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>From <https://listsw3org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2015OctDec/0539html>:

-- Section 91 --
The third paragraph assumes that system ports are inherently more secure
than user ports, and, as discussion during the development of RFC 6335
raised, that hasn't been the case for some time  Many systems no longer
make a distinction, and no longet require root authority to listen on
system ports

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<p>From <a href="https://listsw3org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2015OctDec/0539html">https://listsw3org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2015OctDec/0539html</a>:</p>

<p>-- Section 91 --<br>
The third paragraph assumes that system ports are inherently more secure<br>
than user ports, and, as discussion during the development of RFC 6335<br>
raised, that hasn't been the case for some time  Many systems no longer<br>
make a distinction, and no longet require root authority to listen on<br>
system ports</p>

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This would be addressed by https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/134

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<p>This would be addressed by <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/134" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/134" data-id="127833138" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#134</a></p>

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Closed #130.

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Opened #139 to track one remaining issue.

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Merged #134.

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<p>Merged <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/134" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/134" data-id="127833138" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#134</a>.</p>

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Merged #143.

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When an attacker has the ability to:

1) inject a HTTP header in any response from an origin
2) listen to a port on the same host

they can effectively hijack the origin, for browsers that implement OppSec.

E.g., someone on a shared Web host that also offers shell access.

Previously, Alt-Svc used the port number as a way to mitigate this; however, in #139 we dropped that, because on many systems this is no longer a meaningful way to segment privileged applications. 

In discussion, it was suggested that the origin should opt into OppSec explicitly, e.g., with a `.well-known` file. 

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<p>When an attacker has the ability to:</p>

<p>1) inject a HTTP header in any response from an origin<br>
2) listen to a port on the same host</p>

<p>they can effectively hijack the origin, for browsers that implement OppSec.</p>

<p>E.g., someone on a shared Web host that also offers shell access.</p>

<p>Previously, Alt-Svc used the port number as a way to mitigate this; however, in <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/139" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/139" data-id="131019094" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#139</a> we dropped that, because on many systems this is no longer a meaningful way to segment privileged applications. </p>

<p>In discussion, it was suggested that the origin should opt into OppSec explicitly, e.g., with a <code>.well-known</code> file. </p>

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[Section 5](https://httpwg.github.io/http-extensions/encryption.html#http-tls) roughly sketches the `HTTP-TLS` header. 

We need to decide if this should be included (is it implemented?).

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<p><a href="https://httpwg.github.io/http-extensions/encryption.html#http-tls">Section 5</a> roughly sketches the <code>HTTP-TLS</code> header. </p>

<p>We need to decide if this should be included (is it implemented?).</p>

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Not Cool -- changing links makes the Web sad :(

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<p>Not Cool -- changing links makes the Web sad :(</p>

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Is there anything that needs to change in OppSec here?

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<p>Is there anything that needs to change in OppSec here?</p>

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<p>Merged <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/147" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/147" data-id="131961665" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#147</a>.</p>

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Merged #137.

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<p>Merged <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/137" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/137" data-id="129478089" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#137</a>.</p>

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I still need to double-check the examples, but I won't be able to do that for a while now.  Stupid travel.  Might as well make progress at least.

Thanks for putting this all together @beverloo.

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<p>I still need to double-check the examples, but I won't be able to do that for a while now.  Stupid travel.  Might as well make progress at least.</p>

<p>Thanks for putting this all together <a href="https://github.com/beverloo" class="user-mention">@beverloo</a>.</p>

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@timbray I see the spec is now in AUTH48; are you going to make this change?

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<p><a href="https://github.com/timbray" class="user-mention">@timbray</a> I see the spec is now in AUTH48; are you going to make this change?</p>

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Brought up in LC, <http://www.w3.org/mid/20160209182822.C37A959F@welho-filter2.welho.com>.

1. Examples contain h2c, although this document implies that's not allowed

2. Examples should clarify that even on the same host, by default we don't allow h2c

3. Do we need to define "reasonable assurances" more tightly, e.g., by requiring something to update this document?

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<p>Brought up in LC, <a href="http://www.w3.org/mid/20160209182822.C37A959F@welho-filter2.welho.com">http://www.w3.org/mid/20160209182822.C37A959F@welho-filter2.welho.com</a>.</p>

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<li><p>Examples contain h2c, although this document implies that's not allowed</p></li>
<li><p>Examples should clarify that even on the same host, by default we don't allow h2c</p></li>
<li><p>Do we need to define "reasonable assurances" more tightly, e.g., by requiring something to update this document?</p></li>
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Thinking about this a bit more. We could introduce limited operators. E.g., we could specify when another header's portion of the key should be discarded.

Taking the example above and adding the calculated secondary cache key:

`Key: DPR;partition=1.2, Save-Data;match=1`

* DPR < 1.2, Save-Data = 1	`0:1`
* DPR < 1.2, Save-Data != 1	`0:0`
* DPR > 1.2, Save-Data = 1	`1:1`
* DPR > 1.2, Save-Data != 1	`1:0`

We could at least make 1 and three equivalent like this:

`Key: DPR;partition=1.2, Save-Data;match=1;discard=1:DPR`

* DPR < 1.2, Save-Data = 1	`:1`
* DPR < 1.2, Save-Data != 1	`0:0`
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* DPR > 1.2, Save-Data != 1	`1:0`

because `discard=1:DPR` tells us to discard the `DPR` portion of the key if `Save-Data`'s post-processing value is `1`.

This would need some massaging, of course, and it wouldn't be able to express all of the interdependencies between headers (notice that the second case is still a distinct cache entry). However, it would help avoid a complete combinetric cache explosion.

I'm torn as to whether this is a good idea; Ilya could be right that in complex situations, we'll just fiddle request header semantics and/or synthesise new headers with ServiceWorker (although it'd be a great pity to use SW just for that, I think). 

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<p>Thinking about this a bit more. We could introduce limited operators. E.g., we could specify when another header's portion of the key should be discarded.</p>

<p>Taking the example above and adding the calculated secondary cache key:</p>

<p><code>Key: DPR;partition=1.2, Save-Data;match=1</code></p>

<ul>
<li>DPR &lt; 1.2, Save-Data = 1  <code>0:1</code>
</li>
<li>DPR &lt; 1.2, Save-Data != 1 <code>0:0</code>
</li>
<li>DPR &gt; 1.2, Save-Data = 1  <code>1:1</code>
</li>
<li>DPR &gt; 1.2, Save-Data != 1 <code>1:0</code>
</li>
</ul>

<p>We could at least make 1 and three equivalent like this:</p>

<p><code>Key: DPR;partition=1.2, Save-Data;match=1;discard=1:DPR</code></p>

<ul>
<li>DPR &lt; 1.2, Save-Data = 1  <code>:1</code>
</li>
<li>DPR &lt; 1.2, Save-Data != 1 <code>0:0</code>
</li>
<li>DPR &gt; 1.2, Save-Data = 1  <code>:1</code>
</li>
<li>DPR &gt; 1.2, Save-Data != 1 <code>1:0</code>
</li>
</ul>

<p>because <code>discard=1:DPR</code> tells us to discard the <code>DPR</code> portion of the key if <code>Save-Data</code>'s post-processing value is <code>1</code>.</p>

<p>This would need some massaging, of course, and it wouldn't be able to express all of the interdependencies between headers (notice that the second case is still a distinct cache entry). However, it would help avoid a complete combinetric cache explosion.</p>

<p>I'm torn as to whether this is a good idea; Ilya could be right that in complex situations, we'll just fiddle request header semantics and/or synthesise new headers with ServiceWorker (although it'd be a great pity to use SW just for that, I think). </p>

<p>WDYT?</p>

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> DPR < 1.2, Save-Data = 1 :1
> DPR < 1.2, Save-Data != 1 0:0
> DPR > 1.2, Save-Data = 1 :1
> DPR > 1.2, Save-Data != 1 1:0

That's better than before, but I suspect that for this use case the desired outcome is:
* DPR < 1.2, Save-Data = 1: 1x
* DPR < 1.2, Save-Data != 1: 1x
* DPR > 1.2, Save-Data = 1: 1x
* DPR > 1.2, Save-Data != 1: 2x

So, adding `discard` improves things and reduces unnecessary cache explosion, but doesn't eliminate it.

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<p>DPR &lt; 1.2, Save-Data = 1 :1<br>
DPR &lt; 1.2, Save-Data != 1 0:0<br>
DPR &gt; 1.2, Save-Data = 1 :1<br>
DPR &gt; 1.2, Save-Data != 1 1:0</p>
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<p>That's better than before, but I suspect that for this use case the desired outcome is:</p>

<ul>
<li>DPR &lt; 1.2, Save-Data = 1: 1x</li>
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<li>DPR &gt; 1.2, Save-Data = 1: 1x</li>
<li>DPR &gt; 1.2, Save-Data != 1: 2x</li>
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<p>So, adding <code>discard</code> improves things and reduces unnecessary cache explosion, but doesn't eliminate it.</p>

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Yep. I don't see a reasonable way to get to that without starting over from scratch, and making it significantly more complex. Happy if someone else can, though.

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<p>Yep. I don't see a reasonable way to get to that without starting over from scratch, and making it significantly more complex. Happy if someone else can, though.</p>

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At least for this particular scenario, the browser is not likely to change DPR values, so the cache verbosity is likely to be at the cache servers. 

Cache servers could avoid storing multiple instances of the same resource by having a 2-step lookup, where lookup-name=>content-hash=>resource-contents so that multiple lookup-names can lead to the same resource-contents if they have the same content-hash.

So, if this is the only example we can come up with, maybe we should punt this issue until we see more usage in the wild and/or come up with more use cases?

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<p>At least for this particular scenario, the browser is not likely to change DPR values, so the cache verbosity is likely to be at the cache servers. </p>

<p>Cache servers could avoid storing multiple instances of the same resource by having a 2-step lookup, where lookup-name=&gt;content-hash=&gt;resource-contents so that multiple lookup-names can lead to the same resource-contents if they have the same content-hash.</p>

<p>So, if this is the only example we can come up with, maybe we should punt this issue until we see more usage in the wild and/or come up with more use cases?</p>

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I think we can address the "notes" issue by changing the "note that" language -- this isn't really a note in the sense that it's a callout box, it's just how the sentence is structured.

It's true that the word "required" is now in there, but that's because it refers to requirements elsewhere in the document. Again, some slight rewording would address this, if it is indeed an issue.

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<p>I think we can address the "notes" issue by changing the "note that" language -- this isn't really a note in the sense that it's a callout box, it's just how the sentence is structured.</p>

<p>It's true that the word "required" is now in there, but that's because it refers to requirements elsewhere in the document. Again, some slight rewording would address this, if it is indeed an issue.</p>

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  https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/149

-- Commit Summary --

  * harmonize boilerplate

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-httpbis-cookie-prefixes.md (11)

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https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/149.patch
https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/149.diff

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<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href='https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/149'>https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/149</a></p>

<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>harmonize boilerplate</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/149/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-httpbis-cookie-prefixes.md</a>
    (11)
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<h4>Patch Links:</h4>
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  <li><a href='https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/149.patch'>https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/149.patch</a></li>
  <li><a href='https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/149.diff'>https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/149.diff</a></li>
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