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From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert@cisco.com>
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Dear all:

Draft 20 was published to address the comments by Eliot and Carlos, both gr=
eat and thoughtful suggestions.
The text was not changed dramatically, but some restructuration happened, i=
n particular to make section 3 lighter.
We have an open issue on the terminology, do we keep it there or resplit to=
 a separate document.

Let us talk at the IETF meeting - Carlos and Eliot, you are more than welco=
me to attend out slot and discuss the proposed resolution as published in -=
20.

All the best,

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Reviewer: Pascal Thubert
Review result: Not ready. Need to clarify IEEE relationship, IOW which SDO =
defines the use of L2 fields, what this spec enforces vs. recognizes as bei=
ng used that way based on IEEE work. The use of IPv6 ND requires a lot more=
 thoughts, recommendation to use 6LoWPAN ND. The definition of a subnet is =
unclear. It seems that RSUs would have prefixes but that is not discussed.

I am an assigned INT and IOT directorates reviewer for < draft-ietf-ipwave-=
ipv6-over-80211ocb-34 >. These comments were written primarily for the bene=
fit of the Internet Area Directors. Document editors and shepherd(s) should=
 treat these comments just like they would treat comments from any other IE=
TF contributors and resolve them along with any other Last Call comments th=
at have been received. For more details on the INT Directorate, see https:/=
/datatracker.ietf.org/group/intdir/about/


Majors issues
-----------------

"

o  Exceptions due to different operation of IPv6 network layer on
      802.11 than on Ethernet.

"
Is this doc scoped to OCB or 802.11 in general? Is there an expectation tha=
t an implementer of IPv6 over Wi-Fi refers to this doc?
Spelled as above, it seems that you are defining the LLC. Figure 1 shows th=
e proposed adaptation layer as IEEE LLC work. Who defines those fields, IET=
F or IEEE, or mixed? Who defines their use?
If this spec defines a new LLC header (vs. how to use an IEEE field)  then =
it should be very clear, and the newly defined fields should be isolated fr=
om IEEE fields.=20


"
   The IPv6 packet transmitted on 802.11-OCB MUST be immediately
   preceded by a Logical Link Control (LLC) header and an 802.11 header.

"
Is there anything new or specific to OCB vs. classical 802.11 operations? I=
f/when this is echoing the IEEE specs then this text should not use upperca=
se but say something like:
'Per IEEE Std 802.11, the IPv6 packet transmitted on 802.11-OCB is immediat=
ely  preceded by a Logical Link Control (LLC) header and an 802.11 header .=
..'


different things? Why define both?

"   An 'adaptation' layer is inserted between a MAC layer and the
   Networking layer.  This is used to transform some parameters between
   their form expected by the IP stack and the form provided by the MAC
   layer.
"
Is this different from what an AP does when it bridges Wi-Fi to Ethernet? I=
s this IETF business?


"
   The Receiver and Transmitter Address fields in the 802.11 header MUST
   contain the same values as the Destination and the Source Address
   fields in the Ethernet II Header, respectively.
"
Same,  this is IEEE game isn't it?=20


"

Solutions for these problems SHOULD
   consider the OCB mode of operation.
"
This is not specific enough to be actionable. I suggest to remove this sent=
ence.
It would be of interest for the people defining those solutions to understa=
nd the specific needs of OCB vs. Wi Fi, but I do not see text about that.=20

"

The method of forming IIDs
   described in section 4 of [RFC2464] MAY be used during transition
   time.
"
Contradicts section 4.3 that says
"
Among these types of
   addresses only the IPv6 link-local addresses MAY be formed using an
   EUI-64 identifier.
"

"

This
   subnet MUST use at least the link-local prefix fe80::/10 and the
   interfaces MUST be assigned IPv6 addresses of type link-local.
"
If this is conforming IPv6 then the MUST is not needed.=20


"
   A subnet is formed by the external 802.11-OCB interfaces of vehicles
   that are in close range (not by their in-vehicle interfaces).
"
Is the definition transitive? Do we really get a subnet?
 A is close to  B who is close to C .... to Z, makes Paris one subnet! Are =
you talking about a link, rather?


"
   The Neighbor Discovery protocol (ND) [RFC4861] MUST be used over
   802.11-OCB links.
"

IPv6 ND is not suited for a non-broadcast network. How does DAD work?=20
Maybe you could consider RFC 6775 / RFC 8505 instead.


"
In the moment the MAC address is changed
   on an 802.11-OCB interface all the Interface Identifiers of IPv6
   addresses assigned to that interface MUST change.
"
Why is that? This is unexpected, and hopefully wrong.

Minor issues
---------------

"   OCB (outside the context of a basic service set - BSS): A mode of
   operation in which a STA is not a member of a BSS and does not
   utilize IEEE Std 802.11 authentication, association, or data
   confidentiality.

   802.11-OCB: mode specified in IEEE Std 802.11-2016 when the MIB
   attribute dot11OCBActivited is true.  Note: compliance with standards
   and regulations set in different countries when using the 5.9GHz
   frequency band is required.
"

Are these 2 different things?

"
Among these types of
 addresses only the IPv6 link-local addresses MAY be formed using an
  EUI-64 identifier.
"
This text should not be in a LL specific section since it deals with the ot=
her addresses. Maybe rename the section to "addressing" or something?

"
   For privacy, the link-local address MAY be formed according to the
   mechanisms described in Section 5.2.
"
The MAY is not helpful. I suggest to remove the sentence that does not brin=
g value vs. 5.2

Could you make sections 4.3 and 4.5 contiguous?

"
If semantically
   opaque Interface Identifiers are needed, a potential method for
   generating semantically opaque Interface Identifiers with IPv6
   Stateless Address Autoconfiguration is given in [RFC7217].

   Semantically opaque Interface Identifiers, instead of meaningful
   Interface Identifiers derived from a valid and meaningful MAC address
   ([RFC2464], section 4), MAY be needed in order to avoid certain
   privacy risks.

...

   In order to avoid these risks, opaque Interface Identifiers MAY be
   formed according to rules described in [RFC7217].  These opaque
   Interface Identifiers are formed starting from identifiers different
   than the MAC addresses, and from cryptographically strong material.
   Thus, privacy sensitive information is absent from Interface IDs, and
   it is impossible to calculate the initial value from which the
   Interface ID was calculated.

"
Duplicate and mis ordered text, isn't it?=20


" For this reason, an attacker may realize many
   attacks on privacy.
"
Do we attack privacy? Maybe say that privacy is a real concern, and maybe m=
ove that text to security section?

"
   The way Interface Identifiers are used MAY involve risks to privacy,
   as described in Section 5.1.
"
Also duplicate

Nits
------

"
   IP packets MUST be transmitted over 802.11-OCB media as QoS Data
   frames whose format is specified in IEEE Std 802.11.
"
Please add link to the reference


" the 802.11 hidden node"
Do not use 802.11 standalone (multiple occurrences).
=3D> "the IEEE Std. 802.11 [ ref ] hidden node", or just "the hidden termin=
al".



BCP 14 text:

Suggest to use this text:
"
   The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT",
   "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "NOT RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and
   "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in https:=
//tools.ietf.org/html/bcp14
   https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp14 [https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2119][=
RFC8174] when, and only when, they appear in all
   capitals, as shown here.

"

All the best

Pascal


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Reviewer: Pascal Thubert
Review result: Not Ready

Reviewer: Pascal Thubert
Review result: Not ready. Need to clarify IEEE relationship, IOW which SDO
defines the use of L2 fields, what this spec enforces vs. recognizes as being
used that way based on IEEE work. The use of IPv6 ND requires a lot more
thoughts, recommendation to use 6LoWPAN ND. The definition of a subnet is
unclear. It seems that RSUs would have prefixes but that is not discussed.

I am an assigned INT and IOT directorates reviewer for <
draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-34 >. These comments were written
primarily for the benefit of the Internet Area Directors. Document editors and
shepherd(s) should treat these comments just like they would treat comments
from any other IETF contributors and resolve them along with any other Last
Call comments that have been received. For more details on the INT Directorate,
see https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/intdir/about/

Majors issues
-----------------

“

o  Exceptions due to different operation of IPv6 network layer on
      802.11 than on Ethernet.

“
Is this doc scoped to OCB or 802.11 in general? Is there an expectation that an
implementer of IPv6 over Wi-Fi refers to this doc? Spelled as above, it seems
that you are defining the LLC. Figure 1 shows the proposed adaptation layer as
IEEE LLC work. Who defines those fields, IETF or IEEE, or mixed? Who defines
their use? If this spec defines a new LLC header (vs. how to use an IEEE field)
 then it should be very clear, and the newly defined fields should be isolated
from IEEE fields.

"
   The IPv6 packet transmitted on 802.11-OCB MUST be immediately
   preceded by a Logical Link Control (LLC) header and an 802.11 header.

"
Is there anything new or specific to OCB vs. classical 802.11 operations?
If/when this is echoing the IEEE specs then this text should not use uppercase
but say something like: 'Per IEEE Std 802.11, the IPv6 packet transmitted on
802.11-OCB is immediately  preceded by a Logical Link Control (LLC) header and
an 802.11 header ...'

different things? Why define both?

"   An 'adaptation' layer is inserted between a MAC layer and the
   Networking layer.  This is used to transform some parameters between
   their form expected by the IP stack and the form provided by the MAC
   layer.
"
Is this different from what an AP does when it bridges Wi-Fi to Ethernet? Is
this IETF business?

"
   The Receiver and Transmitter Address fields in the 802.11 header MUST
   contain the same values as the Destination and the Source Address
   fields in the Ethernet II Header, respectively.
"
Same,  this is IEEE game isn't it?

"

Solutions for these problems SHOULD
   consider the OCB mode of operation.
"
This is not specific enough to be actionable. I suggest to remove this sentence.
It would be of interest for the people defining those solutions to understand
the specific needs of OCB vs. Wi Fi, but I do not see text about that.

"

The method of forming IIDs
   described in section 4 of [RFC2464] MAY be used during transition
   time.
"
Contradicts section 4.3 that says
"
Among these types of
   addresses only the IPv6 link-local addresses MAY be formed using an
   EUI-64 identifier.
"

"

This
   subnet MUST use at least the link-local prefix fe80::/10 and the
   interfaces MUST be assigned IPv6 addresses of type link-local.
"
If this is conforming IPv6 then the MUST is not needed.

"
   A subnet is formed by the external 802.11-OCB interfaces of vehicles
   that are in close range (not by their in-vehicle interfaces).
"
Is the definition transitive? Do we really get a subnet?
 A is close to  B who is close to C .... to Z, makes Paris one subnet! Are you
 talking about a link, rather?

"
   The Neighbor Discovery protocol (ND) [RFC4861] MUST be used over
   802.11-OCB links.
"

IPv6 ND is not suited for a non-broadcast network. How does DAD work?
Maybe you could consider RFC 6775 / RFC 8505 instead.

"
In the moment the MAC address is changed
   on an 802.11-OCB interface all the Interface Identifiers of IPv6
   addresses assigned to that interface MUST change.
"
Why is that? This is unexpected, and hopefully wrong.

Minor issues
---------------

"   OCB (outside the context of a basic service set - BSS): A mode of
   operation in which a STA is not a member of a BSS and does not
   utilize IEEE Std 802.11 authentication, association, or data
   confidentiality.

   802.11-OCB: mode specified in IEEE Std 802.11-2016 when the MIB
   attribute dot11OCBActivited is true.  Note: compliance with standards
   and regulations set in different countries when using the 5.9GHz
   frequency band is required.
"

Are these 2 different things?

"
Among these types of
 addresses only the IPv6 link-local addresses MAY be formed using an
  EUI-64 identifier.
"
This text should not be in a LL specific section since it deals with the other
addresses. Maybe rename the section to "addressing" or something?

"
   For privacy, the link-local address MAY be formed according to the
   mechanisms described in Section 5.2.
"
The MAY is not helpful. I suggest to remove the sentence that does not bring
value vs. 5.2

Could you make sections 4.3 and 4.5 contiguous?

"
If semantically
   opaque Interface Identifiers are needed, a potential method for
   generating semantically opaque Interface Identifiers with IPv6
   Stateless Address Autoconfiguration is given in [RFC7217].

   Semantically opaque Interface Identifiers, instead of meaningful
   Interface Identifiers derived from a valid and meaningful MAC address
   ([RFC2464], section 4), MAY be needed in order to avoid certain
   privacy risks.

...

   In order to avoid these risks, opaque Interface Identifiers MAY be
   formed according to rules described in [RFC7217].  These opaque
   Interface Identifiers are formed starting from identifiers different
   than the MAC addresses, and from cryptographically strong material.
   Thus, privacy sensitive information is absent from Interface IDs, and
   it is impossible to calculate the initial value from which the
   Interface ID was calculated.

"
Duplicate and mis ordered text, isn't it?

" For this reason, an attacker may realize many
   attacks on privacy.
"
Do we attack privacy? Maybe say that privacy is a real concern, and maybe move
that text to security section?

"
   The way Interface Identifiers are used MAY involve risks to privacy,
   as described in Section 5.1.
"
Also duplicate

Nits
------

"
   IP packets MUST be transmitted over 802.11-OCB media as QoS Data
   frames whose format is specified in IEEE Std 802.11.
"
Please add link to the reference

" the 802.11 hidden node"
Do not use 802.11 standalone (multiple occurrences).
=> "the IEEE Std. 802.11 [ ref ] hidden node", or just "the hidden terminal".

BCP 14 text:

Suggest to use this text:
“
   The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT",
   "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "NOT RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and
   "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in
   https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp14 https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp14
   [https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2119][RFC8174] when, and only when, they
   appear in all capitals, as shown here.

“

All the best

Pascal



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Thanks a lot Pascal!

Authors: please take a look at the review and address the comments,
providing a response on how you plan to address them.

Carlos

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 12:16 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <
pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:

> Reviewer: Pascal Thubert
> Review result: Not ready. Need to clarify IEEE relationship, IOW which SDO
> defines the use of L2 fields, what this spec enforces vs. recognizes as
> being used that way based on IEEE work. The use of IPv6 ND requires a lot
> more thoughts, recommendation to use 6LoWPAN ND. The definition of a subnet
> is unclear. It seems that RSUs would have prefixes but that is not
> discussed.
>
> I am an assigned INT and IOT directorates reviewer for <
> draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-34 >. These comments were written
> primarily for the benefit of the Internet Area Directors. Document editors
> and shepherd(s) should treat these comments just like they would treat
> comments from any other IETF contributors and resolve them along with any
> other Last Call comments that have been received. For more details on the
> INT Directorate, see https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/intdir/about/
>
>
> Majors issues
> -----------------
>
> "
>
> o  Exceptions due to different operation of IPv6 network layer on
>       802.11 than on Ethernet.
>
> "
> Is this doc scoped to OCB or 802.11 in general? Is there an expectation
> that an implementer of IPv6 over Wi-Fi refers to this doc?
> Spelled as above, it seems that you are defining the LLC. Figure 1 shows
> the proposed adaptation layer as IEEE LLC work. Who defines those fields,
> IETF or IEEE, or mixed? Who defines their use?
> If this spec defines a new LLC header (vs. how to use an IEEE field)  then
> it should be very clear, and the newly defined fields should be isolated
> from IEEE fields.
>
>
> "
>    The IPv6 packet transmitted on 802.11-OCB MUST be immediately
>    preceded by a Logical Link Control (LLC) header and an 802.11 header.
>
> "
> Is there anything new or specific to OCB vs. classical 802.11 operations?
> If/when this is echoing the IEEE specs then this text should not use
> uppercase but say something like:
> 'Per IEEE Std 802.11, the IPv6 packet transmitted on 802.11-OCB is
> immediately  preceded by a Logical Link Control (LLC) header and an 802.11
> header ...'
>
>
> different things? Why define both?
>
> "   An 'adaptation' layer is inserted between a MAC layer and the
>    Networking layer.  This is used to transform some parameters between
>    their form expected by the IP stack and the form provided by the MAC
>    layer.
> "
> Is this different from what an AP does when it bridges Wi-Fi to Ethernet?
> Is this IETF business?
>
>
> "
>    The Receiver and Transmitter Address fields in the 802.11 header MUST
>    contain the same values as the Destination and the Source Address
>    fields in the Ethernet II Header, respectively.
> "
> Same,  this is IEEE game isn't it?
>
>
> "
>
> Solutions for these problems SHOULD
>    consider the OCB mode of operation.
> "
> This is not specific enough to be actionable. I suggest to remove this
> sentence.
> It would be of interest for the people defining those solutions to
> understand the specific needs of OCB vs. Wi Fi, but I do not see text about
> that.
>
> "
>
> The method of forming IIDs
>    described in section 4 of [RFC2464] MAY be used during transition
>    time.
> "
> Contradicts section 4.3 that says
> "
> Among these types of
>    addresses only the IPv6 link-local addresses MAY be formed using an
>    EUI-64 identifier.
> "
>
> "
>
> This
>    subnet MUST use at least the link-local prefix fe80::/10 and the
>    interfaces MUST be assigned IPv6 addresses of type link-local.
> "
> If this is conforming IPv6 then the MUST is not needed.
>
>
> "
>    A subnet is formed by the external 802.11-OCB interfaces of vehicles
>    that are in close range (not by their in-vehicle interfaces).
> "
> Is the definition transitive? Do we really get a subnet?
>  A is close to  B who is close to C .... to Z, makes Paris one subnet! Are
> you talking about a link, rather?
>
>
> "
>    The Neighbor Discovery protocol (ND) [RFC4861] MUST be used over
>    802.11-OCB links.
> "
>
> IPv6 ND is not suited for a non-broadcast network. How does DAD work?
> Maybe you could consider RFC 6775 / RFC 8505 instead.
>
>
> "
> In the moment the MAC address is changed
>    on an 802.11-OCB interface all the Interface Identifiers of IPv6
>    addresses assigned to that interface MUST change.
> "
> Why is that? This is unexpected, and hopefully wrong.
>
> Minor issues
> ---------------
>
> "   OCB (outside the context of a basic service set - BSS): A mode of
>    operation in which a STA is not a member of a BSS and does not
>    utilize IEEE Std 802.11 authentication, association, or data
>    confidentiality.
>
>    802.11-OCB: mode specified in IEEE Std 802.11-2016 when the MIB
>    attribute dot11OCBActivited is true.  Note: compliance with standards
>    and regulations set in different countries when using the 5.9GHz
>    frequency band is required.
> "
>
> Are these 2 different things?
>
> "
> Among these types of
>  addresses only the IPv6 link-local addresses MAY be formed using an
>   EUI-64 identifier.
> "
> This text should not be in a LL specific section since it deals with the
> other addresses. Maybe rename the section to "addressing" or something?
>
> "
>    For privacy, the link-local address MAY be formed according to the
>    mechanisms described in Section 5.2.
> "
> The MAY is not helpful. I suggest to remove the sentence that does not
> bring value vs. 5.2
>
> Could you make sections 4.3 and 4.5 contiguous?
>
> "
> If semantically
>    opaque Interface Identifiers are needed, a potential method for
>    generating semantically opaque Interface Identifiers with IPv6
>    Stateless Address Autoconfiguration is given in [RFC7217].
>
>    Semantically opaque Interface Identifiers, instead of meaningful
>    Interface Identifiers derived from a valid and meaningful MAC address
>    ([RFC2464], section 4), MAY be needed in order to avoid certain
>    privacy risks.
>
> ....
>
>    In order to avoid these risks, opaque Interface Identifiers MAY be
>    formed according to rules described in [RFC7217].  These opaque
>    Interface Identifiers are formed starting from identifiers different
>    than the MAC addresses, and from cryptographically strong material.
>    Thus, privacy sensitive information is absent from Interface IDs, and
>    it is impossible to calculate the initial value from which the
>    Interface ID was calculated.
>
> "
> Duplicate and mis ordered text, isn't it?
>
>
> " For this reason, an attacker may realize many
>    attacks on privacy.
> "
> Do we attack privacy? Maybe say that privacy is a real concern, and maybe
> move that text to security section?
>
> "
>    The way Interface Identifiers are used MAY involve risks to privacy,
>    as described in Section 5.1.
> "
> Also duplicate
>
> Nits
> ------
>
> "
>    IP packets MUST be transmitted over 802.11-OCB media as QoS Data
>    frames whose format is specified in IEEE Std 802.11.
> "
> Please add link to the reference
>
>
> " the 802.11 hidden node"
> Do not use 802.11 standalone (multiple occurrences).
> => "the IEEE Std. 802.11 [ ref ] hidden node", or just "the hidden
> terminal".
>
>
>
> BCP 14 text:
>
> Suggest to use this text:
> "
>    The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT",
>    "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "NOT RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and
>    "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp14
>    https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp14 [
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2119][RFC8174] when, and only when, they
> appear in all
>    capitals, as shown here.
>
> "
>
> All the best
>
> Pascal
>
> _______________________________________________
> Int-dir mailing list
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks a lot Pascal!<div><br></div><div>Authors: please ta=
ke a look at the review and address the comments, providing a response on h=
ow you plan to address them.</div><div><br></div><div>Carlos</div></div><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, M=
ar 4, 2019 at 12:16 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pthu=
bert@cisco.com">pthubert@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid r=
gb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Reviewer: Pascal Thubert<br>
Review result: Not ready. Need to clarify IEEE relationship, IOW which SDO =
defines the use of L2 fields, what this spec enforces vs. recognizes as bei=
ng used that way based on IEEE work. The use of IPv6 ND requires a lot more=
 thoughts, recommendation to use 6LoWPAN ND. The definition of a subnet is =
unclear. It seems that RSUs would have prefixes but that is not discussed.<=
br>
<br>
I am an assigned INT and IOT directorates reviewer for &lt; draft-ietf-ipwa=
ve-ipv6-over-80211ocb-34 &gt;. These comments were written primarily for th=
e benefit of the Internet Area Directors. Document editors and shepherd(s) =
should treat these comments just like they would treat comments from any ot=
her IETF contributors and resolve them along with any other Last Call comme=
nts that have been received. For more details on the INT Directorate, see <=
a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/intdir/about/" rel=3D"noreferr=
er" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/intdir/about/</a><=
br>
<br>
<br>
Majors issues<br>
-----------------<br>
<br>
&quot;<br>
<br>
o=C2=A0 Exceptions due to different operation of IPv6 network layer on<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 802.11 than on Ethernet.<br>
<br>
&quot;<br>
Is this doc scoped to OCB or 802.11 in general? Is there an expectation tha=
t an implementer of IPv6 over Wi-Fi refers to this doc?<br>
Spelled as above, it seems that you are defining the LLC. Figure 1 shows th=
e proposed adaptation layer as IEEE LLC work. Who defines those fields, IET=
F or IEEE, or mixed? Who defines their use?<br>
If this spec defines a new LLC header (vs. how to use an IEEE field)=C2=A0 =
then it should be very clear, and the newly defined fields should be isolat=
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<br>
<br>
&quot;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The IPv6 packet transmitted on 802.11-OCB MUST be immediately<=
br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0preceded by a Logical Link Control (LLC) header and an 802.11 =
header.<br>
<br>
&quot;<br>
Is there anything new or specific to OCB vs. classical 802.11 operations? I=
f/when this is echoing the IEEE specs then this text should not use upperca=
se but say something like:<br>
&#39;Per IEEE Std 802.11, the IPv6 packet transmitted on 802.11-OCB is imme=
diately=C2=A0 preceded by a Logical Link Control (LLC) header and an 802.11=
 header ...&#39;<br>
<br>
<br>
different things? Why define both?<br>
<br>
&quot;=C2=A0 =C2=A0An &#39;adaptation&#39; layer is inserted between a MAC =
layer and the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Networking layer.=C2=A0 This is used to transform some paramet=
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0their form expected by the IP stack and the form provided by t=
he MAC<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0layer.<br>
&quot;<br>
Is this different from what an AP does when it bridges Wi-Fi to Ethernet? I=
s this IETF business?<br>
<br>
<br>
&quot;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The Receiver and Transmitter Address fields in the 802.11 head=
er MUST<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0contain the same values as the Destination and the Source Addr=
ess<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0fields in the Ethernet II Header, respectively.<br>
&quot;<br>
Same,=C2=A0 this is IEEE game isn&#39;t it? <br>
<br>
<br>
&quot;<br>
<br>
Solutions for these problems SHOULD<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0consider the OCB mode of operation.<br>
&quot;<br>
This is not specific enough to be actionable. I suggest to remove this sent=
ence.<br>
It would be of interest for the people defining those solutions to understa=
nd the specific needs of OCB vs. Wi Fi, but I do not see text about that. <=
br>
<br>
&quot;<br>
<br>
The method of forming IIDs<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0described in section 4 of [RFC2464] MAY be used during transit=
ion<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0time.<br>
&quot;<br>
Contradicts section 4.3 that says<br>
&quot;<br>
Among these types of<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0addresses only the IPv6 link-local addresses MAY be formed usi=
ng an<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0EUI-64 identifier.<br>
&quot;<br>
<br>
&quot;<br>
<br>
This<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0subnet MUST use at least the link-local prefix fe80::/10 and t=
he<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0interfaces MUST be assigned IPv6 addresses of type link-local.=
<br>
&quot;<br>
If this is conforming IPv6 then the MUST is not needed. <br>
<br>
<br>
&quot;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0A subnet is formed by the external 802.11-OCB interfaces of ve=
hicles<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0that are in close range (not by their in-vehicle interfaces).<=
br>
&quot;<br>
Is the definition transitive? Do we really get a subnet?<br>
=C2=A0A is close to=C2=A0 B who is close to C .... to Z, makes Paris one su=
bnet! Are you talking about a link, rather?<br>
<br>
<br>
&quot;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The Neighbor Discovery protocol (ND) [RFC4861] MUST be used ov=
er<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0802.11-OCB links.<br>
&quot;<br>
<br>
IPv6 ND is not suited for a non-broadcast network. How does DAD work? <br>
Maybe you could consider RFC 6775 / RFC 8505 instead.<br>
<br>
<br>
&quot;<br>
In the moment the MAC address is changed<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0on an 802.11-OCB interface all the Interface Identifiers of IP=
v6<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0addresses assigned to that interface MUST change.<br>
&quot;<br>
Why is that? This is unexpected, and hopefully wrong.<br>
<br>
Minor issues<br>
---------------<br>
<br>
&quot;=C2=A0 =C2=A0OCB (outside the context of a basic service set - BSS): =
A mode of<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0operation in which a STA is not a member of a BSS and does not=
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0utilize IEEE Std 802.11 authentication, association, or data<b=
r>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0confidentiality.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0802.11-OCB: mode specified in IEEE Std 802.11-2016 when the MI=
B<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0attribute dot11OCBActivited is true.=C2=A0 Note: compliance wi=
th standards<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and regulations set in different countries when using the 5.9G=
Hz<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0frequency band is required.<br>
&quot;<br>
<br>
Are these 2 different things?<br>
<br>
&quot;<br>
Among these types of<br>
=C2=A0addresses only the IPv6 link-local addresses MAY be formed using an<b=
r>
=C2=A0 EUI-64 identifier.<br>
&quot;<br>
This text should not be in a LL specific section since it deals with the ot=
her addresses. Maybe rename the section to &quot;addressing&quot; or someth=
ing?<br>
<br>
&quot;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0For privacy, the link-local address MAY be formed according to=
 the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0mechanisms described in Section 5.2.<br>
&quot;<br>
The MAY is not helpful. I suggest to remove the sentence that does not brin=
g value vs. 5.2<br>
<br>
Could you make sections 4.3 and 4.5 contiguous?<br>
<br>
&quot;<br>
If semantically<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0opaque Interface Identifiers are needed, a potential method fo=
r<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0generating semantically opaque Interface Identifiers with IPv6=
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Stateless Address Autoconfiguration is given in [RFC7217].<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Semantically opaque Interface Identifiers, instead of meaningf=
ul<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Interface Identifiers derived from a valid and meaningful MAC =
address<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0([RFC2464], section 4), MAY be needed in order to avoid certai=
n<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0privacy risks.<br>
<br>
....<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0In order to avoid these risks, opaque Interface Identifiers MA=
Y be<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0formed according to rules described in [RFC7217].=C2=A0 These =
opaque<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Interface Identifiers are formed starting from identifiers dif=
ferent<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0than the MAC addresses, and from cryptographically strong mate=
rial.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Thus, privacy sensitive information is absent from Interface I=
Ds, and<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0it is impossible to calculate the initial value from which the=
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Interface ID was calculated.<br>
<br>
&quot;<br>
Duplicate and mis ordered text, isn&#39;t it? <br>
<br>
<br>
&quot; For this reason, an attacker may realize many<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0attacks on privacy.<br>
&quot;<br>
Do we attack privacy? Maybe say that privacy is a real concern, and maybe m=
ove that text to security section?<br>
<br>
&quot;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The way Interface Identifiers are used MAY involve risks to pr=
ivacy,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0as described in Section 5.1.<br>
&quot;<br>
Also duplicate<br>
<br>
Nits<br>
------<br>
<br>
&quot;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0IP packets MUST be transmitted over 802.11-OCB media as QoS Da=
ta<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0frames whose format is specified in IEEE Std 802.11.<br>
&quot;<br>
Please add link to the reference<br>
<br>
<br>
&quot; the 802.11 hidden node&quot;<br>
Do not use 802.11 standalone (multiple occurrences).<br>
=3D&gt; &quot;the IEEE Std. 802.11 [ ref ] hidden node&quot;, or just &quot=
;the hidden terminal&quot;.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
BCP 14 text:<br>
<br>
Suggest to use this text:<br>
&quot;<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The key words &quot;MUST&quot;, &quot;MUST NOT&quot;, &quot;RE=
QUIRED&quot;, &quot;SHALL&quot;, &quot;SHALL NOT&quot;,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot;SHOULD&quot;, &quot;SHOULD NOT&quot;, &quot;RECOMMENDED&=
quot;, &quot;NOT RECOMMENDED&quot;, &quot;MAY&quot;, and<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot;OPTIONAL&quot; in this document are to be interpreted as=
 described in <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp14" rel=3D"noreferr=
er" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp14</a><br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp14" rel=3D"noreferre=
r" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp14</a> [<a href=3D"http=
s://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2119%5D%5BRFC8174" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"=
_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2119][RFC8174</a>] when, and only wh=
en, they appear in all<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0capitals, as shown here.<br>
<br>
&quot;<br>
<br>
All the best<br>
<br>
Pascal<br>
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Thanks a lot for your review Pascal. Carlos and Russ are co-ordinating with=
 the authors to work on a response.

Regards
Suresh

> On Mar 4, 2019, at 6:14 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com=
> wrote:
>=20
> Reviewer: Pascal Thubert
> Review result: Not ready. Need to clarify IEEE relationship, IOW which SD=
O defines the use of L2 fields, what this spec enforces vs. recognizes as b=
eing used that way based on IEEE work. The use of IPv6 ND requires a lot mo=
re thoughts, recommendation to use 6LoWPAN ND. The definition of a subnet i=
s unclear. It seems that RSUs would have prefixes but that is not discussed=
.
>=20
> I am an assigned INT and IOT directorates reviewer for < draft-ietf-ipwav=
e-ipv6-over-80211ocb-34 >. These comments were written primarily for the be=
nefit of the Internet Area Directors. Document editors and shepherd(s) shou=
ld treat these comments just like they would treat comments from any other =
IETF contributors and resolve them along with any other Last Call comments =
that have been received. For more details on the INT Directorate, see https=
://datatracker.ietf.org/group/intdir/about/
>=20
>=20
> Majors issues
> -----------------
>=20
> "
>=20
> o  Exceptions due to different operation of IPv6 network layer on
>      802.11 than on Ethernet.
>=20
> "
> Is this doc scoped to OCB or 802.11 in general? Is there an expectation t=
hat an implementer of IPv6 over Wi-Fi refers to this doc?
> Spelled as above, it seems that you are defining the LLC. Figure 1 shows =
the proposed adaptation layer as IEEE LLC work. Who defines those fields, I=
ETF or IEEE, or mixed? Who defines their use?
> If this spec defines a new LLC header (vs. how to use an IEEE field)  the=
n it should be very clear, and the newly defined fields should be isolated =
from IEEE fields.=20
>=20
>=20
> "
>   The IPv6 packet transmitted on 802.11-OCB MUST be immediately
>   preceded by a Logical Link Control (LLC) header and an 802.11 header.
>=20
> "
> Is there anything new or specific to OCB vs. classical 802.11 operations?=
 If/when this is echoing the IEEE specs then this text should not use upper=
case but say something like:
> 'Per IEEE Std 802.11, the IPv6 packet transmitted on 802.11-OCB is immedi=
ately  preceded by a Logical Link Control (LLC) header and an 802.11 header=
 ...'
>=20
>=20
> different things? Why define both?
>=20
> "   An 'adaptation' layer is inserted between a MAC layer and the
>   Networking layer.  This is used to transform some parameters between
>   their form expected by the IP stack and the form provided by the MAC
>   layer.
> "
> Is this different from what an AP does when it bridges Wi-Fi to Ethernet?=
 Is this IETF business?
>=20
>=20
> "
>   The Receiver and Transmitter Address fields in the 802.11 header MUST
>   contain the same values as the Destination and the Source Address
>   fields in the Ethernet II Header, respectively.
> "
> Same,  this is IEEE game isn't it?=20
>=20
>=20
> "
>=20
> Solutions for these problems SHOULD
>   consider the OCB mode of operation.
> "
> This is not specific enough to be actionable. I suggest to remove this se=
ntence.
> It would be of interest for the people defining those solutions to unders=
tand the specific needs of OCB vs. Wi Fi, but I do not see text about that.=
=20
>=20
> "
>=20
> The method of forming IIDs
>   described in section 4 of [RFC2464] MAY be used during transition
>   time.
> "
> Contradicts section 4.3 that says
> "
> Among these types of
>   addresses only the IPv6 link-local addresses MAY be formed using an
>   EUI-64 identifier.
> "
>=20
> "
>=20
> This
>   subnet MUST use at least the link-local prefix fe80::/10 and the
>   interfaces MUST be assigned IPv6 addresses of type link-local.
> "
> If this is conforming IPv6 then the MUST is not needed.=20
>=20
>=20
> "
>   A subnet is formed by the external 802.11-OCB interfaces of vehicles
>   that are in close range (not by their in-vehicle interfaces).
> "
> Is the definition transitive? Do we really get a subnet?
> A is close to  B who is close to C .... to Z, makes Paris one subnet! Are=
 you talking about a link, rather?
>=20
>=20
> "
>   The Neighbor Discovery protocol (ND) [RFC4861] MUST be used over
>   802.11-OCB links.
> "
>=20
> IPv6 ND is not suited for a non-broadcast network. How does DAD work?=20
> Maybe you could consider RFC 6775 / RFC 8505 instead.
>=20
>=20
> "
> In the moment the MAC address is changed
>   on an 802.11-OCB interface all the Interface Identifiers of IPv6
>   addresses assigned to that interface MUST change.
> "
> Why is that? This is unexpected, and hopefully wrong.
>=20
> Minor issues
> ---------------
>=20
> "   OCB (outside the context of a basic service set - BSS): A mode of
>   operation in which a STA is not a member of a BSS and does not
>   utilize IEEE Std 802.11 authentication, association, or data
>   confidentiality.
>=20
>   802.11-OCB: mode specified in IEEE Std 802.11-2016 when the MIB
>   attribute dot11OCBActivited is true.  Note: compliance with standards
>   and regulations set in different countries when using the 5.9GHz
>   frequency band is required.
> "
>=20
> Are these 2 different things?
>=20
> "
> Among these types of
> addresses only the IPv6 link-local addresses MAY be formed using an
>  EUI-64 identifier.
> "
> This text should not be in a LL specific section since it deals with the =
other addresses. Maybe rename the section to "addressing" or something?
>=20
> "
>   For privacy, the link-local address MAY be formed according to the
>   mechanisms described in Section 5.2.
> "
> The MAY is not helpful. I suggest to remove the sentence that does not br=
ing value vs. 5.2
>=20
> Could you make sections 4.3 and 4.5 contiguous?
>=20
> "
> If semantically
>   opaque Interface Identifiers are needed, a potential method for
>   generating semantically opaque Interface Identifiers with IPv6
>   Stateless Address Autoconfiguration is given in [RFC7217].
>=20
>   Semantically opaque Interface Identifiers, instead of meaningful
>   Interface Identifiers derived from a valid and meaningful MAC address
>   ([RFC2464], section 4), MAY be needed in order to avoid certain
>   privacy risks.
>=20
> ....
>=20
>   In order to avoid these risks, opaque Interface Identifiers MAY be
>   formed according to rules described in [RFC7217].  These opaque
>   Interface Identifiers are formed starting from identifiers different
>   than the MAC addresses, and from cryptographically strong material.
>   Thus, privacy sensitive information is absent from Interface IDs, and
>   it is impossible to calculate the initial value from which the
>   Interface ID was calculated.
>=20
> "
> Duplicate and mis ordered text, isn't it?=20
>=20
>=20
> " For this reason, an attacker may realize many
>   attacks on privacy.
> "
> Do we attack privacy? Maybe say that privacy is a real concern, and maybe=
 move that text to security section?
>=20
> "
>   The way Interface Identifiers are used MAY involve risks to privacy,
>   as described in Section 5.1.
> "
> Also duplicate
>=20
> Nits
> ------
>=20
> "
>   IP packets MUST be transmitted over 802.11-OCB media as QoS Data
>   frames whose format is specified in IEEE Std 802.11.
> "
> Please add link to the reference
>=20
>=20
> " the 802.11 hidden node"
> Do not use 802.11 standalone (multiple occurrences).
> =3D> "the IEEE Std. 802.11 [ ref ] hidden node", or just "the hidden term=
inal".
>=20
>=20
>=20
> BCP 14 text:
>=20
> Suggest to use this text:
> "
>   The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT",
>   "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "NOT RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and
>   "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in https=
://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp14
>   https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp14 [https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2119]=
[RFC8174] when, and only when, they appear in all
>   capitals, as shown here.
>=20
> "
>=20
> All the best
>=20
> Pascal
>=20
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Hi Charlie, thanks for the review!

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 7:00 PM Charles Perkins <charliep@computer.org> wrote:
>
> Reviewer: Charles Perkins
> Review result: Almost Ready
>
> This document needs an applicability statement which includes the assumptions
> and the reasons it might be useful.  Deliverability needs to be expanded.

I will add an applicability statement.

> Reasons why middleboxes would be unlikely inspect GUE fields might be included.
>
See comment below.

> For instance, the discussion in second paragraph of 5.11.1 belongs in the
> applicability statement.
>
Okay

> It should also be explained why arbitrary GUE extensions are less likely to be
> filtered out compared to IPv6 destination options.

I'll clarify the requirements about middle boxes parsing and
processing GUE headers and make it clear MUST NOT to do this and a
SHOULD NOT for inspecting GUE header. However, as long as GUE is in
plaintext and sent to a well-known port number there's nothing we
could do to prevent middlebox inspection or this sort or filtering if
someone really wants to do it. In fact the draft assumes inspection
will happen and sets requirements for it. Authentication of the GUE
header would at least be a way to detect if middelboxes modify the
header.

> ============================================== The document assumes close
> familiarity with deployment scenarios that seem to be characterized by acronyms
> such as RSS, aRFS, TSO, LRO, etc.  While I am pretty familiar with a lot of
> encapsulation techniques, I had to study the meaning of these acronyms.  If it
> is intended to effectively restrict the intended audience, that is O.K., but
> otherwise more background is needed along with relevant citations.

I'll add some referecences, however note that this is in the appendix
(although Appendix A doesn't have the blurb about just being
informative so I'll add that).

> ============================================== [GUEEXTENS] is cited in a way
> that places a normative dependency on [GUEEXTENS].  So, [GUEEXTENS] belongs in

Okay.

> the Normative References. ============================================== I have
> a large number of specific comments which I will post shortly in the form of a
> rfcdiff-generated file.
>

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Hi Pascal,

Thank you for the Intdir review.  We consider it closely.

Le 04/03/2019 =C3=A0 12:24, Pascal Thubert a =C3=A9crit :
[...]
> Need to clarify IEEE relationship, IOW which SDO defines the use of
> L2 fields, [...]

Is 'IOW' 'In Other Words'?

Alex

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