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Hi Julien,

when do you think you will get around to revising the draft per Tom's
comments? As you know, the plan is to request the publication of the
drafts in the next batch together.

Cheers,

Gonzalo

On 06/05/2015 2:02 AM, Julien Laganier wrote:
> Thanks for the review Tom, we will address your WGLC comments ASAP.
> 
> --julien
> 
> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo
> <Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for this review as well, Tom.
>>
>> Julien, Lars, could you please address Tom's comments in a new revision
>> of the draft?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gonzalo
>>
>> On 05/05/2015 2:02 AM, Tom Henderson wrote:
>>> On 04/17/2015 03:47 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to start a WGLC on the following draft. This WGLC will end
>>>> on May 4th:
>>>>
>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5204-bis/
>>>>
>>>> Please, send your comments to this list.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Gonzalo
>>>>
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>>>
>>> Here are a few questions/comments on this draft.
>>>
>>> Technical
>>> ---------
>>> Section 4.3.3 (including VIA_RVS) seems to conflict with 4.2.3 (VIA_RVS
>>> parameter definition).  Section 4.3.3 states that VIA_RVS is mandatory
>>> if the I1 arrived via a RVS, but 4.2.3 says that the responder MAY
>>> choose to send it for debugging purposes.
>>>
>>> Another point regarding Section 4.2.3:  it states that the responder may
>>> include "a subset of the IP addresses of its RVSs in some of the
>>> packets."  What use cases are there for including more than a single RVS
>>> address (the one that was used)?   Would more than one RVS ever need to
>>> be traversed between initiator and responder?  I don't think the draft
>>> supports such security relationships, so perhaps it would be best to
>>> explicitly say it is out of scope.
>>>
>>> Editorial
>>> ----------
>>> Section 6 (IANA) needs to be updated to request the new action items of
>>> IANA, not the ones previously asked when 5204 was published.
>>> Accordingly, IANA is not assigning new Parameter Types but instead this
>>> draft should request that IANA update the reference for these three
>>> types from 5204 to this document.  The same holds for the Registration
>>> Type value.
>>>
>>> - Tom
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Hi Julien,

same question about this draft. When do you intend to revise it?

Cheers,

Gonzalo

On 06/05/2015 2:09 AM, Julien Laganier wrote:
> Thanks for the review Tom, I will address your WGLC comments ASAP.
> 
> --julien
> 
> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo
> <Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for the review, Tom.
>>
>> Julien, could you please look into Tom's comments and address them in a
>> new revision of the draft?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gonzalo
>>
>> On 04/05/2015 5:23 PM, Tom Henderson wrote:
>>> On 04/17/2015 03:47 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to start a WGLC on the following draft. This WGLC will end
>>>> on May 4th:
>>>>
>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5205-bis/
>>>>
>>>> Please, send your comments to this list.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Gonzalo
>>>
>>> I had a fresh read of this specification and have the following comments.
>>>
>>> (possibly) technical
>>> --------------------
>>>
>>> RFC 7401 specifies ECDSA and ECDSA_LOW as separate algorithm types, but
>>> this document only mentions ECDSA.  For alignment with RFC 7401, I
>>> suggest to replace references to "ECDSA" with "ECDSA and ECDSA_LOW" as
>>> appropriate (it seems to me that they can reuse the same codepoint).
>>>
>>> I could not find discussion about TTL considerations; are there any?  If
>>> there are no special considerations about TTL, caching, and how records
>>> may be updated, perhaps it would be helpful to state this (and possibly
>>> reference the specification that describes how to expire resource records).
>>>
>>> The document doesn't seem to have any discussion of what to do when a
>>> host wants to register more than one host identity.  I suggest something
>>> along the lines of "there may be multiple HIP RRs associated with a
>>> single name.  It is outside the scope of this specification as to how a
>>> host chooses from between multiple RRs when more than one is returned.
>>> The RVS information may be copied and aligned across multiple RRs, or
>>> may be different for each one; a host SHOULD check that the RVS used is
>>> associated with the HI being used, when multiple choices are present."
>>>
>>> editorial
>>> ---------
>>>
>>> IANA considerations could be made more explicit about exactly what we
>>> are requesting IANA to do; e.g., "the reference to the RR type code
>>> should be updated from RFC 5205 to this specification."  and "this
>>> document requests that IANA allocate a new codepoint for 'ECDSA and
>>> ECDSA_LOW' in the existing registry for IPSECKEY RR."
>>>
>>> Suggest to replace "Singly" with "Single" and "degenerated" with
>>> "degenerate".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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I discovered recently that my email this year to the HIPSEC list has not been making it to the list, and I haven't been able to resolve the issue, so I will start to send from a different address.

Below, please find some comments on the RFC5203-bis draft that I sent on May 11.

- Tom

On 04/24/2015 03:09 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to start a WGLC on the following draft. This WGLC will end
> on May 11th:
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis/
>
> Please, send your comments to this list.

Gonzalo and Julien, I had a fresh read of this document and it looks
ready, aside from the following small comments.

- Tom

p.3  s/registration type implicated/registration type requested/

p.4  "A host that is capable and willing to act as a registrar SHOULD
   include a REG_INFO parameter in the R1 packets it sends during all
   base exchanges."  Shouldn't this be constrained to include REG_INFO
only to those hosts to which it wants to offer services (i.e. it may not
offer such services to all peers that it talks to)?

p.4  s/unfeasible/infeasible

p.9  what is the purpose of including minimum and maximum lifetime in
the REG_INFO, when it can be seemingly disregarded by the registrar?

   The requester MUST be prepared to receive any registration lifetime,
   including ones beyond the minimum and maximum lifetime indicated in
   the REG_INFO parameter.  It MUST NOT expect that the returned
   lifetime will be the requested one, even when the requested lifetime
   falls within the announced minimum and maximum.

wouldn't it be easier to just have the requester just submit its
request, and accept whatever the registrar gives it (which it has to do
anyway)?  Else, please clarify what a requester should do with the
min/max provided by the REG_INFO.

p.11 In the IANA section, I think that you want to instead request that
IANA replace references to RFC 5203 to with references to this document,
and to allocate two new Registration Failure Type codes for these new ones:

   [TBD-IANA]      Insufficient resources
   [TBD-IANA]      Invalid certificate



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Hi Tom,

Thank you for the WGLC review. Please see inline the proposed
resolution of your WGLC comments.

--julien

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Tom Henderson <tomhend@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> I discovered recently that my email this year to the HIPSEC list has not been making it to the list, and I haven't been able to resolve the issue, so I will start to send from a different address.
>
> Below, please find some comments on the RFC5203-bis draft that I sent on May 11.
>
> - Tom
>
> On 04/24/2015 03:09 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to start a WGLC on the following draft. This WGLC will end
>> on May 11th:
>>
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis/
>>
>> Please, send your comments to this list.
>
> Gonzalo and Julien, I had a fresh read of this document and it looks
> ready, aside from the following small comments.
>
> - Tom
>
> p.3  s/registration type implicated/registration type requested/

done.

> p.4  "A host that is capable and willing to act as a registrar SHOULD
>    include a REG_INFO parameter in the R1 packets it sends during all
>    base exchanges."  Shouldn't this be constrained to include REG_INFO
> only to those hosts to which it wants to offer services (i.e. it may not
> offer such services to all peers that it talks to)?

Makes sense. I have adjusted the text to read:

        A host that is capable and willing to act as a registrar
vis-a-vis a specific
        requester SHOULD include a REG_INFO parameter in the R1 packets it
        sends during all base exchanges with that requester.

> p.4  s/unfeasible/infeasible

done.

> p.9  what is the purpose of including minimum and maximum lifetime in
> the REG_INFO, when it can be seemingly disregarded by the registrar?
>
>    The requester MUST be prepared to receive any registration lifetime,
>    including ones beyond the minimum and maximum lifetime indicated in
>    the REG_INFO parameter.  It MUST NOT expect that the returned
>    lifetime will be the requested one, even when the requested lifetime
>    falls within the announced minimum and maximum.
>
> wouldn't it be easier to just have the requester just submit its
> request, and accept whatever the registrar gives it (which it has to do
> anyway)?  Else, please clarify what a requester should do with the
> min/max provided by the REG_INFO.

The min/max lifetime in the the REG_INFO are offered by the registrar
to the requester as guidance w.r.t. to the interval of lifetimes that
are currently acceptable to the registrar.

The provision that the requester be prepared to deal with a
registration lifetime that is not within the previously advertized
interval makes the protocol robust against a change of the acceptable
interval between its advertisement in REG_INFO and the registration
being requested and granted in REG_REQ/RESP exchange.

I've added to the REG_INFO parameter description the following
paragraph to clarify what the requester should do with these values.

     The registrar indicates the minimum and maximum registration lifetime
     that it is willing to offer to a requester. A requester SHOULD NOT
     request registration with lifetime greater than the maximum registration
     lifetime or smaller than the minimum registration lifetime.

> p.11 In the IANA section, I think that you want to instead request that
> IANA replace references to RFC 5203 to with references to this document,
> and to allocate two new Registration Failure Type codes for these new ones:
>
>    [TBD-IANA]      Insufficient resources
>    [TBD-IANA]      Invalid certificate

done:

  This document updates the IANA Registry for HIP Parameters Types by
   replacing references to [RFC5203] by references to this document.

   This document also updates the registry for registration failure
   types by making the following failure type definitions and
   reservations:

   Failure Type    Reason
   ------------    --------------------------------------------
   [TBD-IANA]      Insufficient resources
   [TBD-IANA]      Invalid certificate


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Hi Tom,

Thank for the review. Please see inline below the proposed resolution
for your WGLC comments.

--julien

> On 05/05/2015 2:02 AM, Tom Henderson wrote:
>> On 04/17/2015 03:47 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I would like to start a WGLC on the following draft. This WGLC will end
>>> on May 4th:
>>>
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5204-bis/
>>>
>>> Please, send your comments to this list.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gonzalo
>>>
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>>
>> Here are a few questions/comments on this draft.
>>
>> Technical
>> ---------
>> Section 4.3.3 (including VIA_RVS) seems to conflict with 4.2.3 (VIA_RVS
>> parameter definition).  Section 4.3.3 states that VIA_RVS is mandatory
>> if the I1 arrived via a RVS, but 4.2.3 says that the responder MAY
>> choose to send it for debugging purposes.

I have made it mandatory everywhere.

>> Another point regarding Section 4.2.3:  it states that the responder may
>> include "a subset of the IP addresses of its RVSs in some of the
>> packets."  What use cases are there for including more than a single RVS
>> address (the one that was used)?   Would more than one RVS ever need to
>> be traversed between initiator and responder?  I don't think the draft
>> supports such security relationships, so perhaps it would be best to
>> explicitly say it is out of scope.

I've added a disclaimer than including more than one RVS IP address is
out of scope.

The paragraph in 4.2.4 now  reads:

   After the responder receives a relayed I1 packet, it can begin to
   send HIP packets addressed to the initiator's IP address, without
   further assistance from an RVS.  For debugging purposes, it MUST
   append a newly created VIA_RVS parameter at the end of the R1 packet
   that contains the IP address of the RVS that relayed the I1 packet.
   Including more than one IP address in the VIA_RVS parameter is
   outside the scope of this specification.  The main goal of using the
   VIA_RVS parameter is to allow operators to diagnose possible issues
   encountered while establishing a HIP association via an RVS.


>> Editorial
>> ----------
>> Section 6 (IANA) needs to be updated to request the new action items of
>> IANA, not the ones previously asked when 5204 was published.
>> Accordingly, IANA is not assigning new Parameter Types but instead this
>> draft should request that IANA update the reference for these three
>> types from 5204 to this document.  The same holds for the Registration
>> Type value.

done. IANA sec. now reads:

   This document updates the IANA Registry for HIP Parameters Types by
   replacing references to [RFC5204] by references to this document.


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Hi Tom,

Thank you for you review. Please see inline below the proposed
resolution of your WGLC comments.

--julien

> On 04/05/2015 5:23 PM, Tom Henderson wrote:
>> On 04/17/2015 03:47 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I would like to start a WGLC on the following draft. This WGLC will end
>>> on May 4th:
>>>
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5205-bis/
>>>
>>> Please, send your comments to this list.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gonzalo
>>
>> I had a fresh read of this specification and have the following comments.
>>
>> (possibly) technical
>> --------------------
>>
>> RFC 7401 specifies ECDSA and ECDSA_LOW as separate algorithm types, but
>> this document only mentions ECDSA.  For alignment with RFC 7401, I
>> suggest to replace references to "ECDSA" with "ECDSA and ECDSA_LOW" as
>> appropriate (it seems to me that they can reuse the same code point).

The HIP DNS support re-uses the existing DNS KEY RR encoding for
ECDSA, however AFAIK there is no DNS KEY RR encoding for ECDSA_LOW.
Also, since presumably ECDSA_LOW support is present in RFC 7401 for
tightly constrained device,  and given that it isn't immediately clear
whether such tightly constrained device would use the DNS at all to
resolve HIP information of their peer, at this time I'd rather keep
ECDSA_LOW out-of-scope for this specification.

>> I could not find discussion about TTL considerations; are there any?  If
>> there are no special considerations about TTL, caching, and how records
>> may be updated, perhaps it would be helpful to state this (and possibly
>> reference the specification that describes how to expire resource records).

I've clarified the TTL handling of the HIP resource records by adding
the following paragraph to sec 4.2:

   The HIP resource records have a Time To Live (TTL) associated with
   them.  When the number of seconds that passed since the record was
   retrieved exceeds the record's TTL, the record MUST be considered to
   be no longer valid and deleted by the entiry that retrieved it.  If
   access to the record is necessary to initiate communication with the
   entity to which the record corresponds, a new query MUST be be made
   to retrieve a fresh copy of the record.

>> The document doesn't seem to have any discussion of what to do when a
>> host wants to register more than one host identity.  I suggest something
>> along the lines of "there may be multiple HIP RRs associated with a
>> single name.  It is outside the scope of this specification as to how a
>> host chooses from between multiple RRs when more than one is returned.
>> The RVS information may be copied and aligned across multiple RRs, or
>> may be different for each one; a host SHOULD check that the RVS used is
>> associated with the HI being used, when multiple choices are present."

Thanks, I've added the text you proposed to sec. 4.2 but I've used
MUST instead of SHOULD.

>> editorial
>> ---------
>>
>> IANA considerations could be made more explicit about exactly what we
>> are requesting IANA to do; e.g., "the reference to the RR type code
>> should be updated from RFC 5205 to this specification."  and "this
>> document requests that IANA allocate a new codepoint for 'ECDSA and
>> ECDSA_LOW' in the existing registry for IPSECKEY RR."

Done. The IANA considerations has been update and now reads:

9.  IANA Considerations

   IANA is requested to replace references to [RFC5205] by references to
   this document in the the DNS RR type code registry.

   IANA is requested to allocate the following algorithm type in the
   IPSECKEY RR [RFC4025] registry:

      [IANA-TBD] is ECDSA

>> Suggest to replace "Singly" with "Single" and "degenerated" with
>> "degenerate".

done.


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        Title           : Host Identity Protocol (HIP) Registration Extension
        Authors         : Julien Laganier
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	Date            : 2015-06-10

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   This document specifies a registration mechanism for the Host
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   such as HIP rendezvous servers or middleboxes.  This document
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        Title           : Host Identity Protocol (HIP) Rendezvous Extension
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   This document defines a rendezvous extension for the Host Identity
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        Title           : Host Identity Protocol (HIP) Domain Name System (DNS) Extension
        Author          : Julien Laganier
	Filename        : draft-ietf-hip-rfc5205-bis-07.txt
	Pages           : 17
	Date            : 2015-06-10

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Hi Julien, I read through all of your responses to my comments on 5203-bis, 5204-bis, and 5205-bis, and agree with your handling of them.

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Thank you for the quick follow-up, Tom!

Gonzalo, I believe all WGLC comments have been addresses at this point.

--julien

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Tom Henderson <tomhend@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> Hi Julien, I read through all of your responses to my comments on 5203-bis, 5204-bis, and 5205-bis, and agree with your handling of them.
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> Thanks,
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Thanks for revising the drafts, Julien. I will prepare the PROTO
writeups in order to start the "publication request" process for this batch.

Cheers,

Gonzalo

On 11/06/2015 5:25 PM, Julien Laganier wrote:
> Thank you for the quick follow-up, Tom!
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> Gonzalo, I believe all WGLC comments have been addresses at this point.
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> --julien
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> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Tom Henderson <tomhend@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>> Hi Julien, I read through all of your responses to my comments on 5203-bis, 5204-bis, and 5205-bis, and agree with your handling of them.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
>>


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Authors of RFC5203bis and RFC6253bis,

the RFC5203bis document has a Normative reference to RFC6263bis:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-08#section-3.3

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-rfc6253-bis-01

RFC 6253bis is an expired document. First we need to revise it so that
it re-appears in the IETF archives. Additionally, since it is a
normative dependency of RFC5203bis, we should include it in the
publication batch we are currently working on (RFC5203bis, RFC5204bis,
and RFC5205bis).

Authors of RFC6253, could you please provide the WG with am update on
your plans to revise this document?

Authors of RFC5203bis, could you please update the following outdated
reference?

  draft-ietf-hip-rfc5201-bis -> RFC 7401

Thanks,

Gonzalo


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Hi all,

yes, we will update the document as soon as possible.

BR,
Samu Varjonen

On 19/06/15 10:06, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:
> Authors of RFC5203bis and RFC6253bis,
>
> the RFC5203bis document has a Normative reference to RFC6263bis:
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-08#section-3.3
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-rfc6253-bis-01
>
> RFC 6253bis is an expired document. First we need to revise it so that
> it re-appears in the IETF archives. Additionally, since it is a
> normative dependency of RFC5203bis, we should include it in the
> publication batch we are currently working on (RFC5203bis, RFC5204bis,
> and RFC5205bis).
>
> Authors of RFC6253, could you please provide the WG with am update on
> your plans to revise this document?
>
> Authors of RFC5203bis, could you please update the following outdated
> reference?
>
>    draft-ietf-hip-rfc5201-bis -> RFC 7401
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gonzalo
>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Host Identity Protocol Architecture
        Authors         : Robert Moskowitz
                          Miika Komu
	Filename        : draft-ietf-hip-rfc4423-bis-12.txt
	Pages           : 39
	Date            : 2015-06-23

Abstract:
   This memo describes a new namespace, the Host Identity namespace, and
   a new protocol layer, the Host Identity Protocol, between the
   internetworking and transport layers.  Herein are presented the
   basics of the current namespaces, their strengths and weaknesses, and
   how a new namespace will add completeness to them.  The roles of this
   new namespace in the protocols are defined.

   This document obsoletes RFC 4423 and addresses the concerns raised by
   the IESG, particularly that of crypto agility.  It incorporates
   lessons learned from the implementations of RFC 5201 and goes further
   to explain how HIP works as a secure signaling channel.


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FYI,

I just changed the affiliation of me and Robert.

On 06/23/2015 03:36 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
>   This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol Working Group of the IETF.
>
>          Title           : Host Identity Protocol Architecture
>          Authors         : Robert Moskowitz
>                            Miika Komu
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-hip-rfc4423-bis-12.txt
> 	Pages           : 39
> 	Date            : 2015-06-23
>
> Abstract:
>     This memo describes a new namespace, the Host Identity namespace, and
>     a new protocol layer, the Host Identity Protocol, between the
>     internetworking and transport layers.  Herein are presented the
>     basics of the current namespaces, their strengths and weaknesses, and
>     how a new namespace will add completeness to them.  The roles of this
>     new namespace in the protocols are defined.
>
>     This document obsoletes RFC 4423 and addresses the concerns raised by
>     the IESG, particularly that of crypto agility.  It incorporates
>     lessons learned from the implementations of RFC 5201 and goes further
>     to explain how HIP works as a secure signaling channel.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-rfc4423-bis/
>
> There's also a htmlized version available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-rfc4423-bis-12
>
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-hip-rfc4423-bis-12
>
>
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>
> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
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Hey all;

Read through 7401, got to section 4.4.4
=E2=80=8Bpage 36.
There's an error in the transition from I1-SENT to I2-SENT
=E2=80=8B.=E2=80=8B
The draft has it as  recv R2, send I2 and
=E2=80=8Bit =E2=80=8B
should be
=E2=80=8Bprobably be =E2=80=8B
recv R1, send I2
=E2=80=8Bas per Table 3 page 29   "recevie r1, process" trigger.

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Host Identity Protocol Certificates
        Authors         : Tobias Heer
                          Samu Varjonen
	Filename        : draft-ietf-hip-rfc6253-bis-02.txt
	Pages           : 11
	Date            : 2015-06-29

Abstract:
   The Certificate (CERT) parameter is a container for digital
   certificates.  It is used for carrying these certificates in Host
   Identity Protocol (HIP) control packets.  This document specifies the
   certificate parameter and the error signaling in case of a failed
   verification.  Additionally, this document specifies the
   representations of Host Identity Tags in X.509 version 3 (v3) and
   Simple Public Key Infrastructure (SPKI) certificates.

   The concrete use cases of certificates, including how certificates
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   or failed verification, are specific to the scenario in which the
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   parameter.

   This document extends [RFC7401].


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On 06/28/2015 09:51 AM, Darren Lissimore wrote:> Hey all;
> 
> Read through 7401, got to section 4.4.4
> ​page 36.
> There's an error in the transition from I1-SENT to I2-SENT
> ​.​
> The draft has it as  recv R2, send I2 and
> ​it ​
> should be
> ​probably be ​
> recv R1, send I2
> ​as per Table 3 page 29   "recevie r1, process" trigger.
> 
> ​Darren Lissimore

Hi Darren, I agree that is an error; I don't know how it crept in there.

Gonzalo, should we follow an errata process for this?

- Tom

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Yes, please log an erratum.

Thanks,

Gonzalo

On 29/06/2015 11:20 PM, Tom Henderson wrote:
> 
> 
> On 06/28/2015 09:51 AM, Darren Lissimore wrote:> Hey all;
>>
>> Read through 7401, got to section 4.4.4
>> ​page 36.
>> There's an error in the transition from I1-SENT to I2-SENT
>> ​.​
>> The draft has it as  recv R2, send I2 and
>> ​it ​
>> should be
>> ​probably be ​
>> recv R1, send I2
>> ​as per Table 3 page 29   "recevie r1, process" trigger.
>>
>> ​Darren Lissimore
> 
> Hi Darren, I agree that is an error; I don't know how it crept in there.
> 
> Gonzalo, should we follow an errata process for this?
> 
> - Tom
> 
> 
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Hi Samu,

thanks for having revised RFC6253bis:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-rfc6253-bis/

Could you please let us know the current status of the draft now that it
has been revised? That is, what needs to happen next and what is needed
overall before the draft is ready for WGLC.

Cheers,

Gonzalo

On 23/06/2015 11:15 AM, Samu Varjonen wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> yes, we will update the document as soon as possible.
> 
> BR,
> Samu Varjonen
> 
> On 19/06/15 10:06, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:
>> Authors of RFC5203bis and RFC6253bis,
>>
>> the RFC5203bis document has a Normative reference to RFC6263bis:
>>
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-08#section-3.3
>>
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-rfc6253-bis-01
>>
>> RFC 6253bis is an expired document. First we need to revise it so that
>> it re-appears in the IETF archives. Additionally, since it is a
>> normative dependency of RFC5203bis, we should include it in the
>> publication batch we are currently working on (RFC5203bis, RFC5204bis,
>> and RFC5205bis).
>>
>> Authors of RFC6253, could you please provide the WG with am update on
>> your plans to revise this document?
>>
>> Authors of RFC5203bis, could you please update the following outdated
>> reference?
>>
>>    draft-ietf-hip-rfc5201-bis -> RFC 7401
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gonzalo
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Host Identity Protocol (HIP) Registration Extension
        Authors         : Julien Laganier
                          Lars Eggert
	Filename        : draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-09.txt
	Pages           : 14
	Date            : 2015-06-30

Abstract:
   This document specifies a registration mechanism for the Host
   Identity Protocol (HIP) that allows hosts to register with services,
   such as HIP rendezvous servers or middleboxes.  This document
   obsoletes RFC5203.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
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A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-09


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Hi,

to my knowledge rfc6253-bis does not need changes to work with rfc7401. Review 
and comments would still be welcome.

-Samu

On 30/06/15 10:10, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:
> Hi Samu,
>
> thanks for having revised RFC6253bis:
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-rfc6253-bis/
>
> Could you please let us know the current status of the draft now that it
> has been revised? That is, what needs to happen next and what is needed
> overall before the draft is ready for WGLC.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gonzalo
>
> On 23/06/2015 11:15 AM, Samu Varjonen wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> yes, we will update the document as soon as possible.
>>
>> BR,
>> Samu Varjonen
>>
>> On 19/06/15 10:06, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:
>>> Authors of RFC5203bis and RFC6253bis,
>>>
>>> the RFC5203bis document has a Normative reference to RFC6263bis:
>>>
>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-08#section-3.3
>>>
>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-rfc6253-bis-01
>>>
>>> RFC 6253bis is an expired document. First we need to revise it so that
>>> it re-appears in the IETF archives. Additionally, since it is a
>>> normative dependency of RFC5203bis, we should include it in the
>>> publication batch we are currently working on (RFC5203bis, RFC5204bis,
>>> and RFC5205bis).
>>>
>>> Authors of RFC6253, could you please provide the WG with am update on
>>> your plans to revise this document?
>>>
>>> Authors of RFC5203bis, could you please update the following outdated
>>> reference?
>>>
>>>     draft-ietf-hip-rfc5201-bis -> RFC 7401
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gonzalo
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Hipsec mailing list
>>> Hipsec@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hipsec mailing list
>> Hipsec@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec
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Hi Samu,

to be clear, you are saying that the draft is ready for Working Group
Last Call, is that right?

Thanks,

Gonzalo

On 01/07/2015 9:14 AM, Samu Varjonen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> to my knowledge rfc6253-bis does not need changes to work with rfc7401.
> Review and comments would still be welcome.
> 
> -Samu
> 
> On 30/06/15 10:10, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:
>> Hi Samu,
>>
>> thanks for having revised RFC6253bis:
>>
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-rfc6253-bis/
>>
>> Could you please let us know the current status of the draft now that it
>> has been revised? That is, what needs to happen next and what is needed
>> overall before the draft is ready for WGLC.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Gonzalo
>>
>> On 23/06/2015 11:15 AM, Samu Varjonen wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> yes, we will update the document as soon as possible.
>>>
>>> BR,
>>> Samu Varjonen
>>>
>>> On 19/06/15 10:06, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:
>>>> Authors of RFC5203bis and RFC6253bis,
>>>>
>>>> the RFC5203bis document has a Normative reference to RFC6263bis:
>>>>
>>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-rfc5203-bis-08#section-3.3
>>>>
>>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-rfc6253-bis-01
>>>>
>>>> RFC 6253bis is an expired document. First we need to revise it so that
>>>> it re-appears in the IETF archives. Additionally, since it is a
>>>> normative dependency of RFC5203bis, we should include it in the
>>>> publication batch we are currently working on (RFC5203bis, RFC5204bis,
>>>> and RFC5205bis).
>>>>
>>>> Authors of RFC6253, could you please provide the WG with am update on
>>>> your plans to revise this document?
>>>>
>>>> Authors of RFC5203bis, could you please update the following outdated
>>>> reference?
>>>>
>>>>     draft-ietf-hip-rfc5201-bis -> RFC 7401
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Gonzalo
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Hipsec mailing list
>>>> Hipsec@ietf.org
>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Hipsec mailing list
>>> Hipsec@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec
>>>
>>>
> 

