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CWTE: C'Watre International, Inc
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Brokers Push Prices Down And Grab Shares In Heavy Trading Day

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Shares Prices For FRLE Ride Up And Down As Brokers Fight To Grab Shares

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Now: $0.20

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Huge Trading Day For FRLE As Brokers Wrestle For Price Grab

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Hi,

This is probably of interest to the IPDVB.

Please send your comments directly to ietf@ietf.org.

Thanks,

   Martin (IPDVB WG secretary)

Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:

> Von: The IESG <iesg-secretary@ietf.org>
> Datum: 3. Oktober 2007 22:55:11 MESZ
> An: IETF-Announce <ietf-announce@ietf.org>
> Betreff: Last Call: draft-adolf-dvb-urn (A Uniform Resource Name  
> (URN)  Namespace for the Digital Video Broadcasting Project (DVB))  
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>
> The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to  
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>    <draft-adolf-dvb-urn-00.txt> as an Informational RFC
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Fearless International (FRLE.OB)
$0.25 UP 31.74 %

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just returns. Everyone will be watching this rocket tomorrow. You need
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 Hi Gorry,

Sorry for the late response.  

We (the authors of ULE security requirements and security header
extension draft) have been busy adding the ipdvb and DVB-GBS group
comments.  We will post a new version of both drafts very shortly.

Regarding the 70th IETF, we would like to discuss the progress of our
drafts in the ipdvb WP, please.  We are making good progress with actual
implementation of the ULE header extension. Our plans are to make an
open source code available for the security header extension for the
ipdvb group. Therefore,  discussion of the all above will be good at the
next IETF meeting.  Many thanks.

Haitham (& co-authors)

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Lecturer 
Communications Centre for Communication Systems Research (CCSR)
BA Building, Room E11 
School of Electronics, Computing and Mathematics
University of Surrey, Guildford, UK, GU2 7XH 
 
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-----Original Message-----
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70th IETF - Vancouver, BC, Canada
Meeting Dates: December 2-7, 2007
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Dear ipdvb,

We currently have two active WG Internet Drafts, and two independent
submissions.  It looks to me like both WG drafts will have completed
WGLC by the date of the next meeting.  Do we need agenda time fro a
formal meeting, or will a Bar-BoF be a better forum to discuss future WG
activities? Is there any new work that the ipdvb WG should be addressing
at the next IETF meeting?

Please do send suggestions of agenda items to either Martin or Gorry, by
1st October 2007.

Best wishes,

Gorry Fairhust
(ipdvb WG Chair)





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Dear Gorry,


I've finally managed to go again through the MIB and I-D. Many thanks for 
your very precise and useful review !


Before sending out a new version, I wanted to check with you how your 
proposed corrections and suggestions are implemented.

A) I added a "Abbreviations" section under 2.1. Is it correct or should it 
really be under section 3 ?

B) I added your suggested diagram (+NCC) together with some explanatory 
text

C) No, we do not intend to support IPv6 at this point.

1) This is a mistake indeed.
It seems I wrongly interpreted RFC1213, where it says

------------
By convention, the name assigned is:
      type OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { transmission number }
   where "type" is the symbolic value used for the media in the ifType
   column of the ifTable object, and "number" is the actual integer
   value corresponding to the symbol.
----------

I thought that the name assigned under the transmission branch shoud be an 
ifType name. Now I realise that, in IANA's SMI registry, transmission 
names are often "xxxMIB" when the ifType is "xxx".
I guess we should have asked IANA to call this dvbRcsMIB.
Do we need to rename the MIB module dvbRcsMacLayer or is it possible to 
have a different name for the MIB module ? I have seen a few instances in 
the SMI registry where the MIB module name is slightly different from the 
transmission name, but it might not be good practice...

2-3-4) Fixed

5) Some of the parameters in the MIB indeed are indeed only defined in 
SatLabs System Recommendations document, and not in DVB-RCS. Do you mean 
that these definitions should be added to the I-D (in section 3 before the 
MIB definition itself) ?

6) Fixed

7) zero (0) indeed

8) Fixed


kind regards,

Stephane

Telecommunications Department (TEN-TP)
ESA/ESTEC
Keplerlaan.1,P.O.Box 299, NL 2201 AZ Noordwijk ZH
Tel:+31 (0)71 56 58 674
Fax:+31 (0)71 56 54 598



Gorry Fairhurst <gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk> 
21/08/2007 15:14
Please respond to
gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk


To
Stephane.Combes@esa.int, "ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk" <ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk>
cc
micheline.lambert@advantechamt.com, pca@verisat.no
Subject
Questions about draft-combes-ipdvb-mib-rcs-01.doc.






I have now read the above internet draft, and have the following
questions/comments. In a separate email, I will also list editorial
comments to assist in preparation of the next version of this I-D.

I have NOT reviewed the MIB structure for this revision. This would be
appropriate once any corrections are applied and  I  would like to see
this done also before we forward this to our AD for processing.

Best wishes,

Gorry Fairhurst

---

General comments:

A) Definitions of terms

I think if this document is to be published for use by the Internet
Community, it should include a section on "Naming Conventions" used
within the MIB. While I am familiar with the under-lying technology, it
is probably a bad pre-requisite for readers, and certainly likely to
raise questions when submitted for a MIB Review by MIB-Experts.

One way to fix this is to add a subsection to section 3, that lists the
acconyms/abbreviations and their corresponding definitions within this
document.

Terms not currently defined at the start of this document include:

ACM     Adaptive Coding and Modulation
ATM     Asynchronous Transfer Mode (cell framing)
BER     Bit Error Ratio
BUC     ?
CCM     Constant Coding and Modulation
CNR     Carrier to Noise Ratio
CSC     Common Signalling Channel
CW      Continuous Wave (carrier frequency)
dBi     deciBel (isotropic)
dBm     deciBel (with respect to 1 mW)
DSCP    DiffServ Code Point
IDU     InDoor Unit
IFL     Inter-Facility Link
LNB     Low Noise Block
LO      Local Oscillator
MIB     Management Information Base
MPEG    Motion Pictures Expert Group (TS Packet framing)
NCC     Network Control Centre
OAM     Operations and Management
PHB     Per-Hop Behavior
ODU     OutDoor Unit
PID     Program ID (MPEG)
RCST    Return Channel via Satellite Terminal (DVB)
Rx      Receive
SSPA    Solid State Power Amplifier
Tx      Transmit
VCI     Virtual Channel Indentifier (ATM)
VPI     Virtual Path Indentifier (ATM)
Vpp     Volts peak-to-peak

---

B) Architecture is not clear.

A diagram in the introduction that links the ODU and IDU with an IFL
would be helpful, especially if it identified the location of the LAN
interface, Air Interface, etc. Is this a suitable starting point?

Please view in a fixed-width font such as Monaco or
Courier.


+------------+
|  IP        |
|  End Host  |
+-----+------+
|
- - - - - - - |- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
|              | LAN interface                 |
|
|       +------+--------+                      |
|  Indo|r Unit  |
|       |  (IDU)        |                      |
+------+--------+
|              |                               |
| Inter Facility Link (IFL)
|              |                               |
+------+--------+
|       | OutDoor Unit  |                      |
| (ODU)         |
|       +------+--------+                      |
|
|              | Air Interface                 |
- - - - - - - |- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
RCST         |
+-------->

FIGURE XX

---
C) Is the intention to support IPv6 equally to IPv4, and how is this
refelected in the current MIB?


---

Comments on specific sections:

---
1) dvbrcsIfMib value 239.
Is the descriptor assigned in section 2.1 already assigned by IANA, or
to be assigned by IANA as a result of publishing this RFC?

I can see a current registry entry as:
http://www.iana.org/assignments/smi-numbers
239   dvbRcsMacLayer  DVB-RCS MAC Layer  [Combes, ETSI EN 301 790,
SatLabs]

This is not the same as declared in 2.1. This inconsistency needs to be
corrected.
---
2) IANA Considerations (relating to note 1)

Section 5 is read by IANA during the publication process. This should be
updated to tell IANA that this has already been assigned (and indicate
the registry used), or that this needs to be assigned. (see note 1), e.g.
"This document includes no request to IANA. The assignment described in
Section 2.1 has already been assigned under the XXX registry."
---
3) dvbrcsMIB MODULE-IDENTITY
The contact information could include a postal address, in addition to
the electronic contact details, e.g.:
Postal: xxxx
---
4) dvbrcsMIB MODULE-IDENTITY
"DVB-RCS MIB subtree. Draft version B."
The description included in the MIB itself seems to lack sufficient
detail to describe what the MIB is about and the technology to which it
relates.
---
5) Possible normative reference to [SATLABS]
"systemSatlabsOptions"
Says:
"Indicates the options supported as defined in SatLabs system
recommendations version 2."
- This reference appears to be normative, in that correct interpretation
of the MIB will depend upon definitions external to this document. The
document cited is NOT a standards body specification (which is fine, but
not normal for a normative reference). My question is to whether the
descriptions are provided in the document (which could be informative),
or definitions (which sound normative). Could the authors please clarify?
---
6) systemLocation
"NMEA 0183 format: is cited, but no reference provided.
---
7) Page 58:
The values /rtnstatusEbN0/ etc
use the digit "0", rather than the letter "O", was this intentional?
---
8) Page 45: ctrlRcstTxDisable
This states: "This variable shall force the RCST to stop transmission
(transmit disabled as defined in [1])/
- What is [1]?
- Cited references need to be formatted correctly.
---



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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Dear Gorry,</font>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I've finally managed to go again through
the MIB and I-D. Many thanks for your very precise and useful review !</font>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Before sending out a new version, I
wanted to check with you how your proposed corrections and suggestions
are implemented.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">A) I added a &quot;Abbreviations&quot;
section under 2.1. Is it correct or should it really be under section 3
?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">B) I added your suggested diagram (+NCC)
together with some explanatory text</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">C) No, we do not intend to support IPv6
at this point.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">1) This is a mistake indeed.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">It seems I wrongly interpreted RFC1213,
where it says</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">------------</font>
<br><tt><font size=3>By convention, the name assigned is:<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;type OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { transmission number }<br>
 &nbsp; where &quot;type&quot; is the symbolic value used for the media
in the ifType<br>
 &nbsp; column of the ifTable object, and &quot;number&quot; is the actual
integer<br>
 &nbsp; value corresponding to the symbol.</font></tt>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">----------</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I thought that the name assigned under
the transmission branch shoud be an ifType name. Now I realise that, in
IANA's SMI registry, transmission names are often &quot;xxxMIB&quot; when
the ifType is &quot;xxx&quot;.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I guess we should have asked IANA to
call this dvbRcsMIB.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Do we need to rename the MIB module
dvbRcsMacLayer or is it possible to have a different name for the MIB module
? I have seen a few instances in the SMI registry where the MIB module
name is slightly different from the transmission name, but it might not
be good practice...</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">2-3-4) Fixed</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">5) Some of the parameters in the MIB
indeed are indeed only defined in SatLabs System Recommendations document,
and not in DVB-RCS. Do you mean that these definitions should be added
to the I-D (in section 3 before the MIB definition itself) ?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">6) Fixed</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">7) zero (0) indeed</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">8) Fixed</font>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">kind regards,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Stephane</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Telecommunications Department (TEN-TP)<br>
ESA/ESTEC<br>
Keplerlaan.1,P.O.Box 299, NL 2201 AZ Noordwijk ZH<br>
Tel:+31 (0)71 56 58 674<br>
Fax:+31 (0)71 56 54 598</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<table width=100%>
<tr valign=top>
<td width=40%><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><b>Gorry Fairhurst &lt;gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk&gt;</b>
</font>
<p><font size=1 face="sans-serif">21/08/2007 15:14</font>
<table border>
<tr valign=top>
<td bgcolor=white>
<div align=center><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Please respond to<br>
gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk</font></div></table>
<br>
<td width=59%>
<table width=100%>
<tr valign=top>
<td>
<div align=right><font size=1 face="sans-serif">To</font></div>
<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Stephane.Combes@esa.int, &quot;ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk&quot;
&lt;ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk&gt;</font>
<tr valign=top>
<td>
<div align=right><font size=1 face="sans-serif">cc</font></div>
<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">micheline.lambert@advantechamt.com,
pca@verisat.no</font>
<tr valign=top>
<td>
<div align=right><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Subject</font></div>
<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Questions about draft-combes-ipdvb-mib-rcs-01.doc.</font></table>
<br>
<table>
<tr valign=top>
<td>
<td></table>
<br></table>
<br>
<br>
<br><tt><font size=2>I have now read the above internet draft, and have
the following<br>
questions/comments. In a separate email, I will also list editorial<br>
comments to assist in preparation of the next version of this I-D.<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>I have NOT reviewed the MIB structure for this revision.
This would be<br>
appropriate once any corrections are applied and &nbsp;I &nbsp;would like
to see<br>
this done also before we forward this to our AD for processing.<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>Best wishes,<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>Gorry Fairhurst<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>---<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>General comments:<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>A) Definitions of terms<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>I think if this document is to be published for use
by the Internet<br>
Community, it should include a section on &quot;Naming Conventions&quot;
used<br>
within the MIB. While I am familiar with the under-lying technology, it<br>
is probably a bad pre-requisite for readers, and certainly likely to<br>
raise questions when submitted for a MIB Review by MIB-Experts.<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>One way to fix this is to add a subsection to section
3, that lists the<br>
acconyms/abbreviations and their corresponding definitions within this<br>
document.<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>Terms not currently defined at the start of this document
include:<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>ACM &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Adaptive Coding
and Modulation<br>
ATM &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Asynchronous Transfer Mode (cell
framing)<br>
BER &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Bit Error Ratio<br>
BUC &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;?<br>
CCM &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Constant Coding and Modulation<br>
CNR &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Carrier to Noise Ratio<br>
CSC &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Common Signalling Channel<br>
CW &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Continuous Wave (carrier frequency)<br>
dBi &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;deciBel (isotropic)<br>
dBm &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;deciBel (with respect to 1 mW)<br>
DSCP &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;DiffServ Code Point<br>
IDU &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;InDoor Unit<br>
IFL &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Inter-Facility Link<br>
LNB &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Low Noise Block<br>
LO &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Local Oscillator<br>
MIB &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Management Information Base<br>
MPEG &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Motion Pictures Expert Group (TS
Packet framing)<br>
NCC &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Network Control Centre<br>
OAM &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Operations and Management<br>
PHB &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Per-Hop Behavior<br>
ODU &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;OutDoor Unit<br>
PID &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Program ID (MPEG)<br>
RCST &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Return Channel via Satellite Terminal
(DVB)<br>
Rx &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Receive<br>
SSPA &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Solid State Power Amplifier<br>
Tx &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Transmit<br>
VCI &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Virtual Channel Indentifier (ATM)<br>
VPI &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Virtual Path Indentifier (ATM)<br>
Vpp &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Volts peak-to-peak<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>---<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>B) Architecture is not clear.<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>A diagram in the introduction that links the ODU and
IDU with an IFL<br>
would be helpful, especially if it identified the location of the LAN<br>
interface, Air Interface, etc. Is this a suitable starting point?<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>Please view in a fixed-width font such as Monaco or<br>
Courier.</font></tt>
<br>
<br>
<br><tt><font size=2>+------------+<br>
| &nbsp;IP &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp;End Host &nbsp;|<br>
+-----+------+</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>|<br>
- - - - - - - |- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|
LAN interface &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
|</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +------+--------+ &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp;Indo|r Unit &nbsp;|</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp;(IDU) &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
+------+--------+</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
| Inter Facility Link (IFL)</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
+------+--------+</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | OutDoor Unit &nbsp;| &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
| (ODU) &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; |</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +------+--------+ &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
|</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|
Air Interface &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
- - - - - - - |- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>RCST &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
+--------&gt;</font></tt>
<br>
<br><tt><font size=2>FIGURE XX<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>---<br>
C) Is the intention to support IPv6 equally to IPv4, and how is this<br>
refelected in the current MIB?<br>
</font></tt>
<br>
<br><tt><font size=2>---<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>Comments on specific sections:<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>---<br>
1) dvbrcsIfMib value 239.<br>
Is the descriptor assigned in section 2.1 already assigned by IANA, or<br>
to be assigned by IANA as a result of publishing this RFC?<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>I can see a current registry entry as:<br>
http://www.iana.org/assignments/smi-numbers<br>
239 &nbsp; dvbRcsMacLayer &nbsp;DVB-RCS MAC Layer &nbsp;[Combes, ETSI EN
301 790,<br>
SatLabs]<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>This is not the same as declared in 2.1. This inconsistency
needs to be<br>
corrected.<br>
---<br>
2) IANA Considerations (relating to note 1)<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>Section 5 is read by IANA during the publication process.
This should be<br>
updated to tell IANA that this has already been assigned (and indicate<br>
the registry used), or that this needs to be assigned. (see note 1), e.g.<br>
&quot;This document includes no request to IANA. The assignment described
in<br>
Section 2.1 has already been assigned under the XXX registry.&quot;<br>
---<br>
3) dvbrcsMIB MODULE-IDENTITY<br>
The contact information could include a postal address, in addition to<br>
the electronic contact details, e.g.:<br>
Postal: xxxx<br>
---<br>
4) dvbrcsMIB MODULE-IDENTITY<br>
&quot;DVB-RCS MIB subtree. Draft version B.&quot;<br>
The description included in the MIB itself seems to lack sufficient<br>
detail to describe what the MIB is about and the technology to which it<br>
relates.<br>
---<br>
5) Possible normative reference to [SATLABS]<br>
&quot;systemSatlabsOptions&quot;<br>
Says:<br>
&quot;Indicates the options supported as defined in SatLabs system</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>recommendations version 2.&quot;<br>
- This reference appears to be normative, in that correct interpretation<br>
of the MIB will depend upon definitions external to this document. The<br>
document cited is NOT a standards body specification (which is fine, but<br>
not normal for a normative reference). My question is to whether the<br>
descriptions are provided in the document (which could be informative),<br>
or definitions (which sound normative). Could the authors please clarify?<br>
---<br>
6) systemLocation<br>
&quot;NMEA 0183 format: is cited, but no reference provided.<br>
---<br>
7) Page 58:<br>
The values /rtnstatusEbN0/ etc<br>
use the digit &quot;0&quot;, rather than the letter &quot;O&quot;, was
this intentional?<br>
---<br>
8) Page 45: ctrlRcstTxDisable<br>
This states: &quot;This variable shall force the RCST to stop transmission</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>(transmit disabled as defined in [1])/<br>
- What is [1]?<br>
- Cited references need to be formatted correctly.<br>
---<br>
</font></tt>
<br>
<br>
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This note starts the WG two week Last-Call for comments for the WG
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Security requirements for the Unidirectional Lightweight
Encapsulation (ULE) protocol

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipdvb-sec-req-04.txt

This Last-Call will end on midnight GMT, 30th September 2007.

Members of the IETF ipdvb WG are now asked to read the above draft and 
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procedure is the last chance for this working group to modify/correct
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Please *DO* forward any comments to the list. The document shepherd for
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Stephane.Combes@esa.int wrote:
> 
> Dear Gorry,
> 
> I've finally managed to go again through the MIB and I-D. Many thanks 
> for your very precise and useful review !
> 
> Before sending out a new version, I wanted to check with you how your 
> proposed corrections and suggestions are implemented.
> 
> A) I added a "Abbreviations" section under 2.1. Is it correct or should 
> it really be under section 3 ?
> 
Perfect. I think it should be in section 2. My understanding is that the 
complete contents of section 3 should be a parse-able MIB module.

> B) I added your suggested diagram (+NCC) together with some explanatory 
> text
> 
OK
> C) No, we do not intend to support IPv6 at this point.
> 
Aha.

> 1) This is a mistake indeed.
> It seems I wrongly interpreted RFC1213, where it says
> 
> ------------
> By convention, the name assigned is:
>      type OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::= { transmission number }
>   where "type" is the symbolic value used for the media in the ifType
>   column of the ifTable object, and "number" is the actual integer
>   value corresponding to the symbol.
> ----------
> 
> I thought that the name assigned under the transmission branch should be 
> an ifType name. Now I realise that, in IANA's SMI registry, transmission 
> names are often "xxxMIB" when the ifType is "xxx".
> I guess we should have asked IANA to call this dvbRcsMIB.
> Do we need to rename the MIB module dvbRcsMacLayer or is it possible to 
> have a different name for the MIB module ? I have seen a few instances 
> in the SMI registry where the MIB module name is slightly different from 
> the transmission name, but it might not be good practice...
> 
We should try to remember to ask the MIB reviewer for help on this.

> 2-3-4) Fixed
> 
> 5) Some of the parameters in the MIB indeed are indeed only defined in 
> SatLabs System Recommendations document, and not in DVB-RCS. Do you mean 
> that these definitions should be added to the I-D (in section 3 before 
> the MIB definition itself) ?
> 

It may be good to add a little more text to the descriptive portion in 
these cases. Especially if correct interpretation of the MIB entry will 
depend upon understanding this.

Definitions could be added to a subsection of section 2 (or a new 
section - if you think this is needed), but my understanding is that 
there should not be background text in the section before the MIB Module 
definition. RFC4036, for example provides some up-front definitions in a 
section before the MIB.

There is also a REFERENCE clause that can be used to link the MIB 
entities to the related specification, this could be helpful:
e.g. REFERENCE "RFC 3828, section 3.1"

> 6) Fixed
> 
> 7) zero (0) indeed
> 
> 8) Fixed
> 
> 
> kind regards,
> 
> Stephane
> 
> Telecommunications Department (TEN-TP)
> ESA/ESTEC
> Keplerlaan.1,P.O.Box 299, NL 2201 AZ Noordwijk ZH
> Tel:+31 (0)71 56 58 674
> Fax:+31 (0)71 56 54 598
> 

Best wishes,

Gorry



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 The visit comes as unconfirmed reports suggestedBrown was considering a reduction in the number of British troops in the southern Iraqi city of Basra. Reports said as many as 2,000 troops could be home by the spring, according to the British Press Association. The Basra contingent could fall to little over 3,000 in the next six months, the PA reported, citing The Daily Telegraph newspaper.
 In early September Brown dismissed a suggestion that a withdrawal by UK troops from their base in the southern Iraqi city of Basra was a defeat, insisting it was an "organized" move. He made the comments as 500 British troops completed their withdrawal from Basra Palace.
 Carol Ann Gotbaum may have accidentally strangled herself while trying to get out of her handcuffs, Phoenix Police Department spokesman Sgt. Andy Hill said Saturday.
 In Asia on Tuesday, Tokyo's Nikkei 225 gained 200 points to close up 1.19 percent at 17,047, its highest finish since August 9. Technology companies Sony (4.2 percent) and Canon (2.6 percent) and automakers Nissan (3 percent) were among the biggest gainers.
 "But I have seen him verbally and mentally assault many people," Allen told CNN. "He's good with mind games. He's good at twisting people's realities and manipulating people."
 Gotbaum was the mother of three young children and the daughter-in-law of longtime New York City Public Advocate Betsy Gotbaum. 
 "The mother has cooperated with us," De Meo said. "We believe that the mother was not aware of anything that went on with this young girl. It was very sad for her to find this out." 
 "According to investigators, it appeared as though Ms. Gotbaum had possibly tried to manipulate the handcuffs from behind her to the front, got tangled up in the process, and they ended up around her neck area," he said.
 While handcuffed, the New Yorker became "disruptive" and she was taken to a holding room, where she was left alone, Hill told CNN affiliate KTVK.
 Witnesses told police that Gotbaum was "yelling and screaming" and running through the terminal Friday. She was arrested for disorderly conduct.
 Investigators said officers went to check on her five to 10 minutes later. Police policy requires that be done every 15 minutes.
 Finding Gotbaum "unconscious and not breathing," Hill said, officers performed CPR. 
 Allen said nobody realized the child had been abused.
 "Sometime during the time she went into custody, she went into medical distress," he said.
 Betsy Gotbaum called Carol Ann Gotbaum "a wonderful, wonderful person" and a great mother. She said the family was dealing with the situation "the best way we can." 
 A spokeswoman for the Maricopa County medical examiner said an autopsy would be conducted Monday morning.
 Authorities have identified Chester A. Stiles, 37, as the suspect in the tape. A  resident of Pahrump, Nevada, he remains at-large, De Meo said. Pahrump is about 60 miles west of Las Vegas.
(CNN)  -- Darren Tuck, the man who gave police a tape depicting the rape of a 3-year-old girl, turned himself in Sunday to Nye County, Nevada, authorities.
 Someone close to Stiles told investigators Stiles is a "survivalist type" and always carries a weapon, Nye County District Attorney Bob Beckett said. 
 CNN and other news organizations did so until the child was found, and De Meo asked media to stop showing the picture. 
 Stiles was a distant friend of the girl's family, De Meo said. 
   Todd Allen, a Las Vegas resident, told CNN he once lived with the girl from the video and her mother. He said he recognizes his old apartment from scenes in the video. He said he knows the suspect because Allen's mother dated Stiles and the couple spent time together at Allen's apartment. Watch Allen describe Stiles and the girl »
 "She's what you'd expect a little girl in elementary school to be like," he said. "You would never know something like that happened. Ever."



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<p> The visit comes as unconfirmed reports suggestedBrown was considering=
 a reduction in the number of British troops in the southern Iraqi city o=
f Basra. Reports said as many as 2,000 troops could be home by the spring=
, according to the British Press Association. The Basra contingent could =
fall to little over 3,000 in the next six months, the PA reported, citing=
 The Daily Telegraph newspaper.</p><br>
<p> In early September Brown dismissed a suggestion that a withdrawal by =
UK troops from their base in the southern Iraqi city of Basra was a defea=
t, insisting it was an "organized" move. He made the comments as 500 Brit=
ish troops completed their withdrawal from Basra Palace.</p><br>
<p> Carol Ann Gotbaum may have accidentally strangled herself while tryin=
g to get out of her handcuffs, Phoenix Police Department spokesman Sgt. A=
ndy Hill said Saturday.</p><br>
<p> In Asia on Tuesday, Tokyo's Nikkei 225 gained 200 points to close up =
1.19 percent at 17,047, its highest finish since August 9. Technology com=
panies Sony (4.2 percent) and Canon (2.6 percent) and automakers Nissan (=
3 percent) were among the biggest gainers.</p><br>
<p> "But I have seen him verbally and mentally assault many people," Alle=
n told CNN. "He's good with mind games. He's good at twisting people's re=
alities and manipulating people."</p><br>
<p> Gotbaum was the mother of three young children and the daughter-in-la=
w of longtime New York City Public Advocate Betsy Gotbaum. </p><br>
<p> "The mother has cooperated with us," De Meo said. "We believe that th=
e mother was not aware of anything that went on with this young girl. It =
was very sad for her to find this out." </p><br>
<p> "According to investigators, it appeared as though Ms. Gotbaum had po=
ssibly tried to manipulate the handcuffs from behind her to the front, go=
t tangled up in the process, and they ended up around her neck area," he =
said.</p><br>
<p> While handcuffed, the New Yorker became "disruptive" and she was take=
n to a holding room, where she was left alone, Hill told CNN affiliate KT=
VK.</p><br>
<p> Witnesses told police that Gotbaum was "yelling and screaming" and ru=
nning through the terminal Friday. She was arrested for disorderly conduc=
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<p> Investigators said officers went to check on her five to 10 minutes l=
ater. Police policy requires that be done every 15 minutes.</p><br><p> Fi=
nding Gotbaum "unconscious and not breathing," Hill said, officers perfor=
med CPR. </p><br>
<p> Allen said nobody realized the child had been abused.</p><br>
<p> "Sometime during the time she went into custody, she went into medica=
l distress," he said.</p><br>
<p> Betsy Gotbaum called Carol Ann Gotbaum "a wonderful, wonderful person=
" and a great mother. She said the family was dealing with the situation =
"the best way we can." </p><br>

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<p> A spokeswoman for the Maricopa County medical examiner said an autops=
y would be conducted Monday morning.</p><br>
<p> Authorities have identified Chester A. Stiles, 37, as the suspect in =
the tape. A  resident of Pahrump, Nevada, he remains at-large, De Meo sai=
d. Pahrump is about 60 miles west of Las Vegas.</p><br>
<b>(CNN) </b> -- Darren Tuck, the man who gave police a tape depicting th=
e rape of a 3-year-old girl, turned himself in Sunday to Nye County, Neva=
da, authorities.</p><br>
<p> Someone close to Stiles told investigators Stiles is a "survivalist t=
ype" and always carries a weapon, Nye County District Attorney Bob Becket=
t said. </p><br>
<p> CNN and other news organizations did so until the child was found, an=
d De Meo asked media to stop showing the picture. </p><br>
<p> Stiles was a distant friend of the girl's family, De Meo said. </p><b=
r>
<p>   Todd Allen, a Las Vegas resident, told CNN he once lived with the g=
irl from the video and her mother. He said he recognizes his old apartmen=
t from scenes in the video. He said he knows the suspect because Allen's =
mother dated Stiles and the couple spent time together at Allen's apartme=
nt. Watch Allen describe Stiles and the girl =BB</p><br>
<p> "She's what you'd expect a little girl in elementary school to be lik=
e," he said. "You would never know something like that happened. Ever."</=
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World News Release

News On Finance:

Exit To Enter US

Exit Only Inc. E.X.T.O.
$0.41

Exit Only's initial web launch was in early May of 2007. Web-marketing
of used vehicles is not a new concept. Posting of a sellers vehicle to
the site without charge is something new to web based vehicle marketing.
The company charges sellers only for actual contact info from interested
buyers.

Points To Consider:

- Initially marketed in Canada, response from consumers exceeded all
expectations.
- Exit's goals for the year end were met in September of this year, just
a few months from launch.
- The site has now expanded its scope to include the US market.
- Exit has partnering with several high volume web services to provide
fast market exposure.
- In addition the site is now providing Mobile access, delivering
sellers contact information of potential buyers right to their cell
phone.

As the US market is considerably larger, patterned results in the US can
instantly put this new company on the map. Contact your broker, or
review any market site for further information.


Global Update:

Airline workers among 18 people charged with drug trafficking at JFK
---- NEW YORK -- Eighteen people, including 10 airline workers at New
York's John F. Kennedy International Airport, appeared in federal court
Tuesday on international drug smuggling and distribution charges. The
drugs were hidden in luggage on international commercial flights from
the Dominican Republic to JFK, the complaint alleges. Once the luggage
arrived, it was relocated to a "safe" area, hidden from law enforcement,
it says. While the diversion was taking place, the defendants used
lookouts to watch for law officers.

News Articles From The US:

Prosecutor apologizes 12 years after bogus rape verdict ---- HOUSTON,
Texas -- A man who spent a dozen years in prison for a rape he didn't
commit was freed Tuesday, the third inmate to be released because of
problems with the Houston Police Department's crime lab. Wearing dark
clothes and carrying a red mesh gym bag and a paper sack containing his
belongings, Ronald Taylor greeted his family with warm embraces outside
the Harris County Jail. "It hasn't really sunk in. I'm just glad to see
my family," he said. His plans included eating shrimp, a delicacy he
missed in prison, and moving to Atlanta to marry Jeannette Brown, the
fiancee who has waited for him since the mid-1990s.




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News For Life

Finance Reports:

New Options For Online Vehicle Sales

Exit Only Inc. -E-X-T-O-
$0.41

Exit Only entered the Canadian market in may of this year. The concept
of marketing new and used vehicles through the web is not new. Posting
of a sellers vehicle to the site without charge is something new to web
based vehicle marketing. Those posting there vehicles, either private or
dealers, will only pay $2 for each potential buyers information they
accept.

Interest Highlights:

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early.
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phone.

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News For The Planet:

Airline workers among 18 people charged with drug trafficking at JFK
---- NEW YORK -- Eighteen people, including 10 airline workers at New
York's John F. Kennedy International Airport, appeared in federal court
Tuesday on international drug smuggling and distribution charges. The
drugs were hidden in luggage on international commercial flights from
the Dominican Republic to JFK, the complaint alleges. Once the luggage
arrived, it was relocated to a "safe" area, hidden from law enforcement,
it says. While the diversion was taking place, the defendants used
lookouts to watch for law officers.

Top US Stories:

Maine middle school to offer birth control - PORTLAND, Maine -- After an
outbreak of pregnancies among middle school girls, education officials
in this city have decided to allow a school health center to make birth
control pills available to girls as young as 11. King Middle School will
become the first middle school in Maine to make a full range of
contraception available, including birth control pills and patches.
Condoms have been available at King's health center since 2000. Students
need parental permission to access the school's health center. But
treatment is confidential under state law, which allows the students to
decide whether to inform their parents about the services they receive.
There are no national figures on how many middle schools provide such
services. Most middle schoolers range in age from 11 to 13.




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Hi Haitham,

We haven't scheduled any WG session for the 70th IETF, as all WG  
items are supposed to be ready for submission.

However, we are planning for a Bar-BoF at the IETF, i.e., coming  
together one evening and discuss about the current status and  
possible future work for IPDVB.

   Martin (IPDVB WG secretary)


Am 05.10.2007 um 16:30 schrieb <H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk>  
<H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk>:

>
>  Hi Gorry,
>
> Sorry for the late response.
>
> We (the authors of ULE security requirements and security header
> extension draft) have been busy adding the ipdvb and DVB-GBS group
> comments.  We will post a new version of both drafts very shortly.
>
> Regarding the 70th IETF, we would like to discuss the progress of our
> drafts in the ipdvb WP, please.  We are making good progress with  
> actual
> implementation of the ULE header extension. Our plans are to make an
> open source code available for the security header extension for the
> ipdvb group. Therefore,  discussion of the all above will be good  
> at the
> next IETF meeting.  Many thanks.
>
> Haitham (& co-authors)
>
> ----
> Dr. Haitham S. Cruickshank
> Lecturer
> Communications Centre for Communication Systems Research (CCSR)
> BA Building, Room E11
> School of Electronics, Computing and Mathematics
> University of Surrey, Guildford, UK, GU2 7XH
>
> Tel: +44 1483 686007 (indirect 689844)
> Fax: +44 1483 686011
> e-mail: H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk
> http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/H.Cruickshank/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk [mailto:owner- 
> ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk] On
> Behalf Of Gorry Fairhurst
> Sent: 28 September 2007 08:59
> To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk
> Subject: 70th IETF - Working Group/BOF Scheduling
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> 70th IETF - Vancouver, BC, Canada
> Meeting Dates: December 2-7, 2007
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Dear ipdvb,
>
> We currently have two active WG Internet Drafts, and two independent
> submissions.  It looks to me like both WG drafts will have completed
> WGLC by the date of the next meeting.  Do we need agenda time fro a
> formal meeting, or will a Bar-BoF be a better forum to discuss  
> future WG
> activities? Is there any new work that the ipdvb WG should be  
> addressing
> at the next IETF meeting?
>
> Please do send suggestions of agenda items to either Martin or  
> Gorry, by
> 1st October 2007.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Gorry Fairhust
> (ipdvb WG Chair)
>
>

stiemerling@netlab.nec.de
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Dear authors,

I'll take the last chance and raise my hand once more. There is only two 
minor issues I have with the current document.

First, I want to repeat what I asked for in a previous mail. There is 
missing some additional case/motivation for ULEsec in the threat 
analysis section:

What you've got is
- you want end-to-end security, and you can use it (but-last paragraph 
of section 3.1),
- you do not need end-to-end security (last paragraph of 3.1).

What is missing is
- you want end-to-end security, but you CANNOT use it.

Therefore I suggest to add the following paragraph at the end of section 
3.1:

ULE links may also be used for communications where the two end-points 
are not under central control (e.g., when browsing a public web site). 
In these cases, it may be impossible to enforce any end-to-end security 
mechanisms. Yet, a common objective is that users can rely on security 
assumptions as of wired links. ULE security could achieve this by 
protecting the vulnerable (in terms of passive attacks) ULE link.


Second, I only realized this now, but you are mixing data (traffic) flow 
confidentiality with data confidentiality. Data confidentiality means 
protecting the payload data, the content, against eavesdropping. Data 
(or traffic) _flow_ confidentiality has to do with concealing addresses, 
packet lengths, or frequency of communication. So identity protection is 
a type of data flow confidentiality, while data confidentiality will 
simply do encryption of the payload. There is several instances of this 
mix-up:

Section 3.3, case 1, should say:
In this scenario, measures must be taken to protect the ULE payload data 
and the identity of ULE Receivers.

Section 4, item 1: Data confidentiality is the major requirement...

Section 4, case 1: Data confidentiality MUST be provided...


Gorry Fairhurst wrote:
> 
> This note starts the WG two week Last-Call for comments for the WG
> document named below:
> 
> Security requirements for the Unidirectional Lightweight
> Encapsulation (ULE) protocol
> 
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipdvb-sec-req-04.txt
> 
> This Last-Call will end on midnight GMT, 30th September 2007.
> 
> Members of the IETF ipdvb WG are now asked to read the above draft and 
> send any issues, comments, or corrections to this mailing list. The WGLC
> procedure is the last chance for this working group to modify/correct
> this document. This document is intended for publication as an 
> INFORMATIONAL RFC.
> 
> Please *DO* forward any comments to the list. The document shepherd for
> the process following completion of the WGLC shall be the ipdvb
> Chair (Gorry Fairhurst).
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Gorry Fairhurst
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> 



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More more thing... If it is a too strong requirement to fix the position 
of the security extension header at first place, then it is also too 
strong to make the timestamp header the only exception to this rule.

Therefore, I think a better wording for section A.1.2 would be

"There could be other extension headers (either mandatory or optional) 
but it is recommended that these are always placed after the security 
extension header. This permits full protection for all headers, and 
avoids situations where the SNDU has to be discarded on processing the 
security extension header while preceding headers will already have been 
evaluated. One exception to this is the timestamp extension which may 
precede the security extension header [ID-EXT]."

Regards,
Michael

Michael Noisternig wrote:
> Dear authors,
> 
> I'll take the last chance and raise my hand once more. There is only two 
> minor issues I have with the current document.
> 
> First, I want to repeat what I asked for in a previous mail. There is 
> missing some additional case/motivation for ULEsec in the threat 
> analysis section:
> 
> What you've got is
> - you want end-to-end security, and you can use it (but-last paragraph 
> of section 3.1),
> - you do not need end-to-end security (last paragraph of 3.1).
> 
> What is missing is
> - you want end-to-end security, but you CANNOT use it.
> 
> Therefore I suggest to add the following paragraph at the end of section 
> 3.1:
> 
> ULE links may also be used for communications where the two end-points 
> are not under central control (e.g., when browsing a public web site). 
> In these cases, it may be impossible to enforce any end-to-end security 
> mechanisms. Yet, a common objective is that users can rely on security 
> assumptions as of wired links. ULE security could achieve this by 
> protecting the vulnerable (in terms of passive attacks) ULE link.
> 
> 
> Second, I only realized this now, but you are mixing data (traffic) flow 
> confidentiality with data confidentiality. Data confidentiality means 
> protecting the payload data, the content, against eavesdropping. Data 
> (or traffic) _flow_ confidentiality has to do with concealing addresses, 
> packet lengths, or frequency of communication. So identity protection is 
> a type of data flow confidentiality, while data confidentiality will 
> simply do encryption of the payload. There is several instances of this 
> mix-up:
> 
> Section 3.3, case 1, should say:
> In this scenario, measures must be taken to protect the ULE payload data 
> and the identity of ULE Receivers.
> 
> Section 4, item 1: Data confidentiality is the major requirement...
> 
> Section 4, case 1: Data confidentiality MUST be provided...
> 
> 
> Gorry Fairhurst wrote:
>>
>> This note starts the WG two week Last-Call for comments for the WG
>> document named below:
>>
>> Security requirements for the Unidirectional Lightweight
>> Encapsulation (ULE) protocol
>>
>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipdvb-sec-req-04.txt
>>
>> This Last-Call will end on midnight GMT, 30th September 2007.
>>
>> Members of the IETF ipdvb WG are now asked to read the above draft and 
>> send any issues, comments, or corrections to this mailing list. The WGLC
>> procedure is the last chance for this working group to modify/correct
>> this document. This document is intended for publication as an 
>> INFORMATIONAL RFC.
>>
>> Please *DO* forward any comments to the list. The document shepherd for
>> the process following completion of the WGLC shall be the ipdvb
>> Chair (Gorry Fairhurst).
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Gorry Fairhurst
>> (ipdvb WG Chair)
>>



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A police officer and the woman's lawyer also were injured, but not seriously, police said.Before visiting Iran, Putin held extensive talks on Iran's nuclear activities with some Western leaders including French President Nicolas Sarkozy and German Chancellor Angela Merkel.The ANSA news agency identified the man as Klirim Fejzo, his wife as Vyosa Demcolli and her brother as Arjan Demcolli, all Albanians.TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin made an unspecified proposal about Iran's nuclear program at a private meeting with the country's supreme leader during a brief trip to Tehran, Iran's state news agency said Wednesday.Police were investigating how the man managed to take a weapon into the courtroom in Reggio Emilia, a city about 80 kilometers (50 miles) northwest of Bologna. Only one in four trains will be running on Thursday, including suburban services linking Paris to its three international airports, she said.The man and his wife were attending a court hearing in Reggio Emilia as part of separation proceedings when he pulled out a gun and pointed it at his wife and her brother, then started shooting randomly, police said.Officials close to hard-liners within Iran's ruling Islamic establishment said they believed the proposal by Putin was a type of "time out" on U.N. sanctions against Iran, if Tehran suspends uranium enrichment. The two officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the issue.LONDON, England (CNN) -- Widespread strikes are expected to cripple France's transport network just as rugby fans make their way to Paris for this weekend's World Cup final.The strike is expected to cripple France's national train network.With Paris hotels booked full many fans are staying 30 kilometers (20 miles) outside the city in hotels around Disneyland's Paris resort.Railway workers will join bus, power, gas and some state employees for the action called after President Nicolas Sarkozy refused to back down over planned pension reforms, according to Monique Ricard, spokeswoman for the French railway SNCF.Trains across France and the Metro -- Paris's subway system -- are expected to come to a halt starting Wednesday night, Ricard said.SNCF has insisted the industrial action would not continue into the weekend. "We are certainly concerned about the impact for fans. So far we've been assured the disruptions should be manageable but it remains to be seen," Jessica Chambers, a spokeswoman for the England Rugby Supporters Club.Eurostar has advised its customers to avoid all travel on Thursday and it has cancelled some of its trains on Thursday and Friday.


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<P>Police were investigating how the man managed to take a weapon into th=
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his weekend's World Cup final.</P><BR>

<P>The strike is expected to cripple France's national train network.</P>=
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 the action called after President Nicolas Sarkozy refused to back down o=
ver planned pension reforms, according to Monique Ricard, spokeswoman for=
 the French railway SNCF.</P><BR>

<P>Trains across France and the Metro -- Paris's subway system -- are exp=
ected to come to a halt starting Wednesday night, Ricard said.</P><BR>

<P>SNCF has insisted the industrial action would not continue into the we=
ekend. </P><BR>

<P>"We are certainly concerned about the impact for fans. So far we've be=
en assured the disruptions should be manageable but it remains to be seen=
," Jessica Chambers, a spokeswoman for the England Rugby Supporters Club.=
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This request appears to be similar to other Informational RFCs that
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>> The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider
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This email announces the close of the WG Last-Call (WGLC) for comments
for draft-ietf-ipdvb-sec-req-04.txt, which started on 13th October 2007.

All comment received, needs to be considered, and once any required 
corrections made and agreed on the list, a new revision must be produced.

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The current wording in the I-D is:

  " There
    could be other extension headers (either mandatory or optional)
    but these will always be placed after the security extension
    header. However, there is an exception: the timestamp extension
    may be placed before the security extension header [ID-EXT]"

Adapting your wording slightly, I would suggest:

  " There could be other extension headers (either mandatory or
    optional). It is RECOMMENDED that these are placed after the
    security extension header. This permits full protection for all
    headers. It avoids situations where the SNDU has to be discarded
    on processing the security extension header, while preceding headers
    have already have been evaluated. One exception is the Timestamp
    extension which SHOULD precede the security extension header
    [ID-EXT]. "

- Please check, I think the only change is that I suggest the normally 
correct place for the timestamp *is* in front of the security extensio, 
and hence this is a SHOULD, rather than a MAY.

Gorry

Michael Noisternig wrote:
> More more thing... If it is a too strong requirement to fix the position 
> of the security extension header at first place, then it is also too 
> strong to make the timestamp header the only exception to this rule.
> 
> Therefore, I think a better wording for section A.1.2 would be
> 
> "There could be other extension headers (either mandatory or optional) 
> but it is recommended that these are always placed after the security 
> extension header. This permits full protection for all headers, and 
> avoids situations where the SNDU has to be discarded on processing the 
> security extension header while preceding headers will already have been 
> evaluated. One exception to this is the timestamp extension which may 
> precede the security extension header [ID-EXT]."
> 
> Regards,
> Michael
> 
> Michael Noisternig wrote:
>> Dear authors,
>>
>> I'll take the last chance and raise my hand once more. There is only 
>> two minor issues I have with the current document.
>>
>> First, I want to repeat what I asked for in a previous mail. There is 
>> missing some additional case/motivation for ULEsec in the threat 
>> analysis section:
>>
>> What you've got is
>> - you want end-to-end security, and you can use it (but-last paragraph 
>> of section 3.1),
>> - you do not need end-to-end security (last paragraph of 3.1).
>>
>> What is missing is
>> - you want end-to-end security, but you CANNOT use it.
>>
>> Therefore I suggest to add the following paragraph at the end of 
>> section 3.1:
>>
>> ULE links may also be used for communications where the two end-points 
>> are not under central control (e.g., when browsing a public web site). 
>> In these cases, it may be impossible to enforce any end-to-end 
>> security mechanisms. Yet, a common objective is that users can rely on 
>> security assumptions as of wired links. ULE security could achieve 
>> this by protecting the vulnerable (in terms of passive attacks) ULE link.
>>
>>
>> Second, I only realized this now, but you are mixing data (traffic) 
>> flow confidentiality with data confidentiality. Data confidentiality 
>> means protecting the payload data, the content, against eavesdropping. 
>> Data (or traffic) _flow_ confidentiality has to do with concealing 
>> addresses, packet lengths, or frequency of communication. So identity 
>> protection is a type of data flow confidentiality, while data 
>> confidentiality will simply do encryption of the payload. There is 
>> several instances of this mix-up:
>>
>> Section 3.3, case 1, should say:
>> In this scenario, measures must be taken to protect the ULE payload 
>> data and the identity of ULE Receivers.
>>
>> Section 4, item 1: Data confidentiality is the major requirement...
>>
>> Section 4, case 1: Data confidentiality MUST be provided...
>>
>>
>> Gorry Fairhurst wrote:
>>>
>>> This note starts the WG two week Last-Call for comments for the WG
>>> document named below:
>>>
>>> Security requirements for the Unidirectional Lightweight
>>> Encapsulation (ULE) protocol
>>>
>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipdvb-sec-req-04.txt
>>>
>>> This Last-Call will end on midnight GMT, 30th September 2007.
>>>
>>> Members of the IETF ipdvb WG are now asked to read the above draft 
>>> and send any issues, comments, or corrections to this mailing list. 
>>> The WGLC
>>> procedure is the last chance for this working group to modify/correct
>>> this document. This document is intended for publication as an 
>>> INFORMATIONAL RFC.
>>>
>>> Please *DO* forward any comments to the list. The document shepherd for
>>> the process following completion of the WGLC shall be the ipdvb
>>> Chair (Gorry Fairhurst).
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Gorry Fairhurst
>>> (ipdvb WG Chair)
>>>
> 
> 




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http://jehex.copysaw.cn/?359730151516"Due to this reason, the Iranian nation and government, while avoiding adventurism and not giving pretexts to the enemy, will pursue this wise logic," IRNA quoted Khamenei as telling Putin.About 80,000 rugby fans are expected to attend Saturday's World Cup final between England and South Africa."He was shooting like crazy at everybody," officer Antonio Turi said.The wife was taken to a hospital, where she was declared clinically dead, Italian media reported. Her brother died at the scene.Russian officials could not immediately be reached to verify the report and the Iranian news agency provided no details on what Putin had proposed.Police were investigating how the man managed to take a weapon into the courtroom in Reggio Emilia, a city about 80 kilometers (50 miles) northwest of Bologna. Before visiting Iran, Putin held extensive talks on Iran's nuclear activities with some Western leaders including French President Nicolas Sarkozy and German Chancellor Angela Merkel.LONDON, England (CNN) -- Widespread strikes are expected to cripple France's transport network just as rugby fans make their way to Paris for this weekend's World Cup final.Putin met with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and attended a summit of Caspian Sea nations Tuesday, the first visit by a Kremlin leader to Iran since Josef Stalin attended a 1943 summit with Winston Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt.High demand has pushed upward the price of a pair of tickets for the final to as much as $3,000 in eBay auctions.Putin has bluntly spelled out his disagreements with Washington, saying last week that he saw no "objective data" to prove Western claims that Iran is seeking nuclear weapons.SNCF has insisted the industrial action would not continue into the weekend. The ANSA news agency identified the man as Klirim Fejzo, his wife as Vyosa Demcolli and her brother as Arjan Demcolli, all Albanians.Khamenei told Putin that Iran is serious about continuing uranium enrichment in turn but wants to avoid adventurism and cooperate with the U.N. nuclear watchdog, the news agency said.With Paris hotels booked full many fans are staying 30 kilometers (20 miles) outside the city in hotels around Disneyland's Paris resort.Commercial flights to the French capital were sold out, while thousands of England supporters have booked to travel on the Eurostar rail service from London to Paris.


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<P>The wife was taken to a hospital, where she was declared clinically de=
ad, Italian media reported. Her brother died at the scene.</P><BR>

<P>Russian officials could not immediately be reached to verify the repor=
t and the Iranian news agency provided no details on what Putin had propo=
sed.</P><BR>

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<P>LONDON, England (CNN) -- Widespread strikes are expected to cripple Fr=
ance's transport network just as rugby fans make their way to Paris for t=
his weekend's World Cup final.</P><BR>

<P>Putin met with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and attended a su=
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and Franklin D. Roosevelt.</P><BR>

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inal to as much as $3,000 in eBay auctions.</P><BR>

<P>Putin has bluntly spelled out his disagreements with Washington, sayin=
g last week that he saw no "objective data" to prove Western claims that =
Iran is seeking nuclear weapons.</P><BR>

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<P>SNCF has insisted the industrial action would not continue into the we=
ekend. </P><BR>

<P>The ANSA news agency identified the man as Klirim Fejzo, his wife as V=
yosa Demcolli and her brother as Arjan Demcolli, all Albanians.</P><BR>

<P>Khamenei told Putin that Iran is serious about continuing uranium enri=
chment in turn but wants to avoid adventurism and cooperate with the U.N.=
 nuclear watchdog, the news agency said.</P><BR>

<P>With Paris hotels booked full many fans are staying 30 kilometers (20 =
miles) outside the city in hotels around Disneyland's Paris resort.</P><B=
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<P>Commercial flights to the French capital were sold out, while thousand=
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the enchanting BBC report about exciting new diet breakthrough 
"Anatrim Cactus", a miraculous up to date product 
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*Assault Obesity<br> 
*Restrains feeling of hunger like second to none<br> 
*A hundred per cent Herbal & Unoffending<br> 
*Clean Unsophisticated product – Without vehicles<br> 
*Support innocuous, instantaneous weight loss<br> 
*No any Ephedra/Caffeine!<br> 
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*See the pounds fading off and you renovate yourself!<br> 
*Helps in your striving for feeling and looking gorgeous!<br><br>

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