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That's probably a cultural thing...

My first name is a "double-name", which is not the same as two hyphenated names, so at least I was taught that the right punctuation was "P-H. Kamp"

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-- Commit Summary --

  * Ensure that the rules are clear regarding origins
  * Any alternative will do
  * When you revalidate, make sure that you aren't revalidating unauthenticated gunk

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    M draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-encryption.md (14)

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Ensure that the rules are clear regarding origins</li>
  <li>Any alternative will do</li>
  <li>When you revalidate, make sure that you aren&#39;t revalidating unauthenticated gunk</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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Subject: [httpwg/http-extensions] Clarify paragraph on requirements for alt-svc (#280)
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This was getting unwieldy.  Change it so that there are two musts and two supporting statements.
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Happy new year!
  * There was a long sentence here
  * the http-opportunistic response is acquired over authenticated connections (take 3)

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-httpbis-cache-digest.md (2)
    M draft-ietf-httpbis-client-hints.md (2)
    M draft-ietf-httpbis-cookie-alone.md (2)
    M draft-ietf-httpbis-cookie-prefixes.md (2)
    M draft-ietf-httpbis-cookie-same-site.md (2)
    M draft-ietf-httpbis-encryption-encoding.md (2)
    M draft-ietf-httpbis-header-structure.md (2)
    M draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-encryption.md (12)
    M draft-ietf-httpbis-key.md (2)
    M draft-ietf-httpbis-origin-frame.md (2)
    M draft-ietf-httpbis-rfc6265bis.md (2)

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<p>This was getting unwieldy.  Change it so that there are two musts and two supporting statements.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
<ul>
  <li>Happy new year!</li>
  <li>There was a long sentence here</li>
  <li>the http-opportunistic response is acquired over authenticated connections (take 3)</li>
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    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/280/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-httpbis-cache-digest.md</a>
    (2)
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    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/280/files#diff-1">draft-ietf-httpbis-client-hints.md</a>
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    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/280/files#diff-2">draft-ietf-httpbis-cookie-alone.md</a>
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    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/280/files#diff-3">draft-ietf-httpbis-cookie-prefixes.md</a>
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    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/280/files#diff-5">draft-ietf-httpbis-encryption-encoding.md</a>
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    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/280/files#diff-6">draft-ietf-httpbis-header-structure.md</a>
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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/280/files#diff-7">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-encryption.md</a>
    (12)
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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/280/files#diff-8">draft-ietf-httpbis-key.md</a>
    (2)
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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/280/files#diff-9">draft-ietf-httpbis-origin-frame.md</a>
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    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/280/files#diff-10">draft-ietf-httpbis-rfc6265bis.md</a>
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We need clear rules about whether this is OK

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<p>We need clear rules about whether this is OK</p>
<pre><code>Header: identifier;v=1;v=2
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Looks good. Couple of typos.
* "content of rs octets minus padding less padding (2-65537) and tag (16)" -- drop "minus padding"
* "a record that contains contains only padding" -- drop 1 "contains"

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<p>Looks good. Couple of typos.</p>
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<li>"content of rs octets minus padding less padding (2-65537) and tag (16)=
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After checking a few recent RFCs, I see that obsoletions are indeed usually mentioned in the abstract. Added that.

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<p>After checking a few recent RFCs, I see that obsoletions are indeed usually mentioned in the abstract. Added that.</p>

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> The examples of how to use this in header specifications needs to be deeper.

The whole of Section 4 is about that. What exactly are you missing?

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Are the following header fields considered equal or equivalent or are they different?

```
Header: value; p=pval
Header: value; p="pval"
Header: value; p="Pval"
Header: value; P="Pval"
```

Some specializations of the header syntax permit both `quoted-string` and `token` for parameter values.  If the string value after removal of quotes is the same as the token, is it the same value?

What about case folding for parameter names?  Do we do that?

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<p>Are the following header fields considered equal or equivalent or are they different?</p>
<pre><code>Header: value; p=pval
Header: value; p="pval"
Header: value; p="Pval"
Header: value; P="Pval"
</code></pre>
<p>Some specializations of the header syntax permit both <code>quoted-string</code> and <code>token</code> for parameter values.  If the string value after removal of quotes is the same as the token, is it the same value?</p>
<p>What about case folding for parameter names?  Do we do that?</p>

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1) and 2) should be the same (token vs quoted string)

3) is different

4) might be the same as 3), there are at least some pre-existing header fields that treat parameter names case-insensitively.



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That was my guess too, but the more pertinent question is: where is that written down?

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<p>That was my guess too, but the more pertinent question is: where is that written down?</p>

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We need to write it down. 

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1 more typo:

- "cannot increase the record size beyond 65537 octets" -- should be "65553" now that rs includes the tag

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<p>1 more typo:</p>
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Move to using padding that is more like TLS

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-httpbis-encryption-encoding.md (105)

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<p>Following the discussion on the list.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Move to using padding that is more like TLS</li>
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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/283/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-httpbis-encryption-encoding.md</a>
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@martinthomson pushed 1 commit.

a909729  Fix braino


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Need to change the language about the size of the last record: from MUST be shorter, to CAN be shorter (in text and diagram).

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<p>Need to change the language about the size of the last record: from MUST be shorter, to CAN be shorter (in text and diagram).</p>

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95ec643  Remove text about the final record


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@martinthomson pushed 1 commit.

0f3ff05  Fix editorial nits spotted by James


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As discussed on list, a formal requirement to see `Accept-CH` before sending hints might be desirable, to reduce fingerprinting surface.

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<p>As discussed on list, a formal requirement to see <code>Accept-CH</code> before sending hints might be desirable, to reduce fingerprinting surface.</p>

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To be clear this would both decrease fingerprinting surface (by not having clients send these hints when they're not needed -- a data minimization practice) *and* increase detectability of client fingerprinting (researchers can see that fingerprinting might be happening because of observable server behavior). I would support this requirement.

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<p>To be clear this would both decrease fingerprinting surface (by not ha=
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There is still the possibility that an embedded third-party sends the Accept-CH and uses the hints for drive-by fingerprinting. IMO UAs should ignore Accept-CH from embedded third-party sub-resources unless DNT:0 .

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Manually merged.

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@martinthomson pushed 1 commit.

35cf27c  Merge branch 'master' into reschke-patch-3


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- Relax DNS requirements when ORIGIN is received
- Change the initial origin set to just SNI
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  * - Change the initial origin set to just SNI

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    M draft-ietf-httpbis-origin-frame.md (49)

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  <li>- Change the initial origin set to just SNI</li>
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@mnot pushed 1 commit.

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> @@ -90,7 +95,7 @@ Origin:
 The ORIGIN frame defines the following flags:
 
 CLEAR (0x1):
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+: Indicates that the Origin Set MUST be reset to an empty before processing the contents of the frame it occurs upon.

an empty what?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/285#pullrequestreview-19494655">draft-ietf-httpbis-origin-frame.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -90,7 +95,7 @@ Origin:
 The ORIGIN frame defines the following flags:
 
 CLEAR (0x1):
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241ce50  missing 'set'


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Fixed in ac5a5e4, thanks

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<p>Fixed in <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/commit/ac5a5e452582d72ec1808e7fbd4049d0774696e0" class="commit-link"><tt>ac5a5e4</tt></a>, thanks</p>

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mnot commented on this pull request.



> @@ -90,7 +95,7 @@ Origin:
 The ORIGIN frame defines the following flags:
 
 CLEAR (0x1):
-: Indicates that the Origin Set MUST be reset to an empty set before processing the contents of the frame it occurs upon.
+: Indicates that the Origin Set MUST be reset to an empty before processing the contents of the frame it occurs upon.

Fixed in ac5a5e4, thanks

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<p><b>@mnot</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/285">draft-ietf-httpbis-origin-frame.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -90,7 +95,7 @@ Origin:
 The ORIGIN frame defines the following flags:
 
 CLEAR (0x1):
-: Indicates that the Origin Set MUST be reset to an empty set before processing the contents of the frame it occurs upon.
+: Indicates that the Origin Set MUST be reset to an empty before processing the contents of the frame it occurs upon.
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<p>Fixed in <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/commit/ac5a5e452582d72ec1808e7fbd4049d0774696e0" class="commit-link"><tt>ac5a5e4</tt></a>, thanks</p>

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