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the current draft. In the introduction of the document, the following statement is made. * It just informs client of the fact that a resource is deprecated. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dalal-deprecation-header-00#section-1 In the documentation, there is further qualification, =D8 For a resource, deprecation could involve one or more parts of * request, response or both. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dalal-deprecation-header-00#section-3.1 There is then a list of potential partial deprecations, including methods, = headers and request or response body elements. By introducing the possibility of signalling the deprecation of some elemen= t of the overall HTTP interaction, it seems to be in conflict with the orig= inal statement that says a =93resource is deprecated=94. It also introduce= s other conflicts such as not allowing multiple deprecation headers. If de= precation can be partial, wouldn=92t it be likely there would be multiple d= eprecations for a single resource? The Sunset header is more explicit about the granularity of impact. RFC 85= 94 describes the impact of the sunset header, =D8 indicates that a URI is likely to become unresponsive at a =D8 specified point in the future https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8594 Is it intended that there be different granularity for the deprecated heade= r vs sunset header? Darrel --_000_CH2PR00MB0842A4B482CA4E290BFA772CF0F29CH2PR00MB0842namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Erik,

 

There are some issues that I would like to clarify w= ith the current draft. 

 

In the introduction of the document, the following s= tatement is made.

 

  • It just informs client of the fact t= hat a resource is deprecated.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dalal-dep= recation-header-00#section-1

 

In the documentation, there is further qualification= ,

 

=D8  For a resou= rce, deprecation could involve one or more parts of

  • request, response or both.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dalal-d= eprecation-header-00#section-3.1

 

There is then a list of potential partial deprecatio= ns, including methods, headers and request or response body elements.<= /o:p>

 

By introducing the possibility of signalling the dep= recation of some element of the overall HTTP interaction, it seems to be in= conflict with the original statement that says a =93resource is deprecated= =94.  It also introduces other conflicts such as not allowing multiple deprecation headers.  If deprecation ca= n be partial, wouldn=92t it be likely there would be multiple deprecations = for a single resource?

 

The Sunset header is more explicit about the granula= rity of impact.  RFC 8594 describes the impact of the sunset header,

 

<=
span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">=D8  indicates that a URI is likely to become unresponsive at a<=
/span>
<=
span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">=D8     specified point in the future

http= s://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8594

 

Is it intended that there be different granularity f= or the deprecated header vs sunset header?

 

Darrel

 

 

--_000_CH2PR00MB0842A4B482CA4E290BFA772CF0F29CH2PR00MB0842namp_-- From nobody Wed Dec 2 20:30:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5287D3A0AB9 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2020 20:30:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4Tgk6Ote42hM for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2020 20:30:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from postoffice.gristmillmedia.com (dret.net [209.188.86.86]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A62103A0AC5 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2020 20:30:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [108.205.51.24] (port=55172 helo=dretpro.attlocal.net) by postoffice.gristmillmedia.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1kkgG2-0001f3-Gm; Wed, 02 Dec 2020 23:30:18 -0500 To: Darrel Miller , "httpapi@ietf.org" References: From: Erik Wilde Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 20:30:15 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - postoffice.gristmillmedia.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - dret.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: postoffice.gristmillmedia.com: authenticated_id: birdhouse@dret.net X-Authenticated-Sender: postoffice.gristmillmedia.com: birdhouse@dret.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [httpapi] Scope of deprecation header X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2020 04:30:28 -0000 hello darrel. just as a quick note, while i am thinking about an actual response to your question... On 2020-12-02 18:07, Darrel Miller wrote: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dalal-deprecation-header-00#section-1 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dalal-deprecation-header-00#section-3.1 please use version 3 when reading/quoting the draft. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dalal-deprecation-header-03 but in this case it doesn't matter as the parts that you are referring to also exist in version 3. i'll come back with a response very soon. cheers, dret. -- erik wilde | mailto:erik.wilde@dret.net | | http://dret.net/netdret | | http://twitter.com/dret | From nobody Thu Dec 10 07:21:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCBCE3A0140 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2020 07:21:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9Ymm9dOIQjxE for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2020 07:21:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from postoffice.gristmillmedia.com (dret.net [209.188.86.86]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69C4B3A0CD5 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2020 07:21:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [108.205.51.24] (port=62520 helo=dretpro.attlocal.net) by postoffice.gristmillmedia.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1knNl4-0005ev-As; Thu, 10 Dec 2020 10:21:30 -0500 To: "Salz, Rich" , "httpapi@ietf.org" Cc: Herbert Van de Sompel References: <381976c6-7dd2-f8ea-bf24-f6e61eb5b774@dret.net> <0B773221-0D95-4BA9-8200-B46FB73DA31A@akamai.com> From: Erik Wilde Message-ID: <37b8c1f9-c4ae-a34b-e862-094f5fd90a85@dret.net> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 07:21:27 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0B773221-0D95-4BA9-8200-B46FB73DA31A@akamai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - postoffice.gristmillmedia.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - dret.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: postoffice.gristmillmedia.com: authenticated_id: birdhouse@dret.net X-Authenticated-Sender: postoffice.gristmillmedia.com: birdhouse@dret.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Archived-At: Subject: [httpapi] adopting the linkset draft: next steps X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 15:21:35 -0000 hello rich. thanks for the clarification. On 2020-11-30 17:37, Salz, Rich wrote: > The formal description of the workflow is at https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc2026 > > A call for adoption means that the WG members want to work on the document. New drafts are often presented at the IETF meetings (like we just had), and then we poll the room to see if there's interest. The official process is that everyone done virtual or at F2F meetings must be confirmed on the mailing list. Per the minutes: > Rate Limit Headers will be confirmed on the mailing list > Deprecation header will be confirmed on the mailing list > Linkset has concerns about duplication of efforts, but we'll discuss adoption on the mailing list how is this discussion of the adoption initiated? we have two rather big use cases that would benefit a lot from making progress, so if possible i'd like to start with whatever the next step is going to be. from my recollection there was only one question which was about clarifying the relationship with CoRE, and i think that has been addressed already. if there are any outstanding issues, i'd like to start discussing them now so that we can move forward to the next step. thanks a lot and cheers, dret. -- erik wilde | mailto:erik.wilde@dret.net | | http://dret.net/netdret | | http://twitter.com/dret | From nobody Thu Dec 10 07:57:52 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A10193A105D for ; 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Thu, 10 Dec 2020 08:54:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: httpapi-chairs@ietf.org, barryleiba@computer.org, rsalz@akamai.com, httpapi@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.23.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <160761929821.21647.14137481674741957807@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 08:54:58 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [httpapi] httpapi - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 110 X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 16:54:59 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Rich Salz, a Chair of the httpapi working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area Session Requester: Rich Salz Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 150 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair Conflict: acme Technology Overlap: tls quic httpbis People who must be present: Rich Salz Barry Leiba Mark Nottingham Darrel Miller Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Thu Dec 10 16:09:19 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietf.org Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 543CE3A1368; 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Fri, 11 Dec 2020 01:00:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <98CF8EB1-7D31-429E-AFC8-3C7F8DAC42B2@akamai.com> In-Reply-To: <98CF8EB1-7D31-429E-AFC8-3C7F8DAC42B2@akamai.com> From: Roberto Polli Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 10:00:11 +0100 Message-ID: To: "Salz, Rich" Cc: "httpapi@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [httpapi] Call for adoption on deprecation header X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 09:00:25 -0000 Dear Rich, I confirm the interest in the adoption of this I-D, and my intention to contribute to its development. Thanks again to Erik and the other editors for this proposal. Have a nice day, R: Il giorno gio 10 dic 2020 alle ore 17:01 Salz, Rich ha scritto: > > At our meeting during IETF 109 there was strong consensus to adopt > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dalal-deprecation-header-03 > > as a working group item. If you feel strongly that we should not do so, please reply by the end of next week. If you are willing to contribute, please feel free to say so as well. > > > > > > -- > httpapi mailing list > httpapi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/httpapi From nobody Sun Dec 13 07:53:22 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F29F3A17AE for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 07:53:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qY--VtuNw8nI for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 07:53:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 432AB3A17AD for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 07:53:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1607874793; bh=OqaFOWwYeWGuRDl4B/lfkaEIgPyQkdH/3nHbPlUpDwU=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Em09IzSUgS0OGKS3HnywGMNvDOaxwx4Ov42CZUrgXoP/huRTIwoBgflUDdwqKnfTG AMOJaMrDtmE8yuciIW4zQC2qLQDKj3p2mnxSqW8A2UUb2Q7tw2SYqxCmqQg2NggkDX AnpqtneaTklOK4fQ0Q4ZbD0yFPplPY3W52PyjtJ4= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.20] ([84.171.144.226]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MF3HU-1kv17Z0ZRY-00FPGe for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 16:53:13 +0100 To: httpapi@ietf.org References: <31275FCA-9127-45EE-B3B2-33B8E05C3049@akamai.com> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <7114c872-df20-1190-71f5-41938bd9f881@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 16:53:11 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <31275FCA-9127-45EE-B3B2-33B8E05C3049@akamai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ppG0W3svWBD+w2VWpcp4u/WcWXehVEqIyiy/kmuqkeIrPDUA2AB IEqdImztyebEtJ6N4E+QLhZBoTHgheoavlGeKvltz87k4eqVNghIQcNDwzWSwOMpedMYwfe SAo/n3kHIRbHZCD7fgurJnY0xqtFHdzhp5Ss7Gjmi89yKEMkQXWOIS5xBdu5hgt+AYRcKve QtbfLQJxgsd/kQVfWSTUw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:tEsYXxxfHpc=:OWTwtxNPQuv7ktte6E6QKy RzeEVJiKzKkLn9sjmDvPBzFKHxmU+mTVAy+t6TLPpHayQFXcL1LjwdcOZ2c/3R7L5E91DhRla vO7CsQiW+gAmn4sKxXibT2yTczd786F9H9YQsnwmj4OSCPwvi9WVGE9YeSc+lLlG7mL3TcRH8 XuobmzdyIiqAXccvTQQLUlb7T/KFi4KWEOxTxp0oRfDEv+Cj168XN9MFPLRoWgDI2FsoqKY5D rDfqt6m60+bQX2vyS5Eid0Q69jfjzeVZXWiw9Bzzl1CQ/YOE20sEpyveVlEg/KWCRmEc54q8i FkVgcg/BQUSGdynzIvM5AIHreizJZzG8x9aJXHbdDvPFRLrun++wZzQ1iRMtvLmoFubJziKgt UWAILGgmul9e4MkpgRfotpUK+++FrDJrN873C88eSk3WtpgZZaizGfOy8TMKHmJDDIi23ebxo /0fU7MhmV8uTfuucEhG08a1BkFlB8NsItiPPVw8xxTomGKsd3msw86ujLcCE1tqTIEs8Wh2RB MantrXw17MVfYX58w1Ivc8bFz/B2vmsnEyVThgrE8lMhSYy43OOXwCTu+XnHzHtZcWuE1Hro0 SM0pPBvuOvLfSdDFQKG7l3j+SOJuRywCVOnvKxCIaWLHL8JmyDjA8M0LpqF00UzB2GNwYea++ 5V60NH23kcPl3DyGNEhf1aL35asTh+SHKeHAjm2TSXrwUFggAfMxjWEYtqBJK4EwxOzXe/uFi AGxwhMYAUnpdGv3WG20gvjwe5R3b8zJ4kiH86Nfg4zo+lHstOGX+JIdEH4TETIauBW3M+petZ gkuy+UvnEXVI48xoHIz++LYmwYuH06OKSw91N28uHrgj1bsrqaXZHmONBFF8uqzDvHQarcpCt FsxGsRkv7CPOOGmB+xYA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [httpapi] Call for adoption of rate limit headers X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 15:53:21 -0000 Am 10.12.2020 um 16:59 schrieb Salz, Rich: > At our meeting during IETF 109 there was strong consensus to adopt > > https://ioggstream.github.io/draft-polli-ratelimit-headers/draft-polli-r= atelimit-headers.html > > > as a working group item.=C2=A0 If you feel strongly that we should not d= o so, > please reply by the end of next week.=C2=A0 If you are willing to contri= bute, > please feel free to say so as well. +1 for adoption; I'm also willing to review and give feedback. 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Best regards, Julian From nobody Sun Dec 13 13:13:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0643A0A26 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 13:13:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iUv04mb6t4Bz for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 13:13:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from postoffice.gristmillmedia.com (dret.net [209.188.86.86]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8196A3A0A21 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 13:13:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [108.205.51.24] (port=57717 helo=[192.168.1.67]) by postoffice.gristmillmedia.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1koYgG-0003hN-Fl; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 16:13:24 -0500 To: "Salz, Rich" , "httpapi@ietf.org" References: <98CF8EB1-7D31-429E-AFC8-3C7F8DAC42B2@akamai.com> From: Erik Wilde Message-ID: <35e9fab6-e522-db34-99b8-8033d2dad25e@dret.net> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 13:13:20 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.16; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <98CF8EB1-7D31-429E-AFC8-3C7F8DAC42B2@akamai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - postoffice.gristmillmedia.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - dret.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: postoffice.gristmillmedia.com: authenticated_id: birdhouse@dret.net X-Authenticated-Sender: postoffice.gristmillmedia.com: birdhouse@dret.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [httpapi] Call for adoption on deprecation header X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 21:13:28 -0000 hello rich. On 2020-12-10 08:01, Salz, Rich wrote: > At our meeting during IETF 109 there was strong consensus to adopt > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dalal-deprecation-header-03 > > > as a working group item.  If you feel strongly that we should not do so, > please reply by the end of next week.  If you are willing to contribute, > please feel free to say so as well. i am not sure this is necessary but i am of course in favor of adopting the draft, and will happily keep contributing to it. thanks and cheers, dret. -- erik wilde | mailto:erik.wilde@dret.net | | http://dret.net/netdret | | http://twitter.com/dret | From nobody Sun Dec 13 13:16:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA8433A0A2B for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 13:16:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eSp4JaOZsQDR for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 13:16:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from postoffice.gristmillmedia.com (dret.net [209.188.86.86]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60C4E3A0A2C for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 13:16:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [108.205.51.24] (port=57755 helo=[192.168.1.67]) by postoffice.gristmillmedia.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1koYj9-0003wK-An; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 16:16:23 -0500 To: "Salz, Rich" , "httpapi@ietf.org" References: <48058830-D096-4DBE-8476-0487544D880E@akamai.com> Cc: Herbert Van de Sompel From: Erik Wilde Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 13:16:19 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.16; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <48058830-D096-4DBE-8476-0487544D880E@akamai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - postoffice.gristmillmedia.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - dret.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: postoffice.gristmillmedia.com: authenticated_id: birdhouse@dret.net X-Authenticated-Sender: postoffice.gristmillmedia.com: birdhouse@dret.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [httpapi] Should we adopt linkset media types and link relation? X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 21:16:28 -0000 hello rich. On 2020-12-10 08:05, Salz, Rich wrote: > At our meeting in IETF 109, we discussed > > https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-wilde-linkset-07.txt > > There was some discussion about overlap with other specifications, but > also interest in adoption.  We said we’d have more discussion for > issuing the call, so please use this thread (or start others) to have > that discussion. In particular, if there are concerns about adopting the > document, please speak up. This is an ongoing discussion, probably not > going to be resolved in what remains of this month/year. :) again, i am (of course) in favor of adopting this draft. the one issue that was raised in the meeting at IETF 109 was the existence of the CoRE linking model and how it relates to the linkset model proposed in our draft. herbert van de sompel and myself have discussed this issue, and we'll get back to this list with a brief explanation of how these two models compare, and why we felt that CoRE did not meet our needs. we hope that this explanation will resolve the open issue about the linkset draft. thanks and cheers, dret. -- erik wilde | mailto:erik.wilde@dret.net | | http://dret.net/netdret | | http://twitter.com/dret | From nobody Sun Dec 13 13:20:38 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664ED3A0A3E for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 13:20:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8E7Yxr6jsJmL for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 13:20:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from postoffice.gristmillmedia.com (dret.net [209.188.86.86]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FE413A0A3B for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 13:20:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [108.205.51.24] (port=57800 helo=[192.168.1.67]) by postoffice.gristmillmedia.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1koYnC-0004Df-07; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 16:20:34 -0500 To: "Salz, Rich" , "httpapi@ietf.org" References: <88ED49DB-E081-4C97-9FB9-080A1C585435@akamai.com> Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Cedik?= From: Erik Wilde Message-ID: <80acc592-be10-533d-d6ba-e39ea78ef8de@dret.net> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 13:20:30 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.16; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <88ED49DB-E081-4C97-9FB9-080A1C585435@akamai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - postoffice.gristmillmedia.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - dret.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: postoffice.gristmillmedia.com: authenticated_id: birdhouse@dret.net X-Authenticated-Sender: postoffice.gristmillmedia.com: birdhouse@dret.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [httpapi] Discussion of adopting Content-Warning header X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 21:20:37 -0000 hello rich. On 2020-12-10 08:07, Salz, Rich wrote: > At our meeting at IETF 109, we discussed > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-cedik-http-warning-02 > > > Let’s discuss this (we didn’t have enough time at the virtual). Feel > free to use this thread or start new ones. i am not aware of any specific issue that were brought up at the IETF 109 meeting. it would be great to see the draft being adopted by this group, but if there isn't enough interest, an alternative path may be to keep developing it as an individual draft, and then present it to this group for community review when we think it is complete and ready to be published as an RFC. thanks and cheers, dret. -- erik wilde | mailto:erik.wilde@dret.net | | http://dret.net/netdret | | http://twitter.com/dret | From nobody Sun Dec 13 23:35:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71943A07D1 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 23:35:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pGSopWRErcIO for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 23:35:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.iit.cnr.it (mx5.iit.cnr.it [146.48.98.152]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E04553A0762 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2020 23:35:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.iit.cnr.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED2D7C0429; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 08:35:30 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx5.iit.cnr.it Received: from smtp.iit.cnr.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx5.iit.cnr.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eZDd-_4ygpF0; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 08:35:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.12.193.108] (pc-loffredo.nic.it [192.12.193.108]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.iit.cnr.it (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9224AC007D; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 08:35:26 +0100 (CET) To: "Salz, Rich" , "httpapi@ietf.org" References: <98CF8EB1-7D31-429E-AFC8-3C7F8DAC42B2@akamai.com> From: Mario Loffredo Message-ID: <8a1245a1-7c7d-3ed3-2876-83cdf517ecbf@iit.cnr.it> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 08:31:52 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <98CF8EB1-7D31-429E-AFC8-3C7F8DAC42B2@akamai.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D9D35E960B5262410653643F" Content-Language: it Archived-At: Subject: Re: [httpapi] Call for adoption on deprecation header X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 07:35:35 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D9D35E960B5262410653643F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I support adoption and I'm willing to provide feedback. Mario Il 10/12/2020 17:01, Salz, Rich ha scritto: > > At our meeting during IETF 109 there was strong consensus to adopt > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dalal-deprecation-header-03 > > > as a working group item.  If you feel strongly that we should not do > so, please reply by the end of next week.  If you are willing to > contribute, please feel free to say so as well. > > -- Dr. Mario Loffredo Technological Unit “Digital Innovation” Institute of Informatics and Telematics (IIT) National Research Council (CNR) via G. Moruzzi 1, I-56124 PISA, Italy Phone: +39.0503153497 Web: http://www.iit.cnr.it/mario.loffredo --------------D9D35E960B5262410653643F Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I support adoption and I'm willing to provide feedback.

Mario

Il 10/12/2020 17:01, Salz, Rich ha scritto:

At our meeting during IETF 109 there was strong consensus to adopt

            https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dalal-deprecation-header-03

as a working group item.  If you feel strongly that we should not do so, please reply by the end of next week.  If you are willing to contribute, please feel free to say so as well.

 

 


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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: microsoft.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: BL0PR00MB0836.namprd00.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: c424d205-5b9d-4117-dfe2-08d8a0b658e8 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 15 Dec 2020 05:00:30.8167 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 72f988bf-86f1-41af-91ab-2d7cd011db47 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: 5eIuv2/b4oFZN3Cy183aWAGH6sfSvJRWD1azt1jsYJNxzmGJRL/2EnVR6Msaj0F3RlfdcVM8R0LcjHfP3bOsGg== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BL0PR00MB0353 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [httpapi] Discussion of adopting Content-Warning header X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 05:00:35 -0000 Erik,=0A= =0A= > From: httpapi on behalf of Erik Wilde =0A= > =A0=0A= > hello rich.=0A= > =0A= > On 2020-12-10 08:07, Salz, Rich wrote:=0A= > > At our meeting at IETF 109, we discussed=0A= > > =0A= > > https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-cedik-http-warning-02=0A= > > https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-cedik-http-warning-02=0A= > > =0A= > > Let=92s discuss this (we didn=92t have enough time at the virtual). Fee= l =0A= > > free to use this thread or start new ones.=0A= > =0A= > i am not aware of any specific issue that were brought up at the IETF =0A= > 109 meeting.=0A= > =0A= > it would be great to see the draft being adopted by this group, but if = =0A= > there isn't enough interest, an alternative path may be to keep =0A= > developing it as an individual draft, and then present it to this group = =0A= > for community review when we think it is complete and ready to be =0A= > published as an RFC.=0A= > =0A= > thanks and cheers,=0A= > =0A= > dret.=0A= =0A= I believe the issue that was raised at the end of the IETF109 meeting was r= elated to the fact that the Content-Warning header does not provide any det= ails about the nature of the warning, and there is a need to look in the pa= yload to understand the warning. At least that seems to be the behavior of= "embedded-warning". The Content-Warning header simply indicates an warnin= g is present and when it occurred.=0A= =0A= Based on this, it would require a component to understand the semantics of = the returned media type to be able to identify the details of the warning. = If a component needs to understand the media type to understand the warnin= g, then the content-warning header seems to be limited to the role of a per= formance optimization for intermediaries.=0A= =0A= Perhaps if there were more examples of different kinds of Content-Warning t= ypes, it might be clearer as to the value of standardizing the header. =0A= =0A= I have certainly run into scenarios where there is value in returning warni= ngs with a response and I've see the Warnings header from RFC 7234 used in = several cases. However, the Warning header includes the Warn-Code to provi= de some details about the reason for the warning. One advantage of using t= he Warning header was the fact that the warnings did not need to affect the= structure of the payload.=0A= =0A= Would you consider a change to this draft that enabled representing details= of the warning in the header itself?=0A= =0A= Darrel= From nobody Mon Dec 14 23:55:17 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE2B3A0D74 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 23:55:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.197 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.197 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UVOC_SPSc2Vo for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 23:55:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vs1-xe2c.google.com (mail-vs1-xe2c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF2B43A0D3F for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 23:55:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vs1-xe2c.google.com with SMTP id r24so10468525vsg.10 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 23:55:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Ewm9PU+0m9nWt8TxfBbgmbna5zU5saXJrSFMZlRp7+U=; b=HY2ruBurx2gIbY9hvArNQ6X0q2iuefFfZFTTXW8A7xHRBTxa03RZJOO1L/jxUbVLun x2v+iS6nyVIE7EnY3+TonJUGQVgUOf3OhgsOfaGknevtRbYpX8RShZScFxc5fV3P1vZm Fmp0iCdZijryEjk6Pk9EdRlNJ3I+lKXFFNTJNHp9Rd4Ig2S0Z1wCc/SR9V1cL15iQAmQ yT4ZSH9JByCAoR/KXIfgvMKia3pJ/hudQ8U7hBs3ofOOH4jbxWz+stZnLFv1UHIZzpTh o6cu/AfV03gpO01xnbtlF1BlpPFLSLkqRI/0KB3qLXdodVb8bSpBsIj5MHm69oDnL5tx D27Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Ewm9PU+0m9nWt8TxfBbgmbna5zU5saXJrSFMZlRp7+U=; b=H3QvXHpCVOrMxw364hNvssE1FSvKHlcx2Bd8dCrX3iE9py4IheptLz0U+aonChZ0Vx 6zrKSjGDcZPixgHh0gYjGaWHXmsoiNnJ9hMhUR1meuzW4XkFRf7c91VdQsNw36wFpUd7 /tMfJw6IQ8Ag95PciIFTHJQJlFvJJus98V773TLSIKvfTdsr5h8Udvk0zRQYuWV0Vdyc IMhKpCe7NLglBQf/Xv5s8uzJdFrZaSGp49D744lcZ9oJmspmfnNF166kMCAOzUjKY5bF SJkuXyl9FpDjpBHPapm/jiw5qViKsUdXptieTxJjInAb832Ikrxs0aP8v8W5qJc3W/QG s7kQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530yJfEHPLCrKZd8KbhQr7245t8Cj4LEctX1jukKjx3kIX3e9zj3 KVzH7cdLWCEg7Gqzmv5fHgm4Mfr2R+jdLBsk6IWUh1Iav2w= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyn+PYbqP0eJn+tJHhMLppo92FtbfC/HLyD5BcpcwWt3rnhvgULYM/NRCEvPd54xVvqMov6tpCQVP2y8Q4MzT4= X-Received: by 2002:a67:5f04:: with SMTP id t4mr28165942vsb.16.1608018910576; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 23:55:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <48058830-D096-4DBE-8476-0487544D880E@akamai.com> In-Reply-To: From: Herbert Van de Sompel Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 08:54:59 +0100 Message-ID: To: "Salz, Rich" Cc: "httpapi@ietf.org" , Erik Wilde Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f5047205b67c138d" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [httpapi] Should we adopt linkset media types and link relation? X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 07:55:16 -0000 --000000000000f5047205b67c138d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Rich, all, Following up on Erik's mail, here's an analysis of the issue regarding the perceived overlap between the linkset I-D and the CoRE RFC6690: In section 4.1 < https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wilde-linkset-07#section-4.1>, the Link Set I-D: * Defines a serialization for documents that convey a set of links. * Defines the application/linkset media type for this serialization. * The defined serialization 100% matches the payload of the HTTP Link header as defined in section 3 of RFC8288 < https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8288#section-3>. In section 2 , RFC6690: * Defines a serialization for documents that convey a set of links. * Defines the application/link-format media type for this serialization. * The serialization is equivalent (sic) to the payload of the HTTP Link header as defined in section 3 of RFC8288 < https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8288#section-3>. It differs from it in that: - The encoding is UTF-8. It is not dependent on RFC2616 for its encoding. - It defines new target attributes rt, it, sz that are not defined in RFC8288. As such, these cannot be used as extension target attributes when using the application/link-format media type. - It reserves the href target attribute because it is used as a query parameter for a filtering approach defined in the section 4.1 < https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6690#section-4.1> of the RFC. As such, the href target attribute can not be used as an extension target attribute when using the application/link-format media type. The definition of target attributes in RFC6690 that are not defined in RFC8288 turns the CoRE application/link-format serialization into a community profile of the generic model specified by Web Linking. In contrast, the application/linkset serialization of the Link Set I-D fully matches that generic model. That also holds for the application/linkset+json serialization defined in the Link Set I-D. I hope this clarifies the issue that was discussed in the recent WG meeting. And, like Erik, I hope the I-D can be adopted. Greetings Herbert Van de Sompel On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 10:16 PM Erik Wilde wrote: > hello rich. > > On 2020-12-10 08:05, Salz, Rich wrote: > > At our meeting in IETF 109, we discussed > > > > https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-wilde-linkset-07.txt > > > > There was some discussion about overlap with other specifications, but > > also interest in adoption. We said we=E2=80=99d have more discussion f= or > > issuing the call, so please use this thread (or start others) to have > > that discussion. In particular, if there are concerns about adopting th= e > > document, please speak up. This is an ongoing discussion, probably not > > going to be resolved in what remains of this month/year. :) > > again, i am (of course) in favor of adopting this draft. the one issue > that was raised in the meeting at IETF 109 was the existence of the CoRE > linking model and how it relates to the linkset model proposed in our > draft. > > herbert van de sompel and myself have discussed this issue, and we'll > get back to this list with a brief explanation of how these two models > compare, and why we felt that CoRE did not meet our needs. we hope that > this explanation will resolve the open issue about the linkset draft. > > thanks and cheers, > > dret. > > -- > erik wilde | mailto:erik.wilde@dret.net | > | http://dret.net/netdret | > | http://twitter.com/dret | > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Herbert Van de Sompel Chief Innovation Officer DANS herbert.van.de.sompel@dans.knaw.nl +31 6 22 83 93 15 https://hvdsomp.info https://orcid.org/0000-0002-0715-6126 --000000000000f5047205b67c138d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Rich, all,

=
Following up on Erik's mail, here's an analysis of the issue r= egarding the perceived overlap between the linkset I-D and the CoRE RFC6690= :

In section 4.1 <https://datatracker= .ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wilde-linkset-07#section-4.1>, the Link Set= I-D:
* Defines a serialization for documents that convey a set of links= .
* Defines the application/linkset media type for this serialization.* The defined serialization 100% matches the payload of the HTTP Link hea= der as defined in section 3 of RFC8288 <https://datatracker.i= etf.org/doc/html/rfc8288#section-3>.

In section 2 <https= ://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6690#section-2>, RFC6690:
* Defines a s= erialization for documents that convey a set of links.
* Defines the ap= plication/link-format media type for this serialization.
* The serializ= ation is equivalent (sic) to the payload of the HTTP Link header as defined= in section 3 of RFC8288 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ht= ml/rfc8288#section-3>. It differs from it in that:
- The encoding= is UTF-8. It is not dependent on RFC2616 for its encoding.
- It defines= new target attributes rt, it, sz that are not defined in RFC8288. As such,= these cannot be used as extension target attributes when using the applica= tion/link-format media type.
- It reserves the href target attribute bec= ause it is used as a query parameter for a filtering approach defined in th= e section 4.1 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6690#section-4.1>= ; of the RFC. As such, the href target attribute can not be used as an exte= nsion target attribute when using the application/link-format media type.

The definition of target attributes in RFC6690 that= are not defined in RFC8288 turns the CoRE application/link-format serializ= ation into a community profile of the generic model specified by Web Linkin= g. In contrast, the application/linkset serialization of the Link Set I-D f= ully matches that generic model. That also holds for the application/linkse= t+json serialization defined in the Link Set I-D.

<= div>I hope this clarifies the issue that was discussed in the recent WG mee= ting. And, like Erik, I hope the I-D can be adopted.

Greetings

Herbert Van de Sompel

On= Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 10:16 PM Erik Wilde <erik.wilde@dret.net> wrote:
hello rich.

On 2020-12-10 08:05, Salz, Rich wrote:
> At our meeting in IETF 109, we discussed
>
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft= -wilde-linkset-07.txt
>
> There was some discussion about overlap with other specifications, but=
> also interest in adoption.=C2=A0 We said we=E2=80=99d have more discus= sion for
> issuing the call, so please use this thread (or start others) to have =
> that discussion. In particular, if there are concerns about adopting t= he
> document, please speak up. This is an ongoing discussion, probably not=
> going to be resolved in what remains of this month/year. :)

again, i am (of course) in favor of adopting this draft. the one issue
that was raised in the meeting at IETF 109 was the existence of the CoRE linking model and how it relates to the linkset model proposed in our draft= .

herbert van de sompel and myself have discussed this issue, and we'll <= br> get back to this list with a brief explanation of how these two models
compare, and why we felt that CoRE did not meet our needs. we hope that this explanation will resolve the open issue about the linkset draft.

thanks and cheers,

dret.

--
erik wilde | mailto:erik.wilde@dret.net |
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | http://dret.net/netdret=C2=A0= =C2=A0 |
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--000000000000f5047205b67c138d-- From nobody Tue Dec 15 07:31:56 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14B13A11DA for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 07:31:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0CMDBuSq01XQ for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 07:31:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-io1-xd33.google.com (mail-io1-xd33.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 972053A11DD for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 07:31:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-io1-xd33.google.com with SMTP id m23so6076577ioy.2 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 07:31:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=nWnu2QTWSsSOFfgE1O7plEMYqFXHfdxyAvrASDfjTs0=; b=hXzqUHWiH9IzeHtkhIFySdpf0XTzkPyiz2plevWW66HHs9xcK6ZhQrbECEZ+PCHUBa dfiE/2UgemgmmByHvd52gJf5f/urMZlE1G7TDWqQpSgdTa/4lQhM/iO0DJUo/YiUlJaV 4AB9dS0APT8l7Eu0WnHioHIgfeN0FPWbgr4H91h0jDk+SyeboloU9fgnZNzORC60Y+69 oxLzsyxunyXW6/EhXtWFEfFMMZpL6B+2DSAIt8u6iRLfK4GPV+OIQXbEMMMobv8RNX89 gzyzMMktLeEZydl7tJShAyYfBHK3fxF2e5pc6OqmHYjhXrV1GFRrOWL+6EwZZuBb7Fyz dWsA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=nWnu2QTWSsSOFfgE1O7plEMYqFXHfdxyAvrASDfjTs0=; b=LkdUcL8CW6sxpJyNPJhqaOAU1YlQI9ZwLsSZYPGKRrq0ojzIi10xd61XI5ab1/xfyG ka4wDCcIRNs/9m9jeo/NOwNv/6U5bgLDauOhYlCy9l9Xcdy+SNJVnKF4uugynv9UJscl Sbmc8Hz1GdtNjEFNQyGk6Qix6Ryl00bZFRw/QwcvQHcuX0JUKTv9E+UfDdCviQmuCN6o c1pApL/K9/v1WgDTvWEyctx3MLkyry3u25YpXcJ1E0XZz55f/BA3Jio1FhMq8DPJ8vd4 fP+wOhvCbZJnMZUjjqRsNtbpTYHx9hIg7OPPa4tip+cOlPKmBgmRLvvTB76fuyNGUbNt bgDA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530wOGMhJHglIYBK+dAaG1KK0V3QBoV26+ILAyHvFwVbeFCtOxcn FuwC9Cra6HQDrm2VBbmE4pnBLhgi4I1yItR4Pek= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz5qxmwUzXyNv7m1UEpFn8JvxP/SptZmw+yRltgHH0hY8IFPb97kPq2HI8xt39+OmTlctuQI6VgX7aApeVX2Y8= X-Received: by 2002:a02:bb99:: with SMTP id g25mr39669838jan.11.1608046312793; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 07:31:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <88ED49DB-E081-4C97-9FB9-080A1C585435@akamai.com> <80acc592-be10-533d-d6ba-e39ea78ef8de@dret.net> In-Reply-To: From: Roberto Polli Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:31:41 +0100 Message-ID: To: Darrel Miller Cc: "erik.wilde@dret.net" , "rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org" , "httpapi@ietf.org" , "andre@shipcloud.io" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [httpapi] Discussion of adopting Content-Warning header X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 15:31:55 -0000 Hi @all, Il giorno mar 15 dic 2020 alle ore 06:00 Darrel Miller ha scritto: > > if > > there isn't enough interest, an alternative path may be to keep > > developing it as an individual draft I think this draft will benefit from a wider discussion, including the considerations provided by Darrell. > [..] I've see the Warnings header from RFC 7234 used in several cases. > [..] One advantage of using the Warning header was the fact that the warnings did not need to affect the structure of the payload. > Would you consider a change to this draft that enabled representing details of the warning in the header itself? iiuc this behavior can be configured via the content-warning-type: the payload one is "embedded-warning", so the field definition already has an extension mechanism capable of supporting further types, eg "expensive-request" or "old-api-version" or whatever. I think this kind of discussions are the kind of activity of the workgroup. Have a nice day, R. 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This draft is a work item of the Building Blocks for HTTP APIs WG of the IETF. Title : RateLimit Header Fields for HTTP Authors : Roberto Polli Alejandro Martinez Ruiz Filename : draft-ietf-httpapi-ratelimit-headers-00.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2020-12-18 Abstract: This document defines the RateLimit-Limit, RateLimit-Remaining, RateLimit-Reset fields for HTTP, thus allowing servers to publish current request quotas and clients to shape their request policy and avoid being throttled out. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-httpapi-ratelimit-headers/ There is also an HTML version available at: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-httpapi-ratelimit-headers-00.html Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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How can I associate them? Kind regards, R. From nobody Sat Dec 19 09:10:40 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6547F3A0D25 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2020 09:10:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id twdak-VMYs4g for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2020 09:10:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from postoffice.gristmillmedia.com (dret.net [209.188.86.86]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DEBFE3A0B02 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2020 09:10:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mobile-166-170-41-155.mycingular.net ([166.170.41.155]:33365 helo=[10.209.250.203]) by postoffice.gristmillmedia.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1kqfkY-0004GO-Mv; Sat, 19 Dec 2020 12:10:34 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Erik Wilde In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 09:10:33 -0800 Cc: httpapi@ietf.org Message-Id: <36D4838D-BC1D-47BF-B938-A87C85692694@dret.net> References: To: Roberto Polli X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (18B92) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - postoffice.gristmillmedia.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - dret.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: postoffice.gristmillmedia.com: authenticated_id: birdhouse@dret.net X-Authenticated-Sender: postoffice.gristmillmedia.com: birdhouse@dret.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [httpapi] Associating the old draft-xxx and the new draft-ietf on datatracker X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 17:10:39 -0000 hello roberto. On Dec 19, 2020, at 07:39, Roberto Polli wrote: > it would be great if datatracker shows the evolution of the previous > draft-polli-ratelimit-headers-xx > and the new draft-ietf-httpapi-ratelimit-headers so that implementers > can follow > the new stream. How can I associate them? there's an option when you submit where you can state which existing draft t= he new one is replacing. this will associate the drafts in the datatracker. b= ut i am not sure whether you can do it retroactively.=20 cheers, dret.= From nobody Sat Dec 19 09:32:05 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C7D3A0DAD for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2020 09:32:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=evequefou.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Iwf-C9VOD44B for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When you submit the 00 version, I believe there's a field for the draft it = replaces. It you can't find it or forget, you can also email and they can a= dd the association manually. Doesn't get added by CI, though so you need th= e manual route if you have CI submit the first draft. Sent from Nine ________________________________ From: Roberto Polli Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 10:39 AM To: httpapi@ietf.org Subject: [httpapi] Associating the old draft-xxx and the new draft-ietf on = datatracker Hi @ all, it would be great if datatracker shows the evolution of the previous draft-polli-ratelimit-headers-xx and the new draft-ietf-httpapi-ratelimit-headers so that implementers can follow the new stream. How can I associate them? Kind regards, R. -- httpapi mailing list httpapi@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/httpapi --_000_d2d0e50842394dae94c02fc54a08c92bevequefoube_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
When you submit the 00 version, I bel= ieve there's a field for the draft it replaces. It you can't find it or for= get, you can also email and they can add the association manually. Doesn't = get added by CI, though so you need the manual route if you have CI submit the first draft.

Sent from Nine

From: Roberto Polli <robipolli@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 10:39 AM
To: httpapi@ietf.org
Subject: [httpapi] Associating the old draft-xxx and the new draft-i= etf on datatracker

Hi @ all,

it would be great if datatracker shows the evolution of  the previous<= br> draft-polli-ratelimit-headers-xx
and the new  draft-ietf-httpapi-ratelimit-headers so that implementers=
can follow
the new stream. How can I associate them?

Kind regards,
R.

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'Ketting' will emit console warnings when hitting things that are deprecated, and the 'Curveball hypermedia browser' renders links, but will use a special treatment for links with the 'deprecation' relation type. I have a question about the 'Sunset' header though. The draft states: >  In addition to the deprecation related information, if the resource > provider wants to convey to the client application that the > deprecated resource is expected to become unresponsive at a specific > point in time, the Sunset HTTP header field [RFC8594] can be used in > addition to the "Deprecation" header To me, a resource conveying when they will eventually become unresponsive is not *necessarily* worthy of warning. Perhaps, the intent of a resource is to just live a limited time. So, I wonder if it's useful to define Sunset not as a warning (you need to upgrade) or additive to Deprecation. Could Sunset be used if I want to just convey: this resource is only available until then. Perhaps my API will let you download reports for exactly 30 days after creation, so I'd wanna inform users, but this is not a deprecation. Question: has the structured headers[2] syntax been considered for the Deprecation header? ('?1' instead of 'true') Evert [1]: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-link-hint [2]: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-header-structure-19#section-4.1.9 From nobody Sat Dec 19 12:58:30 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3C13A0F4D for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2020 12:58:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O9BXHhqbU9Uh for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2020 12:58:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-io1-xd30.google.com (mail-io1-xd30.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DEA2D3A0F4A for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2020 12:58:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-io1-xd30.google.com with SMTP id d9so5385154iob.6 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2020 12:58:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=5KQcH5bqh88grv5CEzuDthhtnQTT8dyov03w4qY1u7g=; b=FkXVT4Dn9tdbr0bwkHJquEz7wmOio/wvHrXKljhAogTZGgyyhyahBb2tj0yUbXSZA0 yK4F7PMIkpbkqCuDIlMgyzpfmRZe+sq93sGm9V8WvDZ3as8Rjs59yMOl8hPqk1EEkYLW p+wsH2NZ23rFSPvMJNUaY4+0fMNuytgozSt0RYz7OqmM5B/Cc4lZKY5c1MtWrOBMfH+q W1fGGUtliYxz3EQlW7qOQC26q7n5s+++j2GD3vutdq2gs1ztyUC6KKtuqN+HrJhwEx2f 7AJ1+qHeFjHE5uh2DzEB+1ZHKbHpVZiGtadLzBiU/gemUH1nd7l0YYOhPd5WUxcSvm1S 8WTw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=5KQcH5bqh88grv5CEzuDthhtnQTT8dyov03w4qY1u7g=; b=WaYDbKABSBZN5ri9bvydngJUg/ngPww3TSpCvHWR9BfdvFExevDzo75Iig4bmzCB2H cIpk0K2SPVb/qB+339dHaNQY7Oay8OCBmNTq4q1TKCv9aSO0OoE70v6SFRPvckAozPFt pOr2QCNsqJvqd/dLZWr5wfiVrkL3rCkM7P9tncPyLHprKr9vA/ldutThAHp28dT38bc4 qcdzW4fGgTj8HzrVzzHYK++b+Jzm1AeBI03jUn8RWhSkaX85RVRUAjp3JI+Ji5nXhLEg F9S69fR1nxur+XXHjuPwL5cUlBxMci7t3pUF9FmfToK11v5hdpoXydHyWfe1djjLX2gi KjiA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530lNxSk2jnjkfWEUNQlRg4n+EZ2NfJhxWwcK/5EZ6cwgSEsH6A2 Z0fh7O/t49J1i+VcJNaif3sDBhtaVEvEnTPfrDPvoN8duIU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwfTSeZTn40FsWSsi8fFZKGTJsRzx4yU5OkOMVZlQObwcoDJaH0lHrffrx+PXYkb/Kmp+NhsYBS5dgAyEFfJSA= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:2c52:: with SMTP id s79mr9097298ios.53.1608411506197; Sat, 19 Dec 2020 12:58:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Roberto Polli Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 21:58:15 +0100 Message-ID: To: Mike Bishop Cc: httpapi@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007acc1005b6d77cde" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [httpapi] Associating the old draft-xxx and the new draft-ietf on datatracker X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 20:58:28 -0000 --0000000000007acc1005b6d77cde Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thanks Erik and Mike, I submitted from CI... Lazy me! I'll write to idsubmission@ietf.org hoping they can fix it. Thanks again folks, R Il sab 19 dic 2020, 18:32 Mike Bishop ha scritto: > When you submit the 00 version, I believe there's a field for the draft it > replaces. It you can't find it or forget, you can also email and they can > add the association manually. Doesn't get added by CI, though so you need > the manual route if you have CI submit the first draft. > > Sent from Nine > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Roberto Polli > *Sent:* Saturday, December 19, 2020 10:39 AM > *To:* httpapi@ietf.org > *Subject:* [httpapi] Associating the old draft-xxx and the new draft-ietf > on datatracker > > Hi @ all, > > it would be great if datatracker shows the evolution of the previous > draft-polli-ratelimit-headers-xx > and the new draft-ietf-httpapi-ratelimit-headers so that implementers > can follow > the new stream. How can I associate them? > > Kind regards, > R. > > -- > httpapi mailing list > httpapi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/httpapi > --0000000000007acc1005b6d77cde Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Erik and Mike,

I submitted from CI... Lazy me!

=
I'll write to=C2=A0
idsubmission@ietf.org hoping they can fix it.

Thanks again folks,
R

Il sab 19 dic 2020, 18:32 Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be> ha scritto:
When you submit the 00 version, I believe there's a f= ield for the draft it replaces. It you can't find it or forget, you can= also email and they can add the association manually. Doesn't get adde= d by CI, though so you need the manual route if you have CI submit the first draft.

Sent from Nine

From: Roberto Polli <robipolli@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 10:39 AM
To: httpapi@ietf.org
Subject: [httpapi] Associating the old draft-xxx and the new draft-i= etf on datatracker

Hi @ all,

it would be great if datatracker shows the evolution of=C2=A0 the previous<= br> draft-polli-ratelimit-headers-xx
and the new=C2=A0 draft-ietf-httpapi-ratelimit-headers so that implementers=
can follow
the new stream. How can I associate them?

Kind regards,
R.

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Sun, 20 Dec 2020 14:08:04 +0000 X-SMTP-Protocol-Errors: NORDNS To: Erik Wilde , Roberto Polli Cc: "httpapi@ietf.org" References: <36D4838D-BC1D-47BF-B938-A87C85692694@dret.net> <1FB494ED-65BB-4F3D-AC4F-ECE6B114C966@akamai.com> From: Alexey Melnikov Message-ID: <65b37538-a1a1-f6ff-6378-78edf9c5f068@isode.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 14:08:02 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.1 In-Reply-To: <1FB494ED-65BB-4F3D-AC4F-ECE6B114C966@akamai.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [httpapi] Associating the old draft-xxx and the new draft-ietf on datatracker X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 14:08:08 -0000 On 19/12/2020 23:56, Salz, Rich wrote: >> but i am not sure whether you can do it retroactively. It is possible to do this retroactively. 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Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1756e3ce-f56a-8da4-31bf-8836c9ef2258@evertpot.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - postoffice.gristmillmedia.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - dret.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: postoffice.gristmillmedia.com: authenticated_id: birdhouse@dret.net X-Authenticated-Sender: postoffice.gristmillmedia.com: birdhouse@dret.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [httpapi] Clarification on 'Sunset' header X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 17:05:25 -0000 hello evert. On 2020-12-19 11:30, Evert Pot wrote: > I have a question about the 'Sunset' header though. The draft states: > > >  In addition to the deprecation related information, if the resource > > provider wants to convey to the client application that the > > deprecated resource is expected to become unresponsive at a specific > > point in time, the Sunset HTTP header field [RFC8594] can be used in > > addition to the "Deprecation" header > > To me, a resource conveying when they will eventually become > unresponsive is not *necessarily* worthy of warning. Perhaps, the intent > of a resource is to just live a limited time. very true. that was one of the original motivations of the sunset header as well (apart from the "we're shutting down this service" scenario). > So, I wonder if it's useful to define Sunset not as a warning (you need > to upgrade) or additive to Deprecation. Could Sunset be used if I want > to just convey: this resource is only available until then. Perhaps my > API will let you download reports for exactly 30 days after creation, so > I'd wanna inform users, but this is not a deprecation. absolutely, and i think it would be great to use it that way. it's even the first item in the list of scenarios: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8594#section-1.1 you just have to be clear in the scope of your headers. that's something to clearly document for your API: - when a report indicates a sunset, this applies to the report only. - when the service's home document indicates a sunset, this means we're shutting down the service. > Question: has the structured headers[2] syntax been considered for the > Deprecation header? ('?1' instead of 'true') we mostly went for parity with the sunset header field on this one: they both should look and work in the same way. cheers, dret. -- erik wilde | mailto:erik.wilde@dret.net | | http://dret.net/netdret | | http://twitter.com/dret | From nobody Tue Dec 22 06:39:05 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: httpapi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115793A10DA for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 06:39:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7cBc9Pay027S for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 06:39:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-io1-xd2d.google.com (mail-io1-xd2d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D539E3A10D4 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 06:39:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-io1-xd2d.google.com with SMTP id q137so12135902iod.9 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 06:39:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=hj5tTMXoXdq2a3UTaiNzuyFBPEcy80ltzrHtOzMYuIo=; b=jjrdVay3zzatq/TcQ2SrKrpQCyB49/kHwGtpuO/3Mrblj1LCnNfCIz3PkAx3dP0pSQ eF6ijgqh2iaawfVssAYuQwFfaR048XrtysCIWa8dc8QT8QY8IZf/A6+/Lq80U2ahtdWA xySP2z9TXD2R40fw48CfiaRL8bmoEG5C9vH0jSmlJAzB3yd9NbLII2yV3xuQvOYDYbXP yaGUmiyunvfBh0KVS93l2/6ePBJCXNlY3Vtczd54bWGmrRCynryXIq20C+oZMKQ+j03e 8d0GahMuVWBuNRhrSHdnRw7/oI0C4ekB7DTPIDmYJp9Zn4NCiwyhXPBqpNV/Q1ZucHo4 Wbtg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=hj5tTMXoXdq2a3UTaiNzuyFBPEcy80ltzrHtOzMYuIo=; b=JWQ+JGrZM7qeuGdjl8JUZLI+cdyyZMz426coek95RhSMU6Mry/9+epy3c0EGtlWGEB fT8lyDrG0hfW0+RSvvGbLWY0R4OPtHV9jM8syfsqILWQObwlW+hGiyJBo2V5DwbZ3TE3 8gbeVB4l1cJKH1qqDxvJCfUgJ3NUWHXkJFjxgVcg+NnQafAFymUSbPVvfr44dihwcEr2 lGsz+rMM9p4UhBVmBGuKN8cRljoM00TBVkWEBDazCDSrEfj6HjPVZ/5gCc+MOgOtVWW6 p+NIpNbxyvlC3hiOXN0m12ZTX1K5BoEWQ1j9bWWN9d5LWkLYWyEALCT9I9cvePrOCSFe P0zQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531capsZxTFSbMxdedVakGG+yuAnCYE0xG248PclZbcpD9xkoqCp IS4w2E66gwwkxRqJx8vuXgFj0eAFH6jAyJn7nzh+CTvL4kY4DQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJynsT9qFiNtyVF9ooG4DKJ3PTfTNII6PIorR1sLLYBlKIH1G6P63vxDqVbw0S3ocwpNMqYLpsFJYiiej+MOSu4= X-Received: by 2002:a02:3e86:: with SMTP id s128mr19349443jas.131.1608647940723; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 06:39:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roberto Polli Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 15:38:49 +0100 Message-ID: To: "httpapi@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: [httpapi] Adding CI and gh-pages to repos X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 14:39:03 -0000 Hi chairs, hope you are well! I'm setting up a CI + gh-pages for the repo https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/ratelimit-headers and it seems I can't set up gh-pages by myself. When you have a moment, could you please enable it on the gh-pages branch? Thanks for your help and Kind regards, R. 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This draft is a work item of the Building Blocks for HTTP APIs WG of the IETF. Title : The Deprecation HTTP Header Authors : Sanjay Dalal Erik Wilde Filename : draft-ietf-httpapi-deprecation-header-00.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2020-12-23 Abstract: The HTTP Deprecation Response Header can be used to signal to consumers of a URI-identified resource that the resource has been deprecated. Additionally, the deprecation link relation can be used to link to a resource that provides additional context for the deprecation, and possibly ways in which clients can find a replacement for the deprecated resource. 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This draft is a work item of the Building Blocks for HTTP APIs WG of the IETF. Title : The Deprecation HTTP Header Field Authors : Sanjay Dalal Erik Wilde Filename : draft-ietf-httpapi-deprecation-header-01.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2020-12-25 Abstract: The HTTP Deprecation Response Header Field can be used to signal to consumers of a URI-identified resource that the resource has been deprecated. Additionally, the deprecation link relation can be used to link to a resource that provides additional context for the deprecation, and possibly ways in which clients can find a replacement for the deprecated resource. 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boundary="_000_DM6PR01MB49370264EE9621D603FEAA81A3D70DM6PR01MB4937prod_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: tavis.ca X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: DM6PR01MB4937.prod.exchangelabs.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 9f0c60ef-04a2-45d7-d71c-08d8ac7159fe X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 30 Dec 2020 03:16:51.3131 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 8cea02ec-9788-4bac-a19b-3e782a3e9bb0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: TRuFodP9ebrshGLY9Cjv1bMK9PUt2WdSZzFjFikv1xMKSVYvGz9upjAjoH98tyhC X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM6PR01MB5882 Archived-At: Subject: [httpapi] RateLimit Header client implementations X-BeenThere: httpapi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Building Blocks for HTTP APIs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 03:16:56 -0000 --_000_DM6PR01MB49370264EE9621D603FEAA81A3D70DM6PR01MB4937prod_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Roberto, Do you have links to implementations of client applications that use some v= ariant of the rate-limiting headers? I know there are plenty of examples of server side implementations that wil= l return these headers, but I am finding very few examples of clients takin= g advantage of these headers. >From what I understand there are a few scenarios where clients can use thes= e headers: 1. Optimizing polling frequency: i.e. check quota and window and determ= ine optimum calling interval 2. Prioritization between client tasks: Don=92t let low priority tasks = starve high priority tasks of quota 3. Enable user agents to avoid hitting rate limit due to some kind of pu= nitive behavior. Are you aware of other scenarios? Are there implementations of these scena= rios? While reviewing the goals for the draft I was wondering if they could be im= proved. * The goals of this proposal are: * * 1. Standardizing the names and semantic of rate-limit headers; * 2. Improve resiliency of HTTP infrastructures simplifying the enforce= ment and the adoption of rate-limit headers; * 3. Simplify API documentation avoiding expliciting rate-limit fields = semantic in documentation. The second goal seems only indirectly related to what the draft actually en= ables. A phrase in the introduction paragraph seems like a more accurate g= oal: * communicate service quotas so that the client can throttle its reques= ts and prevent 4xx or 5xx responses. I also thing the third goal would be clearer stated as: * Simplify API documentation by eliminating the need to define custom q= uota related header fields. Darrel --_000_DM6PR01MB49370264EE9621D603FEAA81A3D70DM6PR01MB4937prod_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey Roberto,<= /p>

 

Do you have links to implementations of client appli= cations that use some variant of the rate-limiting headers?

I know there are plenty of examples of server side i= mplementations that will return these headers, but I am finding very few ex= amples of clients taking advantage of these headers.

 

From what I understand there are a few scenarios whe= re clients can use these headers:

 

  1. Optimizing polling frequency:  i.e. check quota and window and d= etermine optimum calling interval
  2. Prioritization betwe= en client tasks:  Don=92t let low priority tasks starve high priority = tasks of quota
  3. Enable user agents to avoid hitting rat= e limit due to some kind of punitive behavior.

 

Are you aware of other scenarios?  Are there im= plementations of these scenarios?

 

While reviewing the goals for the draft I was wonder= ing if they could be improved.

 

  • The goals of this proposal are:
  •  
  • 1. Standardizing the names and seman= tic of rate-limit headers;
  • 2. Improve resiliency of HTTP infrastructures simplifying the en= forcement and the adoption of rate-limit headers;
  • 3. Simplify API documentation avoiding expliciting rate-limit fi= elds semantic in documentation.

 

The second goal seems only indirectly related to wha= t the draft actually enables.  A phrase in the introduction paragraph = seems like a more accurate goal:

 

  • communicate service quotas so that the client can throttle its reques= ts and prevent 4xx or 5xx responses.

 

I also thing the third goal would be clearer stated = as:

  • Simplify API documentation by eliminating the need to define custom q= uota related header fields.

 

Darrel

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Il giorno mer 30 dic 2020 alle ore 04:17 Darrel Miller ha scritto: > Do you have links to implementations of client applications that use some= variant of the rate-limiting headers? Since there is not a standard way of providing those headers, client libraries are hard to find. I saw that some cloud providers bake their custom models in their client, e= g: - https://cloud.google.com/solutions/rate-limiting-strategies-techniques - https://octokit.github.io/octokit.rb/Octokit/Client/RateLimit.html > I know there are plenty of examples of server side implementations that w= ill return these headers, > but I am finding very few examples of clients taking advantage of these h= eaders. In my experience, clients implement the desired behavior per-service or per-api-gateway. > [..] scenarios [..]: > 1) Optimizing polling frequency: i.e. check quota and window and determi= ne optimum calling interval Yes, this is quite useful when you have a continuous flow of (queued) requests that can be tuned. > 2) Prioritization between client tasks: Don=E2=80=99t let low priority t= asks starve high priority tasks of quota. Yes, see https://github.com/ioggstream/draft-polli-ratelimit-headers/issues= /69#issuecomment-548323736 replace user with whatever quota key you want. ``` # pseudocode for user, request_data in queue: if user.has_quota(): # checks headers, ratelimit-reset, retry-after, wha= tever response, headers =3D make_request(conn, request_data, user) user.update_quota(headers) ``` > 3) Enable user agents to avoid hitting rate limit due to some kind of pun= itive behavior. This was probably the main goal for this spec: specifically when orchestrating some kind of "live" transactions (eg. payment, ... ) hitting a ratelimit can be problematic. In those cases the "consumer" service has a way to know whether to accept a request that may be blocked at some point. > Are you aware of other scenarios? Your scenarios seem to cover all the main ones; @Alex Martinez Ruiz is welc= ome to join the discussion. > Are there implementations of these scenarios? I saw only custom implementations. My experience is mainly related to scenario 3) availability respect to performance. A ratelimit landscape is here: - https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/ratelimit-headers/issues/25 but we can file another issue for client implementations. ## Improving goals > While reviewing the goals for the draft I was wondering if they could be = improved. > 1. Standardizing the names and semantic of rate-limit headers; > 2. Improve resiliency of HTTP infrastructures simplifying the enforcement= and the adoption of rate-limit headers; > 3. Simplify API documentation avoiding expliciting rate-limit fields sema= ntic in documentation. Let me see... > The second goal seems only indirectly related to what the draft actually = enables. > A phrase in the introduction paragraph seems like a more accurate goal: > communicate service quotas so that the client can throttle its requests a= nd prevent 4xx or 5xx responses. I stated the overall goal of the specification, but I'm open to a more technical perspective. > I also thing the third goal would be clearer stated as: > > Simplify API documentation by eliminating the need to define custom quota= related header fields. While this is true, what I want to get rid of is the limit communicated via pdf or web pages, eg. https://developer.service.hmrc.gov.uk/api-documentation/docs/reference-guid= e Let me know if this makes sense to you. I filed a specific issue https://github.com/ietf-wg-httpapi/ratelimit-headers/issues/26 so we can track down easily this thread. Have a nice day, R. --=20 Roberto Polli API Expert M. +39 3406522736 MID DIPARTIMENTO PER LA TRASFORMAZIONE DIGITALE Presidenza del Consiglio dei Ministri - Ministro per l'innovazione tecnologica e la digitalizzazione https://innovazione.gov.it/ Il Dipartimento per la Trasformazione Digitale, salvo eccezioni, comunica con le altre Amministrazioni via posta elettronica ordinaria e non posta elettronica certificata, in conformit=C3=A0 a quanto previsto dall=E2=80=99art.47 del Codice dell=E2=80=99Amministrazione Digitale.