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2017=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=881=E6=97=A5(=E5=9C=9F) 8:24 M.Lizar@OCG <m.lizar@open=
consentgroup.com>:

> +1
>
> Appears useful and stable enough now to initiate the WGLC.
>
> - Mark
>
> On 30 Jun 2017, at 21:48, William Denniss <wdenniss@google.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you Mike. It's good to see the SET - ID Token issue resolved, and
> the other positive changes.
>
> It would be good to publish SET soon, so the working groups that will be
> profiling it can get going. With that in mind, should we initiate the WGL=
C?
>
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 1:40 PM, Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
>> A new version of the Security Event Token (SET) specification has been
>> published containing measures that prevent any possibility of confusion
>> between ID Tokens and SETs.  Preventing confusion between SETs, access
>> tokens, and other kinds of JWTs is also covered.  Changes were:
>>
>>    - Added the Requirements for SET Profiles section.
>>    - Expanded the Security Considerations section to describe how to
>>    prevent confusion of SETs with ID Tokens, access tokens, and other ki=
nds of
>>    JWTs.
>>    - Registered the application/secevent+jwt media type and defined how
>>    to use it for explicit typing of SETs.
>>    - Clarified the misleading statement that used to say that a SET
>>    conveys a single security event.
>>    - Added a note explicitly acknowledging that some SET profiles may
>>    choose to convey event subject information in the event payload.
>>    - Corrected an encoded claims set example.
>>    - Applied grammar corrections.
>>
>>
>>
>> This draft is intended to provide solutions to the issues that had been
>> discussed in IETF 98 in Chicago and subsequently on the working group
>> mailing list.  Thanks for all the great discussions that informed this
>> draft!
>>
>>
>>
>> The specification is available at:
>>
>>    - https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-secevent-token-02
>>
>>
>>
>> An HTML-formatted version is also available at:
>>
>>    - http://self-issued.info/docs/draft-ietf-secevent-token-02.html
>>
>>
>>
>>                                                                 -- Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> P.S.  This announcement was also posted at
>> http://self-issued.info/?p=3D1709 and as @selfissued
>> <https://twitter.com/selfissued>.
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">+1<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr=
">2017=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=881=E6=97=A5(=E5=9C=9F) 8:24 M.Lizar@OCG &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:m.lizar@openconsentgroup.com">m.lizar@openconsentgroup.com</a>&g=
t;:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-w=
ord"><div style=3D"margin:0px;line-height:normal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(=
0,32,96);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.666666984558105px">+1=
=C2=A0</span></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;line-height:normal"><span style=
=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.66666698=
4558105px"><br></span></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;line-height:normal"><f=
ont color=3D"#002060" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size=
:14.666666984558105px">Appears useful=C2=A0and stable enough now to=C2=A0in=
itiate the WGLC.</span></font></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;line-height:no=
rmal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font=
-size:14.666666984558105px"><br></span></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;line-=
height:normal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96);font-family:Calibri,sans-s=
erif;font-size:14.666666984558105px">- Mark</span></div></div><div style=3D=
"word-wrap:break-word"><div style=3D"margin:0px;line-height:normal"><span s=
tyle=3D"color:rgb(0,32,96);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6666=
66984558105px"><br></span></div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On 30 J=
un 2017, at 21:48, William Denniss &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wdenniss@google.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">wdenniss@google.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"m=
_-8096298454291403795Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Thank=
 you Mike. It&#39;s good to see the SET - ID Token issue resolved, and the =
other positive changes.<div><br></div><div>It would be good to publish SET =
soon, so the working groups that will be profiling it can get going. With t=
hat in mind, should we initiate the WGLC?</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_ex=
tra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 1:40 PM, Mike J=
ones <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">Michael.Jones@microsoft.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72">
<div class=3D"m_-8096298454291403795m_-3713878217464806824WordSection1"><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">A new version of the Security Event Token (SET) specifi=
cation has been published containing measures that prevent any possibility =
of confusion between ID Tokens and SETs.=C2=A0 Preventing confusion between=
 SETs, access tokens, and other kinds
 of JWTs is also covered.=C2=A0 Changes were:<u></u><u></u></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"m_-8096298454291403795m_-3713878217464806824MsoListParagraph" =
style=3D"margin-left:0in">Added the Requirements for SET Profiles section.<=
u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"m_-8096298454291403795m_-3713878217464806824=
MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in">Expanded the Security Considera=
tions section to describe how to prevent confusion of SETs with ID Tokens, =
access tokens, and other kinds of JWTs.<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"m_-8=
096298454291403795m_-3713878217464806824MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-l=
eft:0in">Registered the
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">application/secevent+jw=
t</span> media type and defined how to use it for explicit typing of SETs.<=
u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"m_-8096298454291403795m_-3713878217464806824=
MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in">Clarified the misleading statem=
ent that used to say that a SET conveys a single security event.<u></u><u><=
/u></li><li class=3D"m_-8096298454291403795m_-3713878217464806824MsoListPar=
agraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in">Added a note explicitly acknowledging tha=
t some SET profiles may choose to convey event subject information in the e=
vent payload.<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"m_-8096298454291403795m_-37138=
78217464806824MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in">Corrected an enco=
ded claims set example.<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"m_-80962984542914037=
95m_-3713878217464806824MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in">Applied=
 grammar corrections.<u></u><u></u></li></ul><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">This draft is intended to provide s=
olutions to the issues that had been discussed in IETF 98 in Chicago and su=
bsequently on the working group mailing list.=C2=A0 Thanks for all the grea=
t discussions that informed this draft!<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The specification is av=
ailable at:<u></u><u></u></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"m_-8096298454291403795m_-3713878217464806824MsoListParagraph" =
style=3D"margin-left:0in"><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf=
-secevent-token-02" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-iet=
f-secevent-token-02</a><u></u><u></u></li></ul><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></=
u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">An HTML-formatted version is also=
 available at:<u></u><u></u></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"m_-8096298454291403795m_-3713878217464806824MsoListParagraph" =
style=3D"margin-left:0in"><a href=3D"http://self-issued.info/docs/draft-iet=
f-secevent-token-02.html" target=3D"_blank">http://self-issued.info/docs/dr=
aft-ietf-secevent-token-02.html</a><span class=3D"m_-8096298454291403795HOE=
nZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></li></ul><span cl=
ass=3D"m_-8096298454291403795HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -- Mike<u></u>=
<u></u></p>
</font></span><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">P.S.=C2=A0 This announcement was also posted at <a href=3D"http://=
self-issued.info/?p=3D1709" target=3D"_blank">
http://self-issued.info/?p=3D1709</a> and as <a href=3D"https://twitter.com=
/selfissued" target=3D"_blank">
@selfissued</a>.<u></u><u></u></p>
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mailing list or even suspensions notifications, this is what is going on =
according to Matt Larson:

> Greetings all!
>=20
> Welcome to the exciting and interesting world of mailing lists in a =
DMARC
> environment :)
>=20
> Here is what is happening.
>=20
> A user with a Microsoft.com <http://microsoft.com/> address sent an =
email to the mailing list. The
> mailing list processor then forwarded the email to everyone on the =
list, using
> the sender's email address as the 'from' address.
>=20
> Gmail received the email from the IETF mail transport, with a =
Microsoft.com <http://microsoft.com/>
> from address, and so it checked Microsoft's published DMARC policy, =
and it
> discovered that the IETF servers are not authorized to send emails for =
the
> Microsoft.com <http://microsoft.com/> domain. This generated a bounce:
>=20
> <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com <mailto:yaronf.ietf@gmail.com>>: host =
gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com =
<http://gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com/>[173.194.175.27] said:
> 550-5.7.1 Unauthenticated email from microsoft.com =
<http://microsoft.com/> is not accepted due to
> 550-5.7.1 domain's DMARC policy. Please contact the administrator of =
550-5.7.1
> microsoft.com <http://microsoft.com/> domain if this was a legitimate =
mail. Please visit 550-5.7.1
<<snip>>
>=20
> The DMARC mailing list issue has been a topic of active discussion =
among the
> Technology Management Committee, and there is work in progress toward
> developing a solution. Unfortunately, until this work is completed and =
a
> solution deployed, mailing list users whose mail transports have =
strict DMARC
> policies will continue to experience difficulties. Matt
>=20

When your email provider is bouncing emails (for any ietf list), you =
start getting on the list of mis-behaving subscribers and eventually =
suspended from this list.

I did get a tip from John Bradley that seems to help fix the problem at =
least for Gmail and Google.com receivers:

>=20
> If it is a gmail account.
> =20
> Go to settings in the web interface.
> =20
> Find =E2=80=9CFilters and Blocked Addresses=E2=80=9D
> He needs to add filters for both the ietf and OIDF lists.
> =20
> Match on =E2=80=9CHas the words=E2=80=9D  list:"@ietf.org=E2=80=9D  or =
list:"@lists.openid.net=E2=80=9D
> =20
> For actions I have =E2=80=9CNever send to spam=E2=80=9D selected=20
> I also have categorize as =E2=80=9CForums=E2=80=9D  selected to make =
filtering the mailbox easier.  I can hide the list mail to cut clutter.
> =20
> It is not perfect but it works to override the DKIM failure in the =
spam processing.
> =20
> John B.

I went through the list of subscribers and reset anyone who was been =
suspended for bouncing. I=E2=80=99ve set the number of allowed bounces =
up from 5 to 20 so at least the suspensions will happen less often.

If you, or your colleague is suspended and can=E2=80=99t get back on, =
let me know and I can subscribe you manually.

Cheers,

Phil

Oracle Corporation, Identity Cloud Services Architect & Standards
@independentid
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<http://www.independentid.com/>phil.hunt@oracle.com =
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">If you have been getting bounce notification =
messages from the id-events mailing list or even suspensions =
notifications, this is what is going on according to Matt =
Larson:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">Greetings all!<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Welcome to the exciting and interesting world =
of mailing lists in a DMARC<br class=3D"">environment :)<br class=3D""><br=
 class=3D"">Here is what is happening.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">A =
user with a&nbsp;<a href=3D"http://Microsoft.com" =
class=3D"">Microsoft.com</a>&nbsp;address sent an email to the mailing =
list. The<br class=3D"">mailing list processor then forwarded the email =
to everyone on the list, using<br class=3D"">the sender's email address =
as the 'from' address.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Gmail received the =
email from the IETF mail transport, with a&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://Microsoft.com" class=3D"">Microsoft.com</a><br =
class=3D"">from address, and so it checked Microsoft's published DMARC =
policy, and it<br class=3D"">discovered that the IETF servers are not =
authorized to send emails for the<br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://Microsoft.com" class=3D"">Microsoft.com</a>&nbsp;domain. =
This generated a bounce:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:yaronf.ietf@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">yaronf.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;: host&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com" =
class=3D"">gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com</a>[173.194.175.27] said:<br =
class=3D"">550-5.7.1 Unauthenticated email from&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://microsoft.com" class=3D"">microsoft.com</a>&nbsp;is not =
accepted due to<br class=3D"">550-5.7.1 domain's DMARC policy. Please =
contact the administrator of 550-5.7.1<br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://microsoft.com" class=3D"">microsoft.com</a>&nbsp;domain =
if this was a legitimate mail. Please visit 550-5.7.1<br =
class=3D""></blockquote><div class=3D"">&lt;&lt;snip&gt;&gt;<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><br class=3D"">The =
DMARC mailing list issue has been a topic of active discussion among =
the<br class=3D"">Technology Management Committee, and there is work in =
progress toward<br class=3D"">developing a solution. Unfortunately, =
until this work is completed and a<br class=3D"">solution deployed, =
mailing list users whose mail transports have strict DMARC<br =
class=3D"">policies will continue to experience difficulties. =
Matt</blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></blockquote><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>When your email provider is bouncing =
emails (for any ietf list), you start getting on the list of =
mis-behaving subscribers and eventually suspended from this list.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I did get a tip from =
John Bradley that seems to help fix the problem at least for Gmail and =
<a href=3D"http://Google.com" class=3D"">Google.com</a> =
receivers:</div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite" class=3D""><br class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">If it is a gmail account.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Go to settings in the web =
interface.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Find =E2=80=9CFilters and Blocked Addresses=E2=80=9D<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">He needs =
to add filters for both the ietf and OIDF lists.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt =
0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Match on =E2=80=9CHas the words=E2=80=9D =
&nbsp;list:"@ietf.org=E2=80=9D =
&nbsp;or&nbsp;list:"@lists.openid.net=E2=80=9D<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt =
0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">For =
actions I have =E2=80=9CNever send to spam=E2=80=9D selected&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I also =
have categorize as =E2=80=9CForums=E2=80=9D &nbsp;selected to make =
filtering the mailbox easier. &nbsp;I can hide the list mail to cut =
clutter.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">It is not perfect but it works to override the DKIM failure =
in the spam processing.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">John B.</div></blockquote><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=3D"">I =
went through the list of subscribers and reset anyone who was been =
suspended for bouncing. I=E2=80=99ve set the number of allowed bounces =
up from 5 to 20 so at least the suspensions will happen less =
often.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">If you, =
or your colleague is suspended and can=E2=80=99t get back on, let me =
know and I can subscribe you manually.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Cheers,</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
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break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
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letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
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break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
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letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
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letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">Phil</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Oracle Corporation, Identity Cloud =
Services Architect &amp; Standards</div><div =
class=3D"">@independentid</div><div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://www.independentid.com" =
class=3D"">www.independentid.com</a></div></div></div></div></span><a =
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Cool, I don=E2=80=99t know the list started suspending people for =
bounces.

I just did it to stop posts from Brian Campbell from gong in the spam =
when Ping turned on DMARC then Microsoft.=20

My fix has the small side effect of turning off all spam processing on =
the filters lists.
Someone could probably come up with a more specific filter but just =
matching the list seemed to work for me.

John B.

> On Jul 1, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Phil Hunt <phil.hunt@oracle.com> wrote:
>=20
> If you have been getting bounce notification messages from the =
id-events mailing list or even suspensions notifications, this is what =
is going on according to Matt Larson:
>=20
>> Greetings all!
>>=20
>> Welcome to the exciting and interesting world of mailing lists in a =
DMARC
>> environment :)
>>=20
>> Here is what is happening.
>>=20
>> A user with a Microsoft.com <http://microsoft.com/> address sent an =
email to the mailing list. The
>> mailing list processor then forwarded the email to everyone on the =
list, using
>> the sender's email address as the 'from' address.
>>=20
>> Gmail received the email from the IETF mail transport, with a =
Microsoft.com <http://microsoft.com/>
>> from address, and so it checked Microsoft's published DMARC policy, =
and it
>> discovered that the IETF servers are not authorized to send emails =
for the
>> Microsoft.com <http://microsoft.com/> domain. This generated a =
bounce:
>>=20
>> <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com <mailto:yaronf.ietf@gmail.com>>: host =
gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com =
<http://gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com/>[173.194.175.27] said:
>> 550-5.7.1 Unauthenticated email from microsoft.com =
<http://microsoft.com/> is not accepted due to
>> 550-5.7.1 domain's DMARC policy. Please contact the administrator of =
550-5.7.1
>> microsoft.com <http://microsoft.com/> domain if this was a legitimate =
mail. Please visit 550-5.7.1
> <<snip>>
>>=20
>> The DMARC mailing list issue has been a topic of active discussion =
among the
>> Technology Management Committee, and there is work in progress toward
>> developing a solution. Unfortunately, until this work is completed =
and a
>> solution deployed, mailing list users whose mail transports have =
strict DMARC
>> policies will continue to experience difficulties. Matt
>>=20
>=20
> When your email provider is bouncing emails (for any ietf list), you =
start getting on the list of mis-behaving subscribers and eventually =
suspended from this list.
>=20
> I did get a tip from John Bradley that seems to help fix the problem =
at least for Gmail and Google.com <http://google.com/> receivers:
>=20
>>=20
>> If it is a gmail account.
>> =20
>> Go to settings in the web interface.
>> =20
>> Find =E2=80=9CFilters and Blocked Addresses=E2=80=9D
>> He needs to add filters for both the ietf and OIDF lists.
>> =20
>> Match on =E2=80=9CHas the words=E2=80=9D  list:"@ietf.org=E2=80=9D  =
or list:"@lists.openid.net=E2=80=9D
>> =20
>> For actions I have =E2=80=9CNever send to spam=E2=80=9D selected=20
>> I also have categorize as =E2=80=9CForums=E2=80=9D  selected to make =
filtering the mailbox easier.  I can hide the list mail to cut clutter.
>> =20
>> It is not perfect but it works to override the DKIM failure in the =
spam processing.
>> =20
>> John B.
>=20
> I went through the list of subscribers and reset anyone who was been =
suspended for bouncing. I=E2=80=99ve set the number of allowed bounces =
up from 5 to 20 so at least the suspensions will happen less often.
>=20
> If you, or your colleague is suspended and can=E2=80=99t get back on, =
let me know and I can subscribe you manually.
>=20
> Cheers,
>=20
> Phil
>=20
> Oracle Corporation, Identity Cloud Services Architect & Standards
> @independentid
> www.independentid.com =
<http://www.independentid.com/>phil.hunt@oracle.com =
<mailto:phil.hunt@oracle.com>
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Cool, I don=E2=80=99t know the list started suspending people =
for bounces.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I just =
did it to stop posts from Brian Campbell from gong in the spam when Ping =
turned on DMARC then Microsoft.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">My fix has the small side effect of =
turning off all spam processing on the filters lists.</div><div =
class=3D"">Someone could probably come up with a more specific filter =
but just matching the list seemed to work for me.</div><div class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">John B.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Jul 1, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Phil Hunt &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:phil.hunt@oracle.com" =
class=3D"">phil.hunt@oracle.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">If you have been getting bounce notification messages from =
the id-events mailing list or even suspensions notifications, this is =
what is going on according to Matt Larson:</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D"">Greetings all!<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Welcome to the =
exciting and interesting world of mailing lists in a DMARC<br =
class=3D"">environment :)<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Here is what is =
happening.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">A user with a&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://microsoft.com/" class=3D"">Microsoft.com</a>&nbsp;address =
sent an email to the mailing list. The<br class=3D"">mailing list =
processor then forwarded the email to everyone on the list, using<br =
class=3D"">the sender's email address as the 'from' address.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Gmail received the email from the IETF mail =
transport, with a&nbsp;<a href=3D"http://microsoft.com/" =
class=3D"">Microsoft.com</a><br class=3D"">from address, and so it =
checked Microsoft's published DMARC policy, and it<br =
class=3D"">discovered that the IETF servers are not authorized to send =
emails for the<br class=3D""><a href=3D"http://microsoft.com/" =
class=3D"">Microsoft.com</a>&nbsp;domain. This generated a bounce:<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yaronf.ietf@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">yaronf.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;: host&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com/" =
class=3D"">gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com</a>[173.194.175.27] said:<br =
class=3D"">550-5.7.1 Unauthenticated email from&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://microsoft.com/" class=3D"">microsoft.com</a>&nbsp;is not =
accepted due to<br class=3D"">550-5.7.1 domain's DMARC policy. Please =
contact the administrator of 550-5.7.1<br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://microsoft.com/" class=3D"">microsoft.com</a>&nbsp;domain =
if this was a legitimate mail. Please visit 550-5.7.1<br =
class=3D""></blockquote><div class=3D"">&lt;&lt;snip&gt;&gt;<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><br class=3D"">The =
DMARC mailing list issue has been a topic of active discussion among =
the<br class=3D"">Technology Management Committee, and there is work in =
progress toward<br class=3D"">developing a solution. Unfortunately, =
until this work is completed and a<br class=3D"">solution deployed, =
mailing list users whose mail transports have strict DMARC<br =
class=3D"">policies will continue to experience difficulties. =
Matt</blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></blockquote><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>When your email provider is bouncing =
emails (for any ietf list), you start getting on the list of =
mis-behaving subscribers and eventually suspended from this list.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I did get a tip from =
John Bradley that seems to help fix the problem at least for Gmail and =
<a href=3D"http://google.com/" class=3D"">Google.com</a> =
receivers:</div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite" class=3D""><br class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">If it is a gmail account.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Go to settings in the web =
interface.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Find =E2=80=9CFilters and Blocked Addresses=E2=80=9D<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">He needs =
to add filters for both the ietf and OIDF lists.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt =
0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Match on =E2=80=9CHas the words=E2=80=9D =
&nbsp;list:"@ietf.org=E2=80=9D =
&nbsp;or&nbsp;list:"@lists.openid.net=E2=80=9D<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt =
0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">For =
actions I have =E2=80=9CNever send to spam=E2=80=9D selected&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I also =
have categorize as =E2=80=9CForums=E2=80=9D &nbsp;selected to make =
filtering the mailbox easier. &nbsp;I can hide the list mail to cut =
clutter.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">It is not perfect but it works to override the DKIM failure =
in the spam processing.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">John B.</div></blockquote><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=3D"">I =
went through the list of subscribers and reset anyone who was been =
suspended for bouncing. I=E2=80=99ve set the number of allowed bounces =
up from 5 to 20 so at least the suspensions will happen less =
often.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">If you, =
or your colleague is suspended and can=E2=80=99t get back on, let me =
know and I can subscribe you manually.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Cheers,</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
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text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
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text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
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text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;" class=3D""><div class=3D""><span =
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style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">Phil</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Oracle Corporation, Identity Cloud =
Services Architect &amp; Standards</div><div =
class=3D"">@independentid</div><div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://www.independentid.com/" =
class=3D"">www.independentid.com</a></div></div></div></div></span><a =
href=3D"mailto:phil.hunt@oracle.com" class=3D"" style=3D"orphans: 2; =
widows: =
2;">phil.hunt@oracle.com</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></di=
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The new draft draft-hunt-secevent-delivery-00 replaces =
draft-hunt-secevent-distribution-01focusing exclusively on delivery of =
SETs.

The draft can be found at: =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hunt-secevent-delivery-00

While largely the same for HTTP =E2=80=9Cpush=E2=80=9D mode, the draft =
also includes support for HTTP =E2=80=9Cpolling=E2=80=9D as requested in =
the Chicago IETF meeting.=20

The draft does not include configuration and management features =
(control plane), which are now in discussion in a separate draft: =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-scurtescu-secevent-simple-control-plane-=
00 which has been proposed to the control plane proposed in: =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hunt-secevent-distribution-01

I would like to thank my co-authors Marius Scurtescu, Morteza Ansari, =
Tony Nadalin, and Annabelle Backman as well as Mike Jones and Craig =
McMurtry who took time out these past weeks to work on this draft. I =
believe this draft covers all of the collective use cases for SECEVENTs.

Thanks,

Phil

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Thanks Phil!

On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Phil Hunt <phil.hunt@oracle.com> wrote:

> The new draft draft-hunt-secevent-delivery-00 replaces
> draft-hunt-secevent-distribution-01focusing exclusively on delivery of
> SETs.
>
> The draft can be found at: https://tools.ietf.org/
> html/draft-hunt-secevent-delivery-00
>
> While largely the same for HTTP =E2=80=9Cpush=E2=80=9D mode, the draft al=
so includes
> support for HTTP =E2=80=9Cpolling=E2=80=9D as requested in the Chicago IE=
TF meeting.
>
> The draft does not include configuration and management features (control
> plane), which are now in discussion in a separate draft:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-scurtescu-secevent-
> simple-control-plane-00 which has been proposed to the control plane
> proposed in: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hunt-secevent-
> distribution-01
>
> I would like to thank my co-authors Marius Scurtescu, Morteza Ansari, Ton=
y
> Nadalin, and Annabelle Backman as well as Mike Jones and Craig McMurtry w=
ho
> took time out these past weeks to work on this draft. I believe this draf=
t
> covers all of the collective use cases for SECEVENTs.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Phil
>
> Oracle Corporation, Identity Cloud Services Architect & Standards
> @independentid
> www.independentid.com
> phil.hunt@oracle.com
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks Phil!</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Phil Hunt <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phil.hunt@oracle.com" target=3D"_blank">phil.hunt@=
oracle.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div sty=
le=3D"word-wrap:break-word">The new draft draft-hunt-secevent-delivery-<wbr=
>00 replaces draft-hunt-secevent-<wbr>distribution-01focusing exclusively o=
n delivery of SETs.<div><br></div><div>The draft can be found at:=C2=A0<a h=
ref=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hunt-secevent-delivery-00" target=
=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/<wbr>html/draft-hunt-secevent-<wbr>deliv=
ery-00</a><br><div><br></div><div>While largely the same for HTTP =E2=80=9C=
push=E2=80=9D mode, the draft also includes support for HTTP =E2=80=9Cpolli=
ng=E2=80=9D as requested in the Chicago IETF meeting.=C2=A0</div><div><br><=
/div><div>The draft does not include configuration and management features =
(control plane), which are now in discussion in a separate draft: <a href=
=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-scurtescu-secevent-simple-control-pla=
ne-00" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-scurtescu-s=
ecevent-<wbr>simple-control-plane-00</a> which has been proposed to the con=
trol plane proposed in:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-h=
unt-secevent-distribution-01" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/<wbr=
>html/draft-hunt-secevent-<wbr>distribution-01</a></div><div><div><br></div=
><div>I would like to thank my co-authors Marius Scurtescu, Morteza Ansari,=
 Tony Nadalin, and Annabelle Backman as well as Mike Jones and Craig McMurt=
ry who took time out these past weeks to work on this draft. I believe this=
 draft covers all of the collective use cases for SECEVENTs.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div><div>
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I would like to announce draft-hunt-secevents-usecases which includes =
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Firstly apologies as somehow the filename went out as =
draft-hunt-secevents-usecases rather than =
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There is a separate draft from Marius which which includes the RISC use =
cases which are also very important.

The relevant drafts can be found at:
* https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hunt-secevent-usecases-00
* https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-scurtescu-secevent-risc-use-cases-00

It would be good to have the OAuth2 token revocation and OpenID session =
control use cases added as well at some point.

Cheers,

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class=3D"">I would like to announce draft-hunt-secevents-usecases which =
includes the use cases for SCIM as part of SECEVENTS.<div class=3D""><br =
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Hi,

We just posted a draft agenda for our meeting in Prague. 
Authors/presenters, please send us your slides before the meeting, by 
Thursday, July 13.

The agenda is available here: 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/99/agenda/secevent/. Do let us know 
if any changes are needed.

We have multiple new documents - many thanks to the authors who worked 
hard to submit on time.



     Dick and Yaron


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Hi,

We have uploaded minutes of today's meeting: 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-99-secevent/00/. Thank you Leif 
for taking these minutes.

Please let us know if we need to fix anything.

Thanks,
     Yaron


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+1 for adoption

Apologies for missing the meeting. =46rom the minutes it seems like the grou=
p wants a common control plane. Would this remain a separate document?

Phil

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 7:42 AM, Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
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Sorry I can't make it.=20

The biggest difference between profiles that I observe is:
* how receiver/transmitter credentials and authorization relationships are s=
et up.=20
* how each defines the subjects that are part of feed. Scim uses multiple ap=
proaches(groups, roles, filters), risc uses subject enrollment and logout ba=
ses it on the idp to rp relationship.=20

The risc case is interesting. In addition to composite subjects (sub and iss=
) there are other forms. Eg email and telephone. Thus suggests enrollment ha=
s to express a subject type so the reader can know if it is a saml, connect,=
 email or telephone number. I believe this can be modeled a number of ways.=20=


I remain concerned that any new stream provisioning/control protocol will be=
 largely duplicative to the scim community. Yet I do understand that some fe=
el that implementing scim is too much. I think you have to look at the enrol=
lment and subject features risc needs to make that call.=20

Phil

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 8:02 AM, Richard Backman, Annabelle <richanna@amazon.c=
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> Hi all,
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> We have reserved a room Wednesday morning to continue discussing the Event=
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> When: Wednesday, 10:00 AM to 12:00 PM
> Where: IETF, Istanbul room
> Who: Marius, myself, and hopefully a few more of you :)
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> For those of you who haven=E2=80=99t seen it yet: https://datatracker.ietf=
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> The general consensus in this morning=E2=80=99s meeting was that people be=
lieved this work belonged in the secevents WG, but that the current draft is=
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hat was missing from or needed improvement in the draft. If you have comment=
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iv id=3D"AppleMailSignature">The risc case is interesting. In addition to co=
mposite subjects (sub and iss) there are other forms. Eg email and telephone=
. Thus suggests enrollment has to express a subject type so the reader can k=
now if it is a saml, connect, email or telephone number. I believe this can b=
e modeled a number of ways.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></=
div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">I remain concerned that any new stream pr=
ovisioning/control protocol will be largely duplicative to the scim communit=
y. Yet I do understand that some feel that implementing scim is too much. I t=
hink you have to look at the enrollment and subject features risc needs to m=
ake that call.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br>Phil</div><div>=
<br>On Jul 18, 2017, at 8:02 AM, Richard Backman, Annabelle &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:richanna@amazon.com">richanna@amazon.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></=
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pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">We have reserved a r=
oom Wednesday morning to continue discussing the Event Stream Management API=
 draft, please join us!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">When: Wednesday, 10:=
00 AM to 12:00 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Where: IETF, Istanbu=
l room<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Who: Marius, myself,=
 and hopefully a few more of you :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">For those of you who=
 haven=E2=80=99t seen it yet:
<a href=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracke=
r.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dscurtescu-2Dsecevent-2Dsimple-2Dcontrol-2Dplane_&amp;=
d=3DDwMGaQ&amp;c=3DRoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&amp;r=3DJBm5b=
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-scurtescu-secevent-simple-control-pla=
ne/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">The general consensu=
s in this morning=E2=80=99s meeting was that people believed this work belon=
ged in the secevents WG, but that the current draft is not ready for adoptio=
n. However, there was not a lot of direct
 feedback on what was missing from or needed improvement in the draft. If yo=
u have comments or questions that weren=E2=80=99t covered in today=E2=80=99s=
 discussion (minutes are
<a href=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracke=
r.ietf.org_doc_minutes-2D99-2Dsecevent_&amp;d=3DDwMGaQ&amp;c=3DRoP1YumCXCgaW=
HvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&amp;r=3DJBm5biRrKugCH0FkITSeGJxPEivzjWwlNKe4C=
_lLIGk&amp;m=3DI3pSqZ6QF-0Yovvitc4QgWcAAVa9Sxr0SndEaTeL4XU&amp;s=3DklhYkKmRr=
a4WIo1Ch0LFguIhn86JQ3sJ7Q4zUN5Fz5o&amp;e=3D">here</a>), please join us tomor=
row morning or raise them on the list =E2=80=93 or just stop me in the hallw=
ay. I=E2=80=99ll be working in the Hilton atrium most of Wednesday afternoon=
, feel free to interrupt me.
 :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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There was general interest in seeing the work continue, but we did not disc=
uss whether a "common control plane" should be MTI for SET transmitters. I =
could see SCIM events using SCIM, and some subset of other profiles using a=
 common "barebones" API.

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Annabelle Richard Backman
Identity Services

On Jul 18, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Phil Hunt (IDM) <phil.hunt@oracle.com<mailto:p=
hil.hunt@oracle.com>> wrote:

+1 for adoption

Apologies for missing the meeting. From the minutes it seems like the group=
 wants a common control plane. Would this remain a separate document?

Phil

On Jul 18, 2017, at 7:42 AM, Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com<mailto:ya=
ronf.ietf@gmail.com>> wrote:

We had a hum today and decided to adopt draft-hunt-secevent-delivery-00 as =
a WG document. Such decisions need to be validated on the list. If you did =
not attend the session in person and you'd like to support or oppose this d=
ecision, please speak up now.

Thanks,
   Dick and Yaron


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<div>There was general interest in seeing the work continue, but we did not=
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rofiles using a common &quot;barebones&quot; API.<br>
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<span>Apologies for missing the meeting. From the minutes it seems like the=
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<span>Phil</span><br>
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 please speak up now.</span><br>
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It seems like the trade-off is a single api that can do everything is seen a=
s big to implement. =20

Yet multiple api's with different compatibilities and features has it's own c=
hallenges.=20

My belief is that we can profile 'down' in specific areas but still allow fl=
exibility for one config api to cover all cases. A single config api is a ke=
y simplification for any planning on multi-event-type security systems.=20

Phil

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> There was general interest in seeing the work continue, but we did not dis=
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> On Jul 18, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Phil Hunt (IDM) <phil.hunt@oracle.com> wrote:=

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>> +1 for adoption
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>> Apologies for missing the meeting. =46rom the minutes it seems like the g=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>It seems like the trade-off is a single api that can do everything is seen as big to implement. &nbsp;</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Yet multiple api's with different compatibilities and features has it's own challenges.&nbsp;</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">My belief is that we can profile 'down' in specific areas but still allow flexibility for one config api to cover all cases. A single config api is a key simplification for any planning on multi-event-type security systems.&nbsp;</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br>Phil</div><div><br>On Jul 18, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Richard Backman, Annabelle &lt;<a href="mailto:richanna@amazon.com">richanna@amazon.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>




<div>There was general interest in seeing the work continue, but we did not discuss whether a "common control plane" should be MTI for SET transmitters. I could see SCIM events using SCIM, and some subset of other profiles using a common "barebones" API.<br>
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<span>Apologies for missing the meeting. From the minutes it seems like the group wants a common control plane. Would this remain a separate document?</span><br>
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<span>Phil</span><br>
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Hi Phil,

The verification event is defined in the delivery draft while the api to
trigger it is defined in the control plane draft. Since it is not directly
related to delivery we are thinking that it would make sense to move the
definition to the control plane draft next to the corresponding api.

Does that make sense to you?

Both drafts are attached for reference.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Phil,<div><br></div><div>The verification event is defi=
ned in the delivery draft while the api to trigger it is defined in the con=
trol plane draft. Since it is not directly related to delivery we are think=
ing that it would make sense to move the definition to the control plane dr=
aft next to the corresponding api.</div><div><br></div><div>Does that make =
sense to you?</div><div><br></div><div>Both drafts are attached for referen=
ce.</div><div><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature">Marius<=
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> The verification event is defined in the delivery draft while the api to
> trigger it is defined in the control plane draft. Since it is not directly
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ontrol plane draft. Since it is not directly related to delivery we are thi=
nking that it would make sense to move the definition to the control plane =
draft next to the corresponding api.</div><div><br></div><div>Does that mak=
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Yes I think we discussed this on one of the author calls. I recall that =
we had planned to move it once there was a control plane draft.

As background for others on the list:

In the original distribution draft, verify was transmitter initiated. We =
had to change to receiver initiated due to the polling profile.  The =
original draft required the receiver to acknowledge with the parsed =
confirmation value.  This doesn=E2=80=99t work so well in polling mode. =
We realized that verify is much simpler overall if we change to receiver =
initiated.

We now suggest the receiver requests a verify through control plane and =
gets confirmation back. It=E2=80=99s up to the receiver to raise an =
alarm (I assume through administrative channels) when a verify is not =
received when and as expected.  Note:  the receiver and transmitter =
could also agree to exchange a verify if no new events have occurred in =
a period of time in order to let operations centres know the delivery =
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> The verification event is defined in the delivery draft while the api =
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Marius Scurtescu &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mscurtescu@google.com" =
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verification event is defined in the delivery draft while the api to =
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We are meeting again today, Thursday, from 2 to 4 pm in the same room.

Marius

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 5:39 PM, Phil Hunt (IDM) <phil.hunt@oracle.com>
wrote:

> Sorry I can't make it.
>
> The biggest difference between profiles that I observe is:
> * how receiver/transmitter credentials and authorization relationships ar=
e
> set up.
> * how each defines the subjects that are part of feed. Scim uses multiple
> approaches(groups, roles, filters), risc uses subject enrollment and logo=
ut
> bases it on the idp to rp relationship.
>
> The risc case is interesting. In addition to composite subjects (sub and
> iss) there are other forms. Eg email and telephone. Thus suggests
> enrollment has to express a subject type so the reader can know if it is =
a
> saml, connect, email or telephone number. I believe this can be modeled a
> number of ways.
>
> I remain concerned that any new stream provisioning/control protocol will
> be largely duplicative to the scim community. Yet I do understand that so=
me
> feel that implementing scim is too much. I think you have to look at the
> enrollment and subject features risc needs to make that call.
>
> Phil
>
> On Jul 18, 2017, at 8:02 AM, Richard Backman, Annabelle <
> richanna@amazon.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> We have reserved a room Wednesday morning to continue discussing the Even=
t
> Stream Management API draft, please join us!
>
>
>
> When: Wednesday, 10:00 AM to 12:00 PM
>
> Where: IETF, Istanbul room
>
> Who: Marius, myself, and hopefully a few more of you :)
>
>
>
> For those of you who haven=E2=80=99t seen it yet: https://datatracker.iet=
f.org/
> doc/draft-scurtescu-secevent-simple-control-plane/
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf.=
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>
>
> The general consensus in this morning=E2=80=99s meeting was that people b=
elieved
> this work belonged in the secevents WG, but that the current draft is not
> ready for adoption. However, there was not a lot of direct feedback on wh=
at
> was missing from or needed improvement in the draft. If you have comments
> or questions that weren=E2=80=99t covered in today=E2=80=99s discussion (=
minutes are here
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf.=
org_doc_minutes-2D99-2Dsecevent_&d=3DDwMGaQ&c=3DRoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKC=
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> please join us tomorrow morning or raise them on the list =E2=80=93 or ju=
st stop me
> in the hallway. I=E2=80=99ll be working in the Hilton atrium most of Wedn=
esday
> afternoon, feel free to interrupt me. :)
>
>
>
> --
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<div dir=3D"ltr">We are meeting again today, Thursday, from 2 to 4 pm in th=
e same room.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">Marius</div></di=
v>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 5:39 PM, Phil Hunt (=
IDM) <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phil.hunt@oracle.com" target=
=3D"_blank">phil.hunt@oracle.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>Sorry I can&#39;t make it.=C2=A0</div>=
<div id=3D"m_-7301837650529087466AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D"m=
_-7301837650529087466AppleMailSignature">The biggest difference between pro=
files that I observe is:</div><div id=3D"m_-7301837650529087466AppleMailSig=
nature">* how receiver/transmitter credentials and authorization relationsh=
ips are set up.=C2=A0</div><div id=3D"m_-7301837650529087466AppleMailSignat=
ure">* how each defines the subjects that are part of feed. Scim uses multi=
ple approaches(groups, roles, filters), risc uses subject enrollment and lo=
gout bases it on the idp to rp relationship.=C2=A0</div><div id=3D"m_-73018=
37650529087466AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D"m_-73018376505290874=
66AppleMailSignature">The risc case is interesting. In addition to composit=
e subjects (sub and iss) there are other forms. Eg email and telephone. Thu=
s suggests enrollment has to express a subject type so the reader can know =
if it is a saml, connect, email or telephone number. I believe this can be =
modeled a number of ways.=C2=A0</div><div id=3D"m_-7301837650529087466Apple=
MailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D"m_-7301837650529087466AppleMailSignatur=
e">I remain concerned that any new stream provisioning/control protocol wil=
l be largely duplicative to the scim community. Yet I do understand that so=
me feel that implementing scim is too much. I think you have to look at the=
 enrollment and subject features risc needs to make that call.=C2=A0</div><=
div id=3D"m_-7301837650529087466AppleMailSignature"><br>Phil</div><div><div=
 class=3D"h5"><div><br>On Jul 18, 2017, at 8:02 AM, Richard Backman, Annabe=
lle &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richanna@amazon.com" target=3D"_blank">richanna@a=
mazon.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>









<div class=3D"m_-7301837650529087466WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Hi all,<u></u><u></=
u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">We have reserved a =
room Wednesday morning to continue discussing the Event Stream Management A=
PI draft, please join us!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">When: Wednesday, 10=
:00 AM to 12:00 PM<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Where: IETF, Istanb=
ul room<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Who: Marius, myself=
, and hopefully a few more of you :)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">For those of you wh=
o haven=E2=80=99t seen it yet:
<a href=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatrack=
er.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dscurtescu-2Dsecevent-2Dsimple-2Dcontrol-2Dplane_&am=
p;d=3DDwMGaQ&amp;c=3DRoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&amp;r=3DJB=
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e=3D" target=3D"_blank">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/<wbr>doc/draft-scurtescu-secevent-<wbr>simple-=
control-plane/</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">The general consens=
us in this morning=E2=80=99s meeting was that people believed this work bel=
onged in the secevents WG, but that the current draft is not ready for adop=
tion. However, there was not a lot of direct
 feedback on what was missing from or needed improvement in the draft. If y=
ou have comments or questions that weren=E2=80=99t covered in today=E2=80=
=99s discussion (minutes are
<a href=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatrack=
er.ietf.org_doc_minutes-2D99-2Dsecevent_&amp;d=3DDwMGaQ&amp;c=3DRoP1YumCXCg=
aWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&amp;r=3DJBm5biRrKugCH0FkITSeGJxPEivzjWwlNK=
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KmRra4WIo1Ch0LFguIhn86JQ3sJ7Q4zUN5Fz5o&amp;e=3D" target=3D"_blank">here</a>=
), please join us tomorrow morning or raise them on the list =E2=80=93 or j=
ust stop me in the hallway. I=E2=80=99ll be working in the Hilton atrium mo=
st of Wednesday afternoon, feel free to interrupt me.
 :)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">--<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Security Events WG of the IETF.

        Title           : SET Token Delivery Using HTTP
        Authors         : Phil Hunt
                          Marius Scurtescu
                          Morteza Ansari
                          Anthony Nadalin
                          Annabelle Richard Backman
	Filename        : draft-ietf-secevent-delivery-00.txt
	Pages           : 28
	Date            : 2017-07-28

Abstract:
   This specification defines how a series of security event tokens
   (SETs) may be delivered to a previously registered receiver using
   HTTP POST over TLS initiated as a push to the receiver, or as a poll
   by the receiver.  The specification also defines how delivery can be
   assured subject to the SET Token Receiver's need for assurance.


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As requested by Yaron, I have posted the delivery draft unchanged as the =
WG draft.

Marius made a suggestion that as per discussion in Prague that the =
Verify Event be removed from the Delivery draft and potentially placed =
in an upcoming control plane draft (to be proposed).

After some thinking, I propose the Verify Event be placed into the SET =
Token draft. It would actually be a good thing to have at least one =
=E2=80=9Cnormative=E2=80=9D event defined in SET Token.=20

If the group is agreeable, I am happy to propose some modified Verify =
Event definition text to move into the SET Token spec.  Note: SET Token =
is or is about to be WGLC.  Chairs: Can we consider this?

I would suggest we only move Verify to Control Plane if there is a =
specific reason (eg. distinct or separate use cases that may be specific =
to some profiles) why it is better suited there.

If there is no objection, I will:
* Remove the Verify Event from the Delivery Spec on its next regular =
update
* Update SET Token Spec with Verify Event, subject to guidance in =
regards to WGLC.

Phil

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>        Authors         : Phil Hunt
>                          Marius Scurtescu
>                          Morteza Ansari
>                          Anthony Nadalin
>                          Annabelle Richard Backman
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-secevent-delivery-00.txt
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> 	Date            : 2017-07-28
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Hi Phil,

 From a procedural point of view (not taking any stand on whether this 
is a good change or not), the SET draft is absolutely open to changes. 
At most, we might decide that there've been too many changes and will 
call for a second WGLC at some point. Not a big deal.

Thanks,
	Yaron

On 31/07/17 19:20, Phil Hunt wrote:
> As requested by Yaron, I have posted the delivery draft unchanged as the 
> WG draft.
> 
> Marius made a suggestion that as per discussion in Prague that the 
> Verify Event be removed from the Delivery draft and potentially placed 
> in an upcoming control plane draft (to be proposed).
> 
> After some thinking, I propose the Verify Event be placed into the SET 
> Token draft. It would actually be a good thing to have at least one 
> “normative” event defined in SET Token.
> 
> If the group is agreeable, I am happy to propose some modified Verify 
> Event definition text to move into the SET Token spec.  Note: SET Token 
> is or is about to be WGLC.  Chairs: Can we consider this?
> 
> I would suggest we only move Verify to Control Plane if there is a 
> specific reason (eg. distinct or separate use cases that may be specific 
> to some profiles) why it is better suited there.
> 
> If there is no objection, I will:
> * Remove the Verify Event from the Delivery Spec on its next regular update
> * Update SET Token Spec with Verify Event, subject to guidance in 
> regards to WGLC.
> 
> Phil
> 
> Oracle Corporation, Identity Cloud Services Architect & Standards
> @independentid
> www.independentid.com <http://www.independentid.com>
> phil.hunt@oracle.com <mailto:phil.hunt@oracle.com>
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2017, at 10:19 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org 
>> <mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts 
>> directories.
>> This draft is a work item of the Security Events WG of the IETF.
>>
>>        Title           : SET Token Delivery Using HTTP
>>        Authors         : Phil Hunt
>>                          Marius Scurtescu
>>                          Morteza Ansari
>>                          Anthony Nadalin
>>                          Annabelle Richard Backman
>> Filename        : draft-ietf-secevent-delivery-00.txt
>> Pages           : 28
>> Date            : 2017-07-28
>>
>> Abstract:
>>   This specification defines how a series of security event tokens
>>   (SETs) may be delivered to a previously registered receiver using
>>   HTTP POST over TLS initiated as a push to the receiver, or as a poll
>>   by the receiver.  The specification also defines how delivery can be
>>   assured subject to the SET Token Receiver's need for assurance.
>>
>>
>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dsecevent-2Ddelivery_&d=DwICAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=JBm5biRrKugCH0FkITSeGJxPEivzjWwlNKe4C_lLIGk&m=-776NP5LxWSJp_f1PMNn10AECHMGYqhgPsPTqXr4srE&s=pc0m7nhCLHj3Mab6Ppgz8m3HF_kwzH4EKFO6jtzNYfE&e= 
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I believe this is ready for publication as-is.

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> On Jul 31, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com> =
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> This is to announce working group last call on this draft =
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I believe this document is ready for publication as-is.

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:15 PM, John Bradley <ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com> wrote:

> I believe this is ready for publication as-is.
>
> John B.
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> On Jul 31, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is to announce working group last call on this draft (
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-token/).
>
> Please send your comments to the list. Even if you are perfectly happy
> with the draft, please let us know that you support its publication as-is
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> Aug. 21.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I believe this document is ready for publication as-is.</d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 31=
, 2017 at 4:15 PM, John Bradley <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ve7=
jtb@ve7jtb.com" target=3D"_blank">ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<b=
r><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">I beli=
eve this is ready for publication as-is.<div><br></div><div>John B.<br><div=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div>On Jul 31, 2017, at =
4:40 PM, Yaron Sheffer &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yaronf.ietf@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">yaronf.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"m_444732=
0800473837354Apple-interchange-newline"></div></div><div><div><div class=3D=
"h5"><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;=
font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-alig=
n:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing=
:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline!important"=
>This is to announce working group last call on this draft (</span><a class=
=3D"m_4447320800473837354moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://datatracker=
.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-secevent-token/" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;fo=
nt-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;=
letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;=
white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/<wbr>doc/draft-ietf-secevent-tok=
en/</a><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:norma=
l;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-al=
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t"><wbr>).</span><br style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-sty=
le:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal=
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rd-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br style=3D"font-family:=
Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-we=
ight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-tra=
nsform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,25=
5,255)"><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:norm=
al;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-a=
lign:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spac=
ing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline!importa=
nt">Please send your comments to the list. Even if you are perfectly happy =
with the draft, please let us know that you support its publication as-is b=
y posting to the list.</span><br style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:1=
2px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-sp=
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rmal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:=
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t-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:n=
ormal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:norm=
al;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:in=
line!important">Because of the summer holidays, this last call is open for =
3 weeks, until Aug. 21.</span><br style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:=
12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-s=
pacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-sp=
ace:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br style=3D=
"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:n=
ormal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent=
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mal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:i=
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=A0 Dick and Yaron</span><br style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;=
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+1 on existing text.

Reminder of group discussion on where Verify Event should go which would =
be a new optional section.  See Mike=E2=80=99s comments (recommending =
against) on the other thread.

Phil

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>> This is to announce working group last call on this draft =
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class=3D"">On Jul 31, 2017, at 5:39 PM, William Denniss &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:wdenniss@google.com" class=3D"">wdenniss@google.com</a>&gt;=
 wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">I believe this document is ready for publication =
as-is.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:15 PM, John Bradley =
<span dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br =
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" class=3D"">I believe this is ready for =
publication as-is.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">John B.<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
 class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"">On Jul 31, =
2017, at 4:40 PM, Yaron Sheffer &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:yaronf.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">yaronf.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
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class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"h5"><span =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
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class=3D"">This is to announce working group last call on this draft =
(</span><a class=3D"m_4447320800473837354moz-txt-link-freetext" =
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style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
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kground-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;t=
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style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;t=
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kground-color:rgb(255,255,255)" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
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ext-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;bac=
kground-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline!important" =
class=3D"">Because of the summer holidays, this last call is open for 3 =
weeks, until Aug. 21.</span><br =
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