From internet-drafts@ietf.org Sat Jul 9 08:21:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB4D621F881C; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 08:21:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.212 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.212 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.388, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fSMP29PScU-P; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 08:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412E121F87FF; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 08:21:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.55 Message-ID: <20110709152108.20918.37003.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 08:21:08 -0700 Cc: hipsec@ietf.org Subject: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-rfc5201-bis-06.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 15:21:08 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol Working Group = of the IETF. Title : Host Identity Protocol Version 2 (HIPv2) Author(s) : Robert Moskowitz Tobias Heer Petri Jokela Thomas R. Henderson Filename : draft-ietf-hip-rfc5201-bis-06.txt Pages : 123 Date : 2011-07-09 This document specifies the details of the Host Identity Protocol (HIP). HIP allows consenting hosts to securely establish and maintain shared IP-layer state, allowing separation of the identifier and locator roles of IP addresses, thereby enabling continuity of communications across IP address changes. HIP is based on a SIGMA- compliant Diffie-Hellman key exchange, using public key identifiers from a new Host Identity namespace for mutual peer authentication. The protocol is designed to be resistant to denial-of-service (DoS) and man-in-the-middle (MitM) attacks. When used together with another suitable security protocol, such as the Encapsulated Security Payload (ESP), it provides integrity protection and optional encryption for upper-layer protocols, such as TCP and UDP. This document obsoletes RFC 5201 and addresses the concerns raised by the IESG, particularly that of crypto agility. It also incorporates lessons learned from the implementations of RFC 5201. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5201-bis-06.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5201-bis-06.txt From heer@informatik.rwth-aachen.de Sat Jul 9 08:23:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1086721F87D5 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 08:23:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_DE=1.448, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ksa0hLBjdXMC for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 08:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta-1.ms.rz.rwth-aachen.de (mta-1.ms.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.7.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B2021F87E2 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 08:23:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received: from ironport-out-1.rz.rwth-aachen.de ([134.130.5.40]) by mta-1.ms.rz.RWTH-Aachen.de (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008)) with ESMTP id <0LO200B8WO3UNM80@mta-1.ms.rz.RWTH-Aachen.de> for hipsec@ietf.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 17:23:54 +0200 (CEST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,504,1304287200"; d="scan'208";a="123969219" Received: from relay-auth-1.ms.rz.rwth-aachen.de (HELO relay-auth-1) ([134.130.7.78]) by ironport-in-1.rz.rwth-aachen.de with ESMTP; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 17:23:55 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.104] ([unknown] [87.180.83.88]) by relay-auth-1.ms.rz.rwth-aachen.de (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 9 2008)) with ESMTPA id <0LO200K1AO3Q1K10@relay-auth-1.ms.rz.rwth-aachen.de> for hipsec@ietf.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 17:23:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Tobias Heer Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 17:23:51 +0200 References: <20110709152108.20918.37003.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: HIP Message-id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [Hipsec] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-rfc5201-bis-06.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 15:23:57 -0000 Hi everyone, we just pushed a new version of RFC5201-bis. See the changelog below for details. 11.1. Changes from draft-ietf-hip-rfc5201-bis-05 o Changed type number of DH_GROUP_LIST from 2151 to 511 because it was in the number space that is reserved for the HIP transport mode negotiations. o Added transport form type list parameter. Transport forms are now negotiated with this list instead of by their order in the HIP packet. This allows to remove the exception of the transport format parameters that were ordered by their preference instead of by their type number. This should remove complexity from implementations. o Clarify that in HIP signature processing, the restored checksum and length fields have been rendered invalid by the previous steps. o Clarify behavior for when UPDATE does not contain SEQ or ACQ (disallow this). o For namespace changes, changed "IETF Review" to "IETF Review or IESG Approval". o Addressed IESG comment about ignoring packet IP addresses. o Permit using Anonymous HI control in packets other than R1/I2. o Fixed minor reference error (RFC2418, RFC2410). o Deleted comment that NULL-ENCRYPTION SHOULD NOT be configurable via the UI. o Editorial changes. BR, Tobias Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: > Von: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Datum: 9. Juli 2011 17:21:08 MESZ > An: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Kopie: hipsec@ietf.org > Betreff: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-rfc5201-bis-06.txt > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Host Identity Protocol Version 2 (HIPv2) > Author(s) : Robert Moskowitz > Tobias Heer > Petri Jokela > Thomas R. Henderson > Filename : draft-ietf-hip-rfc5201-bis-06.txt > Pages : 123 > Date : 2011-07-09 > > This document specifies the details of the Host Identity Protocol > (HIP). HIP allows consenting hosts to securely establish and > maintain shared IP-layer state, allowing separation of the identifier > and locator roles of IP addresses, thereby enabling continuity of > communications across IP address changes. HIP is based on a SIGMA- > compliant Diffie-Hellman key exchange, using public key identifiers > from a new Host Identity namespace for mutual peer authentication. > The protocol is designed to be resistant to denial-of-service (DoS) > and man-in-the-middle (MitM) attacks. When used together with > another suitable security protocol, such as the Encapsulated Security > Payload (ESP), it provides integrity protection and optional > encryption for upper-layer protocols, such as TCP and UDP. > > This document obsoletes RFC 5201 and addresses the concerns raised by > the IESG, particularly that of crypto agility. It also incorporates > lessons learned from the implementations of RFC 5201. > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5201-bis-06.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5201-bis-06.txt > _______________________________________________ > Hipsec mailing list > Hipsec@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec -- Dipl.-Inform. Tobias Heer, Ph.D. Student Chair of Communication and Distributed Systems - comsys RWTH Aachen University, Germany tel: +49 241 80 207 76 web: http://www.comsys.rwth-aachen.de/team/tobias-heer/ blog: http://dtobi.wordpress.com/ card: http://card.ly/dtobi pgp id: AEECA5BF From hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net Mon Jul 11 05:22:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6521D21F8B08 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 05:22:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.536 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.536 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.063, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id snJLBE52whZ3 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 05:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 45A1C21F8AF2 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 05:22:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 11 Jul 2011 12:22:38 -0000 Received: from letku214.adsl.netsonic.fi (EHLO [10.0.0.6]) [194.29.195.214] by mail.gmx.net (mp036) with SMTP; 11 Jul 2011 14:22:38 +0200 X-Authenticated: #29516787 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+AooR+xaCAakaH4RbgN22n3TEAP5rKy3qSpKpf6B KonLkHW0gEIlME From: Hannes Tschofenig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:22:34 +0300 Message-Id: To: miika@iki.fi, zhangdacheng@huawei.com, hipsec@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: [Hipsec] draft-zhang-hip-privacy-protection-03.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:22:40 -0000 I just saw the submission of draft-zhang-hip-privacy-protection-03.txt = flying by and two questions came to my mind: 1) Did you think about using some of the privacy related terms from=20 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hansen-privacy-terminology-02 Instead of purely talking about privacy, which is a very high level = term, you could instead use, for example, anonymity and unlinkability.=20= 2) Have you had a chance to look at 'Privacy Considerations for Internet = Protocols' document http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-morris-privacy-considerations-03 This document tries to provide you guidance with regard to writing = privacy considerations text for IETF documents and we would appreciate = feedback on how useful the currently provided guidance is.=20 Ciao Hannes= From julien.ietf@gmail.com Mon Jul 11 07:04:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8C321F8BDF for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:04:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZgMJZR36zmPc for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f44.google.com (mail-bw0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ECF021F8BD1 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bwb17 with SMTP id 17so3817461bwb.31 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:04:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=R2VxQdLniJUI1kxFZFIbxgKr9mbS3Vuq4NtV7xy2d6o=; b=xLKVuJQaNIvw3LwUfzP31s+9XgH5/vG5L6bKCJamU6ujipPFpZEw9FYZQD9Lur0z/h 9BKmgCwtk8R0tZjKyiibmu2n3kRHjulk4WfRlGQAygbeV2Nuuybj6pj5E/5/NA0BtyAN NmNO6aouBypEvLTNciMojKpgHmlaZTLReNlxQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.127.156 with SMTP id g28mr2607778bks.114.1310393064937; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.62.77 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 07:04:24 -0700 Message-ID: From: Julien Laganier To: HIP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [Hipsec] ORCHIDv2 X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 14:04:27 -0000 Folks, Unless someone objects I am going to update the ORCHIDv2 draft to reflect what we discussed earlier and is currently described in the HIP base spec, that is, that ORCHIDs now encode a 4 bits index called the Orchid Generation Algorithm -- see below. --julien Appendix E. HIT Suites and HIT Generation The HIT as an ORCHID [I-D.ietf-hip-rfc4843-bis] consists of three parts: A 28-bit prefix, a 4-bit encoding of the ORCHID generation algorithm (OGA) and the representation of the public key. The OGA is an index pointing to the specific algorithm by which the public key and the 96-bit hashed encoding is generated. The OGA is protocol specific and is to be interpreted as defined below for all protocols that use the same context ID as HIP. HIP groups sets of valid combinations of signature and hash algorithms into HIT Suites. These HIT suites are addressed by an index, which is transmitted in the OGA field of the ORCHID. The set of used HIT Suites will be extended to counter the progress in computation capabilities and vulnerabilities in the employed algorithms. The intended use of the HIT Suites is to introduce a new HIT Suite and phase out an old one before it becomes insecure. Since the 4-bit OGA field only permits 15 HIT Suites (the HIT Suite with ID 0 is reserved) to be used in parallel, phased-out HIT Suites must be reused at some point. In such a case, there will be a rollover of the HIT Suite ID and the next newly introduced HIT Suite will start with a lower HIT Suite index than the previously introduced one. The rollover effectively deprecates the reused HIT Suite. For a smooth transition, the HIT Suite should be deprecated a considerable time before the HIT Suite index is reused. Since the number of HIT Suites is tightly limited to 16, the HIT Suites must be assigned carefully. Hence, sets of suitable algorithms are grouped in a HIT Suite. The HIT Suite of the Responder's HIT determines the RHASH and the hash function to be used for the HMAC in HIP control packets as well as the signature algorithm family used for generating the HI. The list of HIT Suites is defined in Table 11. The following HIT Suites are defined for HIT generation. The input for each generation algorithm is the encoding of the HI as defined in Section 3.2. The output is 96 bits long and is directly used in the ORCHID. 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--bcaec517a75ece85fa04a805690c-- From zhangdacheng@huawei.com Fri Jul 15 00:19:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71E721F84EB for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:19:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.057 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.057 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, CN_BODY_35=0.339, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V-O6n2N+f7in for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga03-in.huawei.com (szxga03-in.huawei.com [119.145.14.66]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F314A21F8569 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:19:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga03-in [172.24.2.9]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LOD00DCE5NDAI@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for hipsec@ietf.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:18:49 +0800 (CST) Received: from szxrg02-dlp.huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LOD00BXI5LDOX@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for hipsec@ietf.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:18:49 +0800 (CST) Received: from 172.24.2.119 (EHLO szxeml202-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.24.2.119]) by szxrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.1.9-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id ACG37568; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:18:42 +0800 (CST) Received: from SZXEML405-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.60) by szxeml202-edg.china.huawei.com (172.24.2.42) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:18:29 +0800 Received: from SZXEML528-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.166]) by szxeml405-hub.china.huawei.com ([169.254.211.222]) with mapi id 14.01.0270.001; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:18:37 +0800 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:18:37 +0000 From: "Dacheng Zhang(Dacheng)" In-reply-to: X-Originating-IP: [10.110.98.55] To: Hannes Tschofenig , "miika@iki.fi" , "hipsec@ietf.org" , "Zhangmingui, (Mingui)" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-language: zh-CN Content-transfer-encoding: base64 Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Thread-topic: draft-zhang-hip-privacy-protection-03.txt Thread-index: AQHMP8VHya5r21lMMkiGriN56xlPiZTs/rKg X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected References: Subject: Re: [Hipsec] draft-zhang-hip-privacy-protection-03.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:19:58 -0000 VGhhbmtzIGEgbG90IGZvciB5b3VyIGNvbW1lbnRzLiBJIHdpbGwgaGF2ZSBhIGxvb2sgb2YgdGhl IGRvY3VtZW50IGFuZCBzZWUgaG93IHdlIGNhbiBjb21iaW5lIHRoZSB0ZXJtcyBpbnRvIHRoZSBu ZXh0IHZlcnNpb24uIA0KDQo+PiAtLS0tLdPKvP7Urbz+LS0tLS0NCj4+ILeivP7IyzogSGFubmVz IFRzY2hvZmVuaWcgW21haWx0bzpoYW5uZXMudHNjaG9mZW5pZ0BnbXgubmV0XQ0KPj4gt6LLzcqx vOQ6IDIwMTHE6jfUwjExyNUgMjA6MjMNCj4+IMrVvP7IyzogbWlpa2FAaWtpLmZpOyBEYWNoZW5n IFpoYW5nKERhY2hlbmcpOyBoaXBzZWNAaWV0Zi5vcmcNCj4+ILOty806IEhhbm5lcyBUc2Nob2Zl bmlnDQo+PiDW98ziOiBkcmFmdC16aGFuZy1oaXAtcHJpdmFjeS1wcm90ZWN0aW9uLTAzLnR4dA0K Pj4gDQo+PiBJIGp1c3Qgc2F3IHRoZSBzdWJtaXNzaW9uIG9mIGRyYWZ0LXpoYW5nLWhpcC1wcml2 YWN5LXByb3RlY3Rpb24tMDMudHh0IGZseWluZyBieQ0KPj4gYW5kIHR3byBxdWVzdGlvbnMgY2Ft ZSB0byBteSBtaW5kOg0KPj4gDQo+PiAxKSBEaWQgeW91IHRoaW5rIGFib3V0IHVzaW5nIHNvbWUg b2YgdGhlIHByaXZhY3kgcmVsYXRlZCB0ZXJtcyBmcm9tDQo+PiBodHRwOi8vdG9vbHMuaWV0Zi5v cmcvaHRtbC9kcmFmdC1oYW5zZW4tcHJpdmFjeS10ZXJtaW5vbG9neS0wMg0KPj4gDQo+PiBJbnN0 ZWFkIG9mIHB1cmVseSB0YWxraW5nIGFib3V0IHByaXZhY3ksIHdoaWNoIGlzIGEgdmVyeSBoaWdo IGxldmVsIHRlcm0sIHlvdQ0KPj4gY291bGQgaW5zdGVhZCB1c2UsIGZvciBleGFtcGxlLCBhbm9u eW1pdHkgYW5kIHVubGlua2FiaWxpdHkuDQo+PiANCj4+IDIpIEhhdmUgeW91IGhhZCBhIGNoYW5j ZSB0byBsb29rIGF0ICdQcml2YWN5IENvbnNpZGVyYXRpb25zIGZvciBJbnRlcm5ldA0KPj4gUHJv dG9jb2xzJyBkb2N1bWVudA0KPj4gaHR0cDovL3Rvb2xzLmlldGYub3JnL2h0bWwvZHJhZnQtbW9y cmlzLXByaXZhY3ktY29uc2lkZXJhdGlvbnMtMDMNCj4+IA0KPj4gVGhpcyBkb2N1bWVudCB0cmll cyB0byBwcm92aWRlIHlvdSBndWlkYW5jZSB3aXRoIHJlZ2FyZCB0byB3cml0aW5nIHByaXZhY3kN Cj4+IGNvbnNpZGVyYXRpb25zIHRleHQgZm9yIElFVEYgZG9jdW1lbnRzIGFuZCB3ZSB3b3VsZCBh cHByZWNpYXRlIGZlZWRiYWNrIG9uDQo+PiBob3cgdXNlZnVsIHRoZSBjdXJyZW50bHkgcHJvdmlk ZWQgZ3VpZGFuY2UgaXMuDQo+PiANCj4+IENpYW8NCj4+IEhhbm5lcw0K From mkomu@cs.hut.fi Fri Jul 15 02:45:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E59321F856C for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 02:45:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.81 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.81 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, CN_BODY_35=0.339, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qL080DlWh0cy for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 02:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cs.hut.fi (mail.cs.hut.fi [130.233.192.7]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E468821F842D for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 02:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hutcs.cs.hut.fi ([130.233.192.10] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.hut.fi with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Qhexm-0004wG-Qc; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 12:45:38 +0300 Message-ID: <4E200C42.9030507@cs.hut.fi> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 12:45:38 +0300 From: Miika Komu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110516 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hannes Tschofenig References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "hipsec@ietf.org" , "Zhangmingui, \(Mingui\)" Subject: Re: [Hipsec] draft-zhang-hip-privacy-protection-03.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:45:58 -0000 Hi Hannes, will the documents be adopted by some working group as official WG items? Or individual submissions? Some feedback to the privacy authors: while the list of references seems to be extensive, my eyes failed to catch any references to ISO standards. For example, please take a look at: http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=45123 On 07/15/2011 10:18 AM, Dacheng Zhang(Dacheng) wrote: > Thanks a lot for your comments. I will have a look of the document and see how we can combine the terms into the next version. > >>> -----邮件原件----- >>> 发件人: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net] >>> 发送时间: 2011年7月11日 20:23 >>> 收件人: miika@iki.fi; Dacheng Zhang(Dacheng); hipsec@ietf.org >>> 抄送: Hannes Tschofenig >>> 主题: draft-zhang-hip-privacy-protection-03.txt >>> >>> I just saw the submission of draft-zhang-hip-privacy-protection-03.txt flying by >>> and two questions came to my mind: >>> >>> 1) Did you think about using some of the privacy related terms from >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hansen-privacy-terminology-02 >>> >>> Instead of purely talking about privacy, which is a very high level term, you >>> could instead use, for example, anonymity and unlinkability. >>> >>> 2) Have you had a chance to look at 'Privacy Considerations for Internet >>> Protocols' document >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-morris-privacy-considerations-03 >>> >>> This document tries to provide you guidance with regard to writing privacy >>> considerations text for IETF documents and we would appreciate feedback on >>> how useful the currently provided guidance is. >>> >>> Ciao >>> Hannes > _______________________________________________ > Hipsec mailing list > Hipsec@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net Fri Jul 15 03:47:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6F221F85E9 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 03:47:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.192 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.192 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.382, BAYES_00=-2.599, CN_BODY_35=0.339, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BWkZXU1Tgiay for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 03:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 30DF121F8515 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 03:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Jul 2011 10:47:04 -0000 Received: from letku214.adsl.netsonic.fi (EHLO [10.0.0.6]) [194.29.195.214] by mail.gmx.net (mp067) with SMTP; 15 Jul 2011 12:47:04 +0200 X-Authenticated: #29516787 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19Sg6Ubp2BSe3m346TSlp2tiBcYGfdgDhGRFfTz58 kHqf93j1+XXrKv Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 From: Hannes Tschofenig In-Reply-To: <4E200C42.9030507@cs.hut.fi> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:47:02 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2BA149B9-9D05-47DD-BFAB-072AC7AA7DE7@gmx.net> References: <4E200C42.9030507@cs.hut.fi> To: Miika Komu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: "hipsec@ietf.org" , "Zhangmingui, \(Mingui\)" Subject: Re: [Hipsec] draft-zhang-hip-privacy-protection-03.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:47:10 -0000 Hi Miika,=20 On Jul 15, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Miika Komu wrote: > Hi Hannes, >=20 > will the documents be adopted by some working group as official WG > items? Or individual submissions? These two documents are currently being considered as deliverables of = the IAB privacy program, as such they are targeted to become IAB = documents.=20 >=20 > Some feedback to the privacy authors: while the list of references = seems > to be extensive, my eyes failed to catch any references to ISO > standards. For example, please take a look at: >=20 > http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=3D45123 >=20 The privacy terminology document that pre-dates the ISO work. In fact, = the ISO work had re-used some of the terms and tailored it to their = audience.=20 We are essentially doing the same - we are in the process of tailoring = them to our audience, namely IETF protocol authors. =46rom that point of = view your feedback would be interesting. In writing your document what = terms would have been useful for you?=20 Ciao Hannes > On 07/15/2011 10:18 AM, Dacheng Zhang(Dacheng) wrote: >> Thanks a lot for your comments. I will have a look of the document = and see how we can combine the terms into the next version. >>=20 >>>> -----=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE----- >>>> =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Hannes Tschofenig = [mailto:hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net] >>>> =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2011=C4=EA7=D4=C211=C8=D5 20:23 >>>> =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: miika@iki.fi; Dacheng Zhang(Dacheng); = hipsec@ietf.org >>>> =B3=AD=CB=CD: Hannes Tschofenig >>>> =D6=F7=CC=E2: draft-zhang-hip-privacy-protection-03.txt >>>>=20 >>>> I just saw the submission of = draft-zhang-hip-privacy-protection-03.txt flying by >>>> and two questions came to my mind: >>>>=20 >>>> 1) Did you think about using some of the privacy related terms from >>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hansen-privacy-terminology-02 >>>>=20 >>>> Instead of purely talking about privacy, which is a very high level = term, you >>>> could instead use, for example, anonymity and unlinkability. >>>>=20 >>>> 2) Have you had a chance to look at 'Privacy Considerations for = Internet >>>> Protocols' document >>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-morris-privacy-considerations-03 >>>>=20 >>>> This document tries to provide you guidance with regard to writing = privacy >>>> considerations text for IETF documents and we would appreciate = feedback on >>>> how useful the currently provided guidance is. >>>>=20 >>>> Ciao >>>> Hannes >> _______________________________________________ >> Hipsec mailing list >> Hipsec@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec >=20 From wwwrun@rfc-editor.org Fri Jul 22 09:05:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D184521F8B67; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:05:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.465 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.465 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.212, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HOST_MISMATCH_COM=0.311, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XjyGPipozNNW; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfcpa.amsl.com [64.170.98.47]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6388121F8B66; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 5A1BA98C51D; Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:05:57 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20110722160557.5A1BA98C51D@rfc-editor.org> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hipsec@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [Hipsec] RFC 6317 on Basic Socket Interface Extensions for the Host Identity Protocol (HIP) X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 16:05:57 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6317 Title: Basic Socket Interface Extensions for the Host Identity Protocol (HIP) Author: M. Komu, T. Henderson Status: Experimental Stream: IETF Date: July 2011 Mailbox: miika@iki.fi, thomas.r.henderson@boeing.com Pages: 18 Characters: 43970 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-hip-native-api-12.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6317.txt This document defines extensions to the current sockets API for the Host Identity Protocol (HIP). The extensions focus on the use of public-key-based identifiers discovered via DNS resolution, but also define interfaces for manual bindings between Host Identity Tags (HITs) and locators. With the extensions, the application can also support more relaxed security models where communication can be non-HIP-based, according to local policies. The extensions in this document are experimental and provide basic tools for further experimentation with policies. This document defines an Experimental Protocol for the Internet community. This document is a product of the Host Identity Protocol Working Group of the IETF. EXPERIMENTAL: This memo defines an Experimental Protocol for the Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Discussion and suggestions for improvement are requested. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. To subscribe or unsubscribe, see http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce http://mailman.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-dist For searching the RFC series, see http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfcsearch.html. 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