From internet-drafts@ietf.org Wed Aug 1 00:03:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A7521F8532; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 00:03:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.140, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PSu34Km0oqkO; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 00:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18CEA21F8534; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 00:03:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.33 Message-ID: <20120801070345.10978.89847.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 00:03:45 -0700 Cc: ima@ietf.org Subject: [EAI] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade-07.txt X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 07:03:46 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Email Address Internationalization Workin= g Group of the IETF. Title : Post-delivery Message Downgrading for Internationalized = Email Messages Author(s) : Kazunori Fujiwara Filename : draft-ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade-07.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2012-08-01 Abstract: The Email Address Internationalization (SMTPUTF8) extension to SMTP allows UTF-8 characters in mail header fields. Upgraded POP and IMAP servers support internationalized Email messages. If a POP/IMAP client does not support Email Address Internationalization, POP/IMAP servers cannot deliver Internationalized Email Headers to the client and cannot remove the message. To avoid the situation, this document describes a conversion mechanism for internationalized Email messages to be in traditional message format. In the process, message elements requiring internationalized treatment are recoded or removed and receivers are able to know that they received messages containing such elements even if they cannot process the internationalized elements. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade-07 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From internet-drafts@ietf.org Wed Aug 1 00:20:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2EC21F86C2; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 00:20:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.161, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EVVZnQh4oOG9; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 00:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298AF21F866D; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 00:20:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.33 Message-ID: <20120801072035.5227.5523.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 00:20:35 -0700 Cc: ima@ietf.org Subject: [EAI] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eai-5738bis-07.txt X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 07:20:36 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Email Address Internationalization Workin= g Group of the IETF. Title : IMAP Support for UTF-8 Author(s) : Pete Resnick Chris Newman Sean Shen Filename : draft-ietf-eai-5738bis-07.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2012-08-01 Abstract: This specification extends the Internet Message Access Protocol version 4rev1 (IMAP4rev1) to support UTF-8 encoded international characters in user names, mail addresses and message headers. This specification replaces RFC 5738. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eai-5738bis There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eai-5738bis-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-eai-5738bis-07 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no Wed Aug 1 06:24:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B7311E84BE for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:24:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.575 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.575 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.024, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qmnBaBD7qpKI for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from strange.aox.org (strange.aox.org [IPv6:2001:4d88:100c::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A8811E8102 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by strange.aox.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B123F8D21B; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:24:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no by fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpsa id 1343827459-8717-8716/10/8; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 13:24:19 +0000 Message-Id: <50192E10.7050506@gulbrandsen.priv.no> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:24:32 +0200 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: John C Klensin References: <07C040412CE5237C850BE452@JCK-EEE10> <5016D121.1070500@gulbrandsen.priv.no> <78F457593C1910CCBD98F3C3@JCK-EEE10> In-Reply-To: <78F457593C1910CCBD98F3C3@JCK-EEE10> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Cc: ima@ietf.org Subject: Re: [EAI] New documents coming? X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:24:21 -0000 On 07/30/2012 08:32 PM, John C Klensin wrote: > Assuming the WG agrees with you that we don't need a new draft > before discussion on Thursday, it would be reasonable for you to > wait until the end of this week or beginning of next to generate > a new draft. If you had the energy to prepare a short note > listing those changes that you consider substantive but > uncontroversial, that would be helpful. > > good luck with the catchup process -- hope you are fully > recovered at least. All well, just struggling with the backlog. The substantive issue was in fact not be from your review, it was the older open issue. Since noone has said a word about it I assume people don't think it's worth the bother, so I just deleted the issue and will keep the response code name and semantics as in the present draft. I don't think I can manage the wordsmithing necessary for your textual issues today. Sorry. Arnt From klensin@jck.com Wed Aug 1 06:43:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A36A21F8D37 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:43:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.218 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.218 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.381, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mlKb-CJiLst7 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (ns.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864CF21F8D36 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 06:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([::1]) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1SwZ6m-000H2n-5d; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:37:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:42:59 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: Arnt Gulbrandsen Message-ID: <7802F6FCD83B9FEF6B01CE3E@JCK-EEE10> In-Reply-To: <50192E10.7050506@gulbrandsen.priv.no> References: <07C040412CE5237C850BE452@JCK-EEE10> <5016D121.1070500@gulbrandsen.priv.no> <78F457593C1910CCBD98F3C3@JCK-EEE10> <50192E10.7050506@gulbrandsen.priv.no> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: ima@ietf.org Subject: Re: [EAI] New documents coming? X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:43:02 -0000 --On Wednesday, 01 August, 2012 15:24 +0200 Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > The substantive issue was in fact not be from your review, it > was the older open issue. Since noone has said a word about it > I assume people don't think it's worth the bother, so I just > deleted the issue and will keep the response code name and > semantics as in the present draft. It might be helpful to mention it to the list, just as a last check. But I'll leave that to your discretion unless someone else feels strongly about it. > I don't think I can manage the wordsmithing necessary for your > textual issues today. Sorry. No problem. I'd like those changes made before we actually hand of for IETF Last Call, but I don't expect/intend the WG to spend f2f time debating editorial trivia or other textual changes. Good luck with your backlog. john From jyee@afilias.info Wed Aug 1 16:51:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FCD321F8986 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:51:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.602 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.602 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.624, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HELO_MISMATCH_INFO=1.448, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9HDvqR2raiRb for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outbound.afilias.info (unknown [66.199.183.4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8019C21F8982 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms5.on1.afilias-ops.info ([10.109.8.9] helo=smtp.afilias.info) by outbound.afilias.info with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SwigC-0008LM-54 for ima@ietf.org; 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Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:50:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: Joseph Yee To: EAI WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmKCpZJ2stnohd//cvEeuvctbjGUQ0vuTvaat8Mybjt1zkOXvRskipi4TyXHI/xyMDLuNPS Subject: [EAI] slides and agenda link X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:51:03 -0000 All, Just to inform everyone again where the agenda and slides are for tomorrow's meeting. http://tools.ietf.org/wg/eai/agenda Regards, Joseph From fujiwara@jprs.co.jp Thu Aug 2 10:15:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15DC421F8516 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:15:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R2Tp91o7QLrI for ; 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charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ernie and I tried to update draft-ietf-eai-email-clients-00 last year. I attached new version which exist in my machine for 1.5 years. It tried to describe "Error and re-send model". Does anyone have an interest for the document ? If so, I will update it. Regards, -- Kazunori Fujiwara, JPRS ----Next_Part(Fri_Aug__3_02_15_04_2012_590)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="draft-ietf-eai-email-clients-01pre.txt" Email Address Internationalization E. Dainow (EAI) Afilias Internet-Draft K. Fujiwara Intended status: Informational JPRS Expires: June 20, 2010 December 17, 2009 Guidelines for Internationalized Email Clients draft-ietf-eai-email-clients-01 Abstract This document provides some guidelines for email clients that support Email Address Internationalization (EAI) as outlined in [I-D.ietf-eai-frmwrk-4952bis]. A number of interoperability cases between different versions of email components are reviewed. Recommendations are made to improve interoperability and usability and to minimize discrepancies between the display of composed and received email in different language environments. Status of This Memo This Internet-Draft is submitted to IETF in full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79. Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), its areas, and its working groups. Note that other groups may also distribute working documents as Internet- Drafts. Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six months and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other documents at any time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference material or to cite them other than as "work in progress." The list of current Internet-Drafts can be accessed at http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-abstracts.txt. The list of Internet-Draft Shadow Directories can be accessed at http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html. This Internet-Draft will expire on June 20, 2010. Copyright Notice Copyright (c) 2009 IETF Trust and the persons identified as the document authors. All rights reserved. Dainow & Fujiwara Expires June 20, 2010 [Page 1] Internet-Draft Email Clients December 2009 This document is subject to BCP 78 and the IETF Trust's Legal Provisions Relating to IETF Documents (http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info) in effect on the date of publication of this document. Please review these documents carefully, as they describe your rights and restrictions with respect to this document. Code Components extracted from this document must include Simplified BSD License text as described in Section 4.e of the Trust Legal Provisions and are provided without warranty as described in the BSD License. Table of Contents 1. Conventions used in this document . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2. Introduction . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 3. Terminology . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 4. Interoperability . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 4.1. Interoperability Scenarios . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 5. Compatibility Support . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 5.1. Address Book . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 5.2. Message Mode . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 5.3. Message Format . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 5.4. Error Handling . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 5.5. Examples . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 5.6. Limitations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11 6. Mailbox Integration . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12 7. Character Encoding . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12 8. Normalization . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13 9. Security Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13 10. IANA Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 14 11. Acknowledgments . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 14 12. References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 14 12.1. Normative References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 14 12.2. Infomative References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 16 Dainow & Fujiwara Expires June 20, 2010 [Page 2] Internet-Draft Email Clients December 2009 1. Conventions used in this document The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in [RFC2119]. 2. Introduction [I-D.ietf-eai-frmwrk-4952bis] Overview and Framework for Internationalized Email describes changes to electronic mail (email) to fully support internationalized characters. The fundamental change is to remove the ASCII only restriction on email addresses and allow them to contain UTF-8 characters. Additional documents provide detailed specifications for the extensions required to email headers [I-D.ietf-eai-rfc5335bis] and to the protocols SMTP [I-D.ietf-eai-rfc5336bis], POP [I-D.ietf-eai-rfc5721bis] and IMAP [I-D.ietf-eai-5378bis]. This document provides guidelines for email clients that support these specifications for Email Address Internationalization (EAI). It does not introduce any protocol extensions that are not defined in the above documents. It highlights the extensions that are important to the design and implementation of email clients and makes a number of recommendations intended to improve interoperability and usability. 3. Terminology A number of different acronyms are typically used to describe the major functional components of email. Mail User Agent (MUA) Message Submission Agent (MSA) Message Transfer Agent (MTA) Message Delivery Agent (MDA) Message Store (MS) The architecture of modern email systems can range from simple, with all components running on one server, to very complex, with components being distributed across multiple, geographically dispersed machines. Nevertheless, the above terminology is generally sufficient to represent different architectures from a functional point of view. For a comprehensive description of email architecture see [RFC5598]. sender -> MUA -> MSA -> MTA ... Dainow & Fujiwara Expires June 20, 2010 [Page 3] Internet-Draft Email Clients December 2009 MTA -> MDA -> MS -> PIF -> MUA -> recipient In this context, an "Email Client" is an MUA that has an interface to an MSA to send email and an interface to the MS to retrieve email. The interface to retrieve mail (PIF) is a POP or IMAP server or direct access to the File system. The MUA also provides a User Interface (UI) that allows an end user to read (display) and write (compose) their email. A common email architecture includes the MSA function within the MTA. An improved architecture that better addresses security concerns is a separate MSA component as shown here [RFC4409], [RFC5068]. "UTF8SMTP" is used to indicate email address internationalization as specified by [I-D.ietf-eai-frmwrk-4952bis] and related documents. "ASCII" refers to the strict 7-bit ASCII character set [ANSI.X3-4.1968]. "UTF-8", Unicode Transformation Format/8-bit is a character encoding scheme that can represent any character in the Unicode standard [RFC3629]. It contains ASCII as a subset. "message/global" is an email message that contains UTF-8 characters beyond 7-bit ASCII in message headers and/or body parts [I-D.ietf-eai-rfc5335bis]. "message/rfc822" is an email message that contains only 7 bit ASCII and does not use any UTF8SMTP extensions. Note that the original message (as composed by the user) may contain non-ASCII characters that have been encoded into ASCII using IDNA [RFC3490], MIME body encoding [RFC2045] or MIME header encoding [RFC2047]. 4. Interoperability Internationalized Email is not compatible with legacy email systems, those based on prior Internet email standards [RFC5321], [RFC5322]. Non-ASCII email addresses cannot be submitted in SMTP commands like MAIL FROM or RCPT TO. In addition the Internationalized Email standard does not include a method to "downgrade" message/global to message/rfc822. An Internationalized message cannot be transmitted via SMTP if the receiving MTA does not announce UTF8SMTPbis in response to EHLO. There are two failure cases that an email client may have to handle [RFC5336bis, section 3.2]. Dainow & Fujiwara Expires June 20, 2010 [Page 4] Internet-Draft Email Clients December 2009 a) If the client is submitting a message to an MSA that does not support UTF8SMTPbis, the message will be rejected. b) If the MSA does support UTF8SMTPbis but a downstream MTA does not, then the mail will bounce. That is, a delivery status notification (DSN) that the mail could not be delivered will be sent back to the sender. Incompatibility between Internationalized email and legacy systems is expected to be important initially during a transition period but less important over time as more email systems upgrade to support the UTF8SMTP extensions. To the extent that this incompatibility is deemed important at the time an implementation is undertaken, the email client should provide methods to prevent or at least minimize these failures. 4.1. Interoperability Scenarios The following scenarios cover the different cases of sending mail from an Internationalized server to a legacy server. 'I' indicates an Internationalized address (a non-ASCII address on an Internationalized mail server). 'IA' indicates an ASCII address on an Internationalized server. 'LA' indicates an address on a Legacy mail server, which must be ASCII. Case 1. The simple compatibility case From: IA1 (or LA1) To: LA2 Subject: ... Body ... The message will be successfully sent as long as the email client sends message/rfc822 rather than message/global. Case 2. The simple incompatibility case From: I1 To: LA2 Subject: ... Body ... The message will be rejected by the MSA or will bounce from a downstream SMTP server. Dainow & Fujiwara Expires June 20, 2010 [Page 5] Internet-Draft Email Clients December 2009 If user I1 also has an ASCII email address IA1 or LA1, there may be a simple workaround. If the email client supports multiple email accounts, the user just has to switch the From address to an ASCII address and it becomes Case 1. Case 3. The general incompatibility cases The general case is a mix of Internationalized and legacy addresses. While many combinations are possible, the two cases below essentially cover all possibilities. From: I1 To: LA2 Cc: I3 The message will be sent to I3 but it will bounce from LA2. Switching the From address to an ASCII address as in Case 2 is not a solution, as the following case demonstrates. From: IA1 (or LA1) To: LA2 Cc: I3 This message will bounce from LA2 since the address in the Cc header cannot be transmitted to a legacy server. In these cases, users will likely send the message twice in order to reach all intended recipients. First, to the original list and then using an ASCII address to the bounced recipients. If users know beforehand which addresses are on legacy servers, they can avoid bounced messages by removing those addresses, but they still have to send a second email to reach recipients that were removed. 5. Compatibility Support An email client can provide support to minimize the incompatibility problems outlined in section 4. There may be several ways to do this. Following are guidelines on some of the ways that this can be accomplished. At the very least, to provide basic compatibility between Internationalized and legacy systems, if all email addresses in the SMTP envelope and the message headers are ASCII, then a message/ rfc822 should be sent (Case 1 above). Dainow & Fujiwara Expires June 20, 2010 [Page 6] Internet-Draft Email Clients December 2009 For Case 2, the email client should support multiple email accounts and allow the user to switch the From address at any time during composition of the message. For Case 3, several mechanisms may be required to provide compatibility support. These are outlined in the following sub sections. 5.1. Address Book Each contact in the address book should be able to have several email addresses, each of which is configured to be either an Internationalized or a Legacy address. The user may not necessarily know if an ASCII address they enter in their address book is on a legacy server or not. If it is configured as an Internationalized address and that turns out to be wrong, then email sent to that contact may bounce. The user can then re- configure the address as Legacy so the email client can provide warnings of a possible bounce on subsequent messages. 5.2. Message Mode Message composition should have an option to use "Internationalized Mode" or "Legacy Mode". If the type of each address in the headers does not conform to the message mode, then the user is given a warning about those addresses that don't match the mode. In a graphical user interface this might be done by setting such addresses to a different color such as red. The user would typically first change the message mode to see if the warnings disappear. When the mode is switched, the email client switches addresses in message header fields to match the mode, selecting from the list of addresses in each contact. There are cases where both modes provide warnings (see Example 5 below). In these cases, the user can remove the addresses that don't conform to the mode. For Internationalized mode, the user has an additional option to send the message anyway, without removing flagged addresses. They would have to handle bounced messages from Legacy servers later. The option to send anyway cannot be provided in Legacy mode, as it is not possible to compose a message/rfc822 if any sender or recipient address is not ASCII. Dainow & Fujiwara Expires June 20, 2010 [Page 7] Internet-Draft Email Clients December 2009 Where both modes provide warnings, users will likely want to send the message in each mode in order to reach all recipients. The email client should make it easy to do this. There are many possible designs to accomplish this. The following is one example. An option is provided when composing email to add a second message header section in the other mode that allows the user to move addresses between sections. This is in addition to making individual changes to address headers as in normal email composition. The Subject and Body are common so the user can compose a single message but have it sent in the two different modes to different recipients. Following is an example of this for Case 3 above. --------------------------------------------- Legacy Internationalized From: IA1 From: I1 To: LA2 <---> To: Cc: <---> Cc: I3 --------------------------------------------- Subject: ... Body: ... --------------------------------------------- 5.3. Message Format In Internationalized Mode, mail should be sent as message/global. The aim of Internationalized Email is 8 bit clean messages using UTF-8 encoding to represent Unicode characters in header fields and the message body. In Legacy Mode, mail must be sent as message/rfc822. This may include non-ASCII characters that are encoded into ASCII using MIME body encoding [RFC2045] or MIME header encoding [RFC2047]. Any encoding should be based on UTF-8. In the interest of interoperability, charsets other than UTF-8 are prohibited in mail addresses and message headers [RFC4952bis, section 7.1]. 5.4. Error Handling If a message is rejected by the MSA with a response code that indicates incompatibility with legacy email [RFC5336bis, section 3.4], the compose window should be kept open so that the user can make changes and retry. The email client should provide guidance to the user about switching the Message Mode, reconfiguring the type of an address in the address book or adding an ASCII legacy address for a contact in the address book. Dainow & Fujiwara Expires June 20, 2010 [Page 8] Internet-Draft Email Clients December 2009 Similarly, if a message bounces, the email client could parse the delivery status notifications and message disposition notifications [RFC5337bis-dsn] to determine if the failure was a compatibility problem and if so, which addresses caused the problem. 5.5. Examples The following examples illustrate most of the different possible cases. Suppose the user (Sender) has set up the following email account containing two email addresses, an Internationalized address and an ASCII address on an Internationalized server. Sender: I0, IA0 Examples are not provided for the following cases: a) Sender: I0, LA0 If the Sender has both Internationalized and Legacy addresses, then this is equivalent to the above. b) Sender: I0 If the Sender has only Internationalized addresses, then it cannot send Legacy messages. The email client cannot provide an option to switch the Message Mode to Legacy. c) Sender: LA0 If the Sender has only accounts on Legacy servers, then it cannot send Internationalized messages. The email client cannot provide an option to switch the Message Mode to Internationalized. The address book has the following contacts with email addresses. Contact1: I1, IA1 Contact2: I2 Contact3: IA3 Contact4: LA4 Example 1: From: Sender To: Contact1 CC: Contact2 Dainow & Fujiwara Expires June 20, 2010 [Page 9] Internet-Draft Email Clients December 2009 This message can be sent in Internationalized mode. In Legacy mode the email client would flag Contact2, who does not have an ASCII address. Example 2: From: Sender To: Contact1 CC: Contact3 This message can be sent in either Internationalized or Legacy mode. Example 3: From: Sender To: Contact1 CC: Contact4 This message cannot be sent in Internationalized mode. Contact4 would be flagged since it is not on an Internationalized server. This message can be sent in Legacy mode. Example 4: From: Sender To: Contact2 CC: Contact3 This message can be sent in either Internationalized mode or Legacy mode. Example 5: From: Sender To: Contact2 CC: Contact4 This message cannot be sent in either mode. Internationalized mode would flag Contact4 which is on a Legacy server. The user can remove Contact4 or use the send anyway option. Legacy mode would flag Contact2 who does not have an ASCII address. The user would have to remove Contact2 in order to send this message. Dainow & Fujiwara Expires June 20, 2010 [Page 10] Internet-Draft Email Clients December 2009 5.6. Limitations In summary, the guidelines outlines in Sections 5 and 6 will provide the following compatibility solutions: 1. When there is an ASCII address for all contacts in the message, then a single legacy compatible message can be sent to all recipients. 2. When some contacts in the message do not have an ASCII address and some have only ASCII addresses on legacy servers, then the message can be split into two. One message is sent as an Internationalized message to recipients on Internationalized servers. The other is sent as a legacy compatible message to recipients on legacy servers. These guidelines have a number of limitations. a) Unknown Address Types Message Mode is effective only if users are fairly disciplined about keeping addresses in their address book and configuring the type correctly as Internationalized or Legacy. When replying to an email, the message may have addresses that are not in the address book. The user may also enter addresses directly during message composition that are not in the address book. The email client may determine by inspection that some addresses are Internationalized. If an address contains any non-ASCII character, then it must be Internationalized. However, an ASCII address may be on either an Internationalized server or a Legacy server and there is no way software can determine this automatically. In such cases, it may be useful for the email client to flag unknown address types in a message so that the user is not lead to believe that the message will not bounce just because there were no incompatibility warnings. b) Address Removal When email addresses are removed from a message to meet compatibility requirements, recipients do not see everyone who was intended to be part of the conversation. The email client can provide the address of removed recipients by using an empty group. This technique is described in [draft-ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade, section 4.1.7]. This is not an ideal solution, since replies to the message will not Dainow & Fujiwara Expires June 20, 2010 [Page 11] Internet-Draft Email Clients December 2009 reach everyone intended. But at least it provides the necessary contact information to recipients who may be able to use other methods to reply to all intended. 6. Mailbox Integration If more than one email address is used for the sender, then mail may arrive at different email accounts. There are several ways to provide mailbox integration so the user is able to view all mail in one location, such as a single 'Inbox' folder. If integration is done on the server, through the use of aliases, then the email client does not need to do anything. All mail will be received at the client from one address. The email client should provide mailbox integration for cases where server side integration is not available and for more flexibility on the part of the user. Many email clients already provide a convenient way to manage multiple email accounts. An option to view all mail from a group of accounts in one integrated folder should also be provided. 7. Character Encoding Email message bodies may be composed and displayed using many different character encoding schemes. Numerous character encodings have been developed over time in order to best represent different language scripts. In recent years there has been a trend to prefer Unicode as a "universal" character set and UTF-8 as the preferred encoding method. A good general principle to follow is to minimize character conversions. This will reduce the chance that the received message is displayed differently from how it was composed. Displaying received mail SHOULD use the character encoding of the received mail. Since older MUAs may not be able to parse UTF-8, the MUA SHOULD try to reply to mail using the character encoding of the received mail. This may not be possible if the sender adds new characters that cannot be encoded in the original encoding. For example, if the received message is encoded in ISO-2022-JP and characters in ISO- 8859-1 are added to the message, the text cannot be carried in ISO- 2022-JP and conversion to UTF-8 may be the best solution. For new mail, A UTF8SMTP compliant MUA SHOULD use UTF-8 as the default encoding if the message type is global or if the envelope contains non-ASCII addresses. If email clients utilize this default, Dainow & Fujiwara Expires June 20, 2010 [Page 12] Internet-Draft Email Clients December 2009 character conversions will be minimized and there will be less chance that someone will receive mail in an unrecognized encoding. If the message type is rfc822, other considerations may apply, such as using the system locale/language. Notwithstanding the above, there may be cases where the default does not work well. There SHOULD be options for the user to reset the default character encoding. There SHOULD also be options to change the encoding when reading or writing individual email messages. 8. Normalization Different sequences of UTF-8 characters may represent the same thing. Normalization is a process that converts all canonically equivalent sequences to a single unique form. For example, in the Japanese environment, special consideration is needed for the "@" symbol used to separate the local name from the domain name in email addresses. Normalization is necessary to replace FULLWIDTH COMMERCIAL AT (U+FF20) with ASCII "@", COMMERCIAL AT (U+0040) for proper parsing of email addresses. Normalization of email headers is specified in [I-D.ietf-eai-rfc5335bis]-Section 4.1. The MUA SHOULD normalize all email addresses in the envelope and message headers. If the MUA saves email addresses (such as in an address book), they SHOULD be stored in normalized form. For example, an email address entered as user@host*domain where * represents IDEOGRAPHIC FULL STOP (U+3002), as used in some Asian languages, would display as user@host.domain For message bodies that contain UTF-8 characters (message/global), the "Net-Unicode" standardized text transmission format specified in [RFC5198] SHOULD be followed. It covers both normalization and control characters that may affect display of text. 9. Security Considerations This document does not introduce any security considerations beyond those already covered by the normative references for Email Address Internationalization (EAI). Dainow & Fujiwara Expires June 20, 2010 [Page 13] Internet-Draft Email Clients December 2009 10. IANA Considerations IANA changes are covered by the normative references for Email Address Internationalization (EAI). 11. Acknowledgments 12. References 12.1. Normative References [ANSI.X3-4.1968] American National Standards Institute, "USA Code for Information Interchange", ANSI X3.4, 1968. [I-D.ietf-eai-5378bis] Resnick, P., Newman, C., and S. Shen, "IMAP Support for UTF-8", draft-ietf-eai-5378bis-00 (work in progress), November 2010. [I-D.ietf-eai-frmwrk-4952bis] Klensin, J. and Y. Ko, "Overview and Framework for Internationalized Email", draft-ietf-eai-frmwrk-4952bis-10 (work in progress), September 2010. [I-D.ietf-eai-rfc5335bis] Yang, A. and S. Steele, "Internationalized Email Headers", draft-ietf-eai-rfc5335bis-07 (work in progress), December 2010. [I-D.ietf-eai-rfc5336bis] Yao, J. and W. MAO, "SMTP Extension for Internationalized Email Address", draft-ietf-eai-rfc5336bis-07 (work in progress), December 2010. [I-D.ietf-eai-rfc5721bis] Gellens, R., Newman, C., Yao, J., and K. Fujiwara, "POP3 Support for UTF-8", draft-ietf-eai-rfc5721bis-00 (work in progress), September 2010. [RFC1652] Klensin, J., Freed, N., Rose, M., Stefferud, E., and D. Crocker, "SMTP Service Extension for 8bit- MIMEtransport", RFC 1652, July 1994. [RFC2045] Freed, N. and N. Borenstein, "Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions Dainow & Fujiwara Expires June 20, 2010 [Page 14] Internet-Draft Email Clients December 2009 (MIME) Part One: Format of Internet Message Bodies", RFC 2045, November 1996. [RFC2047] Moore, K., "MIME (Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) Part Three: Message Header Extensions for Non- ASCII Text", RFC 2047, November 1996. [RFC2119] Bradner, S., "Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate Requirement Levels", BCP 14, RFC 2119, March 1997. [RFC2231] Freed, N. and K. Moore, "MIME Parameter Value and Encoded Word Extensions: Character Sets, Languages, and Continuations", RFC 2231, November 1997. [RFC3490] Faltstrom, P., Hoffman, P., and A. Costello, "Internationalizing Domain Names in Applications (IDNA)", RFC 3490, March 2003. [RFC3629] Yergeau, F., "UTF-8, a transformation format of ISO 10646", STD 63, RFC 3629, November 2003. [RFC4409] Gellens, R. and J. Klensin, "Message Submission for Mail", RFC 4409, April 2006. [RFC5068] Hutzler, C., Crocker, D., Resnick, P., Allman, E., and T. Finch, "Email Submission Operations: Access and Accountability Requirements", BCP 134, RFC 5068, November 2007. [RFC5198] Klensin, J. and M. Padlipsky, "Unicode Format for Network Interchange", RFC 5198, March 2008. [RFC5322] Resnick, P., Ed., "Internet Message Format", RFC 5322, October 2008. [RFC5598] Crocker, D., "Internet Mail Architecture", RFC 5598, July 2009. Dainow & Fujiwara Expires June 20, 2010 [Page 15] Internet-Draft Email Clients December 2009 12.2. Infomative References [RFC5504] Fujiwara, K. and Y. Yoneya, "Downgrading Mechanism for Email Address Internationalization", RFC 5504, March 2009. [RFC5825] Fujiwara, K. and B. Leiba, "Displaying Downgraded Messages for Email Address Internationalization", RFC 5825, April 2010. Authors' Addresses Ernie Dainow Afilias Canada 4141 Yonge Street Toronto, Ontario M2P 2A8 Canada Phone: EMail: edainow@afilias.info Kazunori Fujiwara Japan Registry Services Co., Ltd. Chiyoda First Bldg. East 13F, 3-8-1 Nishi-Kanda Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 101-0065 Japan Phone: +81 3 5215 8451 EMail: fujiwara@jprs.co.jp Dainow & Fujiwara Expires June 20, 2010 [Page 16] ----Next_Part(Fri_Aug__3_02_15_04_2012_590)---- From johnl@iecc.com Thu Aug 2 10:21:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707A311E817D for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:21:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -111.124 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-111.124 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599, HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI=-4.3, RCVD_IN_BSP_TRUSTED=-4.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SA+M4DM4jwZs for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:21:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EBBA11E817C for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:21:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 35322 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2012 17:21:39 -0000 Received: from leila.iecc.com (64.57.183.34) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 2 Aug 2012 17:21:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=501ab723.xn--30v786c.k1208; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=5wsR3fEt4rd4XcaspMIBxIPvjBoBsaYqFGtYSJ9LK/c=; b=A1m61FTn66/9rOHuS3FJeQ2qD2aOH2JT/j+FqmFrcxjKj2j3c6ppQk9E3AOQodbg4w4rCpX8Ce+u5wy4IqOksqvUum6d2sdBpAdvvWQ8XBeqjfU4+2ENZiTrPAcBBVGrN5edx4lX3KpLHNxCuZb/xIecaycAEQk15NXR794Eocc= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=501ab723.xn--30v786c.k1208; olt=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=5wsR3fEt4rd4XcaspMIBxIPvjBoBsaYqFGtYSJ9LK/c=; b=uYAB3qs6saE4XP+kYcJHTaUzN7o7m//XDernoyuCH5mte7QYNmNAJL88UD2cbD7awUUS0OCsEPieuGd/3lur8bBKrK3xQd8sZyioOhzRp7FHC5icUghdSXK2YaU3bvLeYaXWiLtmxz/RwkvlfL6zvKlWLcXkdoVgqnJO4xH1QLw= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Date: 2 Aug 2012 17:21:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20120802172116.64387.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: ima@ietf.org Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [EAI] What some MUAs did with a message with an empty From group X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:21:41 -0000 Executive summary: nothing broke. * Alpine (my normal client) Displayed OK. Invented a matching Reply-To: line. If I reply, the To: line is empty. * Thunderbird Displayed OK. Reply put the same empty From: group on the To: line, rejects attempts to send it with a message saying to fix the To: line. * Evolution Displayed OK. Reply has a blank To: line. * Android mail Displayed OK. Reply has a blank To: line. * Squirrelmail (popular webmail IMAP client) Displayed OK, reply put the null group on the To: line and let you try to send mail to it. * Yahoo Mail Filed as spam but displayed reasonably. Reply had an empty To: line. * Gmail Filed as spam but displayed reasonably. Reply had an empty To: line. * Hotmail aka outlook.com Displayed OK. Reply put the same empty From: group on the To: line, rejects attempts to send it with a message saying to fix the To: line. ----------------------------------- Here's the messge. Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:24:15 From: A foreign person: ; To: john.levine@gmail.com Cc: johnl@taugh.com Subject: let's have lunch at the sushi place at 1230 Regards, From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Thu Aug 2 10:35:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE4011E8186 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:35:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZMdmyDIbSu+W for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2533911E80D1 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lahm15 with SMTP id m15so12475lah.31 for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 10:35:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Ds2IkrGilN8hRMlU29G4/fEXejNC+DNTn5WI8Dkb2xM=; b=ESXdAKAbfz/hNiVln78WGslIVH6uCHam5FjDdbv/nYfje/AEtLJcLUQHtM3liUenCZ M/mGlEZ6+MwIrD5If7q0j2BrynIU5SVFruvCkyqJh8g+M9xq2ERHbrNdGZY8xmECHAEs SGZLbu2Kfu/cg+rzisE1L7hpbUR4nMcwSi2z5WlTZNDEUUawoR5Qsjqf9/paMQs+a5I7 lCfi3rURCb6U5acKtpeZbykWqzQLl15wr+w+JH388Vmg51lz44QsJj1zw+vwp5bjqOHm 9zdcDmfEAWBPaaTxiTz/oAn73arrfE0rzsvIGKiRF5t9ezemtBt9C3Aef1o71RDNn3Lj 1BVw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.111.200 with SMTP id ik8mr22204226lab.15.1343928919070; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 10:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.17.133 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:35:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120802172116.64387.qmail@joyce.lan> References: <20120802172116.64387.qmail@joyce.lan> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 13:35:18 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Mm4fQluMTYNq2lnLbuYCGkhGdao Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: John Levine Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04089131d3159404c64bd58e Cc: "ima@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [EAI] What some MUAs did with a message with an empty From group X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:35:21 -0000 --f46d04089131d3159404c64bd58e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Will you please re-post this to the thread on ? Barry On Thursday, August 2, 2012, John Levine wrote: > Executive summary: nothing broke. > > * Alpine (my normal client) > > Displayed OK. Invented a matching Reply-To: line. If I reply, the To: > line is empty. > > * Thunderbird > > Displayed OK. Reply put the same empty From: group on the To: line, > rejects attempts to > send it with a message saying to fix the To: line. > > * Evolution > > Displayed OK. Reply has a blank To: line. > > * Android mail > > Displayed OK. Reply has a blank To: line. > > * Squirrelmail (popular webmail IMAP client) > > Displayed OK, reply put the null group on the To: line and let you try > to send mail to it. > > * Yahoo Mail > > Filed as spam but displayed reasonably. Reply had an empty To: line. > > * Gmail > > Filed as spam but displayed reasonably. Reply had an empty To: line. > > * Hotmail aka outlook.com > > Displayed OK. Reply put the same empty From: group on the To: line, > rejects attempts to > send it with a message saying to fix the To: line. > > ----------------------------------- > > Here's the messge. > > Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:24:15 > From: A foreign person: ; > To: john.levine@gmail.com > Cc: johnl@taugh.com > Subject: let's have lunch > > at the sushi place at 1230 > > Regards, > > _______________________________________________ > IMA mailing list > IMA@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ima > --f46d04089131d3159404c64bd58e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Will you please re-post this to the thread on <ietf-822@ietf.org> ?

Barry

On= Thursday, August 2, 2012, John Levine wrote:
Executive summary: nothing broke.

* Alpine (my normal client)

Displayed OK. =A0Invented a matching Reply-To: line. =A0If I reply, the To:= line is empty.

* Thunderbird

Displayed OK. Reply put the same empty From: group on the To: line, rejects= attempts to
send it with a message saying to fix the To: line.

* Evolution

Displayed OK. Reply has a blank To: line.

* Android mail

Displayed OK. Reply has a blank To: line.

* Squirrelmail (popular webmail IMAP client)

Displayed OK, reply put the null group on the To: line and let you try
to send mail to it.

* Yahoo Mail

Filed as spam but displayed reasonably. =A0Reply had an empty To: line.

* Gmail

Filed as spam but displayed reasonably. =A0Reply had an empty To: line.

* Hotmail aka outlook.com<= /a>

Displayed OK. Reply put the same empty From: group on the To: line, rejects= attempts to
send it with a message saying to fix the To: line.

-----------------------------------

Here's the messge.

Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:24:15
From: A foreign person: =A0;
To: john.levine@gmail.com
Cc: johnl@taugh.com
Subject: let's have lunch

at the sushi place at 1230

Regards,

_______________________________________________
IMA mailing list
IMA@ietf.org
htt= ps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ima
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X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 06:32:37 -0000 On 08/13/2012 04:22 AM, Jiankang YAO wrote: > how about your backlog? I ended Friday (almost) without one. > I think that chairs are waiting for your new version draft before = sending 4 drafts to AD. > > If everything is ok, could you kindly update the draft ASAP? There's an excellent chance I'll get it done today. Arnt From yaojk@cnnic.cn Mon Aug 13 00:53:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B31D21F8639 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:53:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.294 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.294 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.048, BAYES_50=0.001, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9yJXUSX99Jc7 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cnnic.cn (smtp.cnnic.cn [159.226.7.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1784221F851B for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 00:52:56 -0700 (PDT) X-EYOUMAIL-SMTPAUTH: yaojk@cnnic.cn Received: from unknown127.0.0.1 (HELO lenovo47e041cf) (127.0.0.1) by 127.0.0.1 with SMTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:52:53 +0800 Message-ID: <1CB9069147A54B28B0862FD5084542BB@LENOVO47E041CF> From: "Jiankang YAO" To: "Arnt Gulbrandsen" , References: <07C040412CE5237C850BE452@JCK-EEE10><5016D121.1070500@gulbrandsen.priv.no><78F457593C1910CCBD98F3C3@JCK-EEE10><50192E10.7050506@gulbrandsen.priv.no><2C99065D1FF1473ABDEEE8823F8F338D@LENOVO47E041CF> <50289F8A.9000300@gulbrandsen.priv.no> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:52:52 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Subject: Re: [EAI] New documents coming? X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 07:53:00 -0000 DQotLS0tLSBPcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlIC0tLS0tIA0KRnJvbTogIkFybnQgR3VsYnJhbmRzZW4i IDxhcm50QGd1bGJyYW5kc2VuLnByaXYubm8+DQpUbzogPGltYUBpZXRmLm9yZz4NClNlbnQ6IE1v bmRheSwgQXVndXN0IDEzLCAyMDEyIDI6MzIgUE0NClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBbRUFJXSBOZXcgZG9j dW1lbnRzIGNvbWluZz8NCg0KDQo+IE9uIDA4LzEzLzIwMTIgMDQ6MjIgQU0sIEppYW5rYW5nIFlB TyB3cm90ZToNCj4+IGhvdyBhYm91dCB5b3VyIGJhY2tsb2c/DQo+IA0KPiBJIGVuZGVkIEZyaWRh eSAoYWxtb3N0KSB3aXRob3V0IG9uZS4NCj4gDQo+PiBJIHRoaW5rIHRoYXQgY2hhaXJzIGFyZSB3 YWl0aW5nIGZvciB5b3VyIG5ldyB2ZXJzaW9uIGRyYWZ0IGJlZm9yZSBzZW5kaW5nIDQgZHJhZnRz IHRvIEFELg0KPj4NCj4+IElmIGV2ZXJ5dGhpbmcgaXMgb2ssIGNvdWxkIHlvdSBraW5kbHkgdXBk YXRlIHRoZSBkcmFmdCBBU0FQPw0KPiANCj4gVGhlcmUncyBhbiBleGNlbGxlbnQgY2hhbmNlIEkn bGwgZ2V0IGl0IGRvbmUgdG9kYXkuDQo+IA0KDQpHcmVhdCEhDQoNCkppYW5rYW5nIFlhbw0KDQo+ IEFybnQNCj4gDQo+IF9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fDQo+IElNQSBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QNCj4gSU1BQGlldGYub3JnDQo+IGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lmll dGYub3JnL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vaW1h From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon Aug 13 04:47:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F28F421F8702; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 04:47:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1hv+TRVfXUYZ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 04:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681DB21F870A; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 04:47:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.33 Message-ID: <20120813114739.1174.72705.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 04:47:39 -0700 Cc: ima@ietf.org Subject: [EAI] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-06.txt X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:47:40 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Email Address Internationalization Workin= g Group of the IETF. Title : Simplified POP/IMAP Downgrading for Internationalized Em= ail Author(s) : Arnt Gulbrandsen Filename : draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-06.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2012-08-13 Abstract: This document specifies a method for IMAP and POP servers to serve internationalized messages to conventional clients. The specification is simple, easy to implement and provides only rudimentary results. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-06 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no Mon Aug 13 04:55:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652FB21F8713 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 04:55:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.564 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.564 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.035, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uHG8VWBL8RXt for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 04:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from strange.aox.org (strange.aox.org [IPv6:2001:4d88:100c::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2DFB21F8705 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 04:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by strange.aox.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C544FA053A; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:55:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no by fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpsa id 1344858908-16755-16754/10/8; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:55:08 +0000 Message-Id: <5028EB24.5040500@gulbrandsen.priv.no> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:55:16 +0200 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: IMA Discussion References: <20120813114739.1174.36751.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20120813114739.1174.36751.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Subject: Re: [EAI] New Version Notification - draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-06.txt X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:55:10 -0000 On 08/13/2012 01:47 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A new version (-06) has been submitted for draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-06.txt Wording only. I even changed one item with which I violently disagree. Clearly I need a vacation. Arnt From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Mon Aug 13 07:30:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B1621F8513 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 07:30:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.043, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j3prrujya7Kg for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 07:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E5621F84F9 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 07:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lbbgg6 with SMTP id gg6so2181652lbb.31 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 07:30:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=QYjQp37mZeqxDfzIA+vaKYrUFV7Mu+pSVKeKh8ETY5s=; b=X/dox6bnCAdkXeJeGONtF9x4ecn3mrd8yO4XJ86w80ifQhKGvmc3YT0tMGIlIUszW8 kO5/HUP8hRXykGxfxcJnZ/i+wji2mr3b9uqDbhBlYT4TYBexqDiTo74yg5TkiuWWBnu1 MCNaDa8l0Z9fZtP/zX5sB0Km+EYDXbPTloitSQLBlOg19/q5L70KiyWuJCWcnA/fTs6A K/gxlKMAwb1hvMcF+OAellR14iYBL7UItFMREieeix3m+4JxsjwpixbRkdiUxLgUbwLK kLP6STa3Aihvcu6Qp2hZyMIA+vjx3/sjGMI9Ov9Fpc7Zpo+eMmh1ZHAdT9XTPPupnD8w 5ZAw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.23.40 with SMTP id j8mr6522189lbf.31.1344868250438; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 07:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.113.196 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 07:30:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5028EB24.5040500@gulbrandsen.priv.no> References: <20120813114739.1174.36751.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <5028EB24.5040500@gulbrandsen.priv.no> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 10:30:50 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: J6pN8AYL4uvHcdeK_4Xc9kfkPdM Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: Arnt Gulbrandsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: IMA Discussion Subject: Re: [EAI] New Version Notification - draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-06.txt X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:30:52 -0000 >> A new version (-06) has been submitted for draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade: >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-06.txt The last paragraph of 2.1 doesn't set off "for example" properly with commas, and because "Received" is a regular word I'm afraid the RFC Editor might get it wrong. OLD The affected header fields are Bcc, Cc, From, Reply-To, Resent-Bcc, Resent-Cc, Resent-From, Resent-Sender, Resent-To, Return-Path, Sender and To. Any addresses present in other header fields, Received for example, are not regarded as addresses by this specification. NEW The affected header fields are Bcc, Cc, From, Reply-To, Resent-Bcc, Resent-Cc, Resent-From, Resent-Sender, Resent-To, Return-Path, Sender and To. Any addresses present in other header fields, such as Received, are not regarded as addresses by this specification. If you really want to use "for example", you have to do it this way (and I think it's more awkward): "Any addresses present in other header fields -- Received, for example -- are not regarded as addresses by this specification." In Section 3, version -05 introduced a typo, "nFETCH"; please fix that, because the RFC Editor won't know what to do with it. In Section 5, you aren't consistent in capitalizing header field names (which you do in the rest of the document): If any excised information is significant, then that information does not arrive at the recipient. Notably, the message-id, in-reference-to and/or references fields may be excised, which might cause a lack of context when the recipient reads the message. Please fix that (three field names); the RFC Editor won't. Also introduced in -05: OLD Some POP/IMAP clients delete the original message and use only the what they downloaded, Fetchmail is one well-known example. This may lead to permament loss of information. Apart from the spurious "the", the misspelling, and the comma splice, there's a general problem with how this paragraph explains the situation. I suggest this: NEW Some POP or IMAP clients, such as Fetchmail, download messages and delete the version on the server. This may lead to permanent loss of information when the only remaining version of a message is the downgraded one. While you're making changes: in section 7, just get the registry name right (which you pretty much have) and you don't have to babble at the RFC Editor: OLD The IANA is requested to add DOWNGRADED to the IMAP response code registry. (RFC editor: Please edit the previous paragraph suitably once the IANA has added the code. The registry is the one specified in RFC 5530.) NEW The IANA is requested to add DOWNGRADED to the IMAP Response Codes registry. ----------- That's it; the RFC Editor will sort out the rest of the language/grammar issues, so with the above changes I think this is ready to go. -- Barry From klensin@jck.com Mon Aug 13 08:22:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDE9E21F87AF for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 08:22:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.515 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.515 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.084, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8+X4P5eRlu2v for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 08:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (ns.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397CA21F8775 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 08:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.252.137.115] (helo=JcK-HP8200.jck.com) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1T0wMq-000Eoz-Ti; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:15:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:21:49 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: Barry Leiba , Arnt Gulbrandsen Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <20120813114739.1174.36751.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <5028EB24.5040500@gulbrandsen.priv.no> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: IMA Discussion Subject: Re: [EAI] New Version Notification - draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-06.txt X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:22:09 -0000 --On Monday, August 13, 2012 10:30 -0400 Barry Leiba wrote: >>> A new version (-06) has been submitted for >>> draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade: >>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-eai-simpledow >>> ngrade-06.txt > > The last paragraph of 2.1 doesn't set off "for example" > properly with commas, and because "Received" is a regular word > I'm afraid the RFC Editor might get it wrong. > > OLD > The affected header fields are Bcc, Cc, From, Reply-To, > Resent-Bcc, Resent-Cc, Resent-From, Resent-Sender, > Resent-To, Return-Path, Sender and To. Any addresses > present in other header fields, Received for example, are > not regarded as addresses by this specification. > > NEW > The affected header fields are Bcc, Cc, From, Reply-To, > Resent-Bcc, Resent-Cc, Resent-From, Resent-Sender, > Resent-To, Return-Path, Sender and To. Any addresses > present in other header fields, such as Received, are not > regarded as addresses by this specification. > > If you really want to use "for example", you have to do it > this way (and I think it's more awkward): "Any addresses > present in other header fields -- Received, for example -- are > not regarded as addresses by this specification." An alternate way to deal with this is to use the convention about header field names used in many other documents. That would turn the original paragraph into: The affected header fields are "Bcc:", "Cc:", "From:", "Reply-To:", "Resent-Bcc:", "Resent-Cc:", "Resent-From:", "Resent-Sender:", "Resent-To:", "Return-Path:", "Sender:" and "To:". Any addresses present in other header fields, "Received:" for example, are not regarded as addresses by this specification. Barry's suggestion about setting '"Received:" for example' off with dashes would further improve even that form, IMO. The choice is left to author discretion as far as I'm concerned. But I vaguely recall a recent debate with the RFC Editor about header field names and would predict that, if you go with the unquoted alternative, we will have questions to answer during the editing process. >... > ----------- > > That's it; the RFC Editor will sort out the rest of the > language/grammar issues, so with the above changes I think > this is ready to go. See above. best, john p.s. Barry, thanks for the careful checking. From barryleiba@gmail.com Mon Aug 13 09:17:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ECEE21F870A for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 09:17:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.042, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G4S+FFtEAJXA for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 09:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f44.google.com (mail-vb0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B35A21F86F3 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 09:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vbbez10 with SMTP id ez10so4011394vbb.31 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 09:17:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ntKgnAFzxCjZAw2yHED+L2Igcn8g3EHC5AAY49unwKs=; b=fbtNOd8Vsb+E7w1GdO2GHB0eUCdq6ZPKSiiodyA4VmpTHVF3MY+FHWeE5wDrNTzgoL e/qfdt4Dw/bM0RFecUY+FZDqBFiM7BTRzjRj36thvUli7LEtbGDgrc4IuXRZ3AFk6GCV +Jz8RwVqB4pBT547JoWahH0uwfgPktA1wxUOgpMLhv6inM5yRk7mDVwJVmur5DvunhL+ f1fy3aV1f4Zq2DHafQsvIHFuVTYT+y2j/ZXm0k2+bQC+1/ReTI+bX/Jcl+j8AESOh54Q U2rGeku5Q8J6RmLqvBjnKMrO1lMqqJcc8ooL9u0H9EiZxaZDEE8EMFl8HzhDbs+9qHyi MtUw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.36.33 with SMTP id n1mr436028vdj.27.1344874676610; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 09:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba@gmail.com Received: by 10.220.63.6 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 09:17:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20120813114739.1174.36751.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <5028EB24.5040500@gulbrandsen.priv.no> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:17:56 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: uby634oeAkv_oVz_MtlRbOGRIxs Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: John C Klensin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Arnt Gulbrandsen , IMA Discussion Subject: Re: [EAI] New Version Notification - draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-06.txt X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:17:58 -0000 > An alternate way to deal with this is to use the convention > about header field names used in many other documents. That > would turn the original paragraph into: > > The affected header fields are "Bcc:", "Cc:", "From:", Yeah, I really wanted to avoid the ugly gobs of quotation marks. If the RFC Editor will put them in anyway, we might as well. But if we can manage without them, I think the document will read better without them. Why don't we try? > present in other header fields, "Received:" for example, > are not regarded as addresses by this specification. > > Barry's suggestion about setting '"Received:" for example' off > with dashes would further improve even that form, IMO. I think it's quite necessary, actually. Consider this sentence: I have a lot of friends, John for example. That's simply wrong. First, it's a comma splice (a form of a run-on sentence), and second, "for example" itself needs to be separated from "John" by a comma. That's why I think the long-dash isn't just nice, but necessary: I have a lot of friends -- John, for example. In any case, as long as we fix it so it's unambiguous, the RFC Editor will take care of the fine grammatical points. I'm just worried about what the RFC Editor might not quite understand. So, yes, adding all those icky quotation marks will make it clear. b From klensin@jck.com Mon Aug 13 09:35:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B5D221F8594 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 09:35:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.082, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kxoKl713KfSO for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 09:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (ns.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E346421F858E for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 09:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.252.137.115] (helo=JcK-HP8200.jck.com) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1T0xVb-000Ezi-Ao; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:28:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:34:56 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: Barry Leiba Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <20120813114739.1174.36751.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <5028EB24.5040500@gulbrandsen.priv.no> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Arnt Gulbrandsen , IMA Discussion Subject: Re: [EAI] New Version Notification - draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-06.txt X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:35:12 -0000 --On Monday, August 13, 2012 12:17 -0400 Barry Leiba wrote: >> An alternate way to deal with this is to use the convention >> about header field names used in many other documents. That >> would turn the original paragraph into: >> >> The affected header fields are "Bcc:", "Cc:", "From:", > > Yeah, I really wanted to avoid the ugly gobs of quotation > marks. If the RFC Editor will put them in anyway, we might as > well. But if we can manage without them, I think the document > will read better without them. Why don't we try? Wfm. As with other things, I'm much happier going into the review and editing process with "we discussed that, and...". >> present in other header fields, "Received:" for >> example, are not regarded as addresses by this >> specification. >> >> Barry's suggestion about setting '"Received:" for example' off >> with dashes would further improve even that form, IMO. > > I think it's quite necessary, actually. Consider this > sentence: > > I have a lot of friends, John for example. > > That's simply wrong. First, it's a comma splice (a form of a > run-on sentence), and second, "for example" itself needs to be > separated from "John" by a comma. That's why I think the > long-dash isn't just nice, but necessary: > > I have a lot of friends -- John, for example. Indeed. The original sentence read badly to me for other reasons and I would have preferred, using this example, I have a lot of friends including, for example, John. or, using the original sentence, Any addresses present in other header fields such as "Received:" are not regarded as addresses by this specification. with the question of whether there should be commas around 'such as "Received:"' (and before "including," is part of another discussion (the RFC Editor would probably say "yes"). But I think this is a matter that would be certain to be spotted and fixed by the RFC Editor so, other than getting rid of the original (and clearly incorrect) sentence, I think this can be left to author discretion and to them. john > In any case, as long as we fix it so it's unambiguous, the RFC > Editor will take care of the fine grammatical points. I'm > just worried about what the RFC Editor might not quite > understand. So, yes, adding all those icky quotation marks > will make it clear. > > b From arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no Mon Aug 13 13:59:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEBE421F867F for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:59:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.564 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.564 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.035, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lFMIdP7r-opK for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from strange.aox.org (strange.aox.org [IPv6:2001:4d88:100c::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2552821F8671 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by strange.aox.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20550FA03ED; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no by fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpsa id 1344891547-16224-16223/10/2; Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:59:07 +0000 Message-Id: <50296AA3.8010409@gulbrandsen.priv.no> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:59:15 +0200 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ima@ietf.org References: <20120813114739.1174.36751.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <5028EB24.5040500@gulbrandsen.priv.no> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Subject: Re: [EAI] New Version Notification - draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-06.txt X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:59:09 -0000 On 08/13/2012 05:21 PM, John C Klensin wrote: > An alternate way to deal with this is to use the convention > about header field names used in many other documents. That > would turn the original paragraph into: ... would turn the paragraph into something rather foreign. We (the audience for the RFC) don't usually quote field names when writing to each other, so why should an RFC? Barry: I'm too tired to attend to your mail tonight. Arnt From internet-drafts@ietf.org Tue Aug 14 13:11:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC2521F8621; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:11:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.422 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.422 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.177, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8OaWd6Y9RrcN; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D34321E8063; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:11:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.33 Message-ID: <20120814201115.9083.78431.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:11:15 -0700 Cc: ima@ietf.org Subject: [EAI] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-07.txt X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:11:16 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Email Address Internationalization Workin= g Group of the IETF. Title : Simplified POP/IMAP Downgrading for Internationalized Em= ail Author(s) : Arnt Gulbrandsen Filename : draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-07.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2012-08-14 Abstract: This document specifies a method for IMAP and POP servers to serve internationalized messages to conventional clients. The specification is simple, easy to implement and provides only rudimentary results. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-07 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Tue Aug 14 14:04:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA3521E80B0 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:04:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.017 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.017 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.041, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6itOiVKlZDhT for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F3C21E809D for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lbbgg6 with SMTP id gg6so527228lbb.31 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:04:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Z06iqMkDdyhQDZcu09404AMq5BbJRxxup6/rwS8G/ig=; b=i1tZclXAtMy2YXRb3vV7h3TykaRFhl4DNQi8DTOf2USmKmPioWMcsIFMpAV7AkQp0J qub5ZsfaBPwLcCOT84Ce0Ksk7u3Zs1WsADvv7QxT7EdZ6GCDKckS0bCyDBxRfnOlQ96v yCa0pLVvwfZvkg1N1ftmfm74m3MLVIO4QksZ2XumzNr/tMozzqDnOniq3PXFKgXKjmVg uB1sI+hDt/Hl+wnM5oOaMu7KfkEvdzAD7IJpZqAkR4IWRI7jFiYgtCYW+C0sCEqGChEx C7GLS/pT54+LqQaCsG+RTsoPy6aIXafqOx1jOjlc5wmv0kiZu+aOHCF3vVPpMP9Hm/If eIcw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.46.136 with SMTP id v8mr4387118lbm.5.1344978261341; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.113.196 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:04:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120814201115.9083.78431.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20120814201115.9083.78431.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:04:21 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: uISwgtdJ3gyVipJRkpS-V92JefQ Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: "ima@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554d22a7f77da04c7402721 Subject: Re: [EAI] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-07.txt X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:04:23 -0000 --bcaec554d22a7f77da04c7402721 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Text changes from Barry Leiba. I hate case sensitivity in human > language, but right now I need to pack my suitcases, not argue. Ah, well, waddyagonnado? 'tis a fact of life. You can hate the moon, but it's not going away. This version's ready to ship. Barry --bcaec554d22a7f77da04c7402721 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Ah, well, waddyagonnado? =A0'tis a fact o= f life. =A0You can hate the moon, but it's not going away.
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 --bcaec554d22a7f77da04c7402721-- From arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no Tue Aug 14 14:58:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF5D421E80B7 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:58:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.565 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.565 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.034, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tkcTfIHcSxMB for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from strange.aox.org (strange.aox.org [IPv6:2001:4d88:100c::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAAF21E8050 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by strange.aox.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D55AF8D3E1; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:58:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no by fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpsa id 1344981488-16224-16223/10/8; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:58:08 +0000 Message-Id: <502AC9FA.6070307@gulbrandsen.priv.no> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:58:18 +0200 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ima@ietf.org References: <20120814201115.9083.78431.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Subject: Re: [EAI] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-07.txt X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:58:11 -0000 On 08/14/2012 11:04 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: > Ah, well, waddyagonnado? 'tis a fact of life. You can hate the moon, > but it's not going away. Sometimes it's a fact of time, more often it can be argued. If you want I'll argue it after my vacation, which starts tomorrow. Network access will be excellent, but perhaps not too often used. Arnt From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Tue Aug 14 15:09:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7FE21E80BB for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:09:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.017 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.017 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.040, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OB84GG06bxGS for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9DF21E80BE for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lbbgg6 with SMTP id gg6so554398lbb.31 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:09:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=NqkiEtxtEFy+Nvw0tZtLG4UCj7Cdi/XZQIxJxKLe+II=; b=dSujO44q9FFh1WKJV8CeMEE7VoKGDlptvbJUeTVda0rYPyWxZhEvNtcBIoQ3n8g9ov 624muyfn6r9zeYH1iqwol2gxEtY18McBs7q+6W/Z55r7zQLVf+E5e4+17Eh2zdbHhw7H Lc0v3xaFOLnZuQc5TYdwLNtOmJ5TGdI+iK+LbIoGKHWuZQd/5Ks2MUJh/kv+qfWWJlsw voaqy+AZw8Ce1l7wfpfMoh7c3QLfvLc/du5lfnXJqa/pCPfGCjVsnVm3vKM0m6zW27A5 GlJoP2tCSwBFMu4F16kBYR6VY0ukwnz7P6JRqYYeEBpL4ltS20Y8ZSyEwN7zqwiE5gwt u1fw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.112.136 with SMTP id iq8mr13914302lab.18.1344982192868; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.113.196 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:09:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <502AC9FA.6070307@gulbrandsen.priv.no> References: <20120814201115.9083.78431.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <502AC9FA.6070307@gulbrandsen.priv.no> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 18:09:52 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: zHjxrzE4mgbNN8Z-jvR5MBK_Ijs Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: Arnt Gulbrandsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: ima@ietf.org Subject: Re: [EAI] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-07.txt X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:09:54 -0000 > If you want I'll argue it Nah. > after my vacation, which starts tomorrow. Enjoy. b From iesg-secretary@ietf.org Wed Aug 15 13:54:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24C1311E80CC; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:54:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.527 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.527 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.072, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QBaC0NCBk8lx; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:54:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0C711E8098; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:54:51 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.33 Message-ID: <20120815205451.9633.43183.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:54:51 -0700 Cc: ima@ietf.org Subject: [EAI] Last Call: (Mailing Lists and non-ASCII Addresses) to Informational RFC X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 20:54:52 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Email Address Internationalization WG (eai) to consider the following document: - 'Mailing Lists and non-ASCII Addresses' as Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2012-08-29. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document describes considerations for mailing lists with the introduction of non-ASCII UTF-8 email addresses. It outlines some possible scenarios for handling lists with mixtures of non-ASCII and traditional addresses, but does not specify protocol changes or offer implementation or deployment advice. *NOTE TO REVIEWERS: Missing or odd-looking references between sections are due to bugs in xml2rfc. The XML is OK, and the HTML output looks reasonable.* The file can be obtained via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eai-mailinglistbis/ IESG discussion can be tracked via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eai-mailinglistbis/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From jyee@afilias.info Wed Aug 22 12:15:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A0F21F8648 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:15:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.72 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.72 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.743, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lm-RZIOKq1tP for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:15:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outbound.afilias.info (outbound.afilias.info [66.199.183.4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC68721F85EA for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms5.on1.afilias-ops.info ([10.109.8.9] helo=smtp.afilias.info) by outbound.afilias.info with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T4GP0-0003Vj-6I for ima@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:15:42 +0000 Received: from mail-pb0-f43.google.com ([209.85.160.43]) by smtp.afilias.info with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T4GP0-0002BO-5u for ima@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:15:42 +0000 Received: by pbbrq2 with SMTP id rq2so1803759pbb.2 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:15:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=pugu4EnBe8IXwlE7/Zsr4TupDEpqOPQGoMcmp4KsWvs=; b=AAPhGRd+2roo3I1uA3+6r5tc5UHn0LRg9tKvXqP3zV8oLZZCxTZmhAEVK5DjhwklLS R4HnfScuqR+h7Qu813ftipQV5z+/Uiff1KKpQSslLlzt0Xyr//nWyqbhCh21h8iPr4pO 6C1YbV+3S4Cad1QWXWbGM9HENrV0jA8F//AHwGDI4jSyZ3kHiB6bU668DG/BiZ/jzz34 gm2Bh88RxklWozGSz7vItpUICM17dIay77Gd6QhncZAPtM3zzotqjlSWGUfWYrwhLQPw ifq3UxHNa9GBt+h00suPRlORz/Fn/6gxDbe+FuE42AERKUHR2FYvJrlf5VMmD3aOAJLq L4Vw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.237.74 with SMTP id va10mr55572053pbc.46.1345662936993; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.11.105 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:15:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: Joseph Yee To: EAI WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkus2ZikDTOMMAPIKL5/ww/0X3v68Wh3+bg6YP7fMNcZOjzQUCCUJiPsrWtj1G/t8xtbhCJ Subject: [EAI] IETF 84 EAI Minutes Uploaded X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:15:47 -0000 All, The minutes of IETF84 uploaded and available at URL below: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/minutes/minutes-84-eai Text also available below. Please advise of any corrections needed. Regards, Joseph -------- EAI (IETF 84) Meeting Minutes IETF 84 Vancouver 2012-08-02 09:00 AM Chairs: John Klensin Joseph Yee Scribe: JianKang Yao Agenda bashing: no changes Summary: Mailing List bis: (draft-ietf-eai-mailinglistbis) Ready for IESG review, no objections during meeting Next 4 drafts - POP, IMAP, Downgrade-Display, Simple-Downgrade-Display: (draft-ietf-eai-rfc5721bis-06) (draft-ietf-eai-5738bis-06) (draft-ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade-06) (draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-05) Chair asked if any objection to send these 4 drafts to last call, no objection to any of them Chair asked and confirmed that no need to distribute shepherd reports before submitting to IESG Discussion of the draft of empty group syntax: (draft-leiba-5322upd-from-group-03) John Levine has summary of how some current mail clients managed empty group syntax, will distribute to EAI and ietf-822 mailing lists Mailto: The issue is complex, and we are concerned whether the WG has energy (and enough subject matter experts on URI/IRI and other issues) to review the draft. AD Pete Resnick is concerned about possible EAI work on mailto, and agreed that mailto is not necessary to be handled in EAI. There are discussions of impact if mailto dropped from EAI, all agreed that IRI issues must be settled as prerequisite for IRI-mailto specification. Some suggested that IRI adopt the mailto draft and write an informational draft documenting issues between internationalization and mailto, but that is not EAI's decision to make. [Decision] Tentative agreement that EAI will not work on mailto. [Action] Chair will bring this tentative agreement to mailing list for consensus. Presentation: EAI deployment in China & Concerns from software and service providers (YAO, JianKang) Many showed interest if there was another demo event. Some discussion on Sent Messages. Advice Doc and WG: [Decision] Best to leave some time for implementation and deployment experiences before moving advice docs forward [Decision] WG will be suspended or killed after the 4 core drafts and mailinglist-bis published. It will be reopened when there are more implementation, deployment, and operation experiences. WG mailing list will remain open. [Decision] EAI will not have WG session in next the IETF meeting (IETF85, Atlanta) ------ From jyee@afilias.info Wed Aug 22 12:56:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E7E21F86AA for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:56:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.667 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.667 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.690, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eO7oQhK2rP9S for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outbound.afilias.info (outbound.afilias.info [66.199.183.4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B2F21F86B6 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms5.on1.afilias-ops.info ([10.109.8.9] helo=smtp.afilias.info) by outbound.afilias.info with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T4H27-0005eN-3I for ima@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:56:07 +0000 Received: from mail-pb0-f43.google.com ([209.85.160.43]) by smtp.afilias.info with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T4H26-0003Qt-69 for ima@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:56:06 +0000 Received: by pbbrq2 with SMTP id rq2so1844638pbb.2 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:56:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=lG0sZ2Og7H+sDFW2N1/SYRbqe5M6V9M1/mEfzzylgQs=; b=D35WbkidQMIMIL9lgfZdPcO/ls8IWjKeHp8R0b2ol5YLdMynxnXSNvB4CAHZ5aSsDx YqX5hQYsMOxJeeNwXe6H/ZzLNc3DY0yZ+ZKdXbzYwEv1GdayvQS8z2A+nigVREg/5n+g E/KrdVjoKENs9Q879EJfkFYLrAt3bZ9Q4ttNC2O2K9RqApuTlpOJmEyOWjVTNX4vFphJ 3Wh36waFMUlJ4FnzbZmU2Ub+U+y2aCuaFVeHKK/cHCSEgAA++GrNsrpIL0s6/75oim7W 06WFyOzbZH2GgbtfvZ7VivGHuDUeelB8RhFxt8CZR1bJeI8lTs8wizprMc39MQTyhhsL 0scg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.66.76.106 with SMTP id j10mr48335649paw.51.1345665361048; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.11.105 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:56:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: Joseph Yee To: EAI WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmzwQ7ox+FGIR9mw5hFDE9UuUiN0vbP0YkltxjjZAYlAUrP/5/oneP5yiHfDPoXk5mtV13f Subject: [EAI] EAI Consensus Call on mailto draft X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:56:08 -0000 All, Based on WG discussion at IETF84 (see minutes: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/minutes/minutes-84-eai), there's a tentative agreement during meeting for EAI not to take on mailto draft. The chairs are looking for broad consensus in the working group. Please use this thread for discussion. The end date of discussion is August 29, 2012 20:00 UTC and consensus will be announced afterwards. Regards John & Joseph From jyee@afilias.info Wed Aug 22 14:39:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB2621F862B for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:39:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.621 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.621 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.644, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id quu8oN1Xl1EW for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outbound.afilias.info (outbound.afilias.info [66.199.183.4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DDD721F8625 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms5.on1.afilias-ops.info ([10.109.8.9] helo=smtp.afilias.info) by outbound.afilias.info with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T4Idl-000160-46 for ima@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:39:05 +0000 Received: from mail-pb0-f43.google.com ([209.85.160.43]) by smtp.afilias.info with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T4Idl-0005xH-3j for ima@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:39:05 +0000 Received: by pbbrq2 with SMTP id rq2so72873pbb.2 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:38:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=FFPid03qF9Kao11bHz7QvBMiwV5Ms6MVNFBa7IF8QW8=; b=f2nI0WaCQaeNRp6eWVCfMRmJydsCyROLqOE/7K+rJ+NAqS8yO20DGIl8+qMwBTWdqp 1ybkDmBcNRCrNtaB745pc4LEw4/6x5T+tyCZyXJXOjFdeY7G1EakMNok6a4IWYy2zv1H kHJQZJM8RGhcbxjIcmjQcnC/9oNQ4ft/Qo8414POTWy3aUrGrYSphKVTxvjgnFW3tgqJ 4EFLFpAYqSwUE5DUMyrsbl0UKfC/QAhbCiAfPTvaaDnDGUIwkZtVCumNBeWoyHmZWP7T 4KZClws2ufbAWknjV654cmkEQtGDprl+5sDi+yO9VeaDKuKUZgjeqxoQ8gjQnGx6/Qhz nb1g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.219.226 with SMTP id pr2mr56043258pbc.1.1345671539382; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.11.105 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:38:59 -0400 Message-ID: From: Joseph Yee To: EAI WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlUEAJWHS1FGi5/etl+vKd3HxxL055meWRyHJs5HiiRlZx+dCT/dnvi2KJlsKDuol0Ink6W Subject: [EAI] Minutes of EAI Interim Meeting at May 14, 2012 X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:39:07 -0000 All, The minutes of EAI Interim Meeting held at May 14, 2012 is available at URL below. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2012/05/14/eai/minutes/minutes-interim-2012-eai-1 Text also available below. Regards, Joseph -------- Meeting Minutes and Summary of EAI Jabber Interim Meeting May 14, 2012 The summary below was organized by topic and document; it only loosely reflects the order of the meeting discussion. A summary of critical-path issues for the WG was posted to the mailing list just before the meeting started: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ima/current/msg04787.html. The Jabber log for the meeting is at http://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs/eai/2012-05-14.html There was a general discussion about whether the EAI POP and IMAP documents should be shown as updating the associated base specifications (RFCs ???? and 3501 respectively). The conclusion, after much circling around, was that they are extensions that actually don't update or change the base documents. However, the question of whether extension specifications update base document is really a matter for the IESG to decide and shepherd's reports will reflect that observation. Regarding IMAP-UTF8 draft - IMAP LANG will return language list in no specific order. - IMAP LANG will not return 'default' in the language list. - IMAP use ENABLE to manage mode switch -- no additional commands or options to support partial UTF-8 header field or address capability. - As a result, the UTF8 parameters were dropped from SELECT, EXAMINE, LIST, LSUB, hence all of the related responses as well - New text suggested dealing with text about transitions and downgrading by concentrating the discussion into this draft (to be referenced from the POP-UTF8 one) after as much text as possible has been moved into the downgrade documents. The idea of removing as much transitional text as possible to the downgrade documents was to avoid clutter once EAI capability is widely deployed. Group at interim meeting supported this approach and the general outline for proposed text. Regarding both downgrade drafts - Neither downgrade drafts will update RFC5322, RFC3501 - Downgrade docs will not critique each other: the WG's conclusion is that they may be appropriate under different circumstances and that yet other circumstances may call for yet other approaches (such as simply refusing to deliver an extended message to a legacy client). The WG does not believe it would be productive to try to create a case analysis of which techniques would be most appropriate under which circumstances at least until some experience accumulates (and possibly ever because the decisions may be determined by local operational circumstances). - There is no WG consensus to try to use ".invalid" email addresses in the downgrade process. A separate email will be sent to the WG mailing list about this issue. - Both downgrade drafts will publish as Proposed Standard, with PROTO write up addressing the rationale. Regarding approach to downgrade and empty group at "From:" - A suggestion made about writing a 'mini-doc' that updates RFC 5322 and specifies the use of an empty group in "FROM:". The suggestion will be brought to the mailing list for further discussion even though this WG is probably not the right place to process that specification. If agreed, Barry Leiba and John Klensin will try for first rough draft. ------ From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Wed Aug 22 16:56:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9D121F8653 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:56:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.005 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.005 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SrMfN-U5h165 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FC621F8648 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lahm15 with SMTP id m15so93567lah.31 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:56:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=hAcOZm11ryz9MtDLjxCOnhTHD2YuFmqklgsQvW4puS8=; b=zmGmY+sc7UtjmHmt0kfviXJnhBD6yO/d5noxUabweYcZSgFim7MS4g0AVTxpUBz9XR kfsNe0GxL/Z/dAI6vEW15JhQIhLhiA/+tDTuAW3R55YE9/o715XVvjIrydhhWdL6v3oH gOstfwGT5KUXBC3iPWle9+grvQnEigxUJ+L54xzcuvSrGlkxOJOX4nOUcORw3l6Rflc1 milv4qWb4/Ipd5Nr/DoxD67Hn3CHvRnJCS4MZKDxPZ6AXkbiGcOIDtA9cI/gGHRDfsfR sOSx551usha1I3/lTOQmTy3qiBlTsz8jOsMrQsO/d3Pl0SWg94yiCsTlz/PHVdArQco8 MKfA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.10.198 with SMTP id k6mr10192158lbb.83.1345679797592; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.113.196 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:56:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:56:37 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Coh-vK3ytWV8B3YZa91A2ZvVySk Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: Joseph Yee Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe350251247a04c7e37ef4 Cc: EAI WG Subject: Re: [EAI] EAI Consensus Call on mailto draft X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:56:39 -0000 --e0cb4efe350251247a04c7e37ef4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Indeed; I do not see the energy nor interest to do it. Let's not. Barry, participant On Wednesday, August 22, 2012, Joseph Yee wrote: > All, > > Based on WG discussion at IETF84 (see minutes: > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/minutes/minutes-84-eai), there's a > tentative agreement during meeting for EAI not to take on mailto > draft. The chairs are looking for broad consensus in the working > group. > > Please use this thread for discussion. The end date of discussion is > August 29, 2012 20:00 UTC and consensus will be announced afterwards. > > Regards > John & Joseph > _______________________________________________ > IMA mailing list > IMA@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ima > --e0cb4efe350251247a04c7e37ef4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Indeed; I do not see the energy nor interest to do it. =A0Let's not.
Barry, participant

On Wednesday, Augus= t 22, 2012, Joseph Yee wrote:
All,

Based on WG discussion at IETF84 (see minutes:
http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/minutes/minutes-84-eai)= , there's a
tentative agreement during meeting for EAI not to take on mailto
draft. =A0The chairs are looking for broad consensus in the working
group.

Please use this thread for discussion. =A0The end date of discussion is
August 29, 2012 20:00 UTC and consensus will be announced afterwards.

Regards
John & Joseph
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--e0cb4efe350251247a04c7e37ef4-- From arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no Thu Aug 23 01:31:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8141D21F854A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 01:31:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.565 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.565 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.034, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i9B7w1KDtn1R for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 01:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from strange.aox.org (strange.aox.org [IPv6:2001:4d88:100c::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED3FE21F8549 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 01:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by strange.aox.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59675F8E82D; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:31:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no by fri.gulbrandsen.priv.no (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpsa id 1345710678-22818-22817/11/16; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:31:18 +0000 Message-Id: <5035EA55.60901@gulbrandsen.priv.no> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:31:17 +0200 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120615 Thunderbird/13.0.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ima@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Subject: Re: [EAI] EAI Consensus Call on mailto draft X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:31:21 -0000 I couldn't stomach spending effort on that draft, even though I know quite a bit about all the areas whoever listed during the WG meeting. IMO, if the rules are too complex to be done in three lines of perl, they're too complex, because three lines of perl is what they'll get. Maybe four of there's example code in the draft. And the thought of fighting over complexity limits is... not very inspiring. Arnt From klensin@jck.com Thu Aug 23 07:43:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE07D21F855D for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:43:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.508 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.508 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.091, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e1hKpx74MGRY for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (ns.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B86521F8559 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:43:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.252.137.115] (helo=JcK-HP8200.jck.com) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1T4Ycw-000PBr-QR; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:43:18 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:43:13 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: Arnt Gulbrandsen , ima@ietf.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5035EA55.60901@gulbrandsen.priv.no> References: <5035EA55.60901@gulbrandsen.priv.no> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: [EAI] EAI Consensus Call on mailto draft X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:43:30 -0000 --On Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:31 +0200 Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > I couldn't stomach spending effort on that draft, even though > I know quite a bit about all the areas whoever listed during > the WG meeting. > > IMO, if the rules are too complex to be done in three lines of > perl, they're too complex, because three lines of perl is what > they'll get. Maybe four of there's example code in the draft. > And the thought of fighting over complexity limits is... not > very inspiring. Speaking personally only... your observation about complexity exactly captures my feelings on the matter. john From internet-drafts@ietf.org Thu Aug 30 18:52:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CDE21F84F9; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:52:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WLY6lpuk+YFi; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0FD921F84DF; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:52:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20120831015231.27371.39742.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:52:31 -0700 Cc: ima@ietf.org Subject: [EAI] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eai-5738bis-08.txt X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 01:52:32 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Email Address Internationalization Workin= g Group of the IETF. Title : IMAP Support for UTF-8 Author(s) : Pete Resnick Chris Newman Sean Shen Filename : draft-ietf-eai-5738bis-08.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2012-08-30 Abstract: This specification extends the Internet Message Access Protocol version 4rev1 (IMAP4rev1) to support UTF-8 encoded international characters in user names, mail addresses and message headers. This specification replaces RFC 5738. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eai-5738bis There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eai-5738bis-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-eai-5738bis-08 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From internet-drafts@ietf.org Thu Aug 30 20:40:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EEE711E80DE; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:40:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.488 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.488 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.111, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jbc5Yr2Pmxm6; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A9511E80EC; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:40:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20120831034030.26098.87104.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:40:30 -0700 Cc: ima@ietf.org Subject: [EAI] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eai-5738bis-09.txt X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 03:40:30 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Email Address Internationalization Workin= g Group of the IETF. Title : IMAP Support for UTF-8 Author(s) : Pete Resnick Chris Newman Sean Shen Filename : draft-ietf-eai-5738bis-09.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2012-08-30 Abstract: This specification extends the Internet Message Access Protocol version 4rev1 (IMAP4rev1) to support UTF-8 encoded international characters in user names, mail addresses and message headers. This specification replaces RFC 5738. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eai-5738bis There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eai-5738bis-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-eai-5738bis-09 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/