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en-US Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 00:48:23 -0800 Subject: Re: [Hipsec] Need to close all draft-ietf-hip-dex-21 pending issues... before 2021-Jan-13... X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 19:10:55 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------901B5C5EB890C12AE9BDEC29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have reached the point on going through all the old notes where any attempts at changes only seem cosmetic.  I spend a couple hours a week on it, trying something else.  I need to take a different approach, perhaps. I just completed another round of going through the various emails. What I am thinking about is put together a single note on what I perceive as outstanding issues, and put them in an Appendix.  I would push this out, still this month and see how things go from there. I have really tried to come to some accommodation on the issues raised. Events are somewhat catching up.  NIST LWC selection process may well result in renewing looks at technologies like HIP-DEX for 8-bit processors (see the latest LWC presentations including the build rate for 8-bit processors). I welcome your response. Bob On 11/13/20 9:32 AM, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote: > > Dear HIP, dear authors, > > This document was requested for publication [1] in February 2018 (2.5 > years ago), then its IESG evaluation has been deferred, then I took > over this document from Terry Manderson in March 2019, then it went > again through IESG evaluation in July 2020 and there are still DISCUSS > points to be addressed even after a couple of revised I-D... > > Difficult not to observe that this document does not progress very fast. > > Moreover, this document is a normative reference for rfc4423-bis > waiting in the RFC editor queue since March 2019... So, also blocking > the HIP-NAT document [2]. > > After discussion with the HIP chair, Gonzalo in cc, we have taken the > following decision: if a revised I-D addressing remaining DISCUSS > points + Ekr’s ones is not uploaded within 2 months (13^th of January > 2021), then I will request the HIP WG to accept the complete removal > of section A.3.3 of the rfc4423-bis document (1 page about HIP-DEX in > the appendix) + the reference to the HIP-DEX document [3]. This will > allow the immediate publication of the rfc4423-bis and HIP-NAT documents. > > The HIP DEX authors may also select to change the intended status of > the document to ‘experimental’ (if the HIP WG agrees) as this may > reduce the security requirements by the SEC AD and Ekr. > > Gonzalo and I are still hoping to get a revised HIP-DEX shortly, > > Regards > > -éric > > [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-dex/history/ > > > [2] https://www.rfc-editor.org/cluster_info.php?cid=C386 > > > [3] and possibly I will set the state of HIP-DEX as ‘dead’ on the > datatracker > -- Standard Robert Moskowitz Owner HTT Consulting C:248-219-2059 F:248-968-2824 E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit --------------901B5C5EB890C12AE9BDEC29 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have reached the point on going through all the old notes where any attempts at changes only seem cosmetic.  I spend a couple hours a week on it, trying something else.  I need to take a different approach, perhaps.

I just completed another round of going through the various emails.

What I am thinking about is put together a single note on what I perceive as outstanding issues, and put them in an Appendix.  I would push this out, still this month and see how things go from there.

I have really tried to come to some accommodation on the issues raised.

Events are somewhat catching up.  NIST LWC selection process may well result in renewing looks at technologies like HIP-DEX for 8-bit processors (see the latest LWC presentations including the build rate for 8-bit processors).

I welcome your response.

Bob

On 11/13/20 9:32 AM, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote:

Dear HIP, dear authors,

 

This document was requested for publication [1] in February 2018 (2.5 years ago), then its IESG evaluation has been deferred, then I took over this document from Terry Manderson in March 2019, then it went again through IESG evaluation in July 2020 and there are still DISCUSS points to be addressed even after a couple of revised I-D...

 

Difficult not to observe that this document does not progress very fast.

 

Moreover, this document is a normative reference for rfc4423-bis waiting in the RFC editor queue since March 2019... So, also blocking the HIP-NAT document [2].

 

After discussion with the HIP chair, Gonzalo in cc, we have taken the following decision: if a revised I-D addressing remaining DISCUSS points + Ekr’s ones is not uploaded within 2 months (13th of January 2021), then I will request the HIP WG to accept the complete removal of section A.3.3 of the rfc4423-bis document (1 page about HIP-DEX in the appendix) + the reference to the HIP-DEX document [3]. This will allow the immediate publication of the rfc4423-bis and HIP-NAT documents.

 

The HIP DEX authors may also select to change the intended status of the document to ‘experimental’ (if the HIP WG agrees) as this may reduce the security requirements by the SEC AD and Ekr.

 

Gonzalo and I are still hoping to get a revised HIP-DEX shortly,

 

Regards

 

-éric

 

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-dex/history/

[2] https://www.rfc-editor.org/cluster_info.php?cid=C386

[3] and possibly I will set the state of HIP-DEX as ‘dead’ on the datatracker

 


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In-Reply-To: From: Eric Rescorla Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 01:40:21 -0800 Message-ID: To: Gonzalo Camarillo Cc: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" , Robert Moskowitz , "hipsec@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-hip-dex@ietf.org" , Miika Komu , Erik Kline , "rene.hummen@belden.com" , Terry Manderson , Benjamin Kaduk , Roman Danyliw Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d556b405b4362ce7" Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 07:58:19 -0800 Subject: Re: [Hipsec] Need to close all draft-ietf-hip-dex-21 pending issues... before 2021-Jan-13... X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 09:41:01 -0000 --000000000000d556b405b4362ce7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Certainly happy to do that, though it would need to be the first week of December at earliest. On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 1:35 AM Gonzalo Camarillo < gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com> wrote: > Hi, > > > > yes, maybe a quick conference call with the authors and the relevant ADs > would be the best way to agree on a way forward. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Gonzalo > > > > *From:* Eric Vyncke (evyncke) > *Sent:* Friday, November 13, 2020 23:48 > *To:* Robert Moskowitz ; hipsec@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-hip-dex@ietf.org; Miika Komu > *Cc:* Gonzalo Camarillo ; Erik Kline < > ek.ietf@gmail.com>; Eric Rescorla ; rene.hummen@belden.com; > Terry Manderson ; Benjamin Kaduk ; > Roman Danyliw > *Subject:* Re: Need to close all draft-ietf-hip-dex-21 pending issues... > before 2021-Jan-13... > > > > Bob, > > > > It is really up to the authors (representing the will of the HIP WG) to > get a revised I-D addressing the SEC Ads=E2=80=99 concerns. If they are s= atisfied > with open questions put in an appendix (e.g., =E2=80=9Cfor future work=E2= =80=9D) and they > clear their blocking DISCUSS points, then I will more than happy to give > the final go to HIP DEX. > > > > Having email/voice exchanges with DISCUSS owners (and Ekr) can probably > help as well. > > > > Did you consider changing the intended status to =E2=80=98experimental=E2= =80=99 ? > > > > Obviously, the earlier, the better > > > > Regards > > > > -=C3=A9ric > > > > *From: *Robert Moskowitz > *Date: *Friday, 13 November 2020 at 20:10 > *To: *Eric Vyncke , "hipsec@ietf.org" , > "draft-ietf-hip-dex@ietf.org" , Miika Komu < > miika.komu@ericsson.com> > *Cc: *Gonzalo Camarillo , Erik Kline < > ek.ietf@gmail.com>, Eric Rescorla , "rene.hummen@belden.com= " > , Terry Manderson , > Benjamin Kaduk , Roman Danyliw > *Subject: *Re: Need to close all draft-ietf-hip-dex-21 pending issues... > before 2021-Jan-13... > > > > I have reached the point on going through all the old notes where any > attempts at changes only seem cosmetic. I spend a couple hours a week on > it, trying something else. I need to take a different approach, perhaps. > > I just completed another round of going through the various emails. > > What I am thinking about is put together a single note on what I perceive > as outstanding issues, and put them in an Appendix. I would push this ou= t, > still this month and see how things go from there. > > I have really tried to come to some accommodation on the issues raised. > > Events are somewhat catching up. NIST LWC selection process may well > result in renewing looks at technologies like HIP-DEX for 8-bit processor= s > (see the latest LWC presentations including the build rate for 8-bit > processors). > > I welcome your response. > > Bob > > On 11/13/20 9:32 AM, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote: > > Dear HIP, dear authors, > > > > This document was requested for publication [1] in February 2018 (2.5 > years ago), then its IESG evaluation has been deferred, then I took over > this document from Terry Manderson in March 2019, then it went again > through IESG evaluation in July 2020 and there are still DISCUSS points t= o > be addressed even after a couple of revised I-D... > > > > Difficult not to observe that this document does not progress very fast. > > > > Moreover, this document is a normative reference for rfc4423-bis waiting > in the RFC editor queue since March 2019... So, also blocking the HIP-NAT > document [2]. > > > > After discussion with the HIP chair, Gonzalo in cc, we have taken the > following decision: if a revised I-D addressing remaining DISCUSS points = + > Ekr=E2=80=99s ones is not uploaded within 2 months (13th of January 2021)= , then I > will request the HIP WG to accept the complete removal of section A.3.3 o= f > the rfc4423-bis document (1 page about HIP-DEX in the appendix) + the > reference to the HIP-DEX document [3]. This will allow the immediate > publication of the rfc4423-bis and HIP-NAT documents. > > > > The HIP DEX authors may also select to change the intended status of the > document to =E2=80=98experimental=E2=80=99 (if the HIP WG agrees) as this= may reduce the > security requirements by the SEC AD and Ekr. > > > > Gonzalo and I are still hoping to get a revised HIP-DEX shortly, > > > > Regards > > > > -=C3=A9ric > > > > [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-dex/history/ > > [2] https://www.rfc-editor.org/cluster_info.php?cid=3DC386 > > > [3] and possibly I will set the state of HIP-DEX as =E2=80=98dead=E2=80= =99 on the > datatracker > > > > > > -- > Robert Moskowitz > Owner > HTT Consulting > C: 248-219-2059 > F: 248-968-2824 > E: rgm@labs.htt-consult.com > > There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who get= s > the credit > > --> > --000000000000d556b405b4362ce7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Certainly happy to do that, though it would need to b= e the first week of December at earliest.


On Mon, Nov 1= 6, 2020 at 1:35 AM Gonzalo Camarillo <gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com> wrote:

Hi,

=C2=A0

yes, maybe a quick conference call with the authors = and the relevant ADs would be the best way to agree on a way forward.

=C2=A0

Cheers,

=C2=A0

Gonzalo

=C2=A0

From: Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke@cisco.com>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 23:48
To: Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com>; hipsec@ietf.org; draft-ietf-hip-dex@ietf.org; = Miika Komu <miika.komu@ericsson.com>
Cc: Gonzalo Camarillo <gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com>; Erik Klin= e <ek.ietf@gmail.= com>; Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>; rene.hummen@belden.com; Terry Manderson <terry.manderson@icann.org<= /a>>; Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>; Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>
Subject: Re: Need to close all draft-ietf-hip-dex-21 pending issues.= .. before 2021-Jan-13...

=C2=A0

Bob,

=C2=A0

It is really up to the authors (representing the wil= l of the HIP WG) to get a revised I-D addressing the SEC Ads=E2=80=99 conce= rns. If they are satisfied with open questions put in an appendix (e.g., = =E2=80=9Cfor future work=E2=80=9D) and they clear their blocking DISCUSS points, then I will more than happy to give the final go to HIP DE= X.

=C2=A0

Having email/voice exchanges with DISCUSS owners (an= d Ekr) can probably help as well.

=C2=A0

Did you consider changing the intended status to =E2= =80=98experimental=E2=80=99 ?

=C2=A0

Obviously, the earlier, the better

=C2=A0

Regards

=C2=A0

-=C3=A9ric

=C2=A0

From: Robert Moskowitz <= rgm@labs.htt-= consult.com>
Date: Friday, 13 November 2020 at 20:10
To: Eric Vyncke <evyncke@cisco.com>, "hipsec@ietf.org" <hipsec@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-hip-dex@ietf.org<= /a>" <draft= -ietf-hip-dex@ietf.org>, Miika Komu <miika.komu@ericsson.com>
Cc: Gonzalo Camarillo <gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com>, Erik Klin= e <ek.ietf@gmail.= com>, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, "rene.hummen@belden.com" <rene.humme= n@belden.com>, Terry Manderson <terry.manderson@icann.org>, Benjamin K= aduk <kaduk@mit.edu>, Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>
Subject: Re: Need to close all draft-ietf-hip-dex-21 pending issues.= .. before 2021-Jan-13...

=C2=A0

I have reached the point on going through all the old notes where any attem= pts at changes only seem cosmetic.=C2=A0 I spend a couple hours a week on i= t, trying something else.=C2=A0 I need to take a different approach, perhap= s.

I just completed another round of going through the various emails.

What I am thinking about is put together a single note on what I perceive a= s outstanding issues, and put them in an Appendix.=C2=A0 I would push this = out, still this month and see how things go from there.

I have really tried to come to some accommodation on the issues raised.

Events are somewhat catching up.=C2=A0 NIST LWC selection process may well = result in renewing looks at technologies like HIP-DEX for 8-bit processors = (see the latest LWC presentations including the build rate for 8-bit proces= sors).

I welcome your response.

Bob

On 11/13/20 9:32 AM, Eri= c Vyncke (evyncke) wrote:

Dear HIP, dear authors,<= u>

=C2=A0

This document was reques= ted for publication [1] in February 2018 (2.5 years ago), then its IESG eva= luation has been deferred, then I took over this document from Terry Mander= son in March 2019, then it went again through IESG evaluation in July 2020 and there are still DISCUSS points to= be addressed even after a couple of revised I-D...

=C2=A0

Difficult not to observe= that this document does not progress very fast.

=C2=A0

Moreover, this document = is a normative reference for rfc4423-bis waiting in the RFC editor queue si= nce March 2019... So, also blocking the HIP-NAT document [2].=

=C2=A0

After discussion with th= e HIP chair, Gonzalo in cc, we have taken the following decision: if a revi= sed I-D addressing remaining DISCUSS points + Ekr=E2=80=99s ones is not upl= oaded within 2 months (13th of January 2021), then I will request the HIP WG to accept the complete removal of se= ction A.3.3 of the rfc4423-bis document (1 page about HIP-DEX in the append= ix) + the reference to the HIP-DEX document [3]. This will allow the immedi= ate publication of the rfc4423-bis and HIP-NAT documents.

=C2=A0

The HIP DEX authors may = also select to change the intended status of the document to =E2=80=98exper= imental=E2=80=99 (if the HIP WG agrees) as this may reduce the security req= uirements by the SEC AD and Ekr.

=C2=A0

Gonzalo and I are still = hoping to get a revised HIP-DEX shortly,

=C2=A0

Regards

=C2=A0

-=C3=A9ric=

=C2=A0

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-dex/history/ =

[2] https://www.rfc-editor.org/cluster_info.php?cid=3DC386

[3] and possibly I will = set the state of HIP-DEX as =E2=80=98dead=E2=80=99 on the datatracker

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

--
Robert Moskowitz Owner
HTT Consulting
C:=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0248-219-2059
F:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0248-968-2824
E:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0rgm@labs.htt-consult.com

There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter w= ho gets the credit

-->

--000000000000d556b405b4362ce7-- From nobody Mon Nov 16 07:58:24 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F593A0DBB; Mon, 16 Nov 2020 04:09:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aHgKcj08W1mN; Mon, 16 Nov 2020 04:08:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77DE43A0D91; Mon, 16 Nov 2020 04:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from kduck.mit.edu ([24.16.140.251]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 0AGC8C9X021732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 16 Nov 2020 07:08:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 04:08:12 -0800 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: Gonzalo Camarillo Cc: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" , Robert Moskowitz , "hipsec@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-hip-dex@ietf.org" , Miika Komu , Erik Kline , "rene.hummen@belden.com" , Terry Manderson , Eric Rescorla , Roman Danyliw Message-ID: <20201116120812.GX39170@kduck.mit.edu> References: <6A729A0C-70B0-458F-BA0E-62EB2108D412@cisco.com> <6bd706b3-7195-5dc5-21b4-bd12f14c5271@labs.htt-consult.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 07:58:19 -0800 Subject: Re: [Hipsec] Need to close all draft-ietf-hip-dex-21 pending issues... before 2021-Jan-13... X-BeenThere: hipsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the official IETF Mailing List for the HIP Working Group." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 12:09:02 -0000 I'm happy to get on a call as well. -Ben On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 01:40:21AM -0800, Eric Rescorla wrote: > Certainly happy to do that, though it would need to be the first week of > December at earliest. > > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 1:35 AM Gonzalo Camarillo < > gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > yes, maybe a quick conference call with the authors and the relevant ADs > > would be the best way to agree on a way forward. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Gonzalo > > > > > > > > *From:* Eric Vyncke (evyncke) > > *Sent:* Friday, November 13, 2020 23:48 > > *To:* Robert Moskowitz ; hipsec@ietf.org; > > draft-ietf-hip-dex@ietf.org; Miika Komu > > *Cc:* Gonzalo Camarillo ; Erik Kline < > > ek.ietf@gmail.com>; Eric Rescorla ; rene.hummen@belden.com; > > Terry Manderson ; Benjamin Kaduk ; > > Roman Danyliw > > *Subject:* Re: Need to close all draft-ietf-hip-dex-21 pending issues... > > before 2021-Jan-13... > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > > > It is really up to the authors (representing the will of the HIP WG) to > > get a revised I-D addressing the SEC Ads’ concerns. If they are satisfied > > with open questions put in an appendix (e.g., “for future work”) and they > > clear their blocking DISCUSS points, then I will more than happy to give > > the final go to HIP DEX. > > > > > > > > Having email/voice exchanges with DISCUSS owners (and Ekr) can probably > > help as well. > > > > > > > > Did you consider changing the intended status to ‘experimental’ ? > > > > > > > > Obviously, the earlier, the better > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > -éric > > > > > > > > *From: *Robert Moskowitz > > *Date: *Friday, 13 November 2020 at 20:10 > > *To: *Eric Vyncke , "hipsec@ietf.org" , > > "draft-ietf-hip-dex@ietf.org" , Miika Komu < > > miika.komu@ericsson.com> > > *Cc: *Gonzalo Camarillo , Erik Kline < > > ek.ietf@gmail.com>, Eric Rescorla , "rene.hummen@belden.com" > > , Terry Manderson , > > Benjamin Kaduk , Roman Danyliw > > *Subject: *Re: Need to close all draft-ietf-hip-dex-21 pending issues... > > before 2021-Jan-13... > > > > > > > > I have reached the point on going through all the old notes where any > > attempts at changes only seem cosmetic. I spend a couple hours a week on > > it, trying something else. I need to take a different approach, perhaps. > > > > I just completed another round of going through the various emails. > > > > What I am thinking about is put together a single note on what I perceive > > as outstanding issues, and put them in an Appendix. I would push this out, > > still this month and see how things go from there. > > > > I have really tried to come to some accommodation on the issues raised. > > > > Events are somewhat catching up. NIST LWC selection process may well > > result in renewing looks at technologies like HIP-DEX for 8-bit processors > > (see the latest LWC presentations including the build rate for 8-bit > > processors). > > > > I welcome your response. > > > > Bob > > > > On 11/13/20 9:32 AM, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote: > > > > Dear HIP, dear authors, > > > > > > > > This document was requested for publication [1] in February 2018 (2.5 > > years ago), then its IESG evaluation has been deferred, then I took over > > this document from Terry Manderson in March 2019, then it went again > > through IESG evaluation in July 2020 and there are still DISCUSS points to > > be addressed even after a couple of revised I-D... > > > > > > > > Difficult not to observe that this document does not progress very fast. > > > > > > > > Moreover, this document is a normative reference for rfc4423-bis waiting > > in the RFC editor queue since March 2019... So, also blocking the HIP-NAT > > document [2]. > > > > > > > > After discussion with the HIP chair, Gonzalo in cc, we have taken the > > following decision: if a revised I-D addressing remaining DISCUSS points + > > Ekr’s ones is not uploaded within 2 months (13th of January 2021), then I > > will request the HIP WG to accept the complete removal of section A.3.3 of > > the rfc4423-bis document (1 page about HIP-DEX in the appendix) + the > > reference to the HIP-DEX document [3]. This will allow the immediate > > publication of the rfc4423-bis and HIP-NAT documents. > > > > > > > > The HIP DEX authors may also select to change the intended status of the > > document to ‘experimental’ (if the HIP WG agrees) as this may reduce the > > security requirements by the SEC AD and Ekr. > > > > > > > > Gonzalo and I are still hoping to get a revised HIP-DEX shortly, > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > -éric > > > > > > > > [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-hip-dex/history/ > > > > [2] https://www.rfc-editor.org/cluster_info.php?cid=C386 > > > > > > [3] and possibly I will set the state of HIP-DEX as ‘dead’ on the > > datatracker > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Robert Moskowitz > > Owner > > HTT Consulting > > C: 248-219-2059 > > F: 248-968-2824 > > E: rgm@labs.htt-consult.com > > > > There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets > > the credit > > > > --> > > From nobody Mon Nov 16 07:58:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hipsec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467073A1015; 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