From klensin@jck.com Thu Nov 1 08:16:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D684421F8DF0 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 08:16:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MBLy+-UWqdCW for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 08:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (ns.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43C4521F8DED for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 08:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.252.137.115] (helo=JcK-HP8200.jck.com) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1TTwVk-000A9q-Cp for ima@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Nov 2012 11:16:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 11:16:43 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: ima@ietf.org Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [EAI] FWD: Help the NomCom (corrected version) X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 15:16:50 -0000 ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Date: Thursday, November 01, 2012 05:17 -0700 From: NomCom Chair To: Working Group Chairs Subject: CORRECTION: Help the NomCom I sent a message several hours ago requesting that you help and make your working group aware that the NomCom is looking for input from the community. This message had a minor error. The NomCom needs to receive community input by November 11, 2012. The full text of the corrected message is below --------------------------------------------------- The IETF Nominations Committee (NomCom) continues to seek input from the IETF Community. The NomCom would greatly appreciate any help you could provide in making members of your working group aware of ways in which they can provide valuable feedback to the NomCom. In order to ensure that your input is received in time to be useful, the NomCom needs to receive community feedback on or before Sunday, November 11. The final list of candidates (as per RFC 5680) that the NomCom is considering for open positions can be found at: https://www.ietf.org/group/nomcom/2012/input/ The NomCom will be holding office hours during IETF 85, Monday- Thursday from 1:00pm to 3:00pm in Room 305. The NomCom welcomes comments on specific individuals, as well as general feedback related to any of the positions that NomCom is considering. Note: A list of leadership positions that the NomCom is considering can be found at: https://www.ietf.org/group/nomcom/2012/ If the NomCom office hours are inconvenient for you or if you cannot attend IETF 85, the NomCom is happy to take community input via email to nomcom12 at ietf.org. Additionally, the NomCom is happy to arrange a meeting outside of office hours, just send us email and we can set something up. Comments on specific candidates can also be provided to the NomCom via the web feedback tool: https://www.ietf.org/group/nomcom/2012/input/ Thank you for your help, - Matt Lepinski nomcom-chair at ietf.org ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- From klensin@jck.com Tue Nov 6 13:46:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85E021F8B14 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:46:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.577 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.577 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.022, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MGrvyV0fm0Av for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:45:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (bsa2.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C5521F84BE for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:45:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([::1]) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1TVqxv-000OtG-M1 for ima@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 16:45:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 16:45:46 -0500 From: John C Klensin To: ima@ietf.org Message-ID: <1A77AC3332E7BA48F33AA25B@JCK-EEE10> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [EAI] draft-ietf-eai-5738bis (IMAP)) UTF8=* issues X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:46:01 -0000 Hi. Barry, Pete, Joseph, and I met early in the week and have the following proposal to resolve the IMAP UTF8=* issue. (1) The server may advertise either UTF8=ACCEPT or UTF8=ONLY (no change). (2) The client may announce either "ENABLE UTF8=ACCEPT" or nothing (there is no "ENABLE UTF8=ONLY" option; if sent, it is likely to be ignored by the server). (3) If the server announces "UTF8=ONLY", a client that does not support UTF-8 header material but recognizes the capability announcement is expected to abandon the connection. More important, a client that sends almost any command other than "ENABLE UTF8=ACCEPT" will get an error response from the server. In other words, a server announcement of UTF8=ONLY is equivalent to "this server won't tolerate legacy clients at all". "Doesn't support downgrading" is a corollary to that. Details are in the actual -11 text, which should be posted shortly. The agenda for Friday is a discussion of this change and, unless other proposals are posted, the motivation for it and its approval. Anyone wanting to disagree with the change and, especially, to make a different proposal, should get their concerns and proposal posted to this list by tomorrow evening. That schedule is chosen to allow anyone who is not in Atlanta to post their comments to the list on Thursday so that we can discuss them Friday morning. Note that this issue has been discussed sufficiently and is posted to the mailing list now. My expectation is that the WG will reach a conclusion Friday morning, that Joseph or I will post a summary sometime Friday, and that we will then take objections from the list, if any, until Monday (cutoff at 2359 UT Monday evening). If there are no significant objections, we will hand this document back to the ADs for what I hope will be final IESG signoff. best, john From wwwrun@rfc-editor.org Tue Nov 6 13:52:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3453221F8AF1; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:52:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.331 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.331 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.269, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qJSjMF8NURUH; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:52:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 355F121F8AEF; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:52:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 46C18B1E008; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:45:48 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20121106214548.46C18B1E008@rfc-editor.org> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:45:48 -0800 (PST) Cc: ima@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [EAI] RFC 6783 on Mailing Lists and Non-ASCII Addresses X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:52:20 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6783 Title: Mailing Lists and Non-ASCII Addresses Author: J. Levine, R. Gellens Status: Informational Stream: IETF Date: November 2012 Mailbox: standards@taugh.com, rg+ietf@qti.qualcomm.com Pages: 9 Characters: 21960 Obsoletes: RFC5983 I-D Tag: draft-ietf-eai-mailinglistbis-05.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6783.txt This document describes considerations for mailing lists with the introduction of non-ASCII UTF-8 email addresses. It outlines some possible scenarios for handling lists with mixtures of non-ASCII and traditional addresses but does not specify protocol changes or offer implementation or deployment advice. This document is a product of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF). This document is a product of the Email Address Internationalization Working Group of the IETF. INFORMATIONAL: This memo provides information for the Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From internet-drafts@ietf.org Tue Nov 6 14:08:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB0121F8B72; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 14:08:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EG3Tuom+t8v3; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 14:08:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9097821F8B83; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 14:08:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.35 Message-ID: <20121106220850.11350.39596.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:08:50 -0800 Cc: ima@ietf.org Subject: [EAI] I-D Action: draft-ietf-eai-5738bis-11.txt X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 22:08:51 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Email Address Internationalization Workin= g Group of the IETF. Title : IMAP Support for UTF-8 Author(s) : Pete Resnick Chris Newman Sean Shen Filename : draft-ietf-eai-5738bis-11.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2012-11-06 Abstract: This specification extends the Internet Message Access Protocol version 4rev1 (IMAP4rev1) to support UTF-8 encoded international characters in user names, mail addresses and message headers. This specification replaces RFC 5738. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eai-5738bis There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eai-5738bis-11 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-eai-5738bis-11 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp Wed Nov 7 21:55:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 154C021F8A69 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2012 21:55:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.174 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.174 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.384, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GMPEFaC-FSoY for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2012 21:55:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from scintmta01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (scintmta01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp [133.2.253.33]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9725021F8A5D for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2012 21:55:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from scmse02.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp ([133.2.253.231]) by scintmta01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (secret/secret) with SMTP id qA85tO8R019062 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 14:55:25 +0900 Received: from (unknown [133.2.206.133]) by scmse02.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp with smtp id 7c7b_7e4f_e3770ea8_2968_11e2_a39a_001d096c5782; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 14:55:24 +0900 Received: from [IPv6:::1] ([133.2.210.1]:43277) by itmail.it.aoyama.ac.jp with [XMail 1.22 ESMTP Server] id for from ; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 14:55:26 +0900 Message-ID: <509B4947.1060600@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 14:55:19 +0900 From: =?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiBKLiBEw7xyc3Qi?= Organization: Aoyama Gakuin University User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John C Klensin References: <1A77AC3332E7BA48F33AA25B@JCK-EEE10> In-Reply-To: <1A77AC3332E7BA48F33AA25B@JCK-EEE10> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ima@ietf.org Subject: Re: [EAI] draft-ietf-eai-5738bis (IMAP)) UTF8=* issues X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 05:55:34 -0000 I haven't seen any comments on this on the mailing list (there may have been plenty in the hallways in Atlanta). I may not have much time to check my mail before the actual meeting. I support the direction as explained below. It makes a very good distinction between "only the new way" (suited for closed lock-step upgrade situations) and "old or new is okay" (ideal for mixed deployment situations). Regards, Martin. On 2012/11/07 6:45, John C Klensin wrote: > Hi. > > Barry, Pete, Joseph, and I met early in the week and have the > following proposal to resolve the IMAP UTF8=* issue. > > (1) The server may advertise either UTF8=ACCEPT or UTF8=ONLY (no > change). > > (2) The client may announce either "ENABLE UTF8=ACCEPT" or > nothing (there is no "ENABLE UTF8=ONLY" option; if sent, it is > likely to be ignored by the server). > > (3) If the server announces "UTF8=ONLY", a client that does not > support UTF-8 header material but recognizes the capability > announcement is expected to abandon the connection. More > important, a client that sends almost any command other than > "ENABLE UTF8=ACCEPT" will get an error response from the server. > > In other words, a server announcement of UTF8=ONLY is equivalent > to "this server won't tolerate legacy clients at all". "Doesn't > support downgrading" is a corollary to that. > > Details are in the actual -11 text, which should be posted > shortly. > > The agenda for Friday is a discussion of this change and, unless > other proposals are posted, the motivation for it and its > approval. Anyone wanting to disagree with the change and, > especially, to make a different proposal, should get their > concerns and proposal posted to this list by tomorrow evening. > That schedule is chosen to allow anyone who is not in Atlanta to > post their comments to the list on Thursday so that we can > discuss them Friday morning. > > Note that this issue has been discussed sufficiently and is > posted to the mailing list now. My expectation is that the WG > will reach a conclusion Friday morning, that Joseph or I will > post a summary sometime Friday, and that we will then take > objections from the list, if any, until Monday (cutoff at 2359 > UT Monday evening). If there are no significant objections, we > will hand this document back to the ADs for what I hope will be > final IESG signoff. > > best, > john > > _______________________________________________ > IMA mailing list > IMA@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ima > From klensin@jck.com Fri Nov 9 03:33:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A83FF21F84C6 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 03:33:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.584 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.584 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 34OvZoy96+dx for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 03:33:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (bsa2.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF50621F84C4 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 03:33:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([::1]) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1TWmqO-0005MP-3k for ima@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 06:33:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 06:33:51 -0500 From: John C Klensin To: ima@ietf.org Message-ID: <49AF374601CBE1A0513DAF28@JCK-EEE10> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [EAI] EAI meeting in circa 2 1/2 hours X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 11:33:53 -0000 Hi. I note that we have received exactly zero comments on the proposed new text and the same number of requests to speak or present alternatives. I expect that this will be a _really_ short meeting. This is just a personal opinion but, if I were participating remotely from an inconvenient location, I'd probably go back to bed. See the notes on the agenda at http://tools.ietf.org/wg/eai/agenda for more information. regards to all, john From klensin@jck.com Fri Nov 9 06:38:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A8F21F8582 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 06:38:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.585 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.585 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b+KB+7cTs6Ir for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 06:38:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (ns.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFF921F854C for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 06:38:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([::1]) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1TWpj1-0005d6-O7; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:38:28 -0500 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:38:26 -0500 From: John C Klensin To: ima@ietf.org Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Harald Alvestrand Subject: [EAI] Conclusion of EAI meeting at IETF 85 X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 14:38:29 -0000 Hi. As noted earlier, the WG met (for approximately ten minutes). There appears to be general consensus to accept the remaining document as posted. This message, as promised, is a really, really, Last Call. Suggestions for editorial fine-tuning to any of the four documents are open until the document goes into AUTH48, but the co-chairs and authors (and probably the RFC Editor) would appreciate getting them very soon or not at all. Unless substantive and well-documented objections are received by 2359 UT on Monday the documents will be handed back to the ADs immediately thereafter. Note that there is a very strong presumption of WG consensus at this point so objections that are based on anything other than clear showstoppers are likely to be rejected without WG discussion. It has been fun -- thanks and congratulations to all. best, john (and Joseph) From Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Fri Nov 9 06:40:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF8E21F86D2 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 06:40:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4y8qgUs6i8hl for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 06:40:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyrus.dir.garr.it (cyrus.dir.garr.it [193.206.158.29]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C3921F8594 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 06:40:33 -0800 (PST) Received: internal info suppressed Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 15:40:30 +0100 (CET) From: Claudio Allocchio X-X-Sender: claudio@mac-allocchio3.elettra.trieste.it To: John C Klensin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=garr.it; s=cyrus; t=1352472030; bh=7qVNC7RCtldcItIbFQVYy59Wqhndg127vBKisYmuRJo=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=LfbrpK25D30ORiTXIoeorWbnl36serqepQ7Zn2UvcAiv0Ms6UnEqxPRny6BKw9Iuj d25AMyF77lpM6Ex1UmdNciv5GSdmtR+ckJs+ZPu5FMdK2bLoHTFHisfSCb2XvKaP/B S6ArpJjKjJ5w9yRCqJneVHIiBxf1byat8WRcTXko= Cc: Harald Alvestrand , ima@ietf.org Subject: Re: [EAI] Conclusion of EAI meeting at IETF 85 X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 14:40:34 -0000 On Fri, 9 Nov 2012, John C Klensin wrote: > Hi. > > As noted earlier, the WG met (for approximately ten minutes). > There appears to be general consensus to accept the remaining > document as posted. > > This message, as promised, is a really, really, Last Call. > > Suggestions for editorial fine-tuning to any of the four > documents are open until the document goes into AUTH48, but the > co-chairs and authors (and probably the RFC Editor) would > appreciate getting them very soon or not at all. > > Unless substantive and well-documented objections are received > by 2359 UT on Monday the documents will be handed back to the > ADs immediately thereafter. Note that there is a very strong > presumption of WG consensus at this point so objections that are > based on anything other than clear showstoppers are likely to be > rejected without WG discussion. > > It has been fun -- thanks and congratulations to all. :-) well done! > > best, > john (and Joseph) > > _______________________________________________ > IMA mailing list > IMA@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ima > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claudio Allocchio G A R R Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Senior Technical Officer tel: +39 040 3758523 Italian Academic and G=Claudio; S=Allocchio; fax: +39 040 3758565 Research Network P=garr; A=garr; C=it; PGP Key: http://www.cert.garr.it/PGP/keys.php3#ca From jyee@afilias.info Mon Nov 12 07:02:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33DE621F8609 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:02:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MLNncUf+hc8D for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:02:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from outbound.afilias.info (outbound.afilias.info [66.199.183.4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F9021F85A4 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:02:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms5.on1.afilias-ops.info ([10.109.8.9] helo=smtp.afilias.info) by outbound.afilias.info with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TXvXC-0006to-4u for ima@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:02:46 +0000 Received: from mail-ia0-f198.google.com ([209.85.210.198]) by smtp.afilias.info with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TXvXC-0006yv-4g for ima@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:02:46 +0000 Received: by mail-ia0-f198.google.com with SMTP id l29so10465439iag.1 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:02:41 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=11AWx31x4n1g4ItH8JDu5Ux0hRy+7S8FgPIxZMGslEM=; b=hSpCos6/sjz+9dJY4SvV6AiNihSXj/7/cfes5E9wYv+qsFVbXpBgByE4VD6ioFWnLp iQ5QSkbw8ClDmjkiaAeLFkaioLhHDHowSghSMiM1hcpu5JcLlAudq/yOjlSUY+O7dXLN ej+IvRWNyQ/RwwkC+7b7C+kSUjde6YpQ7hw2n+8B7f38VVQbazt4OxA4D2Si9nTvtwDn AbYvgVRZHJR/CWNalgJjx+hTZ5AfOwzN+pekx+3qli7wG66VGdk+JjVNdmOhgN7202nH W1EwBX2zcSbnPGzX/B86dTwz8qZ28yfqZQrbMx/iwZLr7qM0GgFUPN+sJcndPU9gNRi2 1ibA== Received: by 10.182.95.205 with SMTP id dm13mr15663106obb.9.1352732560509; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:02:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.95.205 with SMTP id dm13mr15663101obb.9.1352732560382; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:02:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.26.233 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:02:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:02:40 -0500 Message-ID: From: Joseph Yee To: EAI WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlLv/UWcn0DDpHLT/jdISFbCXng/m5/41+2OdzgRg70i8Jr7LBe2LLOlbFW50RVplAQ6vgQ7vHMebHecPriiDZtj38kZaKptsKa8thvPR68uROZx5bVdAkHW467fqYqp82YJXfd Subject: [EAI] Tentative EAI meeting minutes at IETF 85 X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:02:48 -0000 Below is the minutes of EAI meeting at IETF 85. Please review and advise of any correction needed. If there is no substantial change, I will upload the minutes by Friday Nov 16. Thanks Joseph ----------------------------------------------------- EAI - IETF 85 Minutes Nov 9, 2012 Jabber Scribe: Yao, JianKang Agenda Bashing: none Minutes: The chair described the relationship (as discussed in mailing list) between IMAP servers ("UTF8=ACCEPT" & "UTF8=ONLY") and mail clients (with & without "ENABLE UTF8=ACCEPT") that documented in the latest draft (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eai-5738bis/). The chair asks participants for comments and objections, and no body objects from both meeting room and chat room. Since this was raised in mailing list prior meeting, there is no need to bring it (as new issue) back to WG mailing list. Alexey has some minor editorial suggestions for IMAP draft, and will try to bring it to WG as soon as possible. This would not block the 4 core drafts submitted to AD on Monday Nov 12. Regarding IESG review, several more DISCUSS were cleared. Barry will follow up with the rest. The chair asked if there were any other businesses, and there were none. Meeting adjourned. From klensin@jck.com Mon Nov 12 15:46:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D887821F8794 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:46:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.379 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.379 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.194, BAYES_40=-0.185] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2HH95b9gWcnT for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:46:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (bsa2.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA5821F86EB for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:46:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([::1]) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1TY3i4-000IGZ-3n; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:46:32 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:46:31 -0500 From: John C Klensin To: Barry Leiba , Pete Resnick Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: ima@ietf.org Subject: [EAI] Boing! IMAP X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:46:37 -0000 Barry, Pete, As announced on Friday (both in the meeting and on-list), the clock just ran out on possible WG objections to the new material in draft-ietf-eai-5738bis-11 (the clock on other material ran out long ago). We still will insert minor editorial clarifications from Alexey, but please do whatever you have to do to get this document cleared and approved. regards, john From barryleiba@gmail.com Mon Nov 12 16:19:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33FA721F87AF for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:19:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.595 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.595 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.004, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FNn4AdMTc8Fg for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:19:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vc0-f172.google.com (mail-vc0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7AC421F87B8 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:19:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id fl11so7505343vcb.31 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:19:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=pH+LrjBrHQNhgMhcISC32rNUxMadp/M5IIoA+CQuHbE=; b=qS09arosIYcUUmMv7QW3OQA03MvdLT4l5Grs8lwgLT89hjMbhJiWft2GpuMCqAFmg+ KzypOUk1NNlvq/eckvPOaJx+9Xjg5XXqAPTs4nzWmRs2Ev7IddhyLSYGEgNVnZmFrrSU s2WLuk7SApgBheEp4BHwfdKPTD00NsgSVK6mSTVfaYIaD+TJ6L3Ql1s5gkzJQ92qhA9B ghPv9vjf6BidczsikMkR5ZUm5MDvZquVF9i9jTZ1y8b4AD4oZ00NnlLZ283zwalR4oy7 JrLdMyuKVGBToIeXq1386OkQD//zOk+C+XNiPB0HN39BRm+eRVqrPTjBx8AivU+Z0/P2 MHEw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.162.130 with SMTP id ya2mr23688210veb.2.1352765997081; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:19:57 -0800 (PST) Sender: barryleiba@gmail.com Received: by 10.58.28.231 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:19:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:19:56 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ErOuf7f1TBuTzGbgiErrx6C1J7Y Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: John C Klensin , Alexey Melnikov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Pete Resnick , "ima@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [EAI] Boing! IMAP X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 00:19:58 -0000 > As announced on Friday (both in the meeting and on-list), the > clock just ran out on possible WG objections to the new material > in draft-ietf-eai-5738bis-11 (the clock on other material ran > out long ago). ...and there was much rejoicing! > We still will insert minor editorial clarifications from Alexey, > but please do whatever you have to do to get this document > cleared and approved. Indeed. I suggest that the chairs give Alexey a deadline on the edits he wants, and that John, who has the current XML source, handle that and post an updated draft when they're done. When that happens, I'll press the appropriate buttons forthwith. Barry From klensin@jck.com Mon Nov 12 17:03:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2926421F858A for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:03:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.088, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n4uPN-HD136E for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:02:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (ns.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5922021F853A for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:02:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([::1]) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1TY4tu-000IPS-C9; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:02:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:02:46 -0500 From: John C Klensin To: Barry Leiba , Alexey Melnikov Message-ID: <1BA6C673AF7055059E332525@JCK-EEE10> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Pete Resnick , ima@ietf.org Subject: Re: [EAI] Boing! IMAP X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 01:03:00 -0000 --On Monday, 12 November, 2012 19:19 -0500 Barry Leiba wrote: >... >> We still will insert minor editorial clarifications from >> Alexey, but please do whatever you have to do to get this >> document cleared and approved. > > Indeed. > I suggest that the chairs give Alexey a deadline on the edits > he wants, and that John, who has the current XML source, > handle that and post an updated draft when they're done. When > that happens, I'll press the appropriate buttons forthwith. Wfm. Proposal: Said deadline is hereby set at 2359 UT on Thursday for either that text or posting to this list of a a really good reason why more time is needed along with a proposed alternate target date. Remember that, if these are really small suggestions of a purely editorial nature, they could be made at AUTH48 (or intermediate suggestions to the RFC Editor) rather than than putting things on hold now. best, john From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Tue Nov 13 06:29:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3546621F876A for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:29:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.825 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.825 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.151, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sBbHW3ZIa-sc for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:29:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-la0-f44.google.com (mail-la0-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B4521F8628 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:29:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id d3so1980498lah.31 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:29:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=3nDwcDBNhDwPqTAyXKZOO7uuxQPkazupEPi4t4ERis4=; b=E2+1awPhBzJea8sHQJQEk//9ZZ9/LqR48r90Qvdw+Tqb9lLWsJoNGhvA+YTwvv84TW jmHqCfABwYX5TzDmxLxSv/U0yzxpvhI80oEZhTLOtAAH+2bfoWFyQjKvHgkztN4xuhjF W5zeZhFTsZyB2YSdfIrlgi4zUO4CvDUR2zUxNZWvxSeytLM4tnPcrhqqAOrjZ/v2Y0QS pPtNR3yP+5fY0JDdDgoN94hAyQv9Em7o1hMWG0qTc9wgLZepfEGNm3h9erQdIk5DWR8P iG03R9/68RuLArzStDnV+GzGmL4C6FPFfoNPvIqTsJ7AxsM6n91spUjgWJmOayCfDG7k kkBQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.30.131 with SMTP id s3mr9519249lbh.38.1352816964203; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:29:24 -0800 (PST) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.12.166 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:29:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:29:24 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: SCAHzJYoP74GZ4H0I6UePpm0npA Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: Joseph Yee Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04016acd98f5fc04ce613e0a Cc: EAI WG Subject: Re: [EAI] Tentative EAI meeting minutes at IETF 85 X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:29:29 -0000 --f46d04016acd98f5fc04ce613e0a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > The chair described the relationship (as discussed in mailing list) > between IMAP servers ("UTF8=ACCEPT" & "UTF8=ONLY") and mail clients > (with & without "ENABLE UTF8=ACCEPT") that documented in the latest > draft (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eai-5738bis/). That link always shows the most current version at the time it's clocked. I think it's important to say which version introduced the new text, so, please, leave the link as it is, but make the text, "that is documented in the version -11 draft". Otherwise, all looks good. Barry --f46d04016acd98f5fc04ce613e0a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Otherwise, all looks good.

Barry
--f46d04016acd98f5fc04ce613e0a-- From jyee@afilias.info Tue Nov 13 06:46:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B4F121F86CF for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:46:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jHmn675wtSPL for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:46:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from outbound.afilias.info (outbound.afilias.info [66.199.183.4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC47021F854F for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:46:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms5.on1.afilias-ops.info ([10.109.8.9] helo=smtp.afilias.info) by outbound.afilias.info with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TYHkw-0005cQ-4o for ima@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:46:26 +0000 Received: from mail-ie0-f198.google.com ([209.85.223.198]) by smtp.afilias.info with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TYHkw-0006vI-4Z for ima@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:46:26 +0000 Received: by mail-ie0-f198.google.com with SMTP id 17so21593693iea.1 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:46:21 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=9oCCK6ZGeHr3a+VT1RBoNaKRSBlEVfArybHCOHFn4Lg=; b=R+pe/dOhIsO0w4wqXIKAo03iNvdF/AxRLGGNxdKWiI0GdgWtcMGae5p1D+509V5Go0 zZd0N11N+2N3Pv/+6HGR4KBe/H3m1PTk7ysRGBMpjqBVe51xEDXhHr0m5JM5nR1jgkro KxaJyaG1/XrB/7uIm4Az1PQ8VvJRfMwJH6lEse5dGaaJ9Nx+HHZX8+nHCsiGHsFufj/V DTkQjQbfNNNYN6ICc9KBhE+piYQCUGm2fZceJllF0EtVaRxRAagykwMKEYQhreW4x4CK d9lwewLVBgBFJpkDExselGzJDGMMZz/rGN2XYsS9APYwDbMSy6SHZMqU716cLITm+4CA ewoQ== Received: by 10.60.9.5 with SMTP id v5mr17179930oea.81.1352817980900; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:46:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.9.5 with SMTP id v5mr17179923oea.81.1352817980730; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:46:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.26.233 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:46:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:46:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: Joseph Yee To: Barry Leiba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmJUGUUxg+I5X0iE8J1wmeJYfBAU6pvn4N7lLy7KF1S+TE69S9SfsYEatGGpAXiXHjiPm+jT/IIyYIVzHcDPIxq6bfjT4SoPoQSyJT7M7i59piwg9+TH7g1jpgIdvSYsnq2hfrX Cc: EAI WG Subject: Re: [EAI] Tentative EAI meeting minutes at IETF 85 X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:46:29 -0000 On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Barry Leiba wrote: >> The chair described the relationship (as discussed in mailing list) >> between IMAP servers ("UTF8=ACCEPT" & "UTF8=ONLY") and mail clients >> (with & without "ENABLE UTF8=ACCEPT") that documented in the latest >> draft (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eai-5738bis/). > > > That link always shows the most current version at the time it's clocked. I > think it's important to say which version introduced the new text, so, > please, leave the link as it is, but make the text, "that is documented in > the version -11 draft". > > Otherwise, all looks good. > > Barry Thanks Barry. Revised minutes below. Joseph ---------- EAI - IETF 85 Minutes Nov 9, 2012 Jabber Scribe: Yao, JianKang Agenda Bashing: none Minutes: The chair described the relationship (as discussed in mailing list) between IMAP servers ("UTF8=ACCEPT" & "UTF8=ONLY") and mail clients (with & without "ENABLE UTF8=ACCEPT") that documented in version -11 draft (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eai-5738bis/). The chair asks participants for comments and objections, and no body objects from both meeting room and chat room. Since this was raised in mailing list prior meeting, there is no need to bring it (as new issue) back to WG mailing list. Alexey has some minor editorial suggestions for IMAP draft, and will try to bring it to WG as soon as possible. This would not block the 4 core drafts submitted to AD on Monday Nov 12. Regarding IESG review, several more DISCUSS were cleared. Barry will follow up with the rest. The chair asked if there were any other businesses, and there were none. Meeting adjourned. From klensin@jck.com Tue Nov 13 06:57:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6B721F86E3 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:57:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.082, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tyyIm9gldU6h for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:57:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (ns.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0301421F86DF for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:57:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([::1]) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1TYHvP-000Jv7-J4; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:57:16 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:57:13 -0500 From: John C Klensin To: Joseph Yee Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: EAI WG Subject: Re: [EAI] Tentative EAI meeting minutes at IETF 85 X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:57:20 -0000 Joseph, A few minor tweaks inline below... --On Tuesday, 13 November, 2012 09:46 -0500 Joseph Yee wrote: > EAI - IETF 85 Minutes > Nov 9, 2012 > > Jabber Scribe: Yao, JianKang > > Agenda Bashing: none > > Minutes: > > The chair described the relationship (as discussed in mailing > list) between IMAP servers ("UTF8=ACCEPT" & "UTF8=ONLY") and > mail clients (with & without "ENABLE UTF8=ACCEPT") that > documented in version -11 draft > (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eai-5738bis/). s/version -11 draft/version -11 draft of/ > The chair asks participants for comments and objections, and > no body objects from both meeting room and chat room. Since s/no body/no one/ or /nobody/ s/from both/from either/ > this was raised in mailing list prior meeting, there is no > need to bring it (as new issue) back to WG mailing list. Add: The Chair announced that a brief period would be allowed for showstopper comments from the mailing list (until 2359 UT on Monday 12 Nov). > Alexey has some minor editorial suggestions for IMAP draft, > and will try to bring it to WG as soon as possible. This s/to WG/to other authors and WG Chairs/ Note (not for minutes): If these are really small editorial suggestions, they do not need WG approval. We will circulate them to the WG list, but will not wait for approval. > would not block the 4 core drafts submitted to AD on Monday > Nov 12. > > Regarding IESG review, several more DISCUSS were cleared. > Barry will follow up with the rest. > > The chair asked if there were any other businesses, and there s/were any other businesses/was any other business/ > were none. Meeting adjourned. best, john From yaojk@cnnic.cn Tue Nov 13 17:18:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736E521F8673 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:18:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.846 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.846 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5iPj0XLOCX6O for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnnic.cn (smtp.cnnic.cn [159.226.7.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 565EC21F8653 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:18:34 -0800 (PST) X-EYOUMAIL-SMTPAUTH: yaojk@cnnic.cn Received: from unknown127.0.0.1 (HELO lenovo47e041cf) (127.0.0.1) by 127.0.0.1 with SMTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:18:19 +0800 Message-ID: <88EE801C495542F5A496E9CC80581C49@LENOVO47E041CF> From: "Jiankang YAO" To: "John C Klensin" , "Barry Leiba" , "Alexey Melnikov" References: <1BA6C673AF7055059E332525@JCK-EEE10> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:18:22 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Cc: Pete Resnick , ima@ietf.org Subject: Re: [EAI] Boing! 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Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:35:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:35:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: Joseph Yee To: John C Klensin Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f83a4d9ada79404ce6d103c X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkjCLJWvNIvzM8+v36x7IVIlzThxSqaaapTXSpVV3UKGzGLe50YTZwoukwCZM8dRwe9tPvOJHP2Fw7tl2mzZ+CqPRMNt0lcmCCsVV/lGPpzWFdrTUAUANNwnK+n3I8f9RTnrxdG Cc: EAI WG Subject: Re: [EAI] Tentative EAI meeting minutes at IETF 85 X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:35:42 -0000 --e89a8f83a4d9ada79404ce6d103c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:57 AM, John C Klensin wrote: > Joseph, > > A few minor tweaks inline below... > > --On Tuesday, 13 November, 2012 09:46 -0500 Joseph Yee > wrote: > > > EAI - IETF 85 Minutes > > Nov 9, 2012 > > > > Jabber Scribe: Yao, JianKang > > > > Agenda Bashing: none > > > > Minutes: > > > > The chair described the relationship (as discussed in mailing > > list) between IMAP servers ("UTF8=ACCEPT" & "UTF8=ONLY") and > > mail clients (with & without "ENABLE UTF8=ACCEPT") that > > documented in version -11 draft > > (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eai-5738bis/). > > s/version -11 draft/version -11 draft of/ > > > The chair asks participants for comments and objections, and > > no body objects from both meeting room and chat room. Since > > s/no body/no one/ or /nobody/ > s/from both/from either/ > > > this was raised in mailing list prior meeting, there is no > > need to bring it (as new issue) back to WG mailing list. > > Add: The Chair announced that a brief period would be allowed > for showstopper comments from the mailing list (until 2359 UT on > Monday 12 Nov). > > > Alexey has some minor editorial suggestions for IMAP draft, > > and will try to bring it to WG as soon as possible. This > > s/to WG/to other authors and WG Chairs/ > > Note (not for minutes): > If these are really small editorial suggestions, they do > not need WG approval. We will circulate them to the WG > list, but will not wait for approval. > > > would not block the 4 core drafts submitted to AD on Monday > > Nov 12. > > > > Regarding IESG review, several more DISCUSS were cleared. > > Barry will follow up with the rest. > > > > The chair asked if there were any other businesses, and there > > s/were any other businesses/was any other business/ > > > were none. Meeting adjourned. > > best, > john > > Thanks John. Revised minutes below. Joseph ---------- EAI - IETF 85 Minutes Nov 9, 2012 Jabber Scribe: Yao, JianKang Agenda Bashing: none Minutes: The chair described the relationship (as discussed in mailing list) between IMAP servers ("UTF8=ACCEPT" & "UTF8=ONLY") and mail clients (with & without "ENABLE UTF8=ACCEPT") that documented in version -11 draft of (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eai-5738bis/). The chair asks participants for comments and objections, and nobody objects from either meeting room and chat room. Since this was raised in mailing list prior meeting, there is no need to bring it (as new issue) back to WG mailing list. The Chair announced that a brief period would be allowed for showstopper comments from the mailing list (until 2359 UT on Monday 12 Nov). Alexey has some minor editorial suggestions for IMAP draft, and will try to bring it to other authors and WG Chairs as soon as possible. This would not block the 4 core drafts submitted to AD on Monday Nov 12. Regarding IESG review, several more DISCUSS were cleared. Barry will follow up with the rest. The chair asked if there was any other business, and there were none. Meeting adjourned. --e89a8f83a4d9ada79404ce6d103c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:57 AM, John C = Klensin <klensin@jck.com> wrote:
Joseph,

A few minor tweaks inline below...

--On Tuesday, 13 November, 2012 09:46 -0500 Joseph Yee
<jyee@afilias.inf= o> wrote:

> EAI - =C2=A0IETF 85 Minutes
> Nov 9, 2012
>
> Jabber Scribe: Yao, JianKang
>
> Agenda Bashing: none
>
> Minutes:
>
> The chair described the relationship (as discussed in mailing
> list) between IMAP servers ("UTF8=3DACCEPT" & "UTF8= =3DONLY") and
> mail clients (with & without "ENABLE UTF8=3DACCEPT") tha= t
> documented in version -11 draft
> (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eai-5738bis/).

s/version -11 draft/version -11 draft of/

> The chair asks participants for comments and objections, and
> no body objects from both meeting room and chat room. =C2=A0Since

s/no body/no one/ =C2=A0or /nobody/
s/from both/from either/

> this was raised in mailing list prior meeting, there is no
> need to bring it (as new issue) back to WG mailing list.

Add: The Chair announced that a brief period would be allowed
for showstopper comments from the mailing list (until 2359 UT on
Monday 12 Nov).

> Alexey has some minor editorial suggestions for IMAP draft,
> and will try to bring it to WG as soon as possible. =C2=A0This

s/to WG/to other authors and WG Chairs/

Note (not for minutes):
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 If these are really small editorial suggestions= , they do
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 not need WG approval. =C2=A0We will circulate t= hem to the WG
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 list, but will not wait for approval.

> would not block the 4 core drafts submitted to AD on Monday
> Nov 12.
>
> Regarding IESG review, =C2=A0several more DISCUSS were cleared.
> Barry will follow up with the rest.
>
> The chair asked if there were any other businesses, and there

s/were any other businesses/was any other business/

> were none. =C2=A0Meeting adjourned.

best,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0john


Thanks John.=C2=A0

Revised minutes below.
=
Joseph

----------

EAI - =C2=A0IETF 85 Minutes
Nov 9, 2= 012

Jabber Scribe: Yao, JianKang

Agenda Bashing: none

= Minutes:

The chair described the relationship (as discussed in mailing list)
= between IMAP servers ("UTF8=3DACCEPT" & "UTF8=3DONLY&quo= t;) and mail clients
(with & without "ENABLE UTF8=3DACCEPT"= ;) that documented in version -11
draft of (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eai-5738bis/).

The= chair asks participants for comments and objections, and nobody
objects= from either meeting room and chat room. =C2=A0Since this was raised
in mailing list prior meeting, there is no need to bring it (as new
issu= e) back to WG mailing list.

The Chair announced that a brief period = would be allowed
for showstopper comments from the mailing list (until 2= 359 UT on
Monday 12 Nov).

Alexey has some minor editorial suggestions for IMAP= draft, and will
try to bring it to other authors and WG Chairs as soon = as possible. =C2=A0This would not block the 4
core drafts submitted to A= D on Monday Nov 12.

Regarding IESG review, =C2=A0several more DISCUSS were cleared. =C2=A0B= arry will
follow up with the rest.

The chair asked if there was a= ny other business, and there were
none. =C2=A0Meeting adjourned.
--e89a8f83a4d9ada79404ce6d103c-- From lunohod.baikonur@gmail.com Thu Nov 15 15:58:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ima@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E9D21E803F for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:58:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.976 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.976 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sR37FtxqlfDN for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:58:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ea0-f172.google.com (mail-ea0-f172.google.com [209.85.215.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F81D1F041A for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:58:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ea0-f172.google.com with SMTP id a1so60263eaa.31 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:58:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Z1EN/aFda5/Pexjj2ditNXMnhqGehRQoWE5nBdH7ngM=; b=Kfz6kH5z1R2MhjRmN7ouxPl7kIwTUVn4nYeL//Xvyy+bAo7eWuliaUA+bW9wM0bjfs Xm756rhGU8koofKzdq+cYTApNeU6axQPcarHEsToxdnZcxVTPmhWY4KEBL/MStRsdDg/ +P1lU6PACZPXRMT9Fqsmcu/pEFf4KsK0TVwWfXGOi1zKcLP+/ugaKzUNfUTKDPVrpPcS 6GrqbpnCx2cXP0KylpXKatJMEP0pXlRtKBGfZ3pcNLXg0on93zb0nc642C8tI0f9Ja/i 9whr37qpk8J+pdRpT0nHOVbgqDGRNA1E33hx0ygwZTcU/UHFcgkHtnymNY3iAWFlXdCG D6Ag== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.199.134 with SMTP id x6mr8339249een.31.1353023880641; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:58:00 -0800 (PST) Sender: lunohod.baikonur@gmail.com Received: by 10.14.128.7 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:58:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1BA6C673AF7055059E332525@JCK-EEE10> References: <1BA6C673AF7055059E332525@JCK-EEE10> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:58:00 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: psg_z0f68OAuL_R8MrKkTsik8Pk Message-ID: From: Alexey Melnikov To: John C Klensin Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3a7fecc73aad04ce916bc5 Cc: Pete Resnick , Barry Leiba , "ima@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [EAI] Boing! IMAP X-BeenThere: ima@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "EAI \(Email Address Internationalization\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:58:02 -0000 --047d7b3a7fecc73aad04ce916bc5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tuesday, November 13, 2012, John C Klensin wrote: > > --On Monday, 12 November, 2012 19:19 -0500 Barry Leiba > > wrote: > > >... > >> We still will insert minor editorial clarifications from > >> Alexey, but please do whatever you have to do to get this > >> document cleared and approved. > > > > Indeed. > > I suggest that the chairs give Alexey a deadline on the edits > > he wants, and that John, who has the current XML source, > > handle that and post an updated draft when they're done. When > > that happens, I'll press the appropriate buttons forthwith. > > Wfm. > > Proposal: Said deadline is hereby set at 2359 UT on Thursday > for either that text or posting to this list of a a really good > reason why more time is needed along with a proposed alternate > target date. > > Remember that, if these are really small suggestions of a purely > editorial nature, they could be made at AUTH48 (or intermediate > suggestions to the RFC Editor) rather than than putting things > on hold now. > Sorry for the delay. 6. UTF8=ONLY Capability The "UTF8=ONLY" capability indicates that the server supports "UTF8=ACCEPT" (see Section 4), and also that it requires support for UTF-8 from clients. That means that it will send UTF-8 in quoted Maybe this is a bit subtle, but I would prefer inserting "In particular, this means ...". The reason for this is that the text doesn't list all things that the server can do differently when advertising this capability, or at least it doesn't spell out all aspects of server behaviour that might be affected, so I would like to clarify that. strings, and it will not accept the older international mailbox name convention (modified UTF-7). Another thing I was thinking about is inserting an informative reference for the CANNOT response code. But this probably doesn't make a practical difference. --047d7b3a7fecc73aad04ce916bc5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tuesday, November 13, 2012, John C Klensin wrote:

--On Monday, 12 November, 2012 19:19 -0500 Barry Leiba
<barryleiba@computer.org> wrote:

>...
>> We still will insert minor editorial clarifications from
>> Alexey, but please do whatever you have to do to get this
>> document cleared and approved.
>
> Indeed.
> I suggest that the chairs give Alexey a deadline on the edits
> he wants, and that John, who has the current XML source,
> handle that and post an updated draft when they're done. =A0When > that happens, I'll press the appropriate buttons forthwith.

Wfm.

Proposal: =A0Said deadline is hereby set at 2359 UT on Thursday
for either that text or posting to this list of a a really good
reason why more time is needed along with a proposed alternate
target date.

Remember that, if these are really small suggestions of a purely
editorial nature, they could be made at AUTH48 (or intermediate
suggestions to the RFC Editor) rather than than putting things
on hold now.

Sorry for the delay.

<= span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family:monospace;white-space:= pre-wrap;line-height:normal;font-size:medium">6. UTF8=3DONLY Capability
The "UTF8=3DONLY&quo= t; capability indicates that the server supports
"UTF8=3DACCEPT" (see Sec= tion 4), and also that it requires support for
UTF-8 fro= m clients. That means that it will send UTF-8 in quoted

<= span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family:monospace;white-space:= pre-wrap;line-height:normal;font-size:medium">Maybe this is a bit subtle, b= ut I would prefer inserting "In particular, this means ...". The = reason for this is that the text doesn't list all things that the serve= r can do differently when advertising this capability, or at least it doesn= 't spell out all aspects of server behaviour that might be affected, so= I would like to clarify that.

<= span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family:monospace;white-space:= pre-wrap;line-height:normal;font-size:medium"> strings, and it will not a= ccept the older international mailbox name
conventio= n (modified UTF-7).

=

Another thing I was thinking about is inserting an informati=
ve reference for the  CANNOT response code. But this probably doesn't m=
ake a practical difference.




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--On Thursday, November 15, 2012 18:58 -0500 Alexey Melnikov
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>...
>> Remember that, if these are really small suggestions of a
>> purely editorial nature, they could be made at AUTH48 (or
>> intermediate suggestions to the RFC Editor) rather than than
>> putting things on hold now.
>> 
> 
> Sorry for the delay.
> 
> 6. UTF8=ONLY Capability
> The "UTF8=ONLY" capability indicates that the server supports
> "UTF8=ACCEPT" (see Section 4), and also that it requires
> support for UTF-8 from clients. That means that it will send
> UTF-8 in quoted
> 
> Maybe this is a bit subtle, but I would prefer inserting "In
> particular, this means ...". The reason for this is that the
> text doesn't list all things that the server can do
> differently when advertising this capability, or at least it
> doesn't spell out all aspects of server behaviour that might
> be affected, so I would like to clarify that.
> 
> strings, and it will not accept the older international
> mailbox name convention (modified UTF-7).

I believe this change is editorial and, at worst, harmless.  See
below.
 
> Another thing I was thinking about is inserting an informative
> reference for the CANNOT response code. But this probably
> doesn't make a practical difference.

Agreed so, unless someone feels _really_ strongly about it, we
won't tamper further for the document.  

So, I'll wait a short time but, unless someone posts an
objection that demonstrates why the above change is both
substantive and problematic, I will, as Barry suggested, spin up
a new copy of the draft tomorrow and get it posted.

best,
   john


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
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 This draft is a work item of the Email Address Internationalization Workin=
g Group of the IETF.

	Title           : IMAP Support for UTF-8
	Author(s)       : Pete Resnick
                          Chris Newman
                          Sean Shen
	Filename        : draft-ietf-eai-5738bis-12.txt
	Pages           : 12
	Date            : 2012-11-16

Abstract:
   This specification extends the Internet Message Access Protocol
   version 4rev1 (IMAP4rev1) to support UTF-8 encoded international
   characters in user names, mail addresses and message headers.  This
   specification replaces RFC 5738.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eai-5738bis

There's also a htmlized version available at:
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As part of the EAI and IMAP, would it be interesting for this group to defi=
ne some IMAP flags that would indicate to the IMAP clients, which one of th=
e folders are the:

-inbox
-sent folder
-spam folder
-trash
-calendar
-contacts
-notes

http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3501

mbx-list-oflag  =3D "\Noinferiors" / flag-extension
                    ; Other flags; multiple possible per LIST response

Allows flag extensions.

Unless this has been defined somewhere else.


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As part of the EAI and IM=
AP, would it be interesting for this group to define some IMAP flags that w=
ould indicate to the IMAP clients, which one of the folders are the:







-inbox


-sent folder


-spam folder


-trash 


-calendar


-contacts


-notes










mbx-lis=
t-oflag  =3D "\Noinferiors" / flag-extension
                    ; Other flags; multiple possible per LIST response

Allows flag extensions.




Unless this has been defi=
ned somewhere else.









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On 16.11.2012, at 19.41, Franck Martin wrote:

> As part of the EAI and IMAP, would it be interesting for this group to =
define some IMAP flags that would indicate to the IMAP clients, which =
one of the folders are the:
>=20
> -inbox

INBOX is always named INBOX.

> -sent folder
> -spam folder
> -trash=20

These are defined by RFC 6154.

> -calendar
> -contacts
> -notes

IMAP protocol has no calendar or contact features. If these are visible =
at all to clients, they are already highly specific to that client (and =
maybe server). Kolab uses METADATA for marking those mailboxes. Exchange =
I think shows them always as empty, so it could just as well have hidden =
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Hi,

On 16/11/2012 17:41, Franck Martin wrote:
> As part of the EAI and IMAP, would it be interesting for this group to 
> define some IMAP flags that would indicate to the IMAP clients, which 
> one of the folders are the:
>
> -inbox
> -sent folder
> -spam folder
> -trash
> -calendar
> -contacts
> -notes
>
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3501
> mbx-list-oflag  = "\Noinferiors" / flag-extension
>                      ; Other flags; multiple possible per LIST response
> Allows flag extensions.
> Unless this has been defined somewhere else.

Yes, a solved problem:

http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6154.txt

Apart from Calendar/Contact/Notes, which would need their own attributes.


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Hi,

      

      On 16/11/2012 17:41, Franck Martin wrote:

    

    

      
      
As part of the EAI
        and IMAP, would it be interesting for this group to define some
        IMAP flags that would indicate to the IMAP clients, which one of
        the folders are the:

      


      

      
-inbox

      
-sent folder

      
-spam folder

      
-trash 

      
-calendar

      
-contacts

      
-notes

      


      

      
      

        
mbx-list-oflag  = "\Noinferiors" / flag-extension
                    ; Other flags; multiple possible per LIST response

        
Allows flag extensions.

      

      
Unless this has
        been defined somewhere else.

    

    

    Yes, a solved problem:

    

    http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6154.txt

    

    Apart from Calendar/Contact/Notes, which would need their own
    attributes.

    

  


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On 11/16/12 9:52 AM, "Timo Sirainen"  wrote:

>On 16.11.2012, at 19.41, Franck Martin wrote:
>
>> As part of the EAI and IMAP, would it be interesting for this group to
>>define some IMAP flags that would indicate to the IMAP clients, which
>>one of the folders are the:
>>=20
>> -inbox
>
>INBOX is always named INBOX.
>
>> -sent folder
>> -spam folder
>> -trash=20
>
>These are defined by RFC 6154.

Cool, I had a look at that before 2011, so glad it has been defined since.

>
>> -calendar
>> -contacts
>> -notes
>
>IMAP protocol has no calendar or contact features. If these are visible
>at all to clients, they are already highly specific to that client (and
>maybe server). Kolab uses METADATA for marking those mailboxes. Exchange
>I think shows them always as empty, so it could just as well have hidden
>them entirely.

Well, there is an rfc for ical and vcard, you need to store them
somewhere...


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--On Friday, November 16, 2012 17:41 +0000 Franck Martin
 wrote:

> As part of the EAI and IMAP, would it be interesting for this
> group to define some IMAP flags that would indicate to the
> IMAP clients, which one of the folders are the:

Franck (and others),

EAI is essentially finished.  The last four documents should be
in the hands of the IESG Secretary later today and will
presumably go to the RFC Editor next week (or sooner).   Once
that occurs, I expect that there will be no activity on this
list or in the WG until and unless one of the following occurs:

* someone discovers a new, showstopper, issue with one of the
current set of four documents

* either before or during AUTH48, .the RFC Editor or authors
have a question that cannot be resolved without going back to
the WG

As discussed in Atlanta and earlier, once those four documents
are published, the WG will be shut down or suspended (which one
is up to the ADs).

People may obviously propose new work at any time, but it won't
be done in this WG, at least without a revised charter and
change of leadership.

    john


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All,

The minutes of EAI at IETF85 are available at
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Joseph

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At 14:10 -0500 11/16/12, John C Klensin wrote:

>As discussed in Atlanta and earlier, once those four documents
>are published, the WG will be shut down or suspended (which one
>is up to the ADs).
>
>People may obviously propose new work at any time, but it won't
>be done in this WG, at least without a revised charter and
>change of leadership.

That doesn't mean work has to stop.  There are lists that have 
"survived" its WG and went on to accomplish more[1] than the original 
WG.

[1] In the case of the EPP protocol, more RFCs were published after 
PROVREG WG shutdown than during the WG.  The WG shut down once EPP 
achieved PS.  The protocol then went to DS and then Full Standard via 
the list alone.
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Hi Franck,

--On November 16, 2012 6:15:08 PM +0000 Franck Martin 
 wrote:

>> IMAP protocol has no calendar or contact features. If these are visible
>> at all to clients, they are already highly specific to that client (and
>> maybe server). Kolab uses METADATA for marking those mailboxes. Exchange
>> I think shows them always as empty, so it could just as well have hidden
>> them entirely.
>
> Well, there is an rfc for ical and vcard, you need to store them
> somewhere...

CalDAV: RFC4791/RFC6638
CardDAV: RFC6352

-- 
Cyrus Daboo


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The IESG has approved the following document:
- 'IMAP Support for UTF-8'
  (draft-ietf-eai-5738bis-12.txt) as Proposed Standard

This document is the product of the Email Address Internationalization
Working Group.

The IESG contact persons are Barry Leiba and Pete Resnick.

A URL of this Internet Draft is:
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eai-5738bis/




[Please note: This document is one a set of four interdependent
documents:

draft-ietf-eai-5738bis
draft-ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade
draft-ietf-eai-rfc5721bis
draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade

These documents should be reviewed, evaluated, and understood
together.]

Technical Summary

      These four EAI documents make up a set that are interdependent
      and should be reviewed, evaluated, and understood together.  Their
      abstracts have been examined and verified to sufficiency to
      describe the individual documents.

      The abstract for this particular document reads:

         This specification extends the Internet Message Access Protocol
         version 4rev1 (IMAP4rev1) to support UTF-8 encoded
         international characters in user names, mail addresses and
         message headers.  This specification replaces RFC 5738.

Working Group Summary

      No particular process issues of note. The WG had extensive and
      constructive discussions about the role of "downgrading" (e.g.,
      converting a message stored on the server that contains non-ASCII
      header or envelope information) in the transition to an all-i18n
      environment.  Some of those issues and tradeoffs are discussed in
      draft-ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade and
      draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade.  In some cases, the best strategy
      may be to "hide" those messages that cannot be delivered without
      change to legacy clients either with or without some attempt at an
      error message.  A complete treatment of those options is
      impossible because the optimal strategies will depend considerably
      on local circumstances.  Consequently the base IMAP and POP3
      documents are no longer dependent on particular downgrading
      choices and that two methods presented are, to a considerable
      extent, just examples.  They are recommended as alternative
      Standards Track documents because they are protocol specifications
      and their sometimes-subtle details have have been carefully worked
      out, even though the WG has no general recommendation to make
      between them (or other strategies).

      While opinions differ in the WG about which downgrading mechanisms
      are likely to see the most use, if any, consensus is strong that
      these four documents represent the correct output.

Document Quality

      Some development and interoperability testing has occurred and is
      progressing.  There are strong commitments in various countries to
      implement and deploy the EAI (more properly, SMTPUTF8) messages
      and functions specified in RFCs 6530 through 6533.  Those messages
      will be inaccessible to many users without POP3 and IMAP support,
      so these specifications are quite likely to be implemented and
      deployed in a timely fashion.

      Reviewers who made particular contributions prior to IETF Last
      Call are acknowledged in the documents.  See Section 3 for
      additional information.

Personnel

      Document Shepherd:   John C Klensin
      Responsible Area Director:   Pete Resnick

         Note that Pete Resnick is listed as a co-author on this
         document as a result of contributions well before he became AD
         (and primarily to its the Experimental predecessor.  He has not
         been actively involved in an author or editor role since
         joining the IESG.


RFC Editor Notes (late addition; sorry, IESG Secretary)

The document contains the pre-5378 disclaimer, but that isn't necessary; please
remove it.

Also, please add an informative reference to RFC 5530, and add a citation to it in
Section 6:
OLD
   A server that
   advertises "UTF8=ONLY" will reject with a "NO [CANNOT]" response any
   command that might require UTF-8 support and is not preceded by an
   "ENABLE UTF8=ACCEPT" command.
NEW
   A server that
   advertises "UTF8=ONLY" will reject with a "NO [CANNOT]" response [RFC5530]
   any command that might require UTF-8 support and is not preceded by an
   "ENABLE UTF8=ACCEPT" command.

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Subject: [EAI] Protocol Action: 'Post-delivery Message Downgrading for	Internationalized Email Messages' to Proposed Standard	(draft-ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade-08.txt)
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- 'Post-delivery Message Downgrading for Internationalized Email
Messages'
  (draft-ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade-08.txt) as Proposed Standard

This document is the product of the Email Address Internationalization
Working Group.

The IESG contact persons are Pete Resnick and Barry Leiba.

A URL of this Internet Draft is:
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade/




[Please note: This document is one a set of four interdependent
documents:

draft-ietf-eai-5738bis
draft-ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade
draft-ietf-eai-rfc5721bis
draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade

These documents should be reviewed, evaluated, and understood
together.]

   Technical Summary

      The Email Address Internationalization (SMTPUTF8) extension to
      SMTP allows UTF-8 characters in mail header fields.  Upgraded POP
      and IMAP servers support internationalized Email messages. If a
      POP/IMAP client does not support Email Address
      Internationalization, POP/IMAP servers cannot deliver
      Internationalized Email Headers to the client and cannot remove
      the message.  To avoid the situation, this document describes a
      conversion mechanism for internationalized Email messages to be in
      traditional message format.  In the process, message elements
      requiring internationalized treatment are recoded or removed and
      receivers are able to know that they received messages containing
      such elements even if they cannot process the internationalized
      elements.

   Working Group Summary

      No particular process issues of note. The WG had extensive and
      constructive discussions about the role of "downgrading" (e.g.,
      converting a message stored on the server that contains non-ASCII
      header or envelope information) in the transition to an all-i18n
      environment.  Some of those issues and tradeoffs are discussed in
      draft-ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade and
      draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade.  In some cases, the best strategy
      may be to "hide" those messages that cannot be delivered without
      change to legacy clients either with or without some attempt at an
      error message.  A complete treatment of those options is
      impossible because the optimal strategies will depend considerably
      on local circumstances.  Consequently the base IMAP and POP3
      documents are no longer dependent on particular downgrading
      choices and that two methods presented are, to a considerable
      extent, just examples.  They are recommended as alternative
      Standards Track documents because they are protocol specifications
      and their sometimes-subtle details have have been carefully worked
      out, even though the WG has no general recommendation to make
      between them (or other strategies).

      While opinions differ in the WG about which downgrading mechanisms
      are likely to see the most use, if any, consensus is strong that
      these four documents represent the correct output.

   Document Quality

      Some development and interoperability testing has occurred and is
      progressing.  There are strong commitments in various countries to
      implement and deploy the EAI (more properly, SMTPUTF8) messages
      and functions specified in RFCs 6530 through 6533.  Those messages
      will be inaccessible to many users without POP3 and IMAP support,
      so these specifications are quite likely to be implemented and
      deployed in a timely fashion.

      Reviewers who made particular contributions prior to IETF Last
      Call are acknowledged in the documents.  See Section 3 for
      additional information.

   Personnel

      Document Shepherd:   John C Klensin
      Responsible Area Director:   Pete Resnick

   RFC Editor Note


OLD
   This procedure may generate empty  elements in
   "From:", "Sender:" and "Reply-To:" header fields.
   [I-D.leiba-5322upd-from-group] updates [RFC5322] to allow
   (empty)  elements in "From:", "Sender:" and
   "Reply-To:" header fields.

NEW
   This procedure may generate empty  elements in
   "From:",    "Sender:" and "Reply-To:" header fields.
   [I-D.leiba-5322upd-from-group] updates [RFC5322] to allow
   (empty)  elements in "From:" and "Sender:".

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Subject: [EAI] Protocol Action: 'POP3 Support for UTF-8' to Proposed Standard	(draft-ietf-eai-rfc5721bis-08.txt)
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This document is the product of the Email Address Internationalization
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The IESG contact persons are Pete Resnick and Barry Leiba.

A URL of this Internet Draft is:
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eai-rfc5721bis/




[Please note: This document is one a set of four interdependent
documents:

draft-ietf-eai-5738bis
draft-ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade
draft-ietf-eai-rfc5721bis
draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade

These documents should be reviewed, evaluated, and understood
together.]

   Technical Summary

      This specification extends the Post Office Protocol version 3
      (POP3) to support UTF-8 encoded international string in user
      names, passwords, mail addresses, message headers, and
      protocol-level textual strings.

   Working Group Summary

      No particular process issues of note. The WG had extensive and
      constructive discussions about the role of "downgrading" (e.g.,
      converting a message stored on the server that contains non-ASCII
      header or envelope information) in the transition to an all-i18n
      environment.  Some of those issues and tradeoffs are discussed in
      draft-ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade and
      draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade.  In some cases, the best strategy
      may be to "hide" those messages that cannot be delivered without
      change to legacy clients either with or without some attempt at an
      error message.  A complete treatment of those options is
      impossible because the optimal strategies will depend considerably
      on local circumstances.  Consequently the base IMAP and POP3
      documents are no longer dependent on particular downgrading
      choices and that two methods presented are, to a considerable
      extent, just examples.  They are recommended as alternative
      Standards Track documents because they are protocol specifications
      and their sometimes-subtle details have have been carefully worked
      out, even though the WG has no general recommendation to make
      between them (or other strategies).

      While opinions differ in the WG about which downgrading mechanisms
      are likely to see the most use, if any, consensus is strong that
      these four documents represent the correct output.

   Document Quality

      Some development and interoperability testing has occurred and is
      progressing.  There are strong commitments in various countries to
      implement and deploy the EAI (more properly, SMTPUTF8) messages
      and functions specified in RFCs 6530 through 6533.  Those messages
      will be inaccessible to many users without POP3 and IMAP support,
      so these specifications are quite likely to be implemented and
      deployed in a timely fashion.

      Reviewers who made particular contributions prior to IETF Last
      Call are acknowledged in the documents.  See Section 3 for
      additional information.

   Personnel

      Document Shepherd:   John C Klensin
      Responsible Area Director:   Pete Resnick

RFC Editor Note:

Please remove section 8 before publication.



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Subject: [EAI] Protocol Action: 'Simplified POP/IMAP Downgrading for	Internationalized Email' to Proposed Standard	(draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-07.txt)
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The IESG has approved the following document:
- 'Simplified POP/IMAP Downgrading for Internationalized Email'
  (draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-07.txt) as Proposed Standard

This document is the product of the Email Address Internationalization
Working Group.

The IESG contact persons are Pete Resnick and Barry Leiba.

A URL of this Internet Draft is:
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade/




[Please note: This document is one a set of four interdependent
documents:

draft-ietf-eai-5738bis
draft-ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade
draft-ietf-eai-rfc5721bis
draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade

These documents should be reviewed, evaluated, and understood
together.]

   Technical Summary

      This document specifies a method for IMAP and POP servers to
      serve internationalized messages to conventional clients.  The
      specification is simple, easy to implement and provides only
      rudimentary results.

   Working Group Summary

      No particular process issues of note. The WG had extensive and
      constructive discussions about the role of "downgrading" (e.g.,
      converting a message stored on the server that contains non-ASCII
      header or envelope information) in the transition to an all-i18n
      environment.  Some of those issues and tradeoffs are discussed in
      draft-ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade and
      draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade.  In some cases, the best strategy
      may be to "hide" those messages that cannot be delivered without
      change to legacy clients either with or without some attempt at an
      error message.  A complete treatment of those options is
      impossible because the optimal strategies will depend considerably
      on local circumstances.  Consequently the base IMAP and POP3
      documents are no longer dependent on particular downgrading
      choices and that two methods presented are, to a considerable
      extent, just examples.  They are recommended as alternative
      Standards Track documents because they are protocol specifications
      and their sometimes-subtle details have have been carefully worked
      out, even though the WG has no general recommendation to make
      between them (or other strategies).

      While opinions differ in the WG about which downgrading mechanisms
      are likely to see the most use, if any, consensus is strong that
      these four documents represent the correct output.

   Document Quality

      Some development and interoperability testing has occurred and is
      progressing.  There are strong commitments in various countries to
      implement and deploy the EAI (more properly, SMTPUTF8) messages
      and functions specified in RFCs 6530 through 6533.  Those messages
      will be inaccessible to many users without POP3 and IMAP support,
      so these specifications are quite likely to be implemented and
      deployed in a timely fashion.

      Reviewers who made particular contributions prior to IETF Last
      Call are acknowledged in the documents.  See Section 3 for
      additional information.

   Personnel

      Document Shepherd:   John C Klensin
      Responsible Area Director:   Pete Resnick

   RFC Editor Notes:

OLD (Section 1)
   containing internationalized messages, or even attempt to read

NEW
   containing internationalized messages, or even attempts to read

---

OLD (Section 1)
	proper support for [RFC5721] and/or [RFC5738].

NEW: 
	proper support for [I-D.ietf-eai-rfc5721bis] and/or
[I-D.ietf-eai-5738bis].

---

OLD (Section 2)
	encouraged to implement [RFC5738].
NEW
	encouraged to implement [I-D.ietf-eai-rfc5721bis] and/or
	[I-D.ietf-eai-5738bis].

---

OLD (Section 7)

   If the internationalized message uses any sort of signature, the
   synthetic message's signature almost certainly is invalid.  This is a
   necessary limitation of displaying internationalized messages in
   conventional clients, since the client does not support
   internationalized addresses.

NEW

   If the internationalized message uses any sort of signature that
   covers header fields, the synthetic message's signature almost
   certainly is invalid and may be invalid in other cases.  This is a
   necessary limitation of displaying internationalized messages in
   legacy clients, since those clients do not support internationalized
   header fields.  These cases are discussed in somewhat more detail in
   [I-D.ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade].   Even though invalid, these
   signatures SHOULD NOT be removed from the synthetic message,
   preserving as much of the information as possible from the original
   message.

---

OLD (Section 9)

   [RFC5721]  Gellens, R., and C. Newman, "POP3 Support for UTF-8", RFC
              5721, February 2010.
   [RFC5738]  Resnick, P. and C. Newman, "IMAP Support for UTF-8", RFC
              5738, March 2010.

NEW

   [I-D.ietf-eai-rfc5721bis]       Gellens, R., Newman, C., Yao, J., and
                                   K. Fujiwara, "POP3 Support for
                                   UTF-8", draft-ietf-eai-rfc5721bis-08
                                   (work in progress), October 2012.

   [I-D.ietf-eai-5738bis]          Resnick, P., Newman, C., and S. Shen,
                                   "IMAP Support for UTF-8",
                                   draft-ietf-eai-5738bis-09 (work in
                                   progress), August 2012.

   [I-D.ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade]  Fujiwara, K., "Post-delivery
                                     Message Downgrading for
                                     Internationalized Email Messages",
                                     draft-ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade-08
                                     (work in progress), October 2012.

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--On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 13:38 -0600 Pete Resnick
 wrote:

> On 11/20/12 7:11 PM, Jiankang YAO wrote:
> 
>> so, does it mean that we can see the approved message sent
>> from IESG secretary within this week?
>>    
> They have been sent.

On behalf of the WG, many thanks to you and Barry.

Best Thanksgiving wishes to those who celebrate that holiday
tomorrow.  

   john


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