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From owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk Tue Apr 7 09:13:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipdvb-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipdvb-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C0D3A6E04 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:13:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HBKk3Qy0bztr for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erg.abdn.ac.uk (dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:241:204:203:baff:fe9a:8c9b]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBEA228C1DD for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n37FZxeo026683 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 16:35:59 +0100 (BST) Received: (from majordomo.lists@localhost) by dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.12.2/Submit) id n37FZxeO026682 for ipdvb-subscribed-users; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 16:35:59 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk: majordomo.lists set sender to owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail133.messagelabs.com (mail133.messagelabs.com [195.245.230.179]) by erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id n37FZXYH026658; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 16:35:33 +0100 (BST) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-133.messagelabs.com!1239118527!40635463!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.0.0; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [131.227.102.140] Received: (qmail 11501 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2009 15:35:28 -0000 Received: from ads40.surrey.ac.uk (HELO ads40.surrey.ac.uk) (131.227.102.140) by server-7.tower-133.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2009 15:35:28 -0000 Received: from EVS-EC1-NODE1.surrey.ac.uk ([131.227.102.144]) by ads40.surrey.ac.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 7 Apr 2009 16:35:25 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1747) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 16:35:22 +0100 Message-ID: <225B6337E699484095DA8EE02A5063B57983EF@EVS-EC1-NODE1.surrey.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <200903300728.n2U7ST91012747@boreas.isi.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1747) Thread-Index: AcmxCWJ8T4TzA37KS7q/R8Can03QIwGjP4zg From: To: , , , , , , , Cc: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2009 15:35:25.0398 (UTC) FILETIME=[78A75760:01C9B796] X-ERG-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by erg.abdn.ac.uk id n37FZvNA026676 Sender: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk X-ERG-MailScanner-From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk All suggestions are OK for me. Thanks. Haitham ---- Dr. Haitham S. Cruickshank Lecturer Communications Centre for Communication Systems Research (CCSR) BA Building, Room E11 School of Electronics, Computing and Mathematics University of Surrey, Guildford, UK, GU2 7XH Tel: +44 1483 686007 (indirect 689844) Fax: +44 1483 686011 e-mail: H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/H.Cruickshank/ -----Original Message----- From: RFC Errata System [mailto:rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org] Sent: 30 March 2009 08:28 To: Cruickshank HS Dr (CCSR); p.pillai@bradford.ac.uk; mnoist@cosy.sbg.ac.at; sunil.iyengar@logica.com; rdroms@cisco.com; jari.arkko@piuha.net; townsley@cisco.com; gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk Cc: ah@TR-Sys.de; ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1747) The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5458, "Security Requirements for the Unidirectional Lightweight Encapsulation (ULE) Protocol". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5458&eid=1747 -------------------------------------- Type: Editorial Reported by: Alfred Hoenes Section: 10.2, pg.17 Original Text ------------- [GSE] TS 102 606, "Digital Video Broadcasting (DVB); Generic Stream Encapsulation (GSE) Protocol, "European | Telecommunication Standards, Institute (ETSI), 2007. ^^ Corrected Text -------------- [GSE] TS 102 606, "Digital Video Broadcasting (DVB); Generic Stream Encapsulation (GSE) Protocol, "European | Telecommunication Standards Institute (ETSI), 2007. ^ Notes ----- Rationale: distorting spurious comma. The immediately preceding entry ('[ETSI-DAT]') is correct in this respect, but it lacks the publication year. Instructions: ------------- This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG) can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC5458 (draft-ietf-ipdvb-sec-req-09) -------------------------------------- Title : Security Requirements for the Unidirectional Lightweight Encapsulation (ULE) Protocol Publication Date : March 2009 Author(s) : H. Cruickshank, P. Pillai, M. Noisternig, S. 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So here is the proposed text: ********************************************* TS Logical Channel: Transport Stream Logical Channel. In this document, this term identifies a channel at the MPEG-2 level [ISO-MPEG2]. It exists at level 2 of the ISO/OSI reference model. All packets sent over a TS Logical Channel carry the same PID value (this value is unique within a specific TS Multiplex). The term "Stream" is defined in MPEG-2 [ISO-MPEG2] to describe the content carried by a specific TS Logical Channel (see ULE Stream). Some PID values are reserved (by MPEG-2) for specific signalling. Other standards (e.g., ATSC, DVB) also reserve specific PID values. ********************************************** ---- Dr. Haitham S. Cruickshank Lecturer Communications Centre for Communication Systems Research (CCSR) BA Building, Room E11 School of Electronics, Computing and Mathematics University of Surrey, Guildford, UK, GU2 7XH Tel: +44 1483 686007 (indirect 689844) Fax: +44 1483 686011 e-mail: H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/H.Cruickshank/ -----Original Message----- From: RFC Errata System [mailto:rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org] Sent: 30 March 2009 08:25 To: Cruickshank HS Dr (CCSR); p.pillai@bradford.ac.uk; mnoist@cosy.sbg.ac.at; sunil.iyengar@logica.com; rdroms@cisco.com; jari.arkko@piuha.net; townsley@cisco.com; gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk Cc: ah@TR-Sys.de; ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5458, "Security Requirements for the Unidirectional Lightweight Encapsulation (ULE) Protocol". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5458&eid=1746 -------------------------------------- Type: Technical Reported by: Alfred Hoenes Section: 2 Original Text ------------- [[ at the bottom of page 5 / top of page 6 ]] TS: Transport Stream [ISO-MPEG2]. A method of transmission at the MPEG-2 layer using TS Packets; it represents Layer 2 of the ISO/OSI reference model. See also TS Logical Channel and TS Multiplex. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ << page break >> TS Multiplex: In this document, ... Corrected Text -------------- TS: Transport Stream [ISO-MPEG2]. A method of transmission at the MPEG-2 layer using TS Packets; it represents Layer 2 of the ISO/OSI reference model. See also TS Logical Channel and TS Multiplex. | | TS Logical Channel: ... << to be filled in >> | ... TS Multiplex: In this document, ... Notes ----- The quoted keyword explanation for "TS Logical Channel" is missing in Section 2. Authors/Verifiers: Please restore the entry and fill in the missing Corrected Text. Instructions: ------------- This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. 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From owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk Tue Apr 7 13:23:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipdvb-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipdvb-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0046C3A6D9A for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 13:23:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MANGLED_STOP=2.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cEuZ7+GP3JRm for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 13:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erg.abdn.ac.uk (dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:241:204:203:baff:fe9a:8c9b]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8863A6A5E for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 13:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n37K4EY6002962 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 21:04:14 +0100 (BST) Received: (from majordomo.lists@localhost) by dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.12.2/Submit) id n37K4Eq2002961 for ipdvb-subscribed-users; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 21:04:14 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk: majordomo.lists set sender to owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk using -f Received: from exprod6og112.obsmtp.com (exprod6og112.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.29]) by erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id n37K3uK0002938; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 21:03:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from source ([63.210.44.42]) by exprod6ob112.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKSduxpwN46KzIZn1XVzS+gKjSwIKsVQF5@postini.com; Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:03:58 PDT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 16:03:20 -0400 Message-ID: <71C9EC0544D1F64D8B7D91EDCC6220200320E6B3@NABSREX027324.NAB.ORG> In-Reply-To: <225B6337E699484095DA8EE02A5063B57983F1@EVS-EC1-NODE1.surrey.ac.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) Thread-Index: AcmxCOTcbn57NhQsT3KO8DtrWRjFaAGjoojgAAgHMNA= References: <200903300724.n2U7Ocpx010767@boreas.isi.edu> <225B6337E699484095DA8EE02A5063B57983F1@EVS-EC1-NODE1.surrey.ac.uk> From: "Allison, Art" To: , , , , , , , , Cc: X-ERG-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by erg.abdn.ac.uk id n37K4ClX002956 Sender: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk X-ERG-MailScanner-From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk It is simply dead wrong to use TS logical channel in relation to defining a Transport Stream. The errata should delete the term TS logical channel, not define it as it only misleads and propagates misunderstanding. The term 'TS logical channel' is not a peer of 'TS multiplex', it is a component of the TS multiplex. A MPEG-2 Transport Stream is a multiplex consisting of a collection of elementary streams in 188-byte packets each stream having a Packet IDentifier (PID). I attempted to inform authors of RFC4326 of the poor construction at the time, but the inventors of the term had more time and used it very very narrowly so it was no longer dead wrong use, at which point my budget to support this work was exhausted. I do have time to educate and advocate better resolution of this errata; but for accurate usage of PID and transport stream see ISO/ITU 13818-1, not later attempts to 'clarify' those terms by those not expert in MPEG-2 Systems. Art Art Allison Director Advanced Engineering, Science and Technology National Association of Broadcasters 1771 N Street NW Washington, DC 20036 Phone 202 429 5418 Fax 202 775 4981 www.nab.org Advocacy Education Innovation |-----Original Message----- |From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk |[mailto:owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk] On Behalf Of |H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk |Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:47 AM |To: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org; p.pillai@Bradford.ac.uk; |mnoist@cosy.sbg.ac.at; sunil.iyengar@logica.com; |rdroms@cisco.com; jari.arkko@piuha.net; townsley@cisco.com; |gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk |Cc: ah@TR-Sys.de; ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk |Subject: RE: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) | | | Hi again, | |I suggest to add the the TS Logical Channel definition (taken |from RFC 4326). So here is the proposed text: | |********************************************* | |TS Logical Channel: Transport Stream Logical Channel. In this |document, this term identifies a channel at the MPEG-2 level |[ISO-MPEG2]. It exists at level 2 of the ISO/OSI reference |model. All packets sent over a TS Logical Channel carry the |same PID value (this value is unique within a specific TS |Multiplex). The term "Stream" is defined in MPEG-2 [ISO-MPEG2] |to describe the content carried by a specific TS Logical |Channel (see ULE Stream). Some PID values are reserved (by |MPEG-2) for specific signalling. Other standards (e.g., ATSC, |DVB) also reserve specific PID values. | |********************************************** | | |---- |Dr. Haitham S. Cruickshank |Lecturer |Communications Centre for Communication Systems Research |(CCSR) BA Building, Room E11 School of Electronics, Computing |and Mathematics University of Surrey, Guildford, UK, GU2 7XH | |Tel: +44 1483 686007 (indirect 689844) |Fax: +44 1483 686011 |e-mail: H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk |http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/H.Cruickshank/ | |-----Original Message----- |From: RFC Errata System [mailto:rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org] |Sent: 30 March 2009 08:25 |To: Cruickshank HS Dr (CCSR); p.pillai@bradford.ac.uk; |mnoist@cosy.sbg.ac.at; sunil.iyengar@logica.com; |rdroms@cisco.com; jari.arkko@piuha.net; townsley@cisco.com; |gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk |Cc: ah@TR-Sys.de; ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org |Subject: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) | | |The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5458, "Security |Requirements for the Unidirectional Lightweight Encapsulation (ULE) |Protocol". | |-------------------------------------- |You may review the report below and at: |http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5458&eid=1746 | |-------------------------------------- |Type: Technical |Reported by: Alfred Hoenes | |Section: 2 | |Original Text |------------- |[[ at the bottom of page 5 / top of page 6 ]] | | TS: Transport Stream [ISO-MPEG2]. A method of transmission at the | MPEG-2 layer using TS Packets; it represents Layer 2 of the ISO/OSI | reference model. See also TS Logical Channel and TS Multiplex. | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | |<< page break >> | | TS Multiplex: In this document, ... | | | |Corrected Text |-------------- | TS: Transport Stream [ISO-MPEG2]. A method of transmission at the | MPEG-2 layer using TS Packets; it represents Layer 2 of the ISO/OSI | reference model. See also TS Logical Channel and TS Multiplex. || || TS Logical Channel: ... << to be filled in >> || ... | | TS Multiplex: In this document, ... | | | | |Notes |----- |The quoted keyword explanation for "TS Logical Channel" |is missing in Section 2. | |Authors/Verifiers: | Please restore the entry and fill in the missing Corrected Text. | |Instructions: |------------- |This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use |"Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or |rejected. When a |decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG) can log in to |change the |status and edit the report, if necessary. | |-------------------------------------- |RFC5458 (draft-ietf-ipdvb-sec-req-09) |-------------------------------------- |Title : Security Requirements for the Unidirectional |Lightweight Encapsulation (ULE) Protocol |Publication Date : March 2009 |Author(s) : H. Cruickshank, P. Pillai, M. 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User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk CC: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, p.pillai@Bradford.ac.uk, mnoist@cosy.sbg.ac.at, sunil.iyengar@logica.com, rdroms@cisco.com, jari.arkko@piuha.net, ah@TR-Sys.de Subject: Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) References: <200903300724.n2U7Ocpx010767@boreas.isi.edu> <225B6337E699484095DA8EE02A5063B57983F1@EVS-EC1-NODE1.surrey.ac.uk> <71C9EC0544D1F64D8B7D91EDCC6220200320E6B3@NABSREX027324.NAB.ORG> In-Reply-To: <71C9EC0544D1F64D8B7D91EDCC6220200320E6B3@NABSREX027324.NAB.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ERG-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Sender: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk X-ERG-MailScanner-From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk After looking at this reported Errata, I suggest there does seems to be a valid issue to note. My thoughts are that the term 'TS logical channel' has been used to describe a component of the TS multiplex, carried as an elementary stream (ES) over a MPEG-2 TS. This term was used to differentiate it from the term "stream" which is widely used in other IETF specs to describe something different. It is not a peer of 'TS multiplex'. Given the term is already defined in other RFCs that are cited, I suggest this is not likely to result in implementation errors in future protocols. I suggest the WG categorise this as "Hold for Document Update" - i.e. a future update of the document should consider this erratum when making the update. If anyone would like to add further comments, please send them to the list by 5th May 2009. After this date we will inform the RFC-Ed of a decision. Best wishes, Gorry Fairhurst IPDVB Chair Allison, Art wrote: > It is simply dead wrong to use TS logical channel in relation to > defining a Transport Stream. > The errata should delete the term TS logical channel, not define it as > it only misleads and propagates misunderstanding. > > The term 'TS logical channel' is not a peer of 'TS multiplex', it is a > component of the TS multiplex. > > A MPEG-2 Transport Stream is a multiplex consisting of a collection of > elementary streams in 188-byte packets each stream having a Packet > IDentifier (PID). > > I attempted to inform authors of RFC4326 of the poor construction at the > time, but the inventors of the term had more time and used it very very > narrowly so it was no longer dead wrong use, at which point my budget to > support this work was exhausted. > > I do have time to educate and advocate better resolution of this errata; > but for accurate usage of PID and transport stream see ISO/ITU 13818-1, > not later attempts to 'clarify' those terms by those not expert in > MPEG-2 Systems. > > Art > Art Allison > > Director Advanced Engineering, Science and Technology > > National Association of Broadcasters > 1771 N Street NW > Washington, DC 20036 > Phone 202 429 5418 > Fax 202 775 4981 > www.nab.org > > Advocacy Education Innovation > > > > > > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |[mailto:owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk] On Behalf Of > |H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk > |Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:47 AM > |To: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org; p.pillai@Bradford.ac.uk; > |mnoist@cosy.sbg.ac.at; sunil.iyengar@logica.com; > |rdroms@cisco.com; jari.arkko@piuha.net; townsley@cisco.com; > |gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |Cc: ah@TR-Sys.de; ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |Subject: RE: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) > | > | > | Hi again, > | > |I suggest to add the the TS Logical Channel definition (taken > |from RFC 4326). So here is the proposed text: > | > |********************************************* > | > |TS Logical Channel: Transport Stream Logical Channel. In this > |document, this term identifies a channel at the MPEG-2 level > |[ISO-MPEG2]. It exists at level 2 of the ISO/OSI reference > |model. All packets sent over a TS Logical Channel carry the > |same PID value (this value is unique within a specific TS > |Multiplex). The term "Stream" is defined in MPEG-2 [ISO-MPEG2] > |to describe the content carried by a specific TS Logical > |Channel (see ULE Stream). Some PID values are reserved (by > |MPEG-2) for specific signalling. Other standards (e.g., ATSC, > |DVB) also reserve specific PID values. > | > |********************************************** > | > | > |---- > |Dr. Haitham S. Cruickshank > |Lecturer > |Communications Centre for Communication Systems Research > |(CCSR) BA Building, Room E11 School of Electronics, Computing > |and Mathematics University of Surrey, Guildford, UK, GU2 7XH > | > |Tel: +44 1483 686007 (indirect 689844) > |Fax: +44 1483 686011 > |e-mail: H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk > |http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/H.Cruickshank/ > | > |-----Original Message----- > |From: RFC Errata System [mailto:rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org] > |Sent: 30 March 2009 08:25 > |To: Cruickshank HS Dr (CCSR); p.pillai@bradford.ac.uk; > |mnoist@cosy.sbg.ac.at; sunil.iyengar@logica.com; > |rdroms@cisco.com; jari.arkko@piuha.net; townsley@cisco.com; > |gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |Cc: ah@TR-Sys.de; ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org > |Subject: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) > | > | > |The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5458, "Security > |Requirements for the Unidirectional Lightweight Encapsulation (ULE) > |Protocol". > | > |-------------------------------------- > |You may review the report below and at: > |http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5458&eid=1746 > | > |-------------------------------------- > |Type: Technical > |Reported by: Alfred Hoenes > | > |Section: 2 > | > |Original Text > |------------- > |[[ at the bottom of page 5 / top of page 6 ]] > | > | TS: Transport Stream [ISO-MPEG2]. A method of transmission at the > | MPEG-2 layer using TS Packets; it represents Layer 2 of the ISO/OSI > | reference model. See also TS Logical Channel and TS Multiplex. > | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > | > |<< page break >> > | > | TS Multiplex: In this document, ... > | > | > | > |Corrected Text > |-------------- > | TS: Transport Stream [ISO-MPEG2]. A method of transmission at the > | MPEG-2 layer using TS Packets; it represents Layer 2 of the ISO/OSI > | reference model. See also TS Logical Channel and TS Multiplex. > || > || TS Logical Channel: ... << to be filled in >> > || ... > | > | TS Multiplex: In this document, ... > | > | > | > | > |Notes > |----- > |The quoted keyword explanation for "TS Logical Channel" > |is missing in Section 2. > | > |Authors/Verifiers: > | Please restore the entry and fill in the missing Corrected Text. > | > |Instructions: > |------------- > |This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use > |"Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or > |rejected. When a > |decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG) can log in to > |change the > |status and edit the report, if necessary. > | > |-------------------------------------- > |RFC5458 (draft-ietf-ipdvb-sec-req-09) > |-------------------------------------- > |Title : Security Requirements for the Unidirectional > |Lightweight Encapsulation (ULE) Protocol > |Publication Date : March 2009 > |Author(s) : H. Cruickshank, P. Pillai, M. Noisternig, S. > |Iyengar > |Category : INFORMATIONAL > |Source : IP over DVB > |Area : Internet > |Stream : IETF > |Verifying Party : IESG > | > | > > From owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 07:22:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipdvb-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipdvb-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1653A67F3 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:22:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MANGLED_STOP=2.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QfEvNaHkic4d for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erg.abdn.ac.uk (dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:241:204:203:baff:fe9a:8c9b]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730523A6925 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n3TDxGbd014277 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:59:16 +0100 (BST) Received: (from majordomo.lists@localhost) by dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.12.2/Submit) id n3TDxG76014276 for ipdvb-subscribed-users; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:59:16 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk: majordomo.lists set sender to owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk using -f Received: from chip2og56.obsmtp.com (chip2og56.obsmtp.com [64.18.13.49]) by erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id n3TDwo9Q014262 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:58:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from source ([63.210.44.41]) by chip2ob56.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKSfhdGcm9UHG/ZZFvL09FYcYs53SDHfLC@postini.com; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:58:52 PDT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:58:00 -0400 Message-ID: <71C9EC0544D1F64D8B7D91EDCC6220200320E732@NABSREX027324.NAB.ORG> In-reply-to: <49F7F798.8070309@erg.abdn.ac.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) Thread-Index: AcnImpA5OLgQXKUCSFCsnQeGjtbocgANZTuQ References: <200903300724.n2U7Ocpx010767@boreas.isi.edu> <225B6337E699484095DA8EE02A5063B57983F1@EVS-EC1-NODE1.surrey.ac.uk> <71C9EC0544D1F64D8B7D91EDCC6220200320E6B3@NABSREX027324.NAB.ORG> <49F7F798.8070309@erg.abdn.ac.uk> From: "Allison, Art" To: Cc: , , , , , , X-ERG-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by erg.abdn.ac.uk id n3TDxFts014272 Sender: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk X-ERG-MailScanner-From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk The definition using the undefined term is "TS: Transport Stream [ISO-MPEG2]." A method of transmission at the MPEG-2 layer using TS Packets; it represents Layer 2 of the ISO/OSI reference model. See also TS Logical Channel and TS Multiplex." Fixing this error by defining the term "TS logical channel' is indeed difficult, but as it was only introduces as one of two 'see also' references, fixing the definition by deletion seems appropriate as the 'see also' only misleads. So, I suggest the last sentence be changed to read "See also TS Multiplex." This would remove the reference to an undefined term, and thereby resolve the documentation issue. Art Art Allison Senior Director Advanced Engineering, Science and Technology National Association of Broadcasters 1771 N Street NW Washington, DC 20036 Phone 202 429 5418 Fax 202 775 4981 www.nab.org Advocacy Education Innovation |-----Original Message----- |From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk |[mailto:owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Gorry Fairhurst |Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:46 AM |To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk |Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org; p.pillai@Bradford.ac.uk; |mnoist@cosy.sbg.ac.at; sunil.iyengar@logica.com; |rdroms@cisco.com; jari.arkko@piuha.net; ah@TR-Sys.de |Subject: Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) | |After looking at this reported Errata, I suggest there does |seems to be a valid issue to note. My thoughts are that the |term 'TS logical channel' has been used to describe a |component of the TS multiplex, carried as an elementary stream |(ES) over a MPEG-2 TS. This term was used to differentiate it |from the term "stream" which is widely used in other IETF |specs to describe something different. It is not a peer of 'TS |multiplex'. | |Given the term is already defined in other RFCs that are |cited, I suggest this is not likely to result in |implementation errors in future protocols. I suggest the WG |categorise this as "Hold for Document Update" - i.e. a future |update of the document should consider this erratum when |making the update. | |If anyone would like to add further comments, please send them |to the list by 5th May 2009. After this date we will inform |the RFC-Ed of a decision. | |Best wishes, | |Gorry Fairhurst |IPDVB Chair | |Allison, Art wrote: |> It is simply dead wrong to use TS logical channel in relation to |> defining a Transport Stream. |> The errata should delete the term TS logical channel, not define it |> as it only misleads and propagates misunderstanding. |> |> The term 'TS logical channel' is not a peer of 'TS |multiplex', it is |> a component of the TS multiplex. |> |> A MPEG-2 Transport Stream is a multiplex consisting of a |collection of |> elementary streams in 188-byte packets each stream having a Packet |> IDentifier (PID). |> |> I attempted to inform authors of RFC4326 of the poor construction at |> the time, but the inventors of the term had more time and |used it very |> very narrowly so it was no longer dead wrong use, at which point my |> budget to support this work was exhausted. |> |> I do have time to educate and advocate better resolution of this |> errata; but for accurate usage of PID and transport stream |see ISO/ITU |> 13818-1, not later attempts to 'clarify' those terms by those not |> expert in |> MPEG-2 Systems. |> |> Art |> Art Allison |> |> Director Advanced Engineering, Science and Technology |> |> National Association of Broadcasters |> 1771 N Street NW |> Washington, DC 20036 |> Phone 202 429 5418 |> Fax 202 775 4981 |> www.nab.org |> |> Advocacy Education Innovation |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |-----Original Message----- |> |From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk |> |[mailto:owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk] On Behalf Of |> |H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk |> |Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:47 AM |> |To: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org; p.pillai@Bradford.ac.uk; |> |mnoist@cosy.sbg.ac.at; sunil.iyengar@logica.com; rdroms@cisco.com; |> |jari.arkko@piuha.net; townsley@cisco.com; gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk |> |Cc: ah@TR-Sys.de; ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk |> |Subject: RE: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) |> | |> | |> | Hi again, |> | |> |I suggest to add the the TS Logical Channel definition (taken from |> |RFC 4326). So here is the proposed text: |> | |> |********************************************* |> | |> |TS Logical Channel: Transport Stream Logical Channel. In this |> |document, this term identifies a channel at the MPEG-2 level |> |[ISO-MPEG2]. It exists at level 2 of the ISO/OSI reference |model. All |> |packets sent over a TS Logical Channel carry the same PID |value (this |> |value is unique within a specific TS Multiplex). The term |"Stream" is |> |defined in MPEG-2 [ISO-MPEG2] to describe the content carried by a |> |specific TS Logical Channel (see ULE Stream). Some PID values are |> |reserved (by |> |MPEG-2) for specific signalling. Other standards (e.g., ATSC, |> |DVB) also reserve specific PID values. |> | |> |********************************************** |> | |> | |> |---- |> |Dr. Haitham S. Cruickshank |> |Lecturer |> |Communications Centre for Communication Systems Research |> |(CCSR) BA Building, Room E11 School of Electronics, Computing and |> |Mathematics University of Surrey, Guildford, UK, GU2 7XH |> | |> |Tel: +44 1483 686007 (indirect 689844) |> |Fax: +44 1483 686011 |> |e-mail: H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk |> |http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/H.Cruickshank/ |> | |> |-----Original Message----- |> |From: RFC Errata System [mailto:rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org] |> |Sent: 30 March 2009 08:25 |> |To: Cruickshank HS Dr (CCSR); p.pillai@bradford.ac.uk; |> |mnoist@cosy.sbg.ac.at; sunil.iyengar@logica.com; rdroms@cisco.com; |> |jari.arkko@piuha.net; townsley@cisco.com; gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk |> |Cc: ah@TR-Sys.de; ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org |> |Subject: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) |> | |> | |> |The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5458, |"Security |> |Requirements for the Unidirectional Lightweight Encapsulation (ULE) |> |Protocol". |> | |> |-------------------------------------- |> |You may review the report below and at: |> |http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5458&eid=1746 |> | |> |-------------------------------------- |> |Type: Technical |> |Reported by: Alfred Hoenes |> | |> |Section: 2 |> | |> |Original Text |> |------------- |> |[[ at the bottom of page 5 / top of page 6 ]] |> | |> | TS: Transport Stream [ISO-MPEG2]. A method of |transmission at the |> | MPEG-2 layer using TS Packets; it represents Layer 2 of |the ISO/OSI |> | reference model. See also TS Logical Channel and TS Multiplex. |> | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |> | |> |<< page break >> |> | |> | TS Multiplex: In this document, ... |> | |> | |> | |> |Corrected Text |> |-------------- |> | TS: Transport Stream [ISO-MPEG2]. A method of |transmission at the |> | MPEG-2 layer using TS Packets; it represents Layer 2 of |the ISO/OSI |> | reference model. See also TS Logical Channel and TS Multiplex. |> || |> || TS Logical Channel: ... << to be filled in >> |> || ... |> | |> | TS Multiplex: In this document, ... |> | |> | |> | |> | |> |Notes |> |----- |> |The quoted keyword explanation for "TS Logical Channel" |> |is missing in Section 2. |> | |> |Authors/Verifiers: |> | Please restore the entry and fill in the missing Corrected Text. |> | |> |Instructions: |> |------------- |> |This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If |necessary, please use |> |"Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or |> |rejected. When a |> |decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG) can log in to |> |change the |> |status and edit the report, if necessary. |> | |> |-------------------------------------- |> |RFC5458 (draft-ietf-ipdvb-sec-req-09) |> |-------------------------------------- |> |Title : Security Requirements for the Unidirectional |> |Lightweight Encapsulation (ULE) Protocol |> |Publication Date : March 2009 |> |Author(s) : H. Cruickshank, P. Pillai, M. Noisternig, S. |> |Iyengar |> |Category : INFORMATIONAL |> |Source : IP over DVB |> |Area : Internet |> |Stream : IETF |> |Verifying Party : IESG |> | |> | |> |> | | | From owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 08:23:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipdvb-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipdvb-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7A83A7133 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:23:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.37 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.37 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.071, BAYES_00=-2.599, MANGLED_STOP=2.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1KeOM8uszvkU for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erg.abdn.ac.uk (dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:241:204:203:baff:fe9a:8c9b]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317AA3A6CD1 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n3TEoYbK015836 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:50:34 +0100 (BST) Received: (from majordomo.lists@localhost) by dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.12.2/Submit) id n3TEoYBs015835 for ipdvb-subscribed-users; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:50:34 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk: majordomo.lists set sender to owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk using -f Received: from dhcp-207-152.erg.abdn.ac.uk (dhcp-207-152.erg.abdn.ac.uk [139.133.207.152]) (authenticated bits=0) by erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n3TEoUBv015826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:50:31 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <49F86931.8080508@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:50:25 +0100 From: Gorry Fairhurst Organization: School of Engineering, University of Aberdeen, Scotland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk Subject: Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) References: <200903300724.n2U7Ocpx010767@boreas.isi.edu> <225B6337E699484095DA8EE02A5063B57983F1@EVS-EC1-NODE1.surrey.ac.uk> <71C9EC0544D1F64D8B7D91EDCC6220200320E6B3@NABSREX027324.NAB.ORG> <49F7F798.8070309@erg.abdn.ac.uk> <71C9EC0544D1F64D8B7D91EDCC6220200320E732@NABSREX027324.NAB.ORG> In-Reply-To: <71C9EC0544D1F64D8B7D91EDCC6220200320E732@NABSREX027324.NAB.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ERG-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Sender: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk X-ERG-MailScanner-From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk Noted, but it is not possible to delete lines from an RFC, we can make a public Errata statement if the protocol has a significant error or there is an ambiguity that will lead to implementation error, etc. Or we can make a note in the document database, that will be used when a new RFC is issued to replace this one. I suggested the latter. Gorry Allison, Art wrote: > The definition using the undefined term is "TS: Transport Stream > [ISO-MPEG2]." A method of > transmission at the MPEG-2 layer using TS Packets; it represents Layer 2 > of > the ISO/OSI reference model. See also TS Logical Channel and TS > Multiplex." > > Fixing this error by defining the term "TS logical channel' is indeed > difficult, but as it was only introduces as one of two 'see also' > references, fixing the definition by deletion seems appropriate as the > 'see also' only misleads. > So, I suggest the last sentence be changed to read "See also TS > Multiplex." > > This would remove the reference to an undefined term, and thereby > resolve the documentation issue. > > Art > Art Allison > > Senior Director Advanced Engineering, Science and Technology > > National Association of Broadcasters > 1771 N Street NW > Washington, DC 20036 > Phone 202 429 5418 > Fax 202 775 4981 > www.nab.org > > Advocacy Education Innovation > > > > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |[mailto:owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Gorry Fairhurst > |Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:46 AM > |To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org; p.pillai@Bradford.ac.uk; > |mnoist@cosy.sbg.ac.at; sunil.iyengar@logica.com; > |rdroms@cisco.com; jari.arkko@piuha.net; ah@TR-Sys.de > |Subject: Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) > | > |After looking at this reported Errata, I suggest there does > |seems to be a valid issue to note. My thoughts are that the > |term 'TS logical channel' has been used to describe a > |component of the TS multiplex, carried as an elementary stream > |(ES) over a MPEG-2 TS. This term was used to differentiate it > |from the term "stream" which is widely used in other IETF > |specs to describe something different. It is not a peer of 'TS > |multiplex'. > | > |Given the term is already defined in other RFCs that are > |cited, I suggest this is not likely to result in > |implementation errors in future protocols. I suggest the WG > |categorise this as "Hold for Document Update" - i.e. a future > |update of the document should consider this erratum when > |making the update. > | > |If anyone would like to add further comments, please send them > |to the list by 5th May 2009. After this date we will inform > |the RFC-Ed of a decision. > | > |Best wishes, > | > |Gorry Fairhurst > |IPDVB Chair > | > |Allison, Art wrote: > |> It is simply dead wrong to use TS logical channel in relation to > |> defining a Transport Stream. > |> The errata should delete the term TS logical channel, not define it > |> as it only misleads and propagates misunderstanding. > |> > |> The term 'TS logical channel' is not a peer of 'TS > |multiplex', it is > |> a component of the TS multiplex. > |> > |> A MPEG-2 Transport Stream is a multiplex consisting of a > |collection of > |> elementary streams in 188-byte packets each stream having a Packet > |> IDentifier (PID). > |> > |> I attempted to inform authors of RFC4326 of the poor construction at > |> the time, but the inventors of the term had more time and > |used it very > |> very narrowly so it was no longer dead wrong use, at which point my > |> budget to support this work was exhausted. > |> > |> I do have time to educate and advocate better resolution of this > |> errata; but for accurate usage of PID and transport stream > |see ISO/ITU > |> 13818-1, not later attempts to 'clarify' those terms by those not > |> expert in > |> MPEG-2 Systems. > |> > |> Art > |> Art Allison > |> > |> Director Advanced Engineering, Science and Technology > |> > |> National Association of Broadcasters > |> 1771 N Street NW > |> Washington, DC 20036 > |> Phone 202 429 5418 > |> Fax 202 775 4981 > |> www.nab.org > |> > |> Advocacy Education Innovation > |> > |> > |> > |> > |> > |> > |> |-----Original Message----- > |> |From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |> |[mailto:owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk] On Behalf Of > |> |H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk > |> |Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:47 AM > |> |To: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org; p.pillai@Bradford.ac.uk; > |> |mnoist@cosy.sbg.ac.at; sunil.iyengar@logica.com; rdroms@cisco.com; > |> |jari.arkko@piuha.net; townsley@cisco.com; gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |> |Cc: ah@TR-Sys.de; ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |> |Subject: RE: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) > |> | > |> | > |> | Hi again, > |> | > |> |I suggest to add the the TS Logical Channel definition (taken from > |> |RFC 4326). So here is the proposed text: > |> | > |> |********************************************* > |> | > |> |TS Logical Channel: Transport Stream Logical Channel. In this > |> |document, this term identifies a channel at the MPEG-2 level > |> |[ISO-MPEG2]. It exists at level 2 of the ISO/OSI reference > |model. All > |> |packets sent over a TS Logical Channel carry the same PID > |value (this > |> |value is unique within a specific TS Multiplex). The term > |"Stream" is > |> |defined in MPEG-2 [ISO-MPEG2] to describe the content carried by a > |> |specific TS Logical Channel (see ULE Stream). Some PID values are > |> |reserved (by > |> |MPEG-2) for specific signalling. Other standards (e.g., ATSC, > |> |DVB) also reserve specific PID values. > |> | > |> |********************************************** > |> | > |> | > |> |---- > |> |Dr. Haitham S. Cruickshank > |> |Lecturer > |> |Communications Centre for Communication Systems Research > |> |(CCSR) BA Building, Room E11 School of Electronics, Computing and > |> |Mathematics University of Surrey, Guildford, UK, GU2 7XH > |> | > |> |Tel: +44 1483 686007 (indirect 689844) > |> |Fax: +44 1483 686011 > |> |e-mail: H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk > |> |http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/H.Cruickshank/ > |> | > |> |-----Original Message----- > |> |From: RFC Errata System [mailto:rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org] > |> |Sent: 30 March 2009 08:25 > |> |To: Cruickshank HS Dr (CCSR); p.pillai@bradford.ac.uk; > |> |mnoist@cosy.sbg.ac.at; sunil.iyengar@logica.com; rdroms@cisco.com; > |> |jari.arkko@piuha.net; townsley@cisco.com; gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |> |Cc: ah@TR-Sys.de; ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org > |> |Subject: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) > |> | > |> | > |> |The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5458, > |"Security > |> |Requirements for the Unidirectional Lightweight Encapsulation (ULE) > |> |Protocol". > |> | > |> |-------------------------------------- > |> |You may review the report below and at: > |> |http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5458&eid=1746 > |> | > |> |-------------------------------------- > |> |Type: Technical > |> |Reported by: Alfred Hoenes > |> | > |> |Section: 2 > |> | > |> |Original Text > |> |------------- > |> |[[ at the bottom of page 5 / top of page 6 ]] > |> | > |> | TS: Transport Stream [ISO-MPEG2]. A method of > |transmission at the > |> | MPEG-2 layer using TS Packets; it represents Layer 2 of > |the ISO/OSI > |> | reference model. See also TS Logical Channel and TS Multiplex. > |> | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > |> | > |> |<< page break >> > |> | > |> | TS Multiplex: In this document, ... > |> | > |> | > |> | > |> |Corrected Text > |> |-------------- > |> | TS: Transport Stream [ISO-MPEG2]. A method of > |transmission at the > |> | MPEG-2 layer using TS Packets; it represents Layer 2 of > |the ISO/OSI > |> | reference model. See also TS Logical Channel and TS Multiplex. > |> || > |> || TS Logical Channel: ... << to be filled in >> > |> || ... > |> | > |> | TS Multiplex: In this document, ... > |> | > |> | > |> | > |> | > |> |Notes > |> |----- > |> |The quoted keyword explanation for "TS Logical Channel" > |> |is missing in Section 2. > |> | > |> |Authors/Verifiers: > |> | Please restore the entry and fill in the missing Corrected Text. > |> | > |> |Instructions: > |> |------------- > |> |This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If > |necessary, please use > |> |"Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or > |> |rejected. When a > |> |decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG) can log in to > |> |change the > |> |status and edit the report, if necessary. > |> | > |> |-------------------------------------- > |> |RFC5458 (draft-ietf-ipdvb-sec-req-09) > |> |-------------------------------------- > |> |Title : Security Requirements for the Unidirectional > |> |Lightweight Encapsulation (ULE) Protocol > |> |Publication Date : March 2009 > |> |Author(s) : H. Cruickshank, P. Pillai, M. Noisternig, S. > |> |Iyengar > |> |Category : INFORMATIONAL > |> |Source : IP over DVB > |> |Area : Internet > |> |Stream : IETF > |> |Verifying Party : IESG > |> | > |> | > |> > |> > | > | > | > > From owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 10:02:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipdvb-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipdvb-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF8528C27D for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:02:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.874 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.874 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.575, BAYES_00=-2.599, MANGLED_STOP=2.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YR39nlUMQkVJ for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erg.abdn.ac.uk (dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:241:204:203:baff:fe9a:8c9b]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8182728C2DC for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n3TGfFno018636 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:41:15 +0100 (BST) Received: (from majordomo.lists@localhost) by dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.12.2/Submit) id n3TGfFCJ018635 for ipdvb-subscribed-users; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:41:15 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk: majordomo.lists set sender to owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk using -f Received: from mail114.messagelabs.com (mail114.messagelabs.com [195.245.231.163]) by erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id n3TGeUZA018608 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:40:30 +0100 (BST) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-114.messagelabs.com!1241023225!59567749!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.0.0; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [131.227.102.140] Received: (qmail 13128 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2009 16:40:25 -0000 Received: from ads40.surrey.ac.uk (HELO ads40.surrey.ac.uk) (131.227.102.140) by server-7.tower-114.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2009 16:40:25 -0000 Received: from EVS-EC1-NODE1.surrey.ac.uk ([131.227.102.144]) by ads40.surrey.ac.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:40:24 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:40:24 +0100 Message-ID: <225B6337E699484095DA8EE02A5063B5798D2C@EVS-EC1-NODE1.surrey.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49F86931.8080508@erg.abdn.ac.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) Thread-Index: AcnI4dLxcPD4go+ASzO49Tu77xchhQAB0zaw From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Apr 2009 16:40:24.0757 (UTC) FILETIME=[31F0CE50:01C9C8E9] X-ERG-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by erg.abdn.ac.uk id n3TGfEHu018628 Sender: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk X-ERG-MailScanner-From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk I agree with Gorry's suggestion. Haitham ---- Dr. Haitham S. Cruickshank Lecturer Communications Centre for Communication Systems Research (CCSR) BA Building, Room E11 School of Electronics, Computing and Mathematics University of Surrey, Guildford, UK, GU2 7XH Tel: +44 1483 686007 (indirect 689844) Fax: +44 1483 686011 e-mail: H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/H.Cruickshank/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk [mailto:owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Gorry Fairhurst Sent: 29 April 2009 15:50 To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk Subject: Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) Noted, but it is not possible to delete lines from an RFC, we can make a public Errata statement if the protocol has a significant error or there is an ambiguity that will lead to implementation error, etc. Or we can make a note in the document database, that will be used when a new RFC is issued to replace this one. I suggested the latter. Gorry Allison, Art wrote: > The definition using the undefined term is "TS: Transport Stream > [ISO-MPEG2]." A method of > transmission at the MPEG-2 layer using TS Packets; it represents Layer > 2 of the ISO/OSI reference model. See also TS Logical Channel and TS > Multiplex." > > Fixing this error by defining the term "TS logical channel' is indeed > difficult, but as it was only introduces as one of two 'see also' > references, fixing the definition by deletion seems appropriate as the > 'see also' only misleads. > So, I suggest the last sentence be changed to read "See also TS > Multiplex." > > This would remove the reference to an undefined term, and thereby > resolve the documentation issue. > > Art > Art Allison > > Senior Director Advanced Engineering, Science and Technology > > National Association of Broadcasters > 1771 N Street NW > Washington, DC 20036 > Phone 202 429 5418 > Fax 202 775 4981 > www.nab.org > > Advocacy Education Innovation > > > > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |[mailto:owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Gorry Fairhurst > |Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:46 AM > |To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org; p.pillai@Bradford.ac.uk; > |mnoist@cosy.sbg.ac.at; sunil.iyengar@logica.com; rdroms@cisco.com; > |jari.arkko@piuha.net; ah@TR-Sys.de > |Subject: Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) > | > |After looking at this reported Errata, I suggest there does seems to > |be a valid issue to note. My thoughts are that the term 'TS logical > |channel' has been used to describe a component of the TS multiplex, > |carried as an elementary stream > |(ES) over a MPEG-2 TS. This term was used to differentiate it from > |the term "stream" which is widely used in other IETF specs to > |describe something different. It is not a peer of 'TS multiplex'. > | > |Given the term is already defined in other RFCs that are cited, I > |suggest this is not likely to result in implementation errors in > |future protocols. I suggest the WG categorise this as "Hold for > |Document Update" - i.e. a future update of the document should > |consider this erratum when making the update. > | > |If anyone would like to add further comments, please send them to the > |list by 5th May 2009. After this date we will inform the RFC-Ed of a > |decision. > | > |Best wishes, > | > |Gorry Fairhurst > |IPDVB Chair > | > |Allison, Art wrote: > |> It is simply dead wrong to use TS logical channel in relation to > |> defining a Transport Stream. > |> The errata should delete the term TS logical channel, not define > |> it as it only misleads and propagates misunderstanding. > |> > |> The term 'TS logical channel' is not a peer of 'TS > |multiplex', it is > |> a component of the TS multiplex. > |> > |> A MPEG-2 Transport Stream is a multiplex consisting of a > |collection of > |> elementary streams in 188-byte packets each stream having a Packet > |> IDentifier (PID). > |> > |> I attempted to inform authors of RFC4326 of the poor construction > |> at the time, but the inventors of the term had more time and > |used it very > |> very narrowly so it was no longer dead wrong use, at which point my > |> budget to support this work was exhausted. > |> > |> I do have time to educate and advocate better resolution of this > |> errata; but for accurate usage of PID and transport stream > |see ISO/ITU > |> 13818-1, not later attempts to 'clarify' those terms by those not > |> expert in > |> MPEG-2 Systems. > |> > |> Art > |> Art Allison > |> > |> Director Advanced Engineering, Science and Technology > |> > |> National Association of Broadcasters > |> 1771 N Street NW > |> Washington, DC 20036 > |> Phone 202 429 5418 > |> Fax 202 775 4981 > |> www.nab.org > |> > |> Advocacy Education Innovation > |> > |> > |> > |> > |> > |> > |> |-----Original Message----- > |> |From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |> |[mailto:owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk] On Behalf Of > |> |H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk > |> |Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:47 AM > |> |To: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org; p.pillai@Bradford.ac.uk; > |> |mnoist@cosy.sbg.ac.at; sunil.iyengar@logica.com; rdroms@cisco.com; > |> |jari.arkko@piuha.net; townsley@cisco.com; gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |> |Cc: ah@TR-Sys.de; ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |> |Subject: RE: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) > |> | > |> | > |> | Hi again, > |> | > |> |I suggest to add the the TS Logical Channel definition (taken from > |> |RFC 4326). So here is the proposed text: > |> | > |> |********************************************* > |> | > |> |TS Logical Channel: Transport Stream Logical Channel. In this > |> |document, this term identifies a channel at the MPEG-2 level > |> |[ISO-MPEG2]. It exists at level 2 of the ISO/OSI reference > |model. All > |> |packets sent over a TS Logical Channel carry the same PID > |value (this > |> |value is unique within a specific TS Multiplex). The term > |"Stream" is > |> |defined in MPEG-2 [ISO-MPEG2] to describe the content carried by a > |> |specific TS Logical Channel (see ULE Stream). Some PID values are > |> |reserved (by > |> |MPEG-2) for specific signalling. Other standards (e.g., ATSC, > |> |DVB) also reserve specific PID values. > |> | > |> |********************************************** > |> | > |> | > |> |---- > |> |Dr. Haitham S. Cruickshank > |> |Lecturer > |> |Communications Centre for Communication Systems Research > |> |(CCSR) BA Building, Room E11 School of Electronics, Computing and > |> |Mathematics University of Surrey, Guildford, UK, GU2 7XH > |> | > |> |Tel: +44 1483 686007 (indirect 689844) > |> |Fax: +44 1483 686011 > |> |e-mail: H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk > |> |http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/H.Cruickshank/ > |> | > |> |-----Original Message----- > |> |From: RFC Errata System [mailto:rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org] > |> |Sent: 30 March 2009 08:25 > |> |To: Cruickshank HS Dr (CCSR); p.pillai@bradford.ac.uk; > |> |mnoist@cosy.sbg.ac.at; sunil.iyengar@logica.com; rdroms@cisco.com; > |> |jari.arkko@piuha.net; townsley@cisco.com; gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |> |Cc: ah@TR-Sys.de; ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org > |> |Subject: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) > |> | > |> | > |> |The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5458, > |"Security > |> |Requirements for the Unidirectional Lightweight Encapsulation > |> |(ULE) Protocol". > |> | > |> |-------------------------------------- > |> |You may review the report below and at: > |> |http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5458&eid=1746 > |> | > |> |-------------------------------------- > |> |Type: Technical > |> |Reported by: Alfred Hoenes > |> | > |> |Section: 2 > |> | > |> |Original Text > |> |------------- > |> |[[ at the bottom of page 5 / top of page 6 ]] > |> | > |> | TS: Transport Stream [ISO-MPEG2]. A method of > |transmission at the > |> | MPEG-2 layer using TS Packets; it represents Layer 2 of > |the ISO/OSI > |> | reference model. See also TS Logical Channel and TS Multiplex. > |> | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > |> | > |> |<< page break >> > |> | > |> | TS Multiplex: In this document, ... > |> | > |> | > |> | > |> |Corrected Text > |> |-------------- > |> | TS: Transport Stream [ISO-MPEG2]. A method of > |transmission at the > |> | MPEG-2 layer using TS Packets; it represents Layer 2 of > |the ISO/OSI > |> | reference model. See also TS Logical Channel and TS Multiplex. > |> || > |> || TS Logical Channel: ... << to be filled in >> > |> || ... > |> | > |> | TS Multiplex: In this document, ... > |> | > |> | > |> | > |> | > |> |Notes > |> |----- > |> |The quoted keyword explanation for "TS Logical Channel" > |> |is missing in Section 2. > |> | > |> |Authors/Verifiers: > |> | Please restore the entry and fill in the missing Corrected Text. > |> | > |> |Instructions: > |> |------------- > |> |This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If > |necessary, please use > |> |"Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. > |> |When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG) can log in > |> |to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. > |> | > |> |-------------------------------------- > |> |RFC5458 (draft-ietf-ipdvb-sec-req-09) > |> |-------------------------------------- > |> |Title : Security Requirements for the Unidirectional > |> |Lightweight Encapsulation (ULE) Protocol > |> |Publication Date : March 2009 > |> |Author(s) : H. Cruickshank, P. Pillai, M. Noisternig, S. > |> |Iyengar > |> |Category : INFORMATIONAL > |> |Source : IP over DVB > |> |Area : Internet > |> |Stream : IETF > |> |Verifying Party : IESG > |> | > |> | > |> > |> > | > | > | > > From owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk Wed Apr 29 10:40:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipdvb-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipdvb-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C867C28C2D2 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:40:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MANGLED_STOP=2.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7-ttgQv+q6EM for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erg.abdn.ac.uk (dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:241:204:203:baff:fe9a:8c9b]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB23F28C2CE for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n3THHRK9019499 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:17:27 +0100 (BST) Received: (from majordomo.lists@localhost) by dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.12.2/Submit) id n3THHR2Q019498 for ipdvb-subscribed-users; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:17:27 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk: majordomo.lists set sender to owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk using -f Received: from chip2og55.obsmtp.com (chip2og55.obsmtp.com [64.18.13.47]) by erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id n3THGxcZ019479 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:16:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from source ([63.210.44.41]) by chip2ob55.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKSfiLiwqK48a9FmKUFYkf6dezYiOu6e0H@postini.com; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:17:00 PDT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:16:08 -0400 Message-ID: <71C9EC0544D1F64D8B7D91EDCC6220200320E738@NABSREX027324.NAB.ORG> In-reply-to: <225B6337E699484095DA8EE02A5063B5798D2C@EVS-EC1-NODE1.surrey.ac.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) Thread-Index: AcnI4dLxcPD4go+ASzO49Tu77xchhQAB0zawAAEbKnA= References: <49F86931.8080508@erg.abdn.ac.uk> <225B6337E699484095DA8EE02A5063B5798D2C@EVS-EC1-NODE1.surrey.ac.uk> From: "Allison, Art" To: X-ERG-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by erg.abdn.ac.uk id n3THHRkT019495 Sender: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk X-ERG-MailScanner-From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk OK, if it is outside IETF process to have an errata that says " the line ...." is not accurate and should read " ..." in order to be accurate; then so be it. While I assert the line is technically in error; I agree it is informative and therefore may only cause some confusion by an implementation and should, not lead to an implementation error. Art |-----Original Message----- |From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk |[mailto:owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk] On Behalf Of |H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk |Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 12:40 PM |To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk |Subject: RE: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) | | | I agree with Gorry's suggestion. |Haitham | | |---- |Dr. Haitham S. Cruickshank |Lecturer |Communications Centre for Communication Systems Research |(CCSR) BA Building, Room E11 School of Electronics, Computing |and Mathematics University of Surrey, Guildford, UK, GU2 7XH | |Tel: +44 1483 686007 (indirect 689844) |Fax: +44 1483 686011 |e-mail: H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk |http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/H.Cruickshank/ | |-----Original Message----- |From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk |[mailto:owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Gorry Fairhurst |Sent: 29 April 2009 15:50 |To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk |Subject: Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) | |Noted, but it is not possible to delete lines from an RFC, we |can make a public Errata statement if the protocol has a |significant error or there is an ambiguity that will lead to |implementation error, etc. Or we can make a note in the |document database, that will be used when a new RFC is issued |to replace this one. I suggested the latter. | |Gorry | | |Allison, Art wrote: |> The definition using the undefined term is "TS: Transport Stream |> [ISO-MPEG2]." A method of |> transmission at the MPEG-2 layer using TS Packets; it |represents Layer | |> 2 of the ISO/OSI reference model. See also TS Logical |Channel and TS |> Multiplex." |> |> Fixing this error by defining the term "TS logical channel' |is indeed |> difficult, but as it was only introduces as one of two 'see also' |> references, fixing the definition by deletion seems |appropriate as the | |> 'see also' only misleads. |> So, I suggest the last sentence be changed to read "See also TS |> Multiplex." |> |> This would remove the reference to an undefined term, and thereby |> resolve the documentation issue. |> |> Art |> Art Allison |> |> Senior Director Advanced Engineering, Science and Technology |> |> National Association of Broadcasters |> 1771 N Street NW |> Washington, DC 20036 |> Phone 202 429 5418 |> Fax 202 775 4981 |> www.nab.org |> |> Advocacy Education Innovation |> |> |> |> |> |-----Original Message----- |> |From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk |> |[mailto:owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Gorry Fairhurst |> |Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:46 AM |> |To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk |> |Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org; p.pillai@Bradford.ac.uk; |> |mnoist@cosy.sbg.ac.at; sunil.iyengar@logica.com; rdroms@cisco.com; |> |jari.arkko@piuha.net; ah@TR-Sys.de |> |Subject: Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) |> | |> |After looking at this reported Errata, I suggest there does |seems to |> |be a valid issue to note. My thoughts are that the term 'TS logical |> |channel' has been used to describe a component of the TS multiplex, |> |carried as an elementary stream |> |(ES) over a MPEG-2 TS. This term was used to differentiate it from |> |the term "stream" which is widely used in other IETF specs to |> |describe something different. It is not a peer of 'TS multiplex'. |> | |> |Given the term is already defined in other RFCs that are cited, I |> |suggest this is not likely to result in implementation errors in |> |future protocols. I suggest the WG categorise this as "Hold for |> |Document Update" - i.e. a future update of the document should |> |consider this erratum when making the update. |> | |> |If anyone would like to add further comments, please send |them to the | |> |list by 5th May 2009. After this date we will inform the |RFC-Ed of a |> |decision. |> | |> |Best wishes, |> | |> |Gorry Fairhurst |> |IPDVB Chair |> | |> |Allison, Art wrote: |> |> It is simply dead wrong to use TS logical channel in relation to |> |> defining a Transport Stream. |> |> The errata should delete the term TS logical channel, not define |> |> it as it only misleads and propagates misunderstanding. |> |> |> |> The term 'TS logical channel' is not a peer of 'TS |> |multiplex', it is |> |> a component of the TS multiplex. |> |> |> |> A MPEG-2 Transport Stream is a multiplex consisting of a |> |collection of |> |> elementary streams in 188-byte packets each stream having |a Packet |> |> IDentifier (PID). |> |> |> |> I attempted to inform authors of RFC4326 of the poor construction |> |> at the time, but the inventors of the term had more time and |> |used it very |> |> very narrowly so it was no longer dead wrong use, at |which point my | |> |> budget to support this work was exhausted. |> |> |> |> I do have time to educate and advocate better resolution of this |> |> errata; but for accurate usage of PID and transport stream |> |see ISO/ITU |> |> 13818-1, not later attempts to 'clarify' those terms by those not |> |> expert in |> |> MPEG-2 Systems. |> |> |> |> Art |> |> Art Allison |> |> |> |> Director Advanced Engineering, Science and Technology |> |> |> |> National Association of Broadcasters |> |> 1771 N Street NW |> |> Washington, DC 20036 |> |> Phone 202 429 5418 |> |> Fax 202 775 4981 |> |> www.nab.org |> |> |> |> Advocacy Education Innovation |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |-----Original Message----- |> |> |From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk |> |> |[mailto:owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk] On Behalf Of |> |> |H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk |> |> |Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:47 AM |> |> |To: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org; p.pillai@Bradford.ac.uk; |> |> |mnoist@cosy.sbg.ac.at; sunil.iyengar@logica.com; |rdroms@cisco.com; | |> |> |jari.arkko@piuha.net; townsley@cisco.com; gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk |> |> |Cc: ah@TR-Sys.de; ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk |> |> |Subject: RE: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) |> |> | |> |> | |> |> | Hi again, |> |> | |> |> |I suggest to add the the TS Logical Channel definition |(taken from | |> |> |RFC 4326). So here is the proposed text: |> |> | |> |> |********************************************* |> |> | |> |> |TS Logical Channel: Transport Stream Logical Channel. In this |> |> |document, this term identifies a channel at the MPEG-2 level |> |> |[ISO-MPEG2]. It exists at level 2 of the ISO/OSI reference |> |model. All |> |> |packets sent over a TS Logical Channel carry the same PID |> |value (this |> |> |value is unique within a specific TS Multiplex). The term |> |"Stream" is |> |> |defined in MPEG-2 [ISO-MPEG2] to describe the content |carried by a | |> |> |specific TS Logical Channel (see ULE Stream). Some PID |values are |> |> |reserved (by |> |> |MPEG-2) for specific signalling. Other standards (e.g., ATSC, |> |> |DVB) also reserve specific PID values. |> |> | |> |> |********************************************** |> |> | |> |> | |> |> |---- |> |> |Dr. Haitham S. Cruickshank |> |> |Lecturer |> |> |Communications Centre for Communication Systems Research |> |> |(CCSR) BA Building, Room E11 School of Electronics, |Computing and |> |> |Mathematics University of Surrey, Guildford, UK, GU2 7XH |> |> | |> |> |Tel: +44 1483 686007 (indirect 689844) |> |> |Fax: +44 1483 686011 |> |> |e-mail: H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk |> |> |http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/H.Cruickshank/ |> |> | |> |> |-----Original Message----- |> |> |From: RFC Errata System [mailto:rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org] |> |> |Sent: 30 March 2009 08:25 |> |> |To: Cruickshank HS Dr (CCSR); p.pillai@bradford.ac.uk; |> |> |mnoist@cosy.sbg.ac.at; sunil.iyengar@logica.com; |rdroms@cisco.com; | |> |> |jari.arkko@piuha.net; townsley@cisco.com; gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk |> |> |Cc: ah@TR-Sys.de; ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org |> |> |Subject: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) |> |> | |> |> | |> |> |The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5458, |> |"Security |> |> |Requirements for the Unidirectional Lightweight Encapsulation |> |> |(ULE) Protocol". |> |> | |> |> |-------------------------------------- |> |> |You may review the report below and at: |> |> |http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5458&eid=1746 |> |> | |> |> |-------------------------------------- |> |> |Type: Technical |> |> |Reported by: Alfred Hoenes |> |> | |> |> |Section: 2 |> |> | |> |> |Original Text |> |> |------------- |> |> |[[ at the bottom of page 5 / top of page 6 ]] |> |> | |> |> | TS: Transport Stream [ISO-MPEG2]. A method of |> |transmission at the |> |> | MPEG-2 layer using TS Packets; it represents Layer 2 of |> |the ISO/OSI |> |> | reference model. See also TS Logical Channel and TS |Multiplex. |> |> | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |> |> | |> |> |<< page break >> |> |> | |> |> | TS Multiplex: In this document, ... |> |> | |> |> | |> |> | |> |> |Corrected Text |> |> |-------------- |> |> | TS: Transport Stream [ISO-MPEG2]. A method of |> |transmission at the |> |> | MPEG-2 layer using TS Packets; it represents Layer 2 of |> |the ISO/OSI |> |> | reference model. See also TS Logical Channel and TS |Multiplex. |> |> || |> |> || TS Logical Channel: ... << to be filled in >> |> |> || ... |> |> | |> |> | TS Multiplex: In this document, ... |> |> | |> |> | |> |> | |> |> | |> |> |Notes |> |> |----- |> |> |The quoted keyword explanation for "TS Logical Channel" |> |> |is missing in Section 2. |> |> | |> |> |Authors/Verifiers: |> |> | Please restore the entry and fill in the missing |Corrected Text. |> |> | |> |> |Instructions: |> |> |------------- |> |> |This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If |> |necessary, please use |> |> |"Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or |rejected. |> |> |When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG) |can log in |> |> |to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. |> |> | |> |> |-------------------------------------- |> |> |RFC5458 (draft-ietf-ipdvb-sec-req-09) |> |> |-------------------------------------- |> |> |Title : Security Requirements for the |Unidirectional |> |> |Lightweight Encapsulation (ULE) Protocol |> |> |Publication Date : March 2009 |> |> |Author(s) : H. Cruickshank, P. Pillai, M. |Noisternig, S. |> |> |Iyengar |> |> |Category : INFORMATIONAL |> |> |Source : IP over DVB |> |> |Area : Internet |> |> |Stream : IETF |> |> |Verifying Party : IESG |> |> | |> |> | |> |> |> |> |> | |> | |> | |> |> | | | From owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk Thu Apr 30 04:34:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipdvb-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipdvb-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB8228C30F for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 04:34:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.321 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.321 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.022, BAYES_00=-2.599, MANGLED_STOP=2.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lBqHm+rGZ7SJ for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 04:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erg.abdn.ac.uk (dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:241:204:203:baff:fe9a:8c9b]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07CC53A71DC for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 04:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n3UB9tKM012972 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:09:55 +0100 (BST) Received: (from majordomo.lists@localhost) by dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.12.2/Submit) id n3UB9tgG012971 for ipdvb-subscribed-users; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:09:55 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk: majordomo.lists set sender to owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk using -f Received: from gorry-mac.erg.abdn.ac.uk (gorry-mac.erg.abdn.ac.uk [139.133.207.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n3UB9qbV012962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:09:52 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <49F98700.9010203@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:09:52 +0100 From: Gorry Fairhurst Organization: The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland, No SC013683. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk Subject: Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) References: <49F86931.8080508@erg.abdn.ac.uk> <225B6337E699484095DA8EE02A5063B5798D2C@EVS-EC1-NODE1.surrey.ac.uk> <71C9EC0544D1F64D8B7D91EDCC6220200320E738@NABSREX027324.NAB.ORG> In-Reply-To: <71C9EC0544D1F64D8B7D91EDCC6220200320E738@NABSREX027324.NAB.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ERG-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Sender: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk X-ERG-MailScanner-From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk [Sent not as WG chair]: I personally find it hard to see that this impacts implementation and interoperability, because this is a requirements spec. The term is defined already in RFC 4326. [As WG Chair]: I would appreciate other working group feedback if other people have comments on this issue. Working Group members, please send feedback to the list, and we shall judge consensus by 5th May 2009. Gorry Allison, Art wrote: > OK, if it is outside IETF process to have an errata that says " the line > ...." is not accurate and should read " ..." in order to be accurate; > then so be it. > While I assert the line is technically in error; I agree it is > informative and therefore may only cause some confusion by an > implementation and should, not lead to an implementation error. > > Art > |-----Original Message----- > |From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |[mailto:owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk] On Behalf Of > |H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk > |Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 12:40 PM > |To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |Subject: RE: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) > | > | > | I agree with Gorry's suggestion. > |Haitham > | > | > |---- > |Dr. Haitham S. Cruickshank > |Lecturer > |Communications Centre for Communication Systems Research > |(CCSR) BA Building, Room E11 School of Electronics, Computing > |and Mathematics University of Surrey, Guildford, UK, GU2 7XH > | > |Tel: +44 1483 686007 (indirect 689844) > |Fax: +44 1483 686011 > |e-mail: H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk > |http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/H.Cruickshank/ > | > |-----Original Message----- > |From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |[mailto:owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Gorry Fairhurst > |Sent: 29 April 2009 15:50 > |To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |Subject: Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) > | > |Noted, but it is not possible to delete lines from an RFC, we > |can make a public Errata statement if the protocol has a > |significant error or there is an ambiguity that will lead to > |implementation error, etc. Or we can make a note in the > |document database, that will be used when a new RFC is issued > |to replace this one. I suggested the latter. > | > |Gorry > | > | > |Allison, Art wrote: > |> The definition using the undefined term is "TS: Transport Stream > |> [ISO-MPEG2]." A method of > |> transmission at the MPEG-2 layer using TS Packets; it > |represents Layer > | > |> 2 of the ISO/OSI reference model. See also TS Logical > |Channel and TS > |> Multiplex." > |> > |> Fixing this error by defining the term "TS logical channel' > |is indeed > |> difficult, but as it was only introduces as one of two 'see also' > |> references, fixing the definition by deletion seems > |appropriate as the > | > |> 'see also' only misleads. > |> So, I suggest the last sentence be changed to read "See also TS > |> Multiplex." > |> > |> This would remove the reference to an undefined term, and thereby > |> resolve the documentation issue. > |> > |> Art > |> Art Allison > |> > |> Senior Director Advanced Engineering, Science and Technology > |> > |> National Association of Broadcasters > |> 1771 N Street NW > |> Washington, DC 20036 > |> Phone 202 429 5418 > |> Fax 202 775 4981 > |> www.nab.org > |> > |> Advocacy Education Innovation > |> > |> > |> > |> > |> |-----Original Message----- > |> |From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |> |[mailto:owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Gorry Fairhurst > |> |Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:46 AM > |> |To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |> |Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org; p.pillai@Bradford.ac.uk; > |> |mnoist@cosy.sbg.ac.at; sunil.iyengar@logica.com; rdroms@cisco.com; > |> |jari.arkko@piuha.net; ah@TR-Sys.de > |> |Subject: Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) > |> | > |> |After looking at this reported Errata, I suggest there does > |seems to > |> |be a valid issue to note. My thoughts are that the term 'TS logical > |> |channel' has been used to describe a component of the TS multiplex, > |> |carried as an elementary stream > |> |(ES) over a MPEG-2 TS. This term was used to differentiate it from > |> |the term "stream" which is widely used in other IETF specs to > |> |describe something different. It is not a peer of 'TS multiplex'. > |> | > |> |Given the term is already defined in other RFCs that are cited, I > |> |suggest this is not likely to result in implementation errors in > |> |future protocols. I suggest the WG categorise this as "Hold for > |> |Document Update" - i.e. a future update of the document should > |> |consider this erratum when making the update. > |> | > |> |If anyone would like to add further comments, please send > |them to the > | > |> |list by 5th May 2009. After this date we will inform the > |RFC-Ed of a > |> |decision. > |> | > |> |Best wishes, > |> | > |> |Gorry Fairhurst > |> |IPDVB Chair > |> | > |> |Allison, Art wrote: > |> |> It is simply dead wrong to use TS logical channel in relation to > |> |> defining a Transport Stream. > |> |> The errata should delete the term TS logical channel, not define > |> |> it as it only misleads and propagates misunderstanding. > |> |> > |> |> The term 'TS logical channel' is not a peer of 'TS > |> |multiplex', it is > |> |> a component of the TS multiplex. > |> |> > |> |> A MPEG-2 Transport Stream is a multiplex consisting of a > |> |collection of > |> |> elementary streams in 188-byte packets each stream having > |a Packet > |> |> IDentifier (PID). > |> |> > |> |> I attempted to inform authors of RFC4326 of the poor construction > |> |> at the time, but the inventors of the term had more time and > |> |used it very > |> |> very narrowly so it was no longer dead wrong use, at > |which point my > | > |> |> budget to support this work was exhausted. > |> |> > |> |> I do have time to educate and advocate better resolution of this > |> |> errata; but for accurate usage of PID and transport stream > |> |see ISO/ITU > |> |> 13818-1, not later attempts to 'clarify' those terms by those not > |> |> expert in > |> |> MPEG-2 Systems. > |> |> > |> |> Art > |> |> Art Allison > |> |> > |> |> Director Advanced Engineering, Science and Technology > |> |> > |> |> National Association of Broadcasters > |> |> 1771 N Street NW > |> |> Washington, DC 20036 > |> |> Phone 202 429 5418 > |> |> Fax 202 775 4981 > |> |> www.nab.org > |> |> > |> |> Advocacy Education Innovation > |> |> > |> |> > |> |> > |> |> > |> |> > |> |> > |> |> |-----Original Message----- > |> |> |From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |> |> |[mailto:owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk] On Behalf Of > |> |> |H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk > |> |> |Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:47 AM > |> |> |To: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org; p.pillai@Bradford.ac.uk; > |> |> |mnoist@cosy.sbg.ac.at; sunil.iyengar@logica.com; > |rdroms@cisco.com; > | > |> |> |jari.arkko@piuha.net; townsley@cisco.com; gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |> |> |Cc: ah@TR-Sys.de; ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |> |> |Subject: RE: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) > |> |> | > |> |> | > |> |> | Hi again, > |> |> | > |> |> |I suggest to add the the TS Logical Channel definition > |(taken from > | > |> |> |RFC 4326). So here is the proposed text: > |> |> | > |> |> |********************************************* > |> |> | > |> |> |TS Logical Channel: Transport Stream Logical Channel. In this > |> |> |document, this term identifies a channel at the MPEG-2 level > |> |> |[ISO-MPEG2]. It exists at level 2 of the ISO/OSI reference > |> |model. All > |> |> |packets sent over a TS Logical Channel carry the same PID > |> |value (this > |> |> |value is unique within a specific TS Multiplex). The term > |> |"Stream" is > |> |> |defined in MPEG-2 [ISO-MPEG2] to describe the content > |carried by a > | > |> |> |specific TS Logical Channel (see ULE Stream). Some PID > |values are > |> |> |reserved (by > |> |> |MPEG-2) for specific signalling. Other standards (e.g., ATSC, > |> |> |DVB) also reserve specific PID values. > |> |> | > |> |> |********************************************** > |> |> | > |> |> | > |> |> |---- > |> |> |Dr. Haitham S. Cruickshank > |> |> |Lecturer > |> |> |Communications Centre for Communication Systems Research > |> |> |(CCSR) BA Building, Room E11 School of Electronics, > |Computing and > |> |> |Mathematics University of Surrey, Guildford, UK, GU2 7XH > |> |> | > |> |> |Tel: +44 1483 686007 (indirect 689844) > |> |> |Fax: +44 1483 686011 > |> |> |e-mail: H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk > |> |> |http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/H.Cruickshank/ > |> |> | > |> |> |-----Original Message----- > |> |> |From: RFC Errata System [mailto:rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org] > |> |> |Sent: 30 March 2009 08:25 > |> |> |To: Cruickshank HS Dr (CCSR); p.pillai@bradford.ac.uk; > |> |> |mnoist@cosy.sbg.ac.at; sunil.iyengar@logica.com; > |rdroms@cisco.com; > | > |> |> |jari.arkko@piuha.net; townsley@cisco.com; gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk > |> |> |Cc: ah@TR-Sys.de; ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org > |> |> |Subject: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) > |> |> | > |> |> | > |> |> |The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5458, > |> |"Security > |> |> |Requirements for the Unidirectional Lightweight Encapsulation > |> |> |(ULE) Protocol". > |> |> | > |> |> |-------------------------------------- > |> |> |You may review the report below and at: > |> |> |http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5458&eid=1746 > |> |> | > |> |> |-------------------------------------- > |> |> |Type: Technical > |> |> |Reported by: Alfred Hoenes > |> |> | > |> |> |Section: 2 > |> |> | > |> |> |Original Text > |> |> |------------- > |> |> |[[ at the bottom of page 5 / top of page 6 ]] > |> |> | > |> |> | TS: Transport Stream [ISO-MPEG2]. A method of > |> |transmission at the > |> |> | MPEG-2 layer using TS Packets; it represents Layer 2 of > |> |the ISO/OSI > |> |> | reference model. See also TS Logical Channel and TS > |Multiplex. > |> |> | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > |> |> | > |> |> |<< page break >> > |> |> | > |> |> | TS Multiplex: In this document, ... > |> |> | > |> |> | > |> |> | > |> |> |Corrected Text > |> |> |-------------- > |> |> | TS: Transport Stream [ISO-MPEG2]. A method of > |> |transmission at the > |> |> | MPEG-2 layer using TS Packets; it represents Layer 2 of > |> |the ISO/OSI > |> |> | reference model. See also TS Logical Channel and TS > |Multiplex. > |> |> || > |> |> || TS Logical Channel: ... << to be filled in >> > |> |> || ... > |> |> | > |> |> | TS Multiplex: In this document, ... > |> |> | > |> |> | > |> |> | > |> |> | > |> |> |Notes > |> |> |----- > |> |> |The quoted keyword explanation for "TS Logical Channel" > |> |> |is missing in Section 2. > |> |> | > |> |> |Authors/Verifiers: > |> |> | Please restore the entry and fill in the missing > |Corrected Text. > |> |> | > |> |> |Instructions: > |> |> |------------- > |> |> |This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If > |> |necessary, please use > |> |> |"Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or > |rejected. > |> |> |When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG) > |can log in > |> |> |to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. > |> |> | > |> |> |-------------------------------------- > |> |> |RFC5458 (draft-ietf-ipdvb-sec-req-09) > |> |> |-------------------------------------- > |> |> |Title : Security Requirements for the > |Unidirectional > |> |> |Lightweight Encapsulation (ULE) Protocol > |> |> |Publication Date : March 2009 > |> |> |Author(s) : H. Cruickshank, P. Pillai, M. > |Noisternig, S. > |> |> |Iyengar > |> |> |Category : INFORMATIONAL > |> |> |Source : IP over DVB > |> |> |Area : Internet > |> |> |Stream : IETF > |> |> |Verifying Party : IESG > |> |> | > |> |> | > |> |> > |> |> > |> | > |> | > |> | > |> > |> > | > | > | > > -- Dr Gorry Fairhurst, School of Engineering, University of Aberdeen. The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland, No SC013683. From owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk Thu Apr 30 05:13:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipdvb-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipdvb-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA8723A71FA for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 05:13:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MANGLED_STOP=2.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vLz43v6roBFR for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 05:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erg.abdn.ac.uk (dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:241:204:203:baff:fe9a:8c9b]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BAF3A694D for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 05:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n3UBluO7014145 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:47:56 +0100 (BST) Received: (from majordomo.lists@localhost) by dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.12.2/Submit) id n3UBluSF014144 for ipdvb-subscribed-users; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:47:56 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk: majordomo.lists set sender to owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk using -f Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.145]) by erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n3UBlgHG014127 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:47:43 +0100 (BST) Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so1346529qwj.22 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 04:47:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.89.82 with SMTP id d18mr1670497qam.49.1241092062478; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 04:47:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.2? (c-71-234-102-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [71.234.102.55]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm6683934yxt.54.2009.04.30.04.47.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 30 Apr 2009 04:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <185B9295-7996-4DB0-86C7-2169AE645B57@mjmontpetit.com> From: Marie-Jose Montpetit To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49F98700.9010203@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:47:37 -0400 References: <49F86931.8080508@erg.abdn.ac.uk> <225B6337E699484095DA8EE02A5063B5798D2C@EVS-EC1-NODE1.surrey.ac.uk> <71C9EC0544D1F64D8B7D91EDCC6220200320E738@NABSREX027324.NAB.ORG> <49F98700.9010203@erg.abdn.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-ERG-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Sender: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk X-ERG-MailScanner-From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk As WG member and contributor to the original RFCs of this group I believe that any implementor of RFC5458 will not be lead to an erroneous implementation or even to confusion because of the chosen language. I would go further to say that at this point to redefine terms would be more confusing. Any implementor of RFC5458 will be already familiar with the multiple definitions of "streams" and "channels" that are used differently in the broadcast and Internet industries. /mjm Marie-Jose Montpetit, Ph.D. Invited Scientist, MIT mariejo@media.mit.edu On Apr 30, 2009, at 7:09 AM, Gorry Fairhurst wrote: > [Sent not as WG chair]: I personally find it hard to see that this > impacts implementation and interoperability, because this is a > requirements spec. The term is defined already in RFC 4326. > > [As WG Chair]: I would appreciate other working group feedback if > other people have comments on this issue. Working Group members, > please send feedback to the list, and we shall judge consensus by > 5th May 2009. > > Gorry > > Allison, Art wrote: >> OK, if it is outside IETF process to have an errata that says " the >> line >> ...." is not accurate and should read " ..." in order to be >> accurate; >> then so be it. >> While I assert the line is technically in error; I agree it is >> informative and therefore may only cause some confusion by an >> implementation and should, not lead to an implementation error. Art >> |-----Original Message----- >> |From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk |[mailto:owner- >> ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk] On Behalf Of |H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk >> |Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 12:40 PM >> |To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk >> |Subject: RE: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) >> | >> | >> | I agree with Gorry's suggestion. >> |Haitham >> | >> | >> |---- >> |Dr. Haitham S. Cruickshank >> |Lecturer >> |Communications Centre for Communication Systems Research |(CCSR) >> BA Building, Room E11 School of Electronics, Computing |and >> Mathematics University of Surrey, Guildford, UK, GU2 7XH | |Tel: >> +44 1483 686007 (indirect 689844) >> |Fax: +44 1483 686011 >> |e-mail: H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk >> |http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/H.Cruickshank/ | >> |-----Original Message----- >> |From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk |[mailto:owner- >> ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Gorry Fairhurst >> |Sent: 29 April 2009 15:50 >> |To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk >> |Subject: Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) >> | >> |Noted, but it is not possible to delete lines from an RFC, we |can >> make a public Errata statement if the protocol has a |significant >> error or there is an ambiguity that will lead to |implementation >> error, etc. Or we can make a note in the |document database, that >> will be used when a new RFC is issued |to replace this one. I >> suggested the latter. >> | >> |Gorry >> | >> | >> |Allison, Art wrote: >> |> The definition using the undefined term is "TS: Transport Stream >> |> [ISO-MPEG2]." A method of |> transmission at the MPEG-2 layer >> using TS Packets; it |represents Layer >> | >> |> 2 of the ISO/OSI reference model. See also TS Logical |Channel >> and TS |> Multiplex." >> |> |> Fixing this error by defining the term "TS logical channel' | >> is indeed |> difficult, but as it was only introduces as one of two >> 'see also' >> |> references, fixing the definition by deletion seems |appropriate >> as the >> | >> |> 'see also' only misleads. >> |> So, I suggest the last sentence be changed to read "See also TS | >> > Multiplex." >> |> |> This would remove the reference to an undefined term, and >> thereby |> resolve the documentation issue. >> |> |> Art >> |> Art Allison >> |> |> Senior Director Advanced Engineering, Science and Technology >> |> |> National Association of Broadcasters >> |> 1771 N Street NW >> |> Washington, DC 20036 >> |> Phone 202 429 5418 >> |> Fax 202 775 4981 >> |> www.nab.org >> |> |> Advocacy Education Innovation >> |> |> |> |> |> |-----Original Message----- >> |> |From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk >> |> |[mailto:owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Gorry Fairhurst >> |> |Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:46 AM >> |> |To: ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk >> |> |Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org; p.pillai@Bradford.ac.uk; |> |mnoist@cosy.sbg.ac.at >> ; sunil.iyengar@logica.com; rdroms@cisco.com; |> |jari.arkko@piuha.net >> ; ah@TR-Sys.de >> |> |Subject: Re: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) >> |> | >> |> |After looking at this reported Errata, I suggest there does | >> seems to |> |be a valid issue to note. My thoughts are that the >> term 'TS logical |> |channel' has been used to describe a component >> of the TS multiplex, |> |carried as an elementary stream >> |> |(ES) over a MPEG-2 TS. This term was used to differentiate it >> from |> |the term "stream" which is widely used in other IETF specs >> to |> |describe something different. It is not a peer of 'TS >> multiplex'. >> |> | >> |> |Given the term is already defined in other RFCs that are cited, >> I |> |suggest this is not likely to result in implementation errors >> in |> |future protocols. I suggest the WG categorise this as "Hold >> for |> |Document Update" - i.e. a future update of the document >> should |> |consider this erratum when making the update. >> |> | >> |> |If anyone would like to add further comments, please send |them >> to the >> | >> |> |list by 5th May 2009. After this date we will inform the |RFC- >> Ed of a |> |decision. >> |> | >> |> |Best wishes, >> |> | >> |> |Gorry Fairhurst >> |> |IPDVB Chair >> |> | >> |> |Allison, Art wrote: >> |> |> It is simply dead wrong to use TS logical channel in relation >> to |> |> defining a Transport Stream. >> |> |> The errata should delete the term TS logical channel, not >> define |> |> it as it only misleads and propagates misunderstanding. >> |> |> |> |> The term 'TS logical channel' is not a peer of 'TS >> |> |multiplex', it is >> |> |> a component of the TS multiplex. >> |> |> |> |> A MPEG-2 Transport Stream is a multiplex consisting of a >> |> |collection of >> |> |> elementary streams in 188-byte packets each stream having |a >> Packet |> |> IDentifier (PID). >> |> |> |> |> I attempted to inform authors of RFC4326 of the poor >> construction |> |> at the time, but the inventors of the term had >> more time and >> |> |used it very >> |> |> very narrowly so it was no longer dead wrong use, at |which >> point my >> | >> |> |> budget to support this work was exhausted. >> |> |> |> |> I do have time to educate and advocate better >> resolution of this |> |> errata; but for accurate usage of PID and >> transport stream >> |> |see ISO/ITU >> |> |> 13818-1, not later attempts to 'clarify' those terms by those >> not |> |> expert in >> |> |> MPEG-2 Systems. |> |> |> |> Art >> |> |> Art Allison >> |> |> |> |> Director Advanced Engineering, Science and Technology >> |> |> |> |> National Association of Broadcasters >> |> |> 1771 N Street NW >> |> |> Washington, DC 20036 >> |> |> Phone 202 429 5418 >> |> |> Fax 202 775 4981 >> |> |> www.nab.org >> |> |> |> |> Advocacy Education Innovation >> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |-----Original >> Message----- >> |> |> |From: owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk >> |> |> |[mailto:owner-ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk] On Behalf Of |> |> |H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk >> |> |> |Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:47 AM >> |> |> |To: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org; p.pillai@Bradford.ac.uk; |> | >> > |mnoist@cosy.sbg.ac.at; sunil.iyengar@logica.com; | >> rdroms@cisco.com; >> | >> |> |> |jari.arkko@piuha.net; townsley@cisco.com; gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk >> |> |> |Cc: ah@TR-Sys.de; ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk >> |> |> |Subject: RE: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) >> |> |> | >> |> |> | >> |> |> | Hi again, >> |> |> | >> |> |> |I suggest to add the the TS Logical Channel definition | >> (taken from >> | >> |> |> |RFC 4326). So here is the proposed text: >> |> |> | >> |> |> |********************************************* >> |> |> | >> |> |> |TS Logical Channel: Transport Stream Logical Channel. In >> this |> |> |document, this term identifies a channel at the MPEG-2 >> level |> |> |[ISO-MPEG2]. It exists at level 2 of the ISO/OSI >> reference >> |> |model. All >> |> |> |packets sent over a TS Logical Channel carry the same PID >> |> |value (this >> |> |> |value is unique within a specific TS Multiplex). The term >> |> |"Stream" is >> |> |> |defined in MPEG-2 [ISO-MPEG2] to describe the content | >> carried by a >> | >> |> |> |specific TS Logical Channel (see ULE Stream). Some PID | >> values are |> |> |reserved (by >> |> |> |MPEG-2) for specific signalling. Other standards (e.g., ATSC, >> |> |> |DVB) also reserve specific PID values. >> |> |> | >> |> |> |********************************************** >> |> |> | >> |> |> | >> |> |> |---- >> |> |> |Dr. Haitham S. Cruickshank >> |> |> |Lecturer >> |> |> |Communications Centre for Communication Systems Research >> |> |> |(CCSR) BA Building, Room E11 School of Electronics, | >> Computing and |> |> |Mathematics University of Surrey, Guildford, >> UK, GU2 7XH >> |> |> | |> |> |Tel: +44 1483 686007 (indirect 689844) >> |> |> |Fax: +44 1483 686011 >> |> |> |e-mail: H.Cruickshank@surrey.ac.uk |> |> |http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/H.Cruickshank/ >> |> |> | >> |> |> |-----Original Message----- >> |> |> |From: RFC Errata System [mailto:rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org] >> |> |> |Sent: 30 March 2009 08:25 >> |> |> |To: Cruickshank HS Dr (CCSR); p.pillai@bradford.ac.uk; |> |> |mnoist@cosy.sbg.ac.at >> ; sunil.iyengar@logica.com; |rdroms@cisco.com; >> | >> |> |> |jari.arkko@piuha.net; townsley@cisco.com; gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk >> |> |> |Cc: ah@TR-Sys.de; ipdvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org >> |> |> |Subject: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5458 (1746) >> |> |> | >> |> |> | >> |> |> |The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5458, >> |> |"Security >> |> |> |Requirements for the Unidirectional Lightweight Encapsulation >> |> |> |(ULE) Protocol". >> |> |> | >> |> |> |-------------------------------------- >> |> |> |You may review the report below and at: >> |> |> |http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5458&eid=1746 >> |> |> | >> |> |> |-------------------------------------- >> |> |> |Type: Technical >> |> |> |Reported by: Alfred Hoenes >> |> |> | >> |> |> |Section: 2 >> |> |> | >> |> |> |Original Text >> |> |> |------------- >> |> |> |[[ at the bottom of page 5 / top of page 6 ]] >> |> |> | >> |> |> | TS: Transport Stream [ISO-MPEG2]. A method of >> |> |transmission at the >> |> |> | MPEG-2 layer using TS Packets; it represents Layer 2 of >> |> |the ISO/OSI >> |> |> | reference model. See also TS Logical Channel and TS | >> Multiplex. >> |> |> | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> |> |> | >> |> |> |<< page break >> >> |> |> | >> |> |> | TS Multiplex: In this document, ... >> |> |> | >> |> |> | >> |> |> | >> |> |> |Corrected Text >> |> |> |-------------- >> |> |> | TS: Transport Stream [ISO-MPEG2]. A method of >> |> |transmission at the >> |> |> | MPEG-2 layer using TS Packets; it represents Layer 2 of >> |> |the ISO/OSI >> |> |> | reference model. See also TS Logical Channel and TS | >> Multiplex. >> |> |> || >> |> |> || TS Logical Channel: ... << to be filled in >> >> |> |> || ... >> |> |> | >> |> |> | TS Multiplex: In this document, ... >> |> |> | >> |> |> | >> |> |> | >> |> |> | >> |> |> |Notes >> |> |> |----- >> |> |> |The quoted keyword explanation for "TS Logical Channel" |> | >> > |is missing in Section 2. >> |> |> | >> |> |> |Authors/Verifiers: >> |> |> | Please restore the entry and fill in the missing | >> Corrected Text. >> |> |> | >> |> |> |Instructions: >> |> |> |------------- >> |> |> |This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If >> |> |necessary, please use >> |> |> |"Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or | >> rejected. |> |> |When a decision is reached, the verifying party >> (IESG) |can log in |> |> |to change the status and edit the report, >> if necessary. >> |> |> | >> |> |> |-------------------------------------- >> |> |> |RFC5458 (draft-ietf-ipdvb-sec-req-09) >> |> |> |-------------------------------------- >> |> |> |Title : Security Requirements for the | >> Unidirectional >> |> |> |Lightweight Encapsulation (ULE) Protocol >> |> |> |Publication Date : March 2009 >> |> |> |Author(s) : H. Cruickshank, P. Pillai, M. | >> Noisternig, S. >> |> |> |Iyengar >> |> |> |Category : INFORMATIONAL >> |> |> |Source : IP over DVB >> |> |> |Area : Internet >> |> |> |Stream : IETF >> |> |> |Verifying Party : IESG >> |> |> | >> |> |> | >> |> |> |> |> |> | >> |> | >> |> | >> |> |> | >> | >> | > > > -- > Dr Gorry Fairhurst, School of Engineering, University of Aberdeen. > The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland, > No SC013683.