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From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Sun Oct 1 01:21:29 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id BAA09427 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 01:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 04:31:54 +0100 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 04:31:50 +0100 Received: from wormtail.PADFOOT.COM by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 04:32:02 +0100 Received: from nil (office.wormtail.PADFOOT.COM [198.137.194.51]) by wormtail.padfoot.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e8UNdZE13165; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:39:36 GMT (envelope-from hank@rem.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14806.45065.261597.264231@zany.terrapin.net> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:31:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Henry Kilmer To: "Houdek, Stephen (S.W.)" Cc: "'Henry Sinnreich '" , "'John M. Zwiebel '" , "'Tony Ballardie '" , "'idmr '" , "'mboned '" , "'maddogs '" Subject: RE: WAN multicast status In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 (patch 8) "Bryce Canyon" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Houdek, Stephen (S.W.) writes: >John is correct, there is a lot of activity in the enterprise space. As for >the ISP's its a shame they don't get it. Content and demand is growing very >rapidly. I'm not sure it is fair to say that the ISPs don't get it. I know of an ISP that was running "the standard" native multicast deployment that has removed multicast entirely due to two successive targetted attacks on their multicast infrastrucure. -Hank From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Sun Oct 1 08:01:02 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id IAA08202 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 08:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:58:36 +0100 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:58:32 +0100 Received: from hoemail2.lucent.com by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:58:44 +0100 Received: from hoemail2.firewall.lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hoemail2.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11990 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 06:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uk0006exch001h.wins.lucent.com (h135-86-160-150.lucent.com [135.86.160.150]) by hoemail2.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11964 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 06:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uk0006exch001h.uk.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:58:40 +0100 Message-ID: <976F7C55E3B2D111A0720008C728549C048772C1@en0060exch001u.uk.lucent.com> From: "Casati, Alessio (Alessio)" To: "'John M. Zwiebel'" Cc: "'Henry Sinnreich '" , "'Tony Ballardie '" , "'idmr '" , "'mboned '" , "'maddogs '" Subject: RE: WAN multicast status Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:58:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > ^ A personal opinion in hindsight: The multicast community did not > ^ develop and standardize the AAA and payments issues related to > ^ multicast. > > I agree, but I don't believe it matters. IMHO folks who want > data replication in the network with very tight control over > who sees it and pays for it are going to opt for layer-4-7 > replication ala Microsoft and Real and others. > > I think that the very fact one could organize a DDoS attack by making many hosts join a "monster number" of multicast groups in a region of the Internet would make people think some form of L3 control is needed. It's a problem of admission to the right to influence multicast routing in the Internet, on a per multicast group basis. Finally, I do agree that AAA is not the only issue multicast faces for true Internet scale deployment. Anyway, this is not to say it is not possible to solve them all :). In fact, John wants to go to the beach, eventually ;) alessio From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Sun Oct 1 08:01:11 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id IAA08216 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 08:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:14:47 +0100 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:14:43 +0100 Received: from 202.103.0.161 by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:14:55 +0100 Received: from 202.103.0.161 by fw.hbwhptt.net.cn. 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If you would like to be removed cartor12@dcemail.com From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Sun Oct 1 13:21:00 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id NAA10415 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:20:48 +0100 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:20:44 +0100 Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:20:53 +0100 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) id <0G1R00I01BYR1Z@firewall.mcit.com> for idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:20:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0G1R00G3XBYRO7@firewall.mcit.com>; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 15:20:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0G1R00601BVGNK@dgismtp03.wcomnet.com>; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 15:18:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G1R00601BVGNH@dgismtp03.wcomnet.com>; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 15:18:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from C25776A ([166.44.58.119]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0G1R00H91BV1V0@dgismtp03.wcomnet.com>; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 15:18:40 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 10:19:51 -0500 From: Henry Sinnreich Subject: RE: WAN multicast status In-reply-to: <976F7C55E3B2D111A0720008C728549C048772C1@en0060exch001u.uk.lucent.com> To: "Casati, Alessio (Alessio)" , "'John M. Zwiebel'" Cc: "'Tony Ballardie '" , "'idmr '" , "'mboned '" , "'maddogs '" , sip@lists.bell-labs.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Finally, I do agree that AAA is not the only issue >multicast faces >for true Internet scale deployment. The other issue I believe, is "interdomain". Looking back at the history of multicast to make another protocol successful (SIP), it appeared both "AAA" and "interdomain'" are required to make it successful. But this may be of interest to other WG's - the SIP WG most notably. Henry >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-mboned@network-services.uoregon.edu >[mailto:owner-mboned@network-services.uoregon.edu]On >Behalf Of Casati, >Alessio (Alessio) >Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 5:59 AM >To: 'John M. Zwiebel' >Cc: 'Henry Sinnreich '; 'Tony Ballardie '; 'idmr '; >'mboned '; 'maddogs >' >Subject: RE: WAN multicast status > > > > >> ^ A personal opinion in hindsight: The multicast >community did not >> ^ develop and standardize the AAA and payments >issues related to >> ^ multicast. >> >> I agree, but I don't believe it matters. IMHO folks >who want >> data replication in the network with very tight control over >> who sees it and pays for it are going to opt for layer-4-7 >> replication ala Microsoft and Real and others. >> >> >I think that the very fact one could >organize a DDoS attack by making many hosts join >a "monster number" of multicast groups in a region >of the Internet would make people think some form >of L3 control is needed. > >It's a problem of admission to the right to influence >multicast routing in the Internet, on a per multicast group >basis. > >Finally, I do agree that AAA is not the only issue >multicast faces >for true Internet scale deployment. 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If we have reached you in error, and you would like to be removed carla7@dcemail.com From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Fri Oct 6 03:55:48 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id DAA26579 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 03:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:14:45 +0100 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:14:40 +0100 Received: from 202.101.38.219 by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:14:53 +0100 Received: from _[57.145.247.230]_by by baosoft.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA25026; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:13:56 +0800 From: HotStock@masterone.com Message-Id: <200010060513.NAA25026@baosoft.com> Original-Received: from [17.122.112.78] by _[57.145.247.230]_by with SMTP id A108C39E11 Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:50:53 PDT PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Subject: WHY SO MUCH SMART MONEY IS SO HIGH ON READ-RITE !! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain, charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 01:08:10 Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Link to article below: http://www.thestreet.com/comment/herbonthestreet/1096812.html Commentary: Herb on TheStreet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why So Much Smart Money Is So High on Read-Rite By Herb Greenberg Senior Columnist 9/26/00 6:30 AM ET Read-Rite(symbol= RDRT) Feeling benevolent, so let's get bullish: Reading right: As I've written in RealMoney.com's Columnist Conversation, the one stock quite a few of my smartest sources are yapping about is Read-Rite (RDRT:Nasdaq - news - boards), the (until very recently) long-forgotten maker of heads for disk drives. The only reason I take it seriously is because of the variety of investors in the stock (from seasoned and savvy traders to some of the most-dogged researchers I know). Most of the sizzle surrounding the company in recent weeks has been tied to the launch of a new division called Scion Photonics, which is developing optical wafers for use in the fiber-optic networks, and which was initially funded with $25 mil from Tyco Ventures and Roger McNamee's Integral Capital, which got a quarter of the company in return. But that's only part of the story: According to Scott Turkel of TCM Partners, who has had his share of hits and misses in this column, and who also happens to be the only on-the-record holder among my sources, the company without Scion is worth about where it trades today, $10.50, or around 1 times sales. "They're completely sold out in their core business in the fourth quarter," he says, "and for the first time, they have pricing power." (One reason is that disk drives are no longer sold mostly for PCs; they've become a staple in storage networks.) Scion, meanwhile, is currently valued at around $100 million (based on Tyco/Integral's 25% stake). "Chump change," says Turkel. That's because the valuation is without even having a marketable product; the first wafer isn't expected to hit the market until next year (which, I should point out, is why some skeptics are, uh, skeptical). But another very sharp manager I know, who is often short stocks, said he saw Read-Rite at several recent conferences, and "I thought the story got better between Salomon Smith Barney and Banc of America, both on the optics side and on their base business. They actually showed a slide of the optical wafer prototype they had made; they said they are sampling product with several customers. They said, Our customers have said, 'If you can make them, we'll buy them.' In other words, the move to optical is less theoretical than it was a month ago." What's more, according to this money manger, who is great at spotting nuances, "They went from saying, 'We'll be break-even cash flow in Q-4 from core businesses,' to saying, 'We are on allocation and we may actually make money in Q4' from the core business.' " Based on that, Turkel (who first bought the stock when it was $4 not long ago) thinks he now owns a $10 stock that is worth $25. P.S.: Read-Rite recently paid the first installment of interest on a convertible bond with cash, rather than stock, which was an alternative. (The cash came from the State of Wisconsin Investment Board, already a large Read-Rite investor.) Translation to some investors: The only reason the state paid with cash is because it thinks the stock is going higher. Or, put another way, Wisconsin, which already owns a 20% stake, wouldn't have sunk in even more cash if it didn't think it would make a decent return. (Did I really write something that glowing? Must be some kind of a market top!) (Voluntary Disclosure: Position- Long) Read-Rite CEO gets into growth By Janet Haney, CBS.MarketWatch.com Last Update: [Timestamp]NewsWatch Latest headlines SAN FRANCISCO (CBS.MW) -- Read-Rite Chief Executive Officer Alan Lowe waxed positive about the future growth prospects for the magnetic-recording-head supplier. Lowe told a crowd of investors and analysts during a presentation at the Banc of America Securities Investment Conference in San Francisco on Thursday that he expects huge unit growth potential for Read-Rite's (RDRT: news, msgs) December quarter, as well as the possibility of profitability. Lowe added that the company is hiring people as fast as it can for its wafer fabrication facility. For the September quarter, the CEO said Read-Rite has a "lot of product to ship in the last 10 days of the quarter." Additionally, Lowe talked about Read-Rite's recent formation of an independent fiber optic company called Scion Photonics which he said hopes to go public. Scion received funding from Tyco, which will make a presentation at the conference later Thursday. Janet Haney is a reporter for CBS.MarketWatch.com. From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Fri Oct 6 09:26:44 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id JAA03245 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:30:55 +0100 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:30:51 +0100 Received: from odin.ietf.org by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:31:03 +0100 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA27470; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010061031.GAA27470@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce:; Cc: idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-idmr-igmp-mrdisc-05.txt Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 06:31:00 -0400 Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Multicast Routing Working Group of the IETF. Title : IGMP Multicast Router Discovery Author(s) : S. Biswas, B. Cain, B. Haberman Filename : draft-ietf-idmr-igmp-mrdisc-05.txt Pages : 14 Date : 05-Oct-00 Companies have been proposing IGMP snooping schemes for layer-2 bridging devices. A method for discovering multicast capable routers is necessary for these schemes. An IGMP query message is inadequate for discovering multicast routers as one querier is elected. In order to 'discover' multicast routers, we introduce two new types of IGMP messages: Multicast Router Advertisement and Multicast Router Solicitation. These two messages can be used by any device which listens to IGMP to discovery multicast routers. Multicast Router Solicitation messages may be used by any network device (e.g. layer-2 switch) to solicit discovery messages from multicast routers. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idmr-igmp-mrdisc-05.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-idmr-igmp-mrdisc-05.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idmr-igmp-mrdisc-05.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20001005145921.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idmr-igmp-mrdisc-05.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-idmr-igmp-mrdisc-05.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20001005145921.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Fri Oct 6 19:24:41 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id TAA14664 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 19:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 22:01:11 +0100 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 22:01:07 +0100 Received: from 202.101.38.219 by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 22:01:20 +0100 Received: from _[98.172.87.175]_by by baosoft.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id EAA25052; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 05:00:50 +0800 From: HOTSTOCKS@tale.com Message-Id: <200010062100.EAA25052@baosoft.com> Original-Received: from [96.128.216.189] by _[98.172.87.175]_by with SMTP id A12C4E2 Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:45:17 PDT PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Subject: DNAP - EMERGING BIOTHECH COMPANY - NEWS TODAY!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain, charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:02:34 Apparently-To: Apparently-To: Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dnaprint (DNAP) an emerging biotech company is invited to the prestigious European conference as one of a few emerging companys to speak. Excellent up to date infomation page (DD page) on DNAP; http://www.sockthestocks.com/profiles/dnap.htm Some facts about DNAP: 1) CEO (Dr. Tony Frudakis) Lead scientist for Corixa starts his own company a few months ago 2) Company is formed by a reverse merger of a pinksheet company 3) DNAP has already completed the accounting to get off the pinksheets and should be listed on the OTCBB soon. 4) Dr. Frudakis was responsible for a patent that sold for $54,000,000 to Smith Kline Beecham while he was at Corixa. 5) Corixa's stock has gone from 14 Cents a few years ago to 50 Dollars today. 6) According to the Barron's article, Dnaprint is in the late stages of forming strategic alliances with major companies. 8) Dnaprint in 9/25/00 issue of Barrons (pg52). Dnaprint information page; http://www.sockthestocks.com/profiles/dnap.htm This is not from a registered financial advisory, please consult with a registered investment advisor before making an investment decision. 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From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Fri Oct 6 19:24:49 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id TAA14675 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 19:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 00:08:57 +0100 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 00:08:53 +0100 Received: from boreas.isi.edu by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 00:09:06 +0100 Received: from ISI.EDU (jet.isi.edu [128.9.160.87]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24644; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010062309.QAA24644@boreas.isi.edu> To: IETF-Announce:; Subject: RFC 2933 on Internet Group Management Protocol MIB Cc: rfc-ed@ISI.EDU, idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=NextPart Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 16:09:04 -0700 From: RFC Editor Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --NextPart A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 2933 Title: Internet Group Management Protocol MIB Author(s): K. McCloghrie, D. Farinacci, D. Thaler Status: Proposed Standard Date: October 2000 Mailbox: kzm@cisco.com, dino@procket.com, dthaler@microsoft.com Pages: 19 Characters: 33406 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-idmr-igmp-mib-14.txt URL: ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc2933.txt This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it describes objects used for managing the Internet Group Management Protocol (IGMP). This document is a product of the Inter-Domain Multicast Routing Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard Protocol. This document specifies an Internet standards track protocol for the Internet community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. 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RFC 2932 Title: IPv4 Multicast Routing MIB Author(s): K. McCloghrie, D. Farinacci, D. Thaler Status: Proposed Standard Date: October 2000 Mailbox: kzm@cisco.com, dino@procket.com, dthaler@microsoft.com Pages: 27 Characters: 50430 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-idmr-multicast-routmib-14.txt URL: ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc2932.txt This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it describes managed objects used for managing IP Multicast Routing for IPv4, independent of the specific multicast routing protocol in use. This document is a product of the Inter-Domain Multicast Routing Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard Protocol. This document specifies an Internet standards track protocol for the Internet community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. 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RFC 2934 Title: Protocol Independent Multicast MIB for IPv4 Author(s): K. McCloghrie, D. Farinacci, D. Thaler, B. Fenner Status: Experimental Date: October 2000 Mailbox: kzm@cisco.com, dino@procket.com, dthaler@microsoft.com, fenner@research.att.com Pages: 26 Characters: 48379 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-idmr-pim-mib-11.txt URL: ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc2934.txt This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it describes managed objects used for managing the Protocol Independent Multicast (PIM) protocol for IPv4. This document is a product of the Inter-Domain Multicast Routing Working Group of the IETF. This memo defines an Experimental Protocol for the Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Discussion and suggestions for improvement are requested. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. 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If you wish to unsubscribe from the eChampion mailing list, simply click here: From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Tue Oct 17 21:09:38 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id VAA24270 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:41:46 +0100 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:41:42 +0100 Received: from ertpg14e1.nortelnetworks.com by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:41:40 +0100 Received: from zbl6c016.corpeast.baynetworks.com (actually zbl6c016) by ertpg14e1.nortelnetworks.com; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:37:55 -0400 Received: from zbl6c002.corpeast.baynetworks.com ([132.245.205.52]) by zbl6c016.corpeast.baynetworks.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2652.39) id 4WQQGN80; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:37:53 -0400 Received: from nortelnetworks.com (HHE [192.32.235.135]) by zbl6c002.corpeast.baynetworks.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2652.39) id VAG7QQTJ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:37:53 -0400 Message-ID: <39ECD4CE.51E47F3A@nortelnetworks.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:38:06 -0400 X-Sybari-Space: 00000000 00000000 00000000 From: Haixiang He X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Subject: A question on Mcast MIB? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In RFC 2932, IPv4 Multicast Routing MIB, it says: ipMRouteInIfIndex OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX InterfaceIndexOrZero MAX-ACCESS read-only STATUS current DESCRIPTION "The value of ifIndex for the interface on which IP datagrams sent by these sources to this multicast address are received. A value of 0 indicates that datagrams are not subject to an incoming interface check, but may be accepted on multiple interfaces (e.g., in CBT)." ::= { ipMRouteEntry 5 } Assume the datagrams is coming from interface 0, e.g. ifIndex=0, then how do you explain this value? Thanks, Haixiang From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Tue Oct 17 21:10:29 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id VAA24285 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:40:17 +0100 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:40:13 +0100 Received: from ups.cisco.com by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:40:12 +0100 Received: (from kzm@localhost) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) id QAA29462; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:40:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Keith McCloghrie Message-Id: <200010172340.QAA29462@cisco.com> Subject: Re: A question on Mcast MIB? To: haixiang@nortelnetworks.com (Haixiang He) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Cc: idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <39ECD4CE.51E47F3A@nortelnetworks.com> from "Haixiang He" at Oct 17, 2000 06:38:06 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit InterfaceIndexOrZero is defined in RFC 2863 as: InterfaceIndexOrZero ::= TEXTUAL-CONVENTION DISPLAY-HINT "d" STATUS current DESCRIPTION "This textual convention is an extension of the InterfaceIndex convention. The latter defines a greater than zero value used to identify an interface or interface sub-layer in the managed system. This extension permits the additional value of zero. the value zero is object-specific and must therefore be defined as part of the description of any object which uses this syntax. Examples of the usage of zero might include situations where interface was unknown, or when none or all interfaces need to be referenced." SYNTAX Integer32 (0..2147483647) Keith. > In RFC 2932, IPv4 Multicast Routing MIB, it says: > > ipMRouteInIfIndex OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX InterfaceIndexOrZero > MAX-ACCESS read-only > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "The value of ifIndex for the interface on which IP > datagrams sent by these sources to this multicast address > are received. A value of 0 indicates that datagrams are not > > subject to an incoming interface check, but may be accepted > on multiple interfaces (e.g., in CBT)." > ::= { ipMRouteEntry 5 } > > Assume the datagrams is coming from interface 0, e.g. ifIndex=0, then > how do you explain this value? > > Thanks, > > Haixiang > > > From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Tue Oct 17 23:27:54 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id XAA27901 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 02:41:57 +0100 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 02:41:51 +0100 Received: from H-135-207-30-103.research.att.com by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 02:41:48 +0100 Received: from alliance.research.att.com (alliance.research.att.com [135.207.26.26]) by mail-green.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B231E032; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from windsor.research.att.com (windsor.research.att.com [135.207.26.46]) by alliance.research.att.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA11169; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:41:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fenner Received: (from fenner@localhost) by windsor.research.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.5) id SAA18977; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010180141.SAA18977@windsor.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: haixiang@nortelnetworks.com Subject: Re: A question on Mcast MIB? Cc: idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:41:44 -0700 Versions: dmail (solaris) 2.2g/makemail 2.9a Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >Assume the datagrams is coming from interface 0, e.g. ifIndex=0, then >how do you explain this value? ifIndex may not be zero. RFC2863 says: ifIndex OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX InterfaceIndex MAX-ACCESS read-only STATUS current DESCRIPTION "A unique value, greater than zero, for each interface. It is recommended that values are assigned contiguously starting from 1. The value for each interface sub-layer must remain constant at least from one re-initialization of the entity's network management system to the next re- initialization." 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Log on now at www.iir-telecoms.com From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Tue Oct 31 12:24:21 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id MAA26019 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:35:10 +0000 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:35:03 +0000 Received: from p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.fr by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:35:02 +0000 Received: by p-biset.issy.cnet.fr with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:34:46 +0100 Message-ID: <91A311FF6A85D3118DDF0060080C3D82095005@lat3721.lannion.cnet.fr> From: LEVIS Pierre FTRD/DMI/CAE To: idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Subject: igmpv3 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:33:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, In section 7.3.1. of one can read: "If a router is not explicitly configured to use IGMPv1 and hears an IGMPv1 Query or IGMPv2 Query, it SHOULD log a warning." That would suggest that a router explicitly configured to use IGMPv2 should log a warning when it hears an IGMPv2 Query. I wonder if it is really what is intended and if so, why? Pierre From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Tue Oct 31 12:24:44 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id MAA26241 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:24:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:05:27 +0000 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:59:14 +0000 Received: from hnssysa.hns.com by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:59:13 +0000 Received: from hns.com (alta14.hns.com [139.85.62.34]) by hnssysa.hns.com (8.9.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA12881; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:54:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <39FDC3FB.5F5B0DED@hns.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:54:51 -0500 From: John Border X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/712) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sbiswas@baynetworks.com, brad.cain@mirror-image.com, haberman@nortelnetworks.com CC: idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Subject: Re draft-ietf-idmr-igmp-mrdisc-05.txt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A couple of commments on the document... (Hopefully, I am not stirring up anything old because I am new...) Re Section 5.2.1... Seems like there should be a SHOULD level requirement to send Termination messages from the same source address as was used with the corresponding Advertisement messages. Re Section 6... It would useful (to me, at least) if there was a three or four sentence discussion of why these particular values were defined as constants instead of as parameters. John Border From owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Tue Oct 31 16:41:53 2000 Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk (pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.8.208]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id QAA18846 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:41:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk via Local Delivery channel id ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:56:48 +0000 Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk by pan2.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:56:42 +0000 Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with Internet SMTP id ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:56:42 +0000 Received: from kouvelas-u10.cisco.com (kouvelas-u10.cisco.com [171.69.65.54]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA02370; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:56:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (kouvelas@localhost) by kouvelas-u10.cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/CISCO.WS.1.2) with ESMTP id LAA05846; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:56:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200010311956.LAA05846@kouvelas-u10.cisco.com> X-Authentication-Warning: kouvelas-u10.cisco.com: kouvelas owned process doing -bs To: LEVIS Pierre FTRD/DMI/CAE cc: idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Subject: Re: igmpv3 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:33:31 +0100." <91A311FF6A85D3118DDF0060080C3D82095005@lat3721.lannion.cnet.fr> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:56:40 -0800 From: Isidor Kouvelas Sender: owner-idmr@cs.ucl.ac.uk Precedence: bulk There is no mechanism in IGMP to handle routers on the same LAN configured with different versions of IGMP. It is up to the administrator to make sure all the routers are configured with the same version. This is why the action upon detecting a missconfigured router is to log a warning. thanks I LEVIS Pierre FTRD/DMI/CAE writes: >Hi all, > >In section 7.3.1. of one can read: "If a >router is not explicitly configured to use IGMPv1 and hears an IGMPv1 Query >or IGMPv2 Query, it SHOULD log a warning." That would suggest that a router >explicitly configured to use IGMPv2 should log a warning when it hears an >IGMPv2 Query. I wonder if it is really what is intended and if so, why? > >Pierre