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As some of you know, today will be my final day at Google.  I'll be
starting my new job in early September, and will be continuing with my
current activities in IETF both prior to and following the transition
(although I may be harder to reach for the next week or so ;).  The email
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<div dir=3D"ltr">As some of you know, today will be my final day at Google.=
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We have published -03 of the I2RS traceability draft.  This version of 
the draft removes the YANG model as was discussed on the list.  Please 
provide additional comments.

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Name:		draft-clarke-i2rs-traceability
Revision:	03
Title:		Interface to the Routing System (I2RS) Traceability: Framework 
and Information Model
Document date:	2014-08-28
Group:		Individual Submission
Pages:		12
URL: 
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-clarke-i2rs-traceability-03.txt
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-clarke-i2rs-traceability/
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Abstract:
    This document describes a framework for traceability in the Interface
    to the Routing System (I2RS) and information model for that
    framework.  It specifies the motivation, requirements, use cases, and
    defines an information model for recording interactions between
    elements implementing the I2RS protocol.  This framework provides a
    consistent tracing interface for components implementing the I2RS
    architecture to record what was done, by which component, and when.
    It aims to improve the management of I2RS implementations, and can be
    used for troubleshooting, auditing, forensics, and accounting
    purposes.

 



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On 7/23/14, 1:26 PM, Joe Clarke wrote:
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> 1. Closure on the YANG module question.
> 2. Adoption of draft-clarke-i2rs-traceability as a WG item

Based on feedback from the list, we published -03 with the removal of 
the YANG data model.  We feel that, based on feedback, this draft should 
be ready for adoption given the support from the list.

Joe


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Having looked at this draft, I support adoption of -03 by the WG.
Yours,
Joel

On 8/28/14, 5:39 PM, Joe Clarke wrote:
> On 7/23/14, 1:26 PM, Joe Clarke wrote:
>>
>> 1. Closure on the YANG module question.
>> 2. Adoption of draft-clarke-i2rs-traceability as a WG item
>
> Based on feedback from the list, we published -03 with the removal of
> the YANG data model.  We feel that, based on feedback, this draft should
> be ready for adoption given the support from the list.
>
> Joe
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Hi,

the NETMOD WG is holding an interim meeting on Sep. 17/18 [1] and one
of the agenda items is to work on any requirements I2RS might have for
YANG 1.1. For this, we need a clear definition of what the I2RS
requirements are for YANG 1.1, ideally posted as an I-D a few days
before the interim meeting so that people can come prepared. This
means there are ~15 days left to produce such a requirements writeup.

/js

[1] https://www.ietf.org/meeting/interim/netmod-2014-09-17.txt

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Traceability is an important function for troubleshooting in SDN-based
routing systems.
By the operator's handling, logs are automatically generated from each
routing function block of a router.
But, the results of operations between clients and agents have to be
separately supported by the agent.
I agree that the agents collect log information instead of client to avoid
a high volume of messages generated towards the clients.

I support adoption of this document by the I2RS WG.

best regards,
Kwang-koog Lee (KT)


On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 6:39 AM, Joe Clarke <jclarke@cisco.com> wrote:

> On 7/23/14, 1:26 PM, Joe Clarke wrote:
>
>>
>> 1. Closure on the YANG module question.
>> 2. Adoption of draft-clarke-i2rs-traceability as a WG item
>>
>
> Based on feedback from the list, we published -03 with the removal of the
> YANG data model.  We feel that, based on feedback, this draft should be
> ready for adoption given the support from the list.
>
> Joe
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Traceability is=C2=A0an important function for troubl=
eshooting in SDN-based routing systems.</div><div>By the operator&#39;s han=
dling, logs are automatically generated=C2=A0from=C2=A0each routing functio=
n=C2=A0block=C2=A0of a router. </div>
<div>But, the results of operations between clients and agents have to be s=
eparately supported by the agent.=C2=A0</div><div>I agree that the agents c=
ollect log information instead of client to avoid a=C2=A0high volume of mes=
sages generated=C2=A0towards the clients.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div><div>I support adoption of this document by the I2RS WG.</=
div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>best regards,</div><div>Kwang-koog Lee (KT)</div>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri,=
 Aug 29, 2014 at 6:39 AM, Joe Clarke <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
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<br></div>
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Juergen,
     While I understand the request, I presume that such a request can 
not be met as a working group agreement in the time frame suggested. 
WHile I hope that some of the folks who have been involved in proposing 
the use of YANG for I2RS will write such a draft, I can not see how we 
could even get tot eh point of WG adoption of such a draft, much less WG 
rough consensus on the content, in the time frame you outline.
     Of course, I am not one of the chairs or ADs, but it seems pretty 
clear cut to me.

     Yours,
     Joel

On 8/29/14, 2:42 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote:
> Hi,
>
> the NETMOD WG is holding an interim meeting on Sep. 17/18 [1] and one
> of the agenda items is to work on any requirements I2RS might have for
> YANG 1.1. For this, we need a clear definition of what the I2RS
> requirements are for YANG 1.1, ideally posted as an I-D a few days
> before the interim meeting so that people can come prepared. This
> means there are ~15 days left to produce such a requirements writeup.
>
> /js
>
> [1] https://www.ietf.org/meeting/interim/netmod-2014-09-17.txt
>


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On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 09:58:57PM -0400, Joel M. Halpern wrote:
> Juergen,
>     While I understand the request, I presume that such a request can 
> not be met as a working group agreement in the time frame suggested. 
> WHile I hope that some of the folks who have been involved in proposing 
> the use of YANG for I2RS will write such a draft, I can not see how we 
> could even get tot eh point of WG adoption of such a draft, much less WG 
> rough consensus on the content, in the time frame you outline.
>     Of course, I am not one of the chairs or ADs, but it seems pretty 
> clear cut to me.

Joel,

all I need is reasonably agreed upon input. Note that this request for
input is not coming out of the blue, at least not for those I2RS folks
who have been at the NETMOD meeting in Toronto.

As NETMOD chair, I do have a target date to deliver YANG 1.1 and I
take that milestone serious. My motivation to delay this by N months
waiting for I2RS to get their input submitted is very small. I recall
that there were presentations about "what is missing" bach in London,
that is March 2014. The regular submission period for YANG 1.1 issues
was 2014-02-23 until 2014-05-07. The interim meeting is mid September.

/js

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