From lars@netapp.com Wed Jan 8 01:21:31 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3672B1AE0C2 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2014 01:21:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.44 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.44 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hv-VjWKMnTjH for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2014 01:21:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx11.netapp.com (mx11.netapp.com [216.240.18.76]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426511AE091 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2014 01:21:29 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.95,623,1384329600"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="94668981" Received: from vmwexceht05-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.77.35]) by mx11-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 08 Jan 2014 01:21:20 -0800 Received: from SACEXCMBX06-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.9.60]) by vmwexceht05-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.77.35]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Wed, 8 Jan 2014 01:21:20 -0800 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Ari Keranen Thread-Topic: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-03.txt Thread-Index: AQHO/YgZGgxQE79QGE2bUPdcvTMde5p7MQUA Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 09:21:19 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20131211030009.544.78789.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <52B44714.2010903@nomadiclab.com> In-Reply-To: <52B44714.2010903@nomadiclab.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.106.53.51] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B078DFD3-0B65-418A-99DB-CA551921953B"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 02:28:34 -0800 Cc: Julien Laganier , "hipsec@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-03.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 09:21:31 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_B078DFD3-0B65-418A-99DB-CA551921953B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, not having discussed this with Julien, but I would not mind at all if a = new co-author with energy came in and made any changes that need = making... Lars On 2013-12-20, at 14:33, Ari Keranen wrote: > Hi Julien and Lars, >=20 > Glad to see this draft being updated. Now since we have also STD track = CERT draft, would it make sense to implement the changes we discussed = earlier?: = http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/hipsec/current/msg03666.html >=20 > That is still blocking the Native NAT Traversal draft going forward. >=20 >=20 > Cheers, > Ari >=20 > On 12/11/13 5:00 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>=20 >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol Working = Group of the IETF. >>=20 >> Title : Host Identity Protocol (HIP) Registration = Extension >> Author(s) : Julien Laganier >> Lars Eggert >> Filename : draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-03.txt >> Pages : 13 >> Date : 2013-12-10 >>=20 >> Abstract: >> This document specifies a registration mechanism for the Host >> Identity Protocol (HIP) that allows hosts to register with = services, >> such as HIP rendezvous servers or middleboxes. This document >> obsoletes RFC5203. >>=20 >>=20 >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis >>=20 >> There's also a htmlized version available at: >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-03 >>=20 >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-03 >>=20 >>=20 >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >>=20 >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Hipsec mailing list >> Hipsec@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_B078DFD3-0B65-418A-99DB-CA551921953B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCVAwUBUs0YjtZcnpRveo1xAQK/4AP7Bu9p9AFRWGUfF23vtZkDye3Pt7blIFPG 33Old348/nMR37wfKhpMJBh5gTYDOKKf2lQBQqwsKwwAcCQ5rusyEMtQlwqp8WHr ulSFQ0KrqHbSAa6eEY5mNALaVP274aDxUGc92CBXuLYdjfoyiWs57GX/tzPFw5W1 50faxH0ARJA= =cSjP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_B078DFD3-0B65-418A-99DB-CA551921953B-- From internet-drafts@ietf.org Tue Jan 14 20:29:00 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B0D1AE2AD; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:29:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ct9_jzbhfof7; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:28:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE48A1AE18F; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:28:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.90.p2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20140115042858.21478.46450.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:28:58 -0800 Cc: hipsec@ietf.org Subject: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-04.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 04:29:00 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol Working Group of t= he IETF. Title : Host Identity Protocol (HIP) Registration Extensi= on Authors : Julien Laganier Lars Eggert Filename : draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-04.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2014-01-14 Abstract: This document specifies a registration mechanism for the Host Identity Protocol (HIP) that allows hosts to register with services, such as HIP rendezvous servers or middleboxes. This document obsoletes RFC5203. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From julien.ietf@gmail.com Tue Jan 14 20:31:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE151AE26A for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:31:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wgw4Naxwasgy for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:31:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qe0-x22a.google.com (mail-qe0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c02::22a]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FFE11AE192 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:31:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qe0-f42.google.com with SMTP id b4so622836qen.1 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:31:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=XTryAXdliJ2bqj61ygE+9csa3Y0tRqgoKVPl5p4CVk4=; b=cgipVizsibmJITyEYSmTZSDFiHVFkkwrsUFagfDgNlIvDOiowtd123fCcIWJv/4/8l d0/Cbefi7b2YyX52WyrzfaUJJV370933v52X2NSpqaQ7FgD0aW0WNpv8VmwhBNT1ct2g cEYwvca7ukD2ZxbdYERI4zn/NWpkKfkwZFW7mF/1yERVL4XYbu4I8ZRe5ZzB6k6CXGIU qrqvLbt8GNi2o9RJIS2jENp9OLx190SYFr5isbvmUnK3pl8iypJ62CqD27xOeulPbM8m yZqWv23NZfa+KGw7XizBIMr5xllwaErsYLiyNA6f2Cce3WjsLgcUq76aGcAN3t4WBhh3 XCAw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.184.69 with SMTP id cj5mr186326qcb.8.1389760280414; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:31:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.203.8 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:31:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <52B45118.2000906@nomadiclab.com> References: <20131220141339.19006.87446.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <52B45118.2000906@nomadiclab.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:31:20 -0800 Message-ID: From: Julien Laganier To: Ari Keranen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: HIP Subject: Re: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-06.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 04:31:34 -0000 On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Ari Keranen wrote: > Keepalive update. Waiting for rfc5203-bis. > Is this what you were looking for? > On 12/20/13 4:13 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >> >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol Working Group of >> the IETF. >> >> Title : Native NAT Traversal Mode for the Host Identity >> Protocol >> Author(s) : Ari Keranen >> Jan Melen >> Filename : draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-06.txt >> Pages : 14 >> Date : 2013-12-20 >> >> Abstract: >> This document specifies a new Network Address Translator (NAT) >> traversal mode for the Host Identity Protocol (HIP). The new mode is >> based on the Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) methodology >> and UDP encapsulation of data and signaling traffic. The main >> difference from the previously specified modes is the use of HIP >> messages for all NAT traversal procedures. >> >> >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal >> >> There's also a htmlized version available at: >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-06 >> >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-06 >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >> submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hipsec mailing list >> Hipsec@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec >> > > _______________________________________________ > Hipsec mailing list > Hipsec@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From julien.ietf@gmail.com Tue Jan 14 20:35:43 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010911AE1CA for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:35:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cDtvzD2-TAOK for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:35:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qc0-x22f.google.com (mail-qc0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28081AE1BE for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:35:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id x13so546817qcv.6 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:35:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=bbWwzksEOkRhprPogO2P607DhN/+cv098Fhid1EEQd8=; b=tbB88RGmu8Vy23FJ4YndSYwVdp1CmCeklqWZAneY7avtvPpupV2FhaWFGdce03YKHg bAIlNiY/h92dvubWwiF5aMU7yQc/RXOjRGSLQmJ4XyaB0RKHZ+j+iM1/btUoRkxJ/FyN g+yjHpH0KX0cjQWeKDUTjqnJVNfKMXdIeD68+BRJMAGhMebQnfz3eguwYdrMXiN+XHoF mhin69IQxPM0H9Pv4BejPXsy3+pwrLirD6QNMchJqzk9WL+ho4AJLR5NtHoTQ7loUxDA n195KDIToIYMG9LFZvEaBGO1ncWmc7bv2SgZncgdldMHM77fR6/TOoTKY9JRzTTvyJ4/ S5rg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.124.74 with SMTP id t10mr155984qar.40.1389760529256; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:35:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.203.8 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:35:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <52B44714.2010903@nomadiclab.com> References: <20131211030009.544.78789.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <52B44714.2010903@nomadiclab.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:35:29 -0800 Message-ID: From: Julien Laganier To: Ari Keranen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "hipsec@ietf.org" , "Eggert, Lars" Subject: Re: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-03.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 04:35:43 -0000 Hi Ari, Sorry for the late answer. I've implemented the changes we discussed earlier here . Please let me know in case something is missing. --julien On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:33 AM, Ari Keranen wrote: > Hi Julien and Lars, > > Glad to see this draft being updated. Now since we have also STD track CERT > draft, would it make sense to implement the changes we discussed earlier?: > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/hipsec/current/msg03666.html > > That is still blocking the Native NAT Traversal draft going forward. > > > Cheers, > Ari > > > On 12/11/13 5:00 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >> >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol Working Group of >> the IETF. >> >> Title : Host Identity Protocol (HIP) Registration >> Extension >> Author(s) : Julien Laganier >> Lars Eggert >> Filename : draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-03.txt >> Pages : 13 >> Date : 2013-12-10 >> >> Abstract: >> This document specifies a registration mechanism for the Host >> Identity Protocol (HIP) that allows hosts to register with services, >> such as HIP rendezvous servers or middleboxes. This document >> obsoletes RFC5203. >> >> >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis >> >> There's also a htmlized version available at: >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-03 >> >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-03 >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >> submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hipsec mailing list >> Hipsec@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec >> > > _______________________________________________ > Hipsec mailing list > Hipsec@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From internet-drafts@ietf.org Wed Jan 15 19:34:45 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B101AE1CD; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:34:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PEFSymJNnovy; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:34:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974B61AE1B4; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:34:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.90.p2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20140116033443.26207.57441.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:34:43 -0800 Cc: hipsec@ietf.org Subject: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-rfc5205-bis-04.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 03:34:45 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol Working Group of t= he IETF. Title : Host Identity Protocol (HIP) Domain Name System (= DNS) Extension Author : Julien Laganier Filename : draft-ietf-hip-rfc5205-bis-04.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2014-01-15 Abstract: This document specifies a new resource record (RR) for the Domain Name System (DNS), and how to use it with the Host Identity Protocol (HIP). This RR allows a HIP node to store in the DNS its Host Identity (HI, the public component of the node public-private key pair), Host Identity Tag (HIT, a truncated hash of its public key), and the Domain Names of its rendezvous servers (RVSs). This document obsoletes RFC5205. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5205-bis/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5205-bis-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-hip-rfc5205-bis-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From julien.ietf@gmail.com Wed Jan 15 19:37:26 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3581AE1B4 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:37:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XlKB5sK5OSQv for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:37:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qa0-x234.google.com (mail-qa0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::234]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8CC1AE1C9 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:37:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id j15so1701152qaq.39 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:37:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Dqm3yoge53VvjsBF1VEcYdvvBqUBHKu8UdHdHJUSsPo=; b=ecRRSDwHX10QpHxrCO+3y+TolaLOg0hO2Z+JPwuvjvUp2dx/2clsyryzQXXe2lahMr uZhmMN3SjxXUKbNToyPUukVUh/7gBKCuELE7Lq8v05ETCN4/G4TlLER/YqctwWCRwXhL Bwd7Ui/f2K97V6t5cX+QWjGer8E7Esm4Ujj3pq87g1Tfr2mwkvT7povakKXlc5BYgaxh ks5tNHvXfwsTkJIGucpL8hhnSYfsdKYYzSWJaUYQKSR2JYEziMfCUCXRF3EfzeIGWgnH duV/ohJjuxJxgN4hvbSlQie32FwxDaY3awKSKbF+uWZK+7qgWWlwer1s/8B5pADwUg+C KFHw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.96.202 with SMTP id k68mr4047589qge.84.1389843432426; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:37:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.203.8 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:37:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20140116033443.26207.57441.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20140116033443.26207.57441.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:37:12 -0800 Message-ID: From: Julien Laganier To: HIP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-rfc5205-bis-04.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 03:37:26 -0000 I've extended the HIP DNS RR to support the Elliptic Curve Digital Signature Algorithm to match HIPv2 capabilities for Host Identity. --julien On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 7:34 PM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Host Identity Protocol (HIP) Domain Name System (DNS) Extension > Author : Julien Laganier > Filename : draft-ietf-hip-rfc5205-bis-04.txt > Pages : 16 > Date : 2014-01-15 > > Abstract: > This document specifies a new resource record (RR) for the Domain > Name System (DNS), and how to use it with the Host Identity Protocol > (HIP). This RR allows a HIP node to store in the DNS its Host > Identity (HI, the public component of the node public-private key > pair), Host Identity Tag (HIT, a truncated hash of its public key), > and the Domain Names of its rendezvous servers (RVSs). This document > obsoletes RFC5205. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5205-bis/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5205-bis-04 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-hip-rfc5205-bis-04 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Hipsec mailing list > Hipsec@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From ari.keranen@nomadiclab.com Thu Jan 16 08:20:39 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7FC51AE394 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:20:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P5_oRRbWx9Iu for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:20:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.nomadiclab.com (gw.nomadiclab.com [193.234.218.122]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C9C1AE37E for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:20:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw.nomadiclab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F2C4E70F; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 18:20:24 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at nomadiclab.com Received: from gw.nomadiclab.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inside.nomadiclab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 98gNtnTHFZyX; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 18:20:21 +0200 (EET) Received: from tri60.nomadiclab.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by gw.nomadiclab.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E418F4E70D; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 18:20:21 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <52D806C5.1050606@nomadiclab.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 18:20:21 +0200 From: Ari Keranen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julien Laganier References: <20131211030009.544.78789.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <52B44714.2010903@nomadiclab.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "hipsec@ietf.org" , "Eggert, Lars" Subject: Re: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-03.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 16:20:40 -0000 Hi Julien, Thanks, that looks good to me. Although reading the draft again, I was wondering is it missing some text regarding the "Insufficient resources" error? Cheers, Ari On 1/15/14 6:35 AM, Julien Laganier wrote: > Hi Ari, > > Sorry for the late answer. I've implemented the changes we discussed > earlier here > . > > Please let me know in case something is missing. > > --julien > > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:33 AM, Ari Keranen wrote: >> Hi Julien and Lars, >> >> Glad to see this draft being updated. Now since we have also STD track CERT >> draft, would it make sense to implement the changes we discussed earlier?: >> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/hipsec/current/msg03666.html >> >> That is still blocking the Native NAT Traversal draft going forward. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Ari >> >> >> On 12/11/13 5:00 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>> >>> >>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >>> directories. >>> This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol Working Group of >>> the IETF. >>> >>> Title : Host Identity Protocol (HIP) Registration >>> Extension >>> Author(s) : Julien Laganier >>> Lars Eggert >>> Filename : draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-03.txt >>> Pages : 13 >>> Date : 2013-12-10 >>> >>> Abstract: >>> This document specifies a registration mechanism for the Host >>> Identity Protocol (HIP) that allows hosts to register with services, >>> such as HIP rendezvous servers or middleboxes. This document >>> obsoletes RFC5203. >>> >>> >>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis >>> >>> There's also a htmlized version available at: >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-03 >>> >>> A diff from the previous version is available at: >>> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-03 >>> >>> >>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >>> submission >>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >>> >>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hipsec mailing list >>> Hipsec@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hipsec mailing list >> Hipsec@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From julien.ietf@gmail.com Thu Jan 16 19:50:20 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1AAC1ADF0E for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 19:50:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K4TvzG12hqVT for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 19:50:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qe0-x229.google.com (mail-qe0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c02::229]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A88B1ADF10 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 19:50:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qe0-f41.google.com with SMTP id gc15so152905qeb.28 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 19:50:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=YGpW+zD8d0BsrimHGVgKh0VjrWJM0v+V5vZZlQpm8/A=; b=tq6OElagdlAMst/Uh+VgjxYnbsRXFBYkv9kGrOWwfJIZXxud3p6mg8ytaHFRiKs739 x4PTfmW9uXuE9NInY4U+vnJmhspxiKN1iD2YCm6FAo4hNAYZNoWsT3BCOl3OL624nU/0 EK/rTwH9G9ys7QjCvoEI1taKdIfJr0anpDEx0qXGfhlVy5WqItIr33EepKQS3IpikhFk vAtusDRT8hg7kAS04lD9HIXi/84NSr4l2KLHe8wG2dgvjazR0E2pAn4l2a7jia4raS+c 0E+svwwrVbVbGjPSlMWqaG+G4oG4ZlPo7jgzZThhdvKpHcRy+kqbACnfiYEVgGMe69rv hlYw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.124.74 with SMTP id t10mr22266720qar.40.1389930605667; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 19:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.203.8 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 19:50:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <52D806C5.1050606@nomadiclab.com> References: <20131211030009.544.78789.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <52B44714.2010903@nomadiclab.com> <52D806C5.1050606@nomadiclab.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 19:50:05 -0800 Message-ID: From: Julien Laganier To: Ari Keranen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "hipsec@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-03.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 03:50:20 -0000 Hi Ari, On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Ari Keranen wrote: > Hi Julien, > > Thanks, that looks good to me. Although reading the draft again, I was > wondering is it missing some text regarding the "Insufficient resources" > error? Hmm... a registration failing because of "insufficient resources" is quite explicit; it conveys enough information for a requester to know that there are no resources to create a registration at a given registrar. Presumably a requester would try to register at a different registrar if it knows one... What else would the requester need to know? --julien From wwwrun@rfc-editor.org Thu Jan 16 22:05:26 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C611ADF89; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 22:05:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.44 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.44 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LhXKBMf6fMMH; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 22:05:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2607:f170:8000:1500::d3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DDA71ADF83; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 22:05:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 2D1DB7FC3A7; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 22:05:12 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20140117060512.2D1DB7FC3A7@rfc-editor.org> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 22:05:12 -0800 (PST) Cc: drafts-update-ref@iana.org, hipsec@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [Hipsec] RFC 7086 on Host Identity Protocol-Based Overlay Networking Environment (HIP BONE) Instance Specification for REsource LOcation And Discovery (RELOAD) X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 06:05:27 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 7086 Title: Host Identity Protocol-Based Overlay Networking Environment (HIP BONE) Instance Specification for REsource LOcation And Discovery (RELOAD) Author: A. Keranen, G. Camarillo, J. Maenpaa Status: Experimental Stream: IETF Date: January 2014 Mailbox: Ari.Keranen@ericsson.com, Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com, Jouni.Maenpaa@ericsson.com Pages: 10 Characters: 21406 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-hip-reload-instance-10.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7086.txt This document is the HIP-Based Overlay Networking Environment (HIP BONE) instance specification for the REsource LOcation And Discovery (RELOAD) protocol. The document provides the details needed to build a RELOAD-based overlay that uses HIP. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From ari.keranen@nomadiclab.com Fri Jan 17 06:43:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9FE71AE0E0 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 06:43:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c57nv7mNqjpk for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 06:43:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.nomadiclab.com (gw.nomadiclab.com [193.234.218.122]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A70E31AD8F0 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 06:43:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw.nomadiclab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F6474E702; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 16:42:59 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at nomadiclab.com Received: from gw.nomadiclab.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inside.nomadiclab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PGnokWf30Tt1; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 16:42:58 +0200 (EET) Received: from tri60.nomadiclab.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by gw.nomadiclab.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 18B9E4E700; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 16:42:58 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <52D94171.3010601@nomadiclab.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 16:42:57 +0200 From: Ari Keranen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julien Laganier References: <20131211030009.544.78789.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <52B44714.2010903@nomadiclab.com> <52D806C5.1050606@nomadiclab.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "hipsec@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-03.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 14:43:16 -0000 Hi Julien, On 1/17/14 5:50 AM, Julien Laganier wrote: > Hi Ari, > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Ari Keranen wrote: >> Hi Julien, >> >> Thanks, that looks good to me. Although reading the draft again, I was >> wondering is it missing some text regarding the "Insufficient resources" >> error? > > Hmm... a registration failing because of "insufficient resources" is > quite explicit; it conveys enough information for a requester to know > that there are no resources to create a registration at a given > registrar. Presumably a requester would try to register at a different > registrar if it knows one... > > What else would the requester need to know? I mean that it looks a bit strange that there's only an error code defined but no text at all when to use it (even if the name of the code kinda gives it away). I would recommend to add a sentence or two about when/how to use it. I spotted one (copy-paste) error in the draft, section 3.3: If the registrar knows the Host Identities (HIs) of all the hosts that are allowed to use the relaying service, it SHOULD reject registrations from unknown hosts. However, since it may be unfeasible to pre-configure the relay with all the HIs, the relay SHOULD also support HIP certificates [I-D.ietf-hip-rfc6253-bis] to allow for certificate based authentication. This should no longer be "relaying service" and "relay" (2 instances here) but in general the service for which one is registering for. In the figures, at the end of the section, I was wondering why S3 is not announced by the registrar? Also the text is a bit unclear; almost as if RQ would try to register for S1 and S2 even if the figure shows only S1. In section "4.5. REG_FAILED", it says "Failure types other than zero (0) and one (1) have not been defined." This is obviously not true anymore. Perhaps here would be a good place for some text on the insufficient resources error code. And by the way, I guess you can have more than one REG_FAILEDs if there was more than one failure type? The text seems to now imply only single REG_FAILED. Section 6 says: Registrars act on a voluntary basis and are willing to accept being a responder and then to create HIP associations with a number of previously unknown hosts. Now with the HI/cert authentication this has actually improved (you only potentially do things with previously unknown hosts). Otherwise I think the draft is in good shape and could move forward. Cheers, Ari