From nobody Sat Oct 10 01:24:35 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5141A6F90 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 01:24:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r0O0QwNq7UkD for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 01:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.ee.ethz.ch (smtp.ee.ethz.ch [129.132.2.219]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0EC941A6F68 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 01:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.ee.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD82D9309; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:24:31 +0200 (MEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new on smtp.ee.ethz.ch Received: from smtp.ee.ethz.ch ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (.ee.ethz.ch [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id iUd2+cE4Kbrp; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:24:31 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [192.168.178.33] (x5f700f09.dyn.telefonica.de [95.112.15.9]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mirjak) by smtp.ee.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 34C75D9305; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:24:31 +0200 (MEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:24:29 +0200 Message-Id: To: hops@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Archived-At: Cc: Brian Trammell Subject: [hops] Session on Monday morning X-BeenThere: hops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Measuring deployability of new transport protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 08:24:34 -0000 Hi all, we will have a 2.5h meeting Monday morning: hopsrg Session 1 (2:30:00) Monday, Morning Session I 0900-1130 Room Name: Room 303 size: 200 =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94= =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2= =80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94 That=E2=80=99s good because that means there will be some people from = the Saturday=E2=80=99s RAIM workshop that will be able to also attend = the hops meeting. We are already in contact with a couple of people to presentation data = and measurements techniques for middlebox detection. We will try and = post a preliminary agenda as soon as possible! If you have also something interesting to present in the scope of hops, = please let us know now! Brian & Mirja From nobody Wed Oct 14 02:49:36 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6AA1B2D3D for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 02:49:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.041 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.041 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_AT=0.424, HOST_EQ_AT=0.745, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FKMDKSOE0gAD for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 02:49:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.zserv.tuwien.ac.at (mail1.zserv.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.35.37]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 248E51B2D37 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 02:49:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.131.67.239] (jason.nt.tuwien.ac.at [128.131.67.239]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail1.zserv.tuwien.ac.at (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t9E9nUcM010166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 14 Oct 2015 11:49:30 +0200 To: hops@ietf.org From: Joachim Fabini X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <561E2529.4090704@tuwien.ac.at> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 11:49:29 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [hops] Hops (history rewinded) X-BeenThere: hops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Measuring deployability of new transport protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:49:35 -0000 All, working on an update draft for RFC2330 (ippm measurements, approved back in 1998!) I stumbled over a paragraph that fits into the context of hops (RFC 2330, page 30, second paragraph): "A closely related note: it would be very useful to know if a given Internet component treats equally a class C of different types of packets. If so, then any one of those types of packets can be used for subsequent measurement of the component. This suggests we devise a metric or suite of metrics that attempt to determine C." Reads like a draft abstract of hops (not exactly, but very close). Written more than 17 years ago. See you in Yokohama Joachim From nobody Sat Oct 17 02:03:09 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: hops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: hops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D67F1A9136 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 02:03:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z5DGEClQ-XcN for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 02:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.ee.ethz.ch (smtp.ee.ethz.ch [129.132.2.219]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCB261A9134 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 02:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.ee.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DCC3D9307; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 11:03:02 +0200 (MEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new on smtp.ee.ethz.ch Received: from smtp.ee.ethz.ch ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (.ee.ethz.ch [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id vm1tbC7hPsEc; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 11:03:02 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [192.168.178.33] (x4d02eeda.dyn.telefonica.de [77.2.238.218]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mirjak) by smtp.ee.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1DE7DD9303; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 11:03:02 +0200 (MEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 11:03:01 +0200 Message-Id: To: hops@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Archived-At: Cc: Brian Trammell Subject: [hops] Draft agenda X-BeenThere: hops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Measuring deployability of new transport protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 09:03:06 -0000 Hi all, We=E2=80=99ve uploaded a draft agenda: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/94/agenda/hopsrg/ We believe that this already looks like an interesting meeting! = Hopefully to you as well! However, there is still a little time left on the agenda. Pretty sure = that we will be able to use this time for discussions on next steps. But = if there are more people who=E2=80=99d like to present their work/data = on middlebox impairments, we can probably find time. So just let us = know, if you have something else! Otherwise, see you in Yokohama! Brian & Mirja=