From nobody Thu Oct 3 07:01:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F23C12090D for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 07:01:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dcjQucBfIZnM for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 07:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [23.123.122.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B6A8120912 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 07:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B05C62124 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 10:00:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id uFHajYLR06Zw for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 10:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx140e.htt-consult.com (unknown [192.168.160.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9297F62116 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 10:00:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Moskowitz To: HIP References: Message-ID: <4ff08a0e-4127-f8f6-3b5b-0224d0502c04@htt-consult.com> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 10:00:42 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Hipsec] HIP - TM-RID meeting in Singapore X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2019 14:01:03 -0000 OK, lets get some discussion here... Only 32 people signed up for tm-rid list.  Of course if things work out, the discussion moves here; hopefully that will be a good thing. I have requested a tm-rid BOF; I would appreciate it if I were to get some interest in others here and commitments to attend the BOF. Here is a rough agenda: 5 min Agenda bashing (ya got to bash at the agenda.  Its a tradition). 10 min UAS background (RemoteID, NetworkID, and Command & Control) 10 min UAS/HIP use case 10 min Hierarchical HITs and HIT Registries 5 min New Crypto in HIP (and new ESP Transform: Diet-ESP and Keyak cipher) 10 min RemoteID HIP Authenticated Messages 5 min Hackathon report (If we can get some people working on those messages and C2 protection) 5 min Next steps (updated HIP charter) and Q&A Is that too packed?  Did I leave anything out?  Should I ask for 90min? The IESG will be looking for activity here to gauge the interest/activity. Bob On 9/20/19 4:45 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > Dear HIPsters, > > I am in discussion with Ganzalo and Eric about a HIP session in > Singapore. > > The focus is the new work to support "Trustworthy Multipurpose > RemoteID" with the target user of UAS. > > This week I attended the nuair.org UAS Symposium outside of Syracuse > NY and received considerable support for HITs as RemoteIDs (along with > the other expected formats).  This effort has funding from CLUE (I was > told what that means and what piece of legislation set it up, but...). > > I have the 1st versions of the 1st 3 drafts.  More to follow. > > I would like to see hackathon efforts at Singapore (unfortunately we > cannot fly drones in the hackathon room, perhaps we can get them > suspended from the ceiling).  Also including HIPv2 software interop > testing. > > It is early to actually have an agenda, but the question is: > > When during the week. > How long a session. > > Eric was thinking a short session on Friday. > > I will be there for the whole week, so Friday morning works for me. > Who would also be there.  Who could not. > > A short session at the end of the week SHOULD be ok. > > What about earlier in the week?  Who would attend?  What are conflicts > (SAAG, CFRG)? > > Eric needs to move forward on scheduling deadlines are coming up. > Please chime in. > > Bob > > _______________________________________________ > Hipsec mailing list > Hipsec@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From nobody Thu Oct 3 08:27:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27AA12012A for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 08:26:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NxMVVecs0a-J for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 08:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [23.123.122.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B53D120114 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 08:26:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7233D6211F for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 11:26:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 5oXrLVVe+u+Q for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 11:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx140e.htt-consult.com (unknown [192.168.160.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4581C62116 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 11:26:46 -0400 (EDT) To: HIP From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: <4beb1e52-4eec-1187-08f7-66bc4d1a04ae@htt-consult.com> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 11:26:40 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------004801B44291B025A9C4B312" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Hipsec] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-02.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2019 15:27:00 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------004801B44291B025A9C4B312 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the last update until we get experience and review from the (crypto) community. I think I have covered all the new crypto features outside of changes to ESP (rfc 7402). Bob -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-02.txt Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2019 08:23:18 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Stuart Card , Adam Wiethuechter , Robert Moskowitz , Stuart W. Card A new version of I-D, draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-02.txt has been successfully submitted by Robert Moskowitz and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto Revision: 02 Title: New Cryptographic Algorithms for HIP Document date: 2019-10-03 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 12 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-02.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-02 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-02 Abstract: This document provides new cryptographic algorithms to be used with HIP. The Edwards Elliptic Curve and the Keccak sponge functions are the main focus. The HIP parameters and processing instructions impacted by these algorithms are defined. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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This is the last update until we get experience and review from the (crypto) community.

I think I have covered all the new crypto features outside of changes to ESP (rfc 7402).

Bob


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Subject: New Version Notification for draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-02.txt
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2019 08:23:18 -0700
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To: Stuart Card <stu.card@axenterprize.com>, Adam Wiethuechter <adam.wiethuechter@axenterprize.com>, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com>, Stuart W. Card <stu.card@axenterprize.com>



A new version of I-D, draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-02.txt
has been successfully submitted by Robert Moskowitz and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name: draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto
Revision: 02
Title: New Cryptographic Algorithms for HIP
Document date: 2019-10-03
Group: Individual Submission
Pages: 12
URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-02.txt
Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto/
Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-02
Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto
Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-moskowitz-hip-new-crypto-02

Abstract:
This document provides new cryptographic algorithms to be used with
HIP. The Edwards Elliptic Curve and the Keccak sponge functions are
the main focus. The HIP parameters and processing instructions
impacted by these algorithms are defined.



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claimed to be Svantevit.local To: Miika Komu , "iesg@ietf.org" Cc: "hipsec@ietf.org" , "hip-chairs@ietf.org" , Gonzalo Camarillo , "draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal@ietf.org" References: <152593099270.10455.6602365389829924376.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <83a2fbd94967cc351f30427c449b0df58f53fad6.camel@ericsson.com> From: Adam Roach Message-ID: <71d658f7-7d73-2bbd-75aa-ed04bec0442a@nostrum.com> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 10:58:23 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <83a2fbd94967cc351f30427c449b0df58f53fad6.camel@ericsson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Hipsec] Adam Roach's Abstain on draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-28: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2019 15:58:39 -0000 Thanks for the reply! I think we're getting closer to an answer here, but I'm still quite lost on one key aspect. On 10/4/19 7:15 AM, Miika Komu wrote: > In the legacy HIP NAT traversal (RFC5770), we have third protocol > (STUN) on the same port and it does not follow RFC7401 conventions > because it was not designed with IPsec in mind. As a result,*all* > packets need to be diverted to an userland daemon in order to separate > the STUN packets from HIP/ESP. I can't figure out why this diversion is necessary. 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Name: draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit Revision: 02 Title: Hierarchical HITs for HIPv2 Document date: 2019-10-17 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 10 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit-02.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit-02 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit-02 Abstract: This document describes using a hierarchical HIT to facilitate large deployments of managed devices. Hierarchical HITs differ from HIPv2 flat HITs by only using 64 bits for mapping the Host Identity, freeing 32 bits to bind in a hierarchy of Registering Entities that provide services to the consumers of hierarchical HITs. 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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 15:58:35 -0700
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To: Stuart Card <stu.card@axenterprize.com>, Adam Wiethuechter <adam.wiethuechter@axenterprize.com>, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com>, Stuart W. Card <stu.card@axenterprize.com>



A new version of I-D, draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit-02.txt
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Name: draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit
Revision: 02
Title: Hierarchical HITs for HIPv2
Document date: 2019-10-17
Group: Individual Submission
Pages: 10
URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit-02.txt
Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit/
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Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit
Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-moskowitz-hip-hierarchical-hit-02

Abstract:
This document describes using a hierarchical HIT to facilitate large
deployments of managed devices. Hierarchical HITs differ from HIPv2
flat HITs by only using 64 bits for mapping the Host Identity,
freeing 32 bits to bind in a hierarchy of Registering Entities that
provide services to the consumers of hierarchical HITs.



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--------------4AD161F940A8EF730DACEE72-- From nobody Fri Oct 18 02:55:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A29F120850 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 02:55:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yqff1KKBFxVZ for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 02:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [23.123.122.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 831E212008C for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 02:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D34620D4 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 05:55:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id ReZ7FnGgia3M for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 05:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx140e.htt-consult.com (unknown [192.168.160.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 373E06211B for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 05:54:56 -0400 (EDT) To: HIP From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: <29e74e78-9a3a-5011-6417-d5320d55a9d1@htt-consult.com> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 05:54:55 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------0E49CB6CE958C78C49F88E91" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Hipsec] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries-01.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 09:55:05 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0E49CB6CE958C78C49F88E91 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Added DNS retrieval text and reference to rfc 8005. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries-01.txt Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 16:00:27 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Stuart Card , Adam Wiethuechter , Robert Moskowitz , Stuart W. Card A new version of I-D, draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries-01.txt has been successfully submitted by Robert Moskowitz and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries Revision: 01 Title: Hierarchical HIT Registries Document date: 2019-10-17 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 12 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries-01.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries-01 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries-01 Abstract: This document describes using the registration protocol and registries to support hierarchical HITs (HHITs). New and existing HIP parameters are used to communicate Registry Policies and data about the HHIT device and the Registries. Further Registries are expected to provide RVS services for registered HHIT devices. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat --------------0E49CB6CE958C78C49F88E91 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Added DNS retrieval text and reference to rfc 8005.


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Subject: New Version Notification for draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries-01.txt
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 16:00:27 -0700
From: internet-drafts@ietf.org
To: Stuart Card <stu.card@axenterprize.com>, Adam Wiethuechter <adam.wiethuechter@axenterprize.com>, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com>, Stuart W. Card <stu.card@axenterprize.com>



A new version of I-D, draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries-01.txt
has been successfully submitted by Robert Moskowitz and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name: draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries
Revision: 01
Title: Hierarchical HIT Registries
Document date: 2019-10-17
Group: Individual Submission
Pages: 12
URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries-01.txt
Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries/
Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries-01
Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries
Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-moskowitz-hip-hhit-registries-01

Abstract:
This document describes using the registration protocol and
registries to support hierarchical HITs (HHITs). New and existing
HIP parameters are used to communicate Registry Policies and data
about the HHIT device and the Registries. Further Registries are
expected to provide RVS services for registered HHIT devices.



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--------------0E49CB6CE958C78C49F88E91-- From nobody Fri Oct 18 12:11:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D826D120827 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 12:11:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z_FBw-sjGTT6 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 12:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [23.123.122.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56A1112020A for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 12:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED466211C for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:11:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 6HifvH3c20vy for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx140e.htt-consult.com (unknown [192.168.160.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 683096211B for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:11:28 -0400 (EDT) To: HIP From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: <6311fd1b-0e11-0194-980d-fe98005e4e96@htt-consult.com> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:11:22 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2051132B1D284FA47ECE6CA8" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Hipsec] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-wiethuechter-tmrid-auth-00.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 19:11:41 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2051132B1D284FA47ECE6CA8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is Adam's first ID covering the proposed HIP augmented Auth messages. Please read and comment. Bob -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-wiethuechter-tmrid-auth-00.txt Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 12:03:28 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Stuart Card , Adam Wiethuechter , Robert Moskowitz , Stuart W. Card A new version of I-D, draft-wiethuechter-tmrid-auth-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Adam Wiethuechter and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-wiethuechter-tmrid-auth Revision: 00 Title: TM-RID Authentication Formats Document date: 2019-10-18 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 18 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wiethuechter-tmrid-auth-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wiethuechter-tmrid-auth/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wiethuechter-tmrid-auth-00 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wiethuechter-tmrid-auth Abstract: This document describes how to include HIPv2 into the proposed ASTM Remote ID specification defined in WK65041 by the F38 Committee under a Broadcast Remote ID (RID) scenario. It defines a few different message schemes that can be used to assure past messages sent by a UA and also act as a assurance for UA trustworthiness in the absence of Internet connectivity at the receiving node. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat --------------2051132B1D284FA47ECE6CA8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Here is Adam's first ID covering the proposed HIP augmented Auth messages.

Please read and comment.

Bob


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Name: draft-wiethuechter-tmrid-auth
Revision: 00
Title: TM-RID Authentication Formats
Document date: 2019-10-18
Group: Individual Submission
Pages: 18
URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wiethuechter-tmrid-auth-00.txt
Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wiethuechter-tmrid-auth/
Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wiethuechter-tmrid-auth-00
Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wiethuechter-tmrid-auth


Abstract:
This document describes how to include HIPv2 into the proposed ASTM
Remote ID specification defined in WK65041 by the F38 Committee under
a Broadcast Remote ID (RID) scenario. It defines a few different
message schemes that can be used to assure past messages sent by a UA
and also act as a assurance for UA trustworthiness in the absence of
Internet connectivity at the receiving node.



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--------------2051132B1D284FA47ECE6CA8-- From nobody Mon Oct 21 01:04:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietf.org Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40657120132; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 01:04:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: hipsec@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.106.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hipsec@ietf.org Message-ID: <157164504418.31899.17574763715348927066@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 01:04:04 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-dex-10.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 08:04:04 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol WG of the IETF. Title : HIP Diet EXchange (DEX) Authors : Robert Moskowitz Rene Hummen Miika Komu Filename : draft-ietf-hip-dex-10.txt Pages : 52 Date : 2019-10-21 Abstract: This document specifies the Host Identity Protocol Diet EXchange (HIP DEX), a variant of the Host Identity Protocol Version 2 (HIPv2). The HIP DEX protocol design aims at reducing the overhead of the employed cryptographic primitives by omitting public-key signatures and hash functions. The HIP DEX protocol is primarily designed for computation or memory- constrained sensor/actuator devices. Like HIPv2, it is expected to be used together with a suitable security protocol such as the Encapsulated Security Payload (ESP) for the protection of upper layer protocol data. In addition, HIP DEX can also be used as a keying mechanism for security primitives at the MAC layer, e.g., for IEEE 802.15.4 networks. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-dex/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-dex-10 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-hip-dex-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-hip-dex-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Oct 22 19:23:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8CC0120048 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 19:23:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FznBvSL8eEbM for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 19:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [23.123.122.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82B4D12022C for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 19:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB17160D1C for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 22:23:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id xWbjAfJ25Zul for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 22:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx140e.htt-consult.com (unknown [192.168.160.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2AE5460D1B for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 22:23:22 -0400 (EDT) To: HIP From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: <78039135-f79a-17cc-3b74-4caecd6c27e3@htt-consult.com> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 22:23:16 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Hipsec] TM-RID BOF Schedule X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 02:23:30 -0000 The BOF is Tuesday: 1330-1500  Afternoon Session I VIP A               INT     tmrid           Trustworthy Multipurpose Remote ID BOF Hullet              IRTF    gaia            Global Access to the Internet for All Padang              IRTF    maprg           Measurement and Analysis for Protocols Collyer             RTG     lsvr            Link State Vector Routing WG Sophia              RTG     teas            Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling WG Canning             SEC     lake            Lightweight Authenticated Key Exchange WG Olivia              SEC     suit            Software Updates for Internet of Things WG I will find out if there is remote access for VIP A. 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Thu, 24 Oct 2019 09:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx140e.htt-consult.com (unknown [192.168.160.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9E3A460D1B for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 09:57:25 -0400 (EDT) To: HIP References: <53408B4E-608B-4354-89FB-11260FFA141F@cisco.com> From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: <37751412-42c2-a084-6164-1dabf1772837@htt-consult.com> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 09:57:20 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <53408B4E-608B-4354-89FB-11260FFA141F@cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------4F5EFD216BB0C5AF5E2EECA7" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Hipsec] Finalizing the TM-RID BoF at IETF-106/Singapore X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 13:57:37 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4F5EFD216BB0C5AF5E2EECA7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Eric, I will update the agenda.  Work in Progress with also reving Dex draft. Michael Richardson is triple booked on this time slot, so maybe Carsten or Henk.  Or Daniel Migault. I will ask around. I posted a message here on the basics of why HIP (it starts with the HIT).  Stu is working on his UAS draft that will have a section on why HIP and will be in his slides.  But I will add this to the charter and agenda. Privacy of PII is clearly called out in the FAA requirements and Stu will cover that as well.  But it will be clearer in the charter. Actually a couple ballots on the ASTM doc noted that the use of Serial # or CAA registration probably violates PII requirements and HITs can well protect PII and still provide strong ID. But I need to update the BOF info. Bob On 10/24/19 3:31 AM, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote: > > Bob and Stu, > > Are we all set for this BoF? > > For instance, currently there is a single chair Gonzalo Camarillo > while it may be useful to have two. > > The agenda should also have a point about privacy (even if, as > previously discussed, there is no real privacy on purpose) and why IP > and HIP rather than another technique. > > Beside the discussion on the charter for a potential WG, it would be > safer to reserve 10 minutes at the end to probe the participants about > the questions of RFC 5434 that are required in order to form a WG. > > Unsure whether you can still update the BoF page on your own, else, > send me the changes and I will apply them > > Regards > > -éric > > > _______________________________________________ > Hipsec mailing list > Hipsec@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec --------------4F5EFD216BB0C5AF5E2EECA7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Eric,

I will update the agenda.  Work in Progress with also reving Dex draft.

Michael Richardson is triple booked on this time slot, so maybe Carsten or Henk.  Or Daniel Migault.

I will ask around.

I posted a message here on the basics of why HIP (it starts with the HIT).  Stu is working on his UAS draft that will have a section on why HIP and will be in his slides.  But I will add this to the charter and agenda.

Privacy of PII is clearly called out in the FAA requirements and Stu will cover that as well.  But it will be clearer in the charter.  Actually a couple ballots on the ASTM doc noted that the use of Serial # or CAA registration probably violates PII requirements and HITs can well protect PII and still provide strong ID.

But I need to update the BOF info.

Bob


On 10/24/19 3:31 AM, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote:

Bob and Stu,

 

Are we all set for this BoF?

 

For instance, currently there is a single chair Gonzalo Camarillo while it may be useful to have two.

 

The agenda should also have a point about privacy (even if, as previously discussed, there is no real privacy on purpose) and why IP and HIP rather than another technique.

 

Beside the discussion on the charter for a potential WG, it would be safer to reserve 10 minutes at the end to probe the participants about the questions of RFC 5434 that are required in order to form a WG.

 

Unsure whether you can still update the BoF page on your own, else, send me the changes and I will apply them

 

Regards

 

-éric


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--------------4F5EFD216BB0C5AF5E2EECA7-- From nobody Fri Oct 25 09:02:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A2912094B for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 09:02:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ojCfiMOj0q6p for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 09:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [23.123.122.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E318120914 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 09:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DC862115 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 12:02:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 6WV5neLFKY+1 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 12:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx140e.htt-consult.com (unknown [192.168.160.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4CD8A620EE for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 12:02:34 -0400 (EDT) To: HIP From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: <2c733ec8-6873-823c-1e88-f144968d13bc@htt-consult.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 12:02:29 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------49C2906F7170DC076BCC511C" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Hipsec] Updated TMRID BOF Charter X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 16:02:53 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------49C2906F7170DC076BCC511C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have updated the TMRID BOF Charter at: https://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki/WikiStart Here it is.  Comments/corrections/additions welcomed: Governmental agencies worldwide, including the United States Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), are embarking on rule making processes to define Remote Identification (RID) requirements for Unmanned Aircraft Systems (UAS). ASTM International (formerly the American Society for Testing and Materials) F38 Committee Work Item WK65041, “Standard Specification for UAS Remote ID and Tracking”, addresses such anticipated requirements. Broadcast RID defines a set of messages for UAS to send one-way over Bluetooth or IEEE 802.11. Network RID defines how the same information (and potentially more) can be made available via the Internet. The ASTM draft does not address how to ensure or at least assess trustworthiness of information communicated via RID. The Host Identity Protocol (HIP) Host Identity Tag (HIT) is ideally, in fact uniquely, suited to work within this RID effort. For each Unmanned Aircraft (UA), a HIT can consolidate the 4-tuple of (UA ID, UA physical location, UA onboard host ID, UA onboard host logical location [IP address list]) to a 3-tuple (HIT, UA physical location, UA onboard host logical location) and thereby provide significant benefits. More importantly, the Host Identity (HI) behind the HIT can be used to sign Broadcast Authentication Messages, thus proving ownership of the RID (HIT) and signed messages. HITs can also provide significantly superior privacy compared to other allowed RID types while providing greater assurance to authorized observers that they are accessing the proper PII for the UA. HIP would benefit from the following updates to be used effectively in this environment. - Hierarchical HITs (HHIT) enabling scalable and trustable UA registration and information retrieval: HHIT was part of the original design of HIP, but was dropped for lack of a clear use case. RID messages containing HHITs will enable use of DNS to access information about the UAS. - expanded HIP Registration for HHITs: This registration process will provide proof of authenticity and prevent duplicate HHITs from occurring. Further, these Registries will provide the UAS DNS information and other services (including support of RVS for Network RID and related applications). - new cryptographic algorithms: Extremely compact keys and signatures (such as are enabled by EdDSA and Keccak functions) are needed to meet the severely constrained UAS environment. Additionally, tm-rid will offer specifications for HIP-augmented ASTM RID messages. Initially this will consist of additional RID Authentication Messages that use the HI in public key signing operations: to prove UAS ownership of the HHIT; to authenticate other claims made via RID, such as position and velocity, as having been made by the owner of that HHIT; and to provide observers lacking current Internet connectivity with locally verifiable UAS proof-of-registration objects. Further work will emerge as experience is gained in using HIP for UAS RID. For example, some UAS Traffic Management (UTM) systems envision using OAuth for Ground Control Systems (GCS) and authorized safety personnel. HIP as an OAuth method may help in merging HIP into these systems. The goal is to complete these updates to HIP and publish the TMRID RFCs by the end of 2020. --------------49C2906F7170DC076BCC511C Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I have updated the TMRID BOF Charter at:

https://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki/WikiStart

Here it is.  Comments/corrections/additions welcomed:


Governmental agencies worldwide, including the United States Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), are embarking on rule making processes to define Remote Identification (RID) requirements for Unmanned Aircraft Systems (UAS). ASTM International (formerly the American Society for Testing and Materials) F38 Committee Work Item WK65041, “Standard Specification for UAS Remote ID and Tracking”, addresses such anticipated requirements. Broadcast RID defines a set of messages for UAS to send one-way over Bluetooth or IEEE 802.11. Network RID defines how the same information (and potentially more) can be made available via the Internet. The ASTM draft does not address how to ensure or at least assess trustworthiness of information communicated via RID.


The Host Identity Protocol (HIP) Host Identity Tag (HIT) is ideally, in fact uniquely, suited to work within this RID effort. For each Unmanned Aircraft (UA), a HIT can consolidate the 4-tuple of (UA ID, UA physical location, UA onboard host ID, UA onboard host logical location [IP address list]) to a 3-tuple (HIT, UA physical location, UA onboard host logical location) and thereby provide significant benefits. More importantly, the Host Identity (HI) behind the HIT can be used to sign Broadcast Authentication Messages, thus proving ownership of the RID (HIT) and signed messages.


HITs can also provide significantly superior privacy compared to other allowed RID types while providing greater assurance to authorized observers that they are accessing the proper PII for the UA.


HIP would benefit from the following updates to be used effectively in this environment.


- Hierarchical HITs (HHIT) enabling scalable and trustable UA registration and information retrieval: HHIT was part of the original design of HIP, but was dropped for lack of a clear use case. RID messages containing HHITs will enable use of DNS to access information about the UAS.


- expanded HIP Registration for HHITs: This registration process will provide proof of authenticity and prevent duplicate HHITs from occurring. Further, these Registries will provide the UAS DNS information and other services (including support of RVS for Network RID and related applications).


- new cryptographic algorithms: Extremely compact keys and signatures (such as are enabled by EdDSA and Keccak functions) are needed to meet the severely constrained UAS environment.


Additionally, tm-rid will offer specifications for HIP-augmented ASTM RID messages. Initially this will consist of additional RID Authentication Messages that use the HI in public key signing operations: to prove UAS ownership of the HHIT; to authenticate other claims made via RID, such as position and velocity, as having been made by the owner of that HHIT; and to provide observers lacking current Internet connectivity with locally verifiable UAS proof-of-registration objects.


Further work will emerge as experience is gained in using HIP for UAS RID. For example, some UAS Traffic Management (UTM) systems envision using OAuth for Ground Control Systems (GCS) and authorized safety personnel. HIP as an OAuth method may help in merging HIP into these systems.


The goal is to complete these updates to HIP and publish the TMRID RFCs by the end of 2020.


--------------49C2906F7170DC076BCC511C-- From nobody Thu Oct 31 08:49:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietf.org Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30BA0120274; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 08:49:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: hipsec@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.108.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hipsec@ietf.org Message-ID: <157253699504.30520.319233325014349537@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 08:49:55 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Hipsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-hip-dex-11.txt X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 15:49:55 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Host Identity Protocol WG of the IETF. Title : HIP Diet EXchange (DEX) Authors : Robert Moskowitz Rene Hummen Miika Komu Filename : draft-ietf-hip-dex-11.txt Pages : 52 Date : 2019-10-31 Abstract: This document specifies the Host Identity Protocol Diet EXchange (HIP DEX), a variant of the Host Identity Protocol Version 2 (HIPv2). The HIP DEX protocol design aims at reducing the overhead of the employed cryptographic primitives by omitting public-key signatures and hash functions. The HIP DEX protocol is primarily designed for computation or memory- constrained sensor/actuator devices. Like HIPv2, it is expected to be used together with a suitable security protocol such as the Encapsulated Security Payload (ESP) for the protection of upper layer protocol data. In addition, HIP DEX can also be used as a keying mechanism for security primitives at the MAC layer, e.g., for IEEE 802.15.4 networks. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-dex/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-dex-11 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-hip-dex-11 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-hip-dex-11 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Oct 31 09:05:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietf.org Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7267D120954; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 09:04:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.108.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Sender: CC: hipsec@ietf.org, gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com, hip-chairs@ietf.org, Gonzalo Camarillo , draft-ietf-hip-dex@ietf.org, evyncke@cisco.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: last-call@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <157253789837.30396.1693327355009713547.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 09:04:58 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Hipsec] Last Call: (HIP Diet EXchange (DEX)) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 16:05:04 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Host Identity Protocol WG (hip) to consider the following document: - 'HIP Diet EXchange (DEX)' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the last-call@ietf.org mailing lists by 2019-11-14. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document specifies the Host Identity Protocol Diet EXchange (HIP DEX), a variant of the Host Identity Protocol Version 2 (HIPv2). The HIP DEX protocol design aims at reducing the overhead of the employed cryptographic primitives by omitting public-key signatures and hash functions. The HIP DEX protocol is primarily designed for computation or memory- constrained sensor/actuator devices. Like HIPv2, it is expected to be used together with a suitable security protocol such as the Encapsulated Security Payload (ESP) for the protection of upper layer protocol data. In addition, HIP DEX can also be used as a keying mechanism for security primitives at the MAC layer, e.g., for IEEE 802.15.4 networks. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-dex/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-dex/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. The document contains these normative downward references. See RFC 3967 for additional information: rfc6261: Encrypted Signaling Transport Modes for the Host Identity Protocol (Experimental - IETF stream)