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Miika Komu wrote:

Hi,

> Miika Komu wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> a new preversion is here:
> 
> http://www.iki.fi/miika/docs/draft-ietf-hip-native-api-09-pre2.txt
> 
> it includes the future proofing changes in the sockaddr_hip structure in 
> section 4.1. I also wrote the ship_len explicitly to the structure since 
> we were discussing on size issues.

sorry for the delay, we have been discussing this offline with Jeff, 
Stefan, Andrew and Thomas. IMHO, I think the extension fields to the 
existing sockaddr_hip structure do not bring much easier upgrade 
benefits when you think about how they would be used in practice. So, I 
think sockaddr_hip2 structure and a new flag for getaddrinfo() seems 
like a better future proofing approach. Below is my attempt to recap the 
discussion.

I am going to remove the extra fields unless anyone finds a convincing 
story why having some extra fields in the structure is beneficial for 
future proofing of HITs. I'd like to post a new final version by the end 
of this week.

<snip>
Miika: seems to me that sockaddr_hip with some extra fields gives the 
following advantages:

* always fixed memory size due to maximum size (struct sockaddr_hip
my_hip; works)
* somewhat easier upgrade of the software to use longer HITs
* < more here? >

At the same time it is somewhat disappointing in the following things:

* transparent migration from shorter to longer HITs
* interoperability (memcmp etc) between shorter and longer HITs
* logging and storing in ACLs

There's also some uncertainty factors that need to be considered:

* do we really need longer HITs in the future (elliptic curves)
* getaddrinfo() is already becoming antique

So, is extending the existing sockaddr_hip structure worth the extra
complexity? Or should we just suggest sockaddr_hip2 structure and an
extra flag for the resolver as the future proofing approach?

</snip>

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Miika Komu wrote:

Hi,

a new preversion:

http://www.iki.fi/miika/docs/draft-ietf-hip-native-api-09-pre3.txt

Changes:

* changed future proofing approach 4.1 and 7 as discussed below
* hip_is_hit() operates now on hip_hit_t rather than sockaddr_hip based 
on the changes on future proofing approach

Question:

Should the wildcards be allocated by IANA?

Comments are welcome, thanks!

> Miika Komu wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> Miika Komu wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> a new preversion is here:
>>
>> http://www.iki.fi/miika/docs/draft-ietf-hip-native-api-09-pre2.txt
>>
>> it includes the future proofing changes in the sockaddr_hip structure 
>> in section 4.1. I also wrote the ship_len explicitly to the structure 
>> since we were discussing on size issues.
> 
> sorry for the delay, we have been discussing this offline with Jeff, 
> Stefan, Andrew and Thomas. IMHO, I think the extension fields to the 
> existing sockaddr_hip structure do not bring much easier upgrade 
> benefits when you think about how they would be used in practice. So, I 
> think sockaddr_hip2 structure and a new flag for getaddrinfo() seems 
> like a better future proofing approach. Below is my attempt to recap the 
> discussion.
> 
> I am going to remove the extra fields unless anyone finds a convincing 
> story why having some extra fields in the structure is beneficial for 
> future proofing of HITs. I'd like to post a new final version by the end 
> of this week.
> 
> <snip>
> Miika: seems to me that sockaddr_hip with some extra fields gives the 
> following advantages:
> 
> * always fixed memory size due to maximum size (struct sockaddr_hip
> my_hip; works)
> * somewhat easier upgrade of the software to use longer HITs
> * < more here? >
> 
> At the same time it is somewhat disappointing in the following things:
> 
> * transparent migration from shorter to longer HITs
> * interoperability (memcmp etc) between shorter and longer HITs
> * logging and storing in ACLs
> 
> There's also some uncertainty factors that need to be considered:
> 
> * do we really need longer HITs in the future (elliptic curves)
> * getaddrinfo() is already becoming antique
> 
> So, is extending the existing sockaddr_hip structure worth the extra
> complexity? Or should we just suggest sockaddr_hip2 structure and an
> extra flag for the resolver as the future proofing approach?
> 
> </snip>


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Miika Komu wrote:

Hi,

I posted the final 09 version:

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-native-api-09

I'd hope we could put it to the last call.

Thanks for Stefan, Jeff, Thomas and Andrew for their comments on this 
version!

> Miika Komu wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> a new preversion:
> 
> http://www.iki.fi/miika/docs/draft-ietf-hip-native-api-09-pre3.txt
> 
> Changes:
> 
> * changed future proofing approach 4.1 and 7 as discussed below
> * hip_is_hit() operates now on hip_hit_t rather than sockaddr_hip based 
> on the changes on future proofing approach
> 
> Question:
> 
> Should the wildcards be allocated by IANA?
> 
> Comments are welcome, thanks!
> 
>> Miika Komu wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>> Miika Komu wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> a new preversion is here:
>>>
>>> http://www.iki.fi/miika/docs/draft-ietf-hip-native-api-09-pre2.txt
>>>
>>> it includes the future proofing changes in the sockaddr_hip structure 
>>> in section 4.1. I also wrote the ship_len explicitly to the structure 
>>> since we were discussing on size issues.
>>
>> sorry for the delay, we have been discussing this offline with Jeff, 
>> Stefan, Andrew and Thomas. IMHO, I think the extension fields to the 
>> existing sockaddr_hip structure do not bring much easier upgrade 
>> benefits when you think about how they would be used in practice. So, 
>> I think sockaddr_hip2 structure and a new flag for getaddrinfo() seems 
>> like a better future proofing approach. Below is my attempt to recap 
>> the discussion.
>>
>> I am going to remove the extra fields unless anyone finds a convincing 
>> story why having some extra fields in the structure is beneficial for 
>> future proofing of HITs. I'd like to post a new final version by the 
>> end of this week.
>>
>> <snip>
>> Miika: seems to me that sockaddr_hip with some extra fields gives the 
>> following advantages:
>>
>> * always fixed memory size due to maximum size (struct sockaddr_hip
>> my_hip; works)
>> * somewhat easier upgrade of the software to use longer HITs
>> * < more here? >
>>
>> At the same time it is somewhat disappointing in the following things:
>>
>> * transparent migration from shorter to longer HITs
>> * interoperability (memcmp etc) between shorter and longer HITs
>> * logging and storing in ACLs
>>
>> There's also some uncertainty factors that need to be considered:
>>
>> * do we really need longer HITs in the future (elliptic curves)
>> * getaddrinfo() is already becoming antique
>>
>> So, is extending the existing sockaddr_hip structure worth the extra
>> complexity? Or should we just suggest sockaddr_hip2 structure and an
>> extra flag for the resolver as the future proofing approach?
>>
>> </snip>
> 
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Miika Komu wrote:

Hi,

> Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> Compressing Transport checksums
>>    New HIP option?
> 
> can you elaborate on this?

if this comment was about RoHC, Michael Richardson already mentioned on 
RG mailing list that BEET is better than it.

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Hi,

I am already discussing with our AD and the IAB about this rechartering. 
As soon as we get their feedback, we will put together the new charter.

Cheers,

Gonzalo

Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> As our chair pointed out, we DO have to get recharted by the IESG to 
> actually get the agreement by the IESG that we are moving HIP from 
> experimental to standards track.
> 
> Anyone want to take a crack at the charter text? I hope our two chairs 
> will agree to stay on for this next step.
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Folks,

after discussing with our AD, we need to provide him with a proposal for 
a new charter for the WG. The proposal needs to contain details on the 
RFCs to be revised, the process we intend to follow to revise them, and 
the timeline we are looking at.

In particular, we need to provide an answer to the following question: 
what will be the process for analyzing the results of the HIP 
experiment, identifying changes to the HIP protocols suggested by that 
analysis and incorporating those changes into the revised protocol 
documents?

Thanks,

Gonzalo
HIP WG co-chair

From miika.komu@hiit.fi  Tue Sep 22 07:16:12 2009
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Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:

Hi,

> Folks,
> 
> after discussing with our AD, we need to provide him with a proposal for 
> a new charter for the WG. The proposal needs to contain details on the 
> RFCs to be revised, the process we intend to follow to revise them, and 
> the timeline we are looking at.

An issue tracker would be a useful tool to organizing the details. I 
believe Petri was looking into one?)

> In particular, we need to provide an answer to the following question: 
> what will be the process for analyzing the results of the HIP 
> experiment, identifying changes to the HIP protocols suggested by that 
> analysis and incorporating those changes into the revised protocol 
> documents?

Should we actually form a team of commited volunteers for the analysis?

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Hi,

> Should we actually form a team of commited volunteers for the analysis?

if you want to work directly on the mailing, that would work. If you 
want to form a design team and then send your input to the list for the 
rest of the WG to look at it, that would work as well. Whatever is 
easier for those who want to be involved in this effort.

Cheers,

Gonzalo

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FYI,

we recently published a paper on IPv4-IPv6 handovers based on HIP:

S. Varjonen, M. Komu, A. Gurtov, Secure and Efficient IPv4/IPv6 
Handovers Using Host-Based Identifier-Locator Split, in Proc. of The 
17th International Conference on Software, Telecommunications and 
Computer Networks (SoftCOM 2009), 2009.