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Merged #149.

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<p>Merged <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/149" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/149" data-id="136297976" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#149</a>.</p>

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Closed #104.

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Closed #107 via 481e7a79cafc725c93538e60f28db49544d9eb16.

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I think IETF Review is sufficient. Its purpose is "that the document and proposed assignment will be reviewed by the IESG and appropriate IETF WGs (or experts, if suitable working groups no longer exist) to ensure that the proposed assignment will not negatively impact interoperability or otherwise extend IETF protocols in an inappropriate or damaging manner."

... which sounds about right.

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<p>I think IETF Review is sufficient. Its purpose is "that the document and proposed assignment will be reviewed by the IESG and appropriate IETF WGs (or experts, if suitable working groups no longer exist) to ensure that the proposed assignment will not negatively impact interoperability or otherwise extend IETF protocols in an inappropriate or damaging manner."</p>

<p>... which sounds about right.</p>

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Closed #33.

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<p>Closed <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/33" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/33" data-id="40955142" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#33</a>.</p>

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<p>Closing.</p>

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>  
>  ~~~ example
> -    GET /index.html HTTP/1.1
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> -    Content-Type: text/html
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> -    Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 16:20:09 GMT
> -    HTTP-TLS: ma=3600
> +{
> +  "origins": ["http://example.com:80", "http://www.example.com/:81"],
> +  "commit": "2016-03-12T12:27:00Z"

Yes, sync issues.  But certificates are similarly challenged, and I want to be able to lift one of these out of a cache.  That's a reasonable thing to do right?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/151#discussion_r55314784">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-encryption.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
&gt;  ~~~ example
&gt; -    GET /index.html HTTP/1.1
&gt; -    Host: example.com
&gt; -~~~
&gt; -
&gt; -~~~ example
&gt; -    HTTP/1.1 200 OK
&gt; -    Content-Type: text/html
&gt; -    Cache-Control: max-age=600
&gt; -    Age: 30
&gt; -    Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 16:20:09 GMT
&gt; -    HTTP-TLS: ma=3600
&gt; +{
&gt; +  &quot;origins&quot;: [&quot;http://example.com:80&quot;, &quot;http://www.example.com/:81&quot;],
&gt; +  &quot;commit&quot;: &quot;2016-03-12T12:27:00Z&quot;
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<p>Yes, sync issues.  But certificates are similarly challenged, and I want to be able to lift one of these out of a cache.  That's a reasonable thing to do right?</p>

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>  ~~~
>  
> -This header field creates a commitment from the origin {{RFC6454}} of the associated resource (in
> -the example, `http://example.com`).  For the duration of the commitment, clients SHOULD strongly
> -authenticate the server for all subsequent requests made to that origin, though this creates some
> -risks for clients (see {{pinrisks}}).
> -
> -Authentication for HTTP over TLS is described in Section 3.1 of {{RFC2818}}, noting the additional
> -requirements in Section 2.1 of {{I-D.ietf-httpbis-alt-svc}}. The header field MUST be ignored if
> -strong authentication fails; otherwise, an attacker could create a persistent denial of service by
> -falsifying a commitment.
> +The value of the `commit` member MUST be ignored unless the alternative service can be strongly
> +authenticated.  Minimum authentication requirements for HTTP over TLS are described in Section 2.1
> +of {{I-D.ietf-httpbis-alt-svc}} and Section 3.1 of {{RFC2818}}.  As noted in
> +{{I-D.ietf-httpbis-alt-svc}}, clients can impose other checks in addition to this minimum set.  For
> +instance, a client might choose to apply key pinning {{RFC7469}}.

This is the essential weirdness of this mechanism.  You don't *have* to authenticate, but you can.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/151#discussion_r55314849">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-encryption.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  ~~~
&gt;  
&gt; -This header field creates a commitment from the origin {{RFC6454}} of the associated resource (in
&gt; -the example, `http://example.com`).  For the duration of the commitment, clients SHOULD strongly
&gt; -authenticate the server for all subsequent requests made to that origin, though this creates some
&gt; -risks for clients (see {{pinrisks}}).
&gt; -
&gt; -Authentication for HTTP over TLS is described in Section 3.1 of {{RFC2818}}, noting the additional
&gt; -requirements in Section 2.1 of {{I-D.ietf-httpbis-alt-svc}}. The header field MUST be ignored if
&gt; -strong authentication fails; otherwise, an attacker could create a persistent denial of service by
&gt; -falsifying a commitment.
&gt; +The value of the `commit` member MUST be ignored unless the alternative service can be strongly
&gt; +authenticated.  Minimum authentication requirements for HTTP over TLS are described in Section 2.1
&gt; +of {{I-D.ietf-httpbis-alt-svc}} and Section 3.1 of {{RFC2818}}.  As noted in
&gt; +{{I-D.ietf-httpbis-alt-svc}}, clients can impose other checks in addition to this minimum set.  For
&gt; +instance, a client might choose to apply key pinning {{RFC7469}}.
</pre>
<p>This is the essential weirdness of this mechanism.  You don't <em>have</em> to authenticate, but you can.</p>

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> -    Content-Type: text/html
> -    Cache-Control: max-age=600
> -    Age: 30
> -    Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 16:20:09 GMT
> -    HTTP-TLS: ma=3600
> +{
> +  "origins": ["http://example.com:80", "http://www.example.com/:81"],
> +  "commit": "2016-03-12T12:27:00Z"

I was assuming that a typical case would be just wanting to try it out by assigning a relatively short commitment period.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/151#discussion_r55316758">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-encryption.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
&gt;  ~~~ example
&gt; -    GET /index.html HTTP/1.1
&gt; -    Host: example.com
&gt; -~~~
&gt; -
&gt; -~~~ example
&gt; -    HTTP/1.1 200 OK
&gt; -    Content-Type: text/html
&gt; -    Cache-Control: max-age=600
&gt; -    Age: 30
&gt; -    Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 16:20:09 GMT
&gt; -    HTTP-TLS: ma=3600
&gt; +{
&gt; +  &quot;origins&quot;: [&quot;http://example.com:80&quot;, &quot;http://www.example.com/:81&quot;],
&gt; +  &quot;commit&quot;: &quot;2016-03-12T12:27:00Z&quot;
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<p>I was assuming that a typical case would be just wanting to try it out by assigning a relatively short commitment period.</p>

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And lo, relativism became ascendant.

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<p>And lo, relativism became ascendant.</p>

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Which makes this section quite hard to follow.

http://httpwg.org/http-extensions/client-hints.html#iana-considerations

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<p>Which makes this section quite hard to follow.</p>

<p><a href="http://httpwg.org/http-extensions/client-hints.html#iana-considerations">http://httpwg.org/http-extensions/client-hints.html#iana-considerations</a></p>

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I expect that some service workers might either request full versions of resources because they want to provide the full experience offline, or leaner versions so that they can save space.

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<p>I expect that some service workers might either request full versions of resources because they want to provide the full experience offline, or leaner versions so that they can save space.</p>

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Merged #151.

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The spec currently says that if a server sends `Accept-CH: DPR`, then the `DPR` header should be added "to all subsequent requests".

However it is (as far as I can tell) completely undefined what a "subsequent request" is. Does it affect only future requests to the server which sent the `Accept-CH` header? If the header is sent with the response during a document load, does it affect all requests coming from that document, no matter which server the request goes to?

Generally speaking, if a CDN which servers images has to send a `Accept-CH: DPR` header before it will receive any `DPR` headers, that means that the first image will have to be served without DPR information. This seems unfortunate since ideally the first image that a page loads is the most important image.

A better solution is that when a browser loads a "document" and receives a `Accept-CH` header in the response, that header would affect all the requests that are made from that document, no matter which server the request is going to. If desired, in the future we could add more complex syntax to `Accept-CH` which enables opting in to certain CH headers only for certain servers and/or only for certain resource types.

We could also add a header which enables a server to opt in to getting specific CH headers for all future requests to that same server. To for example allow an image server to opt in to certain headers even if the document-serving server has not yet adopted the `Accept-CH` header. But I'm not sure how popular such a solution would be given first-load the problem mentioned above.

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<p>The spec currently says that if a server sends <code>Accept-CH: DPR</code>, then the <code>DPR</code> header should be added "to all subsequent requests".</p>

<p>However it is (as far as I can tell) completely undefined what a "subsequent request" is. Does it affect only future requests to the server which sent the <code>Accept-CH</code> header? If the header is sent with the response during a document load, does it affect all requests coming from that document, no matter which server the request goes to?</p>

<p>Generally speaking, if a CDN which servers images has to send a <code>Accept-CH: DPR</code> header before it will receive any <code>DPR</code> headers, that means that the first image will have to be served without DPR information. This seems unfortunate since ideally the first image that a page loads is the most important image.</p>

<p>A better solution is that when a browser loads a "document" and receives a <code>Accept-CH</code> header in the response, that header would affect all the requests that are made from that document, no matter which server the request is going to. If desired, in the future we could add more complex syntax to <code>Accept-CH</code> which enables opting in to certain CH headers only for certain servers and/or only for certain resource types.</p>

<p>We could also add a header which enables a server to opt in to getting specific CH headers for all future requests to that same server. To for example allow an image server to opt in to certain headers even if the document-serving server has not yet adopted the <code>Accept-CH</code> header. But I'm not sure how popular such a solution would be given first-load the problem mentioned above.</p>

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The spec currently says that clients should send CH headers "based on their default settings, user configuration and/or preferences". This needs to be more precisely defined in order to not cause interoperability problems between browsers.

I know that there's a tension between not sending too much header data which is commonly not used by servers, thus wasting bandwidth, while also sending enough information that servers can optimize their responses. However leaving the decision out of the spec and up to clients, doesn't make the problem simpler, it just pushes it onto someone else.

What I propose is the following:
For "document" loads, i.e. when browsers make the request during navigation, send the information which is typically needed for websites to determine what markup to serve. So things that let the server choose which version of a responsive-design page to serve first. I'd think this includes things like "viewport-width", "downlink" and "save-data". (We might also want to send other information like, is the device touch-enabled, but that's a separate discussion I think).

For non-"document" loads, serve no CH headers by default and instead let the "document" response opt in to which headers should be served for the non-"document" requests within that document. See also issue #155.


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<p>The spec currently says that clients should send CH headers "based on their default settings, user configuration and/or preferences". This needs to be more precisely defined in order to not cause interoperability problems between browsers.</p>

<p>I know that there's a tension between not sending too much header data which is commonly not used by servers, thus wasting bandwidth, while also sending enough information that servers can optimize their responses. However leaving the decision out of the spec and up to clients, doesn't make the problem simpler, it just pushes it onto someone else.</p>

<p>What I propose is the following:<br>
For "document" loads, i.e. when browsers make the request during navigation, send the information which is typically needed for websites to determine what markup to serve. So things that let the server choose which version of a responsive-design page to serve first. I'd think this includes things like "viewport-width", "downlink" and "save-data". (We might also want to send other information like, is the device touch-enabled, but that's a separate discussion I think).</p>

<p>For non-"document" loads, serve no CH headers by default and instead let the "document" response opt in to which headers should be served for the non-"document" requests within that document. See also issue <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/155" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/155" data-id="140096510" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#155</a>.</p>

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Second round on this one, small tweaks and a small amount of restructuring.
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  * Refining the framing of the commitment

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    M draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-encryption.md (73)

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<p>Second round on this one, small tweaks and a small amount of restructuring.</p>

<hr>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Refining the framing of the commitment</li>
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    <strong>M</strong>
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>  contacted. Effectively, this makes the choice to use a secured protocol "sticky".
>  
>  
>  ## Opportunistic Commitment
>  
> -An insecure origin can commit to providing a secured alternative by including a `commit` member in
> -the http-opportunistic well-known resource (see {{well-known}}), whose value is a number
> -representing an interval in seconds.
> +An origin can reduce the risk of attacks on opportunistically secured connections by committing to
> +provide an secured, authenticated alternative service. This is done by including the optional
> +`commit` member in the http-opportunistic well-known resource (see {{well-known}}). This feature is
> +optional due to the requirement for server authentication and the potential risk entailed (see
> +{{pinrisks}}).
> +
> +The value of the `commit` member is the duration of the commitment interval in seconds.

Saying it's a number clarifies what JSON is expected; perhaps "JSON number [ref]"

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/157#discussion_r55795409">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-encryption.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  contacted. Effectively, this makes the choice to use a secured protocol &quot;sticky&quot;.
&gt;  
&gt;  
&gt;  ## Opportunistic Commitment
&gt;  
&gt; -An insecure origin can commit to providing a secured alternative by including a `commit` member in
&gt; -the http-opportunistic well-known resource (see {{well-known}}), whose value is a number
&gt; -representing an interval in seconds.
&gt; +An origin can reduce the risk of attacks on opportunistically secured connections by committing to
&gt; +provide an secured, authenticated alternative service. This is done by including the optional
&gt; +`commit` member in the http-opportunistic well-known resource (see {{well-known}}). This feature is
&gt; +optional due to the requirement for server authentication and the potential risk entailed (see
&gt; +{{pinrisks}}).
&gt; +
&gt; +The value of the `commit` member is the duration of the commitment interval in seconds.
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<p>Saying it's a number clarifies what JSON is expected; perhaps "JSON number [ref]"</p>

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>  
>  The value of the `commit` member MUST be ignored unless the alternative service can be strongly
> -authenticated.  Minimum authentication requirements for HTTP over TLS are described in Section 2.1
> -of {{I-D.ietf-httpbis-alt-svc}} and Section 3.1 of {{RFC2818}}.  As noted in
> -{{I-D.ietf-httpbis-alt-svc}}, clients can impose other checks in addition to this minimum set.  For
> +authenticated. The same requirements that apply to `https://` resources SHOULD be applied to

I'm concerned that this is going to confuse people -- *which* same requirements?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/157#discussion_r55795466">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-encryption.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
&gt;  The value of the `commit` member MUST be ignored unless the alternative service can be strongly
&gt; -authenticated.  Minimum authentication requirements for HTTP over TLS are described in Section 2.1
&gt; -of {{I-D.ietf-httpbis-alt-svc}} and Section 3.1 of {{RFC2818}}.  As noted in
&gt; -{{I-D.ietf-httpbis-alt-svc}}, clients can impose other checks in addition to this minimum set.  For
&gt; +authenticated. The same requirements that apply to `https://` resources SHOULD be applied to
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>  instance, a client might choose to apply key pinning {{RFC7469}}.
>  
> -If a client is able to obtain a valid http-opportunistic resource (as per {{well-known}})
> -containing a `commit` member and a strongly authenticated alternative service is available, it can
> -assume that such an alternative will remain available for the indicated number of seconds past the
> -current time, less the current age of the http-opportunistic response (as defined in Section 4.2.3
> -of {{RFC7234}}). A client SHOULD NOT fall back to cleartext protocols prior to that interval
> -elapsing. Note however that relying on a commitment creates some potential operational hazards (see
> -{{pinrisks}}).
> +A client that receives a commitment and that successfully authenticates the alternative service can
> +assume that a secured alternative will remain available for the commitment interval. The commitment
> +interval starts when the commitment is received and authenticated and runs for a number of seconds
> +equal to value of the `commit` member, less the current age of the http-opportunistic response (as
> +defined in Section 4.2.3 of {{RFC7234}}. A client SHOULD avoid sending requests via cleartext

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/157#discussion_r55795575">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-encryption.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  instance, a client might choose to apply key pinning {{RFC7469}}.
&gt;  
&gt; -If a client is able to obtain a valid http-opportunistic resource (as per {{well-known}})
&gt; -containing a `commit` member and a strongly authenticated alternative service is available, it can
&gt; -assume that such an alternative will remain available for the indicated number of seconds past the
&gt; -current time, less the current age of the http-opportunistic response (as defined in Section 4.2.3
&gt; -of {{RFC7234}}). A client SHOULD NOT fall back to cleartext protocols prior to that interval
&gt; -elapsing. Note however that relying on a commitment creates some potential operational hazards (see
&gt; -{{pinrisks}}).
&gt; +A client that receives a commitment and that successfully authenticates the alternative service can
&gt; +assume that a secured alternative will remain available for the commitment interval. The commitment
&gt; +interval starts when the commitment is received and authenticated and runs for a number of seconds
&gt; +equal to value of the `commit` member, less the current age of the http-opportunistic response (as
&gt; +defined in Section 4.2.3 of {{RFC7234}}. A client SHOULD avoid sending requests via cleartext
</pre>
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Thanks to @beverloo for identifying the bug in my code that caused this to take so long.
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/158

-- Commit Summary --

  * Indent
  * Include label in the list
  * Adding leading explanation
  * Making compress+encrypt example slightly more plausible
  * Moving explanation up front, fixing length
  * Fixing explicit key example
  * Adding example with multiple records
  * Adding example with authentication secret
  * Fixing JWE example

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    M draft-ietf-httpbis-encryption-encoding.md (104)

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<p>Thanks to <a href="https://github.com/beverloo" class="user-mention">@beverloo</a> for identifying the bug in my code that caused this to take so long.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
<ul>
  <li>Indent</li>
  <li>Include label in the list</li>
  <li>Adding leading explanation</li>
  <li>Making compress+encrypt example slightly more plausible</li>
  <li>Moving explanation up front, fixing length</li>
  <li>Fixing explicit key example</li>
  <li>Adding example with multiple records</li>
  <li>Adding example with authentication secret</li>
  <li>Fixing JWE example</li>
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  <li>
    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/158/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-httpbis-encryption-encoding.md</a>
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  <li><a href='https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/158.diff'>https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/158.diff</a></li>
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> @@ -359,13 +359,13 @@ header field.
>  
>  aesgcm:
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> -: The "aesgcm" parameter contains the URL-safe base64 [RFC4648] octets of the
> -input keying material.
> +: The "aesgcm" parameter contains the URL and filename safe base64 [RFC4648]
> +  octets of the input keying material with padding removed.

Well, it turns out that '=' is an invalid character unless you quote the string.  I think that we should be strict here.  I believe that Firefox is, but I could be wrong about that.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/158#discussion_r56095628">draft-ietf-httpbis-encryption-encoding.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -359,13 +359,13 @@ header field.
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&gt;  aesgcm:
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&gt; -: The &quot;aesgcm&quot; parameter contains the URL-safe base64 [RFC4648] octets of the
&gt; -input keying material.
&gt; +: The &quot;aesgcm&quot; parameter contains the URL and filename safe base64 [RFC4648]
&gt; +  octets of the input keying material with padding removed.
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<p>Well, it turns out that '=' is an invalid character unless you quote the string.  I think that we should be strict here.  I believe that Firefox is, but I could be wrong about that.</p>

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> @@ -359,13 +359,13 @@ header field.
>  
>  aesgcm:
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> -: The "aesgcm" parameter contains the URL-safe base64 [RFC4648] octets of the
> -input keying material.
> +: The "aesgcm" parameter contains the URL and filename safe base64 [RFC4648]
> +  octets of the input keying material with padding removed.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/158#discussion_r56160068">draft-ietf-httpbis-encryption-encoding.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -359,13 +359,13 @@ header field.
&gt;  
&gt;  aesgcm:
&gt;  
&gt; -: The &quot;aesgcm&quot; parameter contains the URL-safe base64 [RFC4648] octets of the
&gt; -input keying material.
&gt; +: The &quot;aesgcm&quot; parameter contains the URL and filename safe base64 [RFC4648]
&gt; +  octets of the input keying material with padding removed.
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<p>I'll change Chrome to play ball then.</p>

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> @@ -598,6 +629,28 @@ added for presentation purposes only.
>  ~~~
>  
>  
> +## Diffie-Hellman with Authentication Secret {#ex-authSecret}
> +
> +This example shows the same receiver key pair from {{ex-dh}}, but with a shared
> +authentication secret of "R29vIGdvbyBnJyBqb29iIQ".
> +
> +~~~
> +HTTP/1.1 200 OK
> +Content-Length: 33
> +Content-Encoding: aesgcm
> +Encryption: keyid="dhkey"; salt="lngarbyKfMoi9Z75xYXmkg"
> +Crypto-Key: keyid="dhkey";
> +                dh="BNoRDbb84JGm8g5Z5CFxurSqsXWJ11ItfXEWYVLE85Y7
> +                    CYkDjXsIEc4aqxYaQ1G8BqkXCJ6DPpDrWtdWj_mugHU"
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> +6nqAQUME8hNqw5J3kl8cpVVJylXKYqZOeseZG8UueKpA

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/158#discussion_r56160125">draft-ietf-httpbis-encryption-encoding.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -598,6 +629,28 @@ added for presentation purposes only.
&gt;  ~~~
&gt;  
&gt;  
&gt; +## Diffie-Hellman with Authentication Secret {#ex-authSecret}
&gt; +
&gt; +This example shows the same receiver key pair from {{ex-dh}}, but with a shared
&gt; +authentication secret of &quot;R29vIGdvbyBnJyBqb29iIQ&quot;.
&gt; +
&gt; +~~~
&gt; +HTTP/1.1 200 OK
&gt; +Content-Length: 33
&gt; +Content-Encoding: aesgcm
&gt; +Encryption: keyid=&quot;dhkey&quot;; salt=&quot;lngarbyKfMoi9Z75xYXmkg&quot;
&gt; +Crypto-Key: keyid=&quot;dhkey&quot;;
&gt; +                dh=&quot;BNoRDbb84JGm8g5Z5CFxurSqsXWJ11ItfXEWYVLE85Y7
&gt; +                    CYkDjXsIEc4aqxYaQ1G8BqkXCJ6DPpDrWtdWj_mugHU&quot;
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&gt; +6nqAQUME8hNqw5J3kl8cpVVJylXKYqZOeseZG8UueKpA
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As a part of discussion in whatwg/html#804 I've made a [research](http://inikulin.github.io/cookie-compat/) of the modern browsers compatibility with the RFC 6265. It appears that all browsers nowadays allows cookies without key or (in case of Safari) without value, thus making it de facto standard. However, it's debatable how cookies like `foo;` should be treated: as the cookie without value or without key. Thinking of cookie jar as some kind of key/value store makes it more logical to treat such cookie as cookies without value, but on the other hand currently most implementers treats them as the cookies with the special empty key.

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<p>As a part of discussion in <a href="https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/804" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/804" data-id="138575460" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">whatwg/html#804</a> I've made a <a href="http://inikulin.github.io/cookie-compat/">research</a> of the modern browsers compatibility with the RFC 6265. It appears that all browsers nowadays allows cookies without key or (in case of Safari) without value, thus making it de facto standard. However, it's debatable how cookies like <code>foo;</code> should be treated: as the cookie without value or without key. Thinking of cookie jar as some kind of key/value store makes it more logical to treat such cookie as cookies without value, but on the other hand currently most implementers treats them as the cookies with the special empty key.</p>

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Closed #67.

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<p>Closed <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/67" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/67" data-id="72189273" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#67</a>.</p>

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There's a fair bit of overlap with #161 -- likely the same ultimate text change to resolve -- but I think the points are slightly different.

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<p>There's a fair bit of overlap with <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/161" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/161" data-id="141989669" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#161</a> -- likely the same ultimate text change to resolve -- but I think the points are slightly different.</p>

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Not hearing a strong demand for this. Closing. We can reopen if and when that changes.

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<p>Not hearing a strong demand for this. Closing. We can reopen if and when that changes.</p>

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Closed #153 via a1f0946b55c1924ac5afa4eb59a0fd600ea06980.

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@mnot in https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/104#issuecomment-187447282, I thought we were referring to the case of "orthogonal hints" (https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/104#issuecomment-161842062). FWIW, I do think the earlier suggestion of substr (in https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/104#issuecomment-157212831) is something we should support, as I've heard many requests for this -- e.g. the user-agent case, cookies, etc. That said, perhaps we should open a separate bug for that?
 

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<p><a href="https://github.com/mnot" class="user-mention">@mnot</a> in <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/104#issuecomment-187447282" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/104" data-id="112073061" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#104 (comment)</a>, I thought we were referring to the case of "orthogonal hints" (<a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/104#issuecomment-161842062" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/104" data-id="112073061" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#104 (comment)</a>). FWIW, I do think the earlier suggestion of substr (in <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/104#issuecomment-157212831" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/104
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Yes, that seems like a good approach. And yes, CH needs to define how to parse and set the "client hints policy". Or at least some spec needs to before CH is implementable.

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<p>Yes, that seems like a good approach. And yes, CH needs to define how to parse and set the "client hints policy". Or at least some spec needs to before CH is implementable.</p>

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So, Fetch gets updated every time a new hint is defined?

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<p>So, Fetch gets updated every time a new hint is defined?</p>

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Do we have an easy way of identifying them as hints so that it would be unnecessary to do that?

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<p>Do we have an easy way of identifying them as hints so that it would be unnecessary to do that?</p>

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I think it's OK if every time we create a new hint, we update Fetch (based on the anticipated number / volume).

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<p>I think it's OK if every time we create a new hint, we update Fetch (based on the anticipated number / volume).</p>

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In which case, the remaining question is: @annevk are you comfortable (re, https://github.com/whatwg/fetch/pull/258) with integrating this as part of Fetch? I'm happy to draft the update. Alternatively, I guess I can try and monkey patch it from CH spec, but that's far less appealing..

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<p>In which case, the remaining question is: <a href="https://github.com/annevk" class="user-mention">@annevk</a> are you comfortable (re, <a href="https://github.com/whatwg/fetch/pull/258" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/whatwg/fetch/issues/258" data-id="142716458" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">whatwg/fetch#258</a>) with integrating this as part of Fetch? I'm happy to draft the update. Alternatively, I guess I can try and monkey patch it from CH spec, but that's far less appealing..</p>

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Yeah, I am. It seems @hsivonen still has concerns with this entire feature, but if Mozilla will ship regardless (?) it sounds like that would be a good way to define all the edge cases here.

Another way to do this would be to patch the HTML Standard to set these headers as appropriate. Though the HTML Standard, especially the navigate algorithm, still needs some work done so perhaps it's better to use Fetch (at least for now).

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<p>Yeah, I am. It seems <a href="https://github.com/hsivonen" class="user-mention">@hsivonen</a> still has concerns with this entire feature, but if Mozilla will ship regardless (?) it sounds like that would be a good way to define all the edge cases here.</p>

<p>Another way to do this would be to patch the HTML Standard to set these headers as appropriate. Though the HTML Standard, especially the navigate algorithm, still needs some work done so perhaps it's better to use Fetch (at least for now).</p>

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If anyone wants to follow along: https://github.com/whatwg/fetch/pull/258 -- initial run at integrating CH and Fetch.

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<p>If anyone wants to follow along: <a href="https://github.com/whatwg/fetch/pull/258" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/whatwg/fetch/issues/258" data-id="142716458" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">whatwg/fetch#258</a> -- initial run at integrating CH and Fetch.</p>

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I think that I caught everything in the first round of discussion.  There aren't any substantial changes here, but it's a PR so that others can confirm.
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-- Commit Summary --

  * DRY on active attacks
  * Expand TLS on first use
  * Avoid obvious normative language when repeating parts of other documents
  * More specific reference to authentication requirements
  * Remove extra comma
  * s/an/a
  * there is no and
  * Section reference added
  * Section link un-weirded
  * Restructuring section on confusion
  * Adding Julian to acks

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-encryption.md (51)

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<p>I think that I caught everything in the first round of discussion.  There aren't any substantial changes here, but it's a PR so that others can confirm.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>DRY on active attacks</li>
  <li>Expand TLS on first use</li>
  <li>Avoid obvious normative language when repeating parts of other documents</li>
  <li>More specific reference to authentication requirements</li>
  <li>Remove extra comma</li>
  <li>s/an/a</li>
  <li>there is no and</li>
  <li>Section reference added</li>
  <li>Section link un-weirded</li>
  <li>Restructuring section on confusion</li>
  <li>Adding Julian to acks</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/164/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-encryption.md</a>
    (51)
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