Return-Path: X-Original-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B5821F8578 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:37:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.49 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.49 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.108, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZkIDchGSU+7H for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F2B21F8574 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iec9 with SMTP id 9so8731661iec.31 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:37:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=js7aAjvTPfrXRfNKYxGzi9wQElzDQgJfhIJBllZebv4=; b=ZzK3MWARv+hjUTjcpGqwfK7O4KmaUIYofLxy4u2AejLrNoaUQf+229wxr8jEHc/mGA X8YarOSdVjxa/32wFOrICrx2Ph55yLq3oUWDNpc9OwwetIbzPaP/oI38FYVEuPygRKdi xgrZc+Zjv1Jf9uEVoQscJfI6jE1UuMocO141Q3R0KNlzT5CbvZ0H128r+xJVpVBxWjUg CnLd7gRY16cdkbEq4pqOJxsyo5QPikquIzbtuiKTnqL3bHDO3y/Bno1o5Fhinp6OdLB/ 7C1mcqCmQ8RrBI2tjM0EWa+2RduhfQk8jGvFeOEpSXuJ/N/LCUb+xJUfT4v1LQW8chLp rRXg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.140.106 with SMTP id rf10mr1974149igb.48.1348846668808; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.25.46 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 16:37:48 +0100 Message-ID: From: Abdussalam Baryun To: shares@ndzh.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f923b068d026404cac4d60f Cc: irs-discuss@ietf.org Subject: [irs-discuss] draft-atlas-irs-policy-framework-00 X-BeenThere: irs-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System \(IRS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 15:37:50 -0000 --e89a8f923b068d026404cac4d60f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi The Abstract: A key aspect of the Interface to the Routing System (IRS) is what mechanisms it includes to carry policy information and to enable policy control. This applies both in the protocol itself and in the sub-interfaces associated with the different components of the routing system. Similarly, the data-models associated with the sub- interfaces must be capable of expressing the appropriate granularity for access and authorization-related policy. This document describes the policy framework for IRS. ____________________ In the above not sure what *the-protocol* is refered to, is it routing protocol, Is there difference between IRS policy refered to above and the routing domain policy? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In page 4: resources: A resource is an IRS-specific use of memory, storage, or execution that a commissioner may consume due to its IRS operations. The amount of each such resource that a commissioner may consume in the context of a particular agent can be constrained. Examples of such resources could include: the number of installed operations, number of operations that haven't reached their start-time, etc. These are not protocol-specific resources or network-specific resources. __________________________ suggest distinguishing resources by adding *operation resources*, to distiguish from network resources. AB --e89a8f923b068d026404cac4d60f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi
=A0
The Abstract:
=A0A key aspect of= the Interface to the Routing System (IRS) is what
=A0=A0 mechanisms it = includes to carry policy information and to enable
=A0=A0 policy control= .=A0 This applies both in the protocol itself and in the
=A0=A0 sub-interfaces associated with the different components of the
= =A0=A0 routing system.=A0 Similarly, the data-models associated with the su= b-
=A0=A0 interfaces must be capable of expressing the appropriate granu= larity
=A0=A0 for access and authorization-related policy.=A0 This docum= ent describes
=A0=A0 the policy framework for IRS.
____________________
=A0<= /div>
In the above not sure what=A0 *the-protocol* is refered to, is it= routing protocol,
=A0
Is there difference between IRS = policy refered to above and the routing domain policy?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
=A0
In page 4:
resources:=A0=A0 A resource is an IRS-specific = use of memory, storage, or
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 execution that a commissioner= may consume due to its IRS
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 operations.=A0 The amount of each such resource that a comm= issioner
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 may consume in the context of a particular agen= t can be
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 constrained.=A0 Examples of such resources coul= d include: the number
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 of installed operations, number of= operations that haven't reached
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 their start-time, etc.=A0 These are not protocol-specific r= esources
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 or network-specific resources.
_____________= _____________
=A0
suggest distinguishing resources by a= dding *operation resources*, to distiguish from network resources.
=A0
AB
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--e89a8f923b068d026404cac4d60f-- Return-Path: X-Original-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D1E21F8496 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:28:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.486 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.486 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.112, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SfndD5YJLbm0 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4D121F8425 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iec9 with SMTP id 9so8703824iec.31 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:28:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=JgcqkZXc57g3A14jI+208jN9C9Cp33ipdREwYA1VhvU=; b=07XpYlJxQW97WcsMNH/tx9DMOx5mEJt6YOQJYJHNvEpUEn14LmaEqWj7cIzLcJ+a3T d+q3QvWv6lEE+x++IbgCBXr2sleZiLS9jmv2UIsPwDYn/exZtJrvzLJdUUw9j2wAb7gt 6WXQjwVCWIFn8dv5rrl718XnYnVgHEOLmDGc7LySr3N0ekrEMXTJAlcALoSiS1SeUYR2 HXMAwGNWDhU7Mgabiyc1cVdhCCJxKNg6c5Lk0yJ8pnVNnACJZISEDUobEegTsyxrKsql qt2hdinc9857inctjPbxishRDd2EDKsmAtIkhj4EYdOURbKbWYYABwRXz0rPWrzjfBeF 8qgQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.37.142 with SMTP id y14mr5789826icd.44.1348846118420; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.25.46 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 16:28:38 +0100 Message-ID: From: Abdussalam Baryun To: akatlas@juniper.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e80e4bebfba04cac4b57c Cc: irs-discuss@ietf.org Subject: [irs-discuss] draft-ward-irs-framework-00 X-BeenThere: irs-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System \(IRS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 15:28:39 -0000 --90e6ba6e80e4bebfba04cac4b57c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi I suggest you include All Internet Routing Protocol we have so far in IETF, and then describe the framework. IMO we already have Routing Interfaces, so we need to distiguish them and make a framework for them and future routing systems, AB --90e6ba6e80e4bebfba04cac4b57c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi
=A0
I suggest you include All Internet Routing = Protocol we have so far in IETF, and then describe the framework.
IMO we already have Routing Interfaces, so we need to distiguish them and = make a framework for them and future routing systems,
=A0
AB
=A0
=A0
--90e6ba6e80e4bebfba04cac4b57c-- Return-Path: X-Original-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F6221F85A2 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:22:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.482 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.482 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.116, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LNg2bNWBAFrA for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB22221F850B for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iec9 with SMTP id 9so8684638iec.31 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:22:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=bNZJtVVo11XUBSCMd2nkvRL/oHBXT/QEmJc8rH5ape0=; b=kfn3NmiLuhOVEoi65TJhNkXrLzrK7yCyWxNobG8wyp8fiXI5I7/G8HFZZy0rKVttLn RMPDbdI+wgUV1GmX5+BrTGCWXBavQLgzRmxO5quRizKuX8ShsYGUhqa+oK1tbS7N/QGQ 8n5K/dbbZYS3DCA7v95kjyJM+n/Fs2lJA9S5z1pa41SUFC7w6y7eB7+nGQ2aYV+G9EsC PlYK4A472jxhprRgeLMgTzglEme1jsrMPbsJ7iIlcwkMNfStWjKbf8Ucz8A0D4h43q74 rWqv48Zm5nMbqLANnGOXpKW7giFKZN32prmAP/3sQszQQD7dquSFLN9/s8cxZhDP2pZd Umzw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.5.180 with SMTP id t20mr1993351igt.31.1348845745459; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.25.46 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 16:22:25 +0100 Message-ID: From: Abdussalam Baryun To: irs-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f50254883d21904cac49f65 Cc: tnadeau@juniper.net, "David Ward \(wardd\)" Subject: [irs-discuss] draft-atlas-irs-problem-statement X-BeenThere: irs-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System \(IRS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 15:22:28 -0000 --e89a8f50254883d21904cac49f65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi All Why out of scope for the interface between IRS agent and the routing/signalling protocols? I recommend it in scope. I am doing some work from July on a protocol :Node Ability of Participation (NAP) [*], which will introduce its ideas in this IRS force as well in ROLL. [*] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-baryun-roll-nap-00 Regards AB --e89a8f50254883d21904cac49f65 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All
=A0
Why out of scope for the interface betw= een IRS agent and the routing/signalling protocols?
I recommend i= t in scope.
=A0
I am doing some work from July on a pro= tocol :Node Ability of Participation (NAP) [*], which will introduce its id= eas in this=A0IRS force as well in ROLL.
=A0
=A0
Regards
AB
--e89a8f50254883d21904cac49f65-- Return-Path: X-Original-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E0121F84F1 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:11:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.478 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.478 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.120, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lVagV3W9Vcce for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBDF21F8466 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iec9 with SMTP id 9so8650246iec.31 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:11:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=FJYqvQ8hYd/I6f6iU/jzkjFQfmkLWN8d4a75MOZ9BTM=; b=Gs5Ilzez6IkjwkqnpTQzRkaSzloNt0Ezzu33Z2daPPmUJIPMSEhVvd+YX4/8KzUnTC 0deerF1qiqjODQsHO6yO0pCrcjqnIvMBW40CVYKRrJIzhdOW6AnHNnPQ5FNu6AzAUePi F0EI5HLjQBmv/J6RnZevhy+Si9VNt/KrfWcNIcl0wx0fS2iWreF6g2rj/hidrWPxmgw7 J7UT03WlOdQCHY0ijMQLa4UGgp0TAd9zFbEHOvxIiq/0kTQFCCNdwvtLUU/gP5NUnA5U jXzb4Qpx3HlG+/S9K+U8O7+9Lq0csv3ldfzdveqHvP1Q449PpKjZPYdxruQ1T4HLZ7G/ 41ZA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.5.180 with SMTP id t20mr1957248igt.31.1348845074101; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.25.46 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:11:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <08b401cd9d7f$b70c81b0$25258510$@olddog.co.uk> References: <08b401cd9d7f$b70c81b0$25258510$@olddog.co.uk> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 16:11:14 +0100 Message-ID: From: Abdussalam Baryun To: adrian@olddog.co.uk Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f5025487fb4d004cac4779d Cc: rcallon@juniper.net, "David Ward \(wardd\)" , irs-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [irs-discuss] IRS BoF in Atlanta X-BeenThere: irs-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System \(IRS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 15:11:19 -0000 --e89a8f5025487fb4d004cac4779d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thnaks Adrian, I ask all to discuss as well, and reply to emails, please don't ignore, I will send my comments on I-Ds AB On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi, > > The IAB and IESG had their BoF Coordination conference call on Wednesday > this > week and after discussion, I have granted the request for a BoF in Atlanta. > > You can see an initial outline on the BoF Wiki at > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/ > > Dave Ward and Ross Callon have agreed to chair the BoF (bringing > substantial > IETF experience to the front desk). > > Can I ask you all to make sure you review and discuss the I-Ds. > > There will also be a draft WG charter out for discussion soon. > > Thanks, > Adrian > > _______________________________________________ > irs-discuss mailing list > irs-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss > --e89a8f5025487fb4d004cac4779d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thnaks Adrian,
=A0
=A0I ask all to discuss as well= , and reply to emails, please don't ignore, I will send my comments on = I-Ds
=A0
AB
On Fri,= Sep 28, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,

The IAB and IESG had their BoF Coordination conference call on Wednesday th= is
week and after discussion, I have granted the request for a BoF in Atlanta.=

You can see an initial outline on the BoF Wiki at
http://t= rac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/

Dave Ward and Ross Callon have agreed to chair the BoF (bringing substantia= l
IETF experience to the front desk).

Can I ask you all to make sure you review and discuss the I-Ds.

There will also be a draft WG charter out for discussion soon.

Thanks,
Adrian

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--e89a8f5025487fb4d004cac4779d-- Return-Path: X-Original-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF7221F84D8 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 06:47:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kJOp2bzbnGPS for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 06:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0895F21F85C2 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 06:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q8SDksPM013009; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:46:54 +0100 Received: from 950129200 ([31.104.176.192]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q8SDkqpa012991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:46:53 +0100 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:46:50 +0100 Message-ID: <08b401cd9d7f$b70c81b0$25258510$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac2dfzg85dGr4zrZTK2q8lXJXpY8Ig== Content-Language: en-gb Cc: rcallon@juniper.net, "David Ward \(wardd\)" Subject: [irs-discuss] IRS BoF in Atlanta X-BeenThere: irs-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System \(IRS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 13:47:00 -0000 Hi, The IAB and IESG had their BoF Coordination conference call on Wednesday this week and after discussion, I have granted the request for a BoF in Atlanta. You can see an initial outline on the BoF Wiki at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/ Dave Ward and Ross Callon have agreed to chair the BoF (bringing substantial IETF experience to the front desk). Can I ask you all to make sure you review and discuss the I-Ds. There will also be a draft WG charter out for discussion soon. Thanks, Adrian Return-Path: X-Original-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE0C621E80BC for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 10:30:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.522 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.077, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vK2HcBZufFbc for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 10:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-f44.google.com (mail-bk0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41EE21E80B9 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 10:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bkty12 with SMTP id y12so1837268bkt.31 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 10:30:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=TWnUgHiUgKZWbA+4oVB2JsHWoKoqkoOqe91l+n+Qp1E=; b=EAQKLxa1LR/EHhBXNujn+N6xov2IXHpDI17TYrFWCgueRv6nwkC/ken06wbPMHt1Pv wMK8Q6Yw88n0mkE3Joy+ISCBnN/ffECqBEj2kL6FLPr1fDscbsa4dGx/avgqs7GMOZhj ev0tdh1bPjwSCT4eJNW5mnZciEmCiy8sPSYgljRenVSj6YZVwgz68pMfQZQ81dv6EmQR Xn4iy+hIkLshxDTxpV5d0aAjGGoavEYSJ0crlMgxJVYLHj4JR6W545tGZ8PxkXNRg9TB e2LJAxJ8aIu6He1r2bJI8zZoqGBZYPLHJQvSejnGannUsXsCg2qehcDBWhhaAH+lNIPK G4Uw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.5.144 with SMTP id 16mr2548329bkv.128.1348248639087; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 10:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.37.7 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 10:30:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5059CA9A.8040202@riw.us> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:30:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: Aldrin Isaac To: Abdussalam Baryun Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Russ White , irs-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [irs-discuss] Use Cases Draft First Cut X-BeenThere: irs-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System \(IRS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 17:30:43 -0000 Please ignore my last gmail blunder. On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Aldrin Isaac wrote: > Lucy, could we organize the use cases draft in a manner similar to the > presentation? I.e. Use case categories under which would be use case > requirements and their examples and associated discussion? > > On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Abdussalam Baryun > wrote: >> Hi Russ, >> >> The draft is interesting and IMO, I cannot give any feedback if there >> are references but not shown. I suggest that at least [1-5] references >> that you see is the most important for the draft to be given on the >> list. >> >> AB >> ---- >> On 9/19/12, Russ White wrote: >>> Y'all: >>> >>> Last night I published a new draft on use cases for IRS. Please read and >>> send comments! >>> >>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-white-irs-use-case/ >>> >>> Several points to consider: >>> >>> 1. I've left all references out at the moment. I suspect this text is >>> going to be changing a good bit; putting references in at this early of >>> a stage invites reference mismatches through major text revisions. >>> >>> 2. I've left out a couple of suggested use cases. I think we need to >>> focus on use cases that reach beyond currently available mechanisms, and >>> show interaction between multiple pieces of an overall system. >>> >>> 3. I've worded some summary points in requirements language, >>> specifically using SHOULD in a couple of places. We need to think about >>> whether or not these types of references are "proper" in a use cases >>> draft of this sort. >>> >>> 4. The text is probably still rough around the edges --I've focused more >>> on the justification for the work in the introduction than on the actual >>> text of the use cases. I'm certain the text in the actual use cases will >>> harden as we get comments and edit those sections. >>> >>> Again, please read and make comments! >>> >>> Russ >>> >>> -- >>> <>< >>> riwhite@verisign.com >>> russw@riw.us >>> _______________________________________________ >>> irs-discuss mailing list >>> irs-discuss@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> irs-discuss mailing list >> irs-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss Return-Path: X-Original-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D596421F875C for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 10:29:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.507 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.507 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.092, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nOvtlX0oQZjr for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 10:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-f44.google.com (mail-bk0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEACA21F84FA for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 10:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bkty12 with SMTP id y12so1836803bkt.31 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 10:29:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=lCgr2haM2i2Kdg4AXqyYX05zP/ZykkbIkBs+v35wuR0=; b=BmsLNY3rg+cxG7qUbANoGNumZ2EcM3GBylp46eV5uSE4zts9g8S10n1TUMVhKxMaCD kfBeiSehZianATtZ0L82x3+u17klQL/AzgcwYne8mwL9gOWlh5alALCjT/eG9uRDtyow gCp4BkYV9n1wq2/q4ZIpqTinVTggtemj4nnVX47VDN42OtlrsHfbTiataTM2r5kMXtxl Wz/SMfhV59sQXt86Tn34MocyHMJlVVPXBuJmXZIOJ+vpak3mmRl4WkQBAdMU6GE4n80o yeYUMwoGdupUY+/gSuHVnt/h0fhmIa0wiKx/ehK7uZTtPSHFfHUGD06O+YbxUDsSxTRu 5TpA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.147.1 with SMTP id j1mr2574646bkv.110.1348248574760; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 10:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.37.7 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 10:29:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5059CA9A.8040202@riw.us> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:29:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: Aldrin Isaac To: Abdussalam Baryun Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Russ White , irs-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [irs-discuss] Use Cases Draft First Cut X-BeenThere: irs-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System \(IRS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 17:29:36 -0000 Lucy, could we organize the use cases draft in a manner similar to the presentation? I.e. Use case categories under which would be use case requirements and their examples and associated discussion? On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: > Hi Russ, > > The draft is interesting and IMO, I cannot give any feedback if there > are references but not shown. I suggest that at least [1-5] references > that you see is the most important for the draft to be given on the > list. > > AB > ---- > On 9/19/12, Russ White wrote: >> Y'all: >> >> Last night I published a new draft on use cases for IRS. Please read and >> send comments! >> >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-white-irs-use-case/ >> >> Several points to consider: >> >> 1. I've left all references out at the moment. I suspect this text is >> going to be changing a good bit; putting references in at this early of >> a stage invites reference mismatches through major text revisions. >> >> 2. I've left out a couple of suggested use cases. I think we need to >> focus on use cases that reach beyond currently available mechanisms, and >> show interaction between multiple pieces of an overall system. >> >> 3. I've worded some summary points in requirements language, >> specifically using SHOULD in a couple of places. We need to think about >> whether or not these types of references are "proper" in a use cases >> draft of this sort. >> >> 4. The text is probably still rough around the edges --I've focused more >> on the justification for the work in the introduction than on the actual >> text of the use cases. I'm certain the text in the actual use cases will >> harden as we get comments and edit those sections. >> >> Again, please read and make comments! >> >> Russ >> >> -- >> <>< >> riwhite@verisign.com >> russw@riw.us >> _______________________________________________ >> irs-discuss mailing list >> irs-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss >> > _______________________________________________ > irs-discuss mailing list > irs-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss Return-Path: X-Original-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE9121F8688 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 07:32:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rbydwu1+gkVi for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 07:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f172.google.com (mail-vc0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847C921F85F7 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 07:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vcbfo14 with SMTP id fo14so4320028vcb.31 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 07:32:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=j8yHksXI5m/aoxOGg6tO8xvp1y95IBpP/opbfmepoyo=; b=Mn/YgIXJ3fYPEfQJv6PRGzAnYSvQbqtatLB72U2S1fZfZkIRoaaWdqnSoOHAaN6hbK AUWw5h37uERFcmP2mrteeLnEBYVkGBsD761neQq+xdGj8rNJ69y1h3zsu66K8Xwm/nZd q0+ToZyxDJuVlQ6I4x2h8/dDJ+10Am10k1x/BgahbHMBUj2Ap6s4uumk/NGg/bf8EWP9 O397RM2F/2lC95r/WcGEjFl+dlSuNQIuV9JjIBNdA/sgu9sLFsPckdfj6sMK0ZQckRTQ QD3I9hXeJLFbCL1xJP0Xq8e/RHzziUmVGvwDwwHvUqlrPG6O6N3/D/JhZmq9w8fVuB6M h95A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.12.231 with SMTP id b7mr3212189vec.28.1348237947966; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 07:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.2.83 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 07:32:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5059CA9A.8040202@riw.us> References: <5059CA9A.8040202@riw.us> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:32:27 +0200 Message-ID: From: Abdussalam Baryun To: Russ White Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: irs-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [irs-discuss] Use Cases Draft First Cut X-BeenThere: irs-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System \(IRS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:32:29 -0000 Hi Russ, The draft is interesting and IMO, I cannot give any feedback if there are references but not shown. I suggest that at least [1-5] references that you see is the most important for the draft to be given on the list. AB ---- On 9/19/12, Russ White wrote: > Y'all: > > Last night I published a new draft on use cases for IRS. Please read and > send comments! > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-white-irs-use-case/ > > Several points to consider: > > 1. I've left all references out at the moment. I suspect this text is > going to be changing a good bit; putting references in at this early of > a stage invites reference mismatches through major text revisions. > > 2. I've left out a couple of suggested use cases. I think we need to > focus on use cases that reach beyond currently available mechanisms, and > show interaction between multiple pieces of an overall system. > > 3. I've worded some summary points in requirements language, > specifically using SHOULD in a couple of places. We need to think about > whether or not these types of references are "proper" in a use cases > draft of this sort. > > 4. The text is probably still rough around the edges --I've focused more > on the justification for the work in the introduction than on the actual > text of the use cases. I'm certain the text in the actual use cases will > harden as we get comments and edit those sections. > > Again, please read and make comments! > > Russ > > -- > <>< > riwhite@verisign.com > russw@riw.us > _______________________________________________ > irs-discuss mailing list > irs-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss > Return-Path: X-Original-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8993121E8047 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:30:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.788 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.788 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, CN_BODY_35=0.339, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by 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List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 23:12:11 -0000 Mach: Thank you for your input on the format of the requirements. Let me chat with Alia and Russ on that before I answer.=20 I'd like to ask a few questions to clarify the rest of the ideas: 2. Optimized Exit Interface status and bandwidth of the interfaces is useful to determine = the per interface information. Are you concerned to get this information so = you know if you overload the interface?=20 If this is the case, I understand your concern.=20 If you are trying to have the IRS commissioner look at the real time = traffic along the path by using the IRS, please tell me why you think IRS is = useful. (Please note: I'm not disagreeing - just trying to find out more information). What is "sub-pub"? Is this is the sub-interface?=20 3. BGP routing protocol. On the BGP protocol case, it is sometimes important to insert the route = at the BGP level to distribution and change the routing infrastructure on = more than one router. Perhaps we should chat more offline in order about = how this works. Maybe I missed something here.=20 4. On the MPLS ideas, Let's chat more about the use cases offline.=20 I thought this might be a good use case.=20 I'll be in touch shortly offline.=20 Thank you for the great input.=20 Sue=20 -----Original Message----- From: irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Mach Chen Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 5:31 AM To: Russ White; irs-discuss@ietf.org Subject: [irs-discuss] =B4=F0=B8=B4: Use Cases Draft First Cut Hi Authors, I just read your draft, here are my comments: 1. For each use case, there list a set of capabilities and requirements, = but several of them are the same and repeat in each use case, IMHO, it may = be better to put all requirements and capabilities into a separate sections = and may be split into the requirement draft in the future. =20 2. Optimized Exit Control, "Summary of IRS Capabilities and Interactions:" Besides the listed capabilities, IMHO, there should be the capability to monitor the status, bandwidth of specific interfaces, hence to help the controller makes the decision. In addition , from the scalability and flexibility point of view, there should support sub-pub capability, the controller subscribe to and only receive some of the events, entries, interfaces, the agent also only need to send the subscribed information = of the controller. =20 3. Within Data Center Routing It seems not nature to conclude that IRS is needed and useful from the = usage of BGP in datacenter, read through the sections, it gives me the feeling that it actually proposes centralized routing. It requires to get/inject information from/into specific routing protocols to control the routing. Since the IRS assumed to have the capability to install routes directly = into the rib, why we need to inject information to the routing protocol to implicitly control the routing? It cannot guarantee that injected routes finally work, because the routes have to compete with the routes from = other protocols.=20 4. Central membership computation for MPLS based VPNs Seems that it = proposes to replace MP-BGP with IRS, if so, besides the VPN routes distribution, = the controller also need to maintain and allocate labels for each private = route; in addition, there also needs some mechanisms for tunnel setup. So, = besides the listed capabilities, there IRS need to support more capabilities.=20 Best regards, Mach > -----=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE----- > =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org=20 > [mailto:irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA > =B1=ED Russ White > =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2012=C4=EA9=D4=C219=C8=D5 21:38 > =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: irs-discuss@ietf.org > =D6=F7=CC=E2: [irs-discuss] Use Cases Draft First Cut >=20 > Y'all: >=20 > Last night I published a new draft on use cases for IRS. Please read=20 > and send comments! >=20 > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-white-irs-use-case/ >=20 > Several points to consider: >=20 > 1. I've left all references out at the moment. I suspect this text is=20 > going to be changing a good bit; putting references in at this early=20 > of a stage invites reference mismatches through major text revisions. >=20 > 2. I've left out a couple of suggested use cases. I think we need to=20 > focus on use cases that reach beyond currently available mechanisms,=20 > and show interaction between multiple pieces of an overall system. >=20 > 3. I've worded some summary points in requirements language,=20 > specifically using SHOULD in a couple of places. We need to think=20 > about whether or not these types of references are "proper" in a use=20 > cases draft of this sort. >=20 > 4. The text is probably still rough around the edges --I've focused=20 > more on the justification for the work in the introduction than on the = > actual text of the use cases. I'm certain the text in the actual use=20 > cases will harden as we get comments and edit those sections. >=20 > Again, please read and make comments! >=20 > Russ >=20 > -- > <>< > riwhite@verisign.com > russw@riw.us > _______________________________________________ > irs-discuss mailing list > irs-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss _______________________________________________ irs-discuss mailing list irs-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss Return-Path: X-Original-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6901721F8711 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 02:33:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.788 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.788 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, CN_BODY_35=0.339, 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [irs-discuss] Use Cases Draft First Cut X-BeenThere: irs-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System \(IRS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:49:14 -0000 --_002_6A19849347D1D1499E75EB41E82C420A4BD040B8F0EMBX01WFjnprn_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Russ, Please find my comments on the draft in the attached text file. -- Bruno -----Original Message----- From: irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org] On= Behalf Of Russ White Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 3:38 PM To: irs-discuss@ietf.org Subject: [irs-discuss] Use Cases Draft First Cut Y'all: Last night I published a new draft on use cases for IRS. Please read and se= nd comments! http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-white-irs-use-case/ Several points to consider: 1. I've left all references out at the moment. I suspect this text is going= to be changing a good bit; putting references in at this early of a stage = invites reference mismatches through major text revisions. 2. I've left out a couple of suggested use cases. I think we need to focus = on use cases that reach beyond currently available mechanisms, and show int= eraction between multiple pieces of an overall system. 3. I've worded some summary points in requirements language, specifically u= sing SHOULD in a couple of places. We need to think about whether or not th= ese types of references are "proper" in a use cases draft of this sort. 4. The text is probably still rough around the edges --I've focused more on= the justification for the work in the introduction than on the actual text= of the use cases. I'm certain the text in the actual use cases will harden= as we get comments and edit those sections. Again, please read and make comments! Russ -- <>< riwhite@verisign.com russw@riw.us _______________________________________________ irs-discuss mailing list irs-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss --_002_6A19849347D1D1499E75EB41E82C420A4BD040B8F0EMBX01WFjnprn_ Content-Type: text/plain; name="draft-white-irs-use-case-00-bruno-comments.txt" Content-Description: draft-white-irs-use-case-00-bruno-comments.txt Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="draft-white-irs-use-case-00-bruno-comments.txt"; size=41709; creation-date="Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:42:22 GMT"; modification-date="Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:46:24 GMT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 DQoNCg0KUm91dGluZyBBcmVhIFdvcmtpbmcgR3JvdXAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgIFIuIFdoaXRlDQpJbnRlcm5ldC1EcmFmdCAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgVmVyaXNpZ24NCkludGVuZGVkIHN0YXR1czog SW5mb3JtYXRpb25hbCAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICBTLiBIYXJlcw0K 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4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TEKTg-0006EO-EX for irs-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 06:38:08 -0700 Message-ID: <5059CAC3.5070100@riw.us> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:38:11 -0400 From: Russ White User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: irs-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Seems clean. You should still use an Antivirus Scanner Subject: [irs-discuss] Use Cases Draft First Cut X-BeenThere: irs-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System \(IRS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:38:09 -0000 Y'all: Last night I published a new draft on use cases for IRS. Please read and send comments! http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-white-irs-use-case/ Several points to consider: 1. I've left all references out at the moment. I suspect this text is going to be changing a good bit; putting references in at this early of a stage invites reference mismatches through major text revisions. 2. I've left out a couple of suggested use cases. I think we need to focus on use cases that reach beyond currently available mechanisms, and show interaction between multiple pieces of an overall system. 3. I've worded some summary points in requirements language, specifically using SHOULD in a couple of places. We need to think about whether or not these types of references are "proper" in a use cases draft of this sort. 4. The text is probably still rough around the edges --I've focused more on the justification for the work in the introduction than on the actual text of the use cases. I'm certain the text in the actual use cases will harden as we get comments and edit those sections. Again, please read and make comments! Russ -- <>< riwhite@verisign.com russw@riw.us Return-Path: X-Original-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F45521F865C for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 06:37:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9+0jVtiQC6kt for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 06:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from da31.namelessnet.net (da31.namelessnet.net [74.124.205.66]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEAB021F8644 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 06:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpe-065-190-156-032.nc.res.rr.com ([65.190.156.32] helo=[192.168.100.52]) by da31.namelessnet.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TEKT1-0006Cm-Tx for irs-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2012 06:37:28 -0700 Message-ID: <5059CA9A.8040202@riw.us> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:37:30 -0400 From: Russ White User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: irs-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Seems clean. You should still use an Antivirus Scanner Subject: [irs-discuss] Use Cases Draft First Cut X-BeenThere: irs-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System \(IRS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:37:34 -0000 Y'all: Last night I published a new draft on use cases for IRS. Please read and send comments! http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-white-irs-use-case/ Several points to consider: 1. I've left all references out at the moment. I suspect this text is going to be changing a good bit; putting references in at this early of a stage invites reference mismatches through major text revisions. 2. I've left out a couple of suggested use cases. I think we need to focus on use cases that reach beyond currently available mechanisms, and show interaction between multiple pieces of an overall system. 3. I've worded some summary points in requirements language, specifically using SHOULD in a couple of places. We need to think about whether or not these types of references are "proper" in a use cases draft of this sort. 4. The text is probably still rough around the edges --I've focused more on the justification for the work in the introduction than on the actual text of the use cases. I'm certain the text in the actual use cases will harden as we get comments and edit those sections. Again, please read and make comments! Russ -- <>< riwhite@verisign.com russw@riw.us Return-Path: X-Original-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673EA21F85A3 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:57:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MnZEsMwVwLk2 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og125.obsmtp.com (exprod7og125.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.28]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46C721F846C for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB03-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob125.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUFDbIAmgWwN0HRPC3lphPpA3yplG+3Op@postini.com; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:57:41 PDT Received: from p-emfe02-wf.jnpr.net (172.28.145.25) by P-EMHUB03-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.37) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.213.0; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:50:29 -0700 Received: from EMBX01-WF.jnpr.net ([fe80::1914:3299:33d9:e43b]) by p-emfe02-wf.jnpr.net ([fe80::c126:c633:d2dc:8090%11]) with mapi; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:50:28 -0400 From: Bruno Rijsman To: Alia Atlas , "Flinck, Hannu (NSN - FI/Espoo)" Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:50:26 -0400 Thread-Topic: [irs-discuss] New Version Notification fordraft-atlas-irs-policy-framework-00.txt Thread-Index: Ac2RFxcZTawK1ONpQIajSHySAScZqQAAClOw Message-ID: <6A19849347D1D1499E75EB41E82C420A4BD01D9711@EMBX01-WF.jnpr.net> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "irs-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [irs-discuss] New Version Notification fordraft-atlas-irs-policy-framework-00.txt X-BeenThere: irs-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System \(IRS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:57:46 -0000 Hi Alia, I believe that "services" is the more common word for what you call "sub-in= terfaces" -- Bruno -----Original Message----- From: irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org] On= Behalf Of Alia Atlas Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:47 PM To: Flinck, Hannu (NSN - FI/Espoo) Cc: irs-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [irs-discuss] New Version Notification fordraft-atlas-irs-poli= cy-framework-00.txt Hi Hannu, In Sec 4 of draft-ward-irs-framework-00, there are different interfaces des= cribed. These are the sub-interfaces intended. Clearly, cleaning up some terminology and focusing on consistency is import= ant. Any other thoughts or comments? Alia On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Flinck, Hannu (NSN - FI/Espoo) wrote: > I must be missing something but where are the IRS sub-interfaces=20 > defined? > Your draft says: > > " Since IRS provides sub-interfaces to routing sub-systems that=20 > already have policy defined (implicitly > or explicitly), it is important to consider the existing policy > mechanisms and how an IRS sub-interface should interact with them." > > I checked the framework draft but could not find the definition. > > - Hannu > > -----Original Message----- > From: irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org=20 > [mailto:irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of ext Alia Atlas > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:19 AM > To: irs-discuss@ietf.org > Subject: [irs-discuss] New Version Notification=20 > fordraft-atlas-irs-policy-framework-00.txt > > We have just submitted a new draft about IRS; this is focused on the=20 > implicit and explicit policy related to the desired behavior for IRS -=20 > and briefly discusses policy considerations for the various=20 > sub-interfaces/data-models needed by IRS. > > Please let us know what you think. > > Thanks, > Alia > > -----Original Message----- > > A new version of I-D, draft-atlas-irs-policy-framework-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Alia Atlas and posted to the IETF=20 > repository. > > Filename: draft-atlas-irs-policy-framework > Revision: 00 > Title: A Policy Framework for the Interface to the Routing > System > Creation date: 2012-09-11 > WG ID: Individual Submission > Number of pages: 19 > URL: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-atlas-irs-policy-framework-00. > txt > Status: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-atlas-irs-policy-framework > Htmlized: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-atlas-irs-policy-framework-00 > > > Abstract: > A key aspect of the Interface to the Routing System (IRS) is what > mechanisms it includes to carry policy information and to enable > policy control. This applies both in the protocol itself and in the > sub-interfaces associated with the different components of the > routing system. Similarly, the data-models associated with the sub- > interfaces must be capable of expressing the appropriate granularity > for access and authorization-related policy. This document describes > the policy framework for IRS. > > > > > > The IETF Secretariat > > _______________________________________________ > irs-discuss mailing list > irs-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss > _______________________________________________ > irs-discuss mailing list > irs-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss _______________________________________________ irs-discuss mailing list irs-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss Return-Path: X-Original-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0005921F843E for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:47:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 88Mi228RW9xl for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D9821F8629 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ieak13 with SMTP id k13so3875270iea.31 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:47:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=8JuluVVUnPtX3rNg1vj5rODdd5HxdlJrkcnGO1jVxzg=; b=ViPZ8wWWuViMdF9eDLqsWp6FN1QWT6gLME8alHhJVg5C1nkTXYCj/4Fpb+N4NbwwOu 1qnBkwTKiXz9DWO6qg+PR6BYPsvrpuwcmIe8p+3+cFc+z5tTRSH2ft0o442Cm4F0HHzO wO5kT6prm4koyKR74dn7qYdF5JRtjEssdP7e/qsmhGRfgNZ48gUYBqxhwUvwH0w69uLm xHikO/K4WRhizY3LEloMKPfd89ta2Xskhvv9j+BBI9UdQodn2EX+svwxrwoYDp6p1Uo2 DlThStFPc+fU6Qwu9nQyJox0ycPXaYcxyzwVlq0kCHMfUtZgOojLNikstFBklNki/qy0 6uJg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.85.134 with SMTP id h6mr21325591igz.2.1347475645851; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.91.135 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:47:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:47:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alia Atlas To: "Flinck, Hannu (NSN - FI/Espoo)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: irs-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [irs-discuss] New Version Notification fordraft-atlas-irs-policy-framework-00.txt X-BeenThere: irs-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System \(IRS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:47:27 -0000 Hi Hannu, In Sec 4 of draft-ward-irs-framework-00, there are different interfaces described. These are the sub-interfaces intended. Clearly, cleaning up some terminology and focusing on consistency is important. Any other thoughts or comments? Alia On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Flinck, Hannu (NSN - FI/Espoo) wrote: > I must be missing something but where are the IRS sub-interfaces > defined? > Your draft says: > > " Since IRS provides sub-interfaces to routing sub-systems that already > have policy defined (implicitly > or explicitly), it is important to consider the existing policy > mechanisms and how an IRS sub-interface should interact with them." > > I checked the framework draft but could not find the definition. > > - Hannu > > -----Original Message----- > From: irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of ext Alia Atlas > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:19 AM > To: irs-discuss@ietf.org > Subject: [irs-discuss] New Version Notification > fordraft-atlas-irs-policy-framework-00.txt > > We have just submitted a new draft about IRS; this is focused on the > implicit and explicit policy related to the desired behavior for IRS - > and briefly discusses policy considerations for the various > sub-interfaces/data-models needed by IRS. > > Please let us know what you think. > > Thanks, > Alia > > -----Original Message----- > > A new version of I-D, draft-atlas-irs-policy-framework-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Alia Atlas and posted to the IETF > repository. > > Filename: draft-atlas-irs-policy-framework > Revision: 00 > Title: A Policy Framework for the Interface to the Routing > System > Creation date: 2012-09-11 > WG ID: Individual Submission > Number of pages: 19 > URL: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-atlas-irs-policy-framework-00. > txt > Status: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-atlas-irs-policy-framework > Htmlized: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-atlas-irs-policy-framework-00 > > > Abstract: > A key aspect of the Interface to the Routing System (IRS) is what > mechanisms it includes to carry policy information and to enable > policy control. This applies both in the protocol itself and in the > sub-interfaces associated with the different components of the > routing system. Similarly, the data-models associated with the sub- > interfaces must be capable of expressing the appropriate granularity > for access and authorization-related policy. This document describes > the policy framework for IRS. > > > > > > The IETF Secretariat > > _______________________________________________ > irs-discuss mailing list > irs-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss > _______________________________________________ > irs-discuss mailing list > irs-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss Return-Path: X-Original-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5C221F861F for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:06:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z4C3+aIgb6+r for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (demumfd002.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.31]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4810621F8621 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.56]) by demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q8CE6dEP022807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:06:39 +0200 Received: from demuexc023.nsn-intra.net (demuexc023.nsn-intra.net [10.150.128.36]) by demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q8CE6dZJ007376; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:06:39 +0200 Received: from FIESEXC008.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.0.16]) by demuexc023.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:06:19 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 17:06:18 +0300 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [irs-discuss] New Version Notification fordraft-atlas-irs-policy-framework-00.txt Thread-Index: Ac2QYrcXxU9DgC6eSru+YF3LJ4/3ggAAAhMwACMwB/A= References: From: "Flinck, Hannu (NSN - FI/Espoo)" To: "ext Alia Atlas" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2012 14:06:19.0875 (UTC) FILETIME=[C87BC330:01CD90EF] X-purgate-type: clean X-purgate-Ad: Categorized by eleven eXpurgate (R) http://www.eleven.de X-purgate: clean X-purgate: This mail is considered clean (visit http://www.eleven.de for further information) X-purgate-size: 2381 X-purgate-ID: 151667::1347458799-00003184-1BE072A6/0-0/0-0 Subject: Re: [irs-discuss] New Version Notification fordraft-atlas-irs-policy-framework-00.txt X-BeenThere: irs-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System \(IRS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 14:06:42 -0000 I must be missing something but where are the IRS sub-interfaces defined? Your draft says: " Since IRS provides sub-interfaces to routing sub-systems that already have policy defined (implicitly or explicitly), it is important to consider the existing policy mechanisms and how an IRS sub-interface should interact with them." I checked the framework draft but could not find the definition. - Hannu -----Original Message----- From: irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Alia Atlas Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:19 AM To: irs-discuss@ietf.org Subject: [irs-discuss] New Version Notification fordraft-atlas-irs-policy-framework-00.txt We have just submitted a new draft about IRS; this is focused on the implicit and explicit policy related to the desired behavior for IRS - and briefly discusses policy considerations for the various sub-interfaces/data-models needed by IRS. Please let us know what you think. Thanks, Alia -----Original Message----- A new version of I-D, draft-atlas-irs-policy-framework-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Alia Atlas and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-atlas-irs-policy-framework Revision: 00 Title: A Policy Framework for the Interface to the Routing System Creation date: 2012-09-11 WG ID: Individual Submission Number of pages: 19 URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-atlas-irs-policy-framework-00. txt Status: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-atlas-irs-policy-framework Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-atlas-irs-policy-framework-00 Abstract: A key aspect of the Interface to the Routing System (IRS) is what mechanisms it includes to carry policy information and to enable policy control. This applies both in the protocol itself and in the sub-interfaces associated with the different components of the routing system. Similarly, the data-models associated with the sub- interfaces must be capable of expressing the appropriate granularity for access and authorization-related policy. This document describes the policy framework for IRS. =20 The IETF Secretariat _______________________________________________ irs-discuss mailing list irs-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss Return-Path: X-Original-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F38E21F8692 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:21:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7rDZGUua6ueL for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og108.obsmtp.com (exprod7og108.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.169]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3FCC21F869C for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob108.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUE+rS6V1toWGM4Mou0GhJq5YE1vjYt6j@postini.com; 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Wed, 5 Sep 2012 11:06:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W4WWq4wFF-MW for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 11:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og108.obsmtp.com (exprod7og108.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.169]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C53D21F84D9 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 11:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB02-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob108.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUEeUjoxUn7GrKjZUPrCKc2t8+NOIyZyz@postini.com; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 11:06:06 PDT Received: from P-CLDFE02-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.60) by P-EMHUB02-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.36) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.213.0; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 11:05:01 -0700 Received: from p-emfe01-wf.jnpr.net (172.28.145.24) by p-cldfe02-hq.jnpr.net (172.24.192.60) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.355.2; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 11:05:00 -0700 Received: from EMBX01-WF.jnpr.net ([fe80::1914:3299:33d9:e43b]) by p-emfe01-wf.jnpr.net ([fe80::d0d1:653d:5b91:a123%11]) with mapi; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:04:57 -0400 From: Thomas Nadeau To: "irs-discuss@ietf.org" Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:04:56 -0400 Thread-Topic: Comments on problem statement and framework drafts Thread-Index: Ac2LkPWbR2WiQ1R/TUGQ8OhQ1LmrRQ== Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6A19849347D1D1499E75EB41E82C420A4BCFD2C219@EMBX01-WF.jnpr.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.3.120616 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [irs-discuss] Comments on problem statement and framework drafts X-BeenThere: irs-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System \(IRS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 18:06:07 -0000 Alia, Dave and I were getting ready to update the framework and problem statement drafts and were trying to recall changes that were suggested during the routing area meeting, as well as side conversations we had with others. It would be helpful if you have suggestions for changes/etc.. that you please post them here ASAP. Thanks, Alia, Dave and Tom Return-Path: X-Original-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D069F21F84F9; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 04:17:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B6Niw3HQFyOL; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 04:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og107.obsmtp.com (exprod7og107.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.167]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB19F21F84D7; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 04:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob107.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUESRzF6zkcfw+54w0vavS7PJtCpYiM0l@postini.com; Mon, 03 Sep 2012 04:17:33 PDT Received: from p-emfe01-wf.jnpr.net (172.28.145.24) by P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.35) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.213.0; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 04:15:10 -0700 Received: from EMBX01-WF.jnpr.net ([fe80::1914:3299:33d9:e43b]) by p-emfe01-wf.jnpr.net ([fe80::d0d1:653d:5b91:a123%11]) with mapi; Mon, 3 Sep 2012 07:15:09 -0400 From: Bruno Rijsman To: "netmod@ietf.org" Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 07:15:08 -0400 Thread-Topic: A few comments on the draft-ietf-netmod-routing-cfg-04 draft. Thread-Index: Ac2JxWCgGDoHt3+QR+66VvaZlNieRQ== Message-ID: <6A19849347D1D1499E75EB41E82C420A4BCFD2C219@EMBX01-WF.jnpr.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "irs-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: [irs-discuss] A few comments on the draft-ietf-netmod-routing-cfg-04 draft. X-BeenThere: irs-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System \(IRS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 11:17:33 -0000 I have a few comments on the draft-ietf-netmod-routing-cfg-04 draft. 1) Generalize the concept of a next-hop It appears that in the current model, routes can point to an outgoing inter= face and a next-hop address. The concept of next-hops needs to be generaliz= ed. Next-hops can have multiple tuples of outgoing interfaces and next-hop = addresses. The most common reasons is Equal Cost Multi Path (ECMP) where a = single route has multiple next-hops. This is not the same as multi-pathing = in the sense of multiple active routes to the same prefix each contributing= one next-hop. A variation of this is NECMP where the next-hops are differe= nt weights. Another reason for multiple next-hops is fast re-route where th= e next-hops represent alternatives (the first one whose interface is up is = used). Another needed generalization of next-hops is the ability to push an= d pop MPLS labels, VLAN tags, etc. Another is the ability to add a level of= indirection (e.g. BGP indirect next-hop for fast BGP reconvergence). The O= penFlow 1.x documents are a good source to look for generalized next-hop ex= amples.=20 2) Generalize the concept of a prefix Section 4.2 says that the core routing data model only defines the followin= g minimal set of route attributes: destination-prefix, next-hop, outgoing-i= nterface. However, in section 4 there are no destination-prefix or next-hop= . There are only v4ur:dest-prefix, v4ur:next-hop, v6ur:dest-prefix, v6ur:ne= xt-hop. It appears that the destination-prefix and next-hop were removed fr= om the base object and moved to the derived object. In my opinion, it would= make sense to move the destination-prefix (as a simple bit-string and leng= th) and the next-hop back to the base object. The derived object could have= a string object to contain the destination-prefix as a human-readable stri= ng (e.g. "10.0.0.0/8" for an IPv4 prefix). Furthermore, section 4.2 assumes= that the routes are always IP routes (it uses repeatedly uses terms like "= IP prefix"). The routes can be non-IP routes. For example, MPLS routes whic= h are /20 exact matches on a label, or CLNS routes, or other protocols. Som= e VPLS implementations even use the "routing table" abstraction to represen= t Ethernet routes (as exact /48 routes on MAC addresses). 3) Static (and direct) routes for multiple routing tables. Figure 2 appears to imply that static and direct routes can only be inserte= d in the main routing table. Is it possible to install static routes in mul= tiple additional routing tables? =20 4) More attributes for static routes. Configured static routes (routes in the pseudo routing-protocol "static") n= eed more attributes (e.g. metric). 5) Add support for routing-instances. Allow the creation of multiple routing-instances (also known as VRFs) per l= ogical-router. Allow interfaces to be assigned to routing-instances. Allow = multiple instances of routing protocols, scoped by routing-instance. 6) Ability for a client to subscribe to RIB changes It would be very useful for a client to be able to subscribe to route table= changes. (I am not a YANG expert and I don't know if such a thing is even = possible in YANG.) In the subscription, the client could specify one or mor= e routing tables in which it is interested and filter(s) to specify which s= ubset of routes it is interested in. 7) More sophisticated filters Section 4.5 explicitly says that the core routing data model only defines a= skeleton for filtering. It would be "good" for the working group to contin= ue this work and define more sophisticated filtering mechanisms. -- Bruno PS: Cross-post to the Interface to the Routing System (IRS) mailing list be= cause they are discussing very similar functionality.