ apt-get install yangcli $ yangcli --server=lightside-instruments.com --ncport=10830 --user=user --password=ietf111 --display-mode=xml --run-command="xget /geo-location" --batch-mode ...             59.9145666710000000       10.7492606760000000       The implementation https://github.com/vlvassilev/yuma123/tree/master/example-modules/geo-location The target system is this https://www.hackster.io/lightside-instruments/network-programmability-kit-for-ultra96-07435c hosted at Bitraf - makerspace in Oslo. /Vladimir On 20/05/2021 11.33, Vladimir Vassilev wrote: > > On 20/05/2021 10.43, Christian Hopps wrote: >> >> Murray Kucherawy via Datatracker writes: >>> >>> I support Lars' and Francesca's DISCUSS positions. >>> >>> The shepherd writeup says: "There are no known implementations known >>> to the >>> Shepherd.  No vendors have indicated their plan to implement the >>> specification. >>>  It was originally forwarded to support DT's Terra Stream project."  >>> I'm >>> tempted to ask why this is slotted for Standards Track publication. >> >> It's a grouping, it's meant to be incorporated into other YANG >> modules rather than have each module come up with their own version >> of a geo-location object. >> >> So, it's wont be "implemented" directly by any vendor until it is >> published and can start to be used in other module definitions. There >> definitely is interest in this use in the netmod WG. >> > Hi, > > I intend to use the grouping in our implementation. We can do that at > the upcoming Hackathon event and validate the module with some running > code. > > /Vladimir > From nobody Fri Jul 23 15:06:53 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hackathon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7D93A1E2D for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 15:06:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.052 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.052 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1ltRj7rBdqMT for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 15:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oo1-xc31.google.com (mail-oo1-xc31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF10F3A1E27 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 15:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oo1-xc31.google.com with SMTP id w24-20020a4ac1980000b0290251d599f19bso724515oop.8 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 15:06:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=xMh8GHwRbnsm+IuQqLeJ+roRULS9ZrOETL5C/BG8Ubo=; b=UdWrk2GcQbA4yexyhhXJeKCMpAr4JKZLdThc+fwgBGLGEN7ODDCJLz6czXJIJXe75A mijSsNA6b6hnyo0Ang7gZPCWfrDYHyL00pAU/SH4gVtn0TNvuH9fgUMnu0DC9g9os93e ZAi2569ZfVFgDRbMFLH858tIyBydey2sSeh5GQxqV9Zg69j0ueMBRCnkRmDeQKTs5xwc t5yXftG+YSXTftBSijje5FgGmhj2ej54SMjAtU5wYgMnpPxJd6Hkcgr1agvUbtln76Gd ZY2J0d7KicTqOwlagPJtvYz0Ui8EnFlSUG8Y64XiSjMy+9zBppbfaQBEd0MuXRJwgrts bv+A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=xMh8GHwRbnsm+IuQqLeJ+roRULS9ZrOETL5C/BG8Ubo=; b=JzYmYvoOymsOmIQPp8l4BJcmLZqEdlU7jN4/LkK8BiNaxHamfFGlWLRSESPtIRzlTs BtCHuX2I79F7bldRPCYpI3l6tINaiHZAGzPu6w3kRI0Rdum2hSkeNxiIMrLhKR3RFRs1 qG68N1HboavFhOUhToaUZhtjuPpEiQ//hTDPLdgI7+tIQewo6zQazO8NZ+21+Hz/djqi bDSVudawXpcG8bGIcMKX5IYe24yxMDxPgGtK1ymOWZLhYYVyDhRXN8UOvtPLXUEcR53b zJs52V24WlHa4IEGlLfUBAAv+WE9J3/e+yca4qzynQ9hzMo+JXocNRHliDe/NE6ZZtGn JpzA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5331XnTkLQjQN7AwAapLNgmSOhUsLuNLHiGGHdM2cl71hiEyO10f s67dzdp67i/s2WepzwoizIwuwIFK2DNrME37PFoWx0qKlEI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzP1c5wpf48GwkFK272m/yS/+HNDYtCOQNikbCGJdyFRdtY/eSWqjWqqUVx6CBseJvuG/+mfk4SAwcHpXA5/xM= X-Received: by 2002:a4a:e206:: with SMTP id b6mr4004775oot.16.1627078003915; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 15:06:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Crismon Azodnem Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 06:06:32 +0800 Message-ID: To: hackathon@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000071fefc05c7d19e7c" Archived-At: Subject: [hackathon] (no subject) X-BeenThere: hackathon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion regarding past, present, and future IETF hackathons." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 23:30:45 -0000 Congratulations and thank you to everyone who contributed to another succes= sful IETF Hackathon. You are of course welcome and encouraged to continue to work on your projec= ts; however, the Hackathon officially ended last Friday with the Hackathon = Closing session. We had a number of great projects accompanied by excellent summary presenta= tions. For those of you who missed it or simply want to see all of part of = it again, the recording is available here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dfspjk0SHvBc&list=3DPLC86T-6ZTP5ik187oPfRr= OUaMw1AuLLi6&index=3D5 Thanks to Barry for doing a great job hosting the Opening and Closing sessi= ons of the Hackathon, and thanks to ICANN for continued sponsorship and sup= port of the Hackathon.=20 I will put together a brief summary of the Hackathon to post on the IETF bl= og. If you would like to share some brief thoughts on your project or on th= e Hackathon in general, please send them to me by Thursday.=20 Good luck with the rest of IETF 111! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 01:40:42 -0000 --000000000000ba19cb05c810f46f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Charles and Barry, I sincerely appreciate your service in IETF Hackathon. My SKKU team enjoyed this IETF-111 hackathon. :-) I have also checked the Youtube video clip for this hackathon. It is really cool! Thanks. Best Regards, Paul On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 8:31 AM Charles Eckel (eckelcu) wrote: > Congratulations and thank you to everyone who contributed to another > successful IETF Hackathon. > You are of course welcome and encouraged to continue to work on your > projects; however, the Hackathon officially ended last Friday with the > Hackathon Closing session. > > We had a number of great projects accompanied by excellent summary > presentations. For those of you who missed it or simply want to see all of > part of it again, the recording is available here, > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fspjk0SHvBc&list=PLC86T-6ZTP5ik187oPfRrOUaMw1AuLLi6&index=5 > > Thanks to Barry for doing a great job hosting the Opening and Closing > sessions of the Hackathon, and thanks to ICANN for continued sponsorship > and support of the Hackathon. > > I will put together a brief summary of the Hackathon to post on the IETF > blog. If you would like to share some brief thoughts on your project or on > the Hackathon in general, please send them to me by Thursday. > > Good luck with the rest of IETF 111! > > Cheers, > Charles > > > > _______________________________________________ > hackathon mailing list > hackathon@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hackathon > Unsubscribe: mailto:hackathon-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe > > > > --000000000000ba19cb05c810f46f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Charles and Barry,
I sincerely app= reciate your service in IETF Hackathon.

My SKKU te= am enjoyed this IETF-111 hackathon. :-)

I have als= o checked the Youtube video clip for this hackathon.
It is really= cool!

Thanks.

Best Regar= ds,
Paul


On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 8:31 AM Char= les Eckel (eckelcu) <eckelcu=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
Congratulations and thank you to everyone = who contributed to another successful IETF Hackathon.
You are of course welcome and encouraged to continue to work on your projec= ts; however, the Hackathon officially ended last Friday with the Hackathon = Closing session.

We had a number of great projects accompanied by excellent summary presenta= tions. For those of you who missed it or simply want to see all of part of = it again, the recording is available here,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dfspjk0SHvBc&list=3DPLC86T-6ZTP5i= k187oPfRrOUaMw1AuLLi6&index=3D5

Thanks to Barry for doing a great job hosting the Opening and Closing sessi= ons of the Hackathon, and thanks to ICANN for continued sponsorship and sup= port of the Hackathon.

I will put together a brief summary of the Hackathon to post on the IETF bl= og. If you would like to share some brief thoughts on your project or on th= e Hackathon in general, please send them to me by Thursday.

Good luck with the rest of IETF 111!

Cheers,
Charles



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