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From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Mon Aug 7 08:54:12 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id IAA15615 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 08:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:15:01 +0100 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:14:57 +0100 Received: from 202.54.69.9 by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:14:57 +0100 Received: by suraksha.wipsys.soft.net (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id PAA03946; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:41:37 +0530 (IST) Received: from cdcvwall(192.168.160.23) by suraksha via smap (V2.0) id xma003942; Mon, 7 Aug 00 15:41:25 +0530 Received: from wipro.com ([192.168.162.102]) by bhairavi.mail.wipro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA38B4 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:40:13 +0530 Message-ID: <398E8BC4.843DEF92@wipro.com> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 15:43:24 +0530 From: Balasubramanian Mandakolathur B X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk" Subject: IGMP V1 - V2 Compatibility Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, We have a issue regarding IGMP V1 - V2 Compatibility . If we run IGMP V2 (System A) in the router and if we receive a IGMP V1 query from a router whose IP address less than the (A) should the V2 router do a Querier election and go to NON-QUERIER mode ?? The RFC states that the V2 router should log a warning if it receives a V1 query... Kindly clarify. Regards bala From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Mon Aug 7 11:44:52 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA00771 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:59:26 +0100 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:59:22 +0100 Received: from H-135-207-30-103.research.att.com by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:59:21 +0100 Received: from alliance.research.att.com (alliance.research.att.com [135.207.26.26]) by mail-green.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363A91E008; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 08:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from windsor.research.att.com (windsor.research.att.com [135.207.26.46]) by alliance.research.att.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA28527; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 08:59:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fenner Received: (from fenner@localhost) by windsor.research.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.5) id FAA09605; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 05:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008071259.FAA09605@windsor.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: balasubramanian.bhava@wipro.com Subject: Re: IGMP V1 - V2 Compatibility Cc: idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 05:59:17 -0700 Versions: dmail (solaris) 2.2g/makemail 2.9a Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >If we run IGMP V2 (System A) in the router and if we receive a IGMP V1 >query from a router whose IP address less than the (A) should the >V2 router do a Querier election and go to NON-QUERIER mode ?? Yes. >The RFC states that the V2 router should log a warning if it receives >a V1 query... There's no automatic Querier configuration; if you get a V1 Query and you're not configured for V1 then there's a misconfiguration. The warning is to make the administrator aware of the misconfiguration. Logging the warning is in addition to doing the election. Bill From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Mon Aug 7 11:44:58 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id LAA00844 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:57:19 +0100 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:57:15 +0100 Received: from suraksha.wipsys.soft.net by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:57:13 +0100 Received: by suraksha.wipsys.soft.net (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id TAA08695; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:23:50 +0530 (IST) Received: from cdcvwall(192.168.160.23) by suraksha via smap (V2.0) id xma008691; Mon, 7 Aug 00 19:23:49 +0530 Received: from krishnansub ([192.168.162.181]) by bhairavi.mail.wipro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA59DB for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:22:37 +0530 Message-ID: <008e01c00077$86ca7fa0$b5a2a8c0@wipsys.soft.net> From: Krishnan Subramaniam To: idmr Subject: IGMP V2 unsolicited report Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:28:09 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed ; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008B_01C000A5.9F4CFAC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C000A5.9F4CFAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi all , the RFC states that when a host joins a group it should send report immedaitely instead of waiting for the query to reduce delay ; but=20 it has to send only if it is the first host to join the group in its subnetwork ; moreover any host has to send its report with a destination address same as the group address ;=20 in that case how will a host know that there is already a member for the group it wants to join so as to prevent sending unsolicited report ; krishna =20 ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C000A5.9F4CFAC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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( There is no mention of this in the RFC 1112 ). Is it same as V2 router FSM except that for the "Checking Membership State" where you send V2 Group Specific query. 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Bill From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Mon Aug 7 15:02:14 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA27879 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:58:39 +0100 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:58:33 +0100 Received: from griffin.aciri.org by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:58:35 +0100 Received: from hetnet.nl (localhost.aciri.org [127.0.0.1]) by griffin.aciri.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA47033; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:57:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilbertdg@hetnet.nl) Message-ID: <398EEA8A.6C969A90@hetnet.nl> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 09:57:46 -0700 From: Wilbert de Graaf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.36 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Krishnan Subramaniam CC: idmr Subject: Re: IGMP V2 unsolicited report References: <008e01c00077$86ca7fa0$b5a2a8c0@wipsys.soft.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Krishnan, > the RFC states that when a host joins a group it should send report > immedaitely instead of waiting for the query to reduce delay ; but > it has to send only if it is the first host to join the group in its > subnetwork ; The initial (join) report is always send out on the network, since there is no way for the host to tell if traffic for that group is already available on it's network. So instead of waiting for the router to ask all the hosts about that group, you just send the report immediately. (With IGMPv3, it's not enough to know if another host joined the same group. They also need to tell what sources to include or exclude.) > moreover any host has to send its report with a destination address > same as the group address ; (And with IGMPv3 all reports are send to 224.0.0.22: all IGMPv3 routers) > in that case how will a host know that there is already a member > for the group it wants to join so as to prevent sending unsolicited > report ; A host in IGMPv2 mode will receive IGMPv2 reports from other hosts on the network since it subscribed to that group (so the interface will accept them) and, as you said, the destination address of those report equals that group. What happens in the IGMP code is that when a IGMPv1 or IGMPv2 comes in, the code checks to see if it has a pending report for that same group, and cancels it. (But with IGMPv3, you don't hold prevent sending those messages.) - Wilbert From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Tue Aug 8 17:28:20 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id RAA27410 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:42:24 +0100 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:42:20 +0100 Received: from mx.sprintlabs.com by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:42:22 +0100 Received: from sprintlabs.com (10.64.202.57 [10.64.202.57]) by mailman.sprintlabs.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id P3BFR4F4; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:42:18 -0700 Message-ID: <39905487.4B9D557D@sprintlabs.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:42:15 -0700 From: Supratik Bhattacharyya Reply-To: linux-igmpv3@sprintlabs.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Subject: IGMPv3 for Linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, We would like to announce the initial release of SprintLabs' implementation of the Internet Group Management Protocol(IGMP) version 3 for Linux. The implementation is available as a patch for either 2.4.0 kernels or 2.2.14. Sprint Labs is making the implementation available under the terms of the GNU General Public License. For more details or to download the software, please visit : http://www.sprintlabs.com/Department/IP-Interworking/multicast/linux-igmpv3/index.html Regards, Christos Gkantsidis Timothy Roscoe Supratik Bhattacharyya From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Thu Aug 10 09:48:46 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id JAA22494 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:52:43 +0100 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:52:36 +0100 Received: from odin.ietf.org by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:52:25 +0100 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA14106; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 06:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008101052.GAA14106@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce:; Cc: idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-idmr-dvmrp-v3-as-00.txt,.ps Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 06:52:25 -0400 Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Multicast Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : Distance Vector Multicast Routing Protocol Applicability Statement Author(s) : T. Pusateri Filename : draft-ietf-idmr-dvmrp-v3-as-00.txt,.ps Pages : 6 Date : 09-Aug-00 This document provides a framework for the use of Distance Vector Multicast Routing Protocol (DVMRP) Version 3 within a multicast routing domain. It is an interior gateway protocol designed to be used within an autonomous system. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idmr-dvmrp-v3-as-00.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-idmr-dvmrp-v3-as-00.txt". 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This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Multicast Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : Distance Vector Multicast Routing Protocol Author(s) : T. Pusateri Filename : draft-ietf-idmr-dvmrp-v3-10.txt,.ps Pages : 48 Date : 09-Aug-00 DVMRP is an Internet routing protocol that provides an efficient mechanism for connection-less datagram delivery to a group of hosts across an internetwork. It is a distributed protocol that dynamically generates IP Multicast delivery trees using a technique called Reverse Path Multicasting (RPM) [Deer90]. This document is an update to Version 1 of the protocol specified in RFC 1075 [Wait88]. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idmr-dvmrp-v3-10.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-idmr-dvmrp-v3-10.txt". 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This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Multicast Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : Distance Vector Multicast Routing Protocol Author(s) : T. Pusateri Filename : draft-ietf-idmr-dvmrp-v3-10.txt,.ps Pages : 48 Date : 09-Aug-00 DVMRP is an Internet routing protocol that provides an efficient mechanism for connection-less datagram delivery to a group of hosts across an internetwork. It is a distributed protocol that dynamically generates IP Multicast delivery trees using a technique called Reverse Path Multicasting (RPM) [Deer90]. This document is an update to Version 1 of the protocol specified in RFC 1075 [Wait88]. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idmr-dvmrp-v3-10.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-idmr-dvmrp-v3-10.txt". 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This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Multicast Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : Distance Vector Multicast Routing Protocol Applicability Statement Author(s) : T. Pusateri Filename : draft-ietf-idmr-dvmrp-v3-as-00.txt,.ps Pages : 6 Date : 09-Aug-00 This document provides a framework for the use of Distance Vector Multicast Routing Protocol (DVMRP) Version 3 within a multicast routing domain. It is an interior gateway protocol designed to be used within an autonomous system. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idmr-dvmrp-v3-as-00.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-idmr-dvmrp-v3-as-00.txt". 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000809142346.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idmr-dvmrp-v3-as-00.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-idmr-dvmrp-v3-as-00.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000809142346.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Thu Aug 10 13:04:21 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id NAA05134 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:48:50 +0100 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:48:37 +0100 Received: from p-biset.issy.cnet.fr by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:48:37 +0100 Received: by p-biset.issy.cnet.fr with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:33:10 +0200 Message-ID: <91A311FF6A85D3118DDF0060080C3D82094FA6@lat3721.lannion.cnet.fr> From: LEVIS Pierre FTRD/DMI/CAE To: idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Subject: X in igmpv3 EXCLUDE(X,Y) ? Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:32:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear all, I find hard to understand the exact meaning of X in EXCLUDE(X,Y) IGMPv3 router state (Y seems obvious, as the collection of ALL sources present in all hosts with an EXCLUDE mode AND absent from ALL hosts with an INCLUDE mode). I would ask for clarification. Throughout the reading of the draft I see two possible ways to interpret X: 1) X is the collection of ALL sources present in at least one host with an INCLUDE mode AND at least one host with an EXCLUDE mode. This seems compliant with paragraph 6.2.1: "The second set is the set which represents conflicts in the desired reception state; this set must be forwarded" (by the way the second set is actually the first in the writing convention used in the tables), and paragraph 6.2.3 that refines what is intended by "conflict": "If a source record has a running timer with a router filter-mode for the group of EXCLUDE, it means that a "conflict" has occurred with respect to desired reception state of that source (i.e. one system desires the source and another one doesn't)" 2) X is the collection of ALL sources present in ALL hosts with an INCLUDE mode. This seems to be compliant with annex A.3: "One of the ways to accomplish this is for routers to keep track of all sources desired by hosts that are in INCLUDE mode even though the router itself is in EXCLUDE mode" and paragraph 6.5: "if a router's state for a group is EXCLUDE(X,Y) and the group timer expires for that group, the router switches to filter-mode of INCLUDE with state INCLUDE(X)". In this case there's not always a conflict in the desired reception state: as far as source s1 is concerned there's no conflict between a host with INCLUDE {s1} and a host with EXCLUDE {s2}, they both mean source s1 is to be forwarded. Every comment on my interpretations or misinterpretations would be greatly appreciated. Pierre From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Thu Aug 10 15:45:38 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA12094 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:38:31 +0100 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:38:27 +0100 Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:38:27 +0100 Received: from kouvelas-u10.cisco.com (kouvelas-u10.cisco.com [171.69.65.54]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA27853; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:38:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kouvelas@localhost) by kouvelas-u10.cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/CISCO.WS.1.2) with ESMTP id KAA27198; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008101738.KAA27198@kouvelas-u10.cisco.com> X-Authentication-Warning: kouvelas-u10.cisco.com: kouvelas owned process doing -bs To: LEVIS Pierre FTRD/DMI/CAE cc: idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Subject: Re: X in igmpv3 EXCLUDE(X,Y) ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:32:08 +0200." <91A311FF6A85D3118DDF0060080C3D82094FA6@lat3721.lannion.cnet.fr> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:38:27 -0700 From: Isidor Kouvelas Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Pierre, The X list of sources when the router is maintaining an EXCLUDE(X,Y) state is useful for two reasons: - Keep on forwarding a set of sources that are excluded by a host in EXCLUDE mode but are requested to be forwarded by a host in INCLUDE mode. - When EXCLUDE mode times out in the router and the group transitions to include mode, X is used as the set of sources to forward after the switch. thanks Isidor LEVIS Pierre FTRD/DMI/CAE writes: >Dear all, > >I find hard to understand the exact meaning of X in EXCLUDE(X,Y) IGMPv3 >router state (Y seems obvious, as the collection of ALL sources present in >all hosts with an EXCLUDE mode AND absent from ALL hosts with an INCLUDE >mode). I would ask for clarification. > >Throughout the reading of the draft I see two possible ways to interpret X: > >1) X is the collection of ALL sources present in at least one host with an >INCLUDE mode AND at least one host with an EXCLUDE mode. >This seems compliant with paragraph 6.2.1: "The second set is the set which >represents conflicts in the desired reception state; this set must be >forwarded" (by the way the second set is actually the first in the writing >convention used in the tables), and paragraph 6.2.3 that refines what is >intended by "conflict": "If a source record has a running timer with a >router filter-mode for the group of EXCLUDE, it means that a "conflict" has >occurred with respect to desired reception state of that source (i.e. one >system desires the source and another one doesn't)" > >2) X is the collection of ALL sources present in ALL hosts with an INCLUDE >mode. >This seems to be compliant with annex A.3: "One of the ways to accomplish >this is for routers to keep track of all sources desired by hosts that are >in INCLUDE mode even though the router itself is in EXCLUDE mode" and >paragraph 6.5: "if a router's state for a group is EXCLUDE(X,Y) and the >group timer expires for that group, the router switches to filter-mode of >INCLUDE with state INCLUDE(X)". >In this case there's not always a conflict in the desired reception state: >as far as source s1 is concerned there's no conflict between a host with >INCLUDE {s1} and a host with EXCLUDE {s2}, they both mean source s1 is to be >forwarded. > >Every comment on my interpretations or misinterpretations would be greatly >appreciated. > >Pierre > From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Thu Aug 10 18:13:16 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id SAA15082 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:34:19 +0100 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:34:15 +0100 Received: from griffin.aciri.org by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:34:09 +0100 Received: from hetnet.nl (localhost.aciri.org [127.0.0.1]) by griffin.aciri.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA66412; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:34:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilbertdg@hetnet.nl) Message-ID: <399311BF.8B09C743@hetnet.nl> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:34:07 -0700 From: Wilbert de Graaf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.36 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LEVIS Pierre FTRD/DMI/CAE CC: idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Subject: Re: X in igmpv3 EXCLUDE(X,Y) ? References: <91A311FF6A85D3118DDF0060080C3D82094FA6@lat3721.lannion.cnet.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Pierre, > I find hard to understand the exact meaning of X in EXCLUDE(X,Y) IGMPv3 > router state (Y seems obvious, as the collection of ALL sources present in > all hosts with an EXCLUDE mode AND absent from ALL hosts with an INCLUDE > mode). I would ask for clarification. > ... > Every comment on my interpretations or misinterpretations would be greatly > appreciated. EXCLUDE(X,Y) means: X: those sources from whom traffic must be forwarded since there are hosts that are in include mode for this group and members of X in the corresponding source list. (The 'conflicting' set from paragraph 6.2.1) Y: router doesn't forward traffic from those sources, since none of the hosts are interested. Either because all reports for this group were EXCLUDE mode with members of Y -or- INCLUDE but no members of Y, or through an expired timer (which just before the timer expired was a member of X). - Wilbert From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Thu Aug 10 18:13:39 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id SAA15093 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:48:53 +0100 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:48:47 +0100 Received: from 195.31.252.2 by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:48:47 +0100 Received: from smtp.indiatimes.com (PPPa84-ResaleAnnArbor1-4R7222.saturn.bbn.com [4.54.189.177]) by teresa2.xtel.it (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA24461; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:11:25 +0200 Subject: Receive a Brand New FREE Pager . 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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:10:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk After Isidor and Wilbert answers I'm still a little bit confused. From Isidor I understand X is the set of sources excluded by at least one host in EXCLUDE mode AND at least requested by one host in INCLUDE mode. This was my first interpretation in my previous message. From Wilbert I understand X is the set of sources requested by at least one host in INCLUDE mode, no matter the source lists for hosts in EXCLUDE mode. This was my second interpretation in my previous message. Let's give an example, Three hosts with the following states for a specific group EXCLUDE{a,b} INCLUDE{a} INCLUDE{c} Will the router state be: EXCLUDE({a},{b}) interpretation 1 ? or EXCLUDE({a,c},{b}) interpretation 2 ? In case of 1, if host in EXCLUDE{a,b} ceases reporting, when router switches to INCLUDE mode how will it know about source c ? What am I missing ? 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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:19:04 -0700 From: Isidor Kouvelas Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Pierre, The list of sources X contains all the sources reported from hosts in INCLUDE mode up to the point where an exclude report is received. At that point, only the conflicting sources are kept. This is repeated in each query interval. When the last host in EXCLUDE mode leaves the group, the router sends a group specific query. This causes the EXCLUDE group timer on the router to be lowered. At this point all hosts in INCLUDE mode respond and update the list X. As there are no hosts left in EXCLUDE mode, no EXCLUDE reports are received to update the group timer. Hence the timer expires with all the sources in INCLUDE mode listed in X. At this point list X is used as the list of source to forward in INCLUDE mode. thanks Isidor LEVIS Pierre FTRD/DMI/CAE writes: >After Isidor and Wilbert answers I'm still a little bit confused. > >From Isidor I understand X is the set of sources excluded by at least one >host in EXCLUDE mode AND at least requested by one host in INCLUDE mode. >This was my first interpretation in my previous message. > >From Wilbert I understand X is the set of sources requested by at least one >host in INCLUDE mode, no matter the source lists for hosts in EXCLUDE mode. >This was my second interpretation in my previous message. > >Let's give an example, >Three hosts with the following states for a specific group >EXCLUDE{a,b} >INCLUDE{a} >INCLUDE{c} >Will the router state be: >EXCLUDE({a},{b}) interpretation 1 ? >or >EXCLUDE({a,c},{b}) interpretation 2 ? >In case of 1, if host in EXCLUDE{a,b} ceases reporting, when router switches >to INCLUDE mode how will it know about source c ? > >What am I missing ? > >Thanks, > >Pierre > From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Sat Aug 12 03:59:52 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id DAA28561 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 03:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:36:38 +0100 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:36:32 +0100 Received: from cbin2-mail.cisco.com by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 08:36:31 +0100 Received: from cisco.com ([192.135.247.160]) by cbin2-mail.cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14336; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 13:04:31 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <3994FEAF.47837519@cisco.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 13:07:19 +0530 From: Rajiv Raghunarayan Reply-To: rrajiv@cisco.com Organization: Cisco Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Haixiang He CC: idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Subject: Re: Where can I find the mail archive? References: <3994EB81.9AE4FC28@nortelnetworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This was a mail sent by Bill Fenner a few days ago about the archive.. HTH.. Rajiv. ------------ Yes, those archives went down. If you are interested in archives from less than a year ago, see ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/idmr/ Bill Haixiang He wrote: > > Can anybody tell me where can I find the idmr WG mail archive. I cannot > get to the one show on the idmr charter web page: > http://www.jnx.com/~pusateri/idmr. Thanks! > > Regards, > > Haixiang From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Sat Aug 12 04:03:27 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id EAA28658 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 04:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 07:14:54 +0100 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 07:14:50 +0100 Received: from ns2.BayNetworks.COM by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 07:14:52 +0100 Received: from mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (h8754.s84f5.BayNetworks.COM [132.245.135.84]) by southpass.baynetworks.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA29605 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pobox.engeast.BayNetworks.COM (pobox.engeast.baynetworks.com [192.32.61.6]) by mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA08714 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nortelnetworks.com (corp-cnc-243 [132.245.134.243]) by pobox.engeast.BayNetworks.COM (SMI-8.6/BNET-97/04/24-S) with ESMTP id CAA14630; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:14:48 -0400 for Message-ID: <3994EB81.9AE4FC28@nortelnetworks.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:15:29 -0400 From: Haixiang He X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Subject: Where can I find the mail archive? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anybody tell me where can I find the idmr WG mail archive. I cannot get to the one show on the idmr charter web page: http://www.jnx.com/~pusateri/idmr. Thanks! 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