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Subject: Re: [httpwg/http-extensions] Tighten up binary parsing and explicitly end it. (9b495e3)
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I think that "characters not in the base64 alphabet" might be more accurate.  "+" is non-alphabetic, but still valid.

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<p>I think that "characters not in the base64 alphabet" might be more accurate.  "+" is non-alphabetic, but still valid.</p>

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Yes, but it's not the mechanics of how to send digests for multiple domains that I'm questioning.  It's determining *which* domains to send.  I see the thrust of this issue as being that the spec currently provides mechanics, but a lack of guidance to clients on how to use it.

The domains are likely coalesced because there are subresources that span them.  So while the client might know it wants to make a request of www.example.com, the server knows it wants to push resources for img.example.com and dynamic.example.com as well, and needs to see those digests.

For HTTP/QUIC and variable-length settings, I would say the server sends a setting that's the list of domains it would like to see the digests for.  That's less feasible in HTTP/2's 32 bits.  (You could overload ORIGIN, but assuming that the desired set is less than all the origins the server supports....)

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<p>Yes, but it's not the mechanics of how to send digests for multiple do=
mains that I'm questioning.  It's determining <em>which</em> domains to s=
end.  I see the thrust of this issue as being that the spec currently pro=
vides mechanics, but a lack of guidance to clients on how to use it.</p>
<p>The domains are likely coalesced because there are subresources that s=
pan them.  So while the client might know it wants to make a request of <=
a href=3D"http://www.example.com" rel=3D"nofollow">www.example.com</a>, t=
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c.example.com as well, and needs to see those digests.</p>
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Fixed in 17ff7c0f thanks

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<p>Fixed in <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/commit/17ff7c0f9be930ad58b8af830d1b13a4c07f4466" class="commit-link"><tt>17ff7c0</tt></a> thanks</p>

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Flipping to design, because this has some design implications.

One of my goals for processing is that a generic processor should be able to take any input and produce the appropriate structure (this isn't true at the very top level, which probably deserves a separate issue).

So, we need a way to distinguish parameterised labels from "ordinary" labels for parsers.

The most obvious way to do this would be to use a sigil, and the most obvious candidate is ":" -- e.g.,

    PLabelExample: ;foo; bar=baz; bat

That would make lists of plabels look like:

    PLabelListExample: ;foo;bar, baz;bat=1

I'm not crazy about the leading `;`, but I don't see any way to avoid having something there. Alternative approaches, or alternative syntax anyone?

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<p>Flipping to design, because this has some design implications.</p>
<p>One of my goals for processing is that a generic processor should be abl=
e to take any input and produce the appropriate structure (this isn't true =
at the very top level, which probably deserves a separate issue).</p>
<p>So, we need a way to distinguish parameterised labels from "ordinary" la=
bels for parsers.</p>
<p>The most obvious way to do this would be to use a sigil, and the most ob=
vious candidate is ":" -- e.g.,</p>
<pre><code>PLabelExample: ;foo; bar=3Dbaz; bat
</code></pre>
<p>That would make lists of plabels look like:</p>
<pre><code>PLabelListExample: ;foo;bar, baz;bat=3D1
</code></pre>
<p>I'm not crazy about the leading <code>;</code>, but I don't see any way =
to avoid having something there. Alternative approaches, or alternative syn=
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Right now, Structured Headers allows the following types at the top level:

* Dictionaries
* Lists
* Parameterised Labels
* Items

Items' types can be identified by inspecting their first character, and #443 covers parameterised labels.

However, there isn't any easy way for a parser to identify whether the top-level data type is a dictionary or a list. As a result, a parser will need a hint as to what kind of top-level data type is expected for a given header.

It seems like the options are:

1) Make it possible to distinguish these data types on the wire; e.g., dictionaries start with `{`, lists start with `[`.

2) Require parsers to have external information about what's being parsed, at least at the top level. E.g., the parser could expose four functions, `parseList`, `parseDict`, `parsePlabel`, `parseItem`.


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<p>Right now, Structured Headers allows the following types at the top level:</p>
<ul>
<li>Dictionaries</li>
<li>Lists</li>
<li>Parameterised Labels</li>
<li>Items</li>
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<p>Items' types can be identified by inspecting their first character, and <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/443" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="279143395" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/443">#443</a> covers parameterised labels.</p>
<p>However, there isn't any easy way for a parser to identify whether the top-level data type is a dictionary or a list. As a result, a parser will need a hint as to what kind of top-level data type is expected for a given header.</p>
<p>It seems like the options are:</p>
<ol>
<li>
<p>Make it possible to distinguish these data types on the wire; e.g., dictionaries start with <code>{</code>, lists start with <code>[</code>.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Require parsers to have external information about what's being parsed, at least at the top level. E.g., the parser could expose four functions, <code>parseList</code>, <code>parseDict</code>, <code>parsePlabel</code>, <code>parseItem</code>.</p>
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Personally, I'm leaning towards (2). Someone using a parser for a given header is going to need more information about its structure and semantics to use it anyway. 

I _think_ the only reason we'd want to do (1) is if we have a strong use case for being able to parse the header without any such context. I suppose one could write a linter or debugger that wants to check structured headers for correctness (e.g., <https://redbot.org/>), but I don't know that it's worth the discontinuity with "traditional" HTTP header syntax (which so far we've largely maintained).

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In particular, the relationship between 2119 requirements, ABNF and algorithms.

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Thanks, had to manually incorporate.

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<p>Thanks, had to manually incorporate.</p>

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Fixed in 9b495e31.

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<p>Fixed in <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/commit/9b495e3160af1c3c0b473a194d968ee5b8c470d1" class="commit-link"><tt>9b495e3</tt></a>.</p>

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Closed #474.

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Or an extension flag on ORIGIN that indicates what origins the server wants CACHE_DIGEST for. Although arguably, simply getting an ORIGIN covering a given origin indicates interest in CD for it. If a server adds an origin to a connection, that's a pretty strong signal it expects to have requests for it.

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I think that the draft already defines a way for a server to notify the client if it wants to see a digest (see [ACCEPT_CACHE_DIGEST parameter](http://httpwg.org/http-extensions/draft-ietf-httpbis-cache-digest.html#the-acceptcachedigest-settings-parameter)). However, the information is currently tied to the connection instead of the origin.

That said, one way of addressing the issue would be to add a way to define per-origin settings to the ORIGIN frame. Considering the fact that the use of the SETTINGS parameters is the suggested way for negotiating features, it would be natural to provide the opportunity to use them at a per-origin basis.

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Port over of PR from mnot repo. Modified last sentence to avoid to much usage of the word "further".
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<p>Port over of PR from mnot repo. Modified last sentence to avoid to much usage of the word "further".</p>

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The dict parsing algorithm currently allows a trailing comma (and OWS). 

Is the comma intentional?

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<p>The dict parsing algorithm currently allows a trailing comma (and OWS).</p>
<p>Is the comma intentional?</p>

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The ABNF doesn't allow it.

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<p>The ABNF doesn't allow it.</p>

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Could just change "2. While input_string is not empty:" to "2. In a loop:"

I think that also makes steps 3 and 4 unreachable.

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<p>Could just change "2. While input_string is not empty:" to "2. In a loop:"</p>
<p>I think that also makes steps 3 and 4 unreachable.</p>

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I wrote a very quick Ruby script the other day to try out the algorithms, and I went with the extra top-level metadata. For a header value to get fed into this parser, either: something already knows it's a common structure header value, so there's no reason it wouldn't know _which_ structure; or: it's throwing things at the wall to see what sticks, in which case it can already deal with backtracking/trying other types/etc.

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Could be related to #479 (the higher-order issue being that algorithms and ABNF aren't exactly 1:1), in which case it's probably part of #477.

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<p>Could be related to <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/479" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="294062618" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/479">#479</a> (the higher-order issue being that algorithms and ABNF aren't exactly 1:1), in which case it's probably part of <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/477" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="293721408" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/477">#477</a>.</p>

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If you mark the entire list (so either: all its members are plabels, or all its members are items) that doesn't match the current design, which allows a mix of item / parameterised within the one list.  This is a reduction in capability, but not sure if YAGNI.

Alternatively we could make the indication on a per-item basis; either as an extension to the list syntax (effectively marking up the separator), or modifying the types (so label and plabel are always unambiguously distinct.)  Which they are according the the ABNF, though not easily distinguished by the algorithm.

So another alternative is: don't provide algorithms. Or at least, not algorithms that are drastically different from the ABNF (branching on prefixes vs whole pattern matching.)  This is unambiguous, if ugly as sin, and stuff we've been dealing with for decades:

```
structured_header = dictionary / list / parameterised / item

dictionary        = dictionary_member *1023( OWS "," OWS dictionary_member )
dictionary_member = label "=" item

list              = list_member 0*1023( OWS "," OWS list_member )
list_member       = item / parameterised

parameterised     = label *256( OWS ";" OWS label [ "=" item ] )

item              = integer / float / string / label / binary

integer           = ["-"] 1*19DIGIT

float             = ["-"] (
                      ; not copy-pasting the whole thing
                    )
string            = DQUOTE 0*1024(char) DQUOTE
char              = unescaped / escape ( DQUOTE / "\" )
unescaped         = %x20-21 / %x23-5B / %x5D-7E
escape            = "\"

label             = lcalpha *255( lcalpha / DIGIT / "_" / "-"/ "*" / "/" )
lcalpha           = %x61-7A ; a-z

binary            = "*" 0*21846(base64) "*"
base64            = ALPHA / DIGIT / "+" / "/"
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<p>If you mark the entire list (so either: all its members are plabels, or =
all its members are items) that doesn't match the current design, which all=
ows a mix of item / parameterised within the one list.  This is a reduction=
 in capability, but not sure if YAGNI.</p>
<p>Alternatively we could make the indication on a per-item basis; either a=
s an extension to the list syntax (effectively marking up the separator), o=
r modifying the types (so label and plabel are always unambiguously distinc=
t.)  Which they are according the the ABNF, though not easily distinguished=
 by the algorithm.</p>
<p>So another alternative is: don't provide algorithms. Or at least, not al=
gorithms that are drastically different from the ABNF (branching on prefixe=
s vs whole pattern matching.)  This is unambiguous, if ugly as sin, and stu=
ff we've been dealing with for decades:</p>
<pre><code>structured_header =3D dictionary / list / parameterised / item

dictionary        =3D dictionary_member *1023( OWS "," OWS dictionary_membe=
r )
dictionary_member =3D label "=3D" item

list              =3D list_member 0*1023( OWS "," OWS list_member )
list_member       =3D item / parameterised

parameterised     =3D label *256( OWS ";" OWS label [ "=3D" item ] )

item              =3D integer / float / string / label / binary

integer           =3D ["-"] 1*19DIGIT

float             =3D ["-"] (
                      ; not copy-pasting the whole thing
                    )
string            =3D DQUOTE 0*1024(char) DQUOTE
char              =3D unescaped / escape ( DQUOTE / "\" )
unescaped         =3D %x20-21 / %x23-5B / %x5D-7E
escape            =3D "\"

label             =3D lcalpha *255( lcalpha / DIGIT / "_" / "-"/ "*" / "/" )
lcalpha           =3D %x61-7A ; a-z

binary            =3D "*" 0*21846(base64) "*"
base64            =3D ALPHA / DIGIT / "+" / "/"
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Incidentally:

> Items' types can be identified by inspecting their first character

A bare lowercase word is either a parameterised label or an item (label), so it's not just list/dict.

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<p>Incidentally:</p>
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Ah, sorry, my intent was to mark each plabel, but I messed up the list example.

I'm not excited about dropping the algorithms; we've been dealing with the mess for a long time, yes, but it *is* a mess. But we'll see; for the time being, having the algorithms helps us clarify our intent really well, I think.

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My plan was to add a step at the bottom of the loop "if input_string is empty, fail parsing."

Question is whether we want to be tolerant of trailing commas. Based upon the approach we seem to be taking elsewhere, I think we probably don't want to be. That means that this would fail:

> FooHeader: bar,baz,

... and this would as well:

> FooHeader: bar, baz
> FooHeader:

I think I'm comfortable with that.

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`PLabelListExample: ;foo;bar, ;baz;bat=1` ?

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<p><code>PLabelListExample: ;foo;bar, ;baz;bat=1</code> ?</p>

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Yes.

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If we replace 2.1 with a branch ("if input_string starts with lcalpha then parse as plist, otherwise parse as item") bare labels will fall out as plabels like `[foo, {}]`. Would that hurt anything? 

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(The ticket talks about dictionaries, but you're talking about lists. The same rule/fix should apply to both.) 

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<p>(The ticket talks about dictionaries, but you're talking about lists. The same rule/fix should apply to both.)</p>

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Implements Kazuho's suggestion to remove AUTOMATIC_USE and replace it with the ability to send USE_CERTIFICATE as part of the request.

(Note that this runs headlong into the frames-on-closed-streams problem and might need to be delayed until we fix that.)

This is a straight port of https://github.com/MikeBishop/http2-certs/pull/17; I'll address the feedback from that PR shortly.
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  * Port of https://github.com/MikeBishop/http2-certs/pull/18/
  * Port of https://github.com/MikeBishop/http2-certs/pull/17/

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<p>Implements Kazuho's suggestion to remove AUTOMATIC_USE and replace it with the ability to send USE_CERTIFICATE as part of the request.</p>
<p>(Note that this runs headlong into the frames-on-closed-streams problem and might need to be delayed until we fix that.)</p>
<p>This is a straight port of <a href="https://github.com/MikeBishop/http2-certs/pull/17" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="274098272" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/MikeBishop/http2-certs/issues/17">MikeBishop/http2-certs#17</a>; I'll address the feedback from that PR shortly.</p>

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  <li>Port of https://github.com/MikeBishop/http2-certs/pull/18/</li>
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Tracking changes from tlswg/tls-exported-authenticator#9 to create an exported authenticator request message at the TLS layer as well.

This is a straight port of https://github.com/MikeBishop/http2-certs/pull/18/; feedback there has already been addressed, modulo one issue I'll be adding to this repo.
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/481

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  * Port of https://github.com/MikeBishop/http2-certs/pull/18/

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md (68)

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<p>Tracking changes from <a href="https://github.com/tlswg/tls-exported-authenticator/pull/9" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="274073269" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/tlswg/tls-exported-authenticator/issues/9">tlswg/tls-exported-authenticator#9</a> to create an exported authenticator request message at the TLS layer as well.</p>
<p>This is a straight port of <a href="https://github.com/MikeBishop/http2-certs/pull/18" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="274114846" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/MikeBishop/http2-certs/issues/18">MikeBishop/http2-certs#18</a>; feedback there has already been addressed, modulo one issue I'll be adding to this repo.</p>

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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/481/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md</a>
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  <li><a href='https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/481.diff'>https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/481.diff</a></li>
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As highlighted by #480, the Secondary Certs draft currently involves sending frames on closed streams.  This is poor form in HTTP/2, but impossible in HTTP/QUIC (where we hope this will be easily portable).  We should find an alternative.

This may mean that on-stream frames actually move to Stream 0 and simply carry a stream number as part of the frame.  Loses a few bytes, but seems like the best path forward.

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<p>As highlighted by <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/480" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="294494381" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/480">#480</a>, the Secondary Certs draft currently involves sending frames on closed streams.  This is poor form in HTTP/2, but impossible in HTTP/QUIC (where we hope this will be easily portable).  We should find an alternative.</p>
<p>This may mean that on-stream frames actually move to Stream 0 and simply carry a stream number as part of the frame.  Loses a few bytes, but seems like the best path forward.</p>

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In comments on https://github.com/MikeBishop/http2-certs/pull/18, @martinthomson pointed out that the context inside an exported authenticator/request is supposed to be unpredictable.  We should look at the use in Secondary Certs and how we can avoid compromising security goals with the exported authenticator.

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<p>In comments on <a href="https://github.com/MikeBishop/http2-certs/pull/18" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="274114846" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/MikeBishop/http2-certs/issues/18">MikeBishop/http2-certs#18</a>, <a href="https://github.com/martinthomson" class="user-mention">@martinthomson</a> pointed out that the context inside an exported authenticator/request is supposed to be unpredictable.  We should look at the use in Secondary Certs and how we can avoid compromising security goals with the exported authenticator.</p>

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martinthomson commented on this pull request.



>  ~~~
 {: #ex-http2-server-requested title="Client-Requested Certificate"}
 
-Likewise, on each stream where certificate authentication is required,
-the server sends a `CERTIFICATE_NEEDED` frame, which the client
-answers with a `USE_CERTIFICATE` frame indicating the certificate to
-use. If the request parameters or the responding certificate are not
-already available, they will need to be sent as described in
-{{cert-available}} as part of this exchange.
+A server SHOULD provide certificates for an origin before pushing resources from
+it or supplying content referencing the origin. If a client receives a
+`PUSH_PROMISE` referencing an origin for which it has not yet received the
+server's certificate, the client SHOULD verify the server's possession of an

You use a lot of "SHOULD" here, and I think that they are for the wrong reason.

In this case, you are using SHOULD to avoid having to say *why* the client might want to verify that the server has a valid certificate.  Here, you can say that the verification is mandatory.  In many other cases, you can describe what goal the endpoint might have and how it can achieve that goal.

>  ~~~
 {: #ex-http2-server-requested title="Client-Requested Certificate"}
 
-Likewise, on each stream where certificate authentication is required,
-the server sends a `CERTIFICATE_NEEDED` frame, which the client
-answers with a `USE_CERTIFICATE` frame indicating the certificate to
-use. If the request parameters or the responding certificate are not
-already available, they will need to be sent as described in
-{{cert-available}} as part of this exchange.
+A server SHOULD provide certificates for an origin before pushing resources from
+it or supplying content referencing the origin. If a client receives a
+`PUSH_PROMISE` referencing an origin for which it has not yet received the
+server's certificate, the client SHOULD verify the server's possession of an
+appropriate certificate by sending a `CERTIFICATE_NEEDED` frame on the pushed
+stream to inform the server that progress is blocked until the request is
+satisfied.
+
+If the certificate is already available, the server SHOULD immediately

lazy SHOULD: If a client requests a certificate that is already available, the server can send a `USE_CERTIFICATE` frame to signal which certificate it assumes to be effective.

>  ~~~
 {: #ex-http2-client-requested title="Reactive Certificate Authentication"}
 
-A server SHOULD provide certificates for an origin before pushing resources from
-it or supplying content referencing the origin. If a client receives a
-`PUSH_PROMISE` referencing an origin for which it has not yet received the
-server's certificate, the client MUST verify the server's possession of an
-appropriate certificate by sending a `CERTIFICATE_NEEDED` frame on the pushed
-stream to inform the server that progress is blocked until the request is
-satisfied. The client MUST NOT use the pushed resource until an appropriate
-certificate has been received and validated.
+On subsequent requests, the client can proactively indicate that an existing
+certificate MAY be used by including a `USE_CERTIFICATE` frame as part of the
+request.  If the indicated certificate does not correspond to the request the

You need to explain what ordering you expect to have here.  After the header block, but before the request body.  Which implies an empty DATA frame rather than a HEADERS frame with FIN attached.

> @@ -470,6 +486,10 @@ authentication request identifier, `Request-ID`. A peer that receives a
 error of type `PROTOCOL_ERROR`. Frames with identical request
 identifiers refer to the same `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST`.
 
+The `CERTIFICATE_NEEDED` frame MUST NOT be sent by servers prior to seeing the
+end of the client's request, and then MUST NOT be sent if the client included a

We need to be very clear about what it means to say that the request is ended, because the client won't be able to send USE_CERTIFICATE on a half-closed stream.  (Do we have an issue for that?)

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/480#discussion_r166119288">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  ~~~
 {: #ex-http2-server-requested title=&quot;Client-Requested Certificate&quot;}
 
-Likewise, on each stream where certificate authentication is required,
-the server sends a `CERTIFICATE_NEEDED` frame, which the client
-answers with a `USE_CERTIFICATE` frame indicating the certificate to
-use. If the request parameters or the responding certificate are not
-already available, they will need to be sent as described in
-{{cert-available}} as part of this exchange.
+A server SHOULD provide certificates for an origin before pushing resources from
+it or supplying content referencing the origin. If a client receives a
+`PUSH_PROMISE` referencing an origin for which it has not yet received the
+server&#39;s certificate, the client SHOULD verify the server&#39;s possession of an
</pre>
<p>You use a lot of "SHOULD" here, and I think that they are for the wrong reason.</p>
<p>In this case, you are using SHOULD to avoid having to say <em>why</em> the client might want to verify that the server has a valid certificate.  Here, you can say that the verification is mandatory.  In many other cases, you can describe what goal the endpoint might have and how it can achieve that goal.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/480#discussion_r166120255">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  ~~~
 {: #ex-http2-server-requested title=&quot;Client-Requested Certificate&quot;}
 
-Likewise, on each stream where certificate authentication is required,
-the server sends a `CERTIFICATE_NEEDED` frame, which the client
-answers with a `USE_CERTIFICATE` frame indicating the certificate to
-use. If the request parameters or the responding certificate are not
-already available, they will need to be sent as described in
-{{cert-available}} as part of this exchange.
+A server SHOULD provide certificates for an origin before pushing resources from
+it or supplying content referencing the origin. If a client receives a
+`PUSH_PROMISE` referencing an origin for which it has not yet received the
+server&#39;s certificate, the client SHOULD verify the server&#39;s possession of an
+appropriate certificate by sending a `CERTIFICATE_NEEDED` frame on the pushed
+stream to inform the server that progress is blocked until the request is
+satisfied.
+
+If the certificate is already available, the server SHOULD immediately
</pre>
<p>lazy SHOULD: If a client requests a certificate that is already available, the server can send a <code>USE_CERTIFICATE</code> frame to signal which certificate it assumes to be effective.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/480#discussion_r166120808">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  ~~~
 {: #ex-http2-client-requested title=&quot;Reactive Certificate Authentication&quot;}
 
-A server SHOULD provide certificates for an origin before pushing resources from
-it or supplying content referencing the origin. If a client receives a
-`PUSH_PROMISE` referencing an origin for which it has not yet received the
-server&#39;s certificate, the client MUST verify the server&#39;s possession of an
-appropriate certificate by sending a `CERTIFICATE_NEEDED` frame on the pushed
-stream to inform the server that progress is blocked until the request is
-satisfied. The client MUST NOT use the pushed resource until an appropriate
-certificate has been received and validated.
+On subsequent requests, the client can proactively indicate that an existing
+certificate MAY be used by including a `USE_CERTIFICATE` frame as part of the
+request.  If the indicated certificate does not correspond to the request the
</pre>
<p>You need to explain what ordering you expect to have here.  After the header block, but before the request body.  Which implies an empty DATA frame rather than a HEADERS frame with FIN attached.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/480#discussion_r166121099">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -470,6 +486,10 @@ authentication request identifier, `Request-ID`. A peer that receives a
 error of type `PROTOCOL_ERROR`. Frames with identical request
 identifiers refer to the same `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST`.
 
+The `CERTIFICATE_NEEDED` frame MUST NOT be sent by servers prior to seeing the
+end of the client&#39;s request, and then MUST NOT be sent if the client included a
</pre>
<p>We need to be very clear about what it means to say that the request is ended, because the client won't be able to send USE_CERTIFICATE on a half-closed stream.  (Do we have an issue for that?)</p>

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martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

A couple of minor things that are probably important enough to get right at this point.

>  
-Some extensions used for certificate selection allow multiple values (e.g.
-oid_filters on Extended Key Usage). If the sender has included a non-empty
-Extensions list, the certificate MUST match all criteria specified by extensions
-the recipient recognizes. However, the recipient MUST ignore and skip any
-unrecognized certificate selection extensions.
+The Exported Authenticator `request` API defined in
+[I-D.ietf-tls-exported-authenticator] takes as input a set of desired
+certificate characteristics and a `certificate_request_context`. When generating
+exported authenticators for use with this extension, the
+`certificate_request_context` MUST be the two-octet Request-ID.

Exported authenticators require that the certificate_request_context be unpredictable.  I think that we can address this by prefixing a random sequence with the two-octet Request-ID.  Then we can ensure that we have a mapping key, but also enough entropy to avoid guessing.

> -
-Upon receipt of a completed authenticator, an endpoint MUST check that:
-
- - the `validate` API confirms the validity of the authenticator itself
- - the `certificate_request_context` matches the Cert-ID of the frame(s) in
-   which it was received
+takes as input a request, a set of certificates, and supporting information
+about the certificate (OCSP, SCT, etc.).
+
+Upon receipt of a completed authenticator, an endpoint MUST perform the
+following steps:
+ - Using the `get context` API, retrieve the `certificate_request_context` used
+   to generate the authenticator, if any.
+ - Verify that the `certificate_request_context` is the Request-ID of a
+   previously-sent `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST` frame.  Alternatively, on clients the
+   `certificate_request_context` MAY also be empty.

Verify that the authenticator has either an empty `certificate_request_context` (for clients only), or contains a Request-ID from a previously-sent `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST` frame.

> @@ -640,16 +636,18 @@ received on any other stream MUST be rejected with a stream error of type
 ### Exported Authenticator Characteristics {#exp-auth}
 
 The Exported Authenticator API defined in [I-D.ietf-tls-exported-authenticator]
-takes as input a certificate, supporting information about the certificate
-(OCSP, SCT, etc.), and an optional `certificate_request_context`.  When
-generating exported authenticators for use with this extension, the
-`certificate_request_context` MUST be the two-octet Cert-ID.
-
-Upon receipt of a completed authenticator, an endpoint MUST check that:
-
- - the `validate` API confirms the validity of the authenticator itself
- - the `certificate_request_context` matches the Cert-ID of the frame(s) in
-   which it was received
+takes as input a request, a set of certificates, and supporting information
+about the certificate (OCSP, SCT, etc.).

This statement applies to the *creation* of an authenticator.  But the following paragraph talks about validation of one.  I think that you need to make that distinction a lot clearer.

> @@ -520,10 +520,7 @@ necessary frames have been received on stream zero MUST also result in a stream
 error of type `PROTOCOL_ERROR`.
 
 The referenced certificate chain MUST conform to the requirements expressed in
-the `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST` to the best of the sender's ability. Specifically, if
-the `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST` contained a non-empty `Cert-Extensions` element, the
-end-entity certificate MUST match with regard to the extensions recognized by
-the sender.
+the `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST` to the best of the sender's ability.

This is really a requirement on exported authenticators.  Can we turn this into a statement of truth instead?  Or remove it entirely.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> requested changes on this pull request.</p>

<p>A couple of minor things that are probably important enough to get right at this point.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/481#discussion_r166122069">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-Some extensions used for certificate selection allow multiple values (e.g.
-oid_filters on Extended Key Usage). If the sender has included a non-empty
-Extensions list, the certificate MUST match all criteria specified by extensions
-the recipient recognizes. However, the recipient MUST ignore and skip any
-unrecognized certificate selection extensions.
+The Exported Authenticator `request` API defined in
+[I-D.ietf-tls-exported-authenticator] takes as input a set of desired
+certificate characteristics and a `certificate_request_context`. When generating
+exported authenticators for use with this extension, the
+`certificate_request_context` MUST be the two-octet Request-ID.
</pre>
<p>Exported authenticators require that the certificate_request_context be unpredictable.  I think that we can address this by prefixing a random sequence with the two-octet Request-ID.  Then we can ensure that we have a mapping key, but also enough entropy to avoid guessing.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/481#discussion_r166123944">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -
-Upon receipt of a completed authenticator, an endpoint MUST check that:
-
- - the `validate` API confirms the validity of the authenticator itself
- - the `certificate_request_context` matches the Cert-ID of the frame(s) in
-   which it was received
+takes as input a request, a set of certificates, and supporting information
+about the certificate (OCSP, SCT, etc.).
+
+Upon receipt of a completed authenticator, an endpoint MUST perform the
+following steps:
+ - Using the `get context` API, retrieve the `certificate_request_context` used
+   to generate the authenticator, if any.
+ - Verify that the `certificate_request_context` is the Request-ID of a
+   previously-sent `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST` frame.  Alternatively, on clients the
+   `certificate_request_context` MAY also be empty.
</pre>
<p>Verify that the authenticator has either an empty <code>certificate_request_context</code> (for clients only), or contains a Request-ID from a previously-sent <code>CERTIFICATE_REQUEST</code> frame.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/481#discussion_r166124195">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -640,16 +636,18 @@ received on any other stream MUST be rejected with a stream error of type
 ### Exported Authenticator Characteristics {#exp-auth}
 
 The Exported Authenticator API defined in [I-D.ietf-tls-exported-authenticator]
-takes as input a certificate, supporting information about the certificate
-(OCSP, SCT, etc.), and an optional `certificate_request_context`.  When
-generating exported authenticators for use with this extension, the
-`certificate_request_context` MUST be the two-octet Cert-ID.
-
-Upon receipt of a completed authenticator, an endpoint MUST check that:
-
- - the `validate` API confirms the validity of the authenticator itself
- - the `certificate_request_context` matches the Cert-ID of the frame(s) in
-   which it was received
+takes as input a request, a set of certificates, and supporting information
+about the certificate (OCSP, SCT, etc.).
</pre>
<p>This statement applies to the <em>creation</em> of an authenticator.  But the following paragraph talks about validation of one.  I think that you need to make that distinction a lot clearer.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/481#discussion_r166124432">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -520,10 +520,7 @@ necessary frames have been received on stream zero MUST also result in a stream
 error of type `PROTOCOL_ERROR`.
 
 The referenced certificate chain MUST conform to the requirements expressed in
-the `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST` to the best of the sender&#39;s ability. Specifically, if
-the `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST` contained a non-empty `Cert-Extensions` element, the
-end-entity certificate MUST match with regard to the extensions recognized by
-the sender.
+the `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST` to the best of the sender&#39;s ability.
</pre>
<p>This is really a requirement on exported authenticators.  Can we turn this into a statement of truth instead?  Or remove it entirely.</p>

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I have a suggestion for #481 that should fix this problem.

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<p>I have a suggestion for <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/481" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="294495020" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/481">#481</a> that should fix this problem.</p>

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MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

A few clarifications.  I'll work on the others in the meantime.

> @@ -520,10 +520,7 @@ necessary frames have been received on stream zero MUST also result in a stream
 error of type `PROTOCOL_ERROR`.
 
 The referenced certificate chain MUST conform to the requirements expressed in
-the `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST` to the best of the sender's ability. Specifically, if
-the `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST` contained a non-empty `Cert-Extensions` element, the
-end-entity certificate MUST match with regard to the extensions recognized by
-the sender.
+the `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST` to the best of the sender's ability.

I'm not sure that's true -- the exported authenticator functionality is responsible for communicating the requirements and the certificate, but it's not responsible for selecting the certificate to respond with.  I think it's a requirement on whomever does certificate selection, which I believe is the HTTP layer.

>  
-Some extensions used for certificate selection allow multiple values (e.g.
-oid_filters on Extended Key Usage). If the sender has included a non-empty
-Extensions list, the certificate MUST match all criteria specified by extensions
-the recipient recognizes. However, the recipient MUST ignore and skip any
-unrecognized certificate selection extensions.
+The Exported Authenticator `request` API defined in
+[I-D.ietf-tls-exported-authenticator] takes as input a set of desired
+certificate characteristics and a `certificate_request_context`. When generating
+exported authenticators for use with this extension, the
+`certificate_request_context` MUST be the two-octet Request-ID.

Should we specify the length?

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>A few clarifications.  I'll work on the others in the meantime.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/481#discussion_r166126820">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -520,10 +520,7 @@ necessary frames have been received on stream zero MUST also result in a stream
 error of type `PROTOCOL_ERROR`.
 
 The referenced certificate chain MUST conform to the requirements expressed in
-the `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST` to the best of the sender&#39;s ability. Specifically, if
-the `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST` contained a non-empty `Cert-Extensions` element, the
-end-entity certificate MUST match with regard to the extensions recognized by
-the sender.
+the `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST` to the best of the sender&#39;s ability.
</pre>
<p>I'm not sure that's true -- the exported authenticator functionality is responsible for communicating the requirements and the certificate, but it's not responsible for selecting the certificate to respond with.  I think it's a requirement on whomever does certificate selection, which I believe is the HTTP layer.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/481#discussion_r166127008">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-Some extensions used for certificate selection allow multiple values (e.g.
-oid_filters on Extended Key Usage). If the sender has included a non-empty
-Extensions list, the certificate MUST match all criteria specified by extensions
-the recipient recognizes. However, the recipient MUST ignore and skip any
-unrecognized certificate selection extensions.
+The Exported Authenticator `request` API defined in
+[I-D.ietf-tls-exported-authenticator] takes as input a set of desired
+certificate characteristics and a `certificate_request_context`. When generating
+exported authenticators for use with this extension, the
+`certificate_request_context` MUST be the two-octet Request-ID.
</pre>
<p>Should we specify the length?</p>

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> @@ -470,6 +486,10 @@ authentication request identifier, `Request-ID`. A peer that receives a
 error of type `PROTOCOL_ERROR`. Frames with identical request
 identifiers refer to the same `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST`.
 
+The `CERTIFICATE_NEEDED` frame MUST NOT be sent by servers prior to seeing the
+end of the client's request, and then MUST NOT be sent if the client included a

Yes, #482.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/480#discussion_r166143287">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -470,6 +486,10 @@ authentication request identifier, `Request-ID`. A peer that receives a
 error of type `PROTOCOL_ERROR`. Frames with identical request
 identifiers refer to the same `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST`.
 
+The `CERTIFICATE_NEEDED` frame MUST NOT be sent by servers prior to seeing the
+end of the client&#39;s request, and then MUST NOT be sent if the client included a
</pre>
<p>Yes, <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/482" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="294498061" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/482">#482</a>.</p>

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> @@ -520,10 +520,7 @@ necessary frames have been received on stream zero MUST also result in a stream
 error of type `PROTOCOL_ERROR`.
 
 The referenced certificate chain MUST conform to the requirements expressed in
-the `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST` to the best of the sender's ability. Specifically, if
-the `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST` contained a non-empty `Cert-Extensions` element, the
-end-entity certificate MUST match with regard to the extensions recognized by
-the sender.
+the `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST` to the best of the sender's ability.

It's not really actionable though.  If your intent is to state an interoperability requirement (why else do you use MUST), what do we lose if someone violates that?  I mean, I know that NSS could try harder to comply, but we do have better things to do than add full support for oid_filter (just for example, which is really hard to implement in practice).

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<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/481#discussion_r166148951">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -520,10 +520,7 @@ necessary frames have been received on stream zero MUST also result in a stream
 error of type `PROTOCOL_ERROR`.
 
 The referenced certificate chain MUST conform to the requirements expressed in
-the `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST` to the best of the sender&#39;s ability. Specifically, if
-the `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST` contained a non-empty `Cert-Extensions` element, the
-end-entity certificate MUST match with regard to the extensions recognized by
-the sender.
+the `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST` to the best of the sender&#39;s ability.
</pre>
<p>It's not really actionable though.  If your intent is to state an interoperability requirement (why else do you use MUST), what do we lose if someone violates that?  I mean, I know that NSS could try harder to comply, but we do have better things to do than add full support for oid_filter (just for example, which is really hard to implement in practice).</p>

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>  
-Some extensions used for certificate selection allow multiple values (e.g.
-oid_filters on Extended Key Usage). If the sender has included a non-empty
-Extensions list, the certificate MUST match all criteria specified by extensions
-the recipient recognizes. However, the recipient MUST ignore and skip any
-unrecognized certificate selection extensions.
+The Exported Authenticator `request` API defined in
+[I-D.ietf-tls-exported-authenticator] takes as input a set of desired
+certificate characteristics and a `certificate_request_context`. When generating
+exported authenticators for use with this extension, the
+`certificate_request_context` MUST be the two-octet Request-ID.

We probably need a minimum size to stop someone from inducing lots of requests until the right number comes up (for the stolen credentials they have).

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/481#discussion_r166149155">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-Some extensions used for certificate selection allow multiple values (e.g.
-oid_filters on Extended Key Usage). If the sender has included a non-empty
-Extensions list, the certificate MUST match all criteria specified by extensions
-the recipient recognizes. However, the recipient MUST ignore and skip any
-unrecognized certificate selection extensions.
+The Exported Authenticator `request` API defined in
+[I-D.ietf-tls-exported-authenticator] takes as input a set of desired
+certificate characteristics and a `certificate_request_context`. When generating
+exported authenticators for use with this extension, the
+`certificate_request_context` MUST be the two-octet Request-ID.
</pre>
<p>We probably need a minimum size to stop someone from inducing lots of requests until the right number comes up (for the stolen credentials they have).</p>

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>   - Using the `get context` API, retrieve the `certificate_request_context` used
    to generate the authenticator, if any.
- - Verify that the `certificate_request_context` is the Request-ID of a
-   previously-sent `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST` frame.  Alternatively, on clients the
-   `certificate_request_context` MAY also be empty.
+ - Verify that the `certificate_request_context` is either empty (clients only)
+   or the Request-ID of a previously-sent `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST` frame.

Or *contains* the Request-ID.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/481#discussion_r166149265">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;   - Using the `get context` API, retrieve the `certificate_request_context` used
    to generate the authenticator, if any.
- - Verify that the `certificate_request_context` is the Request-ID of a
-   previously-sent `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST` frame.  Alternatively, on clients the
-   `certificate_request_context` MAY also be empty.
+ - Verify that the `certificate_request_context` is either empty (clients only)
+   or the Request-ID of a previously-sent `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST` frame.
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<p>Or <em>contains</em> the Request-ID.</p>

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> @@ -566,9 +566,10 @@ Request:
 
 The Exported Authenticator `request` API defined in
 [I-D.ietf-tls-exported-authenticator] takes as input a set of desired
-certificate characteristics and a `certificate_request_context`. When generating
-exported authenticators for use with this extension, the
-`certificate_request_context` MUST be the two-octet Request-ID.
+certificate characteristics and a `certificate_request_context`, which needs to
+be unpredictable. When generating exported authenticators for use with this
+extension, the `certificate_request_context` MUST be the two-octet Request-ID,
+followed by at least six random octets.

I don't think that we need to stipulate order.  Can we say that it contains both the two-octet Request-ID and at least 96 bits of additional entropy.   (64-bits total isn't enough to avoid the problem I was talking about, especially when you consider that there is a good reason to choose a sequential Request-ID, which reduces that to 48 bits).

BTW, those extra bits can be constructed using HMAC(secret, Request-ID), rather than randomness.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/481#discussion_r166149825">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -566,9 +566,10 @@ Request:
 
 The Exported Authenticator `request` API defined in
 [I-D.ietf-tls-exported-authenticator] takes as input a set of desired
-certificate characteristics and a `certificate_request_context`. When generating
-exported authenticators for use with this extension, the
-`certificate_request_context` MUST be the two-octet Request-ID.
+certificate characteristics and a `certificate_request_context`, which needs to
+be unpredictable. When generating exported authenticators for use with this
+extension, the `certificate_request_context` MUST be the two-octet Request-ID,
+followed by at least six random octets.
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<p>I don't think that we need to stipulate order.  Can we say that it contains both the two-octet Request-ID and at least 96 bits of additional entropy.   (64-bits total isn't enough to avoid the problem I was talking about, especially when you consider that there is a good reason to choose a sequential Request-ID, which reduces that to 48 bits).</p>
<p>BTW, those extra bits can be constructed using HMAC(secret, Request-ID), rather than randomness.</p>

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@MikeBishop pushed 1 commit.

9cfbb2c  Typo


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The pictures are great anchors for finding frames.  Omitting them makes it harder to read the document.

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<p>The pictures are great anchors for finding frames.  Omitting them makes it harder to read the document.</p>

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CERTIFICATE_NEEDED and USE_CERTIFICATE use different identifiers.  The potential for confusion about these is immense.

As I understand it, there is no direct need for correlation between these.  This is largely because we hope that a response (or acceptance thereof) is largely conditioned on the set of certificates available, not the way that those certificate were requested, and so correlating CERTIFICATE_NEEDED isn't important.  (In light of this, the text on confusion of clients the the description of CERTIFICATE_NEEDED is just confusing to me.)

* CERTIFICATE_NEEDED includes a Request-ID, which is also used in a CERTIFICATE_REQUEST.
* CERTIFICATE_REQUEST includes an authenticator request, which also includes the Request-ID (and some extra entropy now).
* CERTIFICATE includes a Cert-ID.  This is bound back to a CERTIFICATE_REQUEST using the contents of the authenticator itself (the exported authenticator "get context" API).
* USE_CERTIFICATE includes a Cert-ID.

Thus, it is possible to follow the process full-circle, but it is generally not necessary.  A server should determine what response it wants to provide based on the certificates it has, not on how they were requested.  The same goes for a client that is accepting a response.

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<p>CERTIFICATE_NEEDED and USE_CERTIFICATE use different identifiers.  The potential for confusion about these is immense.</p>
<p>As I understand it, there is no direct need for correlation between these.  This is largely because we hope that a response (or acceptance thereof) is largely conditioned on the set of certificates available, not the way that those certificate were requested, and so correlating CERTIFICATE_NEEDED isn't important.  (In light of this, the text on confusion of clients the the description of CERTIFICATE_NEEDED is just confusing to me.)</p>
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<li>CERTIFICATE_NEEDED includes a Request-ID, which is also used in a CERTIFICATE_REQUEST.</li>
<li>CERTIFICATE_REQUEST includes an authenticator request, which also includes the Request-ID (and some extra entropy now).</li>
<li>CERTIFICATE includes a Cert-ID.  This is bound back to a CERTIFICATE_REQUEST using the contents of the authenticator itself (the exported authenticator "get context" API).</li>
<li>USE_CERTIFICATE includes a Cert-ID.</li>
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<p>Thus, it is possible to follow the process full-circle, but it is generally not necessary.  A server should determine what response it wants to provide based on the certificates it has, not on how they were requested.  The same goes for a client that is accepting a response.</p>

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I think that it would be better to explicitly reference CERTIFICATE_REQUEST in the cases where a CERTIFICATE is generated directly in response to one.  Using the "get context" API from exported authenticators is ugly.

This is more important now that exported authenticators folds the request into the response.

We probably want to use a flag for whether this is spontaneous so that we can avoid reserving a Request-ID for spontaneous CERTIFICATE messages.

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<p>I think that it would be better to explicitly reference CERTIFICATE_REQUEST in the cases where a CERTIFICATE is generated directly in response to one.  Using the "get context" API from exported authenticators is ugly.</p>
<p>This is more important now that exported authenticators folds the request into the response.</p>
<p>We probably want to use a flag for whether this is spontaneous so that we can avoid reserving a Request-ID for spontaneous CERTIFICATE messages.</p>

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I was following the convention that frames with a single field don't get a picture.  However, I see that QUIC is now only omitting for frames that don't have a payload at all, or are exact duplicates of a different frame.  Perhaps HTTP/QUIC should do likewise.

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Right, and I started doing that because it's easier to scan the document to find what you need when you have nice pictures breaking things up.

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<p>Right, and I started doing that because it's easier to scan the document to find what you need when you have nice pictures breaking things up.</p>

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...which is how the RFC Editor likes it.
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-- Commit Summary --

  * move acks to the end and make them unnumbered

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md (17)

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<p>...which is how the RFC Editor likes it.</p>

<hr>

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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href='https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/487'>https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/487</a></p>

<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
<ul>
  <li>move acks to the end and make them unnumbered</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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  <li>
    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/487/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md</a>
    (17)
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A client->server "I'm going to send a CD, you might not want to push until you see it" setting sounds reasonable to me. I would imagine that clients that support CD will always send it; servers that think they know better can ignore it, of course.

ACCEPT_CACHE_DIGEST seems like it's optimised for the case that the browser doesn't want to send CD until it knows the server wants it, and it's OK if it doesn't show up in the first RT or two of the connection -- i.e., the client sends it sometime after the first request, and everyone is willing to wear a bit of inefficiency in the first few pushes, because we assume that there will be further interactions on the connection that can benefit from CD.

I think I agree that doesn't work so well for 3rd party content. 

However, making settings persistent beyond  the scope of a connection is something we've shied away from in the past; it's effectively defining a new kind of cache. Also, from a developer experience perspective, emitting new SETTINGS is not easy from some servers (never mind load balancers, CDNs, etc).

If @mikewest's [Origin Policy](https://wicg.github.io/origin-policy/) had any life in it, that might be appropriate here. Alternatively, we could define a well-known resource for this sort of origin-wide HTTP configuration along the lines of [Site-Wide HTTP Headers](https://mnot.github.io/I-D/site-wide-headers/). 

That would make the interaction something like:

~~~
c                                    s
+   SETTING WAIT_FOR_MY_DIGEST       +
|   SETTING I_WANT_HTTPSTUFF         |
|         GET /whatever              |
| +--------------------------------> |
|                                    |
|    PUSH /.well-known/httpstuff     |
| <--------------------------------+ |
|                                    |
|        200 OK /whatever            |
| <--------------------------------+ |
|                                    |
|        CACHE_DIGEST                |
| +--------------------------------> |
|                                    |
|    PUSH some other stuff           |
| <--------------------------------+ |
|                                    |
|                                    |




~~~

WDYT? Of course, we could also define a response header to do this, or a couple of other things.

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<p>A client-&gt;server "I'm going to send a CD, you might not want to push =
until you see it" setting sounds reasonable to me. I would imagine that cli=
ents that support CD will always send it; servers that think they know bett=
er can ignore it, of course.</p>
<p>ACCEPT_CACHE_DIGEST seems like it's optimised for the case that the brow=
ser doesn't want to send CD until it knows the server wants it, and it's OK=
 if it doesn't show up in the first RT or two of the connection -- i.e., th=
e client sends it sometime after the first request, and everyone is willing=
 to wear a bit of inefficiency in the first few pushes, because we assume t=
hat there will be further interactions on the connection that can benefit f=
rom CD.</p>
<p>I think I agree that doesn't work so well for 3rd party content.</p>
<p>However, making settings persistent beyond  the scope of a connection is=
 something we've shied away from in the past; it's effectively defining a n=
ew kind of cache. Also, from a developer experience perspective, emitting n=
ew SETTINGS is not easy from some servers (never mind load balancers, CDNs,=
 etc).</p>
<p>If <a href=3D"https://github.com/mikewest" class=3D"user-mention">@mikew=
est</a>'s <a href=3D"https://wicg.github.io/origin-policy/" rel=3D"nofollow=
">Origin Policy</a> had any life in it, that might be appropriate here. Alt=
ernatively, we could define a well-known resource for this sort of origin-w=
ide HTTP configuration along the lines of <a href=3D"https://mnot.github.io=
/I-D/site-wide-headers/" rel=3D"nofollow">Site-Wide HTTP Headers</a>.</p>
<p>That would make the interaction something like:</p>
<pre><code>c                                    s
+   SETTING WAIT_FOR_MY_DIGEST       +
|   SETTING I_WANT_HTTPSTUFF         |
|         GET /whatever              |
| +--------------------------------&gt; |
|                                    |
|    PUSH /.well-known/httpstuff     |
| &lt;--------------------------------+ |
|                                    |
|        200 OK /whatever            |
| &lt;--------------------------------+ |
|                                    |
|        CACHE_DIGEST                |
| +--------------------------------&gt; |
|                                    |
|    PUSH some other stuff           |
| &lt;--------------------------------+ |
|                                    |
|                                    |




</code></pre>
<p>WDYT? Of course, we could also define a response header to do this, or a=
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Does anything stop someone from saying "my application looks up the well-known HTTPS url on  port nnnn..."?

Should it? (doing wellknownbis now...).

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<p>Does anything stop someone from saying "my application looks up the well-known HTTPS url on  port nnnn..."?</p>
<p>Should it? (doing wellknownbis now...).</p>

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Merged #478.

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Thanks!

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Reopening; forgot that 7616 added algorithm agility.

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<p>Reopening; forgot that 7616 added algorithm agility.</p>

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Reopened #457.

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The capabilities of client regarding things like automatic handling of redirects varies widely; while it's assumed in Web browsers, it's much less clear what's expected for other applications.


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<p>The capabilities of client regarding things like automatic handling of redirects varies widely; while it's assumed in Web browsers, it's much less clear what's expected for other applications.</p>

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Michael Sweet pointed out IPP, which uses HTTP POST and status codes (very basically) to get its job done, and it doesn't register anything new.

When this is the case, it doesn't seem harmful to say that they can use HTTP registries. What's harmful is when a non-HTTP protocol puts something into HTTP's registries, creating confusing about what can be used where.

Is it sensible to drop the aspect of "using HTTP" that is:

> The message formats described in {{RFC7230}} and/or {{RFC7540}} are used in conjunction with the IANA registries defined for HTTP.

... and add a requirement that protocols that are based upon HTTP MUST not register anything in HTTP's registries, but instead define their own registries if they want to add new protocol artefacts?

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<p>Michael Sweet pointed out IPP, which uses HTTP POST and status codes (very basically) to get its job done, and it doesn't register anything new.</p>
<p>When this is the case, it doesn't seem harmful to say that they can use HTTP registries. What's harmful is when a non-HTTP protocol puts something into HTTP's registries, creating confusing about what can be used where.</p>
<p>Is it sensible to drop the aspect of "using HTTP" that is:</p>
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<p>The message formats described in {{RFC7230}} and/or {{RFC7540}} are used in conjunction with the IANA registries defined for HTTP.</p>
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<p>... and add a requirement that protocols that are based upon HTTP MUST not register anything in HTTP's registries, but instead define their own registries if they want to add new protocol artefacts?</p>

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Is it good practice to use RFC2119 requirements in a BCP like this?

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<p>Is it good practice to use RFC2119 requirements in a BCP like this?</p>

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It's a fine line; I'd go one step further.  It's okay if they use the entries *unchanged*.  They MUST NOT register anything new, and they MUST NOT modify the semantics of existing entries.

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<p>It's a fine line; I'd go one step further.  It's okay if they use the entries <em>unchanged</em>.  They MUST NOT register anything new, and they MUST NOT modify the semantics of existing entries.</p>

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This foremost relates to the arbitrary limits that cookie stores place on cookies, both globally and per-domain.

RFC 6265 says the following:

>   At any time, the user agent MAY "remove excess cookies" from the
>   cookie store if the number of cookies sharing a domain field exceeds
>   some implementation-defined upper bound (such as 50 cookies).
>
>   At any time, the user agent MAY "remove excess cookies" from the
>   cookie store if the cookie store exceeds some predetermined upper
>   bound (such as 3000 cookies).
>
>   When the user agent removes excess cookies from the cookie store, the
>   user agent MUST evict cookies in the following priority order:
>
>   1.  Expired cookies.
>
>   2.  Cookies that share a domain field with more than a predetermined
>       number of other cookies.
>
>   3.  All cookies.
>
>   If two cookies have the same removal priority, the user agent MUST
>   evict the cookie with the earliest last-access date first.

We did some investigation into this and discovered some problems with this process as implemented.  Browsers tend to remove a fixed number of cookies once they hit storage limits.  From what I can tell, browsers sort by last-access, but remove up to a fixed number of cookies.

This is bad for the integrity of storage.  Retaining some, but not all cookies is a great recipe for getting incomplete state. That can be a security exposure. That was part of what made some of the attacks in [this paper](https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/usenixsecurity15/sec15-paper-zheng.pdf) possible and motivated the the [leave-secure-cookies-alone](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-west-leave-secure-cookies-alone) fix.

When we looked at this we first concluded on the following algorithm:

1. If cookies exceed the limit, remove all cookies for other domains (for `foo.example.com`, remove `(!foo).example.com` cookies, but not example.com cookies).
2. If cookies still exceed the limit, remove all cookies for other paths (for `foo.example.com/foo`, remove `foo.example.com/(!foo)`).
3. If cookies still exceed the limit, remove all related cookies (for `foo.example.com`, remove anything ending in `example.com`).

On review, I think that we can continue to use last-access date to drive this, with a much smaller change.  I'm proposing two small changes:

* Require that last-access is set to the same value for every accessed cookie when constructing the Cookie header field (the text currently says the "current date and time".

* Require that when an unexpired cookie is removed, require that all cookies that share a domain and have the same (or older) last-access date also be removed.

This ensures that if a site receives incomplete cookie state, then it is at least an incomplete state that might reasonably have been created by an adjacent site.  For example, say that `foo.example.com` installs and depends on cookies at `example.com`, then if `bar.example.com` triggers deletion, then it will remove only `foo.example.com` cookies.  It can't be perfect because there is a risk that `example.com` cookies are actually specific to `foo.example.com` and have an interdependency on `foo.example.com` cookies, but that's a risk we're already exposed to.

This can result in the same results as the algorithm I described above, but it also might allow for more granular removal.  For instance, if `1.example.com` through `9.example.com` are visited in that order and `9.example.com` causes cookies to exceed the limit, then cookies will be removed for `1.example.com` first The algorithm above would cause cookies for 1 through 8 to be removed at once, which is more severe than we need.

As the people driving this no longer work for Mozilla, I thought that I would record our conclusions.  I don't know if we have the resources to continue to investigate implementation, but I'm happy to create a PR for the relevant section if the WG thinks that this is a reasonable change.

I understand that @mikewest still prefers [cookie priorities](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-west-cookie-priority), but no one at Mozilla has any interest in that solution and it didn't seem to get any traction when we discussed it before.

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<p>This foremost relates to the arbitrary limits that cookie stores place on cookies, both globally and per-domain.</p>
<p>RFC 6265 says the following:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>At any time, the user agent MAY "remove excess cookies" from the<br>
cookie store if the number of cookies sharing a domain field exceeds<br>
some implementation-defined upper bound (such as 50 cookies).</p>
<p>At any time, the user agent MAY "remove excess cookies" from the<br>
cookie store if the cookie store exceeds some predetermined upper<br>
bound (such as 3000 cookies).</p>
<p>When the user agent removes excess cookies from the cookie store, the<br>
user agent MUST evict cookies in the following priority order:</p>
<ol>
<li>
<p>Expired cookies.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Cookies that share a domain field with more than a predetermined<br>
number of other cookies.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>All cookies.</p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>If two cookies have the same removal priority, the user agent MUST<br>
evict the cookie with the earliest last-access date first.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>We did some investigation into this and discovered some problems with this process as implemented.  Browsers tend to remove a fixed number of cookies once they hit storage limits.  From what I can tell, browsers sort by last-access, but remove up to a fixed number of cookies.</p>
<p>This is bad for the integrity of storage.  Retaining some, but not all cookies is a great recipe for getting incomplete state. That can be a security exposure. That was part of what made some of the attacks in <a href="https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/usenixsecurity15/sec15-paper-zheng.pdf" rel="nofollow">this paper</a> possible and motivated the the <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-west-leave-secure-cookies-alone" rel="nofollow">leave-secure-cookies-alone</a> fix.</p>
<p>When we looked at this we first concluded on the following algorithm:</p>
<ol>
<li>If cookies exceed the limit, remove all cookies for other domains (for <code>foo.example.com</code>, remove <code>(!foo).example.com</code> cookies, but not example.com cookies).</li>
<li>If cookies still exceed the limit, remove all cookies for other paths (for <code>foo.example.com/foo</code>, remove <code>foo.example.com/(!foo)</code>).</li>
<li>If cookies still exceed the limit, remove all related cookies (for <code>foo.example.com</code>, remove anything ending in <code>example.com</code>).</li>
</ol>
<p>On review, I think that we can continue to use last-access date to drive this, with a much smaller change.  I'm proposing two small changes:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Require that last-access is set to the same value for every accessed cookie when constructing the Cookie header field (the text currently says the "current date and time".</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Require that when an unexpired cookie is removed, require that all cookies that share a domain and have the same (or older) last-access date also be removed.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>This ensures that if a site receives incomplete cookie state, then it is at least an incomplete state that might reasonably have been created by an adjacent site.  For example, say that <code>foo.example.com</code> installs and depends on cookies at <code>example.com</code>, then if <code>bar.example.com</code> triggers deletion, then it will remove only <code>foo.example.com</code> cookies.  It can't be perfect because there is a risk that <code>example.com</code> cookies are actually specific to <code>foo.example.com</code> and have an interdependency on <code>foo.example.com</code> cookies, but that's a risk we're already exposed to.</p>
<p>This can result in the same results as the algorithm I described above, but it also might allow for more granular removal.  For instance, if <code>1.example.com</code> through <code>9.example.com</code> are visited in that order and <code>9.example.com</code> causes cookies to exceed the limit, then cookies will be removed for <code>1.example.com</code> first The algorithm above would cause cookies for 1 through 8 to be removed at once, which is more severe than we need.</p>
<p>As the people driving this no longer work for Mozilla, I thought that I would record our conclusions.  I don't know if we have the resources to continue to investigate implementation, but I'm happy to create a PR for the relevant section if the WG thinks that this is a reasonable change.</p>
<p>I understand that <a href="https://github.com/mikewest" class="user-mention">@mikewest</a> still prefers <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-west-cookie-priority" rel="nofollow">cookie priorities</a>, but no one at Mozilla has any interest in that solution and it didn't seem to get any traction when we discussed it before.</p>

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Bare labels are also used as the keys in dictionaries and parameters, so that seems... awkward. Also, it'd force everyone using labels to say "take the first member of the tuple...".

Another solution would be to serialise the label of PLABELs as uppercase on the wire.

E.g., a mixed list could look like:

> MixedListExample: 1, "foo", bar, BAZ;bat

.. containing an integer, string, label and plabel with one empty parameter.

Does that seem too hacky? I kind of like the visual emphasis of the "main" label, but discriminating data structures based on case... hm.

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<p>Bare labels are also used as the keys in dictionaries and parameters, so=
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<p>Another solution would be to serialise the label of PLABELs as uppercase=
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<p>E.g., a mixed list could look like:</p>
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<p>Does that seem too hacky? I kind of like the visual emphasis of the "mai=
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I just meant that what's there is only a sketch :)

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<p>I just meant that what's there is only a sketch :)</p>

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> Bare labels are also used as the keys in dictionaries and parameters, so that seems... awkward.

This is only the algorithm for lists, and lists are the only structures where a label or a plabel could exist in the same place. (?)

> Also, it'd force everyone using labels to say "take the first member of the tuple...".

Everyone using *lists of* labels.  But then, don't they already have to do some extra work in this space, since `list_member = item / parameterised`?

> Does that seem too hacky?

```
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the tuple...".</p>
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Just call me the problem dwarf.  (I dig too deep.)

Integer is a weird one, though.  The ABNF limits input to 19 characters (plus hyphen), the prose restricts output values, and the algorithm glosses the actual transformation of characters to value.  So the authoritative specification is all over the place.

Do you have to choose which part is more authoritativer (#477) before you can work out how to flesh out the sketch?

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In addition to @phluid61's great points, the draft says a goal is to be useful for "revisions of existing header field specifications". Changing the spelling of parameterised labels would seem to give up on that.

Re "take the first member of the tuple", I suspect the right wording for specifications is to talk about the label and its parameter map, not the tuple that the current parsing algorithm currently returns. Web specs would likely use ["structs"](https://infra.spec.whatwg.org/#structs) for this.

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One argument against 2 is that it robs future HPACK-oids of a clue to what they're being asked to compress.

One argument against 1 is that not having a type-marker reduces the chance of somebody defining a header as "Either a list or a dict".

I don't think I could personally make the call without a coin.



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The limits allow fixed-space implementations, which is a good thing from a security point of view.

We should examine how long min/typ/max headers going up to the proposed limits come out.

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<p>The limits allow fixed-space implementations, which is a good thing from a security point of view.</p>
<p>We should examine how long min/typ/max headers going up to the proposed limits come out.</p>

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I think we should retain the algorithms, because if *we* cannot write concise readable code for parsing this stuff, we have already failed before we reached the door.

With respect to label and plabel I think the close naming messes with our brains: "label" is an identifier, "plabel" is more like a function call with parameters.  Maybe "label" should be renamed to "ident" ?

The fact that the parser cannot tell them apart until it sees the ';' or something else, is not different from telling integer/float apart until we spot the '.'

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Another argument against 1:

Yes, "items" can be spotted by looking at the first char.

But you cannot tell integer from float until you run into a '.' or something else later.

Similarly label/plabel cannot be told apart until you run into a ';' or something else later.

So the real question seems to me to be if we want to be able to tell all the types apart from the first char ?

Given how simple our parsing rules are, I tend to say no, and thus no prefix-char on list/dict.


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<p>Another argument against 1:</p>
<p>Yes, "items" can be spotted by looking at the first char.</p>
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<p>Given how simple our parsing rules are, I tend to say no, and thus no pr=
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Both integer and float ABNF allows leading zeros.  Do we want that ?

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<p>Both integer and float ABNF allows leading zeros.  Do we want that ?</p>

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I'm not sure I understand the ban on '=' in binary content, how can that confuse dictionaries, when the binary content doesn't end until the final '*' ?

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<p>I'm not sure I understand the ban on '=' in binary content, how can that confuse dictionaries, when the binary content doesn't end until the final '*' ?</p>

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It's from when there wasn't a final delimiter. I think you're right; we should accept  `=`. I *think* we should also accept without.

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<p>It's from when there wasn't a final delimiter. I think you're right; we should accept  <code>=</code>. I <em>think</em> we should also accept without.</p>

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Probably not.

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<p>Probably not.</p>

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It is different, though, because a float must contain a `.` and an integer must not; a plabel (whatever it's called) can have zero parameters, in which case it's indistinguishable from an item/label.  No matter how you rationalise it, the algorithm will have to choose whether to return a scalar or a tuple as long as it could be one or the other.

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@jyasskin I don't think that changing the serialisation gives up on existing headers, if the existing header is case-insensitive. And, at any rate, that's an aspirational goal -- there are many existing headers where that won't be possible already (because of subtle error handling that can't be changed).

I think the heart of the issue is that all other non-top-level structures can be unambiguously identified, but because both label and plabel (or whatever we call it) can't, it's ambiguous.

I think that means that we need to either a) make them unambiguous, or b) disallow plablels (or whatever we call them) in lists.

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@bsdphk I don't understand the argument against 1; how does that prevent someone from saying "list or dict"? (not that I think that's going to be common, or even desirable).

As @phluid61 mentioned elsewhere, label/plabel is the "special" one, and something we need to fix. Otherwise, it's not *necessarily* the first character, but it does need to be deterministic (e.g., you can't reliably identify a structure if doing so relies on an optional part of the structure, which is currently the case with plabel).

Same with list/dict; e.g., currently, I can't examine a header without external information and tell whether something is an item or a single-member list. 

That matters if the consumer is expecting a particular structure.

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> or b) disallow plablels (or whatever we call them) in lists.

Or b(ii): split list into list-of-items and list-of-parameterised.

If top-level structures already have side-channel information about their type, it doesn't matter that the two lists are potentially indistinguishable; and it means we can still recreate the `Accept` header with q-values[*].  To quote myself up-thread, this is a reduction in capability, but not sure if YAGNI.

[*]: except for `*/*`

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<p>or b) disallow plablels (or whatever we call them) in lists.</p>
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<p>Or b(ii): split list into list-of-items and list-of-parameterised.</p>
<p>If top-level structures already have side-channel information about thei=
r type, it doesn't matter that the two lists are potentially indistinguisha=
ble; and it means we can still recreate the <code>Accept</code> header with=
 q-values[*].  To quote myself up-thread, this is a reduction in capability=
, but not sure if YAGNI.</p>
<p>[*]: except for <code>*/*</code></p>

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Good point, @phluid61. That seems viable; still not sure what I prefer :)

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<p>Good point, <a href="https://github.com/phluid61" class="user-mention">@phluid61</a>. That seems viable; still not sure what I prefer :)</p>

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I think we should just rely on whatever the B64 rfc says, without inventing anything new.  (Postel Was Wrong and all that.)

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<p>I think we should just rely on whatever the B64 rfc says, without inventing anything new.  (Postel Was Wrong and all that.)</p>

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"list or dict":  If your parser insist you tell you which up front, 'or' is not possible. (Well, retries etc, but)

And yes, a parser can tell if it is a dict or list as is, just not from the first non-OWS char, but we can't tell integer and float apart either that way, so I don't think that matters.

single-item list vs item:  Keep it simple:  Remove the text about headers being an item and force people to use either dict or list and note explicitly that lists can be restricted to length==1 ?



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<p>"list or dict":  If your parser insist you tell you which up front, 'or'=
 is not possible. (Well, retries etc, but)</p>
<p>And yes, a parser can tell if it is a dict or list as is, just not from =
the first non-OWS char, but we can't tell integer and float apart either th=
at way, so I don't think that matters.</p>
<p>single-item list vs item:  Keep it simple:  Remove the text about header=
s being an item and force people to use either dict or list and note explic=
itly that lists can be restricted to length=3D=3D1 ?</p>

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That's attractive, but it shifts the burden to those specifying single-item header fields; they now need to say what to do when the field value doesn't have exactly one member, whereas before saying it's an item (of whatever sort) took care of that.

For me, *the* major goal of this spec is to leave as few traps for the unwary as possible.

To be clear, I think that having parsers expose multiple functions is fine, and I don't think we need to prefix lists or dicts; IMO we can close this issue with no action. The real issue to fix that we're bleeding into is #443.

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Reopening, as a spot check of Python and NodeJS lead me to believe that it's common to be forgiving here in the language-provided base64 implementations. While someone *could* write a strict implementation (e.g., in a browser), it's going to be an uphill battle to require it with so many defaulting to not enforce this.

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It says:

> Implementations MUST include appropriate pad characters at the end of encoded data unless the specification referring to this document explicitly states otherwise.

I think we want to make it easy to conform to whatever we require with shipping implementations of base64. Spot-checking Python and Node, it seems like Python enforces the requirement, whereas Node does not. 

Given that, it seems like the sensible thing to do is to require the padding to be produced with a MUST, but only require parsers to reject content without padding as a SHOULD.

See also #473.

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I feel I should point out, the two _list_ examples in the current text are for a "list of ~~labels~~ identifiers" and a "list of parameterised labels".  While theoretical future use-case loving me appreciates supporting mixed-type arrays, I wonder how far we need to take it.

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What do other folks think about @phluid61's @b(ii)? @bsdphk?

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<p>What do other folks think about <a href="https://github.com/phluid61" class="user-mention">@phluid61</a>'s <a href="https://github.com/b" class="user-mention">@b</a>(ii)? <a href="https://github.com/bsdphk" class="user-mention">@bsdphk</a>?</p>

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Closed #496 via d31b03c56ce358d5ddb0026c0f1779c1a9736eba.

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<p>Closed <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/496" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="298857822" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/496">#496</a> via <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/commit/d31b03c56ce358d5ddb0026c0f1779c1a9736eba" class="commit-link"><tt>d31b03c</tt></a>.</p>

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mikewest approved this pull request.

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<p><b>@mikewest</b> approved this pull request.</p>

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Applications should allow features negotiated by HTTP to operate normally, rather than require pre-arranged behaviours. E.g., conneg.

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<p>Applications should allow features negotiated by HTTP to operate normally, rather than require pre-arranged behaviours. E.g., conneg.</p>

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<p>Closed <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/417" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="273242687" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/417">#417</a> via <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/commit/2d933a2d31850081b613633108061b3d7d520f1b" class="commit-link"><tt>2d933a2</tt></a>.</p>

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Simply swaps GCS with Cuckoo Filter.

The difference from #413 (which this PR is based upon) is that this PR retains the possibility of the client sending a digest of fresh resources without ETag values being included as part of the hash.

This was considered necessary so that an endpoint can determine if it needs to push a resource without the knowledge of the ETag value of the resource. For example, by URL being the only source of the hash function, a H2 proxy that just holds a list of preload URLs can determine which ones in the list needs to be pushed, _and then_ fetch them from origin servers to push them.
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  * Change from golomb sets to cuckoo filters
  * Fixed Markdown issue and removed myself as author
  * Removed reference to "computing"
  * define b
  * Review comments
  * Typo
  * Style issues in `fingerprint`
  * Fix wrong hash reference in fingerprint creation
  * Define hashing of fingerprint
  * remove N from fingerprint
  * Fix querying
  * Fixed allocation issues and fixed style
  * Clean up the algorithm and match it to the ref impl
  * Spec alignment when adding entries
  * Merge branch 'pr/413' into kazuho/h2-cache-digest/cuckoo
  * retain the fresh-stale distinction
  * remove reference to Rice encoding
  * update copyright to 2018
  * cuckoo filter by Joav!

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    M draft-ietf-httpbis-cache-digest.md (265)

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<p>Simply swaps GCS with Cuckoo Filter.</p>
<p>The difference from <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/413" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="271307359" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/413">#413</a> (which this PR is based upon) is that this PR retains the possibility of the client sending a digest of fresh resources without ETag values being included as part of the hash.</p>
<p>This was considered necessary so that an endpoint can determine if it needs to push a resource without the knowledge of the ETag value of the resource. For example, by URL being the only source of the hash function, a H2 proxy that just holds a list of preload URLs can determine which ones in the list needs to be pushed, <em>and then</em> fetch them from origin servers to push them.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Change from golomb sets to cuckoo filters</li>
  <li>Fixed Markdown issue and removed myself as author</li>
  <li>Removed reference to &quot;computing&quot;</li>
  <li>define b</li>
  <li>Review comments</li>
  <li>Typo</li>
  <li>Style issues in `fingerprint`</li>
  <li>Fix wrong hash reference in fingerprint creation</li>
  <li>Define hashing of fingerprint</li>
  <li>remove N from fingerprint</li>
  <li>Fix querying</li>
  <li>Fixed allocation issues and fixed style</li>
  <li>Clean up the algorithm and match it to the ref impl</li>
  <li>Spec alignment when adding entries</li>
  <li>Merge branch &#39;pr/413&#39; into kazuho/h2-cache-digest/cuckoo</li>
  <li>retain the fresh-stale distinction</li>
  <li>remove reference to Rice encoding</li>
  <li>update copyright to 2018</li>
  <li>cuckoo filter by Joav!</li>
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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/500/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-httpbis-cache-digest.md</a>
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yoavweiss commented on this pull request.



> @@ -375,10 +487,7 @@ The header may represent the cache state of a client or that of a proxy, dependi
 
 # Acknowledgements
 
-Thanks to Adam Langley and Giovanni Bajo for their explorations of Golomb-coded sets. In
-particular, see
-<http://giovanni.bajo.it/post/47119962313/golomb-coded-sets-smaller-than-bloom-filters>, which
-refers to sample code.
+Thanks to Joav Weiss for his idea and text to use Cuckoo Filter.

s/Joav/Yoav/ :D

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<p><b>@yoavweiss</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/500#discussion_r171257685">draft-ietf-httpbis-cache-digest.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -375,10 +487,7 @@ The header may represent the cache state of a client or that of a proxy, dependi
 
 # Acknowledgements
 
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-particular, see
-&lt;http://giovanni.bajo.it/post/47119962313/golomb-coded-sets-smaller-than-bloom-filters&gt;, which
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+Thanks to Joav Weiss for his idea and text to use Cuckoo Filter.
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> @@ -375,10 +487,7 @@ The header may represent the cache state of a client or that of a proxy, dependi
 
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-particular, see
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+Thanks to Joav Weiss for his idea and text to use Cuckoo Filter.

I'm terribly sorry for the mistake. Fixed in f8e63e2.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/500#discussion_r171279570">draft-ietf-httpbis-cache-digest.md</a>:</p>
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 # Acknowledgements
 
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-particular, see
-&lt;http://giovanni.bajo.it/post/47119962313/golomb-coded-sets-smaller-than-bloom-filters&gt;, which
-refers to sample code.
+Thanks to Joav Weiss for his idea and text to use Cuckoo Filter.
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@kazuho pushed 1 commit.

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> +9. While `maxcount` is larger than zero:
+    1. Let `position_start` be 40 + `h` * `f` \* `b`.
+    2. Let `position_end` be `position_start` + `f` \* `b`.
+    3. While `position_start` < `position_end`:
+        1. Let `bits` be `f` bits from `digest_value` starting at `position_start`.
+        2. If `bits` is all zeros, set `bits` to `dest_fingerprint` and terminate these steps.
+        3. Add `f` to `position_start`.
+    4. Let `e` be a random number from 0 to `b`.
+    5. Substract `f` * (`b` - `e`) from `position_start`.
+    6. Let `bits` be `f` bits from `digest_value` starting at `position_start`.
+    7. Let `fingerprint` be the value of bits, read as big endian.
+    8. Set `bits` to `dest_fingerprint`.
+    9. Set `dest_fingerprint` to `fingerprint`.
+    10. Let `h` be {{hash2}} with `h`, `dest_fingerprint` and `N` as inputs.
+    11. Substract 1 from `maxcount`.
+13. Substract `f` from `position_start`.

Double check that the generated text and HTML are correct. In the past, list numbers higher than 9 needed to wrap around to 0 to work correctly; not sure if that's been fixed or not.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/500#discussion_r171349497">draft-ietf-httpbis-cache-digest.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +9. While `maxcount` is larger than zero:
+    1. Let `position_start` be 40 + `h` * `f` \* `b`.
+    2. Let `position_end` be `position_start` + `f` \* `b`.
+    3. While `position_start` &lt; `position_end`:
+        1. Let `bits` be `f` bits from `digest_value` starting at `position_start`.
+        2. If `bits` is all zeros, set `bits` to `dest_fingerprint` and terminate these steps.
+        3. Add `f` to `position_start`.
+    4. Let `e` be a random number from 0 to `b`.
+    5. Substract `f` * (`b` - `e`) from `position_start`.
+    6. Let `bits` be `f` bits from `digest_value` starting at `position_start`.
+    7. Let `fingerprint` be the value of bits, read as big endian.
+    8. Set `bits` to `dest_fingerprint`.
+    9. Set `dest_fingerprint` to `fingerprint`.
+    10. Let `h` be {{hash2}} with `h`, `dest_fingerprint` and `N` as inputs.
+    11. Substract 1 from `maxcount`.
+13. Substract `f` from `position_start`.
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<p>Double check that the generated text and HTML are correct. In the past, list numbers higher than 9 needed to wrap around to 0 to work correctly; not sure if that's been fixed or not.</p>

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> @@ -470,6 +486,10 @@ authentication request identifier, `Request-ID`. A peer that receives a
 error of type `PROTOCOL_ERROR`. Frames with identical request
 identifiers refer to the same `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST`.
 
+The `CERTIFICATE_NEEDED` frame MUST NOT be sent by servers prior to seeing the
+end of the client's request, and then MUST NOT be sent if the client included a

Aside from the point raised by @martinthomson, I think we should allow a server to send a `CERTIFICATE_NEEDED` frame before seeing the end of the request.

As stated in https://github.com/MikeBishop/http2-certs/pull/17#discussion_r151328990, CGI (and other APIs that have been designed based on CGI) require the properties of a certificate (e.g. DN) to be sent before the request body.

Unless we allow the `CERTIFICATE_NEEDED` to be sent while the request body is being transmitted, a server will be required to buffer entire request body when it needs to enforce the use of a client certificate.

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<p><b>@kazuho</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/480#discussion_r171440847">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-secondary-certs.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -470,6 +486,10 @@ authentication request identifier, `Request-ID`. A peer that receives a
 error of type `PROTOCOL_ERROR`. Frames with identical request
 identifiers refer to the same `CERTIFICATE_REQUEST`.
 
+The `CERTIFICATE_NEEDED` frame MUST NOT be sent by servers prior to seeing the
+end of the client&#39;s request, and then MUST NOT be sent if the client included a
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<p>Aside from the point raised by <a href="https://github.com/martinthomson" class="user-mention">@martinthomson</a>, I think we should allow a server to send a <code>CERTIFICATE_NEEDED</code> frame before seeing the end of the request.</p>
<p>As stated in <a href="https://github.com/MikeBishop/http2-certs/pull/17#discussion_r151328990" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="274098272" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/MikeBishop/http2-certs/issues/17">MikeBishop/http2-certs#17 (comment)</a>, CGI (and other APIs that have been designed based on CGI) require the properties of a certificate (e.g. DN) to be sent before the request body.</p>
<p>Unless we allow the <code>CERTIFICATE_NEEDED</code> to be sent while the request body is being transmitted, a server will be required to buffer entire request body when it needs to enforce the use of a client certificate.</p>

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a701924  Merge branch 'master' into kazuho/h2-cache-digest/cuckoo


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My bad. I have accidentally removed the branch that caused the PR to get closed.

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<p>My bad. I have accidentally removed the branch that caused the PR to get closed.</p>

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Merged #413.

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kazuho commented on this pull request.



> +9. While `maxcount` is larger than zero:
+    1. Let `position_start` be 40 + `h` * `f` \* `b`.
+    2. Let `position_end` be `position_start` + `f` \* `b`.
+    3. While `position_start` < `position_end`:
+        1. Let `bits` be `f` bits from `digest_value` starting at `position_start`.
+        2. If `bits` is all zeros, set `bits` to `dest_fingerprint` and terminate these steps.
+        3. Add `f` to `position_start`.
+    4. Let `e` be a random number from 0 to `b`.
+    5. Substract `f` * (`b` - `e`) from `position_start`.
+    6. Let `bits` be `f` bits from `digest_value` starting at `position_start`.
+    7. Let `fingerprint` be the value of bits, read as big endian.
+    8. Set `bits` to `dest_fingerprint`.
+    9. Set `dest_fingerprint` to `fingerprint`.
+    10. Let `h` be {{hash2}} with `h`, `dest_fingerprint` and `N` as inputs.
+    11. Substract 1 from `maxcount`.
+13. Substract `f` from `position_start`.

Thank you for pointing that out.

The numbers were correctly handled by the parser, however the numbers in the markdown were wrong.

The issue has been fixed in 8469d48.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/pull/500#discussion_r171445557">draft-ietf-httpbis-cache-digest.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +9. While `maxcount` is larger than zero:
+    1. Let `position_start` be 40 + `h` * `f` \* `b`.
+    2. Let `position_end` be `position_start` + `f` \* `b`.
+    3. While `position_start` &lt; `position_end`:
+        1. Let `bits` be `f` bits from `digest_value` starting at `position_start`.
+        2. If `bits` is all zeros, set `bits` to `dest_fingerprint` and terminate these steps.
+        3. Add `f` to `position_start`.
+    4. Let `e` be a random number from 0 to `b`.
+    5. Substract `f` * (`b` - `e`) from `position_start`.
+    6. Let `bits` be `f` bits from `digest_value` starting at `position_start`.
+    7. Let `fingerprint` be the value of bits, read as big endian.
+    8. Set `bits` to `dest_fingerprint`.
+    9. Set `dest_fingerprint` to `fingerprint`.
+    10. Let `h` be {{hash2}} with `h`, `dest_fingerprint` and `N` as inputs.
+    11. Substract 1 from `maxcount`.
+13. Substract `f` from `position_start`.
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<p>Thank you for pointing that out.</p>
<p>The numbers were correctly handled by the parser, however the numbers in the markdown were wrong.</p>
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- multiple implementations
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- multiple versions

all co-existing

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@bsdphk @phluid61 have a quick look at the commit above? Would like to publish a new draft soon.

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(btw as I did this, I came to really like this approach)

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I think you're missing a `param_id` before the `0*255` to match the "with 1 to 256 members" above.

The approach looks good to me.

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<p>I think you're missing a <code>param_id</code> before the <code>0*255</code> to match the "with 1 to 256 members" above.</p>
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"more than 256 members" to match the bound above?

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<p>"more than 256 members" to match the bound above?</p>

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Yes! Thanks.

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Oops, thx.

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Nothing major, but s/Substract/Subtract/ig

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<p>Nothing major, but s/Substract/Subtract/ig</p>

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Merged #498.

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@martinthomson Thank you for pointing that out. I was able to fix that in a8f1ca0 prior to submitting -03.

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<p><a href="https://github.com/martinthomson" class="user-mention">@martinthomson</a> Thank you for pointing that out. I was able to fix that in <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/commit/a8f1ca073cb3346822daa5ea1e9c3d6b24179724" class="commit-link"><tt>a8f1ca0</tt></a> prior to submitting -03.</p>

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Looks good to me, once you fix the number problems @jyasskin pointed out.

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<p>Looks good to me, once you fix the number problems <a href="https://github.com/jyasskin" class="user-mention">@jyasskin</a> pointed out.</p>

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