From nobody Sun Feb 14 07:22:04 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-dir@ietf.org Delivered-To: int-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACAA93A0DE1; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 07:22:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Tim Chown via Datatracker To: Cc: detnet@ietf.org, draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-tsn.all@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.25.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <161331612359.11937.4500760907095871686@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: Tim Chown Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 07:22:03 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Int-dir] Intdir telechat review of draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-tsn-05 X-BeenThere: int-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "This list is for discussion between the members of the Internet Area directorate." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 15:22:04 -0000 Reviewer: Tim Chown Review result: Ready with Nits Hi, Re: INT-DIR review of draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-tsn-05 This draft details how a DetNet IP data plane can run over a TSN sub-network. I have reviewed this document and believe it is Ready for publication, with Nits. Note I am not overly familiar with specifics of the DetNet architecture. There are some hopefully simple questions that might be addressed and some minor editorial nits as detailed below. Nits: p.2 Expand TSN on first use, rather than on page 4. p.3 Is “6-tuple” well-defined? Perhaps expand for clarity. p.4 Is there a specific reason to show a multi-homed TSN node? Are there implications if it is multi homed in TSN but not IP? p.5 Not being familiar with DetNet in detail it might be useful to expand on the rationale for mapping to multicast given the statement that the flow is “directed”. p.6 covers required -> covers the required I note it says there are no requirements stated for TSN-unaware nodes in the document, but is it worth adding something about requirements to ensure the TSN Relay can be reached? p.7 Implementations must -> implementation must (twice) FRER function -> The FRER function p.8 of the document -> of this document challanges -> challenges Are member -=> are members p.9 In some case -> in some cases -- Tim From nobody Sun Feb 14 07:33:49 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-dir@ietf.org Delivered-To: int-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80A93A0E04; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 07:33:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Tim Chown via Datatracker To: Cc: detnet@ietf.org, draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-tsn.all@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.25.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <161331682374.13755.15439036471779607099@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: Tim Chown Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 07:33:43 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Int-dir] Intdir telechat review of draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-tsn-05 X-BeenThere: int-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "This list is for discussion between the members of the Internet Area directorate." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 15:33:44 -0000 Reviewer: Tim Chown Review result: Ready with Nits Hi, Re: INT-DIR review of draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-tsn-06 This draft details how a DetNet MPLS data plane can run over a TSN sub-network. I have reviewed this document and believe it is Ready for publication, with Nits, as listed below. Nits: p.2 Loss rates -> loss rate Provides congestion -> provide congestion For MPLS-based -> for an MPLS-based p.3 Include MSRP and RSVP-TE? p.4 And resources -> and resource p.5 >From MPLS -> from the MPLS Does not -> do not In case of -> In the case of As per the IP doc, not being familiar with DetNet in detail it might be useful to expand on the rationale for mapping to multicast given the “directed” flow. p.7 As per the IP doc, I note it says there are no requirements stated for TSN-unaware MPLS DetNet nodes in the document, but is it worth adding something about requirements to ensure the TSN Relay can be reached? p.8 Implementations -> implementation P.9 of the document -> of this document challanges -> challenges Are member -=> are members Single hop -> a single hop In some case -> in some cases P.10 Regarding the more complicated triggering for TSN-unaware nodes, should further text be added about this? -- Tim From nobody Mon Feb 15 03:19:49 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: int-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: int-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F3553A1181; 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We would also appreciate it if reviewers updated their review profile (freq= uency, topics of expertise, ...) [2] to allow the directorate chairs to all= ocate the more pertinent documents to you. But be prepared to also get revi= ew requests outside of your area of expertise as INT is rather broad, this = is also one way to learn more. We are looking forward to meeting you in the coming weeks (even if sharing = a drink in a bar would have been better!) The timing is not convenient for European people but this was the only slot= when the two INT directorate chairs were available based on https://doodle.com/poll/6td9996tfhtqiter?utm_source=3Dpoll&utm_medium=3Dlin= k -=E9ric -- Do not delete or change any of the following text. -- When it's time, join your Webex meeting here. 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The INT directorate cha= irs and AD would like to invite you to participate in a pre-IETF-110 meetin= g [1] with the following agenda:

Summary and news (if any) from INT area WG you are chair= ing and if you want to report ;-) : e.g., new I-D of the WG since IETF-109 = (1 minute max per I-D), important changes in I-D, ... No need to prepare slides

Reviews/comments of the lengthy https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/intdir/about/ especially the 72 hours before accepting/rejecting a review request

How can the reviewers be recognized for their hard works= ?

 

The overall intent is to allow c= ross-WG discussions and see how to make the INT directorate more useful for= all of us beyond reviews.

 

We would also appreciate it if r= eviewers updated their review profile (frequency, topics of expertise, ...)= [2] to allow the directorate chairs to allocate the more pertinent documents to you. But be prepared = to also get review requests outside of your area of expertise as INT is rat= her broad, this is also one way to learn more.

 

We are looking forward to meetin= g you in the coming weeks (even if sharing a drink in a bar would have been= better!)

 

The timing is not convenient for European peo= ple but this was the only slot when the two INT directorate chairs were ava= ilable based on

https://doodle.com/poll/6td9996tfhtqiter?utm_sou= rce=3Dpoll&utm_medium=3Dlink

 

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