From nobody Mon Feb 1 12:15:51 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietf-and-github@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44AAF1B35EB for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 12:15:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aPb8Pe_TpL12 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 12:15:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-x234.google.com (mail-ob0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83C091B35EA for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 12:15:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ob0-x234.google.com with SMTP id is5so129827188obc.0 for ; Mon, 01 Feb 2016 12:15:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=czMYNn1KAaCDEWyYG6ufk0wOsJNlagXYNMdxjIvCpTM=; b=YPi2DJ93YGX5lcUr45/k+hzrQH2t3Tie95dKB/0KYip176ZDFu3bx/VeJi1EUhMx6l sdUc4mjE+oAyoPiaTv5hB7rtxjOcvohJv9Owy9QKc2bl1mA0NNJ20nZiIDWcdKiROBiP r26ygA0b+LWUAt6tA3bAqDZXU7+dluiJW0Ix0WAaRNrqF6Fpy6btE/3KI94JCgOkJ+T8 ftUq++ALaa8qfx12KDZlVGCwO0jQGSOEHzmK4IvnT/C6r/Q+SaS/hHiwtoKPPY2KbYcA M9nfed60x/w2r8boKncDbPiMWdIgGl/n9Fl7wILHS0ecI6sA42M1ctIXB77lnveOltGO nrHA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=czMYNn1KAaCDEWyYG6ufk0wOsJNlagXYNMdxjIvCpTM=; b=D59fcFQoVhFTZ6nCqqke8LqXDDs6dWaFziLxQdLjU1XXVehPr5FMz4eaj4OR30LE3Y Kp1LwXTkf4qWbcIOerkQ6XS+Z+VvO0uUyiDh0xN2B/OIRYfLdbJN0H4FvVngTvmLnjDn zYVUbxGu/byMXwQP+sZq1/3Uij55YcsuQbsNIVP/dXdZQYOxk7o2uoSz/7Cv+9phZZbJ fOCsrhFfPuVvLp1fLU6i/nNV6mWE4ZiLMk+5MfETaNVWSiEuBMK+ZT9HPtxB9WRJCVzv nVwHRUm2i+gOp8R61jckLxDAKGql558Ciu+Nw/1bn0mbGFiniz2ftPTnDVnAdPxOhKyq US/w== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOQnLBmRvcEn42kvbkRUODoj6PQfvY8QLd9zixajghwEHQxpAem+1vlFoEscwiiWDxKR+hcoLHWYc+wUGA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.88.196 with SMTP id bi4mr19474806obb.56.1454357747937; Mon, 01 Feb 2016 12:15:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.54.162 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 12:15:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <56AB9AC3.90107@labn.net> <56ABD0CD.10205@alvestrand.no> <56AC268B.8080201@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 15:15:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: Alia Atlas To: Martin Thomson , Barry Leiba Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e010d9800f13afb052abb0c69 Archived-At: Cc: Harald Alvestrand , ietf-and-github@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] A possible way of keeping WG informed of github tracked issues? X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2016 20:15:50 -0000 --089e010d9800f13afb052abb0c69 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The IESG has been working with the IAOC to come up with the right legal template to put into github repositories. I'm not certain when the next version is coming for discussion. Alia On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 7:08 PM, Martin Thomson wrote: > On 30 January 2016 at 13:57, Brian E Carpenter > wrote: > > Also, we need counsel's opinion on how we ensure that IETF process > > rules apply to everything that happens on gh. Some of us have > > put some words in the readme for the repo. Is that enough? > > That's a good question, probably worthy of a new thread. > > This is what a lot of repos have in them: > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-and-github mailing list > Ietf-and-github@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github > --089e010d9800f13afb052abb0c69 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The IESG has been working with the IAOC to come up with th= e right
legal template to put into github repositories.=C2=A0 I'm n= ot certain when the next
version is coming for discussion.
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Alia

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 7:08 PM, Martin Thomson <= martin.thomson@gmail.com> wrote:
On 30 January 2016 at 13:57, Brian E Carpenter
<brian.e= .carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
> Also, we need counsel's opinion on how we ensure that IETF process=
> rules apply to everything that happens on gh. Some of us have
> put some words in the readme for the repo. Is that enough?

That's a good question, probably worthy of a new thread.

This is what a lot of repos have in them:

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X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2016 20:51:25 -0000 > The IESG has been working with the IAOC to come up with the right > legal template to put into github repositories. I'm not certain when the > next version is coming for discussion. That's dependent upon the discussion about revising the Note Well. 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X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2016 21:33:17 -0000 On 02/02/2016 09:51, Barry Leiba wrote: >> The IESG has been working with the IAOC to come up with the right >> legal template to put into github repositories. I'm not certain when the >> next version is coming for discussion. > > That's dependent upon the discussion about revising the Note Well. Not if it simply points to the live Note Well. This is yet another computer science problem easily solved with another level of indirection. 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X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2016 21:37:45 -0000 >>> The IESG has been working with the IAOC to come up with the right >>> legal template to put into github repositories. I'm not certain when the >>> next version is coming for discussion. >> >> That's dependent upon the discussion about revising the Note Well. > > Not if it simply points to the live Note Well. This is yet another > computer science problem easily solved with another level of > indirection. No: it's my sense that the IAOC legal committee doesn't think the existing Note Well is sufficient for what we need to post on github, and we're sorting that out as part of the discussion. 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([2001:df0:0:2006:c0da:ac17:5f6d:8e76]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l9sm45723606pfb.29.2016.02.01.15.50.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 01 Feb 2016 15:50:38 -0800 (PST) To: Barry Leiba References: <56AB9AC3.90107@labn.net> <56ABD0CD.10205@alvestrand.no> <56AC268B.8080201@gmail.com> <56AFCF19.4090303@gmail.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <56AFEF4C.3000807@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 12:50:36 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: ietf-and-github@ietf.org, Harald Alvestrand , Martin Thomson , Alia Atlas Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] A possible way of keeping WG informed of github tracked issues? X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2016 23:50:42 -0000 On 02/02/2016 10:37, Barry Leiba wrote: >>>> The IESG has been working with the IAOC to come up with the right >>>> legal template to put into github repositories. I'm not certain when the >>>> next version is coming for discussion. >>> >>> That's dependent upon the discussion about revising the Note Well. >> >> Not if it simply points to the live Note Well. This is yet another >> computer science problem easily solved with another level of >> indirection. > > No: it's my sense that the IAOC legal committee doesn't think the > existing Note Well is sufficient for what we need to post on github, > and we're sorting that out as part of the discussion. Understood, Barry, but that is all the more reason to avoid propagating copies of the old Note Well, which is what has apparently happened so far. 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Thread-Index: AQHRXITEOdnxCMDbSEWKNZKV59hGcJ8WwdSAgAAZJACAAAQeAIAABw8AgAESVQA= Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 03:26:38 +0000 Message-ID: References: <700E78FA-C5ED-4597-97F3-25D4B67722A0@mnot.net> <56AEC1EC.1030706@gmail.com> <56AECB4C.6060402@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <56AECB4C.6060402@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.0.151221 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.24.67.45] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D2D56155632FDeckelcuciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Martin Thomson , "ietf-and-github@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Ietf-and-github] Legal notices (was: Re: A possible way of keeping WG informed of github tracked issues? X-BeenThere: ietf-and-github@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2016 03:26:42 -0000 --_000_D2D56155632FDeckelcuciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable https://github.com/martinthomson/i-d-template/blob/master/template/CONTRIBU= TING.md is a great example and addresses many of the concerns others have r= aised about github usage, but I agree with Brian that it would be better to= include a ptr to the Note Well than a snapshot of it. Cheers, Charles On 2/1/16, 4:04 AM, "Ietf-and-github on behalf of Brian E Carpenter" on beh= alf of brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wro= te: On 01/02/2016 15:39, Mark Nottingham wrote: On 1 Feb 2016, at 1:24 pm, Brian E Carpenter > wrote: IANAL, but my understanding is that it is generally better to point to the = official rules than to generate copies in each place or to add explanatory material that might unintentionally modify the interpretation. So maybe we should create a short CONTRIBUTING.md and request the IETF counsel to check it. I think that's the function of NOTE WELL, isn't it? Each WG might have additional information they want to add, so I don't thin= k we could have each one be exactly the same, but maybe what we need is ( N= OTE_WELL + ADDITIONAL_GITHUB_SPECIFICS? + WG_STUFF ). Sure, but the NOTE WELL is not a universal constant, and may change from ti= me to time, which is why I used: This repository is for an IETF effort and falls under IETF rules: see http:= //www.ietf.org/about/note-well.html Brian _______________________________________________ Ietf-and-github mailing list Ietf-and-github@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-and-github --_000_D2D56155632FDeckelcuciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <0881AAB541811343ACB8EC507E120003@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
https://github.com/martinthomson/i-d-template/blob= /master/template/CONTRIBUTING.md is a great example and addresses = many of the concerns others have raised about github usage, but I agree with Brian that it would be better to incl= ude a ptr to the Note Well than a snapshot of it.

Cheers,
Charles

On 2/1/16, 4:04 AM, "Ietf-and-github on behalf of Brian E Carpent= er" <ietf-and-g= ithub-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:

On 01/02/2016 15:39, Mark Nottingham wrote:

IANAL, but my understanding is that it is generally better to point to= the official
rules than to generate copies in each place or to add explanatory mate= rial
that might unintentionally modify the interpretation. So maybe we shou= ld
create a short CONTRIBUTING.md and request the IETF counsel to check i= t.
I think that's the function of NOTE WELL, isn't it?
Each WG might have additional information they want to add, so I don't= think we could have each one be exactly the same, but maybe what we need i= s ( NOTE_WELL + ADDITIONAL_GITHUB_SPECIFICS? + WG_STUFF ).

Sure, but the NOTE WELL is not a universal constant, and may change fr= om time to time, which is why I used:

This repository is for an IETF effort and falls under IETF rules: see = http://www.ietf.org/about/note-well.html

    Brian

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