From nobody Wed Jul 1 05:14:19 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5526B1A1BC0 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 05:14:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cs4WV2Nt4Lpc for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 05:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.ee.ethz.ch (smtp.ee.ethz.ch [129.132.2.219]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E9841A1B87 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 05:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.ee.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D70D930E; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 14:14:13 +0200 (MEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new on smtp.ee.ethz.ch Received: from smtp.ee.ethz.ch ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (.ee.ethz.ch [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id hBJZZYh3pM1J; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 14:14:13 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [82.130.103.143] (nb-10510.ethz.ch [82.130.103.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mirjak) by smtp.ee.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8710CD930D; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 14:14:13 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <5593D995.6090502@tik.ee.ethz.ch> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 14:14:13 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWlyamEgS8O8aGxld2luZA==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hops@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: Brian Trammell Subject: [hops] draft meeting agenda X-BeenThere: hops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Measuring deployability of new transport protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 12:14:17 -0000 Hi all, I've uploaded a draft meeting agenda: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/agenda/agenda-93-hopsrg For now we have 4 presentations and have simply assigned half an hour to each (incl. discussion). However, if someone has something else he'd like to present at this first meeting, please let us know and we will figure out if it fits in the agenda. Please note that we also have 15 minutes reserved at the beginning and the end to talk about the scope, goals and potentially concrete next steps. I think we should in any case keep this time for discussion and therefore I wouldn't wanted to squeeze too much into the agenda... Mirja From nobody Wed Jul 1 09:33:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0B01A9239 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 09:33:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id REsNpk_KzQsP for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 09:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-out4.uio.no (mail-out4.uio.no [IPv6:2001:700:100:10::15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E1731A9236 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 09:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-mx3.uio.no ([129.240.10.44]) by mail-out4.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAKwW-0007yV-6n for hops@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 18:33:00 +0200 Received: from 62-193-53-219.as16211.net ([62.193.53.219] helo=[192.168.101.158]) by mail-mx3.uio.no with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) user michawe (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAKwU-0003wI-TH for hops@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 18:33:00 +0200 From: Michael Welzl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 18:32:57 +0200 References: To: hops@ietf.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) X-UiO-SPF-Received: X-UiO-Ratelimit-Test: rcpts/h 7 msgs/h 5 sum rcpts/h 13 sum msgs/h 9 total rcpts 30646 max rcpts/h 54 ratelimit 0 X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.0, required=5.0, autolearn=disabled, TVD_RCVD_IP=0.001, UIO_MAIL_IS_INTERNAL=-5, uiobl=NO, uiouri=NO) X-UiO-Scanned: 4F9920C53A0041869601D8BD51240FB89BBEF7DF X-UiO-SPAM-Test: remote_host: 62.193.53.219 spam_score: -49 maxlevel 80 minaction 2 bait 0 mail/h: 5 total 39 max/h 6 blacklist 0 greylist 0 ratelimit 0 Archived-At: Subject: [hops] Fwd: [Int-area] New Version Notification for draft-welzl-icmp-text-middleboxes-00.txt X-BeenThere: hops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Measuring deployability of new transport protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 16:33:04 -0000 ... and now I'm beginning to wonder if I'm actually flooding IETF lists = with... ascii packets? Anyway. I'm forwarding this here by recommendation from the chairs. A discussion = started on intarea, focusing on technical aspects which I think really = are not the major issue in this case: rather, it would be interesting to = know if people (in particular on operator side) find this useful at all. It feels a bit awkward spreading this - it has to be the strangest thing = I ever sent to the IETF... I hope my ideas get more normal again in the = future. > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: Michael Welzl > Subject: Fwd: [Int-area] New Version Notification for = draft-welzl-icmp-text-middleboxes-00.txt > Date: 1. juli 2015 kl. 18.26.16 CEST > To: spud@ietf.org >=20 > Hi, >=20 > See below - this is remotely related to SPUD (really remotely, in that = it addresses a human, but the human in control of a device of concern to = SPUD). >=20 > We're collecting opinions on this - please let us have them :-) >=20 > Michael >=20 >=20 >=20 >> Begin forwarded message: >>=20 >> Resent-From: >> From: Michael Welzl >> Date: 30. juni 2015 kl. 00.35.39 CEST >> To: Int-area@ietf.org >> Subject: [Int-area] Fwd: New Version Notification for = draft-welzl-icmp-text-middleboxes-00.txt >>=20 >> Dear all, >>=20 >> We just posted the draft below. Not knowing which other group would = fit, we're sending it here. We're really transport people and at least I = am newbie to this group... very curious to hear your thoughts: >> - completely idiotic? >> - exactly what the world has been waiting for? >>=20 >> ... I guess it can only be one of the two above :-) If the = chairs think that this makes sense to discuss in Prague, we'll be there, = and I'd be happy to do a supershort presentation, but let us first hear = what you think. It's a short and easy read, we promise that! :-) >>=20 >> Thanks! >> Michael & Janjie >>=20 >>=20 >>> Begin forwarded message: >>>=20 >>> Resent-From: >>> From: >>> To: Jianjie You , Michael Welzl = , Jianjie You , Michael Welzl = >>> Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-welzl-icmp-text-middleboxes-00.txt >>> Date: 30. juni 2015 kl. 00.24.23 CEST >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> A new version of I-D, draft-welzl-icmp-text-middleboxes-00.txt >>> has been successfully submitted by Michael Welzl and posted to the >>> IETF repository. >>>=20 >>> Name: draft-welzl-icmp-text-middleboxes >>> Revision: 00 >>> Title: Text messaging to middlebox administrators using = ICMP >>> Document date: 2015-06-30 >>> Group: Individual Submission >>> Pages: 6 >>> URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-welzl-icmp-text-middleboxes-00.= txt >>> Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-welzl-icmp-text-middleboxes/ >>> Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-welzl-icmp-text-middleboxes-00 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Abstract: >>> This document describes the use of an ICMP message to send text >>> messages to on-path middleboxes from the endpoints. The text = message >>> is sent towards a destination but meant to be read by administrators >>> of middleboxes along the path to the destination. The goal is to >>> improve the user's experience with simple middlebox cooperation. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission >>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >>>=20 >>> The IETF Secretariat >>>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Int-area mailing list >> Int-area@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area >=20 From nobody Wed Jul 15 07:45:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7221AC3C7 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 07:45:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.912 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.912 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id msJwd-IhawjI for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 07:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trammell.ch (trammell.ch [5.148.172.66]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0631AC3C2 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 07:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nb-10604.ethz.ch (nb-10604.ethz.ch [82.130.102.91]) by trammell.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 868D51A04FB for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 16:45:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Brian Trammell X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_72F63F70-10B1-40EF-93D9-DDC33874CD1D"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 16:45:43 +0200 Message-Id: <6DF58466-A95F-4581-AEAF-94189AA7BAA2@trammell.ch> To: hops@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Archived-At: Subject: [hops] (Final) Hops (P)RG agenda posted X-BeenThere: hops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Measuring deployability of new transport protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 14:45:46 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_72F63F70-10B1-40EF-93D9-DDC33874CD1D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greetings, all, We've posted a final agenda for our proposed RG meeting in Prague = (Friday 24 July at 9:00 CEST / UTC+2, in Congress Hall III), at: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/agenda/agenda-93-hopsrg The agenda covers "what's being done in this space now", organized along = the lines of how current measurements of middlebox impairments are = generated, or could be. For each presentation we'd like to have a fair = amount of discussion, followed by a final discussion to determine what = the next steps for a potential RG are. Cheers, and see you in Prague, Brian and Mirja --Apple-Mail=_72F63F70-10B1-40EF-93D9-DDC33874CD1D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJVpnIXAAoJENt3nsOmbNJcsSwH+QFgrCb4yw4zG8n1TiHMbOHO mxXcaZfkK+yEMmtAIoJbx3UXkNyHzXC43Wr94aaBl4CR7ZgrjECO31ZM7k0ypoI5 levFXOZ3OZ50Ep/DjxU171n5bKotoiVyLSQIfoELuDJlzyCUrPBMGpHwlPwZAo2L 6WF0l3+WaNB5cu8VgoTH92ww1+7AyuJX3di+8lysBU3OS8QKSnqATqQ9QpIcamvX WbvTnzwFjy4yYdqQpJnAl3a3iSv78ydg0y9eYxzpJ4u3wzYP0cgjwDr67OHRJsQH ZfbEc5j0w/9JoxbBLCNmxUBjdi8LP+Prx8s7yVOSgo7zwj1loZ+Jv1QwSGbAomA= =tket -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_72F63F70-10B1-40EF-93D9-DDC33874CD1D-- From nobody Thu Jul 23 09:32:57 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65F41A1A79; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 09:32:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.912 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.912 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KDj13FwQyl7F; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 09:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trammell.ch (trammell.ch [5.148.172.66]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A6721A2130; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 09:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-b12e.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-b12e.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.177.46]) by trammell.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C7FDE1A035E; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:32:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Brian Trammell X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_006389B6-E19D-4E46-BE76-2CB7E73F72D8"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:32:13 +0200 Message-Id: To: IAB SEMI Workshop , spud@ietf.org, taps WG , hops@ietf.org, tsv-area@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Archived-At: Cc: Stackevo , IAB IAB Subject: [hops] New open IAB list to discuss stack evolution issues X-BeenThere: hops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Measuring deployability of new transport protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 16:32:56 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_006389B6-E19D-4E46-BE76-2CB7E73F72D8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greetings, all, We've heard a bit of confusion about the plethora of mailing lists on = which to discuss efforts to evolve the stack in and around the transport = layer, and we've decided to fix the confusion by creating another list. = :) The stackevo-discuss@iab.org list has been created for discussion any = and all aspects of evolution of the IP protocol stack. List membership = is open; please join at = https://www.iab.org/mailman/listinfo/stackevo-discuss Thanks, cheers, Brian Trammell (IAB IP Stack Evolution Program Lead) --Apple-Mail=_006389B6-E19D-4E46-BE76-2CB7E73F72D8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJVsRcNAAoJENt3nsOmbNJcTVIH/iepa3ml9ulR2p+AEZovAh/1 lbfheo0Y9Pa3LJu1LdybNJV05ae5pC/XThoirkUfAR6/0DvGjfLD3Msiyd/xCm/+ Ydf4Vw2yhaBtt6PkztO7O/3LXA1T25EvxI2SDhIt/o/9aH86v9e89MbmiZAIKPyn +3GE5rjg2XXZdmB+kzseYBgQHNBjK09JxDDJkcDnw25E8Vyqhq4jG951Q1KaEYm2 Q8ffrXDoeLSvcyCWHczWsF8HDLSwbdYpgaeUdVqhYskCbckE9zDJPlf7nItkXHtS w6jEGi0fhnfhpb60ZhA7d3IE8Aq3y9Ityv6fpWn+mGGj08vIKuFzBdihrjyv6/g= =GssY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_006389B6-E19D-4E46-BE76-2CB7E73F72D8-- From nobody Wed Jul 29 08:45:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF821A8854 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 08:45:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.912 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.912 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ul80Nw1E8sF9 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 08:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trammell.ch (trammell.ch [5.148.172.66]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04DCA1A8A5E for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 08:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:67c:10ec:2a49:8000::b9] (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:10ec:2a49:8000::b9]) by trammell.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DA7791A001C for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 17:44:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Brian Trammell X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_23E7626B-A536-45DB-BBA0-0D2F4FD13292"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 17:44:53 +0200 Message-Id: <8F4463DE-B9B9-4CF8-A80D-59F69E536D39@trammell.ch> To: hops@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Archived-At: Subject: [hops] DRAFT minutes posted X-BeenThere: hops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Measuring deployability of new transport protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 15:45:02 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_23E7626B-A536-45DB-BBA0-0D2F4FD13292 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greetings, all, We've posted draft minutes of the HOPSRG meeting at = https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-hopsrg -- please = have a look and direct any requests for change or clarification to us. Many, many thanks to Tommy Pauly for the excellent notetaking, and to = all for an interesting and productive meeting in Prague! Cheers, Brian and Mirja --Apple-Mail=_23E7626B-A536-45DB-BBA0-0D2F4FD13292 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJVuPT1AAoJENt3nsOmbNJciDUH/RBxe0nDOiZh0V0CDJXHNgvo kHK6g9k7Pdo6LXXOxbX7vn9XUta6LRpswHhV1xz4GvsDR3i22eV6UWf7y2K+2JSx XqnrwMM+dqNGSXSKcI0d14RWgpZl/7y/ZS/c/QClJa0z5eg/Nn7MrSbM9dPNVDNi +hY7i69BNGEieiP84ljLEeJ7jVTWUcqHi2u58CuyKShTxka7wszXYdpo7QaHqSvS tQ33KKCQhbyEvL24xZFo3tjSIIIWrMwXtiymTDAcaNPUmiqmsM6qLDHkR9pqiqpj ESOfkZq+h+F2f0bXqkPwDbhnzuqNMJrHwSacYlPe2uPjgQa2q1CmmvriQQBJJMI= =Ag3F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_23E7626B-A536-45DB-BBA0-0D2F4FD13292--