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From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Fri Mar 10 09:21:06 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id JAA28579 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:28:42 +0000 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:28:38 +0000 Received: from odin.ietf.org by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:29:12 +0000 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA28944; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:29:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003101129.GAA28944@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce:; Cc: idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-idmr-msf-api-00.txt Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:29:10 -0500 Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Multicast Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : Socket Interface Extensions for Multicast Source Filters Author(s) : D. Thaler, B. Fenner, B. Quinn Filename : draft-ietf-idmr-msf-api-00.txt Pages : 11 Date : 09-Mar-00 IGMPv3 for IPv4 adds the capability for applications to express source filters on multicast group memberships, which allows receiver applications to determine the set of senders (sources) from which to accept multicast traffic. This capability also simplifies support of one-to-many type multicast applications. It is expected that in the future, the same capability will be available in IPv6 as well. This document specifies new socket options and ioctl commands to manage source filters for IP Multicast group memberships. It also defines the socket structures to provide input and output arguments to these new APIs. These extensions are designed to provide access to the source filtering features, while introducing a minimum of change into the system and providing complete compatibility for existing multicast applications. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idmr-msf-api-00.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-idmr-msf-api-00.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idmr-msf-api-00.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000309140216.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idmr-msf-api-00.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-idmr-msf-api-00.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000309140216.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Fri Mar 10 12:17:04 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id MAA26200 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:17:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:37:30 +0000 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:37:25 +0000 Received: from sophia.inria.fr by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:38:00 +0000 Received: from sophia.inria.fr by sophia.inria.fr (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09974 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:37:59 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: sophia.inria.fr: Host ra.inria.fr [138.96.32.72] claimed to be sophia.inria.fr Message-ID: <38C907E8.86267410@sophia.inria.fr> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:34:16 +0100 From: Fethi Filali Organization: INRIA Sophia-Antipolis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9-19mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Subject: C-RPs and C-BSRs Priorities Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi, How priority value is computed for a candidate-BSR and how priority value is computed for a candidate-RP when it sends a Candidate-RP-Advertisement to the BSR. Are these priorities should be equal to the DR-priorities or there is another policy used. Fethi. From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Tue Mar 14 14:05:44 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id OAA23671 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:38:20 +0000 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:38:16 +0000 Received: from H-135-207-30-103.research.att.com by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:38:49 +0000 Received: from alliance.research.att.com (alliance.research.att.com [135.207.26.26]) by mail-green.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F3D1E003 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from windsor.research.att.com (windsor.research.att.com [135.207.26.46]) by alliance.research.att.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA17788 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:38:46 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fenner Received: (from fenner@localhost) by windsor.research.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.5) id IAA09255; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:38:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003141638.IAA09255@windsor.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Subject: 47th IETF: IDMR agenda items Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:38:07 -0800 Versions: dmail (solaris) 2.2g/makemail 2.9a Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk IDMR WG, We currently have the following agenda items for IDMR: - Document Status (Bill Fenner, 5 minutes) - mtrace document update (Bill Fenner, 5 minutes) draft-ietf-idmr-traceroute-ipm-06.{txt,ps} - IGMPv3 spec update draft-ietf-idmr-igmp-v3-02.txt An updated spec missed the I-D deadline. The authors might post something to the IDMR list for discussion before the IETF. - Multicast Source Filtering API draft-ietf-idmr-msf-api-00.txt - Single-source multicast groups and their relation to IGMPv3 draft-holbrook-ssm-00.txt Please send me any other requests, although we're getting kinda short on time. Thanks, Bill From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Tue Mar 14 16:49:38 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id QAA28789 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:01:38 +0000 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:01:33 +0000 Received: from H-135-207-30-103.research.att.com by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:02:08 +0000 Received: from alliance.research.att.com (alliance.research.att.com [135.207.26.26]) by mail-green.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774131E005 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:02:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from windsor.research.att.com (windsor.research.att.com [135.207.26.46]) by alliance.research.att.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA02204 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:02:02 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fenner Received: (from fenner@localhost) by windsor.research.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.5) id MAA11131; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:01:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003142001.MAA11131@windsor.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Subject: I-D ACTION: draft-holbrook-ssm-00.txt Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:01:25 -0800 Versions: dmail (solaris) 2.2g/makemail 2.9a Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just to raise awareness about this relevant draft (particularly Appendix I): A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Source-Specific Multicast for IP Author(s) : H. Holbrook, B. Cain Filename : draft-holbrook-ssm-00.txt Pages : 18 Date : 13-Mar-00 IP addresses in the 232/8 (232.0.0.0 to 232.255.255.255) range are designated as source-specific multicast (SSM) destination addresses and are reserved for use by source-specific applications and protocols [IANA-ALLOCATION]. This document defines the semantics of source- specific multicast addresses and specifies the policies governing their use. It defines an extension to the Internet network service that applies to datagrams sent to SSM addresses and defines the host extensions to support this service. Appendix I of this document describes changes to the Internet Group Management Protocol Version 3 (IGMPv3) [IGMPv3] to support source- specific multicast. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-holbrook-ssm-00.txt From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Thu Mar 16 17:08:39 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id RAA11513 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:08:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:02:47 +0000 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:02:44 +0000 Received: from net090s.hetnet.nl by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:03:20 +0000 Received: from pecan ([128.32.201.156]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.387.38); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:56:41 +0100 Message-ID: <001001bf8f81$8736ec60$9cc92080@icsi.berkeley.edu> From: Wilbert de Graaf To: idmr References: <200003142001.MAA11131@windsor.research.att.com> Subject: SSM: about joining multiple group addresses on a single socket Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:55:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hugh, Brad, I'm in doubt about 4.1, the remark about recvfrom(). I'm trying to think why you would want to join a single socket to multiple group addresses. The only reason to perform successive joins on a single socket for me has been to join multiple interfaces, but not group addresses. I just wonder if it is really necessary to perform demultiplexing on a socket in an application using destination addresses. Could somebody tell me about applications that need this, or refer to an archived discussion about this ? The first sentence in chapter 8, paragraph 2, ends with "even for an SSM destination address G". I think you can strip that part since in the beginning of the line you already narrowed down to SSM datagrams. And the only SSM datagrams that come into another domain carry an SSM destination address right ? Regards, Wilbert From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Thu Mar 16 20:17:28 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id UAA23475 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:17:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:18:44 +0000 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:18:41 +0000 Received: from gate.webfountain.com by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:19:12 +0000 Received: by pacific.intranet with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:13:50 -0800 Message-ID: <619F2FB3840CD311AC2C0090273BF1AC152280@pacific.intranet> From: Mike Luby To: "'Wilbert de Graaf'" , "'idmr'" Cc: Mike Luby , "Hugh Holbrook (E-mail)" Subject: RE: about joining multiple group addresses on a single socket Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:13:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Wilbert, With our technology (see the Asynchronous Layered Coding protocol instantiation draft in the RMT working group submitted to this IETF) we do join multiple groups to receive information that is relevant to one particular application. This has turned out to be more efficient and useful in Windows than using a separate socket for each group. The idea is that all the packets from multiple groups are aggregated into a single decoder to recover a single object (object = generic file, video clip, word document ...). Thus, we do find it useful. Mike Luby -----Original Message----- From: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk [mailto:owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk]On Behalf Of Wilbert de Graaf Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 11:55 AM To: idmr Subject: SSM: about joining multiple group addresses on a single socket Hugh, Brad, I'm in doubt about 4.1, the remark about recvfrom(). I'm trying to think why you would want to join a single socket to multiple group addresses. The only reason to perform successive joins on a single socket for me has been to join multiple interfaces, but not group addresses. I just wonder if it is really necessary to perform demultiplexing on a socket in an application using destination addresses. Could somebody tell me about applications that need this, or refer to an archived discussion about this ? The first sentence in chapter 8, paragraph 2, ends with "even for an SSM destination address G". I think you can strip that part since in the beginning of the line you already narrowed down to SSM datagrams. And the only SSM datagrams that come into another domain carry an SSM destination address right ? Regards, Wilbert From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Fri Mar 17 00:30:24 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id AAA05226 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:30:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 03:38:11 +0000 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 03:38:07 +0000 Received: from sj-mailhub-3.cisco.com by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 03:38:43 +0000 Received: from Tnt.Cisco.COM (dhcp-10-34-3-82.cisco.com [10.34.3.82]) by sj-mailhub-3.cisco.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA18517 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:04:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28498 invoked by uid 1563); 17 Mar 2000 03:35:33 -0000 From: Hugh Holbrook MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14545.43012.999019.866752@Tnt.Cisco.COM> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:35:32 -0800 (PST) To: Mike Luby Cc: "'Wilbert de Graaf'" , "'idmr'" , "Hugh Holbrook (E-mail)" Subject: RE: about joining multiple group addresses on a single socket In-Reply-To: <619F2FB3840CD311AC2C0090273BF1AC152280@pacific.intranet> References: <619F2FB3840CD311AC2C0090273BF1AC152280@pacific.intranet> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under 21.0 "20 minutes to Nikko" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: holbrook@cisco.com Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wilbert, My understanding is that at least one of the streaming media players receives multiple data streams on a single socket. So I don't think the ability to receive multiple channels (or groups) on a single socket is useless. I'd agree that it is not strictly necessary, but it appears to be convenient for some application writers (like Mike). > The first sentence in chapter 8, paragraph 2, ends with "even for an SSM > destination address G". I think you can strip that part since in the > beginning of the line you already narrowed down to SSM datagrams. And the > only SSM datagrams that come into another domain carry an SSM destination > address right ? Thanks; you're right. A result of a last-minute rephrasing of this paragraph. I struck the clause. -Hugh Mike Luby writes: > Wilbert, > With our technology (see the Asynchronous Layered Coding protocol > instantiation draft in the RMT working group submitted to this IETF) we do > join multiple groups to receive information that is relevant to one > particular application. This has turned out to be more efficient and useful > in Windows than using a separate socket for each group. The idea is that > all the packets from multiple groups are aggregated into a single decoder to > recover a single object (object = generic file, video clip, word document > ...). Thus, we do find it useful. > Mike Luby > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk [mailto:owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk]On Behalf > Of Wilbert de Graaf > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 11:55 AM > To: idmr > Subject: SSM: about joining multiple group addresses on a single socket > > > Hugh, Brad, > > I'm in doubt about 4.1, the remark about recvfrom(). I'm trying to think > why you would want to join a single socket to multiple group addresses. The > only reason to perform successive joins on a single socket for me has been > to join multiple interfaces, but not group addresses. I just wonder if it is > really necessary to perform demultiplexing on a socket in an application > using destination addresses. Could somebody tell me about applications that > need this, or refer to an archived discussion about this ? > > The first sentence in chapter 8, paragraph 2, ends with "even for an SSM > destination address G". I think you can strip that part since in the > beginning of the line you already narrowed down to SSM datagrams. And the > only SSM datagrams that come into another domain carry an SSM destination > address right ? > > Regards, Wilbert > > From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Fri Mar 17 11:38:16 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA11048 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:38:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:38:02 +0000 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:37:58 +0000 Received: from postoffice.cisco.com by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:38:22 +0000 Received: from [171.68.180.73] (sj-dial-3-96.cisco.com [171.68.180.97]) by postoffice.cisco.com (8.8.7-Cisco.2-SunOS.5.5.1.sun4/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA00484 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:38:13 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: deering@postoffice Message-Id: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:38:20 -0800 To: idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk From: Steve Deering Subject: latest IGMPv3 draft Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk We missed the draft submission deadline for Adelaide, but if anyone would like to see the most recent draft of the IGMPv3 draft, it can be fetched from: ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/deering/draft-ietf-idmr-igmp-v3-03.txt That file will be sent to internet-drafts when they start accepting drafts again, on March 27. Steve From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Fri Mar 17 11:43:32 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA13193 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:22:26 +0000 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:22:22 +0000 Received: from odin.ietf.org by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:22:56 +0000 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA22134; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:22:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003171322.IAA22134@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce:; Cc: idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-idmr-traceroute-ipm-06.txt,.ps Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:22:50 -0500 Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Multicast Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : A ''traceroute'' facility for IP Multicast. Author(s) : B. Fenner, S. Casner Filename : draft-ietf-idmr-traceroute-ipm-06.txt,.ps Pages : 22 Date : 16-Mar-00 This draft describes the IGMP multicast traceroute facility. Unlike unicast traceroute, multicast traceroute requires a special packet type and implementation on the part of routers. This speci- fication describes the required functionality in multicast routers, as well as how management applications can use the new router func- tionality. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idmr-traceroute-ipm-06.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-idmr-traceroute-ipm-06.txt". 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The agenda follows: - Document Status (Bill Fenner, 5 minutes) - mtrace document update (Bill Fenner, 5 minutes) draft-ietf-idmr-traceroute-ipm-06.{txt,ps} - IGMPv3 spec update (Brad Cain?, 15 minutes) draft-ietf-idmr-igmp-v3-02.txt An updated spec missed the I-D deadline. The authors might post something to the IDMR list for discussion before the IETF. - Multicast Source Filtering API (Dave Thaler, 15 minutes) draft-ietf-idmr-msf-api-00.txt - IPv6 MIBs (Dave Thaler, 5 minutes) - Single-source multicast groups and their relation to IGMPv3 (Hugh Holbrook, 15 minutes) draft-holbrook-ssm-00.txt From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Fri Mar 17 21:16:10 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id VAA26358 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:16:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 01:50:25 +0000 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 01:50:22 +0000 Received: from net013s.hetnet.nl by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 01:50:57 +0000 Received: from pecan ([128.32.201.156]) by hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.327.32); Sat, 18 Mar 2000 02:50:56 +0100 Message-ID: <004901bf907c$116cf140$9cc92080@icsi.berkeley.edu> From: Wilbert de Graaf To: "'idmr'" References: <619F2FB3840CD311AC2C0090273BF1AC152280@pacific.intranet> <14545.43012.999019.866752@Tnt.Cisco.COM> Subject: Re: about joining multiple group addresses on a single socket Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:48:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > My understanding is that at least one of the streaming media players > receives multiple data streams on a single socket. So I don't think > the ability to receive multiple channels (or groups) on a single > socket is useless. I'd agree that it is not strictly necessary, but > it appears to be convenient for some application writers (like Mike). Is see. It's clear to me now why this function has be there. Looking at the draft "Socket Interface Extensions for Multicast Source Filters" (draft-ietf-idmr-msf-api-00.txt), and although the title doesn't imply an extension of recvfrom(), it could include this requirement since the subject itself is quite closely related: ... Probably too much to change to the socket api at once, but on the other hand, it would save us another rfc. - Wilbert From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Fri Mar 17 21:16:33 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id VAA26557 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:16:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 02:07:38 +0000 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 02:07:32 +0000 Received: from 131.107.152.20 by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 02:08:07 +0000 Received: (from dthaler@localhost) by dthaler.microsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA18570; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:43:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dthaler) From: Dave Thaler Message-Id: <200003180343.TAA18570@dthaler.microsoft.com> Subject: Re: about joining multiple group addresses on a single socket In-Reply-To: <004901bf907c$116cf140$9cc92080@icsi.berkeley.edu> from Wilbert de Graaf at "Mar 17, 2000 5:48:31 pm" To: wilbertdg@hetnet.nl (Wilbert de Graaf) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:43:18 -0800 (PST) Cc: idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > My understanding is that at least one of the streaming media players > > receives multiple data streams on a single socket. So I don't think > > the ability to receive multiple channels (or groups) on a single > > socket is useless. I'd agree that it is not strictly necessary, but > > it appears to be convenient for some application writers (like Mike). > > Is see. It's clear to me now why this function has be there. > > Looking at the draft "Socket Interface Extensions for Multicast Source > Filters" (draft-ietf-idmr-msf-api-00.txt), and although the title doesn't > imply an extension of recvfrom(), it could include this requirement since > the subject itself is quite closely related: ... Probably too much to change > to the socket api at once, but on the other hand, it would save us another > rfc. You don't need to change recvfrom(). 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For free information please contact: Jim 877 205 9117 InterNet Marketing Specialies Toronto, Ontario From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Wed Mar 22 14:06:44 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id OAA18112 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:06:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:13:46 +0000 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:13:42 +0000 Received: from pebbles.cooley.com by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:14:03 +0000 Received: by REFREDOM with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:13:59 -0500 Message-ID: <378791F7A3EFD311A343009027403FD70B8DF3@REFREDOM> From: "Chawla, Jay" To: "'idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk'" Subject: technical question Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:13:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I hope you can help me find an example of technology that 'anticipates' a 1996 patent that is being used to stop people from implementing technology that in my opinion should be in the public domain. I'm trying to invalidate a patent that has a 'claim' that claims: o a central group message server (GMS) o a set of hosts connected to that server o an ability to form groups among those hosts o an ability for a host to send a packet specifying a group name to the GMS, which is then forwarded by the GMS to the members of the specified group via separate *unicast*, not multicast o (and this is essential) an ability for the GMS to aggregate a bunch of messages addressed to a group and send them out in a single packet. For aggregation purposes, simple concatenation would suffice as would 'mixing' a set of audio streams for an internet voice conference call. This patent was filed in Feb 1996 and later granted by the US patent office. Could IDMR or anything you folks know about be used to invalidate this patent? Preferably, I'm looking for stuff that was done by Feb 1, 1995 (a year before the patent's filing date) that contains *all* of the elements specified above. If the GMS (or whatever analogous entity you can come up with) also has the ability to manage group lists and add/delete group members during an active session (not just in a connection setup phase), that would be helpful against other claims in the patent. I'm sorry for the intrusion, but I hope you can help take down this patent! Jay Chawla p.s. Please reply to my email address (and copy in the group if desired). I do not subscribe to this list. ___________________________________________________________________ Jay Chawla, Patent Agent *Voice: 703-262-8141 Cooley Godward LLP *Voice (temporary): 703-456-0360 > One Freedom Square *Fax: 703-262-8100 > Reston Town Center *Fax (temporary): 703-456-0375 > 11951 Freedom Drive, Suite 1700 *E-Mail: jchawla@cooley.com > Reston, VA 20190-5601 http://www.cooley.com This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. 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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:33:35 Message-Id: <528.666362.811668@sourcenet.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Apparently-To: idmr-pp To be removed from this mailing list immediately press reply and enter REMOVE on the subject line. Would you like some information on saving 30% on your Phone bills each month and how to get up to 8% back each month on your Utilities including phone. Both residential and Business. 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