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kaduk approved this pull request.

This does seem to help.  The rest of the document is probably enough that we don't need to say more about proper processing of data that is identified as early.

> @@ -345,11 +345,12 @@ requests, which could result in increased load.
 
 ## Out of Order Delivery
 
-In protocols that deliver data out of order (such as QUIC {{HQ}}) early data
-can arrive after the handshake completes.  This leads to potential ambiguity
-about the status of requests and could lead to inconsistent treatment (see
+In protocols that deliver data out of order (such as QUIC {{HQ}}) early data can
+arrive after the handshake completes.  This leads to potential ambiguity about
+the status of requests and could lead to inconsistent treatment (see

Hmm, I wonder how we ended up with the gratuitous re-flowing.  (Different editors using different thresholds for which column to wrap at?)

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<p><b>@kaduk</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>This does seem to help.  The rest of the document is probably enough that we don't need to say more about proper processing of data that is identified as early.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/442#discussion_r154362393">draft-ietf-httpbis-replay.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -345,11 +345,12 @@ requests, which could result in increased load.
 
 ## Out of Order Delivery
 
-In protocols that deliver data out of order (such as QUIC {{HQ}}) early data
-can arrive after the handshake completes.  This leads to potential ambiguity
-about the status of requests and could lead to inconsistent treatment (see
+In protocols that deliver data out of order (such as QUIC {{HQ}}) early data can
+arrive after the handshake completes.  This leads to potential ambiguity about
+the status of requests and could lead to inconsistent treatment (see
</pre>
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> @@ -345,11 +345,12 @@ requests, which could result in increased load.
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ta
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ty
-about the status of requests and could lead to inconsistent treatment (see
+In protocols that deliver data out of order (such as QUIC {{HQ}}) early da=
ta can
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bout
+the status of requests and could lead to inconsistent treatment (see
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http://httpwg.org/http-extensions/header-structure.html#parsing-a-list-from-textual-headers only parses items, while http://httpwg.org/http-extensions/header-structure.html#list says it should allow parameterised labels too.

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  * header-structure: Add a missing close parenthesis

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-httpbis-header-structure.md (2)

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  <li>header-structure: Add a missing close parenthesis</li>
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As @jyasskin is encountering, there needs to be something better here.

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<p>As <a href="https://github.com/jyasskin" class="user-mention">@jyasskin</a> is encountering, there needs to be something better here.</p>

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Reopened #281.

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<p>Reopened <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/281" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="199098919" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/281">#281</a>.</p>

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Specifically, I believe this issue is a request to have some way to represent a dictionary member whose value is an ordered list? My use is in https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-yasskin-http-origin-signed-responses-01.html#signature-header, where `certUrl` and `validityUrl` maybe should be lists of strings, and maybe the order should be significant to express a series of fallback URLs.

[Quic](https://quicwg.github.io/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-http.html#alt-svc-version-hint) specifies its order to be significant.

I do appreciate the default provided by "SHALL be unique" that dictionary members aren't lists unless we explicitly write that they are, since it helps my algorithms fail closed when someone sends an unexpected extra value.

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<p>Specifically, I believe this issue is a request to have some way to re=
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...are not supposed to be there:

https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs-00.txt

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<p>...are not supposed to be there:</p>
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How important it is to expose client hints to third party domains? It seems that even now (without Accept-CH header) first party can provide client hints to the third party domains as URL parameters. In that case, I wonder if it is worth the effort to tie Accept-CH for third-party with Feature Policy, or we should just: (i) Restrict Accept-CH to only first part domains; and, (ii) Let first party use URL parameters to pass on the client hints to third parties.

The goal of Accept-CH was to provide client hints to the first parties in the very first HTTP request itself. Restricting third party access by default does not affect that goal, so I am in support of it.

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<p>The goal of Accept-CH was to provide client hints to the first parties i=
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Closed #442.

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I've a new fix, based on discussion with davidben.

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<p>I've a new fix, based on discussion with davidben.</p>

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Thanks @davidben and @vasilvv for pushing on this.
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/446

-- Commit Summary --

  * As it so happens, late arrival isn't a problem
  * Consistency on mitigation technique isn't necessary
  * Ack for davidben

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-httpbis-replay.md (23)

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<p>Thanks <a href="https://github.com/davidben" class="user-mention">@davidben</a> and <a href="https://github.com/vasilvv" class="user-mention">@vasilvv</a> for pushing on this.</p>

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<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
<ul>
  <li>As it so happens, late arrival isn&#39;t a problem</li>
  <li>Consistency on mitigation technique isn&#39;t necessary</li>
  <li>Ack for davidben</li>
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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/446/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-httpbis-replay.md</a>
    (23)
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<h4>Patch Links:</h4>
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  <li><a href='https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/446.diff'>https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/446.diff</a></li>
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I think this is good and can even emphasize how to consistently disable 0-RTT across a cluster for any reason then consistently re-enable it.


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<p>I think this is good and can even emphasize how to consistently disable 0-RTT across a cluster for any reason then consistently re-enable it.</p>

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> How important it is to expose client hints to third party domains? It seems that even now (without Accept-CH header) first party can provide client hints to the third party domains as URL parameters. In that case, I wonder if it is worth the effort to tie Accept-CH for third-party with Feature Policy, or we should just: (i) Restrict Accept-CH to only first part domains; and, (ii) Let first party use URL parameters to pass on the client hints to third parties.

That's precisely the problem we're trying to solve, you shouldn't have to jump through these hoops as it doesn't play well with caching, and doesn't work for dynamic preferences (e.g. save-data, memory, etc) where the URLs would have to be dynamically generated for each request and enumerate all the hints. This _is_ what some sites already do today, but it's gnarly and complicated solution that doesn't play well with edge delivery / hinders automation of this space.

> My main outstanding worry is indeed the "hint delegation" issue you mentioned above: specifically, the fact that opting an origin into receiving hints still results in sending hints on subresources by default if the 3p also opts in, potentially giving it information about the referring page that it wouldn't currently receive. Similarly, such 3p origins hosting subresources used by an Accept-CH-enabled origin would start getting hints which disclose a few bits of information about the user and could be used for opportunistic linking across 1p visits to different Accept-CH-enabled origins.

Can you elaborate on a particular use case or example that you're worried about here? I hear your concern, but I'm not convinced that the real risk is any more significant than what is already exposed by most sites to 3P's through active content (or CSS even). 

> What do you think about flipping this around and only sending hints on 3p subresource requests if the origin is explicitly whitelisted via Feature Policy? 

On a tactical (spec language) level, FP is a UA-specific concept and I don't think we can couple it here with CH; FP does not apply to non-UA clients. On the other hand, a UA may choose to define a "default off" FP policy for CH for 3P origins and that's totally fine: that's an implementation decision of the UA, and different UAs may even chose different policies for different hints, instead of applying a blanket policy for all CH hints - e.g. Chrome communicates Save-Data hint to all origins today if data saver feature is enabled.

As such, I think we can add some language in CH to explain and allow for above implementation options, but I don't think we can dictate a default FP policy in this spec. 

Spec language bits aside, and with respect to UA implementation: I think we should have a more detailed conversation, on a hint-by-hint basis, to determine default on/off policies, and I'd suggest that we move that discussion to FP forum. 

Does that sound reasonable to you guys?

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<blockquote>
<p>How important it is to expose client hints to third party domains? It se=
ems that even now (without Accept-CH header) first party can provide client=
 hints to the third party domains as URL parameters. In that case, I wonder=
 if it is worth the effort to tie Accept-CH for third-party with Feature Po=
licy, or we should just: (i) Restrict Accept-CH to only first part domains;=
 and, (ii) Let first party use URL parameters to pass on the client hints t=
o third parties.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>That's precisely the problem we're trying to solve, you shouldn't have t=
o jump through these hoops as it doesn't play well with caching, and doesn'=
t work for dynamic preferences (e.g. save-data, memory, etc) where the URLs=
 would have to be dynamically generated for each request and enumerate all =
the hints. This <em>is</em> what some sites already do today, but it's gnar=
ly and complicated solution that doesn't play well with edge delivery / hin=
ders automation of this space.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>My main outstanding worry is indeed the "hint delegation" issue you ment=
ioned above: specifically, the fact that opting an origin into receiving hi=
nts still results in sending hints on subresources by default if the 3p als=
o opts in, potentially giving it information about the referring page that =
it wouldn't currently receive. Similarly, such 3p origins hosting subresour=
ces used by an Accept-CH-enabled origin would start getting hints which dis=
close a few bits of information about the user and could be used for opport=
unistic linking across 1p visits to different Accept-CH-enabled origins.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Can you elaborate on a particular use case or example that you're worrie=
d about here? I hear your concern, but I'm not convinced that the real risk=
 is any more significant than what is already exposed by most sites to 3P's=
 through active content (or CSS even).</p>
<blockquote>
<p>What do you think about flipping this around and only sending hints on 3=
p subresource requests if the origin is explicitly whitelisted via Feature =
Policy?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>On a tactical (spec language) level, FP is a UA-specific concept and I d=
on't think we can couple it here with CH; FP does not apply to non-UA clien=
ts. On the other hand, a UA may choose to define a "default off" FP policy =
for CH for 3P origins and that's totally fine: that's an implementation dec=
ision of the UA, and different UAs may even chose different policies for di=
fferent hints, instead of applying a blanket policy for all CH hints - e.g.=
 Chrome communicates Save-Data hint to all origins today if data saver feat=
ure is enabled.</p>
<p>As such, I think we can add some language in CH to explain and allow for=
 above implementation options, but I don't think we can dictate a default F=
P policy in this spec.</p>
<p>Spec language bits aside, and with respect to UA implementation: I think=
 we should have a more detailed conversation, on a hint-by-hint basis, to d=
etermine default on/off policies, and I'd suggest that we move that discuss=
ion to FP forum.</p>
<p>Does that sound reasonable to you guys?</p>

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n is explicitly whitelisted via Feature Policy? \r\n\r\nOn a tactical (spec=
 language) level, FP is a UA-specific concept and I don't think we can coup=
le it here with CH; FP does not apply to non-UA clients. On the other hand,=
 a UA may choose to define a \"default off\" FP policy for CH for 3P origin=
s and that's totally fine: that's an implementation decision of the UA, and=
 different UAs may even chose different policies for different hints, inste=
ad of applying a blanket policy for all CH hints - e.g. Chrome communicates=
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r\nAs such, I think we can add some language in CH to explain and allow for=
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P policy in this spec. \r\n\r\nSpec language bits aside, and with respect t=
o UA implementation: I think we should have a more detailed conversation, o=
n a hint-by-hint basis, to determine default on/off policies, and I'd sugge=
st that we move that discussion to FP forum. \r\n\r\nDoes that sound reason=
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Clean up idnits in Secondary Certs

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    M draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md (51)

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  <li>Clean up idnits in Secondary Certs</li>
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All the drafts appear to build cleanly on Circle in less than half the time currently required on Travis with the current setup.

**Benefits:**

- Doesn't require the installation of Java to build
- Auto-submit
- Under active development
- Doesn't require manual modification of the Makefile every time we add a new draft

**Drawbacks:**

- New template doesn't use Julian's XSLT on Circle until Martin fixes https://github.com/martinthomson/i-d-template/issues/117

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448

-- Commit Summary --

  * .gitignore changes, remove old lib
  * Setup repository for draft-ietf-httpbis-cache-digest using https://github.com/martinthomson/i-d-template
  * Draft fixups for proper build
  * Remove issues.json in favor of gh-issues
  * Further Client Hints fixes

-- File Changes --

    A .circleci/config.yml (67)
    M .gitignore (21)
    M .travis.yml (32)
    M Makefile (145)
    M draft-ietf-httpbis-cache-digest.md (21)
    M draft-ietf-httpbis-client-hints.md (3)
    M draft-ietf-httpbis-early-hints.md (2)
    M draft-ietf-httpbis-origin-frame.md (3)
    D issues.json (23848)
    D lib/addstyle.sed (6)
    D lib/clean-for-DTD.xslt (1564)
    D lib/cssmap.xml (15)
    D lib/draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-16.xml (5422)
    D lib/fetch-issues.py (40)
    D lib/myxml2rfc.xslt (9)
    D lib/parse_link.py (88)
    D lib/rfc2629-other.ent (61)
    D lib/rfc2629-xhtml.ent (165)
    D lib/rfc2629.dtd (312)
    D lib/rfc2629.xslt (10645)
    D lib/rfcbootstrap.xslt (292)
    D lib/saxon9.jar (0)
    D lib/style.css (78)

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<p>All the drafts appear to build cleanly on Circle in less than half the time currently required on Travis with the current setup.</p>
<p><strong>Benefits:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Doesn't require the installation of Java to build</li>
<li>Auto-submit</li>
<li>Under active development</li>
<li>Doesn't require manual modification of the Makefile every time we add a new draft</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Drawbacks:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>New template doesn't use Julian's XSLT on Circle until Martin fixes <a href="https://github.com/martinthomson/i-d-template/issues/117" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="280657532" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/martinthomson/i-d-template/issues/117">martinthomson/i-d-template#117</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href='https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448'>https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448</a></p>

<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
<ul>
  <li>.gitignore changes, remove old lib</li>
  <li>Setup repository for draft-ietf-httpbis-cache-digest using https://github.com/martinthomson/i-d-template</li>
  <li>Draft fixups for proper build</li>
  <li>Remove issues.json in favor of gh-issues</li>
  <li>Further Client Hints fixes</li>
</ul>

<h4>File Changes</h4>
<ul>
  <li>
    <strong>A</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448/files#diff-0">.circleci/config.yml</a>
    (67)
  </li>
  <li>
    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448/files#diff-1">.gitignore</a>
    (21)
  </li>
  <li>
    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448/files#diff-2">.travis.yml</a>
    (32)
  </li>
  <li>
    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448/files#diff-3">Makefile</a>
    (145)
  </li>
  <li>
    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448/files#diff-4">draft-ietf-httpbis-cache-digest.md</a>
    (21)
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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448/files#diff-5">draft-ietf-httpbis-client-hints.md</a>
    (3)
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  <li>
    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448/files#diff-6">draft-ietf-httpbis-early-hints.md</a>
    (2)
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  <li>
    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448/files#diff-7">draft-ietf-httpbis-origin-frame.md</a>
    (3)
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  <li>
    <strong>D</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448/files#diff-8">issues.json</a>
    (23848)
  </li>
  <li>
    <strong>D</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448/files#diff-9">lib/addstyle.sed</a>
    (6)
  </li>
  <li>
    <strong>D</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448/files#diff-10">lib/clean-for-DTD.xslt</a>
    (1564)
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  <li>
    <strong>D</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448/files#diff-11">lib/cssmap.xml</a>
    (15)
  </li>
  <li>
    <strong>D</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448/files#diff-12">lib/draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-16.xml</a>
    (5422)
  </li>
  <li>
    <strong>D</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448/files#diff-13">lib/fetch-issues.py</a>
    (40)
  </li>
  <li>
    <strong>D</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448/files#diff-14">lib/myxml2rfc.xslt</a>
    (9)
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  <li>
    <strong>D</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448/files#diff-15">lib/parse_link.py</a>
    (88)
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  <li>
    <strong>D</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448/files#diff-16">lib/rfc2629-other.ent</a>
    (61)
  </li>
  <li>
    <strong>D</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448/files#diff-17">lib/rfc2629-xhtml.ent</a>
    (165)
  </li>
  <li>
    <strong>D</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448/files#diff-18">lib/rfc2629.dtd</a>
    (312)
  </li>
  <li>
    <strong>D</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448/files#diff-19">lib/rfc2629.xslt</a>
    (10645)
  </li>
  <li>
    <strong>D</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448/files#diff-20">lib/rfcbootstrap.xslt</a>
    (292)
  </li>
  <li>
    <strong>D</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448/files#diff-21">lib/saxon9.jar</a>
    (0)
  </li>
  <li>
    <strong>D</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448/files#diff-22">lib/style.css</a>
    (78)
  </li>
</ul>

<h4>Patch Links:</h4>
<ul>
  <li><a href='https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448.patch'>https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448.patch</a></li>
  <li><a href='https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448.diff'>https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448.diff</a></li>
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<p>Looks good to me.</p>

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I find xm2rfc's current HTML output disgusting, and as far as I can tell, it doesn't integrate properly into the page HTML (@mnot).

If the concern is running Java, then let's just switch to xsltproc.

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You can find the current output [here](http://mikebishop.github.io/http-extensions/new-template/); I have trouble seeing this as "disgusting." They're almost exactly equivalent, from a cursory glance -- slightly different font, maybe?  And better styling on the TOC in the new template, but that's a matter of aesthetics.  Can you expand on "doesn't integrate properly into the page HTML"?

Java is certainly a pain every time I have to spin up a new machine, but much bigger is maintainability.  See the [equivalent page in the current repo](http://httpwg.github.io/http-extensions/), in which only two drafts are actually shown, and they're not even two that are currently active in the repo.  The Makefile has to be manually updated for each new draft, rather than simply detecting the drafts as they're added, and even then clearly only builds them rather than adding them to the index.

The current version never cleans up old drafts in gh-pages, doesn't build output for branches other than master, doesn't enable you to submit draft versions by tagging and pushing, and so on and so forth.

Sure, you/someone could build all those things into the current version, but... why?  Martin's already done it; let's just steal his code and be done.

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ing this as "disgusting." They're almost exactly equivalent, from a cursory=
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 much bigger is maintainability.  See the <a href=3D"http://httpwg.github.i=
o/http-extensions/" rel=3D"nofollow">equivalent page in the current repo</a=
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Merged #447.

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I was referring to the default output that we used to have in the repo recently for the live-ranges extension.

With "doesn't integrate properly into the page HTML" I was referring to "doesn't integrate properly into the page HTML" I meant http://httpwg.org/specs/ which I thought was including drafts as well.

I have no objects to changing the build process so that more of it is automated; but that should not affect which actual tools are used.

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FWIW, some measurements for converting XML to HTML (for secondary certs):

- rfc2629.xslt on Saxon: 3.4s
- xml2rfc: 1.7s
- rfc2629.xslt on xsltproc: 0.3s

So if the primary concern was performance, xsltproc seems to be a clear winner.



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@reschke, last time I ran an end-to-end test, the XSLT variants lost big time because of the dependencies.  That should go away with the docker image though.

BTW, i-d-template#117 should be fixed and xsltproc available.  Have you checked Mike?  It should be easy to see any speed difference, though you have to be careful with some of the caching rules (retriggers FTW).

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> Can you elaborate on a particular use case or example that you're worried about here? I hear your concern, but I'm not convinced that the real risk is any more significant than what is already exposed by most sites to 3P's through active content (or CSS even).

I'd set aside the case of fully active content and focus on 3p resources that do not allow the hosting party to get information that would be exposed in hints (i.e. loading content such as images, fonts, audio/video, or even JS/CSS pinned to a specific version via Subresource Integrity). If a website loads such resources -- which is very common -- and it enables hints, *and* the 3p separately also enables hints, it has two consequences:

- The user will start sending hint information to the third party, which may allow the 3p to correlate requests from that user across different 1p sites which use hints, even if third-party cookies are disabled. The hints will also be sent automatically, rather than require active probing, which will result in potentially fingerprintable information being sent out to third parties which either couldn't obtain it, or which likely wouldn't resort to actively detecting it and sending it out.
- The user will start sending hint information which might tell the 3p which website/page the user is on, even if the website uses Referrer Policy to remove the Referer header (e.g. in the case where the 3p knows their resource is being loaded by 10 other sites, and only 1 of them enables the set of hints they see in the request).

This behavior is arguably worse privacy-wise than the status quo for users of sites which enable hints. I like being able to control 3p hints via FP, but developers won't understand why they might want to do it (partly because the third-parties they load data from might not enable hints until later, so the developer would not see them in 3p requests while testing on their sites).

FWIW I do think this is strictly better than the original proposal, so "3p hints should be off by default unless enabled by Feature Policy" is not a hill I'd want to die on. Solving this with safe defaults at the FP level sounds okay; I'm a little wary about relying on a completely independent mechanism to enforce good privacy properties of client hints, but it's probably workable -- we'd just need to have the FP-focused discussion about this.

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<p>Can you elaborate on a particular use case or example that you're worrie=
d about here? I hear your concern, but I'm not convinced that the real risk=
 is any more significant than what is already exposed by most sites to 3P's=
 through active content (or CSS even).</p>
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<p>I'd set aside the case of fully active content and focus on 3p resources=
 that do not allow the hosting party to get information that would be expos=
ed in hints (i.e. loading content such as images, fonts, audio/video, or ev=
en JS/CSS pinned to a specific version via Subresource Integrity). If a web=
site loads such resources -- which is very common -- and it enables hints, =
<em>and</em> the 3p separately also enables hints, it has two consequences:=
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<ul>
<li>The user will start sending hint information to the third party, which =
may allow the 3p to correlate requests from that user across different 1p s=
ites which use hints, even if third-party cookies are disabled. The hints w=
ill also be sent automatically, rather than require active probing, which w=
ill result in potentially fingerprintable information being sent out to thi=
rd parties which either couldn't obtain it, or which likely wouldn't resort=
 to actively detecting it and sending it out.</li>
<li>The user will start sending hint information which might tell the 3p wh=
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of hints they see in the request).</li>
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<p>This behavior is arguably worse privacy-wise than the status quo for use=
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er, so the developer would not see them in 3p requests while testing on the=
ir sites).</p>
<p>FWIW I do think this is strictly better than the original proposal, so "=
3p hints should be off by default unless enabled by Feature Policy" is not =
a hill I'd want to die on. Solving this with safe defaults at the FP level =
sounds okay; I'm a little wary about relying on a completely independent me=
chanism to enforce good privacy properties of client hints, but it's probab=
ly workable -- we'd just need to have the FP-focused discussion about this.=
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I'm still failing with xsltproc on the Header Structure -- for some reason, it's not able to load the XMLs for the references, even though what appears to be the same documents are being referenced by other docs.  But that's not a problem with the Dockerfile, it's an issue running locally as well.

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How does it fail? Silently? Error messages?

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<p>How does it fail? Silently? Error messages?</p>

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Here's what I'm seeing:

```
xsltproc --novalid lib/rfc2629.xslt draft-ietf-httpbis-header-structure.xml > draft-ietf-httpbis-header-structure.htmltmp
warning: failed to load external entity "https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.7230.xml"
draft-ietf-httpbis-header-structure.xml:499: parser error : Failure to process entity RFC7230
&RFC7230;
         ^
draft-ietf-httpbis-header-structure.xml:499: parser error : Entity 'RFC7230' not defined
&RFC7230;
         ^
```
And it continues in that fashion.

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<p>Here's what I'm seeing:</p>
<pre><code>xsltproc --novalid lib/rfc2629.xslt draft-ietf-httpbis-header-st=
ructure.xml &gt; draft-ietf-httpbis-header-structure.htmltmp
warning: failed to load external entity "https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/pub=
lic/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.7230.xml"
draft-ietf-httpbis-header-structure.xml:499: parser error : Failure to proc=
ess entity RFC7230
&amp;RFC7230;
         ^
draft-ietf-httpbis-header-structure.xml:499: parser error : Entity 'RFC7230=
' not defined
&amp;RFC7230;
         ^
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Yep.  It looks like for the ones that are building properly, kramdown-rfc2629 is downloading the references and embedding them in the XML.  This draft gets these at the beginning...  `<!ENTITY RFC7230 SYSTEM "https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.7230.xml">` followed by `&RFC7230;` in the references section.

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Just opened 

  https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=791491

(this was actually reported to me a few days ago, but I didn't make the connection...)

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<p>Just opened</p>
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<p>(this was actually reported to me a few days ago, but I didn't make the connection...)</p>

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Apparently, adding

    stand_alone: yes

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<p>Apparently, adding</p>
<pre><code>stand_alone: yes
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Yes, why this isn't the default is baffling.

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<p>Yes, why this isn't the default is baffling.</p>

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Might make sense if you convert from MD to XML with the goal to continue editing the XML.

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<p>Might make sense if you convert from MD to XML with the goal to continue editing the XML.</p>

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Great catch -- added a fix to use stand_alone on the xslt branch.  So, with a sample size of one so far, new-template took 32 seconds total on the most recent build, while xslt took 28 seconds.  Resulting output for [xslt](http://mikebishop.github.io/http-extensions/xslt/) and [xml2rfc](http://mikebishop.github.io/http-extensions/new-template/) is very similar.

While I do like the second better aesthetically, the primary goal here is maintainability and shared code; I can live with that.  Should I change the PR to be off the xslt branch instead?

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<p>Great catch -- added a fix to use stand_alone on the xslt branch.  So, w=
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lt</a> and <a href=3D"http://mikebishop.github.io/http-extensions/new-templ=
ate/" rel=3D"nofollow">xml2rfc</a> is very similar.</p>
<p>While I do like the second better aesthetically, the primary goal here i=
s maintainability and shared code; I can live with that.  Should I change t=
he PR to be off the xslt branch instead?</p>

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Styling the XSLT output is easier, but it would a different stack to run.  I'd say that since it will make some of the things Julian relies on easier, we should pick xslt.

That reminds me, I can add a cache for the xslt to the template and get further speed gains.  Maybe some other time.

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<p>Styling the XSLT output is easier, but it would a different stack to run=
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martinthomson approved this pull request.

You should get chair approval here.

> @@ -1,143 +1,11 @@
-xml2rfc ?= "xml2rfc"
-saxpath ?= "lib/saxon9.jar"
-saxon ?= java -classpath $(saxpath) net.sf.saxon.Transform -l
-kramdown2629 ?= XML_RESOURCE_ORG_PREFIX=https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc kramdown-rfc2629
+LIBDIR := lib

Add USE_XSLT := true here.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>You should get chair approval here.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448#discussion_r156236171">Makefile</a>:</p>
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> @@ -1,143 +1,11 @@
-xml2rfc ?= "xml2rfc"
-saxpath ?= "lib/saxon9.jar"
-saxon ?= java -classpath $(saxpath) net.sf.saxon.Transform -l
-kramdown2629 ?= XML_RESOURCE_ORG_PREFIX=https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc kramdown-rfc2629
+LIBDIR := lib

Yes, that's the extra commit on the other branch.  :-)

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448#discussion_r156236677">Makefile</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1,143 +1,11 @@
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<p>Yes, that's the extra commit on the other branch.  :-)</p>

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@MikeBishop pushed 2 commits.

ec6fd45  Use XSLT
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I've merged the XSLT branch into this one, so the PR now uses `xsltproc` within Martin's I-D template.  I agree with Martin that this needs chair approval:  @mnot, @mcmanus?

Note too that a lot of the speed gains come from running in Martin's Docker container on Circle -- the Travis build times for this branch are already improved (90-120 seconds vs. 120-150 seconds), but not as good as Circle (30-40 seconds).  I've been testing my fork of this repo against Circle.

I don't believe I have sufficient access to switch the repo from Travis to Circle, and you can't do that in a PR anyway, so that's definitely a chair action.

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<p><b>@mnot</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>LGTM.</p>

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(Note that Circle won't see anything to do on master until this PR is merged.)

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Merged #448.

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All green. Only used one container.


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I did a push, seems to have worked. However, the HTML files are in different places from where they used to be -- we *can* update the links, but changing links is kind of uncool.

Also, I think `SUBMITTING.md` needs an update...

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Maybe instead of generating `draft-ietf-httpbis-*.html` we could generate `*.html`? That would reduce the number of links we need to change.

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<p>Maybe instead of generating <code>draft-ietf-httpbis-*.html</code> we could generate <code>*.html</code>? That would reduce the number of links we need to change.</p>

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Also - I strongly suspect that building issues.json on every push is going to burn through Github's rate limiting. Can we limit it, or at least assure that we recover from 429 gracefully?

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<p>Also - I strongly suspect that building issues.json on every push is going to burn through Github's rate limiting. Can we limit it, or at least assure that we recover from 429 gracefully?</p>

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I have rate limiting on issues.json, though we still hit the rate cap occasionally.

We can add rules for generating `*.html`.  That's a fairly simple exercise.  It's something like:

```make
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a.html: draft-ietf-httpbis-a.html 
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# etc...
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We might do better, but it's a little sketchy.

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<p>I have rate limiting on issues.json, though we still hit the rate cap =
occasionally.</p>
<p>We can add rules for generating <code>*.html</code>.  That's a fairly =
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That should work; it's just for the existing drafts, going forward we can use the "full" names.

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<p>That should work; it's just for the existing drafts, going forward we can use the "full" names.</p>

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ping. Links still broken.

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<p>ping. Links still broken.</p>

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It's probably best to bring this up the mailing list.

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<p>It's probably best to bring this up the mailing list.</p>

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Overcome by events.

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On https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions, pointers to editor drafts all return 404s:

- http://httpwg.org/http-extensions/rand-access-live.html
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<p>On <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions">https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions</a>, pointers to editor drafts all return 404s:</p>
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Yes, see #448 *ahem* 

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<p>Yes, see <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/448" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="280659265" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/448">#448</a> <em>ahem</em></p>
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I think this is OBE - @martinthomson can we close?

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<p>I think this is OBE - <a href="https://github.com/martinthomson" class="user-mention">@martinthomson</a> can we close?</p>

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Hmm. I just commited bcp56bis-00, and it builds locally, and on Circle, but doesn't upload the drafts to `gh-pages`. Any idea why @martinthomson?

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<p>Hmm. I just commited bcp56bis-00, and it builds locally, and on Circle, but doesn't upload the drafts to <code>gh-pages</code>. Any idea why <a href="https://github.com/martinthomson" class="user-mention">@martinthomson</a>?</p>

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Closed #449 via fefcff66302823de4ba8f3add38d447d3ce1e89b.

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<p>Closed <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/449" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="281601318" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/449">#449</a> via <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/commit/fefcff66302823de4ba8f3add38d447d3ce1e89b" class="commit-link"><tt>fefcff6</tt></a>.</p>

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As it's repellant. 

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<p>As it's repellant.</p>

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The one gotcha here is that we have a bunch-o links around the web pointing to 404 pages now, with no redirects. :(

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<p>The one gotcha here is that we have a bunch-o links around the web pointing to 404 pages now, with no redirects. :(</p>

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See what they made me do?

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<p>See what they made me do?</p>

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craigpratt commented on this pull request.



> @@ -238,16 +239,18 @@
       representation length) may respond with a 206 status code (Partial Content) with a Content-Range
       header indicating the currently satisfiable byte range. For example:
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Good enough reason for me. Consistency is good....

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/421#discussion_r156582387">draft-ietf-httpbis-rand-access-live.xml</a>:</p>
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Thanks much @reschke !

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<p>Thanks much <a href="https://github.com/reschke" class="user-mention">@reschke</a> !</p>

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remove "various" as authors, just list the org, remove misleading date
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<p>remove "various" as authors, just list the org, remove misleading date</p>

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Closes #450
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<p><span aria-label="This pull request closes issue #450." class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se">Closes</span> <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/450" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="281644791" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/450">#450</a></p>

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As in, we could get the old links back? If so, that'd be great. For context, I filed the bug because we got reports that chromestatus.com links were broken, and I'm sure there are plenty other sites pointing to 404's right now.

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Re: the *\*ahem\**, see https://github.com/martinthomson/i-d-template/pull/119.  It wound up being easier to do inside the template as something that the parent repo could opt into, than to have the parent repo try to force extra things into gh-pages.

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Yes, there's a PR in i-d template to enable generating shortnames automatically.  Martin has requested a change, which I'll try to get to today.

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<p>Yes, there's a PR in i-d template to enable generating shortnames automatically.  Martin has requested a change, which I'll try to get to today.</p>

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Merged #452.

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Reopened #450.

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Hmm, still seems to be there after a build...

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<p>Hmm, still seems to be there after a build...</p>

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Ah, that's right - GH_TOKEN set, thanks.

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<p>Ah, that's right - GH_TOKEN set, thanks.</p>
<p>It looks like gh_issues is built even for pull requests; is there a way to only do it for master?</p>

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Yes, though I don't much see the point, other than as another form of rate limiting.

You can check the branch in the step.  I think that the variable is CIRCLE_BRANCH.

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Merged #451.

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Issue with logic here fixed in the template code.

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This should be OK now based on the changes I made in the template repo.

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<p>This should be OK now based on the changes I made in the template repo.</p>

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Closed #450.

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Examples should include HTTP/1.1 headers, with both the request and response.

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<p>Examples should include HTTP/1.1 headers, with both the request and response.</p>

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The bcp56bis draft currently says:

=E2=80=9Chttps=E2=80=9D is preferred to mitigate pervasive monitoring attac=
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This implies that this is the only reason. The best reasons are not even me=
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<p>The bcp56bis draft currently says:</p>
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> Applications that use HTTP SHOULD use the default port for the URL scheme in use. 

This isn't really necessary.  I would instead say that the port number is in the URL and cite [Initial URL Discovery](https://mnot.github.io/I-D/bcp56bis/#initial-url-discovery) for details.

Then explain that if you are bootstrapping from a bare hostname with `.well-known`, then this should assume the use of the default port for the scheme unless there are very good reasons.  In particular, when it comes to using port numbers other than the default, you can note that there are privacy implications (it makes your protocol distinguishable) and deployment implications (some middleboxes might interfere with the operation of your protocol).

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<p>Applications that use HTTP SHOULD use the default port for the URL scheme in use.</p>
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<p>This isn't really necessary.  I would instead say that the port number is in the URL and cite <a href="https://mnot.github.io/I-D/bcp56bis/#initial-url-discovery" rel="nofollow">Initial URL Discovery</a> for details.</p>
<p>Then explain that if you are bootstrapping from a bare hostname with <code>.well-known</code>, then this should assume the use of the default port for the scheme unless there are very good reasons.  In particular, when it comes to using port numbers other than the default, you can note that there are privacy implications (it makes your protocol distinguishable) and deployment implications (some middleboxes might interfere with the operation of your protocol).</p>
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bcp56bis says

> In particular, if a header field is specific to an application, an iden=
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Digest authentication is laughably weak; anything that uses it over HTTP is asking for trouble.

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<p>Digest authentication is laughably weak; anything that uses it over HTTP is asking for trouble.</p>
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Don't depend on state in connection

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Many of the algorithms in structured-headers are defined as taking input_string and returning a parsed X after modifying input_string to remove the X.  This is a pretty common way of building an inline parser.

Take label, which describes an initial step of:

> If input_string contains more than 256 characters, throw an error.

But a label can be followed by other things that will cause the overall string to exceed this length.  So this check is invalid.

I'd recommend moving the size checks into the algorithm body.  If X exceeds length maxlen(X), then throw as you are scrubbing through.


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<p>Many of the algorithms in structured-headers are defined as taking input_string and returning a parsed X after modifying input_string to remove the X.  This is a pretty common way of building an inline parser.</p>
<p>Take label, which describes an initial step of:</p>
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<p>If input_string contains more than 256 characters, throw an error.</p>
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<p>But a label can be followed by other things that will cause the overall string to exceed this length.  So this check is invalid.</p>
<p>I'd recommend moving the size checks into the algorithm body.  If X exceeds length maxlen(X), then throw as you are scrubbing through.</p>
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> The resources identified by the new scheme will still be available with "http" and/or "https" URLs to clients. While it is possible to define the relationship between these resources in the new scheme's specification, existing HTTP software (such as clients, caches, intermediaries and servers) will not be available, so there is a danger of confusion when the "wrong" URL is used.

I don't understand this statement, particularly "existing HTTP software will not be available". I think it's just a word or two missing but I don't know what's appropriate.

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I think that the question remains relevant, but are you suggesting that I make it a 723x-bis question instead?

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@mikewest  - ping?

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  * make section reference a link

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    M draft-ietf-httpbis-client-hints.md (4)

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    M draft-ietf-httpbis-rand-access-live.xml (12)

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