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hello,
I want to know how to store the flow rules.
I mean the format of storage and update and rule matching.
does ipfix have a specification for this aspect? where should i find it?

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C66E60.6ABA5530-- From debruyvarin@elk.uvm.edu Wed May 03 15:59:20 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbNVI-0003zz-FT for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 15:59:20 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbNVI-00086A-5e for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 15:59:20 -0400 Received: from 200-161-170-101.dsl.telesp.net.br ([200.161.170.101] helo=elk.uvm.edu) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with smtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FbN5L-0006VE-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Wed, 03 May 2006 14:32:32 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c66ee8$3ac73680$7146a8c0@btl94> Reply-To: "Varinia Debruyn" From: "Varinia Debruyn" To: ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: wajef news Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 12:31:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C66EAD.8E685E80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-RBL-Warning: (bl.spamcop.net) Blocked - see http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?200.161.170.101 X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 22bbb45ef41b733eb2d03ee71ece8243 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C66EAD.8E685E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable De b ar Home Ow p ne p r ,=20 =20 Your c i redi d t doesn't matter to us ! If you O n WN real e h st p at m e=20 and want I d MMED n IA q TE ca c sh to sp f en m d ANY way you like, or simply wish=20 to LO q WER your monthly pa b yment p s by a third or more, here are the dea s ls=20 we have T t OD f AY :=20 =20 $ 4 o 88 , 000 at a 3 h , 67% fi l xed - ra n te=20 $ 37 u 2 , 000 at a 3 , p 90% v h ariab w le - rat v e=20 $ 49 w 2 , 000 at a 3 , r 21% int q ere d st - only=20 $ 2 q 48 , 000 at a 3 , g 36% fi k xed - rat j e=20 $ 19 h 8 , 000 at a 3 , a 55% var f iable - rat t e=20 =20 Hurr w y, when these dea d Is are gone, they are gone ! =20 Don't worry about a o ppro u val, your c k redi o t will not di l squalif c y you !=20 =20 V o isi q t our p site =20 =20 Sincerely, Varinia Debruyn=20 =20 A t ppr n oval Manager ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C66EAD.8E685E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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=20 V o isi q t our p site
 
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A t ppr n oval Manager
------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C66EAD.8E685E80-- From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Wed May 03 16:16:04 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbNlU-0002PU-7O for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 16:16:04 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbNlT-0000cO-VV for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 16:16:04 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FbNMK-0000N0-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Wed, 03 May 2006 14:50:04 -0500 Received: from cypress.neustar.com ([209.173.57.84]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FbNMI-0000Mv-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Wed, 03 May 2006 14:50:02 -0500 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by cypress.neustar.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k43Jo10e013967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 3 May 2006 19:50:01 GMT Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1FbNMH-0000rH-Dy; Wed, 03 May 2006 15:50:01 -0400 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: [ipfix] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipfix-architecture-10.txt Message-Id: Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 15:50:01 -0400 Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 10ba05e7e8a9aa6adb025f426bef3a30 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Flow Information Export Working Group of the IETF. Title : Architecture for IP Flow Information Export Author(s) : G. Sadasivan, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ipfix-architecture-10.txt Pages : 31 Date : 2006-5-3 This memo defines the IP Flow Information eXport (IPFIX) architecture for the selective monitoring of IP flows, and for the export of measured IP flow information from an IPFIX device to a collector. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipfix-architecture-10.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2006-5-3143312.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipfix-architecture-10.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ipfix-architecture-10.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2006-5-3143312.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From abeitagilbert@wyan.org Thu May 04 04:35:00 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbZIa-0007NJ-7w for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:35:00 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbZIZ-0006Y9-UF for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 04:35:00 -0400 Received: from up.doit.wisc.edu ([144.92.9.73] helo=smtp.doit.wisc.edu) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FbZ8l-0007Wx-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 04 May 2006 03:24:51 -0500 Received: from wyan.org ([222.252.211.158]) by smtp.doit.wisc.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id k448OmOB009839 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 03:24:49 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c66f54$1b6ad500$64cda8c0@jts15> Reply-To: "Gilbert Abeita" From: "Gilbert Abeita" To: ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: petiy news Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 01:24:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C66F19.6F0E46F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 2.9 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 22bbb45ef41b733eb2d03ee71ece8243 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C66F19.6F0E46F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable D g ear Home Ow n ne s r ,=20 =20 Your cr i ed a it doesn't matter to us ! If you O m WN real e l st k at y e=20 and want IM a ME m DIA r TE ca j sh to sp v en x d ANY way you like, or simply wish=20 to L j OWER your monthly pa c ym q ents by a third or more, here are the deal u s=20 we have T g ODA l Y :=20 =20 $ 4 n 88 , 000 at a 3 , j 67% f x ixed - rat q e=20 $ 3 h 72 , 000 at a 3 z , 90% va v riab n le - ra r te=20 $ 49 u 2 , 000 at a 3 f , 21% in p teres y t - only=20 $ 2 k 48 , 000 at a 3 l , 36% f r ixed - ra z te=20 $ 19 i 8 , 000 at a 3 , 5 g 5% v f ariable - rat y e=20 =20 Hu d rry, when these de w aIs are gone, they are gone ! =20 Don't worry about ap o prov a al, your cr v edi r t will not di b squal l ify you !=20 =20 Vi m si w t our s l ite =20 =20 Sincerely, Gilbert Abeita=20 =20 A y pprova r l Manager ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C66F19.6F0E46F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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and want IM a ME m DIA r TE ca j sh to sp v en x d ANY=20 way you like, or simply wish
to L j OWER your monthly pa c ym q ents=20 by a third or more, here are the deal u s
we have T g ODA l Y :
 
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$ 3 h 72 , 000 at a 3 z , 90% va v riab n le - ra r te
$ 49 u 2 , 000 at a 3 f , 21% in p teres y t - only
$ 2 k 48 , 000 at a 3 l , 36% f r ixed - ra z te
$ 19 i 8 , 000 at a 3 , 5 g 5% v f ariable - rat y e
 
Hu d rry, when these de w aIs are gone, they are gone !
 
Don't worry about ap o prov a al, your cr v edi r t will=20 not di b squal l ify you !
 
=20 Vi m si w t our s l ite
 
Sincerely, Gilbert Abeita
 
A y pprova r l Manager
------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C66F19.6F0E46F0-- From Kevin@aon.at Thu May 04 13:38:06 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbhmA-0000TF-An for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 13:38:06 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fbhm9-0005pG-3j for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 13:38:06 -0400 Received: from up.doit.wisc.edu ([144.92.9.73] helo=smtp.doit.wisc.edu) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FbhND-0002jN-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:12:19 -0500 Received: from 12-215-136-249.client.mchsi.com (12-215-136-249.client.mchsi.com [12.215.136.249]) by smtp.doit.wisc.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id k44HCIor001692 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 12:12:19 -0500 Message-ID: <33AAD863.0770806@brars.org.uk> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:12:21 -0500 From: Larry User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu Subject: %_SUBJ_ASHM_NZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp.doit.wisc.edu id k44HCIor001692 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Vacancy description: Open position: Key Account Manager (part-time position: 10-12 hours per w= eek) Location: New Zealand Job Duties and Responsibilities: Key Account Manager must conduct financi= al operations in accordance with our company's rules, regulations and sal= es policy to provide best conditions to company=E2=80=99s clients. These = activities include, but are not limited to, simple financial operations a= nd actions which do not require any special education or experience. But = we require ability to: work with data, to use PC; interpersonal and peopl= e skills; multi-tasking ability, organizational skills. We provide salary plus benefits and travel packages discounts. Sent your messages of interest to job@bestworldcountries.com -- Regards, W&C Team job@bestworldcountries.com From cerri@ic-2000.com Thu May 04 13:40:31 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbhoV-0001kH-NI for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 13:40:31 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbhoT-00062Q-CO for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 13:40:31 -0400 Received: from host132-159.kmbs.com ([198.30.132.159] helo=ic-2000.com) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with smtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FbhRX-0002uy-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:16:48 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c66f9e$682b9380$77b1a8c0@oie20> Reply-To: "Cerridwyn Upchurch" From: "Cerridwyn Upchurch" To: ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: crreddit news Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:15:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C66F63.BBCCBB80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b360bd6cb019c35178e5cf9eeb747a5c This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C66F63.BBCCBB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Home O o wn e er, =20 Your c p re g di i t doesn't matter to us !=20 =20 If you O k WN c real e h st m at h e and want I b MME y DI d ATE c f as h h to s v pe l nd ANY way you like, or simply wish to L x OW j ER your monthly p h aym a ent g s by a third or more,=20 here are the d j ea y ls we have T z ODA v Y: =20 $ 49 a 0 , 000 - 3 , 6 u 5% f p ix p ed - r c at p e $ 3 j 70 , 000 - 3 , 9 o 0% v r ari f abl b e - r b at o e $ 4 i 90 , 000 - 3 , 2 b 0% in j tere k st - only $ 2 c 50 , 000 - 3 , 3 h 5% f w ix x ed - r x at m e $ 20 z 0 , 000 - 3 , 5 l 5% v v ari l abl w e - r p at s e =20 V c is e it ou b r s c it i e =20 =20 Cerridwyn Upchurch , Ap g pr m ov i al Manager ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C66F63.BBCCBB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Home O o wn e er,
 
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=20 by a third or more,
here are the d j ea y ls we have T z ODA v Y:
 
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$ 2 c 50 , 000 - 3 , 3 h 5% f w ix x ed - r l at b e
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Cerridwyn Upchurch , A y ppr l ova j l Manager
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helo=83.23.117.132) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with smtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FbiET-0005vW-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 04 May 2006 13:07:21 -0500 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 20:07:21 +0200 From: Charles User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Local Jobs in New Zealand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Vacancy description: Open position: Key Account Manager (part-time position: 10-12 hours per week) Location: New Zealand Job Duties and Responsibilities: Key Account Manager must conduct financial operations in accordance with our company's rules, regulations and sales policy to provide best conditions to company’s clients. These activities include, but are not limited to, simple financial operations and actions which do not require any special education or experience. But we require ability to: work with data, to use PC; interpersonal and people skills; multi-tasking ability, organizational skills. We provide salary plus benefits and travel packages discounts. Sent your messages of interest to job@bestworldcountries.com -- Regards, W&C Team job@bestworldcountries.com From yasua@hk-ulm.de Fri May 05 01:53:12 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbtFY-0003xT-EU for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 05 May 2006 01:53:12 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FbtFX-0002Ew-PQ for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 05 May 2006 01:53:12 -0400 Received: from [203.200.202.132] (helo=hk-ulm.de) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with smtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fbswk-0006U7-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 05 May 2006 00:33:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c67005$67138e00$6aa5a8c0@tue41> Reply-To: "Yasu Cava" From: "Yasu Cava" To: ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: CREdDIT news Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 22:33:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C66FCA.BAB4B600" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-RBL-Warning: (bl.spamcop.net) Blocked - see http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?203.200.202.132 X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 8068004c042dabd7f1301bcc80e039df This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C66FCA.BAB4B600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Home O f wne j r, =20 Your c x re u di v t doesn't matter to us !=20 =20 If you O w WN z real e z st m at j e and want I e MM z EDIA d TE c z as i h to s o pe q nd ANY way you like, or simply wish to L u OW s ER your monthly p v aym l ent v s by a third or more,=20 here are the d f eal q s we have T p OD y AY: =20 $ 49 d 0 , 000 as l w ow as 3 , 6 v 5% $ 3 c 70 , 000 as l e ow as 3 , 9 u 0% $ 49 l 0 , 000 as l l ow as 3 , 2 g 0% $ 25 r 0 , 000 as l x ow as 3 , 3 q 5% $ 20 n 0 , 000 as l i ow as 3 , 5 o 5% =20 V y isi e t ou w r s j it x e =20 =20 Yasu Cava , A v ppr w ov y al Manager ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C66FCA.BAB4B600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Home O f wne j r,
 
Your c x re u di v t doesn't matter to us !
 
If you O w WN z real e z st m at j e and want
I e MM z EDIA d TE c z as i h to s o pe q nd ANY=20 way you like,
or simply wish to L u OW s ER your monthly p v aym l ent v s
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here are the d f eal q s we have T p OD y AY:
 
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$ 20 n 0 , 000 as l i ow as 3 , 5 o 5%
 
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helo=chimet.com) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with smtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fc7Nb-0004Oh-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 05 May 2006 15:58:28 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c67086$97d8e360$760ea8c0@upt55> Reply-To: "Chelsey Dubin" From: "Chelsey Dubin" To: ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: good cxredit Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 13:57:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6704B.EB7A0B60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e8c5db863102a3ada84e0cd52a81a79e This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6704B.EB7A0B60 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C6704B.EB7A0B60" ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C6704B.EB7A0B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable our www site 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From that portion Bard will himself contribute to the aid of Esgaroth; but if Thorin would have the friendship and honour of the lands about, as his sires had of old, then he will give also somewhat of his own for the comfort of the men of the Lake. Then Thorin seized a bow of horn and shot an arrow at the speaker. It smote into his shield and stuck there quivering. =18Since such is your answer, he called in return, I declare the Mountain besieged. You shall not depart from it, until you call on your side for a truce and a parley. We will bear no weapons against you, but we leave you to your gold. You may eat that, if you will! With that the messengers departed swiftly, and the dwarves were left to consider their case. So grim had Thorin become, that even if they had wished, the others would not have dared to find fault with him; but indeed most of them seemed to share his mind-except perhaps old fat Bombur and Fili and Kili. 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portion of the treasure unto Bard, as the dragon-slayer, and as the = heir
of Girion. From that portion Bard will himself contribute to the aid = of
Esgaroth; but if Thorin would have the friendship and honour of the
lands about, as his sires had of old, then he will give also somewhat = of
his own for the comfort of the men of the Lake. Then Thorin seized a
bow of horn and shot an arrow at the speaker. It smote into his = shield
and stuck there quivering.
=80=98Since such is your answer, he called in return, I declare = the
Mountain besieged. You shall not depart from it, until you call on = your
side for a truce and a parley. We will bear no weapons against you, = but
we leave you to your gold. You may eat that, if you will!
With that the messengers departed swiftly, and the dwarves were = left
to consider their case. So grim had Thorin become, that even if they = had
wished, the others would not have dared to find fault with him; but
indeed most of them seemed to share his mind-except perhaps old fat
Bombur and Fili and Kili. Bilbo, of course, disapproved of the = whole
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wings that dwelt on the borders of the Desolation of the Dragon. = The air
was filled with circling flocks, and their swift-flying messengers = flew
here and there across the sky. Above the borders of the Forest there = was
whistling, crying and piping. Far over Mirkwood tidings spread: = Smaug
is dead! Leaves rustled and startled ears were lifted. Even before = the
Elvenking rode forth the news had passed west right to the pinewoods = of
the Misty Mountains; Beorn had heard it in his wooden house, and the
goblins were at council in their caves.
That will be the last we shall hear of Thorin Oakenshield, I = fear,
said the king. He would have done better to have remained my guest. = It
is an ill wind, all the same, he added, that blows no one any good.
For he too had not forgotten the legend of the wealth of Thror. So = it
was that Bards messengers found him now marching with many spearmen = and
bowmen; and crows were gathered thick, above him, for they thought = that
war was awakening again, such as had not been in those parts for a = long
age. But the king, when he received the prayers of Bard, had pity, = for
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Not much use, if we have been seen coming here, said Dori, who = was
always looking up towards the Mountains peak, as if he expected to = see
Smaug perched there like a bird on a steeple.
We must take our chance of that, said Thorin. We can go no = further
to-day.
Hear, hear! cried Bilbo, and flung himself on the ground.
In the rock-chamber there would have been room for a hundred, and
there was a small chamber further in, more removed from the cold
outside. It was quite deserted; not even wild animals seemed to have
used it in all the days of Smaugs dominion. There they laid their
burdens; and some threw themselves down at once and slept, but the
others sat near the outer door and discussed their plans.
In all their talk they came perpetually back to one thing: where = was
Smaug? They looked West and there was nothing, and East there was
nothing, and in the South there was no sign of the dragon, but there = was
a gathering of very many birds. At that they gazed and wondered; = but
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all laughing with his funny stories; nor did they have to wonder = long
where he had been or why he was so nice to them, for he told them
himself. He had been over the river and right back up into the
mountains-from which you can guess that he could travel quickly, in
bears shape at any rate. From the burnt wolf=80=93 glade he had soon = found
out that part of their story was true; but he had found more than = that:
he had caught a Warg and a goblin wandering in the woods. From these = he
had got news: the goblin patrols were still hunting with Wargs for = the
dwarves, and they were fiercely angry because of the death of the = Great
Goblin, and also because of the burning of the chief wolfs nose and = the
death from the wizards fire of many of his chief servants. So much = they
told him when he forced them, but he guessed there was more = wickedness
than this afoot, and that a great raid of the whole goblin army = with
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07:58:08 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fd4IF-0003Hf-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 06:52:51 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fd4IE-0003Ha-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 06:52:50 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.96] (dhcp.pacifictokyo.jp [219.101.140.1]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596251BAC9E; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:46:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 00:54:34 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: farzaneh fatemipoor , ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] flow rules Message-ID: <5EB55467EDCE002F20AD6858@753F3B888A9969457862729D> In-Reply-To: <20060503043724.76272.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060503043724.76272.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Hi Farzaneh, --On 02.05.2006 21:37 Uhr -0700 farzaneh fatemipoor wrote: > > hello, > I want to know how to store the flow rules. > I mean the format of storage and update and rule matching. > does ipfix have a specification for this aspect? where should i find it? We do not have an agreed storage format. However, discussion on this issue has started. You might want to have a look at draft-trammell-ipfix-file-00.txt. Still, there is no consensus yet on whether or not we need a standardized IPFIX storage format. Thanks, Juergen -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 08 07:58:10 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fd4NO-0007m1-HL for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 07:58:10 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fd4NN-0003Tg-Nb for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 07:58:10 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fd4IB-0003HR-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 06:52:47 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fd4I9-0003HM-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 06:52:45 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.96] (dhcp.pacifictokyo.jp [219.101.140.1]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A04E1BAC4D; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:46:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 00:31:13 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: Benoit Claise Cc: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" , "'Ipfix Wg' (E-mail) (E-mail)" , "Dan Romascanu (E-mail)" , "David Kessens (E-mail)" Subject: Re: [ipfix] AD review for: draft-ietf-ipfix-info-11.txt Message-ID: <6568A4DCD0BE1C9C5C1071AD@753F3B888A9969457862729D> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8353da2fde044920180672209f5bf8a0 Benoit, Thank you for solving these issues. Please find text suggestions inline. --On 27.04.2006 23:44 Uhr +0200 Benoit Claise wrote: > Hi Juergen, >> Hi Bert, >> >> Many thanks for the detailed comments. >> Please find replies inline. >> >> Dear all, >> >> Please check my replies and please speak up quickly >> if you have problems with what I suggested. >> >> Most issues should be closed by the replies. >> >> The following ones definitely need further work. >> I will address them in a follow-up message: >> >> - INFO-AD#1: Do reported statistics include or exclude the >> reporting IPFIX message? Affected IEs are >> # 40 exportedOctetTotalCount >> # 41 exportedMessageTotalCount >> # 42 exportedFlowTotalCount > All of the counters exclude the reporting IPFIX Message Suggestion: append to description of #40 exportedOctetTotalCount "The reported number excludes octets in the message that carries the counter value." append to description of #41 exportedMessageTotalCount "The reported number excludes the message that carries the counter value." append to description of #40 exportedFlowTotalCount "The reported number excludes flow records in the message that carries the counter value." >> >> - INFO-AD#2: Does IE #42 exportedFlowTotalCount >> report the number of flows or the number of flow records? >> >> - INFO-AD#3: Is it OK to change dataty of IEs >> # 16 bgpSourceAsNumber >> # 17 bgpDestinationAsNumber >> from unsiogned16 to unsigned32? > RFC 3954 specifies already 32 bits > > Source BGP autonomous > SRC_AS 16 N system number where N could > be 2 or 4. By default N is > 2 > > Destination BGP autonomous > DST_AS 17 N system number where N could > be 2 or 4. By default N is > 2 > > Anyway, we've got the reduced size encoding, so unsigned32 makes sense. Good. >> >> - INFO-AD#4: How to add new label types to the definition of >> IE #46 mplsTopLabelType? > The references from RFC 3954 have been assigned by the NetFlow development team > > MPLS_TOP_LABEL_TYPE 46 1 MPLS Top Label Type: > 0x00 UNKNOWN > 0x01 TE-MIDPT > 0x02 ATOM > 0x03 VPN > 0x04 BGP > 0x05 LDP > > I could not find any IANA registry for that. > So I guess we have only one choice, i.e. assign a new registry for it in IANA. Would this be worth the effort? Thanks, Juergen > Regards, Benoit. >> >> - INFO-AD#5: Explain in the capabilities and limitations of the >> different dateTimeXX data types. >> >> - INFO-AD#6: >> Review last paragraph of section 7. >> >> - INFO-AD#7: >> Elaborate security considerations >> >> Thanks, >> >> Juergen >> >> >>> - sect 5.5.x >>> Would it be useful to add a line of text to explain how long >>> (how many minutes, months, years) each granularity allows >>> based on the underlying datatype? >> >> I will work on a text suggestion. >> >> >> --On 17.03.2006 17:42 Uhr +0100 Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote: >> >>> Sorry that it took so long (if I say it 4 times, i.e. >>> for each doc I have reviewed, will you please forgive me). >>> >>> Seems that a new rev might be in order ?? >>> >>> Bert >>> >>> - bottom of page 8. enterpriseId - >>> it speaks about "Information Element Identifier described above" >>> I do not see where "above" it is described. In fact, I think the >>> Identifier is described in sect 4, no? >> >> Oooops, the Element Id is a mandatory element and not listed above. >> This was a problem of the code generating this section from the schema. >> Now, the list of mandatory IE properties contains in addition between >> 'name' and 'description' the following property: >> >> "elementId - A numeric identifier of the Information Element. If this >> identifier is used without an enterprise identifier (see below), >> then it is globally unique and the list of allowed values is >> administered by IANA. It is used for compact identification of an >> Information Element when encoding templates in the protocol." >> >>> - In the 3 paragraphs of sect 3 and 3.1, I would insert the word >>> "abstract" >>> in from of each occurrence of "data type(s)". >>> Also the title of sect 3.1 probably reads better as "Abstract Data >>> Types". >> >> done. >> >>> - sect 3.1.9 >>> "it is expected that strings will be encoded in UTF-8" >>> That does not make it interoperable, does it? >>> Would it not be better to say "strings MUST be encoded..." >>> And I would add a citation and reference to RFC3629. >> >> done. >> added RFC3629 as normative reference. >> >>> - sect 3.2 >>> s/future protocol extensions/future information model extensions/ ?? >> >> fixed, and also in section 3.1. >> >>> - page 16 >>> What are ID 211 and 212 ?? blank ?? reserved?? something else? >>> I see the explanation on page 17. I'd suggest to make them RESERVED >>> or OBSOLLETE or DEPRECATEd or give them some name with the note >>> that they are not part of the standard. >> >> I used RESERVED. Maybe we can solve the issues of these two elements >> before submitting the next version. >> >>> - section 5 1st sentence >>> s/Flow attributes/Information Elements/ ?? >> >> fixed. >> >>> - sections 5.1.3, 5.1.4., 5.1.5 and 5.1.6 >>> I worry about referential integrety when the ifIndex gets stored >>> in offline/archive storage. On a reboot, many devices renumber the >>> ifIndex for various interfaces. >>> Is this not a problem? I'd think it is at least something to >>> mention/discuss/warn for. >> >> added >> >> "Please note that ifIndex >> values are not assigned statically to an interface. >> Interfaces may be renumbered every time the device is >> rebooted." >> >> to the description of 5.1.3 and 5.1.4. >> >> added >> >> "Please note that >> process identifiers are typically assigned dynamically. >> After a reboot, a system failure, a crash of the Metering >> Process, etc. the Metering Process may be re-started >> with a different ID. >> >> to the description of 5.1.5 and 5.1.6. For 5.1.6 "Metering" >> was replaced with "Exporting". >> >>> - sect 5.2.3 >>> Is the message that contains this Information Element included in the >>> count?? May want to make that clear for better interoperability. >>> Same for some of the other exportXXXCounters >> >> INFO-AD#1: >> These IEs are specified to be compatible with NetFlow v9. >> I'm checking with my co-authors from Cisco which alternative >> was chosen for NF v9. >> >> When I have this information, I will remove the ambiguity >> from the descriptions of IEs >> # 40 exportedOctetTotalCount >> # 41 exportedMessageTotalCount >> # 42 exportedFlowTotalCount >> >>> - sect 5.2.5 >>> Text says: number of flow records >>> But in Units it says: flows >>> So what is it? >>> Same for sect 5.2.9 >> >> INFO-AD#2: >> This is another NF v9 compatible IE. As above, I will check >> and make sure that description and units are consistent. >> >>> - sect 5.2.8 >>> Does the count include header octets? >> >> added clarification: >> >> OLD >> Description: >> The total number of octets in observed IP packets that the >> Metering Process did not process since the (re-)initialization of >> the Metering Process. >> NEW >> Description: >> The total number of octets in observed IP packets (including the >> IP header) that the Metering Process did not process since the >> (re-)initialization of the Metering Process. >> >>> - sect 5.2.12 >>> It is not clear/sopecific as to which bit is bit zero, bit one etc. >> >> I am not sure what is the problem here, but I tried to clarify >> the description: >> >> OLD >> Description: >> This set of bit fields is used for marking the Information >> Elements of a Data Record that serve as Flow Key. Each bit >> represents an Information Element in the Data Record with the n-th >> bit representing the n-th Information Element. A set bit with >> value 1 indicates that the corresponding Information element is a >> Flow Key of the reported Flow. A value of 0 indicates that this >> is not the case. ... >> NEW >> Description: >> This set of bit fields is used for marking the Information >> Elements of a Data Record that serve as Flow Key. Each bit >> represents an Information Element in the Data Record with the n-th >> bit representing the n-th Information Element. A bit set to value >> 1 indicates that the corresponding Information element is a Flow >> Key of the reported Flow. A bit set to value 0 indicates that >> this is not the case. >> >>> - Sect 5.2.3 and 5.2.5 >>> Is it best to speak about Mask? >>> Or would speaking of (and naming it) PrefixLength be better? >> >> renamed sourceIPv4Mask to sourceIPv4PrefixLength >> and sourceIPv6Mask to sourceIPv6PrefixLength >> >>> - Sect 5.6.3 >>> I worry about the fact that there is discussion already about AS >>> numbers >>> of 32-bit length. So are we future proof here? >>> In the MIB/SMI world we have made it a 32bit unsigned, see >>> InetAutonomousSystemNumber in RFC4001. >> >> INFO-AD#3: >> change data type of >> # 16 bgpSourceAsNumber >> # 17 bgpDestinationAsNumber >> # 128 bgpNextAdjacentAsNumber >> # 129 bgpPrevAdjacentAsNumber >> from unsigned16 to unsigned32. >> >>> - sect 5.6.9 >>> How are new values of Labeltypes be added in the future? >>> last line in this section, remove "and IP addresses" ?? >> >> INFO-AD#4: >> I have no good answer on this comment. Does anyone else have? >> >>> - sect 5.8 >>> Just for my understanding, why do you need all 4 levels >>> of granularity here (i.e. sec, milisec, microsec and nanosec)?? >> >> For efficient reporting from probes with different precisions and for >> applications with different precision requirements. >> >>> - sect 5.5.x >>> Would it be useful to add a line of text to explain how long >>> (how many minutes, months, years) each granularity allows >>> based on the underlying datatype? >> >> INFO-AD#5: >> I will work on a text suggestion. We avoid duplication if we put >> this text to the data type descriptions in section 3.1. >> >>> - sect 5.9.11 to 5.9.14 >>> I wondered if it makes sense to say some thing more about >>> "packet treatment". Like what sort of treatment? Any >>> reference to an RFC? >> >> We discussed this issue several times in the past, but did not >> find a good solution for it. >> >>> - sect 5.10.2 speaks about flowInactiveTimeout while sect 5.10.3 >>> speaks about idle timeout. Should you have flowIdleTimeout >>> instead of flowInactievTimeout for consistency? >> >> renamed flowInactiveTimeout to flowIdleTimeout. >> >>> - sect 5.10.11 >>> Make it clear that the value is hex 00 (0 could be read >>> as decimal zero) >> >> OLD >> 5.11.1. paddingOctets >> >> Description: >> The value of this Information Element is always 0. >> NEW >> 5.11.1. paddingOctets >> >> Description: >> The value of this Information Element is always a sequence of 0x00 >> values. >> >>> - sect 6, page 69 >>> I think I would make it MUST instead of SHOULD in 2nd >>> and 3rd para. >> >> These paragraphs are >> >> "Names of new Information Elements SHOULD be chosen according to the >> naming conventions given in section 2.3. >> >> For extensions, the type space defined in section 3 can be used. If >> required, new data types can be added. New data types SHOULD be >> defined in IETF standards track documents." >> >> For IE naming I think that a SHOULD is OK, because fully consistent IE >> naming appears to be very difficult. There might be situations where >> deviations from a fixed scheme improve the readability and intuitive >> understanding of IE semantics. For example we inconsistently use "IPv4" >> instead of "IpV4" in IE names, because several people did not like >> "IpV4". >> >> For new data types I agree. Changed SHOULD to MUST. >> >>> - sect 7 >>> first para, pls add a ptr to the list of Information >>> Element Identifiers that need to be recorded as the >>> initially assigned values for this registry. >>> I guess you need to point them to sect 4. >>> I doubt it is clear to IANA though what exactly to record >>> from that section. You can check directly with iana to >>> ask if things are clear or not and if not to work out >>> text with them that they understand. >> >> I tried to address this comment: >> OLD >> 7. IANA Considerations >> >> This documents defines an initial set of IPFIX Information Elements. >> For extending them in the future, IANA needs to create a new registry >> for IPFIX Information Element identifiers. >> >> New assignments for IPFIX Information Elements will be administered >> by IANA, on a First Come First Served basis [RFC2434], subject to >> Expert Review [RFC2434], i.e. review by one of a group of experts >> designated by an IETF Operations and Management Area Director. The >> group of experts must double check the Information Elements >> definitions with already defined Information Elements for >> completeness, accuracy, redundancy, and correct naming following the >> naming conventions in section 2.3. Those experts will initially be >> drawn from the Working Group Chairs and document editors of the IPFIX >> and PSAMP Working Groups. >> >> Appendix B defines an XML schema which may be used to create >> consistent machine readable extensions to the IPFIX information >> model. This schema introduces a new namespace, which will be >> assigned by IANA according to RFC 3688. Currently the name space for >> this schema is identified as http://www.ietf.org/ipfix. >> NEW >> 7. IANA Considerations >> >> This document specifies an initial set of IPFIX Information Elements. >> The list of these Information Elements with their identifiers is >> given in section 4. IANA needs to create a new registry for IPFIX >> Information Element identifiers and fill it with the initial list in >> section 4. >> >> New assignments for IPFIX Information Elements will be administered >> by IANA, on a First Come First Served basis [RFC2434], subject to >> Expert Review [RFC2434], i.e. review by one of a group of experts >> designated by an IETF Operations and Management Area Director. The >> group of experts must double check the Information Elements >> definitions with already defined Information Elements for >> completeness, accuracy, redundancy, and correct naming following the >> naming conventions in section 2.3. The specification of new IPFIX >> Information Elements MUST use the template specified in section 2.1 >> and MUST be published using a well established and persistent >> publication medium. The experts will initially be drawn from the >> Working Group Chairs and document editors of the IPFIX and PSAMP >> Working Groups. >> >> Appendix B defines an XML schema which may be used to create >> consistent machine readable extensions to the IPFIX information >> >>> I wonder if it would not be much better to have new >>> Information Elements require a Standards Track action. >>> I think that ensure much better review and evaluation >>> and certainly ensure well-documented registrations. >> >> We discussed the issue several times and concluded that this >> procedure would be too time consuming and too slow. >> >>> In any event, if you do do FCFS with expert review, >>> then I would >>> - require proper documentation to be publicly available >>> - maybe setup some sort of template that MUST be filled >>> out and approved to request registration. >> >> I added these two requirements to the new version of section 7 >> that you find above. >> >>> You speak about an Appendix B as having a schema/example >>> on how to extend. It is however (I think) the Schema >>> for the currently assigned values. >> >> INFO-AD#6: >> Yes, but it should also be used for extensions. However, I >> still need to investigate the XML schema issues that you posted >> in a different email. I will come back to this issue, when >> the XML schema issue is closed. >> >>> - Sect 8. >>> I am pretty sure that the Security ADs will want to see >>> more detail here. They probably want to understand which >>> Information Elements contain sensitive data (and why it >>> is sensitive) or privacy sensitive data (and why so). >>> Probably similar to why they want to see that a MIB >>> document lists the objects that are sensitive and >>> why so and what the risks are if the data gets >>> intercepted. >> >> INFO-AD#7: >> Let's come back to this after the security AD review. >> >>> - Appendix A and B >>> I am a bit confused when I read as title >>> "Formal Specification..." and then in the first para >>> I read that it is informational and not normative. >>> >>> If it is a "formal machine readable spec.." is it then not >>> intended as input to tools, code-generators, data-structure >>> generators and such? In that case I would be very worried >>> if no this schema but the text earlier in the document >>> is normative and authoritative. >> >> It is not a formal specification. But it is machine readable >> and intended as input to tools. In one of the many passed >> IPFIX sessions and on the mailing list we discussed the issue >> and concluded that the text in section 5, which is generated >> from the appendix with a tool would be normative, because this >> is human readable. >> >>> Anyway, I asked an APPS AD if he could check the "formal" >>> machine readable schema, but he does not recognize it as >>> a schema that can be checked by any of his tools. So >>> what is it? How can we (or anyone) check it for correctness? >> >> We got this review in a separate email. >> Issues raised will be addressed in a reply to it. >> >>> administrative/bureaucracy/nits/spelling: >>> >>> - sect 5.10.4 >>> >>> "bewtween in time" in first sentence ?? >> >> fixed. >> >>> same in sect 5.10.5 >> >> fixed. >> >>> - 3rd para in sect 1. I suspect that the ptrs to the various sections >>> do not completely match with the actual content claimed to be >>> in those sections. Specifically, the ptrs to 4 and 5 should probably >>> be 5 and 6 ?? >> >> fixed. >> >>> - I see that you use MUST (i.e. rfc2119 type) language and >>> so there MUST be a normative citation/reference to RFC2119. >> >> added. >> >>> - problems with references/citations. >>> Note that my tool may give false warnings, so just check >>> them. >> >> In most of the cases below we cited "see RFC XXXX" in the >> reference section. I replaced all these references with >> "see RFC XXXX [RFCXXXX]". >> >>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>> P071 L006: [IEEE.802-11.1999] >>> >>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>> P071 L015: [IEEE.802-3.2002] >>> >>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>> P071 L023: [IEEE.P802-1Q.2003] >>> >>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>> P072 L026: [RFC2460] Deering, S. and R. Hinden, "Internet >>> Protocol, Version 6 >>> >>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>> P072 L029: [RFC2463] Conta, A. and S. Deering, "Internet >>> Control Message >>> >>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>> P072 L033: [RFC2547] Rosen, E. and Y. Rekhter, "BGP/MPLS VPNs", >>> RFC 2547, >>> >>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>> P072 L036: [RFC2629] Rose, M., "Writing I-Ds and RFCs using >>> XML", RFC 2629, >>> >>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>> P072 L039: [RFC2863] McCloghrie, K. and F. Kastenholz, "The >>> Interfaces Group >>> >>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>> P072 L042: [RFC2960] Stewart, R., Xie, Q., Morneault, K., >>> Sharp, C., >>> >>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>> P072 L047: [RFC3031] Rosen, E., Viswanathan, A., and R. Callon, >>> "Multiprotocol >>> >>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>> P072 L050: [RFC3032] Rosen, E., Tappan, D., Fedorkow, G., >>> Rekhter, Y., >>> >>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>> P073 L006: [RFC3036] Andersson, L., Doolan, P., Feldman, N., >>> Fredette, A., and >>> >>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>> P073 L012: [RFC3260] Grossman, D., "New Terminology and >>> Clarifications for >> >> The three references below are not cited. removed them. >> >>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>> P073 L015: [RFC3667] Bradner, S., "IETF Rights in >>> Contributions", RFC 3667, >>> >>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>> P073 L018: [RFC3668] Bradner, S., "Intellectual Property Rights >>> in IETF >>> >>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>> P073 L021: [RFC3917] Quittek, J., Zseby, T., Claise, B., and S. >>> Zander, >>> >>> -- >>> Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in >>> message body >>> Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say >>> "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body >>> Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in >> message body >> Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say >> "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body >> Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ > > -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 08 07:58:33 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fd4Nk-0007mJ-W5 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 07:58:32 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fd4Nk-0003VH-Oj for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 07:58:32 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fd4ID-0003HY-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 06:52:49 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fd4IC-0003HT-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 06:52:48 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.96] (dhcp.pacifictokyo.jp [219.101.140.1]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F391BAC99; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:46:04 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 00:37:03 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: Benoit Claise Cc: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" , "'Ipfix Wg' (E-mail) (E-mail)" , "Dan Romascanu (E-mail)" , "David Kessens (E-mail)" Subject: Re: [ipfix] AD review for: draft-ietf-ipfix-info-11.txt -> INFO-AD2 Message-ID: <1BBC6807F56F216356D18756@753F3B888A9969457862729D> In-Reply-To: <44513DFF.2070606@cisco.com> References: <44513DFF.2070606@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Benoit, --On 27.04.2006 23:56 Uhr +0200 Benoit Claise wrote: > > Juergen, > >> >> - INFO-AD#2: Does IE #42 exportedFlowTotalCount >> report the number of flows or the number of flow records? > = the number of flow records that have been exported. > Example: for a long lived flow (longer than the active timeout value), we have multiple flow records I suggest keeping the description as it is. It is already correct: "Description: The total number of Flow Records that the Exporting Process successfully sent as Data Records since the Exporting Process (re-)initialization to the Collecting Process receiving a report that contains this Information Element. The reported number excludes flow records in the message that carries the counter value." But we should change the IE name to exportedFlowRecordTotalCount. Thanks, Juergen -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 08 07:58:52 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fd4O4-0007mW-Gk for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 07:58:52 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fd4O4-0003Vc-81 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 07:58:52 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fd4II-0003Hm-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 06:52:54 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fd4IH-0003Hh-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 06:52:53 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.96] (dhcp.pacifictokyo.jp [219.101.140.1]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 880371BAC4D; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:46:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 03:07:08 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: Benoit Claise , Lutz Mark , Paul Aitken Cc: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] new element: fragmentOffsetIPv6 ? Message-ID: <0733537CBEBCC541E3048E8C@753F3B888A9969457862729D> In-Reply-To: <4448D947.4050903@cisco.com> References: <444655E2.5030305@cisco.com> <444771D8.8010905@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4448D947.4050903@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7fa173a723009a6ca8ce575a65a5d813 Dear all, It's OK, if you want to have this new IE. Please help me to specify it correctly. RFC 2460 defines for the IPv6 fragment extension header: +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Next Header | Reserved | Fragment Offset |Res|M| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Identification | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Fragment Offset 13-bit unsigned integer. The offset, in 8-octet units, of the data following this header, relative to the start of the Fragmentable Part of the original packet. Res 2-bit reserved field. Initialized to zero for transmission; ignored on reception. M flag 1 = more fragments; 0 = last fragment. If we define a fragment offset IE for IPv6, we probably should also define the a fragment flag IE for IPv6. Below is a suggestion for their definitions. Comments are welcome. 5.3.29. fragmentOffsetIPv6 Description: The value of the IPv6 fragment offset field in the IPv6 fragment extension header. Abstract Data Type: unsigned16 Data Type Semantics: identifier ElementId: 211 Status: current Reference: See RFC 2460 [RFC2460] for the specification of the fragment offset in the IPv6 fragment extension header. 5.3.30. fragmentFlagIPv6 Description: The value of the M flag in the IPv6 fragment extension header. Bit 0: M flag. Bits 1-7: (DC) Don't Care, value is irrelevant. 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ | | D | D | D | D | D | D | D | | M | C | C | C | C | C | C | C | +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ Abstract Data Type: octet Data Type Semantics: flags ElementId: 212 Status: current Reference: See RFC 2460 [RFC2460] for the specification of the M flag in the IPv6 fragment extension header. Thanks, Juergen --On 21.04.2006 15:08 Uhr +0200 Benoit Claise wrote: > > Lutz, Paul, >> >>> We have #88 = fragmentOffsetIPv4 - but no equivalent for IPv6 >>> fragment offset? >>> >>> See section 4.5 of RFC 2460. >>> >>> I suggest we allocate #211 for this. > Since this is a gap in the I.E. list, this makes sense! >>> >>> >>> BTW, there are also no elements to report Hop-by-Hop Options (section >>> 4.3) or Destination Options (section 4.6). >>> >> >> for IPv4 this elem is part of the IPv4 header while >> in IPv6 there is a special extension header for >> the fragment data. So maybe this should be made >> clear by the IE name. >> >> eg. IPv6ExtHdrFragmentOffset > Agreed. > > Regards, Benoit. >> >> >> -- >> Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in >> message body >> Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say >> "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body >> Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ > > > -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From gauhar@pyramidmg.com Mon May 08 08:04:22 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fd4TO-0001Wg-U2 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 08:04:22 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fd4TN-0003n3-JY for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 08:04:22 -0400 Received: from cm61-15-26-75.hkcable.com.hk ([61.15.26.75] helo=pyramidmg.com) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with smtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fd4O8-0003Pa-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 06:58:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c67296$c18e57f0$bb07a8c0@izs20> Reply-To: "Gauhar Vanegas" From: "Gauhar Vanegas" To: ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: your crdit Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 04:58:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6725C.152F7FF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-RBL-Warning: (bl.spamcop.net) Blocked - see http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?61.15.26.75 X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 4bb0e9e1ca9d18125bc841b2d8d77e24 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6725C.152F7FF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable D o ea o r H e om w e O t wn u er, Your c n re i di e t doesn't matter to us! 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6725C.152F7FF0-- From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 08 08:40:55 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fd52l-0003n1-Sx for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 08:40:55 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fd52k-0006Dk-I9 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 08:40:55 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fd4rF-0006VW-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 07:29:01 -0500 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fd4rE-0006V2-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 07:29:00 -0500 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.150]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 May 2006 14:28:59 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k48CSwUE006330; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:28:58 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [10.61.80.95] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4192.cisco.com [10.61.80.95]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00653; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:28:56 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <445F3986.6010708@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 13:28:54 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050811 Fedora/1.7.10-1.2.1.legacy X-Accept-Language: en-gb, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek CC: Benoit Claise , Lutz Mark , ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] new element: fragmentOffsetIPv6 ? References: <444655E2.5030305@cisco.com> <444771D8.8010905@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4448D947.4050903@cisco.com> <0733537CBEBCC541E3048E8C@753F3B888A9969457862729D> In-Reply-To: <0733537CBEBCC541E3048E8C@753F3B888A9969457862729D> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ff03b0075c3fc728d7d60a15b4ee1ad2 Juergen, > It's OK, if you want to have this new IE. Fragment offset is AF agnostic, so why create a new IE? Why not fix #88 fragmentOffsetIPv4 to just be "fragmentOffset" ? The cisco definition of this field is "The fragment-offset value from fragmented IP packets", so our intention was clearly for AF independence. > Please help me to specify it correctly. > > RFC 2460 defines for the IPv6 fragment extension header: > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Next Header | Reserved | Fragment Offset |Res|M| > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Identification | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Fragment Offset 13-bit unsigned integer. The offset, in 8-octet > units, of the data following this header, > relative to the start of the Fragmentable Part > of the original packet. > > Res 2-bit reserved field. Initialized to zero for > transmission; ignored on reception. > > M flag 1 = more fragments; 0 = last fragment. Do you propose to include the Res and M flags in the FO IE definition? If so, that makes it incompatible with the IPv4 FO in two ways: 1. The IPv4 flags (R, DF, MF) come immediately before the FO, not after 2. The IPv4 FO IE doesn't contain any flags. So let's not do that. Let's have #88 as a generic FO value, where the first three bits are reserved and must be zero: +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Res | Fragment Offset | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > If we define a fragment offset IE for IPv6, > we probably should also define the a fragment flag IE for IPv6. > Below is a suggestion for their definitions. Comments are welcome. > > 5.3.29. fragmentOffsetIPv6 > > Description: > The value of the IPv6 fragment offset field in the IPv6 fragment > extension header. > Abstract Data Type: unsigned16 > Data Type Semantics: identifier > ElementId: 211 > Status: current > Reference: > See RFC 2460 [RFC2460] for the specification of the fragment > offset in the IPv6 fragment extension header. I propose to combine it with #88. > 5.3.30. fragmentFlagIPv6 > > Description: > The value of the M flag in the IPv6 fragment extension header. > > Bit 0: M flag. > Bits 1-7: (DC) Don't Care, value is irrelevant. > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ > | | D | D | D | D | D | D | D | > | M | C | C | C | C | C | C | C | > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ > > Abstract Data Type: octet > Data Type Semantics: flags > ElementId: 212 > Status: current > Reference: > See RFC 2460 [RFC2460] for the specification of the M flag in the > IPv6 fragment extension header. It might be easier to encode this as 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ | | | | | | | | M | +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ For two reasons: 1. No need to shift the M bit around. Just mask it from the packet contents. 2. In future the two Res bits can easily be fitted in positions 5+6 if their use is defined. So I would prefer to call it fragmentFlagsIPv6 (ie, plural, akin to fragmentFlagsIPv4), and specify it as: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ | | | | | | 0 | 0 | M | +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ BTW, I would prefer to specify that zero be used instead of DC to prevent a potential covert channel. Cheers. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 08 10:28:24 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fd6im-0002zb-2K for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 10:28:24 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fd6ik-0003fj-Mo for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 10:28:24 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fd6Rm-0006qi-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 09:10:50 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fd6Rl-0006qd-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 09:10:49 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.96] (dhcp.pacifictokyo.jp [219.101.140.1]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 593D01BAC4D; Mon, 8 May 2006 16:04:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 16:09:29 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: Paul Aitken Cc: Benoit Claise , Lutz Mark , ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] new element: fragmentOffsetIPv6 ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <445F3986.6010708@cisco.com> References: <444655E2.5030305@cisco.com> <444771D8.8010905@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4448D947.4050903@cisco.com> <0733537CBEBCC541E3048E8C@753F3B888A9969457862729D> <445F3986.6010708@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 963faf56c3a5b6715f0b71b66181e01a Hi Paul, --On 08.05.2006 13:28 Uhr +0100 Paul Aitken wrote: > Juergen, > >> It's OK, if you want to have this new IE. > > Fragment offset is AF agnostic, so why create a new IE? > Why not fix #88 fragmentOffsetIPv4 to just be "fragmentOffset" ? Well that would also be fine with me. I'm just a bit surprised, because it was you who suggested a new IE #211 for reporting the IPv6 fragment offset: > IPFIXers, > > We have #88 = fragmentOffsetIPv4 - but no equivalent for IPv6 fragment offset? > > See section 4.5 of RFC 2460. > > I suggest we allocate #211 for this. Does this means that you withdraw your original proposal? > The cisco definition of this field is "The fragment-offset value from > fragmented IP packets", so our intention was clearly for AF independence. > >> Please help me to specify it correctly. >> >> RFC 2460 defines for the IPv6 fragment extension header: >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> | Next Header | Reserved | Fragment Offset |Res|M| >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> | Identification | >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> >> Fragment Offset 13-bit unsigned integer. The offset, in 8-octet >> units, of the data following this header, >> relative to the start of the Fragmentable Part >> of the original packet. >> >> Res 2-bit reserved field. Initialized to zero for >> transmission; ignored on reception. >> >> M flag 1 = more fragments; 0 = last fragment. > > Do you propose to include the Res and M flags in the FO IE definition? > If so, that makes it incompatible with the IPv4 FO in two ways: Certainly not. I just put the IPv6 fragment header specification here in order to show what we are talking about. > 1. The IPv4 flags (R, DF, MF) come immediately before the FO, not after > > 2. The IPv4 FO IE doesn't contain any flags. > > So let's not do that. Let's have #88 as a generic FO value, where the first three bits are reserved and must be zero: > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Res | Fragment Offset | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ That's also fine with me. I will suggest a new description and reference section for this IE. But then there is still the issue with the fragment flags. For IPv4 we have them in IE #197. We do have the following: 5.3.28. fragmentFlagsIPv4 Description: The value of the fragmentation bits in the IPv4 packet header. Bit 0: reserved, must be zero. Bit 1: (DF) 0 = May Fragment, 1 = Don't Fragment. Bit 2: (MF) 0 = Last Fragment, 1 = More Fragments. Bits 3-7: (DC) Don't Care, value is irrelevant. 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ | | D | M | D | D | D | D | D | | 0 | F | F | C | C | C | C | C | +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ Abstract Data Type: octet Data Type Semantics: flags ElementId: 197 Shall we extend this also to IPv6. This would be simple: In the IPv6 fragment header there is no equivalent to the DF flag. So this bit would always be 0. But there is an equivalent to the MF flag that is called M flag. Thus, we can report the M flag as value of Bit 2. Any problems with this solution? >> If we define a fragment offset IE for IPv6, >> we probably should also define the a fragment flag IE for IPv6. >> Below is a suggestion for their definitions. Comments are welcome. >> >> 5.3.29. fragmentOffsetIPv6 >> >> Description: >> The value of the IPv6 fragment offset field in the IPv6 fragment >> extension header. >> Abstract Data Type: unsigned16 >> Data Type Semantics: identifier >> ElementId: 211 >> Status: current >> Reference: >> See RFC 2460 [RFC2460] for the specification of the fragment >> offset in the IPv6 fragment extension header. > > I propose to combine it with #88. > > >> 5.3.30. fragmentFlagIPv6 >> >> Description: >> The value of the M flag in the IPv6 fragment extension header. >> >> Bit 0: M flag. >> Bits 1-7: (DC) Don't Care, value is irrelevant. >> >> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 >> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >> | | D | D | D | D | D | D | D | >> | M | C | C | C | C | C | C | C | >> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >> >> Abstract Data Type: octet >> Data Type Semantics: flags >> ElementId: 212 >> Status: current >> Reference: >> See RFC 2460 [RFC2460] for the specification of the M flag in the >> IPv6 fragment extension header. > > It might be easier to encode this as > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ > | | | | | | | | M | > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ > > For two reasons: > > 1. No need to shift the M bit around. Just mask it from the packet contents. > > 2. In future the two Res bits can easily be fitted in positions 5+6 if their use is defined. > > So I would prefer to call it fragmentFlagsIPv6 (ie, plural, akin to fragmentFlagsIPv4), and specify it as: > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ > | | | | | | 0 | 0 | M | > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ > > > BTW, I would prefer to specify that zero be used instead of DC to prevent a potential covert channel. If we go for joint offset reporting, I would apply the same idea here and use IE #197 for IPv4 and IPv6 as suggested above. Thanks, Juergen > Cheers. > -- > Paul Aitken > Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. > -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 08 10:44:37 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fd6yT-0001ni-Lo for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 10:44:37 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fd6yS-0004Ti-8q for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 10:44:37 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fd6iz-0000RK-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 09:28:37 -0500 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fd6iy-0000RE-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 09:28:36 -0500 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.150]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 May 2006 16:28:35 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k48ESXUE014203; Mon, 8 May 2006 16:28:33 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [10.61.80.95] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4192.cisco.com [10.61.80.95]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA14058; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:28:30 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <445F558E.5060906@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 15:28:30 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050811 Fedora/1.7.10-1.2.1.legacy X-Accept-Language: en-gb, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek CC: Benoit Claise , Lutz Mark , ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] new element: fragmentOffsetIPv6 ? References: <444655E2.5030305@cisco.com> <444771D8.8010905@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4448D947.4050903@cisco.com> <0733537CBEBCC541E3048E8C@753F3B888A9969457862729D> <445F3986.6010708@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 140baa79ca42e6b0e2b4504291346186 Juergen, >> Fragment offset is AF agnostic, so why create a new IE? >> Why not fix #88 fragmentOffsetIPv4 to just be "fragmentOffset" ? > > Well that would also be fine with me. > > I'm just a bit surprised, because it was you who suggested a new IE #211 > for reporting the IPv6 fragment offset: > >> IPFIXers, >> >> We have #88 = fragmentOffsetIPv4 - but no equivalent for IPv6 fragment >> offset? >> >> See section 4.5 of RFC 2460. >> >> I suggest we allocate #211 for this. > > > Does this means that you withdraw your original proposal? Later I sent another message where I proposed combining the two, because I realised that there's no need for AF-dependant versions. Perhaps you didn't receive that message? >> The cisco definition of this field is "The fragment-offset value from >> fragmented IP packets", so our intention was clearly for AF independence. >> >>> Please help me to specify it correctly. >>> >>> RFC 2460 defines for the IPv6 fragment extension header: >>> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>> | Next Header | Reserved | Fragment Offset |Res|M| >>> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>> | Identification | >>> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>> >>> Fragment Offset 13-bit unsigned integer. The offset, in 8-octet >>> units, of the data following this header, >>> relative to the start of the Fragmentable Part >>> of the original packet. >>> >>> Res 2-bit reserved field. Initialized to zero for >>> transmission; ignored on reception. >>> >>> M flag 1 = more fragments; 0 = last fragment. >> >> >> Do you propose to include the Res and M flags in the FO IE definition? >> If so, that makes it incompatible with the IPv4 FO in two ways: > > > Certainly not. I just put the IPv6 fragment header specification here > in order to show what we are talking about. > >> 1. The IPv4 flags (R, DF, MF) come immediately before the FO, not after >> >> 2. The IPv4 FO IE doesn't contain any flags. >> >> So let's not do that. Let's have #88 as a generic FO value, where the >> first three bits are reserved and must be zero: >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> | Res | Fragment Offset | >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > That's also fine with me. I will suggest a new description > and reference section for this IE. > > But then there is still the issue with the fragment flags. > For IPv4 we have them in IE #197. > > We do have the following: > > 5.3.28. fragmentFlagsIPv4 > > Description: > The value of the fragmentation bits in the IPv4 packet header. > > Bit 0: reserved, must be zero. > Bit 1: (DF) 0 = May Fragment, 1 = Don't Fragment. > Bit 2: (MF) 0 = Last Fragment, 1 = More Fragments. > Bits 3-7: (DC) Don't Care, value is irrelevant. > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ > | | D | M | D | D | D | D | D | > | 0 | F | F | C | C | C | C | C | > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ > > Abstract Data Type: octet > Data Type Semantics: flags > ElementId: 197 > > > Shall we extend this also to IPv6. This would be simple: > In the IPv6 fragment header there is no equivalent to the DF flag. > So this bit would always be 0. But there is an equivalent to the > MF flag that is called M flag. Thus, we can report the M flag as > value of Bit 2. > > Any problems with this solution? Other than that it requires shifting the IPv6 bits around, no. You may suppose to reserve bits 0 and 1 for the IPv6 Res bits, so the IPv6 definition should be: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ | | | M | D | D | D | D | D | | 0 | 0 | F | C | C | C | C | C | +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >>> If we define a fragment offset IE for IPv6, >>> we probably should also define the a fragment flag IE for IPv6. >>> Below is a suggestion for their definitions. Comments are welcome. >>> >>> 5.3.29. fragmentOffsetIPv6 >>> >>> Description: >>> The value of the IPv6 fragment offset field in the IPv6 fragment >>> extension header. >>> Abstract Data Type: unsigned16 >>> Data Type Semantics: identifier >>> ElementId: 211 >>> Status: current >>> Reference: >>> See RFC 2460 [RFC2460] for the specification of the fragment >>> offset in the IPv6 fragment extension header. >> >> >> I propose to combine it with #88. >> >> >>> 5.3.30. fragmentFlagIPv6 >>> >>> Description: >>> The value of the M flag in the IPv6 fragment extension header. >>> >>> Bit 0: M flag. >>> Bits 1-7: (DC) Don't Care, value is irrelevant. >>> >>> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 >>> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >>> | | D | D | D | D | D | D | D | >>> | M | C | C | C | C | C | C | C | >>> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >>> >>> Abstract Data Type: octet >>> Data Type Semantics: flags >>> ElementId: 212 >>> Status: current >>> Reference: >>> See RFC 2460 [RFC2460] for the specification of the M flag in the >>> IPv6 fragment extension header. >> >> >> It might be easier to encode this as >> >> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 >> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >> | | | | | | | | M | >> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >> >> For two reasons: >> >> 1. No need to shift the M bit around. Just mask it from the packet >> contents. >> >> 2. In future the two Res bits can easily be fitted in positions 5+6 if >> their use is defined. >> >> So I would prefer to call it fragmentFlagsIPv6 (ie, plural, akin to >> fragmentFlagsIPv4), and specify it as: >> >> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 >> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >> | | | | | | 0 | 0 | M | >> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >> >> >> BTW, I would prefer to specify that zero be used instead of DC to >> prevent a potential covert channel. > > > If we go for joint offset reporting, I would apply the same idea here > and use IE #197 for IPv4 and IPv6 as suggested above. It seems a good solution. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 08 12:29:29 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fd8bx-00042U-Ku for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 12:29:29 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fd8bv-0001kj-Th for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 12:29:29 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fd8Sn-0004Wa-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 11:20:01 -0500 Received: from mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de ([193.174.154.14]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fd8Sk-0004W6-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 11:19:58 -0500 Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with SMTP id k48GJvn15650 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:19:57 +0200 (MEST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C672BB.3F5E4420" Subject: [ipfix] update of IPFIX-AS Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:20:03 +0200 Message-ID: <804B13F8F3D94A4AB18B9B01ACB68FA1137A02@EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: update of IPFIX-AS Thread-Index: AcZyu0KjgpXSpVOoR5S2kLQP2LTGBw== From: "Tanja Zseby" To: Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b0c1f3487fbb37b4c0af77a01a4c185d This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C672BB.3F5E4420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I submitted an update of the IPFIX-AS draft (attached). 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#1) id 1FdCM6-0000SM-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 15:29:22 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FdCM4-0000RZ-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 15:29:21 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.96] (dhcp.pacifictokyo.jp [219.101.140.1]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C2B1BAC4D; Mon, 8 May 2006 22:22:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 22:29:11 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: Paul Aitken Cc: Benoit Claise , Lutz Mark , ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] new element: fragmentOffsetIPv6 ? Message-ID: <187D0A4BED64DB4256AC11C7@[192.168.1.96]> In-Reply-To: <445F558E.5060906@cisco.com> References: <444655E2.5030305@cisco.com> <444771D8.8010905@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4448D947.4050903@cisco.com> <0733537CBEBCC541E3048E8C@753F3B888A9969457862729D> <445F3986.6010708@cisco.com> <445F558E.5060906@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2a9ffb6f997442a3b543bcdaf483b990 Hi Paul, --On 08.05.2006 15:28 Uhr +0100 Paul Aitken wrote: > Juergen, > >>> Fragment offset is AF agnostic, so why create a new IE? >>> Why not fix #88 fragmentOffsetIPv4 to just be "fragmentOffset" ? >> >> Well that would also be fine with me. >> >> I'm just a bit surprised, because it was you who suggested a new IE #211 >> for reporting the IPv6 fragment offset: >> >>> IPFIXers, >>> >>> We have #88 = fragmentOffsetIPv4 - but no equivalent for IPv6 fragment >>> offset? >>> >>> See section 4.5 of RFC 2460. >>> >>> I suggest we allocate #211 for this. >> >> >> Does this means that you withdraw your original proposal? > > Later I sent another message where I proposed combining the two, > because I realised that there's no need for AF-dependant versions. > > Perhaps you didn't receive that message? No. And I cannot find it in the IPFIX mailing list archive. But that's not an issue. I am fine with your new proposal. >>> The cisco definition of this field is "The fragment-offset value from >>> fragmented IP packets", so our intention was clearly for AF independence. >>> >>>> Please help me to specify it correctly. >>>> >>>> RFC 2460 defines for the IPv6 fragment extension header: >>>> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>>> | Next Header | Reserved | Fragment Offset |Res|M| >>>> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>>> | Identification | >>>> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>>> >>>> Fragment Offset 13-bit unsigned integer. The offset, in 8-octet >>>> units, of the data following this header, >>>> relative to the start of the Fragmentable Part >>>> of the original packet. >>>> >>>> Res 2-bit reserved field. Initialized to zero for >>>> transmission; ignored on reception. >>>> >>>> M flag 1 = more fragments; 0 = last fragment. >>> >>> >>> Do you propose to include the Res and M flags in the FO IE definition? >>> If so, that makes it incompatible with the IPv4 FO in two ways: >> >> >> Certainly not. I just put the IPv6 fragment header specification here >> in order to show what we are talking about. >> >>> 1. The IPv4 flags (R, DF, MF) come immediately before the FO, not after >>> >>> 2. The IPv4 FO IE doesn't contain any flags. >>> >>> So let's not do that. Let's have #88 as a generic FO value, where the >>> first three bits are reserved and must be zero: >>> >>> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>> | Res | Fragment Offset | >>> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> >> >> That's also fine with me. I will suggest a new description >> and reference section for this IE. >> >> But then there is still the issue with the fragment flags. >> For IPv4 we have them in IE #197. >> >> We do have the following: >> >> 5.3.28. fragmentFlagsIPv4 >> >> Description: >> The value of the fragmentation bits in the IPv4 packet header. >> >> Bit 0: reserved, must be zero. >> Bit 1: (DF) 0 = May Fragment, 1 = Don't Fragment. >> Bit 2: (MF) 0 = Last Fragment, 1 = More Fragments. >> Bits 3-7: (DC) Don't Care, value is irrelevant. >> >> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 >> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >> | | D | M | D | D | D | D | D | >> | 0 | F | F | C | C | C | C | C | >> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >> >> Abstract Data Type: octet >> Data Type Semantics: flags >> ElementId: 197 >> >> >> Shall we extend this also to IPv6. This would be simple: >> In the IPv6 fragment header there is no equivalent to the DF flag. >> So this bit would always be 0. But there is an equivalent to the >> MF flag that is called M flag. Thus, we can report the M flag as >> value of Bit 2. >> >> Any problems with this solution? > > Other than that it requires shifting the IPv6 bits around, no. > > You may suppose to reserve bits 0 and 1 for the IPv6 Res bits, so the IPv6 definition should be: I don't think we can reserve bit 1. We can only use the IE for v4 and v6 if the semantics is the same in both cases. Otherwise we run into trouble if a receiver of the IE does not know the IP version that was observed. So, the semantics of each bit should be identical for both versions: 5.3.28. fragmentFlags Description: Fragmentation properties indicated by flags in the IPv4 packet header or the IPv6 Fragment header, respectively. Bit 0: (RS) Reserved. The value of this bit MUST be 0 until specified otherwise. Bit 1: (DF) 0 = May Fragment, 1 = Don't Fragment. Corresponds to the value of the DF flag in the IPv4 header. Will always be 0 for IPv6 unless a "don't fragment" feature is introduced to IPv6. Bit 2: (MF) 0 = Last Fragment, 1 = More Fragments. Corresponds to the MF flag in the IPv4 header or to the M flag in the IPv6 Fragment header, respectively. The value is 0 for IPv6 if there is not Fragment header. Bits 3-7: (DC) Don't Care. The values of these bits are irrelevant. 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ | R | D | M | D | D | D | D | D | | S | F | F | C | C | C | C | C | +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ Abstract Data Type: octet Data Type Semantics: flags ElementId: 197 Best regards, Juergen > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ > | | | M | D | D | D | D | D | > | 0 | 0 | F | C | C | C | C | C | > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ > > >>>> If we define a fragment offset IE for IPv6, >>>> we probably should also define the a fragment flag IE for IPv6. >>>> Below is a suggestion for their definitions. Comments are welcome. >>>> >>>> 5.3.29. fragmentOffsetIPv6 >>>> >>>> Description: >>>> The value of the IPv6 fragment offset field in the IPv6 fragment >>>> extension header. >>>> Abstract Data Type: unsigned16 >>>> Data Type Semantics: identifier >>>> ElementId: 211 >>>> Status: current >>>> Reference: >>>> See RFC 2460 [RFC2460] for the specification of the fragment >>>> offset in the IPv6 fragment extension header. >>> >>> >>> I propose to combine it with #88. >>> >>> >>>> 5.3.30. fragmentFlagIPv6 >>>> >>>> Description: >>>> The value of the M flag in the IPv6 fragment extension header. >>>> >>>> Bit 0: M flag. >>>> Bits 1-7: (DC) Don't Care, value is irrelevant. >>>> >>>> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 >>>> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >>>> | | D | D | D | D | D | D | D | >>>> | M | C | C | C | C | C | C | C | >>>> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >>>> >>>> Abstract Data Type: octet >>>> Data Type Semantics: flags >>>> ElementId: 212 >>>> Status: current >>>> Reference: >>>> See RFC 2460 [RFC2460] for the specification of the M flag in the >>>> IPv6 fragment extension header. >>> >>> >>> It might be easier to encode this as >>> >>> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 >>> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >>> | | | | | | | | M | >>> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >>> >>> For two reasons: >>> >>> 1. No need to shift the M bit around. Just mask it from the packet >>> contents. >>> >>> 2. In future the two Res bits can easily be fitted in positions 5+6 if >>> their use is defined. >>> >>> So I would prefer to call it fragmentFlagsIPv6 (ie, plural, akin to >>> fragmentFlagsIPv4), and specify it as: >>> >>> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 >>> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >>> | | | | | | 0 | 0 | M | >>> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >>> >>> >>> BTW, I would prefer to specify that zero be used instead of DC to >>> prevent a potential covert channel. >> >> >> If we go for joint offset reporting, I would apply the same idea here >> and use IE #197 for IPv4 and IPv6 as suggested above. > > It seems a good solution. > > -- > Paul Aitken > Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 08 17:05:27 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdCv1-0004c0-S8 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 17:05:27 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdCv0-0000J3-JW for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 17:05:27 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FdCqb-0003rS-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 16:00:53 -0500 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FdCqa-0003rJ-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 16:00:52 -0500 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.150]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 May 2006 23:00:52 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k48L0oUE006071; Mon, 8 May 2006 23:00:50 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [10.61.65.16] (ams3-vpn-dhcp272.cisco.com [10.61.65.16]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA25041; Mon, 8 May 2006 22:00:44 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <445FB17B.6020904@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 22:00:43 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050811 Fedora/1.7.10-1.2.1.legacy X-Accept-Language: en-gb, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek CC: Benoit Claise , Lutz Mark , ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] new element: fragmentOffsetIPv6 ? References: <444655E2.5030305@cisco.com> <444771D8.8010905@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4448D947.4050903@cisco.com> <0733537CBEBCC541E3048E8C@753F3B888A9969457862729D> <445F3986.6010708@cisco.com> <445F558E.5060906@cisco.com> <187D0A4BED64DB4256AC11C7@[192.168.1.96]> In-Reply-To: <187D0A4BED64DB4256AC11C7@[192.168.1.96]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c0bedb65cce30976f0bf60a0a39edea4 Juergen, >> Perhaps you didn't receive that message? > > No. And I cannot find it in the IPFIX mailing list archive. So I re-sent it privately. > I don't think we can reserve bit 1. We can only use the IE for v4 and > v6 if the > semantics is the same in both cases. Otherwise we run into trouble if a > receiver > of the IE does not know the IP version that was observed. True. But then it's possible to export the IP version if a receiver might need to know it. I agree with this text, apart from one small typo: > So, the semantics of each bit should be identical for both versions: > > 5.3.28. fragmentFlags > > Description: > Fragmentation properties indicated by flags in the IPv4 > packet header or the IPv6 Fragment header, respectively. > > Bit 0: (RS) Reserved. > The value of this bit MUST be 0 until specified > otherwise. > Bit 1: (DF) 0 = May Fragment, 1 = Don't Fragment. > Corresponds to the value of the DF flag in the > IPv4 header. Will always be 0 for IPv6 unless > a "don't fragment" feature is introduced to IPv6. > Bit 2: (MF) 0 = Last Fragment, 1 = More Fragments. > Corresponds to the MF flag in the IPv4 header > or to the M flag in the IPv6 Fragment header, > respectively. The value is 0 for IPv6 if there > is not Fragment header. "is no". > Bits 3-7: (DC) Don't Care. > The values of these bits are irrelevant. > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ > | R | D | M | D | D | D | D | D | > | S | F | F | C | C | C | C | C | > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ > > Abstract Data Type: octet > Data Type Semantics: flags > ElementId: 197 Thanks. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 08 18:14:33 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdDzt-0000jB-Dv for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 18:14:33 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdDzt-0004lc-Ca for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 18:14:33 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdDyC-0004x2-PR for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 18:12:52 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FdDmT-00028a-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 17:00:41 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FdDmS-00028V-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 17:00:40 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.96] (dhcp.pacifictokyo.jp [219.101.140.1]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744D31BAC4D; Mon, 8 May 2006 23:53:53 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 00:00:30 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: Paul Aitken Cc: Benoit Claise , Lutz Mark , ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] new element: fragmentOffsetIPv6 ? Message-ID: <3FF92D2ED3D0FE7350B18889@[192.168.1.96]> In-Reply-To: <445FB17B.6020904@cisco.com> References: <444655E2.5030305@cisco.com> <444771D8.8010905@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4448D947.4050903@cisco.com> <0733537CBEBCC541E3048E8C@753F3B888A9969457862729D> <445F3986.6010708@cisco.com> <445F558E.5060906@cisco.com> <187D0A4BED64DB4256AC11C7@[192.168.1.96]> <445FB17B.6020904@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Paul, Do you think we can play the game also with IE #54 identificationIPv4? We would rename it to fragmentIdentification and apply it to v4 and v6 as well. We would have to extend its size to unsigned32, but this should not create a severe incompatibility with NFv9. NFv9 reports containing IE #54 would still be valid. Any comment? Thanks, Juergen -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 08 18:50:35 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdEYl-0007Rv-Uz for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 18:50:35 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdDgh-0003qH-E3 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 17:54:43 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdDZA-0004ey-88 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 17:47:01 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FdDNm-0000bO-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 16:35:10 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FdDNl-0000bJ-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 16:35:09 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.96] (dhcp.pacifictokyo.jp [219.101.140.1]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B8FC1BAC4D; Mon, 8 May 2006 23:28:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 23:34:59 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: Paul Aitken Cc: Benoit Claise , Lutz Mark , ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] new element: fragmentOffsetIPv6 ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <445FB17B.6020904@cisco.com> References: <444655E2.5030305@cisco.com> <444771D8.8010905@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4448D947.4050903@cisco.com> <0733537CBEBCC541E3048E8C@753F3B888A9969457862729D> <445F3986.6010708@cisco.com> <445F558E.5060906@cisco.com> <187D0A4BED64DB4256AC11C7@[192.168.1.96]> <445FB17B.6020904@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Scan-Signature: d185fa790257f526fedfd5d01ed9c976 Paul, Thanks for proofreading the text. I'll fix it. Would it be fine with you to re-use IE #211 for the commonPropertiesId? Thanks, Juergen --On 08.05.2006 22:00 Uhr +0100 Paul Aitken wrote: > Juergen, > >>> Perhaps you didn't receive that message? >> >> No. And I cannot find it in the IPFIX mailing list archive. > > So I re-sent it privately. > > >> I don't think we can reserve bit 1. We can only use the IE for v4 and >> v6 if the >> semantics is the same in both cases. Otherwise we run into trouble if a >> receiver >> of the IE does not know the IP version that was observed. > > True. But then it's possible to export the IP version if a receiver might need to know it. > > > I agree with this text, apart from one small typo: > >> So, the semantics of each bit should be identical for both versions: >> >> 5.3.28. fragmentFlags >> >> Description: >> Fragmentation properties indicated by flags in the IPv4 >> packet header or the IPv6 Fragment header, respectively. >> >> Bit 0: (RS) Reserved. >> The value of this bit MUST be 0 until specified >> otherwise. >> Bit 1: (DF) 0 = May Fragment, 1 = Don't Fragment. >> Corresponds to the value of the DF flag in the >> IPv4 header. Will always be 0 for IPv6 unless >> a "don't fragment" feature is introduced to IPv6. >> Bit 2: (MF) 0 = Last Fragment, 1 = More Fragments. >> Corresponds to the MF flag in the IPv4 header >> or to the M flag in the IPv6 Fragment header, >> respectively. The value is 0 for IPv6 if there >> is not Fragment header. > > "is no". > >> Bits 3-7: (DC) Don't Care. >> The values of these bits are irrelevant. >> >> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 >> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >> | R | D | M | D | D | D | D | D | >> | S | F | F | C | C | C | C | C | >> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >> >> Abstract Data Type: octet >> Data Type Semantics: flags >> ElementId: 197 > > Thanks. > -- > Paul Aitken > Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 08 20:22:41 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdFzt-0005ec-4L for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 20:22:41 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdEn1-0007Gt-1p for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 19:05:19 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdEcb-0005PB-G9 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 May 2006 18:54:35 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FdEYG-0006zu-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 17:50:04 -0500 Received: from pine.neustar.com ([209.173.57.70]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FdEYF-0006zp-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 08 May 2006 17:50:03 -0500 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by pine.neustar.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k48Mo1XO017426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 8 May 2006 22:50:01 GMT Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1FdEYD-0006ay-Nl; Mon, 08 May 2006 18:50:01 -0400 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: [ipfix] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipfix-as-07.txt Message-Id: Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 18:50:01 -0400 Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Scan-Signature: b5d20af10c334b36874c0264b10f59f1 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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1.0 To: Juergen Quittek CC: Benoit Claise , Lutz Mark , ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] new element: fragmentOffsetIPv6 ? References: <444655E2.5030305@cisco.com> <444771D8.8010905@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4448D947.4050903@cisco.com> <0733537CBEBCC541E3048E8C@753F3B888A9969457862729D> <445F3986.6010708@cisco.com> <445F558E.5060906@cisco.com> <187D0A4BED64DB4256AC11C7@[192.168.1.96]> <445FB17B.6020904@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Juergen, > Would it be fine with you to re-use IE #211 for the > commonPropertiesId? Yes. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 09 09:09:36 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdRy4-0005Ry-GK for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 09:09:36 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdRy3-0007qw-7i for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 09:09:36 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FdRor-0000YS-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 09 May 2006 08:00:05 -0500 Received: from relay01.pair.com ([209.68.5.15]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with smtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FdRop-0000XP-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 09 May 2006 08:00:03 -0500 Received: (qmail 26540 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 13:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.66?) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 9 May 2006 13:00:03 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 207.237.36.98 In-Reply-To: <445F3986.6010708@cisco.com> References: <444655E2.5030305@cisco.com> <444771D8.8010905@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4448D947.4050903@cisco.com> <0733537CBEBCC541E3048E8C@753F3B888A9969457862729D> <445F3986.6010708@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: Juergen Quittek , Benoit Claise , Lutz Mark , ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Carter Bullard Subject: Re: [ipfix] new element: fragmentOffsetIPv6 ? Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 08:59:58 -0400 To: Paul Aitken X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f4c2cf0bccc868e4cc88dace71fb3f44 Please, lets not talk about covert channels in IPFIX. It isn't a part of any real threat assessment for IPFIX, and IPFIX doesn't meet any potential covert channel criteria. In this particular case, because some of the contents of this IE is under the control of a non-trusted source (the packet), controlling other parts of the data in this field provides no additional assurance or protection, against a covert channel. Some would say that MBZ fields in IPFIX IE's is analogous to 7-bit data (ASCII) enforcement to eliminate the covert channel potential of FTP. Carter On May 8, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Paul Aitken wrote: > Juergen, > >> It's OK, if you want to have this new IE. > > Fragment offset is AF agnostic, so why create a new IE? Why not fix > #88 fragmentOffsetIPv4 to just be "fragmentOffset" ? > [ snip ] > > So I would prefer to call it fragmentFlagsIPv6 (ie, plural, akin to > fragmentFlagsIPv4), and specify it as: > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ > | | | | | | 0 | 0 | M | > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ > > > BTW, I would prefer to specify that zero be used instead of DC to > prevent a potential covert channel. > > Cheers. > -- > Paul Aitken > Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. > > -- > Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in > message body > Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say > "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body > Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ > -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 09 10:18:37 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdT2r-0007Ln-5n for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 10:18:37 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdT2p-0002nc-Ti for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 10:18:37 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FdSxD-00021b-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 09 May 2006 09:12:47 -0500 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FdSxC-00021V-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 09 May 2006 09:12:46 -0500 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.150]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 May 2006 16:12:46 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k49ECfUE028524; Tue, 9 May 2006 16:12:42 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [144.254.153.30] (dhcp-144-254-153-30.cisco.com [144.254.153.30]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20478; Tue, 9 May 2006 15:12:40 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4460A358.2020502@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 15:12:40 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050811 Fedora/1.7.10-1.2.1.legacy X-Accept-Language: en-gb, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek CC: Benoit Claise , Lutz Mark , ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] new element: fragmentOffsetIPv6 ? References: <444655E2.5030305@cisco.com> <444771D8.8010905@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4448D947.4050903@cisco.com> <0733537CBEBCC541E3048E8C@753F3B888A9969457862729D> <445F3986.6010708@cisco.com> <445F558E.5060906@cisco.com> <187D0A4BED64DB4256AC11C7@[192.168.1.96]> <445FB17B.6020904@cisco.com> <3FF92D2ED3D0FE7350B18889@[192.168.1.96]> In-Reply-To: <3FF92D2ED3D0FE7350B18889@[192.168.1.96]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Juergen, > Do you think we can play the game also with IE #54 > identificationIPv4? > > We would rename it to fragmentIdentification and > apply it to v4 and v6 as well. > > We would have to extend its size to unsigned32, > but this should not create a severe incompatibility with > NFv9. NFv9 reports containing IE #54 would still be valid. The cisco definition of this field is currently IPv4 specific - but I think it'd be good to extend it to IPv6 as you describe. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 09 11:08:11 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdTop-0003uX-2d for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 11:08:11 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdTon-0005OV-Pt for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 11:08:11 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FdTfH-0005nX-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 09 May 2006 09:58:19 -0500 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.10]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FdTfG-0005nS-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 09 May 2006 09:58:18 -0500 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/2.19) with ESMTP id k49EwGEQ009600 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 10:58:16 -0400 Received: (from defang@localhost) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit/1.1) id k49EwGni009597 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 10:58:16 -0400 Received: from villemus.indigo.cert.org (villemus.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.5]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (envelope-sender ) (MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id k49EwCaS009595; Tue, 09 May 2006 10:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.237.248.208] (vpn-10-25-4-20.remote.cert.org [10.25.4.20]) by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.58) with ESMTP id k49EwC2H013238; Tue, 9 May 2006 10:58:12 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4460A358.2020502@cisco.com> References: <444655E2.5030305@cisco.com> <444771D8.8010905@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4448D947.4050903@cisco.com> <0733537CBEBCC541E3048E8C@753F3B888A9969457862729D> <445F3986.6010708@cisco.com> <445F558E.5060906@cisco.com> <187D0A4BED64DB4256AC11C7@[192.168.1.96]> <445FB17B.6020904@cisco.com> <3FF92D2ED3D0FE7350B18889@[192.168.1.96]> <4460A358.2020502@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-3--771719088" Message-Id: Cc: Juergen Quittek , Benoit Claise , Lutz Mark , ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Trammell Subject: Re: [ipfix] new element: fragmentOffsetIPv6 ? Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:58:08 -0400 To: Paul Aitken X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.1 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 required=5 checker=SpamAssassin version=3.000005 Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c0bedb65cce30976f0bf60a0a39edea4 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-3--771719088 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed All, Since TOS and Traffic Class are registered identically for IPv4 and IPv6 (RFC 2474, http://www.iana.org/assignments/dscp-registry; RFC 3168, http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-tos-byte), classOfServiceIPv4 and classOfServiceIPv6 would also seem to be subject to the same reassignment (classOfServiceIPv4 => classOfService; classOfServiceIPv6 => available). Regards, Brian On May 9, 2006, at 10:12 AM, Paul Aitken wrote: > Juergen, > >> Do you think we can play the game also with IE #54 >> identificationIPv4? >> We would rename it to fragmentIdentification and >> apply it to v4 and v6 as well. >> We would have to extend its size to unsigned32, >> but this should not create a severe incompatibility with >> NFv9. NFv9 reports containing IE #54 would still be valid. > > The cisco definition of this field is currently IPv4 specific - but > I think it'd be good to extend it to IPv6 as you describe. > > -- > Paul Aitken > Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. > > -- > Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in > message body > Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say > "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body > Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ --Apple-Mail-3--771719088 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEYK4E4/8LCZ4pwvYRAmUPAKDFcgW3reOh3eAgrl07G2nJTzl9uwCgjtIZ 5ojbw2w3DCdWpnp8ohKBF4A= =KUAg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-3--771719088-- -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From killougheguszta@globaltap.com Tue May 09 13:00:08 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdVZA-0002h2-44 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 13:00:08 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FdVZ8-0002hb-PT for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 13:00:08 -0400 Received: from [201.138.34.27] (helo=globaltap.com) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with smtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FdVMR-0002fl-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 09 May 2006 11:46:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c67388$2f4511c0$2ad4a8c0@utc19> Reply-To: "Guszta Killough" From: "Guszta Killough" To: ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: good csredit Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 09:46:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6734D.82E639C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-RBL-Warning: (bl.spamcop.net) Blocked - see http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?201.138.34.27 X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 7b8e6f6ef974ecda19a6b57d59caeb7d This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6734D.82E639C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable D y ea w r H d om u e O s wn n er, Your c h re z di f t doesn't matter to us! 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6734D.82E639C0-- From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Wed May 10 15:56:04 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fdumy-0006PJ-G0 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:56:04 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fdumx-0006Gn-7F for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:56:04 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FduhX-0001f0-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Wed, 10 May 2006 14:50:27 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FduhV-0001e9-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Wed, 10 May 2006 14:50:26 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.96] (dhcp.pacifictokyo.jp [219.101.140.1]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1776C1BAC4D; Wed, 10 May 2006 21:43:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:50:15 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: Carter Bullard , Paul Aitken Cc: Benoit Claise , Lutz Mark , ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] new element: fragmentOffsetIPv6 ? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <444655E2.5030305@cisco.com> <444771D8.8010905@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4448D947.4050903@cisco.com> <0733537CBEBCC541E3048E8C@753F3B888A9969457862729D> <445F3986.6010708@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cd26b070c2577ac175cd3a6d878c6248 Hi Carter, --On 09.05.2006 8:59 Uhr -0400 Carter Bullard wrote: > Please, lets not talk about covert channels in IPFIX. It isn't a part of > any real threat assessment for IPFIX, and IPFIX doesn't meet any > potential covert channel criteria. I doubt that IPFIX does not even meet a single potential covert channel criteria. The protocol security considerations discuss features for protecting integrity. For example, transport over TLS is supported. > In this particular case, because > some of the contents of this IE is under the control of a non-trusted > source (the packet), controlling other parts of the data in this field > provides no additional assurance or protection, against a covert > channel. > > Some would say that MBZ fields in IPFIX IE's is analogous to 7-bit > data (ASCII) enforcement to eliminate the covert channel potential > of FTP. "Some would say ..." that's fine. But what do YOU want to tell us? Are you suggesting not to request to set some of the unused bits to zero? Do you suggest to remove this from all affected IEs or from some particular ones? Thanks, Juergen > Carter > > > On May 8, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Paul Aitken wrote: > >> Juergen, >> >>> It's OK, if you want to have this new IE. >> >> Fragment offset is AF agnostic, so why create a new IE? Why not fix >> # 88 fragmentOffsetIPv4 to just be "fragmentOffset" ? >> > [ snip ] >> >> So I would prefer to call it fragmentFlagsIPv6 (ie, plural, akin to >> fragmentFlagsIPv4), and specify it as: >> >> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 >> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >> | | | | | | 0 | 0 | M | >> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >> >> >> BTW, I would prefer to specify that zero be used instead of DC to >> prevent a potential covert channel. >> >> Cheers. >> -- >> Paul Aitken >> Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. >> >> -- >> Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in >> message body >> Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say >> "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body >> Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ >> > -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From sonnieu@kraszlan.com Wed May 10 19:26:18 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fdy4Q-0003Az-3S for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:26:18 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fdy4O-0007U2-QR for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:26:18 -0400 Received: from up.doit.wisc.edu ([144.92.9.73] helo=smtp.doit.wisc.edu) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fdxxv-0002jA-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:19:35 -0500 Received: from kraszlan.com (corporativos24470-2.etb.net.co [201.244.70.2] (may be forged)) by smtp.doit.wisc.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id k4ANJUYh009578 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:19:33 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c67488$3427ddc0$d293a8c0@fhp8> Reply-To: "Sonnie Yancy" From: "Sonnie Yancy" To: ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: your VtAGtRA Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:19:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6744D.87C905C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 2.5 (++) X-Scan-Signature: bf422c85703d3d847fb014987125ac48 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6744D.87C905C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi =20 P C X L V A V r I a e I m A o A n v A b L z L a i G i I a I x t R e U c S ra A n M =20 =20 =20 =20 http://www.luparevishal.com =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 bidding the chief of the guards good-night.=20 Now come with me, he said, and taste the new wine that has just=20 come in. 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This method is motivated by a desire to increase overall collection efficiency in measurement infrastructures wherein biflow assembly can be pushed to the Metering Process edge, and by a need to have a strong link in the data between directions of a biflow. However, this method requires the allocation of "reverse" information elements to represent data from the additional direction in each biflow. Revision -01 of the biflow draft proposes two possible allocation policies for these IEs, but leaves the choice between them as an open issue. Briefly, the two policies outlined in the draft are: 1. Direct allocation of reverse information elements - adding between 150 and 200 information elements to the information model, as was done with the post* IEs, but on a larger scale. 2. Allocation of a single private enterprise number (PEN) to signify "reverse". Information elements within this private space would be equivalent to their counterparts in IETF/IANA-allocated IE space, except that they would apply to the reverse direction of the flow. For example, octetTotalCount has IE number 85; reverseOctetTotalCount would then be assigned IE number 85 within this private space. See the -01 revision of the biflow draft for details. On further review, we are proposing that reverse information elements be assigned by the second policy. We are continuing our dialogue with IANA and have no reason to believe an enterprise number could not be assigned for this purpose. Our motivation behind this proposal is as follows: 1. The first policy presents a difficult management problem. The relationship between forward and reverse direction information elements would have to be maintained over time; as new IEs are added to the IANA registry, someone would have to evaluate whether the new IE has a sensical reverse direction, and if so, add the reverse direction as well. This adds management overhead to a process that is not yet well-defined itself, and it is unclear who would take on the task. 2. The first policy effectively reduces future expansion of the IANA registered IE space by half. 3. The second policy is much more flexible. The management problem outlined is solved by "dimensioning" the information element space - any future addition to the IANA-managed IE space automatically gains its reverse counterpart. If a future revision of the IPFIX protocol has a dimensioned IE space, as has been suggested within the WG from time to time over the past year, the second policy is more compatible with the future direction of the protocol. We'd like to hear the working group's comments on this proposed selection of policy; we're prepared to incorporate this commentary and address all other outstanding open issues in the document in a new revision for Montreal. Regards, Brian --Apple-Mail-1--603085117 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEY0C+4/8LCZ4pwvYRAhyxAJ0UccQGEupnoQ6MN4B+qgD9+BrwLQCghQ0b ZFz6fvpcNiUhDsz3vvAmZT0= =wREt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-1--603085117-- -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Thu May 11 10:54:25 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeCYb-0002iR-0n for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 10:54:25 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeBzt-0003Wx-No for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 10:18:33 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeBns-0001EW-QA for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 10:06:10 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FeBhb-0003GA-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 11 May 2006 08:59:39 -0500 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.10]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FeBha-0003G5-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 11 May 2006 08:59:38 -0500 Received: from villemus.indigo.cert.org (villemus.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.5]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/2.19) with ESMTP id k4BDxa0A020857 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 09:59:36 -0400 Received: from [128.237.248.208] (vpn-10-25-4-15.remote.cert.org [10.25.4.15]) by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.58) with ESMTP id k4BDxagJ031100 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 09:59:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <070A800D-02B6-4724-A2F5-DAB9A4BA0D63@cert.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-3--602435112" To: "'Ipfix Wg' (E-mail) (E-mail)" From: Brian Trammell Subject: [ipfix] Reverse IE Allocation for Single Record Biflows Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:59:32 -0400 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.1 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Scan-Signature: cf3becbbd6d1a45acbe2ffd4ab88bdc2 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-3--602435112 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed All, [This is identical to the last message, but contains a subject line to make any subsequent thread easier to follow. Oops. - bht] draft-trammell-ipfix-biflow-01 proposes single record biflows (see section 5) as an efficient method for the export of bidirectional flow data. This method is motivated by a desire to increase overall collection efficiency in measurement infrastructures wherein biflow assembly can be pushed to the Metering Process edge, and by a need to have a strong link in the data between directions of a biflow. However, this method requires the allocation of "reverse" information elements to represent data from the additional direction in each biflow. Revision -01 of the biflow draft proposes two possible allocation policies for these IEs, but leaves the choice between them as an open issue. Briefly, the two policies outlined in the draft are: 1. Direct allocation of reverse information elements - adding between 150 and 200 information elements to the information model, as was done with the post* IEs, but on a larger scale. 2. Allocation of a single private enterprise number (PEN) to signify "reverse". Information elements within this private space would be equivalent to their counterparts in IETF/IANA-allocated IE space, except that they would apply to the reverse direction of the flow. For example, octetTotalCount has IE number 85; reverseOctetTotalCount would then be assigned IE number 85 within this private space. See the -01 revision of the biflow draft for details. On further review, we are proposing that reverse information elements be assigned by the second policy. We are continuing our dialogue with IANA and have no reason to believe an enterprise number could not be assigned for this purpose. Our motivation behind this proposal is as follows: 1. The first policy presents a difficult management problem. The relationship between forward and reverse direction information elements would have to be maintained over time; as new IEs are added to the IANA registry, someone would have to evaluate whether the new IE has a sensical reverse direction, and if so, add the reverse direction as well. This adds management overhead to a process that is not yet well-defined itself, and it is unclear who would take on the task. 2. The first policy effectively reduces future expansion of the IANA registered IE space by half. 3. The second policy is much more flexible. The management problem outlined is solved by "dimensioning" the information element space - any future addition to the IANA-managed IE space automatically gains its reverse counterpart. If a future revision of the IPFIX protocol has a dimensioned IE space, as has been suggested within the WG from time to time over the past year, the second policy is more compatible with the future direction of the protocol. We'd like to hear the working group's comments on this proposed selection of policy; we're prepared to incorporate this commentary and address all other outstanding open issues in the document in a new revision for Montreal. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C67591.582A4230-- From guynesukizzie@tourism.gov.my Fri May 12 13:13:22 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FebCc-0002hQ-H9 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 13:13:22 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FebCc-0007D5-3z for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 13:13:22 -0400 Received: from up.doit.wisc.edu ([144.92.9.73] helo=smtp.doit.wisc.edu) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Feb6L-00075P-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:06:53 -0500 Received: from tourism.gov.my (84-72-82-97.dclient.hispeed.ch [84.72.82.97]) by smtp.doit.wisc.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id k4CH6kwZ018205 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:06:50 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c675e6$67fa1b90$c2eea8c0@scv10> Reply-To: "Kizzie Guynes" From: "Kizzie Guynes" To: ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: the crred Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:06:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C675AB.BB9B4390" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0770535483960d190d4a0d020e7060bd This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C675AB.BB9B4390 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C675AB.BB9B4390" ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C675AB.BB9B4390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable go to the web site =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 little light on this! On the table in the light of a big lamp with a red shad he spread a piece of parchment rather like a map. This was made by Thror, your grandfather, Thorin, he said in answer to the dwarves excited questions. It is a plan of the Mountain. I dont see that this will help us much, said Thorin disappointedly after a glance. I remember the Mountain well enough and the lands about it. And I know where Mirkwood is, and the Withered Heath where the great dragons bred. There is a dragon marked in red on the Mountain, said Balin, but it will be easy enough to find him without that, if ever we arrive there. There is one point that you havent noticed, said the wizard, and that is the secret entrance. You see that rune on the West side, and the hand pointing to it from the other runes? That marks a hidden passage to the Lower Halls. It may have been secret once, said Thorin, but how do we know that ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C675AB.BB9B4390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
 
 
little light on this!
On the table in the light of a big lamp with a red shad he spread = a
piece of parchment rather like a map.
This was made by Thror, your grandfather, Thorin, he said in It had not been a-bit too soon. Only a minute or two after Balins
lid had been fitted on there came the sound of voices and the flicker = of
lights. A number of elves came laughing and talking into the cellars = and
singing snatches of song. They had left a merry feast in one of the
halls and were bent on returning as soon as they could. Wheres old
Galion, the butler? said one. I havent seen him at the tables
tonight. He ought to be here now to show us what is to be done.
I shall be angry if the old slowcoach is late, said another. I
have no wish to waste time down here while the song is up!
Ha, ha! came a cry. Heres the old villain with his head on a jug!
Hes been having a little feast all to himself and his friend the
captain. Shake him! Wake him! shouted the others impatiently. Gallon
was not at all pleased at being shaken or wakened, and still less at
being laughed at. Youre all late, he grumbled. Here am I waiting and
waiting down here, while you fellows drink and make merry and = forget
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ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 13 May 2006 02:46:25 -0400 Received: from [222.72.158.100] (helo=wwnet.com) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with smtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fenb4-0006NT-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:27:26 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c67655$fff8c8f0$f2d1a8c0@vpr56> Reply-To: "Brook Routh" From: "Brook Routh" To: ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: the ccred Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 23:25:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6761B.5399F0F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 20f22c03b5c66958bff5ef54fcda6e48 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6761B.5399F0F0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C6761B.5399F0F0" ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C6761B.5399F0F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable go to the web site =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 bow. Let me see: one-thats Thorin; two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven; where are Fili and Kili? Here they are, twelve, thirteen-and heres Mr. Baggins: fourteen! Well, well! it might be worse, and then again it might be a good deal better. No ponies, and no food, and no knowing quite where we are, and hordes of angry goblins just behind! On we go! On they went. Gandalf was quite right: they began to hear goblin noises and horrible cries far behind in the passages they had come through. That sent them on faster than ever, and as poor Bilbo could not possibly go half as fast-for dwarves can roll along at a tremendous pace, I can tell you, when they have to-they took it in turn to carry him on their backs. Still goblins go faster than dwarves, and these goblins knew the way better (they had made the paths themselves), and were madly angry; so that do what they could the dwarves heard the cries and howls getting closer and closer. 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bow. Let me see: one-thats Thorin; two, three, four, five, six, = seven,
eight, nine, ten, eleven; where are Fili and Kili? Here they are,
twelve, thirteen-and heres Mr. Baggins: fourteen! Well, well! it = might
be worse, and then again it might be a good deal better. No ponies, = and
no food, and no knowing quite where we are, and hordes of angry = goblins
just behind! On we go! On they went. Gandalf was quite right: they
began to hear goblin noises and horrible cries far behind in the
passages they had come through. That sent them on faster than ever, = and
as poor Bilbo could not possibly go half as fast-for dwarves can = roll
along at a tremendous pace, I can tell you, when they have to-they = took
it in turn to carry him on their backs. Still goblins go faster than
dwarves, and these goblins knew the way better (they had made the = paths
themselves), and were madly angry; so that do what they could the
dwarves heard the cries and howls getting closer and closer. Soon = they
could hear even the flap of the goblin feet, many many feet which = seemed
only just round the last corner. The blink of red torches could be = seen
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laughing in their sleeves at him all the time? That is the effect = that
dragon-talk has on the inexperienced. Bilbo of course ought to have = been
on his guard; but Smaug had rather an overwhelming personality.
I tell you, he said, in an effort to remain loyal to his friends
and to keep his end up, that gold was only an afterthought with us. = We
came over hill and under hill, by wave and win, for Revenge. Surely, = O
Smaug the unassessably wealthy, you must realize that your success = has
made you some bitter enemies?
Then Smaug really did laugh-a devastating sound which shook Bilbo = to
the floor, while far up in the tunnel the dwarves huddled together = and
imagined that the hobbit had come to a sudden and a nasty end.
Revenge! he snorted, and the light of his eyes lit the the hall from
floor to ceiling like scarlet lightning. Revenge! The King under the
Mountain is dead and where are hi kin that dare seek revenge? Girion
Lord of Dale is dead, and I have eaten his people like a wolf among
sheep, and where are his sons sons that dare approach me? I kill = where
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C67768.6DD5A560-- From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Sun May 14 23:05:43 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfTOx-0000HK-I8 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 14 May 2006 23:05:43 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfTOv-0006mz-9q for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 14 May 2006 23:05:43 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FfTBs-0007P7-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Sun, 14 May 2006 21:52:12 -0500 Received: from 221x245x168x210.ap221.ftth.ucom.ne.jp ([221.245.168.210] helo=ober.mshindo.net) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FfTBr-0007O5-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Sun, 14 May 2006 21:52:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (ober.mshindo.net [221.245.168.210]) by ober.mshindo.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D953367EF for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:56:24 +0900 (JST) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:52:06 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20060515.115206.93498954.mshindo@mshindo.net> To: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: [ipfix] Relationship between Metering Process and Observation Point From: Motonori Shindo X-Mailer: Mew version 5.0.50 on Emacs 21.4 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Hi, I'm relatively new to this mailing list, so if the following has already been brought up and discussed in this mailing list in the past, please accept my apology. I don't clearly understand the relationship between Observation Point and Metering Process. Looking at Figure 4 in draft-ietf-ipfix-architecture-10.txt, it is obviously not a 1:1 relationship because Observation Point has an index M whereas Metering Process has an index N. I think it is quite possible for a given Metering Process to meter more than one Observation Points under single Observation Domain, but how about the other way around? That is, is it OK for a given Observation Point to be metered by more than one Metering Processes? If it is allowed, it will then introduce so called a "double counting" (or "multiple counting" in general) issue inside the IPFIX device, which is not a desired behavior in most cases. It looks to me that having multiple Metering Processes associated with a given Observation Domain has a legitimate usage, for example, for the case where each Metering Process has a distinct sampling rate, but I don't see any practical use of having multiple Metering Processes for a given Observation Point. Will anybody here kindly clarify this point? Thanks. --- Motonori Shindo Chief Technology Officer Fivefront Corporation http://www.fivefront.com -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 15 03:10:47 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfXE6-0003EP-Vp for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 03:10:46 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfXE5-0001oy-MQ for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 03:10:46 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FfWtA-00008H-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 15 May 2006 01:49:08 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FfWt8-00007U-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 15 May 2006 01:49:06 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.128] (mito.netlab.nec.de [195.37.70.39]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14621BAC4D; Mon, 15 May 2006 08:41:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 08:49:01 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: Motonori Shindo , ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] Relationship between Metering Process and Observation Point Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060515.115206.93498954.mshindo@mshindo.net> References: <20060515.115206.93498954.mshindo@mshindo.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 31247fb3be228bb596db9127becad0bc --On 15.05.2006 11:52 Uhr +0900 Motonori Shindo wrote: > Hi, > > I'm relatively new to this mailing list, so if the following has > already been brought up and discussed in this mailing list in the > past, please accept my apology. > > I don't clearly understand the relationship between Observation Point > and Metering Process. Looking at Figure 4 in > draft-ietf-ipfix-architecture-10.txt, it is obviously not a 1:1 > relationship because Observation Point has an index M whereas Metering > Process has an index N. > > I think it is quite possible for a given Metering Process to meter > more than one Observation Points under single Observation Domain, but > how about the other way around? That is, is it OK for a given > Observation Point to be metered by more than one Metering Processes? > If it is allowed, it will then introduce so called a "double counting" > (or "multiple counting" in general) issue inside the IPFIX device, > which is not a desired behavior in most cases. Yes, you are right. IPFIX supports this. But as you reasoned well, applications using this should be aware of the implications. One of them is the potential of double counting. There are cases where double counting can is intended and useful. Still it is a potential source of misinterpretation of measured data. But this is something that the IPFIX standard cannot and does not intend to completely exclude. Most standard protocols can be used in a way that is not recommendable. > It looks to me that having multiple Metering Processes associated with > a given Observation Domain has a legitimate usage, for example, for > the case where each Metering Process has a distinct sampling rate, but > I don't see any practical use of having multiple Metering Processes > for a given Observation Point. If you go back to the RTFM architecture (RFC 2722), then you will find the idea that different users of the same device want to apply different metering rules for the same source of traffic, for example, by with different applications that want to measure the same flow with different sampling rates. You can discuss if this problem would be solved better with a single or multiple metering processes for the same observation point, but this is an implementation issue that IPFIX should not limit in one way or the other. If we restrict an observation point to be observed by one metering process only, we would unnecessarily rule out a PC runing more than one IPFIX-compatible application on the same interface. > Will anybody here kindly clarify this point? Thanks. Hope the text above helps. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C677F1.4A8212E0-- From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 15 10:54:40 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfeT2-0003Db-9T for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 10:54:40 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfeSz-0006e3-0z for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 10:54:40 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FfeNk-0001Xu-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 15 May 2006 09:49:12 -0500 Received: from mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de ([193.174.154.14]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FfeNj-0001Xp-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 15 May 2006 09:49:11 -0500 Received: from [10.147.65.153] (luz@kaitos [10.147.65.153]) by mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k4FEn8n21186; Mon, 15 May 2006 16:49:08 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <446894E4.2050804@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:49:08 +0200 From: Lutz Mark User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060130) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gerhard Muenz CC: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] Template ID scope in IPFIX protocol/architecture drafts References: <44688167.7050404@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> In-Reply-To: <44688167.7050404@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 Hi Gerhard, > Am I right that the following statements are right? > 1. Template IDs are locally unique per Observation Domain ID. > 2. Observation Domain IDs are locally unique per Exporting Process. yes. > 3. An Exporting Process is uniquely identified by exporterIPv4Address, > exporterIPv6Address, or exportingProcessId. I would say that there is no way to uniquely identify an exporting process. Since: o the exportingProcessId is nothing to rely on. It is optional to export and has to be configured by hand. o an exporting process can export via multiple source ip addresses o an ipfix device can host multiple exporting processes > In this case, (1) might be misleading since a Template is uniquely > identified by the 3-tuple (Template ID, Observation Domain ID, > exporterIPv4/6Address/ProcessId). > > A related question: > If none of the fields exporterIPv4Address, exporterIPv6Address, or > exportingProcessId are exported, how do we identify the Exporting > Process? By the source IP address in the header of the IPFIX packet? Templates IDs are unique per SCTP or TCP connection and for UDP per ip source address and UDP port numbers. Best regards, Lutz -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 15 11:02:51 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ffeax-00059L-HB for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:02:51 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ffeax-0006u1-7g for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:02:51 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FfeWc-0001gO-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 15 May 2006 09:58:22 -0500 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.10]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FfeWb-0001gJ-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 15 May 2006 09:58:21 -0500 Received: from beniaminus.red.cert.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/2.19) with ESMTP id k4FEAHWg007019 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 10:10:19 -0400 Received: (from defang@localhost) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit/1.1) id k4FE8PuO006932 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 10:08:25 -0400 Received: from villemus.indigo.cert.org (villemus.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.5]) by beniaminus.red.cert.org (envelope-sender ) (MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id k4FE8Ocq006930; Mon, 15 May 2006 10:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.237.246.6] (vpn-10-25-4-13.remote.cert.org [10.25.4.13]) by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.58) with ESMTP id k4FE8Og9010240; Mon, 15 May 2006 10:08:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: <44688167.7050404@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <44688167.7050404@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-3--256307262" Message-Id: Cc: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Trammell Subject: Re: [ipfix] Template ID scope in IPFIX protocol/architecture drafts Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:08:20 -0400 To: Gerhard Muenz X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.1 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 required=5 checker=SpamAssassin version=3.000005 Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5ebbf074524e58e662bc8209a6235027 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-3--256307262 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Gerhard, Replies inline. On May 15, 2006, at 9:25 AM, Gerhard Muenz wrote: > > Hi, > > In both draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-21 and > draft-ietf-ipfix-architecture-10 is written in the terminology > section: > > (1) > * Template > > [...] Each Template is uniquely identifiable by means > of a Template ID. > > In draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-21, Section 8: > > (2) > A Template ID MUST be unique per Observation Domain. Different > Observation Domains from the same Exporter may use the same > Template > ID value to refer to different Templates. > > > In draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-21, Section 3.3: > > (3) > Observation Domain ID > A 32-bit identifier of the Observation Domain that is > locally unique to the Exporting Process. The Exporting > Process uses the Observation Domain ID to uniquely identify > to the Collecting Process the Observation Domain that > metered the Flows. Collecting Processes SHOULD use the > combination of the Exporter (exporterIPv4Address, > exporterIPv6Address, or exportingProcessId) and the > Observation Domain ID field to separate different export > streams originating from the same Exporting Process. [...] > > Am I right that the following statements are right? > 1. Template IDs are locally unique per Observation Domain ID. > 2. Observation Domain IDs are locally unique per Exporting Process. > 3. An Exporting Process is uniquely identified by exporterIPv4Address, > exporterIPv6Address, or exportingProcessId. Yes.. at least this is how I interpret the intersection of -21 section 8 and -21 section 3.3. > In this case, (1) might be misleading since a Template is uniquely > identified by the 3-tuple (Template ID, Observation Domain ID, > exporterIPv4/6Address/ProcessId). You're not alone in finding this misleading. I was initially quite confused by the inconsistency here -- the message that resulted from this confusion is in the list archive somewhere :) > A related question: > If none of the fields exporterIPv4Address, exporterIPv6Address, or > exportingProcessId are exported, how do we identify the Exporting > Process? By the source IP address in the header of the IPFIX packet? I'd assumed that was the only way to handle it... Given that the exporter identifier is the root scope of the Observation Domain ID, which is itself the root scope of all other scopes including the Template ID required to interpret any exported data at all, does it even make sense to export the exporter identifier? If it's necessary to interpret Observation Domain IDs other than from IPFIX Message source IP address, then the exporter identifier _should_ probably appear in the message header. Actually, we have another problem here. How should a collecting process determine the exporter IPv4 or IPv6 address on a multihomed SCTP association? Defining it as the IP source address is problematic, as the IP source address is not constant over the life of an association. The first thing that comes to mind is to define some rule for this situation (e.g., numerically lowest address). But this seems a bit hackish... Regards, Brian --Apple-Mail-3--256307262 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEaItY4/8LCZ4pwvYRAp/pAKDS86cT9qrhu6XLsVXiaKaDXWsgqgCg2G27 s73c2ZgeSAT2853HDkfYuk0= =Du1D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-3--256307262-- -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 15 11:39:07 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FffA3-0007zK-MQ for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:39:07 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FffA1-0000zF-Ej for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:39:07 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fff5K-00028c-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 15 May 2006 10:34:14 -0500 Received: from franclinus.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.16]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fff5J-00028W-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 15 May 2006 10:34:13 -0500 Received: from franclinus.red.cert.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by franclinus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/2.19) with ESMTP id k4FFYAVx002215 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:34:11 -0400 Received: (from defang@localhost) by franclinus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit/1.1) id k4FFXKCr002176 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:33:20 -0400 Received: from villemus.indigo.cert.org (villemus.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.5]) by franclinus.red.cert.org (envelope-sender ) (MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id k4FFXKnS002174; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.237.246.6] (vpn-10-25-4-13.remote.cert.org [10.25.4.13]) by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.58) with ESMTP id k4FFXKKV020070; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:33:20 -0400 In-Reply-To: <446894E4.2050804@fokus.fraunhofer.de> References: <44688167.7050404@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <446894E4.2050804@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-15--251211498" Message-Id: <6EFDFD7E-8FFE-4CF5-AF16-5EEF10482129@cert.org> Cc: Andrew Johnson , Gerhard Muenz Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Trammell Subject: Re: [ipfix] Template ID scope in IPFIX protocol/architecture drafts Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:33:16 -0400 To: Lutz Mark , "'Ipfix Wg' (E-mail) (E-mail)" X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.1 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 required=5 checker=SpamAssassin version=3.000005 Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f607d15ccc2bc4eaf3ade8ffa8af02a0 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-15--251211498 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On May 15, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Lutz Mark wrote: >> In this case, (1) might be misleading since a Template is uniquely >> identified by the 3-tuple (Template ID, Observation Domain ID, >> exporterIPv4/6Address/ProcessId). >> A related question: >> If none of the fields exporterIPv4Address, exporterIPv6Address, or >> exportingProcessId are exported, how do we identify the Exporting >> Process? By the source IP address in the header of the IPFIX packet? > > Templates IDs are unique per SCTP or TCP connection and > for UDP per ip source address and UDP port numbers. Actually, wouldn't it be Observation Domain IDs that are unique per "session"? And multihomed collectors in the UDP case complicate this even further - you really have to look at the destination address, too, for UDP. So it seems like the proper way to resolve this issue is to define a "Session" (as an SCTP association, TCP connection, or UDP four-tuple and timeout (ick!)), then define the Session to be the root scope, not the exporter identifier. So, Observation Domain IDs are unique within the Session, and all other scopes are unique within the Observation Domain ID. Thoughts? Brian --Apple-Mail-15--251211498 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEaJ8/4/8LCZ4pwvYRAtxTAKDB4Iqs3iFBC4MXZpwEmOJ2GN23xgCghdcA bdejbwpRC0srp0rq9vRrdGo= =bRY2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-15--251211498-- -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 15 12:46:08 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfgCu-0003z0-Nd for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:46:08 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfgCt-0006Qr-G0 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:46:08 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FffxQ-0003JR-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:30:08 -0500 Received: from mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de ([193.174.154.14]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FffxL-0003J1-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:30:03 -0500 Received: from [10.147.65.153] (luz@kaitos [10.147.65.153]) by mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k4FFCTn25108; Mon, 15 May 2006 17:12:29 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <44689A5D.3090503@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:12:29 +0200 From: Lutz Mark User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060130) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gerhard Muenz CC: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] Template ID scope in IPFIX protocol/architecture drafts References: <44688167.7050404@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <446894E4.2050804@fokus.fraunhofer.de> In-Reply-To: <446894E4.2050804@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c > Templates IDs are unique per SCTP or TCP connection and > for UDP per ip source address and UDP port numbers. Oops: TemplatesID/ObservationDomainID-tuple is unique per SCTP or TCP connection and for UDP per ip source address and UDP port numbers. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 15 13:02:14 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfgSU-000809-2M for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 13:02:14 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfgSS-0007A5-QO for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 13:02:14 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Ffg5J-0003Qf-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:38:17 -0500 Received: from franclinus.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.16]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Ffg5H-0003QZ-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:38:15 -0500 Received: from franclinus.red.cert.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by franclinus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/2.19) with ESMTP id k4FGcAI8007171 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:38:12 -0400 Received: (from defang@localhost) by franclinus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit/1.1) id k4FGatGJ007129 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:36:55 -0400 Received: from villemus.indigo.cert.org (villemus.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.5]) by franclinus.red.cert.org (envelope-sender ) (MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id k4FGasZh007127; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.237.246.6] (vpn-10-25-4-13.remote.cert.org [10.25.4.13]) by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.58) with ESMTP id k4FGas4q027619; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:36:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4468A1A2.7080802@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <44688167.7050404@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <446894E4.2050804@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <6EFDFD7E-8FFE-4CF5-AF16-5EEF10482129@cert.org> <4468A1A2.7080802@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-16--247397060" Message-Id: Cc: Lutz Mark , "'Ipfix Wg' (E-mail) (E-mail)" , Andrew Johnson Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Trammell Subject: Re: [ipfix] Template ID scope in IPFIX protocol/architecture drafts Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 12:36:50 -0400 To: Gerhard Muenz X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.1 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 required=5 checker=SpamAssassin version=3.000005 Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 31247fb3be228bb596db9127becad0bc This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-16--247397060 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Gerhard, The timeout would have to be a feature of UDP Sessions... since there =20= is no "session" concept for UDP, without a timeout, no UDP four-tuple =20= could ever be reused after Metering Process or Collecting Process =20 restart, which is not workable. (Personally, I think this is yet another argument against using UDP) - Brian On May 15, 2006, at 11:43 AM, Gerhard Muenz wrote: > > Brian, > > Brian Trammell wrote: >> Actually, wouldn't it be Observation Domain IDs that are unique per >> "session"? And multihomed collectors in the UDP case complicate this >> even further - you really have to look at the destination address, =20= >> too, >> for UDP. >> >> So it seems like the proper way to resolve this issue is to define a >> "Session" (as an SCTP association, TCP connection, or UDP four-=20 >> tuple and >> timeout (ick!)), then define the Session to be the root scope, not =20= >> the >> exporter identifier. So, Observation Domain IDs are unique within the >> Session, and all other scopes are unique within the Observation =20 >> Domain ID. >> >> Thoughts? > > Ok, but without the timeout please. The timeout cannot be a =20 > distinctive > property of a session. > > Gerhard > > > --=20 > Dipl.-Ing. Gerhard M=FCnz > Computer Networks and Internet > Wilhelm Schickard Institute for Computer Science > University of Tuebingen > Auf der Morgenstelle 10C 9P16, D-72076 Tuebingen, Germany > Phone: +49 7071 29-70534 / Fax: +49 7071 29-5220 > EMail: muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de > WWW: http://net.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~muenz --Apple-Mail-16--247397060 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEaK4l4/8LCZ4pwvYRAm/EAJ4yvHnH7lQf5i5eadbwgxiiO0y8ZACeOer0 GPSImgXyiON/2qJ1Vq1Yl3E= =lO1R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-16--247397060-- -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 15 13:06:46 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfgWs-0001AS-V6 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 13:06:46 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfgWr-0007H9-LM for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 13:06:46 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FfgDS-0003aL-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:46:42 -0500 Received: from mx5.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.12.32]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FfgDQ-0003aD-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:46:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by mx5.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49811115; Mon, 15 May 2006 17:44:18 +0200 (MST) Received: from mx3.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.12.26]) by localhost (mx5 [134.2.12.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21976-03; Mon, 15 May 2006 17:44:15 +0200 (DFT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (rouen.Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.De [134.2.11.152]) by mx3.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A76EC141; Mon, 15 May 2006 17:44:14 +0200 (DFT) Message-ID: <4468A1A2.7080802@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:43:30 +0200 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Trammell Cc: Lutz Mark , "'Ipfix Wg' (E-mail) (E-mail)" , Andrew Johnson Subject: Re: [ipfix] Template ID scope in IPFIX protocol/architecture drafts References: <44688167.7050404@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <446894E4.2050804@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <6EFDFD7E-8FFE-4CF5-AF16-5EEF10482129@cert.org> In-Reply-To: <6EFDFD7E-8FFE-4CF5-AF16-5EEF10482129@cert.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms010104060100080202090706" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new (McAfee AntiVirus) at informatik.uni-tuebingen.de Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 825e642946eda55cd9bc654a36dab8c2 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010104060100080202090706 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brian, Brian Trammell wrote: > Actually, wouldn't it be Observation Domain IDs that are unique per > "session"? And multihomed collectors in the UDP case complicate this > even further - you really have to look at the destination address, too, > for UDP. >=20 > So it seems like the proper way to resolve this issue is to define a > "Session" (as an SCTP association, TCP connection, or UDP four-tuple an= d > timeout (ick!)), then define the Session to be the root scope, not the > exporter identifier. So, Observation Domain IDs are unique within the > Session, and all other scopes are unique within the Observation Domain = ID. >=20 > Thoughts? Ok, but without the timeout please. The timeout cannot be a distinctive property of a session. Gerhard --=20 Dipl.-Ing. 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= ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C67877.AD441780-- From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 15 22:20:33 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfpAn-0007NH-8C for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 22:20:33 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfpAl-0001fh-Vp for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 22:20:33 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Ffovs-0005CO-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 15 May 2006 21:05:08 -0500 Received: from 221x245x168x210.ap221.ftth.ucom.ne.jp ([221.245.168.210] helo=ober.mshindo.net) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Ffovr-0005CJ-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 15 May 2006 21:05:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (ober.mshindo.net [221.245.168.210]) by ober.mshindo.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7AD43367EF; Tue, 16 May 2006 11:09:28 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:22:21 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20060516.112221.37630106.mshindo@mshindo.net> To: quittek@netlab.nec.de Cc: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] Relationship between Metering Process and Observation Point From: Motonori Shindo In-Reply-To: References: <20060515.115206.93498954.mshindo@mshindo.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 5.0.50 on Emacs 21.4 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5a9a1bd6c2d06a21d748b7d0070ddcb8 Juergen, From: Juergen Quittek Subject: Re: [ipfix] Relationship between Metering Process and Observation Point Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 08:49:01 +0200 > Yes, you are right. IPFIX supports this. > But as you reasoned well, applications using this should be aware > of the implications. One of them is the potential of double counting. > There are cases where double counting can is intended and useful. > Still it is a potential source of misinterpretation of measured data. > But this is something that the IPFIX standard cannot and does not intend > to completely exclude. Most standard protocols can be used in a way > that is not recommendable. I agree. > If you go back to the RTFM architecture (RFC 2722), then you will find > the idea that different users of the same device want to apply different > metering rules for the same source of traffic, for example, by with > different applications that want to measure the same flow with different > sampling rates. You can discuss if this problem would be solved better > with a single or multiple metering processes for the same observation > point, but this is an implementation issue that IPFIX should not limit > in one way or the other. OK. > If we restrict an observation point to be observed by one metering > process only, we would unnecessarily rule out a PC runing more than > one IPFIX-compatible application on the same interface. In such a case, those metering processes are not likely to share the export process, are they? Anyway, I understand that, as seen in many other protocols, IPFIX is designed as much flexible as it can be and will not exclude any scenario unless it has an inherent drawback. > > Will anybody here kindly clarify this point? Thanks. > > Hope the text above helps. It really did. 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IPFIX supports this. >> But as you reasoned well, applications using this should be aware >> of the implications. One of them is the potential of double counting. >> There are cases where double counting can is intended and useful. >> Still it is a potential source of misinterpretation of measured data. >> But this is something that the IPFIX standard cannot and does not intend >> to completely exclude. Most standard protocols can be used in a way >> that is not recommendable. > > I agree. > >> If you go back to the RTFM architecture (RFC 2722), then you will find >> the idea that different users of the same device want to apply different >> metering rules for the same source of traffic, for example, by with >> different applications that want to measure the same flow with different >> sampling rates. 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(unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 16 May 2006 07:35:21 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 207.237.36.98 In-Reply-To: <7C4345DF0A743D117AD97605@[192.168.1.128]> References: <20060515.115206.93498954.mshindo@mshindo.net> <20060516.112221.37630106.mshindo@mshindo.net> <7C4345DF0A743D117AD97605@[192.168.1.128]> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: Motonori Shindo , ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Carter Bullard Subject: Re: [ipfix] Relationship between Metering Process and Observation Point Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 03:35:16 -0400 To: Juergen Quittek X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 7aafa0432175920a4b3e118e16c5cb64 Gentle people, On May 16, 2006, at 3:29 AM, Juergen Quittek wrote: > Shindo-san, > > --On 16.05.2006 11:22 Uhr +0900 Motonori Shindo wrote: >> >>> If we restrict an observation point to be observed by one metering >>> process only, we would unnecessarily rule out a PC runing more than >>> one IPFIX-compatible application on the same interface. >> >> In such a case, those metering processes are not likely to share the >> export process, are they? > > Right. Actually they are highly likely to use the same export process. > > Juergen > -- > Juergen Quittek quittek@netlab.nec.de Tel: +49 6221 > 4342-115 > NEC Europe Ltd., Network Laboratories Fax: +49 6221 > 4342-155 > Kurfuersten-Anlage 36, 69115 Heidelberg, Germany http:// > www.netlab.nec.de > > > -- > Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in > message body > Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say > "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body > Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ > Carter Bullard CEO/President QoSient, LLC 150 E. 57th Street Suite 12D New York, New York 10022 +1 212 588-9133 Phone +1 212 588-9134 Fax -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 16 04:27:08 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfutY-0002RW-Ma for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 04:27:08 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FfutX-0008R4-EM for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 04:27:08 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Ffuo2-0003vx-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 16 May 2006 03:21:26 -0500 Received: from 221x245x168x210.ap221.ftth.ucom.ne.jp ([221.245.168.210] helo=ober.mshindo.net) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Ffuo1-0003vs-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 16 May 2006 03:21:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (ober.mshindo.net [221.245.168.210]) by ober.mshindo.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E31E3367EF; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:25:50 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:49:59 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20060516.154959.61997002.mshindo@mshindo.net> To: carter@qosient.com Cc: quittek@netlab.nec.de, ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] Relationship between Metering Process and Observation Point From: Motonori Shindo In-Reply-To: References: <20060516.112221.37630106.mshindo@mshindo.net> <7C4345DF0A743D117AD97605@[192.168.1.128]> X-Mailer: Mew version 5.0.50 on Emacs 21.4 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 Folks, From: Carter Bullard Subject: Re: [ipfix] Relationship between Metering Process and Observation Point Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 03:35:16 -0400 > >>> If we restrict an observation point to be observed by one metering > >>> process only, we would unnecessarily rule out a PC runing more than > >>> one IPFIX-compatible application on the same interface. > >> > >> In such a case, those metering processes are not likely to share the > >> export process, are they? > > > > Right. > > Actually they are highly likely to use the same export process. If they are implemented as a user land process, metering processes that meters the same observation point are not likely to sahre the export process. If they are implemented as part of the kernel on the other hand, they may be likely to share the export process. Just my two cents. Regards, --- Motonori Shindo Chief Technology Officer Fivefront Corporation http://www.fivefront.com -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 16 05:29:12 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ffvrc-0002Uv-3Y for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 05:29:12 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ffvra-0002kh-Qo for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 05:29:12 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FfvmJ-0004r4-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 16 May 2006 04:23:43 -0500 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FfvmI-0004qz-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 16 May 2006 04:23:42 -0500 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.150]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 May 2006 11:23:41 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k4G9NfUE014394; Tue, 16 May 2006 11:23:41 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [144.254.153.30] (dhcp-144-254-153-30.cisco.com [144.254.153.30]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23734; Tue, 16 May 2006 10:23:40 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <44699A1B.8020709@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 10:23:39 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050811 Fedora/1.7.10-1.2.1.legacy X-Accept-Language: en-gb, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Motonori Shindo CC: carter@qosient.com, quittek@netlab.nec.de, ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] Relationship between Metering Process and Observation Point References: <20060516.112221.37630106.mshindo@mshindo.net> <7C4345DF0A743D117AD97605@[192.168.1.128]> <20060516.154959.61997002.mshindo@mshindo.net> In-Reply-To: <20060516.154959.61997002.mshindo@mshindo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Shindo-san, > If they are implemented as a user land process, metering processes > that meters the same observation point are not likely to sahre the > export process. If they are implemented as part of the kernel on the > other hand, they may be likely to share the export process. So it's an implimentation issue. The IPFIX protocol doesn't place any restrictions here. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 16 05:29:30 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ffvru-0002dX-Ig for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 05:29:30 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ffvru-0002lC-AZ for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 05:29:30 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Ffvm6-0004qu-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 16 May 2006 04:23:30 -0500 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Ffvm5-0004qp-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 16 May 2006 04:23:29 -0500 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.150]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 May 2006 11:23:28 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k4G9NQUE014327; Tue, 16 May 2006 11:23:27 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [144.254.153.30] (dhcp-144-254-153-30.cisco.com [144.254.153.30]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23713; Tue, 16 May 2006 10:23:24 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <44699A0C.1000807@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 10:23:24 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050811 Fedora/1.7.10-1.2.1.legacy X-Accept-Language: en-gb, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu CC: Carter Bullard , Juergen Quittek , Motonori Shindo Subject: Re: [ipfix] Relationship between Metering Process and Observation Point References: <20060515.115206.93498954.mshindo@mshindo.net> <20060516.112221.37630106.mshindo@mshindo.net> <7C4345DF0A743D117AD97605@[192.168.1.128]> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f Carter Bullard wrote: > Gentle people, > > On May 16, 2006, at 3:29 AM, Juergen Quittek wrote: > >> Shindo-san, >> >> --On 16.05.2006 11:22 Uhr +0900 Motonori Shindo wrote: >> >>> >>>> If we restrict an observation point to be observed by one metering >>>> process only, we would unnecessarily rule out a PC runing more than >>>> one IPFIX-compatible application on the same interface. >>> >>> >>> In such a case, those metering processes are not likely to share the >>> export process, are they? >> >> >> Right. > > > Actually they are highly likely to use the same export process. I agree. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C678B2.CA98A130-- From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 16 12:30:56 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fg2Rk-00076g-NY for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 12:30:56 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fg2Rj-00006b-Ea for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 12:30:56 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fg2Ee-0005Zu-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 16 May 2006 11:17:24 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fg2Ec-0005Zo-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 16 May 2006 11:17:23 -0500 Received: from [10.1.1.171] (mito.netlab.nec.de [195.37.70.39]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D30731BAC4D; Tue, 16 May 2006 18:09:42 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 18:17:19 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: Carter Bullard Cc: Motonori Shindo , ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] Relationship between Metering Process and Observation Point Message-ID: <4A6E869BDD2FF4E006EE3EC5@[10.1.1.171]> In-Reply-To: References: <20060515.115206.93498954.mshindo@mshindo.net> <20060516.112221.37630106.mshindo@mshindo.net> <7C4345DF0A743D117AD97605@[192.168.1.128]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 41c17b4b16d1eedaa8395c26e9a251c4 Hi Carter, --On 16.05.2006 3:35 Uhr -0400 Carter Bullard wrote: > Gentle people, > > On May 16, 2006, at 3:29 AM, Juergen Quittek wrote: > >> Shindo-san, >> >> --On 16.05.2006 11:22 Uhr +0900 Motonori Shindo wrote: >>> >>>> If we restrict an observation point to be observed by one metering >>>> process only, we would unnecessarily rule out a PC runing more than >>>> one IPFIX-compatible application on the same interface. >>> >>> In such a case, those metering processes are not likely to share the >>> export process, are they? >> >> Right. > > Actually they are highly likely to use the same export process. We were talking about two applications running on the same PC. For sharing one exporter we would need something like an IPFIX exporter library (or other interface). Do you expect such a library to be available soon? Thanks, Juergen >> >> Juergen >> -- >> Juergen Quittek quittek@netlab.nec.de Tel: +49 6221 >> 4342-115 >> NEC Europe Ltd., Network Laboratories Fax: +49 6221 >> 4342-155 >> Kurfuersten-Anlage 36, 69115 Heidelberg, Germany http:// >> www.netlab.nec.de >> >> >> -- >> Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in >> message body >> Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say >> "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body >> Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ >> > > Carter Bullard > CEO/President > QoSient, LLC > 150 E. 57th Street Suite 12D > New York, New York 10022 > > +1 212 588-9133 Phone > +1 212 588-9134 Fax > > -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From kassya@classicpkg.com Tue May 16 21:49:52 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FgBAe-0000ML-AE for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 21:49:52 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FgBAc-0006jl-VD for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 21:49:52 -0400 Received: from up.doit.wisc.edu ([144.92.9.73] helo=smtp.doit.wisc.edu) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FgAwd-0004g8-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 16 May 2006 20:35:23 -0500 Received: from classicpkg.com (oxford-bb-occam3-ws-33.dsl.maqs.net [66.187.45.34]) by smtp.doit.wisc.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id k4H1ZKkO028428 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 20:35:21 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c67951$a69803d0$b63ba8c0@qta55> Reply-To: "Kassy Chittenden" From: "Kassy Chittenden" To: ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: the crred Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 18:31:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C67916.FA392BD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 2.8 (++) X-Scan-Signature: bc6181926481d86059e678c9f7cb8b34 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C67916.FA392BD0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C67916.FA392BD0" ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C67916.FA392BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable go to the web site =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 places where the sunlight came again. 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places where the sunlight came again. But they did not know this, = and
they were burdened with the heavy body of Bombur, which they had to
carry along with them as best they could, taking the wearisome task = in
turns of four each while the others shared their packs. If these had = not
become all too light in the last few days, they would never have = managed
it; but a slumbering and smiling Bombur was a poor exchange for = packs
filled with food however heavy. In a few days a time came when there = was
practically nothing left to eat or to drink. Nothing wholesome could
they see growing in the woods, only funguses and herbs with pale = leaves
and unpleasant smell.
About four days from the enchanted stream they came to a part = where
most of the trees were beeches. They were at first inclined to be
cheered by the change, for here there was no undergrowth and the = shadow
was not so deep. There was a greenish light about them, and in = places
they could see some distance to either side of the path. Yet the = light
only showed them endless lines of straight grey trunks like the = pillars
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a descendant in long line of Girion, Lord of Dale, whose wife and = child
had escaped down the Running River from the ruin long ago. Now he = shot
with a great yew bow, till all his arrows but one were spent. The = flames
were near him. His companions were leaving him. He bent his bow for = the
last time. Suddenly out of the dark something fluttered to his = shoulder.
He started-but it was only an old thrush. Unafraid it perched by his = ear
and it brought him news. Marvelling he found he could understand its
tongue, for he was of the race of Dale.
Wait! Wait! it said to him. The moon is rising. Look for the
hollow of the left breast as he flies and turns above you! And while
Bard paused in wonder it told him of tidings up in the Mountain and = of
all that it had heard. Then Bard drew his bow-string to his ear. The
dragon was circling back, flying low, and as he came the moon rose = above
the eastern shore and silvered his great wings.
Arrow! said the bowman. Black arrow! I have saved you to the = last.
You have never failed me and always I have recovered you. I had you = from
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the water if he could help it. I imagine you know the answer, of = course,
or can guess it as easy as winking, since you are sitting comfortably = at
home and have not the danger of being eaten to disturb your = thinking.
Bilbo sat and cleared his throat once or twice, but no answer came.
After a while Gollum began to hiss with pleasure to himself: Is = it
nice, my preciousss? Is it juicy? Is it scrumptiously crunchable? He
began to peer at Bilbo out of the darkness.
Half a moment, said the hobbit shivering. I gave you a good long
chance just now.
It must make haste, haste! said Gollum, beginning to climb out of
his boat on to the shore to get at Bilbo. But when he put his long = webby
foot in the water, a fish jumped out in a fright and fell on Bilbos
toes. Ugh! he said, it is cold and clammy!-and so he guessed. Fish!
Fish! he cried. It is fish!
Gollum was dreadfully disappointed; but Bilbo asked another riddle = as
quick as ever be could, so that Gollum had to get back into his boat = and
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----- Original Message -----
the king.
I thought as much. I see I have some information you have not = got.
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= ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C67ECC.3D174080-- From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Wed May 24 04:43:59 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FioyF-0006cW-HB for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 24 May 2006 04:43:59 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FioyD-0002Rs-7X for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 24 May 2006 04:43:59 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FiouV-0002Bq-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Wed, 24 May 2006 03:40:08 -0500 Received: from odd-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.119] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FiouR-0002Ac-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Wed, 24 May 2006 03:40:03 -0500 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k4O8dxs12954; Wed, 24 May 2006 10:39:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.61.80.228] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4325.cisco.com [10.61.80.228]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k4O8dvC19056; Wed, 24 May 2006 10:39:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <44741BDD.90907@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 10:39:57 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek CC: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" , "'Ipfix Wg' (E-mail) (E-mail)" , "Dan Romascanu (E-mail)" , "David Kessens (E-mail)" Subject: Re: [ipfix] AD review for: draft-ietf-ipfix-info-11.txt -> INFO-AD2 References: <44513DFF.2070606@cisco.com> <1BBC6807F56F216356D18756@753F3B888A9969457862729D> In-Reply-To: <1BBC6807F56F216356D18756@753F3B888A9969457862729D> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 Juergen Quittek wrote: > Benoit, > > --On 27.04.2006 23:56 Uhr +0200 Benoit Claise wrote: >> >> Juergen, >> >>> >>> - INFO-AD#2: Does IE #42 exportedFlowTotalCount >>> report the number of flows or the number of flow records? >> = the number of flow records that have been exported. >> Example: for a long lived flow (longer than the active timeout >> value), we have multiple flow records > > I suggest keeping the description as it is. It is already correct: > "Description: > The total number of Flow Records that the Exporting Process > successfully sent as Data Records since the Exporting Process > (re-)initialization to the Collecting Process receiving a report > that contains this Information Element. The reported number > excludes flow records in the message that carries the counter > value." > > But we should change the IE name to exportedFlowRecordTotalCount. That clarifies, yes. Regards, Benoit. > > Thanks, > > Juergen -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Wed May 24 04:44:08 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FioyO-0006co-C7 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 24 May 2006 04:44:08 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FioyN-0002S7-IM for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 24 May 2006 04:44:08 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fiole-0000Gj-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Wed, 24 May 2006 03:30:58 -0500 Received: from odd-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.119] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FiolY-0000FM-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Wed, 24 May 2006 03:30:52 -0500 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k4O8Umt12375; Wed, 24 May 2006 10:30:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.61.80.228] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4325.cisco.com [10.61.80.228]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k4O8UjC12033; Wed, 24 May 2006 10:30:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <447419B4.4070801@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 10:30:44 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek CC: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" , "'Ipfix Wg' (E-mail) (E-mail)" , "Dan Romascanu (E-mail)" , "David Kessens (E-mail)" Subject: Re: [ipfix] AD review for: draft-ietf-ipfix-info-11.txt References: <6568A4DCD0BE1C9C5C1071AD@753F3B888A9969457862729D> In-Reply-To: <6568A4DCD0BE1C9C5C1071AD@753F3B888A9969457862729D> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 778b456acd32f555185589e04d062871 Juergen, > Benoit, > > Thank you for solving these issues. Please find > text suggestions inline. > > --On 27.04.2006 23:44 Uhr +0200 Benoit Claise wrote: > >> Hi Juergen, >>> Hi Bert, >>> >>> Many thanks for the detailed comments. >>> Please find replies inline. >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> Please check my replies and please speak up quickly >>> if you have problems with what I suggested. >>> >>> Most issues should be closed by the replies. >>> >>> The following ones definitely need further work. >>> I will address them in a follow-up message: >>> >>> - INFO-AD#1: Do reported statistics include or exclude the >>> reporting IPFIX message? Affected IEs are >>> # 40 exportedOctetTotalCount >>> # 41 exportedMessageTotalCount >>> # 42 exportedFlowTotalCount >> All of the counters exclude the reporting IPFIX Message > > Suggestion: > > append to description of #40 exportedOctetTotalCount > "The reported number excludes octets in the message that > carries the counter value." > > append to description of #41 exportedMessageTotalCount > "The reported number excludes the message that carries the > counter value." > > append to description of #40 exportedFlowTotalCount > "The reported number excludes flow records in the message > that carries the counter value." > >>> >>> - INFO-AD#2: Does IE #42 exportedFlowTotalCount >>> report the number of flows or the number of flow records? >>> >>> - INFO-AD#3: Is it OK to change dataty of IEs >>> # 16 bgpSourceAsNumber >>> # 17 bgpDestinationAsNumber >>> from unsiogned16 to unsigned32? >> RFC 3954 specifies already 32 bits >> >> Source BGP autonomous >> SRC_AS 16 N system number where N could >> be 2 or 4. By default N is >> 2 >> >> Destination BGP autonomous >> DST_AS 17 N system number where N could >> be 2 or 4. By default N is >> 2 >> >> Anyway, we've got the reduced size encoding, so unsigned32 makes sense. > > Good. > >>> >>> - INFO-AD#4: How to add new label types to the definition of >>> IE #46 mplsTopLabelType? >> The references from RFC 3954 have been assigned by the NetFlow >> development team >> >> MPLS_TOP_LABEL_TYPE 46 1 MPLS Top Label Type: >> 0x00 UNKNOWN >> 0x01 TE-MIDPT >> 0x02 ATOM >> 0x03 VPN >> 0x04 BGP >> 0x05 LDP >> >> I could not find any IANA registry for that. >> So I guess we have only one choice, i.e. assign a new registry for it >> in IANA. > > Would this be worth the effort? Do we have another solution? Regards, Benoit. > > Thanks, > > Juergen > >> Regards, Benoit. >>> >>> - INFO-AD#5: Explain in the capabilities and limitations of the >>> different dateTimeXX data types. >>> >>> - INFO-AD#6: >>> Review last paragraph of section 7. >>> >>> - INFO-AD#7: >>> Elaborate security considerations >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Juergen >>> >>> >>>> - sect 5.5.x >>>> Would it be useful to add a line of text to explain how long >>>> (how many minutes, months, years) each granularity allows >>>> based on the underlying datatype? >>> >>> I will work on a text suggestion. >>> >>> >>> --On 17.03.2006 17:42 Uhr +0100 Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote: >>> >>>> Sorry that it took so long (if I say it 4 times, i.e. >>>> for each doc I have reviewed, will you please forgive me). >>>> >>>> Seems that a new rev might be in order ?? >>>> >>>> Bert >>>> >>>> - bottom of page 8. enterpriseId - >>>> it speaks about "Information Element Identifier described above" >>>> I do not see where "above" it is described. In fact, I think the >>>> Identifier is described in sect 4, no? >>> >>> Oooops, the Element Id is a mandatory element and not listed above. >>> This was a problem of the code generating this section from the schema. >>> Now, the list of mandatory IE properties contains in addition between >>> 'name' and 'description' the following property: >>> >>> "elementId - A numeric identifier of the Information Element. If this >>> identifier is used without an enterprise identifier (see below), >>> then it is globally unique and the list of allowed values is >>> administered by IANA. It is used for compact identification of an >>> Information Element when encoding templates in the protocol." >>> >>>> - In the 3 paragraphs of sect 3 and 3.1, I would insert the word >>>> "abstract" >>>> in from of each occurrence of "data type(s)". >>>> Also the title of sect 3.1 probably reads better as "Abstract Data >>>> Types". >>> >>> done. >>> >>>> - sect 3.1.9 >>>> "it is expected that strings will be encoded in UTF-8" >>>> That does not make it interoperable, does it? >>>> Would it not be better to say "strings MUST be encoded..." >>>> And I would add a citation and reference to RFC3629. >>> >>> done. >>> added RFC3629 as normative reference. >>> >>>> - sect 3.2 >>>> s/future protocol extensions/future information model extensions/ ?? >>> >>> fixed, and also in section 3.1. >>> >>>> - page 16 >>>> What are ID 211 and 212 ?? blank ?? reserved?? something else? >>>> I see the explanation on page 17. I'd suggest to make them RESERVED >>>> or OBSOLLETE or DEPRECATEd or give them some name with the note >>>> that they are not part of the standard. >>> >>> I used RESERVED. Maybe we can solve the issues of these two elements >>> before submitting the next version. >>> >>>> - section 5 1st sentence >>>> s/Flow attributes/Information Elements/ ?? >>> >>> fixed. >>> >>>> - sections 5.1.3, 5.1.4., 5.1.5 and 5.1.6 >>>> I worry about referential integrety when the ifIndex gets stored >>>> in offline/archive storage. On a reboot, many devices renumber the >>>> ifIndex for various interfaces. >>>> Is this not a problem? I'd think it is at least something to >>>> mention/discuss/warn for. >>> >>> added >>> >>> "Please note that ifIndex >>> values are not assigned statically to an interface. >>> Interfaces may be renumbered every time the device is >>> rebooted." >>> >>> to the description of 5.1.3 and 5.1.4. >>> >>> added >>> >>> "Please note that >>> process identifiers are typically assigned dynamically. >>> After a reboot, a system failure, a crash of the Metering >>> Process, etc. the Metering Process may be re-started >>> with a different ID. >>> >>> to the description of 5.1.5 and 5.1.6. For 5.1.6 "Metering" >>> was replaced with "Exporting". >>> >>>> - sect 5.2.3 >>>> Is the message that contains this Information Element included in >>>> the >>>> count?? May want to make that clear for better interoperability. >>>> Same for some of the other exportXXXCounters >>> >>> INFO-AD#1: >>> These IEs are specified to be compatible with NetFlow v9. >>> I'm checking with my co-authors from Cisco which alternative >>> was chosen for NF v9. >>> >>> When I have this information, I will remove the ambiguity >>> from the descriptions of IEs >>> # 40 exportedOctetTotalCount >>> # 41 exportedMessageTotalCount >>> # 42 exportedFlowTotalCount >>> >>>> - sect 5.2.5 >>>> Text says: number of flow records >>>> But in Units it says: flows >>>> So what is it? >>>> Same for sect 5.2.9 >>> >>> INFO-AD#2: >>> This is another NF v9 compatible IE. As above, I will check >>> and make sure that description and units are consistent. >>> >>>> - sect 5.2.8 >>>> Does the count include header octets? >>> >>> added clarification: >>> >>> OLD >>> Description: >>> The total number of octets in observed IP packets that the >>> Metering Process did not process since the (re-)initialization of >>> the Metering Process. >>> NEW >>> Description: >>> The total number of octets in observed IP packets (including the >>> IP header) that the Metering Process did not process since the >>> (re-)initialization of the Metering Process. >>> >>>> - sect 5.2.12 >>>> It is not clear/sopecific as to which bit is bit zero, bit one etc. >>> >>> I am not sure what is the problem here, but I tried to clarify >>> the description: >>> >>> OLD >>> Description: >>> This set of bit fields is used for marking the Information >>> Elements of a Data Record that serve as Flow Key. Each bit >>> represents an Information Element in the Data Record with the n-th >>> bit representing the n-th Information Element. A set bit with >>> value 1 indicates that the corresponding Information element is a >>> Flow Key of the reported Flow. A value of 0 indicates that this >>> is not the case. ... >>> NEW >>> Description: >>> This set of bit fields is used for marking the Information >>> Elements of a Data Record that serve as Flow Key. Each bit >>> represents an Information Element in the Data Record with the n-th >>> bit representing the n-th Information Element. A bit set to value >>> 1 indicates that the corresponding Information element is a Flow >>> Key of the reported Flow. A bit set to value 0 indicates that >>> this is not the case. >>> >>>> - Sect 5.2.3 and 5.2.5 >>>> Is it best to speak about Mask? >>>> Or would speaking of (and naming it) PrefixLength be better? >>> >>> renamed sourceIPv4Mask to sourceIPv4PrefixLength >>> and sourceIPv6Mask to sourceIPv6PrefixLength >>> >>>> - Sect 5.6.3 >>>> I worry about the fact that there is discussion already about AS >>>> numbers >>>> of 32-bit length. So are we future proof here? >>>> In the MIB/SMI world we have made it a 32bit unsigned, see >>>> InetAutonomousSystemNumber in RFC4001. >>> >>> INFO-AD#3: >>> change data type of >>> # 16 bgpSourceAsNumber >>> # 17 bgpDestinationAsNumber >>> # 128 bgpNextAdjacentAsNumber >>> # 129 bgpPrevAdjacentAsNumber >>> from unsigned16 to unsigned32. >>> >>>> - sect 5.6.9 >>>> How are new values of Labeltypes be added in the future? >>>> last line in this section, remove "and IP addresses" ?? >>> >>> INFO-AD#4: >>> I have no good answer on this comment. Does anyone else have? >>> >>>> - sect 5.8 >>>> Just for my understanding, why do you need all 4 levels >>>> of granularity here (i.e. sec, milisec, microsec and nanosec)?? >>> >>> For efficient reporting from probes with different precisions and for >>> applications with different precision requirements. >>> >>>> - sect 5.5.x >>>> Would it be useful to add a line of text to explain how long >>>> (how many minutes, months, years) each granularity allows >>>> based on the underlying datatype? >>> >>> INFO-AD#5: >>> I will work on a text suggestion. We avoid duplication if we put >>> this text to the data type descriptions in section 3.1. >>> >>>> - sect 5.9.11 to 5.9.14 >>>> I wondered if it makes sense to say some thing more about >>>> "packet treatment". Like what sort of treatment? Any >>>> reference to an RFC? >>> >>> We discussed this issue several times in the past, but did not >>> find a good solution for it. >>> >>>> - sect 5.10.2 speaks about flowInactiveTimeout while sect 5.10.3 >>>> speaks about idle timeout. Should you have flowIdleTimeout >>>> instead of flowInactievTimeout for consistency? >>> >>> renamed flowInactiveTimeout to flowIdleTimeout. >>> >>>> - sect 5.10.11 >>>> Make it clear that the value is hex 00 (0 could be read >>>> as decimal zero) >>> >>> OLD >>> 5.11.1. paddingOctets >>> >>> Description: >>> The value of this Information Element is always 0. >>> NEW >>> 5.11.1. paddingOctets >>> >>> Description: >>> The value of this Information Element is always a sequence of 0x00 >>> values. >>> >>>> - sect 6, page 69 >>>> I think I would make it MUST instead of SHOULD in 2nd >>>> and 3rd para. >>> >>> These paragraphs are >>> >>> "Names of new Information Elements SHOULD be chosen according to the >>> naming conventions given in section 2.3. >>> >>> For extensions, the type space defined in section 3 can be used. If >>> required, new data types can be added. New data types SHOULD be >>> defined in IETF standards track documents." >>> >>> For IE naming I think that a SHOULD is OK, because fully consistent IE >>> naming appears to be very difficult. There might be situations where >>> deviations from a fixed scheme improve the readability and intuitive >>> understanding of IE semantics. For example we inconsistently use >>> "IPv4" >>> instead of "IpV4" in IE names, because several people did not like >>> "IpV4". >>> >>> For new data types I agree. Changed SHOULD to MUST. >>> >>>> - sect 7 >>>> first para, pls add a ptr to the list of Information >>>> Element Identifiers that need to be recorded as the >>>> initially assigned values for this registry. >>>> I guess you need to point them to sect 4. >>>> I doubt it is clear to IANA though what exactly to record >>>> from that section. You can check directly with iana to >>>> ask if things are clear or not and if not to work out >>>> text with them that they understand. >>> >>> I tried to address this comment: >>> OLD >>> 7. IANA Considerations >>> >>> This documents defines an initial set of IPFIX Information Elements. >>> For extending them in the future, IANA needs to create a new registry >>> for IPFIX Information Element identifiers. >>> >>> New assignments for IPFIX Information Elements will be administered >>> by IANA, on a First Come First Served basis [RFC2434], subject to >>> Expert Review [RFC2434], i.e. review by one of a group of experts >>> designated by an IETF Operations and Management Area Director. The >>> group of experts must double check the Information Elements >>> definitions with already defined Information Elements for >>> completeness, accuracy, redundancy, and correct naming following the >>> naming conventions in section 2.3. Those experts will initially be >>> drawn from the Working Group Chairs and document editors of the IPFIX >>> and PSAMP Working Groups. >>> >>> Appendix B defines an XML schema which may be used to create >>> consistent machine readable extensions to the IPFIX information >>> model. This schema introduces a new namespace, which will be >>> assigned by IANA according to RFC 3688. Currently the name space for >>> this schema is identified as http://www.ietf.org/ipfix. >>> NEW >>> 7. IANA Considerations >>> >>> This document specifies an initial set of IPFIX Information Elements. >>> The list of these Information Elements with their identifiers is >>> given in section 4. IANA needs to create a new registry for IPFIX >>> Information Element identifiers and fill it with the initial list in >>> section 4. >>> >>> New assignments for IPFIX Information Elements will be administered >>> by IANA, on a First Come First Served basis [RFC2434], subject to >>> Expert Review [RFC2434], i.e. review by one of a group of experts >>> designated by an IETF Operations and Management Area Director. The >>> group of experts must double check the Information Elements >>> definitions with already defined Information Elements for >>> completeness, accuracy, redundancy, and correct naming following the >>> naming conventions in section 2.3. The specification of new IPFIX >>> Information Elements MUST use the template specified in section 2.1 >>> and MUST be published using a well established and persistent >>> publication medium. The experts will initially be drawn from the >>> Working Group Chairs and document editors of the IPFIX and PSAMP >>> Working Groups. >>> >>> Appendix B defines an XML schema which may be used to create >>> consistent machine readable extensions to the IPFIX information >>> >>>> I wonder if it would not be much better to have new >>>> Information Elements require a Standards Track action. >>>> I think that ensure much better review and evaluation >>>> and certainly ensure well-documented registrations. >>> >>> We discussed the issue several times and concluded that this >>> procedure would be too time consuming and too slow. >>> >>>> In any event, if you do do FCFS with expert review, >>>> then I would >>>> - require proper documentation to be publicly available >>>> - maybe setup some sort of template that MUST be filled >>>> out and approved to request registration. >>> >>> I added these two requirements to the new version of section 7 >>> that you find above. >>> >>>> You speak about an Appendix B as having a schema/example >>>> on how to extend. It is however (I think) the Schema >>>> for the currently assigned values. >>> >>> INFO-AD#6: >>> Yes, but it should also be used for extensions. However, I >>> still need to investigate the XML schema issues that you posted >>> in a different email. I will come back to this issue, when >>> the XML schema issue is closed. >>> >>>> - Sect 8. >>>> I am pretty sure that the Security ADs will want to see >>>> more detail here. They probably want to understand which >>>> Information Elements contain sensitive data (and why it >>>> is sensitive) or privacy sensitive data (and why so). >>>> Probably similar to why they want to see that a MIB >>>> document lists the objects that are sensitive and >>>> why so and what the risks are if the data gets >>>> intercepted. >>> >>> INFO-AD#7: >>> Let's come back to this after the security AD review. >>> >>>> - Appendix A and B >>>> I am a bit confused when I read as title >>>> "Formal Specification..." and then in the first para >>>> I read that it is informational and not normative. >>>> >>>> If it is a "formal machine readable spec.." is it then not >>>> intended as input to tools, code-generators, data-structure >>>> generators and such? In that case I would be very worried >>>> if no this schema but the text earlier in the document >>>> is normative and authoritative. >>> >>> It is not a formal specification. But it is machine readable >>> and intended as input to tools. In one of the many passed >>> IPFIX sessions and on the mailing list we discussed the issue >>> and concluded that the text in section 5, which is generated >>> from the appendix with a tool would be normative, because this >>> is human readable. >>> >>>> Anyway, I asked an APPS AD if he could check the "formal" >>>> machine readable schema, but he does not recognize it as >>>> a schema that can be checked by any of his tools. So >>>> what is it? How can we (or anyone) check it for correctness? >>> >>> We got this review in a separate email. >>> Issues raised will be addressed in a reply to it. >>> >>>> administrative/bureaucracy/nits/spelling: >>>> >>>> - sect 5.10.4 >>>> >>>> "bewtween in time" in first sentence ?? >>> >>> fixed. >>> >>>> same in sect 5.10.5 >>> >>> fixed. >>> >>>> - 3rd para in sect 1. I suspect that the ptrs to the various sections >>>> do not completely match with the actual content claimed to be >>>> in those sections. Specifically, the ptrs to 4 and 5 should probably >>>> be 5 and 6 ?? >>> >>> fixed. >>> >>>> - I see that you use MUST (i.e. rfc2119 type) language and >>>> so there MUST be a normative citation/reference to RFC2119. >>> >>> added. >>> >>>> - problems with references/citations. >>>> Note that my tool may give false warnings, so just check >>>> them. >>> >>> In most of the cases below we cited "see RFC XXXX" in the >>> reference section. I replaced all these references with >>> "see RFC XXXX [RFCXXXX]". >>> >>>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>>> P071 L006: [IEEE.802-11.1999] >>>> >>>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>>> P071 L015: [IEEE.802-3.2002] >>>> >>>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>>> P071 L023: [IEEE.P802-1Q.2003] >>>> >>>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>>> P072 L026: [RFC2460] Deering, S. and R. Hinden, "Internet >>>> Protocol, Version 6 >>>> >>>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>>> P072 L029: [RFC2463] Conta, A. and S. Deering, "Internet >>>> Control Message >>>> >>>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>>> P072 L033: [RFC2547] Rosen, E. and Y. Rekhter, "BGP/MPLS VPNs", >>>> RFC 2547, >>>> >>>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>>> P072 L036: [RFC2629] Rose, M., "Writing I-Ds and RFCs using >>>> XML", RFC 2629, >>>> >>>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>>> P072 L039: [RFC2863] McCloghrie, K. and F. Kastenholz, "The >>>> Interfaces Group >>>> >>>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>>> P072 L042: [RFC2960] Stewart, R., Xie, Q., Morneault, K., >>>> Sharp, C., >>>> >>>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>>> P072 L047: [RFC3031] Rosen, E., Viswanathan, A., and R. Callon, >>>> "Multiprotocol >>>> >>>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>>> P072 L050: [RFC3032] Rosen, E., Tappan, D., Fedorkow, G., >>>> Rekhter, Y., >>>> >>>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>>> P073 L006: [RFC3036] Andersson, L., Doolan, P., Feldman, N., >>>> Fredette, A., and >>>> >>>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>>> P073 L012: [RFC3260] Grossman, D., "New Terminology and >>>> Clarifications for >>> >>> The three references below are not cited. removed them. >>> >>>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>>> P073 L015: [RFC3667] Bradner, S., "IETF Rights in >>>> Contributions", RFC 3667, >>>> >>>> !! Missing citation for Informative reference: >>>> P073 L018: [RFC3668] Bradner, S., "Intellectual Property Rights >>>> in IETF >>>> >>>> !! 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C67F9F.A6ECC420-- From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Thu May 25 11:06:52 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FjHQK-0000L8-Qp for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 25 May 2006 11:06:52 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FjHQJ-0000xI-Hs for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 25 May 2006 11:06:52 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FjGn6-0004RH-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 25 May 2006 09:26:20 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FjGn4-0004R0-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 25 May 2006 09:26:18 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.130] (HSI-KBW-085-216-002-068.hsi.kabelbw.de [85.216.2.68]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DB2C1BAC4D; Thu, 25 May 2006 16:17:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:26:14 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: Benoit Claise Cc: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" , "'Ipfix Wg' (E-mail) (E-mail)" , "Dan Romascanu (E-mail)" , "David Kessens (E-mail)" Subject: INFO-AD#4, was Re: [ipfix] AD review for: draft-ietf-ipfix-info-11.txt Message-ID: <7930A36E6DCDB76DF62EB1ED@[192.168.1.130]> In-Reply-To: <447419B4.4070801@cisco.com> References: <6568A4DCD0BE1C9C5C1071AD@753F3B888A9969457862729D> <447419B4.4070801@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b4a0a5f5992e2a4954405484e7717d8c Benoit, --On 24.05.2006 10:30 Uhr +0200 Benoit Claise wrote: > >>>> - INFO-AD#4: How to add new label types to the definition of >>>> IE #46 mplsTopLabelType? >>> The references from RFC 3954 have been assigned by the NetFlow >>> development team >>> >>> MPLS_TOP_LABEL_TYPE 46 1 MPLS Top Label Type: >>> 0x00 UNKNOWN >>> 0x01 TE-MIDPT >>> 0x02 ATOM >>> 0x03 VPN >>> 0x04 BGP >>> 0x05 LDP >>> >>> I could not find any IANA registry for that. >>> So I guess we have only one choice, i.e. assign a new registry for it >>> in IANA. >> >> Would this be worth the effort? > Do we have another solution? The alternative would be a fixed list that cannot be extended. We could add a value '0x06 other' for cases not known today. If we decide to go to IANA, we probably would have to revise the IE definition in order to avoid ambiguities: The current definition says: - 0x01 TE-MIDPT: Any TE tunnel mid-point or tail label - 0x02 Pseudowire: Any PWE3 or Cisco AToM based label - 0x03 VPN: Any label associated with VPN - 0x04 BGP: Any label associated with BGP or BGP routing - 0x05 LDP: Any label associated with dynamically assigned labels using LDP sub-issue 1: We should add value 0x00 for unknown types. I will do so. sub-issue 2: Shall we add a value for known but not encoded types, for example, by adding "0x06 other label types"? sub-issue 3: We should eliminate potential ambiguities. "Any label associated with ..." seems to be a bit vague. Can we exclude that labels for TE tunnel, PW3, VPNs are created using LDP? If not we should comment on this case, for example by requesting that the lowest (or highest?) matching type number should be used in cases where more than one applies. sub-issue 4: Has anyone yet checked if there is any MIB module that defines something like an MPLS label type? If yes, we might find useful hints there. If not, I wonder why MPLS manaement systems do not find this information useful. Thanks, Juergen > Regards, Benoit. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Thu May 25 22:15:41 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FjRrZ-0008WM-6U for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 25 May 2006 22:15:41 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FjRrW-0003Ef-Tq for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 25 May 2006 22:15:41 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FjRF7-0007hK-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 25 May 2006 20:35:57 -0500 Received: from mail.nttv6.net ([192.68.245.115]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FjRF5-0007gx-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 25 May 2006 20:35:55 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dhcp-3-107.nttv6.com [192.47.163.107]) by mail.nttv6.net (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k4Q1ZZXd005637; Fri, 26 May 2006 10:35:41 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from akoba@nttv6.net) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:35:43 +0900 From: kobayashi atsushi To: Juergen Quittek Subject: Re: INFO-AD#4, was Re: [ipfix] AD review for: draft-ietf-ipfix-info-11.txt Cc: Benoit Claise , "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" , "'Ipfix Wg' (E-mail) (E-mail)" , "Dan Romascanu (E-mail)" , "David Kessens (E-mail)" In-Reply-To: <7930A36E6DCDB76DF62EB1ED@[192.168.1.130]> References: <447419B4.4070801@cisco.com> <7930A36E6DCDB76DF62EB1ED@[192.168.1.130]> Message-Id: <20060526102858.59FA.AKOBA@nttv6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.12.01 [ja] Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa Hello, I'm sorry to interrupt your discussion. On Thu, 25 May 2006 16:26:14 +0200 Juergen Quittek wrote: > sub-issue 4: Has anyone yet checked if there is any MIB module that > defines something like an MPLS label type? If yes, > we might find useful hints there. If not, I wonder why > MPLS manaement systems do not find this information useful. I have lightly checked relationship between IPFIX informtion element and MPLS-MIB. I couldn't find such a MPLS label type object from MPLS-MIB. But, in my opinion, it is useful information that we can find which MIB modules should be selected when we collect other information from MIB. For example, if this type is TE-MIDPT, we can get related TE informations from MPLS-TE-MIB. If it is LDP, we can select MPLS-LSR-MIB. If it is PW, we can select MPLS-PW-MIB. If it is BGP, we can't select particular MIB. In that case, there is not particular MIB and it is only method that we search information from BGP full dump. I think that this type is more useful if this type is related with each MIB module. I felt that 0x03 VPN type is vague, in that point. 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You are very welcome. > On Thu, 25 May 2006 16:26:14 +0200 > Juergen Quittek wrote: >> sub-issue 4: Has anyone yet checked if there is any MIB module that >> defines something like an MPLS label type? If yes, >> we might find useful hints there. If not, I wonder why >> MPLS manaement systems do not find this information useful. > > I have lightly checked relationship between IPFIX informtion element and MPLS-MIB. > I couldn't find such a MPLS label type object from MPLS-MIB. Thank you for this investigation. > But, in my opinion, it is useful information that we can find which MIB > modules should be selected when we collect other information from MIB. > > For example, if this type is TE-MIDPT, we can get related TE > informations from MPLS-TE-MIB. If it is LDP, we can select MPLS-LSR-MIB. > If it is PW, we can select MPLS-PW-MIB. If it is BGP, we can't select > particular MIB. In that case, there is not particular MIB and it is only > method that we search information from BGP full dump. > > I think that this type is more useful if this type is related with each MIB > module. I felt that 0x03 VPN type is vague, in that point. Would you (or someone else) have a suggestion how to improve the description of this type? Thanks, Juergen > Thanks, > Atsushi KOBAYASHI > > > > > > --- > Atsushi KOBAYASHI > NTT Information Sharing Platform Lab. > tel:+81-(0)422-59-3978 fax:+81-(0)422-59-5652 > > -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Fri May 26 00:35:16 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FjU2e-0001SC-1z for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 26 May 2006 00:35:16 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FjU2c-0007q6-O5 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 26 May 2006 00:35:16 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FjTwo-00036n-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 25 May 2006 23:29:14 -0500 Received: from mail.nttv6.net ([192.68.245.115]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FjTwm-00036g-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Thu, 25 May 2006 23:29:13 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dhcp-3-107.nttv6.com [192.47.163.107]) by mail.nttv6.net (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k4Q4SVuv006982; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:28:34 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from akoba@nttv6.net) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:28:36 +0900 From: kobayashi atsushi To: Juergen Quittek Subject: Re[2]: INFO-AD#4, was Re: [ipfix] AD review for: draft-ietf-ipfix-info-11.txt Cc: Benoit Claise , "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" , "'Ipfix Wg' (E-mail) (E-mail)" , "Dan Romascanu (E-mail)" , "David Kessens (E-mail)" In-Reply-To: <033887163C3F804143C0C0B1@[192.168.1.130]> References: <20060526102858.59FA.AKOBA@nttv6.net> <033887163C3F804143C0C0B1@[192.168.1.130]> Message-Id: <20060526122230.5A02.AKOBA@nttv6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.12.01 [ja] Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c0bedb65cce30976f0bf60a0a39edea4 Dear Juergen, This type seems to present what protocols allocates this label and how to allocate it. I can find that this label is allocated by RSVP-TE, if this type is 0x01 TE-MIDPT. In the case of 0x02 PW, it is allocated by target-LDP with VCID. But, in the case of 0x03 VPN, I don't sure what protocols allocates this label. It can apply several patterns, for example, there are L3VPN, PW, VPLS. I would like to eliminate such vague in this type, if it is not clear. If I receive 0x03 VPN, I cannot decide which MIB modules should be selected. Thanks, Atsushi KOBAYASHI > > For example, if this type is TE-MIDPT, we can get related TE > > informations from MPLS-TE-MIB. If it is LDP, we can select MPLS-LSR-MIB. > > If it is PW, we can select MPLS-PW-MIB. If it is BGP, we can't select > > particular MIB. In that case, there is not particular MIB and it is only > > method that we search information from BGP full dump. > > > > I think that this type is more useful if this type is related with each MIB > > module. I felt that 0x03 VPN type is vague, in that point. > > Would you (or someone else) have a suggestion how to improve the description > of this type? > > Thanks, > > Juergen > > > Thanks, > > Atsushi KOBAYASHI > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Atsushi KOBAYASHI > > NTT Information Sharing Platform Lab. > > tel:+81-(0)422-59-3978 fax:+81-(0)422-59-5652 > > > > > > > > -- > Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body > Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say > "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body > Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ --- Atsushi KOBAYASHI NTT Information Sharing Platform Lab. tel:+81-(0)422-59-3978 fax:+81-(0)422-59-5652 -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Fri May 26 05:09:18 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FjYJq-00037H-31 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 26 May 2006 05:09:18 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FjYJo-0008Tc-PH for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 26 May 2006 05:09:18 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FjYFh-0001LY-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 26 May 2006 04:05:01 -0500 Received: from mail.nttv6.net ([192.68.245.115]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FjYFf-0001Ky-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 26 May 2006 04:04:59 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dhcp-3-107.nttv6.com [192.47.163.107]) by mail.nttv6.net (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k4Q94qsl010954; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:04:58 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from akoba@nttv6.net) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 18:04:52 +0900 From: kobayashi atsushi To: Juergen Quittek Subject: Re[2]: [ipfix] Relationship between Metering Process and Observation Point Cc: Carter Bullard , Motonori Shindo , ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu In-Reply-To: <4A6E869BDD2FF4E006EE3EC5@[10.1.1.171]> References: <4A6E869BDD2FF4E006EE3EC5@[10.1.1.171]> Message-Id: <20060526174524.5A10.AKOBA@nttv6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.12.01 [ja] Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 944ecb6e61f753561f559a497458fb4f Dear all, I'm sorry for late reply. I confused a little about this discussion. With regard to PSAMP, I think that each measurement processes are allowed to select each exporting processes, if one observation point shares two measurement processes. Of course, we can select one exporting processes, too. If one observation point shares two measurement process, two measurement processes are likely to be created by different purpose. There are QoS measurement or anomaly detection. In that case, different exporting processes are likely to be selected. In PSAMP-MIB, we can configure above conditions. In IPFIX, it is not configurable architecture. Is such reletionship implementation matter? Thank you, Atsushi KOBAYASHI On Tue, 16 May 2006 18:17:19 +0200 Juergen Quittek wrote: > Hi Carter, > > --On 16.05.2006 3:35 Uhr -0400 Carter Bullard wrote: > > > Gentle people, > > > > On May 16, 2006, at 3:29 AM, Juergen Quittek wrote: > > > >> Shindo-san, > >> > >> --On 16.05.2006 11:22 Uhr +0900 Motonori Shindo wrote: > >>> > >>>> If we restrict an observation point to be observed by one metering > >>>> process only, we would unnecessarily rule out a PC runing more than > >>>> one IPFIX-compatible application on the same interface. > >>> > >>> In such a case, those metering processes are not likely to share the > >>> export process, are they? > >> > >> Right. > > > > Actually they are highly likely to use the same export process. > > We were talking about two applications running on the same PC. > > For sharing one exporter we would need something like an IPFIX exporter > library (or other interface). Do you expect such a library to be > available soon? > > Thanks, > > Juergen > >> > >> Juergen > >> -- > >> Juergen Quittek quittek@netlab.nec.de Tel: +49 6221 > >> 4342-115 > >> NEC Europe Ltd., Network Laboratories Fax: +49 6221 > >> 4342-155 > >> Kurfuersten-Anlage 36, 69115 Heidelberg, Germany http:// > >> www.netlab.nec.de > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in > >> message body > >> Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say > >> "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body > >> Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ > >> > > > > Carter Bullard > > CEO/President > > QoSient, LLC > > 150 E. 57th Street Suite 12D > > New York, New York 10022 > > > > +1 212 588-9133 Phone > > +1 212 588-9134 Fax > > > > > > > > -- > Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body > Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say > "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body > Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ --- Atsushi KOBAYASHI NTT Information Sharing Platform Lab. tel:+81-(0)422-59-3978 fax:+81-(0)422-59-5652 -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From franciscaubor@jakesteed.com Fri May 26 10:52:35 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fjdg3-0008Qc-4H for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 26 May 2006 10:52:35 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fjdg0-00034J-Om for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 26 May 2006 10:52:35 -0400 Received: from up.doit.wisc.edu ([144.92.9.73] helo=smtp.doit.wisc.edu) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fjd2W-0007lx-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Fri, 26 May 2006 09:11:44 -0500 Received: from jakesteed.com (71-212-12-245.tukw.qwest.net [71.212.12.245]) by smtp.doit.wisc.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id k4QEBhxC010252 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 09:11:43 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c680ce$571d3cb0$0696a8c0@bca11> Reply-To: "Francisca Boruff" From: "Francisca Boruff" To: ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu Subject: unoffendin occlud credit Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 07:11:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C68093.AABE64B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 1c0c3d540ad9f95212b1c2a9a2cc2595 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C68093.AABE64B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable D d ea l r H g om r e O q wn j er, Your c m re z di z t doesn't matter to us! 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return to his golden bed, but was = stretched cold as stone, twisted upon
the floor of the shallows. = There for ages his huge bones could be seen =
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Subj.: So Where Are You In YOUR Career?

Whether you're still in college, an Experienced Sales Rep, or looking to Re-enter the Workplace, EastCollect offers exciting opportunities for people at all stages of their career.

So where are you in your career? (click below to select)

-College Student

-Recent College Graduate

-Experienced Sales Rep

-Looking for a New Career

-Stay-at-home Parent Re-entering the Workplace

-Wanting to Make More Money
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-College Student

You're still in school, and your hours are limited. We offer college students entering their junior and senior year valuable internships where they learn highly marketable skills pertaining to every aspect of running a successful business.

An EastCollect internship will also teach you new skills, deepen your education with real-world applications, and open doors for you into the business world for when you graduate. Contact us for more information.

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-Recent College Graduate

You've got your degree in hand: What next? If you’re light on job experience but heavy on enthusiasm, energy and big dreams, look to EastCollect to begin your successful new career.

EastCollect offers you an unlimited income—despite a young age or lack of work history. All that’s required is Ambition, Professionalism, and the Willingness to plan for and meet your goals.

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-Experienced Sales Rep

You know you can sell. You've got a proven track record, the personality and the energy to make things happen. You just need a product or service you can be proud of; something that you can count on to take you to the next level.

And you've found it with EastCollect Ltd.

Explore the Rewards, Support, and the many other Advantages available to you at EastCollect. We're excited to have you consider us!

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-Looking for a New Career

Maybe you've been floating around from job to job, and have just been unable to find the perfect fit. Perhaps you’re single-minded on what you want and need, and won’t settle for less. Or maybe you’re somewhere in between?

EastCollect has the perfect job for you because you design it! You choose your career path, your hours, and the kind of contribution you want to make in terms of time and effort. You call the shots—deciding how much free time you want to allot for family, friends, sports, etc.

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-Stay-at-home Parent Re-entering the Workplace

It's been awhile since you've been in the workplace. Perhaps you're feeling a little nervous, wondering if you still can after all of these years? You do know this about yourself, however: You're a Smart, Caring, Hard-Working Person with Big Dreams. You want work that is meaningful and important to you, and to others.

Enter EastCollect. EastCollect respects and Rewards Ambition and hard work, without requiring a lot of recent experience climbing corporate ladders or jumping through academic hoops. That's because they've got the resources, mentoring and support to build up any enthusiastic, hard-working individual.

You've been busy building a family. Now it's your turn.

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-Wanting to Make More Money

You've got a job already, but you’re just not making what you know you’re worth. What steps can you take toward setting yourself up for prosperity? Is there a way that you can earn extra money now, as a safety net before you consider leaving your current position?

Consider EastCollect Ltd. With a number of career paths, EastCollect may be the solution to earning extra income around your regular work schedule. Of course, we’re confident that once you get a taste of success with EastCollect, you'll use all of your time becoming a successful EastCollect sales rep.

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EastCollect’s growth is slowed only by our ability to find energetic and driven employees. The fact that our growth is not slowed by our product, competition, market conditions, season or the economy is what separates us from almost any other company in the world.

Since EastCollect’s inception over 9 years ago ‘downsizing’ and ‘outsourcing’ are two words never found in its dictionary. Imagine the piece of mind you would feel knowing that this opportunity will always be available.

EastCollect values you, as well as your hard work. Because there’s more to life than work, EastCollect Junior Administration Officers are free to design their own schedules and take time off for holidays, vacation, personal days, as well as leaves of absence for those unexpected events.

Hours:
On a full-time basis 8:00am-5:00pm (1 hr for lunch)
On a part-time basis 2-5 hrs/day (approx 10-25 hrs/week)

Base Salary:
Full-time - around $2,600 per month paid bi-weekly, plus individual bonus (7%)
Part-time - $16.50 (AUD) per hour paid bi-weekly, plus individual bonus (5%)

Requirements: This is not a strictly work at home position. Since all communication is done online, you need just to have Internet access, email box and MS Word/Excel.

Costs and Fees: There are NO costs at any time for our employees. All fees related to this employment are covered by the company. 

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Of course, we can select one exporting processes, > too. > If one observation point shares two measurement process, two measurement > processes are likely to be created by different purpose. There are QoS > measurement or anomaly detection. In that case, different exporting > processes are likely to be selected. In PSAMP-MIB, we can configure > above conditions. > > In IPFIX, it is not configurable architecture. Is such reletionship > implementation matter? I'm not sure about PSAMP case, but my understanding about IPFIX model is as follows: In IPFIX, as depicted in draft-ietf-ipfix-architecture-10.txt, Observation Point and Metering Process forms "M : N" relationship, and Metering Process and Exporting Process forms "N : 1" relationship. In case where there are more than one Exporting Processes, then it is viewed as multiple IPFIX devices. How one entity selects the counterpart is up to the implementation. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks. 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IPFIX-ARCH doesn't make it clear, but I believe it should be possible for each Metering Process to be associated with multiple Exporting Processes - eg, to provide redundancy, for export over different transports, to convey the MP output to multiple collectors, or even to impliment different export protocols. Certainly the text doesn't say that's not possible. > In case where there are more than one Exporting Processes, then it is > viewed as multiple IPFIX devices. 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Message-ID: <21968F86DE7238743E280CAC@[192.168.1.130]> In-Reply-To: <4460A358.2020502@cisco.com> References: <444655E2.5030305@cisco.com> <444771D8.8010905@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4448D947.4050903@cisco.com> <0733537CBEBCC541E3048E8C@753F3B888A9969457862729D> <445F3986.6010708@cisco.com> <445F558E.5060906@cisco.com> <187D0A4BED64DB4256AC11C7@[192.168.1.96]> <445FB17B.6020904@cisco.com> <3FF92D2ED3D0FE7350B18889@[192.168.1.96]> <4460A358.2020502@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b5d20af10c334b36874c0264b10f59f1 Hi Paul, --On 09.05.2006 15:12 Uhr +0100 Paul Aitken wrote: > Juergen, > >> Do you think we can play the game also with IE #54 >> identificationIPv4? >> >> We would rename it to fragmentIdentification and >> apply it to v4 and v6 as well. >> >> We would have to extend its size to unsigned32, >> but this should not create a severe incompatibility with >> NFv9. NFv9 reports containing IE #54 would still be valid. > > The cisco definition of this field is currently IPv4 specific - > but I think it'd be good to extend it to IPv6 as you describe. Done: 5.3.26. fragmentIdentification Description: The value of the Identification field in the IPv4 packet header or the IPv6 Fragment header, respectively. The value is 0 for IPv6 if there is no Fragment header. Abstract Data Type: unsigned16 Data Type Semantics: identifier ElementId: 54 Status: current Reference: See RFC 791 [RFC0791] for the definition of the IPv4 Identification field. See RFC 2460 [RFC2460] for the definition of the Identification field in the IPv6 Fragment header. 5.3.27. fragmentOffset Description: The value of the IP fragment offset field in the IPv4 packet header or the IPv6 Fragment header, respectively. The value is 0 for IPv6 if there is no Fragment header. Abstract Data Type: unsigned16 Data Type Semantics: identifier ElementId: 88 Status: current Reference: See RFC 791 [RFC0791] for the specification of the fragment offset in the IPv4 header. See RFC 2460 [RFC2460] for the specification of the fragment offset in the IPv6 Fragment header. 5.3.28. fragmentFlags Description: Fragmentation properties indicated by flags in the IPv4 packet header or the IPv6 Fragment header, respectively. Bit 0: (RS) Reserved. The value of this bit MUST be 0 until specified otherwise. Bit 1: (DF) 0 = May Fragment, 1 = Don't Fragment. Corresponds to the value of the DF flag in the IPv4 header. Will always be 0 for IPv6 unless a "don't fragment" feature is introduced to IPv6. Bit 2: (MF) 0 = Last Fragment, 1 = More Fragments. Corresponds to the MF flag in the IPv4 header or to the M flag in the IPv6 Fragment header, respectively. The value is 0 for IPv6 if there is no Fragment header. Bits 3-7: (DC) Don't Care. The values of these bits are irrelevant. 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ | R | D | M | D | D | D | D | D | | S | F | F | C | C | C | C | C | +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ Abstract Data Type: octet Data Type Semantics: flags ElementId: 197 Status: current Reference: See RFC 791 [RFC0791] for the specification of the IPv4 fragment flags. See RFC 2460 [RFC2460] for the specification of the IPv6 Fragment header. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Sun May 28 19:20:25 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FkUYb-0004Sw-6F for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:20:25 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FkUYZ-0004Jb-MB for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:20:25 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FkUQn-00068d-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:12:21 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FkUQm-00068Y-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:12:20 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.130] (HSI-KBW-085-216-002-068.hsi.kabelbw.de [85.216.2.68]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E0121BAC4D; Mon, 29 May 2006 01:03:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 01:12:16 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: "Wijnen, Bert" , Dan Romascanu , David Kessens , ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: [ipfix] Closing issues from IPFIX INFO AD review Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a4e5f67c5e230eddf754446d1a2201a4 Dear all, >From the AD review by Bert we had eight open issues left for the IPFIX information model. Please find them listed below with proposed solutions for all of them except INFO-AD#4 which we are still discussing but expecting to close this week: |INFO-AD#4: How to add new label types to the definition of | IE #46 mplsTopLabelType? | |>> - sect 5.6.9 |>> How are new values of Labeltypes be added in the future? |>> last line in this section, remove "and IP addresses" ?? |> |> INFO-AD#4: |> I have no good answer on this comment. Does anyone else have? | |The issue is still under investigation. Looks like the only |solution is another number space maintained by IANA. Comments are highly appreciated. Thanks, Juergen INFO-AD#1: Do reported statistics include or exclude the reporting IPFIX message? Affected IEs are #40 exportedOctetTotalCount #41 exportedMessageTotalCount #42 exportedFlowTotalCount >> - sect 5.2.3 >> Is the message that contains this Information Element included in the >> count?? May want to make that clear for better interoperability. >> Same for some of the other exportXXXCounters > > INFO-AD#1: > These IEs are specified to be compatible with NetFlow v9. > I'm checking with my co-authors from Cisco which alternative > was chosen for NF v9. > > When I have this information, I will remove the ambiguity > from the descriptions of IEs > #40 exportedOctetTotalCount > #41 exportedMessageTotalCount > #42 exportedFlowTotalCount Solution (by Benoit): Neither of them includes the reporting packet. 5.2.3. exportedMessageTotalCount Description: The total number of IPFIX Messages that the Exporting Process successfully sent since the Exporting Process (re-)initialization to the Collecting Process receiving a report that contains this Information Element. The reported number excludes the message that carries the counter value. Abstract Data Type: unsigned64 Data Type Semantics: totalCounter ElementId: 41 Status: current Units: messages 5.2.4. exportedOctetTotalCount Description: The total number of octets that the Exporting Process successfully sent since the Exporting Process (re-)initialization to the Collecting Process receiving a report that contains this Information Element. The value of this Information Element is calculated by summing up the IPFIX Message header length values of all IPFIX Messages that were successfully sent to the Collecting Process receiving a report that contains this Information Element. The reported number excludes octets in the message that carries the counter value. Abstract Data Type: unsigned64 Data Type Semantics: totalCounter ElementId: 40 Status: current Units: octets 5.2.5. exportedFlowRecordTotalCount Description: The total number of Flows Records that the Exporting Process successfully sent as Data Records since the Exporting Process (re-)initialization to the Collecting Process receiving a report that contains this Information Element. The reported number excludes flow records in the message that carries the counter value. Abstract Data Type: unsigned64 Data Type Semantics: totalCounter ElementId: 42 Status: current Units: flows INFO-AD#2: Does IE #42 exportedFlowTotalCount report the number of flows or the number of flow records? >> - sect 5.2.5 >> Text says: number of flow records >> But in Units it says: flows >> So what is it? >> Same for sect 5.2.9 > > INFO-AD#2: > This is another NF v9 compatible IE. As above, I will check > and make sure that description and units are consistent. Solution (by Benoit): It is the number of flow records. We renamed the IE from exportedFlowTotalCount to exportedFlowRecordTotalCount, see solution of INFO-AD#1. INFO-AD#3: Is it OK to change dataty of IEs #16 bgpSourceAsNumber #17 bgpDestinationAsNumber #128 bgpNextAdjacentAsNumber #129 bgpPrevAdjacentAsNumber from unsiogned16 to unsigned32? >> - Sect 5.6.3 >> I worry about the fact that there is discussion already about AS numbers >> of 32-bit length. So are we future proof here? >> In the MIB/SMI world we have made it a 32bit unsigned, see >> InetAutonomousSystemNumber in RFC4001. > > INFO-AD#3: > change data type of > #16 bgpSourceAsNumber > #17 bgpDestinationAsNumber > #128 bgpNextAdjacentAsNumber > #129 bgpPrevAdjacentAsNumber > from unsigned16 to unsigned32. Yes, it is. Change applied. INFO-AD#5: Explain in the capabilities and limitations of the different dateTimeXX data types. >> - sect 5.5.x >> Would it be useful to add a line of text to explain how long >> (how many minutes, months, years) each granularity allows >> based on the underlying datatype? > > INFO-AD#5: > I will work on a text suggestion. We avoid duplication if we put > this text to the data type descriptions in section 3.1. I think the problem only applies to delta timers. It is not relevant for absolute time stamps. I appended a sentence to the paragraph in section 5.8 that discusses delta timer stamps: Time stamps flowStartDeltaMicroseconds and flowEndDeltaMicroseconds are relative time stamps only valid within the scope of a single IPFIX Message. They contain the negative time offsets relative to the export time specified in the IPFIX Message header. The maximum time offset that can be encoded by these delta counters is 1 hour, 11 minutes, and 34.967295 seconds. INFO-AD#6: Review last paragraph of section 7. >> You speak about an Appendix B as having a schema/example >> on how to extend. It is however (I think) the Schema >> for the currently assigned values. > > INFO-AD#6: > Yes, but it should also be used for extensions. However, I > still need to investigate the XML schema issues that you posted > in a different email. I will come back to this issue, when > the XML schema issue is closed. OLD Appendix B defines an XML schema which may be used to create consistent machine readable extensions to the IPFIX information model. This schema introduces a new namespace, which will be assigned by IANA according to RFC 3688. Currently the name space for this schema is identified as http://www.ietf.org/ipfix. NEW Appendix B defines an XML schema which was used for Appendix A where all Information Models defines by this docments are specified using XML. This schema may also be used for specifying further Information Elements in future extensions of the IPFIX information model in a machine readable way. The schema introduces a new namespace, which will be assigned by IANA according to RFC 3688. Currently the name space for this schema is identified as http://www.ietf.org/ipfix. INFO-AD#7: Elaborate security considerations >> - Sect 8. >> I am pretty sure that the Security ADs will want to see >> more detail here. They probably want to understand which >> Information Elements contain sensitive data (and why it >> is sensitive) or privacy sensitive data (and why so). >> Probably similar to why they want to see that a MIB >> document lists the objects that are sensitive and >> why so and what the risks are if the data gets >> intercepted. > > INFO-AD#7: > Let's come back to this after the security AD review. INFO-AD#8: Appendix A is not formal specification. All text that says it is formal, needs to be changed. >> The best that can be done with this is to confirm that it's well-formed XML. >> It's NOT a specification in the formal sense of the word. > > INFO-AD#8: > Agreed. This needs to be fixed at several places in the draft. > I will come back with text suggestions. Depending on the context, I replaced 'formal' by either 'XML' or 'machine readable': OLD Appendix A. Formal Specification of IPFIX Information Element This appendix contains a formal description of the IPFIX information model XML document. Note that this appendix is of informational nature, while the text in section 4 generated from this appendix is normative. Using a formal and machine readable syntax for the Information model enables the creation of IPFIX aware tools which can automatically adapt to extensions to the information model, by simply reading updated information model specifications. NEW Appendix A. XML Specification of IPFIX Information Elements This appendix contains a machine readable description of the IPFIX information model coded in XML. Note that this appendix is of informational nature, while the text in section 4 (generated from this appendix) is normative. Using a machine readable syntax for the Information model enables the creation of IPFIX aware tools which can automatically adapt to extensions to the information model, by simply reading updated information model specifications. OLD Appendix B. Formal Specification of Abstract Data Types This appendix containfs a formal description of the abstract data types to be used for IPFIX Information Elements and a formal description of the template used for defining IPFIX Information Elements. Note that this appendix is of informational nature, while the text in sections 2 and 3 generated from this appendix is normative. NEW Appendix B. XML Specification of Abstract Data Types This appendix containfs a machine readable description of the abstract data types to be used for IPFIX Information Elements and a machine readable description of the template used for defining IPFIX Information Elements. Note that this appendix is of informational nature, while the text in sections 2 and 3 (generated from this appendix) is normative. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Sun May 28 19:24:31 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FkUcZ-0007IX-H8 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:24:31 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FkUcY-0004O5-64 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:24:31 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FkUYa-0006Ea-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:20:24 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FkUYY-0006EL-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:20:22 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.130] (HSI-KBW-085-216-002-068.hsi.kabelbw.de [85.216.2.68]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8471BAC4D for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 01:11:16 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 01:20:17 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: [ipfix] FYI: IPFIX XML work (fwd) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="==========3B4054F599C905316AF2==========" Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 87a3f533bb300b99e2a18357f3c1563d --==========3B4054F599C905316AF2========== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear all, FYI, the message below was posted last week on the NetConf mailing list. Juergen ------------ Forwarded Message ------------ Date: Wednesday, Mai 24, 2006 09:45 h -0700 From: Andy Bierman To: "Netconf (E-mail)" , Netconf Data Model Discussion , Dan Romascanu Subject: FYI: IPFIX XML work Hi, I think you should read Appendix A of the IPFIX Info Model draft: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipfix-info-11.txt IMO, it would be a *really* bad idea for every std NM protocol with DM info (snmp, syslog, ipfix, netconf, ?) to invent their own DM language, module & life-cycle system, access control model, core info model, naming model, and on and on... Dan, I think you should force the IPFIX WG to break out (at least) the core set of 'XML Simple Types' from this document and let all the OPS-NM WGs review it and add/change it. Then it should be published as a PS RFC, and all XML DM work in the IETF must use those data types, if they apply. By the time one figures out the "free-for-all" approach doesn't work, it is usually too late to fix it. 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(andy@andybierman.com@24.24.133.237) by 10.49.36.65 with SMTP; 24 May 2006 16:45:22 -0000 Message-ID: <44748DA7.7030207@andybierman.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 09:45:27 -0700 From: Andy Bierman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Netconf (E-mail)" , Netconf Data Model Discussion , Dan Romascanu Subject: FYI: IPFIX XML work Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Sanitizer: This message has been sanitized! 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Figure 4 doesn't make clear whether there may be multiple exporters associated with each MP. I believe that should be possible to provide redundancy, for export over different transports, to convey the MP output to multiple collectors, or even to impliment different export protocols. Without being spelt out in the text, the way it's drawn does seem to constrain each MP to just one EP. I don't see any architectural reason for that. Cheers. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 29 08:15:23 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FkgeZ-0001e6-HC for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 08:15:23 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FkgeY-0007ME-9H for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 08:15:23 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FkgWd-0005hR-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 29 May 2006 07:07:11 -0500 Received: from odd-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.119] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FkgWc-0005hM-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 29 May 2006 07:07:10 -0500 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k4TC73911356; Mon, 29 May 2006 14:07:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.82.240.95] (rtp-vpn2-95.cisco.com [10.82.240.95]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k4TC70C15905; Mon, 29 May 2006 14:07:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <447AE3E3.8060607@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:06:59 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Aitken CC: ipfix , psamp Subject: Re: [ipfix] multiple Exporting Processes in IPFIX-ARCH References: <447AD7D1.2070502@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <447AD7D1.2070502@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 Paul, > Dear all, > > This text in IPFIX-ARCH: > > * IPFIX Device > > An IPFIX Device hosts at least one Observation Point, a Metering > Process and an Exporting Process. > > seems to say that there is one one MP and one EP, which is clearly > wrong. eg, Figure 3 shows one IPFIX device with multiple OPs, multiple > MPs and multiple EPs: > > +------------------------+ > |IPFIX Device(i) | > |[Observation Point(s)] | > |[Metering Process(es)] | > |[Exporting Process(es)] | > +------------------------+ > > The text should say > > An IPFIX Device hosts at least one Observation Point, at least > one Metering Process and at least one Exporting Process. I agree. I modified [IPFIX-PROTO]. Some PSAMP drafts should be modified as well, if I recall correctly Regards, Benoit. > > > Figure 4 doesn't make clear whether there may be multiple exporters > associated with each MP. I believe that should be possible to provide > redundancy, for export over different transports, to convey the MP > output to multiple collectors, or even to impliment different export > protocols. > > Without being spelt out in the text, the way it's drawn does seem to > constrain each MP to just one EP. I don't see any architectural reason > for that. > > Cheers. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 29 09:05:16 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FkhQq-00057O-MT for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 09:05:16 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FkhQp-0003gp-DW for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 09:05:16 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FkhKi-0000HT-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 29 May 2006 07:58:56 -0500 Received: from mail.nttv6.net ([192.68.245.115]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FkhKg-0000H9-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 29 May 2006 07:58:54 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dhcp-3-107.nttv6.com [192.47.163.107]) by mail.nttv6.net (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k4TCwBbU019194; Mon, 29 May 2006 21:58:15 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from akoba@nttv6.net) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:58:14 +0900 From: kobayashi atsushi To: Paul Aitken Subject: Re: [ipfix] multiple Exporting Processes in IPFIX-ARCH Cc: ipfix In-Reply-To: <447AD7D1.2070502@cisco.com> References: <447AD7D1.2070502@cisco.com> Message-Id: <20060529213341.ACB3.AKOBA@nttv6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.12.01 [ja] Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 31247fb3be228bb596db9127becad0bc Dear Paul and all, According to IPFIX-ARCH, I recognized that one exporting process can send same data stream to multiple collectors. And also, one exporting process seems to be able to send same data stream to multiple collector using different transport protocol. This one exporting process can treat same data stream against multiple collector. But, it can't treat different data stream against multiple collector. In that case, exporting process should be separated. Please comment, if it is wrong. I believed that one exporting process is created per the export policy of administrator, if this IPFIX device can create multiple exporting processes. I think that capability by one exporting process should be made more clear. Regards, Atsushi KOBAYASHI On Mon, 29 May 2006 12:15:29 +0100 Paul Aitken wrote: > Dear all, > > This text in IPFIX-ARCH: > > * IPFIX Device > > An IPFIX Device hosts at least one Observation Point, a Metering > Process and an Exporting Process. > > seems to say that there is one one MP and one EP, which is clearly > wrong. eg, Figure 3 shows one IPFIX device with multiple OPs, multiple > MPs and multiple EPs: > > +------------------------+ > |IPFIX Device(i) | > |[Observation Point(s)] | > |[Metering Process(es)] | > |[Exporting Process(es)] | > +------------------------+ > > The text should say > > An IPFIX Device hosts at least one Observation Point, at least > one Metering Process and at least one Exporting Process. > > > Figure 4 doesn't make clear whether there may be multiple exporters > associated with each MP. I believe that should be possible to provide > redundancy, for export over different transports, to convey the MP > output to multiple collectors, or even to impliment different export > protocols. > > Without being spelt out in the text, the way it's drawn does seem to > constrain each MP to just one EP. I don't see any architectural reason > for that. > > Cheers. > -- > Paul Aitken > Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. > > -- > Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body > Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say > "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body > Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ --- Atsushi KOBAYASHI NTT Information Sharing Platform Lab. tel:+81-(0)422-59-3978 fax:+81-(0)422-59-5652 -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 29 10:11:51 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FkiTH-0001Te-Ic for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:11:51 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FkiTD-0002dj-01 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:11:51 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FkiJy-0002pT-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 29 May 2006 09:02:14 -0500 Received: from odd-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.119] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FkiJv-0002pN-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 29 May 2006 09:02:11 -0500 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k4TE2AZ18985; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:02:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.82.240.95] (rtp-vpn2-95.cisco.com [10.82.240.95]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k4TE21C13991; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:02:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <447AFED8.1040302@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 16:02:00 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tanja Zseby CC: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] update of IPFIX-AS References: <804B13F8F3D94A4AB18B9B01ACB68FA1137A02@EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de> In-Reply-To: <804B13F8F3D94A4AB18B9B01ACB68FA1137A02@EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010503010707030702010707" Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ba2f3bff2a7cbea3ad1f98866ccb81ad This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010503010707030702010707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tanja, Minor edit: OctetDeltaCount -> octetDeltaCount Regards, Benoit. > Hi all, > > I submitted an update of the IPFIX-AS draft (attached). > > Main changes are: > - added more details (e.g. required IEs) to target application examples > (applications from RFC3917) > - shortend/removed some sections (especially the exotic examples) and > tried to put less promotional text ;-) > - RFC3330 conformant example addresses (with /25 subnetting) > - sections re-aranged in accordance to importance (e.g. IPFIX/PSAMP > relations before IPFIX/AAA relations) > - summary added with overview table > > Benoit, I guess the example address in the protocol draft also need to > be changed for conformance with RFC3330. > > Regards, > Tanja > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > Internet Draft Tanja Zseby > Document: Fraunhofer FOKUS > Expires: October 2006 Elisa Boschi > Hitachi > Nevil Brownlee > CAIDA > Benoit Claise > Cisco Systems > > May 2006 > > > IPFIX Applicability > draft-ietf-ipfix-as-07.txt > > Status of this Memo > > By submitting this Internet-Draft, each author represents that > any applicable patent or other IPR claims of which he or she is > aware have been or will be disclosed, and any of which he or she > becomes aware will be disclosed, in accordance with Section 6 of > BCP 79. > > Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet > Engineering Task Force (IETF), its areas, and its working > groups. Note that other groups may also distribute working > documents as Internet-Drafts. > Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six > months and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other > documents at any time. It is inappropriate to use Internet- > Drafts as reference material or to cite them other than as "work > in progress." > > The list of current Internet-Drafts can be accessed at > http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-abstracts.txt. > > The list of Internet-Draft Shadow Directories can be accessed at > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html. > > Copyright Notice > > Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2006). > > > > > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 1] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > > Abstract > > This document describes the applicability of the IP Flow > Information Export (IPFIX) protocol for a variety of > applications. It shows how applications can use IPFIX, describes > the relevant information elements (IEs) and shows opportunities > and limitations of the protocol. The document furthermore > describes relations of the IPFIX framework to other > architectures and frameworks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 2] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > Table of Contents > 1. Introduction.............................................4 > 2. Applications of IPFIX....................................4 > 2.1 Accounting...............................................4 > 2.1.1 Example.................................................5 > 2.2 Traffic Profiling........................................7 > 2.3 Traffic Engineering......................................7 > 2.4 Network Security.........................................8 > 2.5 QoS Monitoring..........................................10 > 2.5.1 Correlating Events from Multiple Observation Points....11 > 2.5.2 Examples...............................................11 > 2.6 Inter-Domain Exchange of IPFIX data.....................13 > 2.7 Export of Derived Metrics...............................13 > 2.8 Summary.................................................14 > 3. Relation of IPFIX to Other Frameworks and Protocols.....14 > 3.1 IPFIX and PSAMP.........................................14 > 3.2 IPFIX and RMON..........................................15 > 3.3 IPFIX and IPPM..........................................15 > 3.4 IPFIX and AAA...........................................16 > 3.4.1 Connecting via an AAA Client...........................17 > 3.4.2 Connecting via an Application Specific Module (ASM)....17 > 3.5 IPFIX and RTFM..........................................18 > 3.5.1 Architecture...........................................18 > 3.5.2 Flow Definition........................................19 > 3.5.3 Configuration and Management...........................19 > 3.5.4 Data Collection........................................19 > 3.5.5 Data Model Details.....................................20 > 3.5.6 Transport Protocol.....................................20 > 3.5.7 Summary................................................20 > 4. Limitations.............................................21 > 4.1 Using IPFIX for other Applications than in RFC3917......21 > 4.2 Using a Different Transport Protocol than SCTP..........21 > 4.3 Push vs. Pull Mode......................................21 > 4.4 Template ID number......................................22 > 4.5 Exporting Bidirectional Flow Information................22 > 4.6 IPFIX and IPv6..........................................23 > 5. Security Considerations.................................23 > 6. Normative References....................................24 > 7. Informative References..................................24 > 8. Acknowledgements........................................26 > 9. Authors' Addresses......................................26 > 10. Full Copyright Statement................................27 > 11. Intellectual Property Statement.........................27 > 12. Copyright Statement.....................................28 > 13. Disclaimer..............................................28 > > > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 3] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > 1. Introduction > > The IPFIX protocol defines how IP Flow information can be > exported from routers, measurement probes or other devices. It > is intended to provide this information as input to various > applications. IPFIX is a general data transport protocol, easily > extensible to suit the needs of different applications. This > document describes how typical applications that can use the > IPFIX protocol. It shows opportunities and limitations of the > protocol. Furthermore, the relationship of IPFIX to other > frameworks and architectures is described. > > 2. Applications of IPFIX > > IPFIX data enables several critical applications. The IPFIX > target applications and the requirements that originate from > those applications are described in [RFC3917]. Those > requirements were used as basis for the design of the IPFIX > protocol. This section describes how these target applications > can use the IPFIX protocol. Considerations for using IPFIX for > other applications than described in [RFC3917] can be found in > section 4.1. > > 2.1 Accounting > > Usage based accounting is one of the major applications for > which the IPFIX protocol has been developed. IPFIX records > provide fine-grained measurement results for highly flexible and > detailed resource usage accounting. > In order to realize usage-based accounting with IPFIX the flow > definition has to be chosen in accordance to the tariff model. > Flows can be distinguished by various IEs (e.g. packet header > fields) from [IPFIX-INFO]. Due to the flexible IPFIX flow > definition, arbitrary flow-based accounting models can be > realized without extensions to the IPFIX protocol. > > A tariff can, for instance, be based on individual end-to-end > flows, in which case accounting can be realized with a flow > definition determined by the quintuple consisting of source > address (sourceIPv4Address), destination address > (destinationIPv4Address), protocol (protocolIdentifier) and port > numbers (e.g., udpSourcePort, udpDestinationPort). Another > example is a class-dependent tariff (e.g. in a DiffServ > network). In this case flows could be distinguished just by the > DiffServ codepoint (DSCP) (ipDiffServCodePoint) and IP addresses > (sourceIPv4Address, destinationIPv4Address). The essential > elements needed for accounting are the number of transferred > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 4] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > packets and bytes per flow, which can be represented by the per- > flow counter IEs (e.g., packetTotalCount, octetTotalCount). > > For accounting purposes, it would be advantageous to have the > ability to use IPFIX flow records as accounting input in an AAA > infrastructure. AAA servers then could provide the mapping > between user and flow information. > > Note that the reliability requirements defined in [RFC3917] are > not sufficient to guarantee the level of reliability that is > needed for many usage-based accounting systems. Particular > reliability requirements for accounting systems are discussed in > [RFC2975]. > > 2.1.1 Example > > Please note: [RFC3330] demands the use of the address block > 192.0.2.0/24 for example addresses. In the example below we use > two example networks. In order to be conformant to [RFC3330] we > divide the given address block into two networks by subnetting > with a 25 bit netmask (192.0.2.0/25) as follows: > > Network A: 192.0.2.0 ... 192.0.2.127 > Network B: 192.0.2.128 ... 192.0.2.255 > > Let's suppose someone has a Service Level Agreement (SLA) in a > DiffServ network requiring accounting based on traffic volume. > Flows are distinguished by source and destination address. The > information to export in this case is: > - IPv4 source IP address: sourceIPv4Address in [IPFIX-INFO], > with a length of 4 octets > - IPv4 destination IP address: destinationIPv4Address in > [IPFIX-INFO], with a length of 4 octets > - DSCP: ipDiffServCodePoint in [IPFIX-INFO], with a length of > 1 octet > - Number of octets of the Flow: OctetDeltaCount in [IPFIX- > INFO], with a length of 4 octets > > The template set will look as follows: > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Set ID = 2 | Length = 24 octets | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Template ID 256 | Field Count = 4 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > |0| sourceIPv4Address = 8 | Field Length = 4 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > |0| destinationIPv4Address = 12 | Field Length = 4 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 5] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > |0| ipDiffServCodePoint = 195 | Field Length = 1 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > |0| OctetDeltaCount = 1 | Field Length = 4 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > The information to be exported might be as listed in the > following example table: > > Src. IP addr. | Dst. IP addr. | DSCP | Octets Number > --------------+---------------+--------+-------------- > 192.0.2.12 | 192.0.2.144 | 46 | 120868 > 192.0.2.24 | 192.0.2.156 | 46 | 310364 > 192.0.2.36 | 192.0.2.168 | 46 | 241239 > > In the example we use Diffserv CodePoint 46, recommended for the > Expedited Forwarding Per Hop Behavior (EF PHB) in [RFC2598]. > > The Flow Records will then look as follows: > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Set ID = 256 | Length = 43 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | 192.0.2.12 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | 192.0.2.144 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | 46 | 120868 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | | 192.0.2.24 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | | 192.0.2.156 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | | 46 | 310364 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | | 192.0.2.36 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | | 192.0.2.168 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | | 46 | | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | 241239 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > 2.2 Traffic Profiling > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 6] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > Measurement results reported in IPFIX records can be used for > traffic profiling. IPFIX records captured over a long period of > time can be used to track and anticipate network growth and > usage. Such Information is valuable for trend analysis and > network planning. > > The parameters of interest are determined by the profiling > objectives. Example parameters for traffic profiling are flow > duration, flow volume, burstiness, the distribution of used > services and protocols, the amount of packets of a specific > type, etc. [RFC3917]. > > The distribution of services and protocols in use can be > analyzed by configuring appropriate flows keys for flow > discrimination. Protocols can be distinguished by the > protocolIdentifier IE. Portnumbers (e.g., udpDestinationPort) > often provide information about services in use. Those flow keys > are defined in [IPFIX-INFO]. If portnumbers are not sufficient > for service discrimination, further parts of the packet may be > needed. Header fields can be expressed by IEs from [IPFIX-INFO] > Packet payload can be reported by using the IE > ipPayloadPacketSection in [PSAMP-INFO]. > > The flow duration can be calculated from the flow time stamp IEs > defined in [IPFIX-INFO] (e.g., flowEndMicroseconds - > flowStartMicroseconds). The number of packets and number of > bytes of a flow are represented in the per-flow counter IEs > (e.g., packetTotalCount, octetTotalCount). The burstiness of a > flow can be calculated from the flow volume measured at > different time intervals. > > 2.3 Traffic Engineering > > Traffic engineering aims at the optimization of network resource > utilization and traffic performance [RFC2702]. Typical > parameters are link utilization, load between specific network, > nodes, number, size and entry/exit points of active flows and > routing information [RFC3917]. > Size of flows in packets and bytes can be reported by IEs > packetTotalCount, octetTotalCount. Link utilization can be > reported by using a coarse grained flow definition (e.g. based > on identifier IEs such as egressInterface or ingressInterface) > and per-flow counter IEs (e.g. packetTotalCount, > octetTotalCount) defined in [IPFIX-INFO]. > > The load between specific network nodes can be reported in the > same way if one interface of a network node receives only > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 7] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > traffic from exactly one neighbor node (as usually the case). If > the ingress interface is not sufficient for an unambiguous > identification of the neighbor node, sub-IP header fields IEs > (like sourceMacAddress) can be added as flow keys. > > The IE observedFlowTotalCount provides the number of all flows > exported for the observation domain since the last > initialization of the metering process [IPFIX-INFO]. If this IE > is exported at subsequent points in time, one can derive the > number of active flows in a specific time interval from the > difference of the reported counters. The configured flow > termination criteria have to be taken into account to interpret > that numbers correctly. > > Entry and exit points can be derived from flow records if > metering processes are installed at all edges of the network and > results are mapped in accordance to flow keys. For this and > other analysis methods that require the mapping of records from > different observation points, the same flow keys should be used > at all observation points. The path that packets take through a > network can be investigated by using hash-based sampling > techniques as described in [DuGr00] and [PSAMP-TECH]. For this > IEs from [PSAMP-INFO] are needed. > > Neither [IPFIX-INFO] nor [PSAMP-INFO] defines IEs suitable for > exporting routing information. > > 2.4 Network Security > > Attack and intrusion detection are among the IPFIX target > applications described in [RFC3917]. Due to the enormous amount > of different network attack types, only general requirements > could be addressed in [RFC3917]. > > IPFIX can export flow information for arbitrary flow definitions > as defined in [IPFIX-PROTO]. Packet information can be exported > with IPFIX by using the additional information elements > described in [PSAMP-INFO]. With this theoretically all > information about traffic in the network at IP layer and above > is accessible. This data can be used either directly to detect > anomalies or can provide the basis for further post processing > to generate more complex attack detection metrics. > > Depending on the attack type different metrics are useful. A > sudden increase of traffic load can be a hint that an attack has > been launched. The overall traffic at an observation point can > be monitored using per-flow counter IEs like packetTotalCount, > octetTotalCount as described in 2.3. The number of active flows > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 8] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > can be monitored by regular reporting of the > observedFlowTotalCount. > > A sudden increase of flows from different sources to one > destination may be caused by an attack on a specific host or > network node using spoofed addresses. Many flows to the same > machine but on different ports or many flows to the same port > and different machines may be an indicator for vertical or > horizontal port scanning activities. An unusual ratio of TCP-SYN > to TCP-FIN packets can refer to SYN-flooding. Worms may leave > signatures in traffic patterns. > > The amount of metrics useful for attack detection is as diverse > as attack patterns themselves. Attackers adapt rapidly to > circumvent detection methods and try to hide attack patterns > using slow or stealth attacks. Furthermore, unusual traffic > patterns are not always caused by malicious activities. A sudden > traffic increase may be caused by legitimate users who seek > access to a recently published content. Strange traffic patterns > may also be caused by mis-configuration. > > The difficult task is the separation of good from bad packets to > prepare and launch counteraction. This may require a deeper look > into packet content by using further header field IEs from > [IPFIX-INFO] and/or packet payload from IE > ipPayloadPacketSection in [PSAMP-INFO]. Multi-step analysis > techniques may be useful, e.g., to launch an in-depth analysis > (e.g. based on packet information) in case the flow information > shows suspicious patterns. In order to supervise traffic to a > specific host or network node one has to apply filtering methods > as those described in [PSAMP-TECH]. > > Mapping the two directions of a communication is often useful > for checking correct protocol behavior (see section 4.5). A > correlation of IPFIX data from multiple observation points (see > section 2.5.1) allows assessing the propagation of an attack and > can help to locate its source. > > The integration of previous measurement results helps to review > traffic changes over time for detection of traffic anomalies and > provides the basis for forensic analysis. A standardized storage > format for IPIFX data would support the offline analysis of data > from different operators. > > Nevertheless, capturing full packet traces at all observation > points in the network is not viable due to resource limitations > and privacy concerns. Therefore metrics should be chosen wisely > to allow a solid detection with minimal resource consumption. > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 9] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > Resources can be saved for instance by using coarser grained > flow definitions, reporting pre-processed metrics (e.g. with > additional information elements) or deployment of sampling > methods. > > Detecting security incidents in real-time often requires the > pre-processing of data already at the measurement device. > Immediate data export in case of a potential incident is > desired. IPIFX supports such source-triggered exporting of > information due to the push model approach. Nevertheless, > further exporting criteria have to be implemented to export > IPFIX records upon incident detection events and not only upon > flow end or fixed time intervals. > > Security incidents can become a threat to IPFIX processes > themselves (see also security considerations in [IPFIX-PROTO]). > If an attack generates a large amount of flows (e.g. by sending > packets with spoofed addresses or simulating flow termination) > exporting and collecting process may get overloaded by the > immense amount of records that are exported. A flexible > deployment of packet or flow sampling methods can prevent the > exhaustion of resources. > > Intrusion detection would profit from the combination of IPFIX > functions with AAA functions (see section 3.4). Such an > interoperation enables further means for attacker detection, > advanced defense strategies and secure inter-domain cooperation. > > 2.5 QoS Monitoring > > QoS monitoring is one target application of the IPFIX protocol > [RFC3917]. QoS monitoring is the passive observation of the > transmission quality for single flows or traffic aggregates in > the network. One example of its use is the validation of QoS > guarantees in service level agreements (SLAs). Typical QoS > parameters are loss [RFC2680], one-way [RFC2679] and round-trip > delay [RFC2681] and delay variation [RFC3393]. The calculation > of those QoS metrics requires per-packet processing. Reporting > packet information with IPFIX is possible by simply considering > a single packet as flow. [IPFIX-PROTO] also allows the reporting > of multiple identical information elements in one flow record. > Using this feature for reporting information about multiple > packets in one record would require additional agreement on > semantics regarding the order of information elements (e.g. > which timestamp belongs to which packet payload in a sequence of > information elements). [PSAMP-INFO] defines useful additional > information elements for exporting per packet information with > IPFIX. > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 10] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > > 2.5.1 Correlating Events from Multiple Observation Points > > Some QoS metrics require the correlation of data from multiple > observation points. For this the clocks of the involved metering > processes must be synchronized. Furthermore, it is necessary to > recognize that the same packet was observed at different > observation point. > This can be done by capturing parts of the packet content > (packet header and/or parts of the payload) that do not change > on the way to the destination. Based on the packet content it > can be recognized when the same packet arrived at another > observation point. To reduce the amount of measurement data a > unique packet ID can be calculated from the packet content e.g. > by using a CRC or hash function instead of transferring and > comparing the unprocessed content. Considerations on collision > probability and efficiency of using such packet IDs are > described in [GrDM98, DuGr00, ZsZC01]. > > IPFIX allows the reporting of several IP and transport header > fields (see section 5.3 and 5.4 in [IPFIX-INFO]). Using only > those fields for packet recognition or ID generation can be > sufficient in scenarios where those header fields vary a lot > among subsequent packets, where a certain amount of packet ID > collisions is tolerable or where packet IDs need to be unique > only for a small time interval. > > For including packet payload information the information element > ipPayloadPacketSection defined in [PSAMP-INFO] can be used. The > information element ipHeaderPacketSection can also be used. But > header fields that can change on the way from source to > destination have to be excluded from the packet ID generation, > because they may differ at different observation points. > > For reporting packet IDs generated by a CRC or hash function the > information element digestHashValue defined in [PSAMP-INFO] can > be used. > > 2.5.2 Examples > > The following examples show which information elements need to > be reported by IPFIX to generate specific QoS metrics. As an > alternative the metrics can be generated directly at the > exporter and IPIFX can be used to export the metrics (see > section 2.7) > > 2.5.2.1 RTT measurements with packet pair matching (single-point) > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 11] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > The passive measurement of round-trip-times (RTT) can be > performed by using packet pair matching techniques as described > in [Brow00]. For the measurements, request/response packet pairs > from protocols such as DNS, ICMP, SNMP or TCP (SYN/SYN_ACK, > DATA/ACK) are utilized to passively observe the RTT [Brow00]. > This technique requires the correlation of data from both > directions. > > Required information elements per packet (DNS example): > - Packet arrival time: observationTimeMicroseconds [PSAMP-INFO] > - DNS header: ipPayloadPacketSection [PSAMP-INFO] > > Required functions: > - Recognition of request/response packet pairs > > Remarks: > - Requires information elements from [PSAMP-INFO] > - observationTimeMicroseconds can be substituted by > flowStartMicroseconds [IPFIX-INFO], because a single packet > can be represented as a flow. > - If time values with a higher granularity are needed > observationTimeNanoseconds can be used. > > 2.5.2.2 One-way Delay Measurements (multi-point) > > Passive one-way-delay measurements require the collection of > data at two observation points. The recognition of packets at > the second observation point can be based on parts of the packet > content directly. A more efficient way is to use a packet ID > (generated from packet content). > > Required information elements per packet (with packet ID): > - Packet arrival time: observationTimeMicroseconds [PSAMP-INFO] > - Packet ID: digestHashValue [PSAMP-INFO] > > Required functions: > - packet ID generation > - delay calculation (from arrival times at the two observation > points) > > Remarks: > - Requires information elements from [PSAMP-INFO] > - observationTimeMicroseconds can be substituted by > flowStartMicroseconds [IPFIX-INFO], because a single packet > can be represented as a flow. > - If time values with a higher granularity are needed > observationTimeNanoseconds can be used. > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 12] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > - The amount of content used for ID generation influences the > number of collisions (different packets that map to the same > ID) that can occur. Investigations on this and other > considerations on packet ID generation can be found in > [GrDM98], [DuGr00], and [ZsZC01]. > > 2.6 Inter-Domain Exchange of IPFIX data > > IPFIX data can be used to share information with neighbor > providers. A few recommendations should to be considered if > IPFIX records travel over the public Internet compared to its > usage within a single domain. First of all, security threats are > higher if data travels over the public Internet. Protection > against disclosure or manipulation of data is even more > important than for intra-domain usage. Therefore IPsec or > Transport Layer Security (TLS) should be used as described in > [IPFIX-PROTO]. > > Furthermore data transfer should be congestion-aware in order to > allow untroubled co-existence with other data flows. That means > transport over SCTP or TCP is required. > > Some ISPs are still reluctant to share information due to > concerns that competing ISPs might exploit network information > from neighbor providers to strengthen their own position in the > market. Nevertheless, technical needs have already triggered the > exchange of data in the past (e.g. exchange of routing > information by BGP). The need to provide inter-domain guarantees > is one big incentive to increase inter-domain cooperation. The > necessity to defend networks against current and future threats > (denial of service attacks, worm distributions, etc.) will > hopefully increase the willingness to exchange measurement data > between providers. > > 2.7 Export of Derived Metrics > > > The IPFIX protocol is used to transport flow and packet > information to provide the input for the calculation of a > variety metrics (e.g. for QoS validation or attack detection). > IPFIX can also be used to transfer these metrics directly, e.g. > if the metric calculation is co-located with measurement and > exporting process. > > It doesn't matter which measurement and post-processing > functions are applied to generate a specific metric. IPFIX can > be used to transport the results from passive and active > measurements and from post-processing operations. For the > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 13] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > reporting of derived metrics additional information elements > need to be defined. > > 2.8 Summary > > The following table shows an overview of the information > elements required for the target applications described in > [RFC3917] (M-mandatory, R-recommended, O-optional). > > | Application |[IPFIX-INFO]| [PSAMP-INFO] | additional IEs | > +-------------+------------+--------------+-----------------+ > | Accounting | M | - | - | > +-------------+------------+--------------+-----------------+ > | Traffic | M | O | - | > | Profiling | | | | > +-------------+------------+--------------+-----------------+ > | Traffic | M | - | O | > | Engineering | | | (routing info) | > +-------------+------------+--------------+-----------------+ > | Attack | M | R | R | > | Detection | | |(derived metrics)| > +-------------+------------+--------------+-----------------+ > | QoS | M | M | O | > | Monitoring | |(most metrics)|(derived metrics)| > +-------------+------------+--------------+-----------------+ > > For accounting the IEs in [IPFIX-INFO] are sufficient. For > traffic profiling additionally IEs from [PSAMP-INFO] can be > useful to gain more insight into the traffic. For traffic > engineering flow information from [IPFIX-INFO] is sufficient but > it would profit from routing information, which could be > exported by IPFIX. Attack detection usually profits from further > insight into the traffic. This can be achieved with IEs from > [PSAMP-INFO]. Furthermore the reporting of derived metrics in > additional IEs would be useful. Most QoS metrics require the use > of IEs from [PSAMP-INFO]. IEs from [PSAMP-INFO]are also useful > for the mapping of results from different observation points as > described in section 2.5.1. > > 3. Relation of IPFIX to Other Frameworks and Protocols > > 3.1 IPFIX and PSAMP > > PSAMP defines packet selection methods, their configuration at > routers and probes and the reporting of packet information. > > PSAMP uses IPIFX as basis for exporting packet information > [PSAMP-PROTO]. [PSAMP-INFO] describes further information > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 14] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > elements for exporting packet information and reporting > configuration information. > > The main difference between IPFIX and PSAMP is that IPFIX > addresses the export of flow records whereas PSAMP addresses the > export of packet records. Furthermore, PSAMP explicitly > addresses remote configuration. It defines a MIB for the > configuration of packet selection processes. Remote > configuration is not (yet) addressed in IPFIX, but one could > consider extending the PSAMP MIB to also allow configuration of > IPFIX processes. > > 3.2 IPFIX and RMON > > RMON [RFC3577] is a widely used monitoring system that gathers > traffic data from RMON Agents in network devices in a general > way using SNMP. The RMON MIB is divided into sections, each > section providing different monitoring functions. For example, > the 'Hosts' section gathers statistics for hosts which are > active on the network being monitored. > > RMON has three MIBs that deal with flow information: > > - The Application Performance Measurement MIB (APM-MIB) > [RFC3729] has a complex system for tracking user application > performance, with flow reporting and SLA threshold > notification-trigger configuration, and persistence across > DHCP lease expirations. It requires full RMON2-MIB > protocolDirTable implementation. > > - The Transport Performance Metrics MIB (TPM-MIB) [RFC4150] > breaks out the APM-MIB user flow data into statistics based on > the IPPM metrics. It requires APM-MIB and RMON2-MIB. > > - The Synthetic Sources for Performance Monitoring Algorithms > MIB (SSPM-MIB) [RFC4149] is used to configure and run packet > and flow generators for performance testing purposes. It > requires RMON2-MIB. > > 3.3 IPFIX and IPPM > > The IPFIX protocol can be used to carry IPPM network performance > metrics or information that can be used to calculate those > metrics (see sections 2.5 and 2.7). > > 3.4 IPFIX and AAA > > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 15] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > AAA defines a protocol and architecture for authentication, > authorization and accounting for service usage [RFC2903]. The > DIAMETER protocol [RFC3588] is used for AAA communication, which > is needed for network access services (Mobile IP, NASREQ, and > ROAMOPS). The AAA architecture [RFC2903] provides a framework > for extending AAA support to other services. DIAMETER defines > the exchange of messages between AAA entities, e.g. between AAA > clients at access devices and AAA servers, and among AAA > servers. DIAMETER is used for the transfer of accounting > records. In order to form accounting records for usage-based > accounting measurement data from the network is required. IPFIX > defines a protocol to export such data from routers, measurement > probes and other devices. Therefore it looks promising to > connect those two architectures. > > As shown in section 2.1 accounting can be realized without an > AAA infrastructure. Accounting applications can directly > incorporate an IPFIX collecting process to receive IPFIX records > with information about the transmitted volume. Nevertheless, if > an AAA infrastructure is in place, the cooperation between IPFIX > and AAA provides many valuable synergistic benefits. IPFIX > records can provide the input for AAA accounting functions and > provide the basis for the generation of DIAMETER accounting > records. Further potential features include the mapping of a > user ID to flow information (by using authentication > information) or facilitating the secure authorized exchange of > DIAMETER accounting records with neighbor domains. The last > feature is especially useful in roaming scenarios where the user > connects to a foreign network and the home provider generates > the invoice. > > Coupling an IPFIX collecting process with AAA functions has also > high potential for intrusion and attack detection. AAA controls > network access and maintains data about users and nodes. AAA > functions can help to identify the source of malicious traffic. > They are able to deny access to suspicious users or nodes. > Therefore coupling those functions with an IPFIX collecting > process can provide an efficient defense against network > attacks. Sharing IPFIX records (either directly or encapsulated > in DIAMETER) with neighbor providers allows an efficient inter- > domain attack detection. The AAA infrastructure can also be used > to configure measurement functions in the network as proposed in > [RFC3334]. > > Two possibilities exist to connect IPFIX and AAA: > > - Connecting via an AAA Client > - Connecting via an Application Specific Module (ASM) > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 16] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > > Both are explained in the following sections. The approaches > only require few additional functions. They do not require any > changes to IPFIX or DIAMETER. > > 3.4.1 Connecting via an AAA Client > > One possibility of connecting IPFIX and AAA is to run an AAA > client on the IPFIX collector. This client can generate DIAMETER > accounting messages and send them to an AAA server. The mapping > of the flow information to a user ID can be done in the AAA > server by using data from the authentication process. DIAMETER > accounting messages can be sent to the accounting application or > to other AAA servers (e.g. in roaming scenarios). > > +---------+ DIAMETER +---------+ > | AAA-S |------------->| AAA-S | > +---------+ +---------+ > ^ > | DIAMETER > | > | > +--+--------+--+ > | | AAA-C | | > + +--------+ | > | | > | Collector | > +--------------+ > ^ > | IPFIX > | > +------------+ > | Exporter | > +------------+ > > Figure 2: IPFIX collector connects to AAA server via AAA client > > 3.4.2 Connecting via an Application Specific Module (ASM) > > Another possibility is to directly connect the IPFIX collector > with the AAA server via an application specific module (ASM). > Application specific modules have been proposed by the IRTF AAA > architecture research group (AAARCH) in [RFC2903]. They act as > an interface between AAA server and service equipment. In this > case the IPFIX collector is part of the ASM. The ASM acts as an > interface between the IPFIX protocol and the input interface of > the AAA server. The ASM translates the received IPFIX data into > an appropriate format for the AAA server. The AAA server then > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 17] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > can add information about the user ID and generate a DIAMETER > accounting record. This accounting record can be sent to an > accounting application or to other AAA servers. > > +---------+ DIAMETER +---------+ > | AAA-S |------------->| AAA-S | > +---------+ +---------+ > ^ > | > +------------------+ > | ASM | > | +------------+ | > | | Collector | | > +------------------+ > ^ > | IPFIX > | > +------------+ > | Exporter | > +------------+ > > Figure 3: IPFIX connects to AAA server via ASM > > 3.5 IPFIX and RTFM > > The Real-time Traffic Flow Measurement (RTFM) working group > defined an architecture for flow measurement [RFC2722]. This > section compares the Real-time Traffic Flow Measurement (RTFM) > framework with the IPFIX framework. > > 3.5.1 Architecture > > The RTFM architecture is very similar to the IPFIX architecture. > It defines meter, meter reader and a manager as building blocks > of the measurement architecture. The manager configures the > meter and the meter reader collects data from the meter. > In RTFM the building blocks communicate via SNMP. > The IPFIX architecture [IPFIX-ARCH] defines metering, exporting > and collecting processes. IPFIX speaks about processes instead > of devices to clarify that multiple of those processes may be > collocated on the same machine. > Both definitions do not contradict each other. One could see the > metering process as part of the meter and the collecting process > as part of the meter reader. > One difference is that IPFIX currently does not define a > managing process, because remote configuration was at least > initially out of scope for the working group. > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 18] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > 3.5.2 Flow Definition > > RTFM and IPFIX both consider flows as a group of packets which > share a common set of properties. A flow is completely specified > by that set of values, together with a termination criterion > (like inactivity timeout). > > A difference is that RTFM defines flows as bidirectional. An > RTFM meter matches packets from B to A and A to B as separate > parts of a single flow, and maintains two sets of packet and > byte counters, one for each direction. > > IPFIX does not explicitly state whether flows are uni- or > bidirectional. Nevertheless information elements for describing > flow properties were defined only for one direction in [IPFIX- > INFO]. Nevertheless, there are several solutions for reporting > bi-directional flow information (see section 4.5). > > 3.5.3 Configuration and Management > > In RTFM, remote configuration is the only way to configure a > meter. This is done by using SNMP and a specific Meter MIB [RFC > 2720]. The IPFIX group currently does not address IPFIX remote > configuration. > > IPFIX metering processes export the layout of data within their > templates, from time to time. IPFIX collecting processes use > that template information to determine how they should interpret > the IPFIX flow data they receive. > > 3.5.4 Data Collection > > One major difference between IPFIX and RTFM is the data > collection model. RTFM retrieves data in pull mode whereas IPFIX > uses a push mode model to send data to collecting processes. > > An RTFM meter reader pulls data from a meter by using SNMP. SNMP > security on the meter determines whether a reader is allowed to > pull data from it. An IPFIX exporting process is configured to > export records to a specified list of IPFIX collecting > processes. The condition when to send IPFIX records (e.g. flow > termination) has to be configured in the exporting or metering > process. > > 3.5.5 Data Model Details > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 19] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > RTFM defines all its attributes in the RTFM Meter MIB [RFC > 2720]. IPFIX information elements are defined in [IPFIX-INFO]. > > RTFM uses continuously-incrementing 64-bit counters for the > storage of the number of packets of a flow. The counters are > never reset and just wrap back to zero if the maximum value is > exceeded. Flows can be read at any time. The difference between > counter readings gives the counts for activity in the interval > between readings. > IPFIX allows absolute (totalCounter) and relative counters > (deltaCounter) [IPFIX-INFO]. The totalCounter is never reset and > just wraps to zero if values are too large, exactly as the > counters used in RTFM. The deltaCounter is reset to zero when > the associated flow record is exported. > > 3.5.6 Transport Protocol > > RTFM has a standards-track Meter MIB [RFC 2720], which is used > both to configure a meter and to store metering results. The > MIB provides a way to read lists of attributes with a single > Object Identifier (called a 'package'), which reduces the SNMP > overhead for flow data collection. SNMP, of course, normally > uses UDP as its transport protocol. Since RTFM requires a > reliable flow data transport system, an RTFM meter reader must > time out and resend unanswered SNMP requests. Apart from being > clumsy, this can limit the maximum data transfer rate from meter > to meter reader. > > IPFIX is designed to work over a variety of different transport > protocols. SCTP [RFC2960] and SCTP-PR [RFC3758] are mandatory. > UDP and TCP are optional. In addition, the IPFIX protocol > encodes data much more efficiently than SNMP does, hence IPFIX > has lower data transport overheads than RTFM. > > 3.5.7 Summary > > IPFIX exports flow information in push model by using SCTP, TCP > or UDP. It currently does not address remote configuration. RTFM > data collection is using the pull model and runs over SNMP. RTFM > addresses remote configuration which also runs over SNMP. Both > frameworks allow a very flexible flow definition, although RTFM > is based on a bi-directional flow definition. > > 4. Limitations > > > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 20] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > The goal of this section is to show the limitations of IPFIX and > to give advice where not to use IPFIX or in which cases > additional considerations are required. > > 4.1 Using IPFIX for other Applications than in RFC3917 > > IPFIX provides a generic export mechanism. Due to its template > based structure, it is a quite flexible protocol. Network > operators and users may want to use it also for other > applications than those described in [RFC 3917]. > > Apart from sending raw flow information it can be used to send > aggregated or post-processed data. For this new templates and > information elements can be defined if needed. Due to its push > mode operation IPFIX is also suited to send network initiated > events like alarms and other notifications. It can be used for > exchanging information among network nodes to autonomously > improve network operation. > > Nevertheless, the IPFIX design is based on the requirements that > originate only from the target applications stated in [RFC > 3917]. Using IPFIX for other purposes requires a careful > checking of IPFIX capabilities against application requirements. > Only with this, can one decide whether IPFIX is a suitable > protocol to meet the needs of a specific application. > > 4.2 Using a Different Transport Protocol than SCTP > > SCTP is the preferred protocol for IPFIX, i.e. a conforming > implementation must work over SCTP. Although IPFIX can also work > over TCP or UDP, both protocols have drawbacks [IPFIX-PROTO]. > Users should make sure they have good reasons befor using > protocols other than SCTP in a specific environment. > > 4.3 Push vs. Pull Mode > > IPFIX works in push mode. That means IPFIX records are > automatically exported without waiting for a request. > The responsibility for initiating a data export lies with the > exporting process. > > Criteria for exporting data need to be configured at the > exporting process. Therefore push mode has more benefits if the > trigger for data export is related to events at the exporting > process (e.g. flow termination, memory shortage due to large > amount of flows, etc.). If the protocol used pull mode, the > exporting process would need to wait for a request to send the > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 21] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > data. With push mode it can send data immediately e.g. before > memory shortage would require a discarding of data. > > With push mode one can prevent the overloading of resources at > the exporting process by simply exporting the information as > soon as certain thresholds are about to exceed. Therefore > exporting criteria are often related to traffic characteristics > (e.g. flow timeout) or resource limitations (e.g. size of flow > cache). But traffic characteristics are usually quite dynamic > and often impossible to predict. If those are used to trigger > flow export, the exporting rate and the resource consumption for > flow export becomes variable and unpredictable. > > Pull mode has advantages if the trigger for data export is > related to events at the collecting process (e.g. a specific > application requests immediate input). > > In a pull mode, a request could simply be forwarded to the > exporting process. In a push mode, the exporting configuration > must be changed to trigger the export of the requested data. > Furthermore, with pull mode one can prevent the overloading of > the collecting process by the arrival of more records than it > can process. > > Whether this is a relevant drawback depends on the flexibility > of the IPFIX configuration and how IPFIX configuration rules are > implemented. > > > 4.4 Template ID number > > The IPFIX specification limits the different template ID numbers > that can be assigned to the newly generated template records in > an observation domain. In particular, template IDs up to 255 are > reserved for Template or option sets (or other sets to be > created) and template IDs from 256 to 65535 are assigned to data > sets. In the case of many exports requiring many different > templates, the set of Template IDs could be exhausted. > > 4.5 Exporting Bidirectional Flow Information > > Although IPFIX does not explicitly state that flows are > unidirectional, information elements that describe flow > characteristics are defined only for one direction in [IPFIX- > INFO]. [IPFIX-PROTO] allows the reporting of multiple identical > information elements in one flow record. With this information > elements for forward and reverse direction can be reported in > one flow record. > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 22] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > > But this is not sufficient. Using this feature for reporting > bidirectional flow information would require an agreement on the > semantic of information elements (e.g. first counter is counter > for the forward direction, second counter for reverse > direction). > > Another option is to use two adjacent flow records to report > both directions of a bidirectional flow separately. This > approach requires additional means for mapping those records and > is quite inefficient due to the redundant reporting of flow > keys. > > 4.6 IPFIX and IPv6 > > There are two issues to consider: > > - Generation and reporting of IPFIX records about IPv6 traffic > - Exporting IPFIX records over IPv6 > > The generation and reporting of IPFIX records about IPv6 traffic > is possible as appropriate information elements exist in [IPFIX- > INFO]. > Exporting IPFIX records over IPv6 is not explicitly addressed in > [IPFIX-PROTO]. Since IPFIX runs over SCTP, SCTP-PR, UDP or TCP, > it is trivial to run IPFIX over IPv6 networks, provided that the > transport protocol being used to carry IPFIX is running on the > IPv6 network. > > 5. Security Considerations > > This document describes the usage of IPFIX in various scenarios. > Security requirements for IPFIX target applications and security > considerations for IPFIX are addressed in [RFC3917] and [IPFIX- > PROTO]. Those requirements have to be met for the usage of > IPFIX. To our current knowledge, the usage scenarios proposed in > section 2 do not induce further security hazards. > > Section 3 of this document describes how IPFIX can be used in > combination with other frameworks. New security hazards can > arise when two individually secure frameworks are combined. For > the combination of AAA with IPFIX an application specific module > (ASM) or an IPFIX collector can function as transit point for > the messages. It has to be ensured that at this point the > applied security mechanisms (e.g. encryption of messages) are > maintained. > > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 23] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > 6. Normative References > > [IPFIX-INFO] J. Quittek, S. Bryant, J. Meyer, "Information Model > for IP Flow Information Export", Internet Draft > , work in progress, May > 2005 > > [IPFIX-PROTO] B. Claise (Editor), "IPFIX Protocol Specification", > Internet Draft , > work in progress, April 2006 > > [PSAMP-INFO] T. Dietz, F. Dressler, G. Carle, B. Claise, > "Information Model for Packet Sampling Exports", > Internet Draft , work > in progress, March 2006 > > [RFC3917] J. Quittek, T. Zseby, B. Claise, S. Zander, > "Requirements for IP Flow Information Export", RFC > 3917, October 2004 > > 7. Informative References > > [Brow00] Nevil Brownlee, "Packet Matching for NeTraMet > Distributions", > http://www2.auckland.ac.nz/net//Internet/rtfm/meeti > ngs/47-adelaide/pp-dist/ > > [DuGr00] Nick Duffield, Matthias Grossglauser, "Trajectory > Sampling for Direct Traffic Observation", > Proceedings of ACM SIGCOMM 2000, Stockholm, Sweden, > August 28 - September 1, 2000 > > [GrDM98] Ian D. Graham, Stephen F. Donnelly, Stele Martin, > Jed Martens, John G. Cleary, "Nonintrusive and > Accurate Measurement of Unidirectional Delay and > Delay Variation on the Internet", INET'98, Geneva, > Switzerland, 21-24 July, 1998 > > [IPFIX-ARCH] G. Sadasivan, N. Brownlee, B. Claise, J. Quittek, > "Architecture for IP Flow Information Export", > Internet Draft 08.txt>, work in progress, March 2005 > > [PSAMP-PROTO] Benoit Claise (Ed.), Packet Sampling (PSAMP) > Protocol Specifications, Internet Draft ietf-psamp-protocol-04.txt>, work in progress, > March 2006 > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 24] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > [PSAMP-TECH] T. Zseby, M. Molina, N. Duffield, S. Niccolini, F. > Raspall, "Sampling and Filtering Techniques for IP > Packet Selection" Internet Draft sample-tech-07.txt>, work in progress, July 2005 > > [RFC2598] V. Jacobson, K. Nichols, K. Poduri, "An Expedited > Forwarding PHB", RFC 2598, June 1999 > > [RFC2679] G. Almes, S. Kalidindi, M. Zekauskas, "A One-way > Delay Metric for IPPM", RFC 2679, September 1999 > > [RFC2680] G. Almes, S. Kalidindi, M. Zekauskas, "A One-way > Packet Loss Metric for IPPM",RFC 2680, September > 1999 > > [RFC2681] G. Almes, S. Kalidindi, M. Zekauskas, "A Round-trip > Delay Metric for IPPM", RFC 2681, September 1999 > > [RFC2702] D. Awduche, J. Malcolm, J. Agogbua, M. O'Dell, J. > McManus, "Requirements for Traffic Engineering Over > MPLS", RFC 2702, September 1999 > > [RFC2722] Brownlee, N., Mills, C., G. Ruth, "Traffic Flow > Measurement: Architecture", RFC 2722, October 1999 > > [RFC2903] C. de Laat, G. Gross, L. Gommans, J. Vollbrecht, D. > Spence, "Generic AAA Architecture", RFC 2903, > August 2000 > > [RFC2960] R. Stewart (ed.) "Stream Control Transmission > Protocol", RFC 2960, October 2000 > > [RFC2975] B. Aboba, J. Arkko, D. Harrington, "Introduction to > Accounting Management", RFC 2975, October 2000 > > [RFC3330] IANA, "Special-Use IPv4 Addresses", RFC 3330 > September 2002 > > [RFC3334] T. Zseby, S. Zander, G. Carle, "Policy-Based > Accounting", RFC 3334, October 2002 > > [RFC3393] C. Demichelis, P. Cimento, "IP Packet Delay > Variation Metric for IPPM", RFC 3393, November 2002 > > [RFC3577] S. Waldbusser, R. Cole, C. Kalbfleisch, > D.Romascanu, "Introduction to the Remote Monitoring > (RMON) Family of MIB Module", RFC 3577, August 2003 > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 25] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > [RFC3588] P. Calhoun, J. Loughney, E. Guttman, G. Zorn, J. > Arkko, "Diameter Base Protocol", RFC 3588, > September 2003 > > [RFC3729] S. Waldbusser, "Application Performance Measurement > MIB", RFC 3729, March 2004 > > [RFC3758] R. Stewart, M. Ramalho, Q. Xie, M. Tuexen, P. > Conrad, "Stream Control Transmission Protocol > (SCTP) Partial Reliability Extension", RFC 3758, > May 2004 > > [RFC4149] C. Kalbfleisch, R. Cole, D. Romascanu, "Definition > of Managed Objects for Synthetic Sources for > Performance Monitoring Algorithms", RFC 4149, > August 2005 > > [RFC4150] R. Dietz, R. Cole, "Transport Performance Metrics > MIB", RFC 4150, August 2005 > > [ZsZC01] T. Zseby, S. Zander, G. Carle, "Evaluation of > Building Blocks for Passive One-way-delay > Measurements", Proceedings of Passive and Active > Measurement Workshop (PAM 2001), Amsterdam, The > Netherlands, April 23-24, 2001 > > 8. Acknowledgements > > We would like to thank the following persons for their > contribution, discussion on the mailing list and valuable > comments: > > Sebastian Zander > Robert Loewe > Reinaldo Penno > Lutz Mark > Andy Biermann > > Part of the work has been developed in the research project 6QM > co-funded with support from the European Commission. > > 9. Authors' Addresses > > Tanja Zseby > Fraunhofer Institute for Open Communication Systems (FOKUS) > Kaiserin-Augusta-Allee 31 > 10589 Berlin, Germany > Phone: +49 30 3463 7153 > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 26] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > Email: zseby@fokus.fhg.de > > Elisa Boschi > Hitachi Europe SAS > Immeuble Le Theleme > 1503 Route des Dolines > 06560 Valbonne, France > Phone: +33 4 89874180 > Email: elisa.boschi@hitachi-eu.com > > Nevil Brownlee > CAIDA (UCSD/SDSC) > 9500 Gilman Drive > La Jolla, CA 92093-0505 > Phone : +1 858 534 8338 > Email : nevil@caida.org > > Benoit Claise > Cisco Systems > De Kleetlaan 6a b1 > 1831 Diegem > Belgium > Phone: +32 2 704 5622 > Email: bclaise@cisco.com > > 10.Full Copyright Statement > > "Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2006). 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Minor edit: OctetDeltaCount -> octetDeltaCount

Regards, Benoit.
Hi all,

I submitted an update of the IPFIX-AS draft (attached).

Main changes are:
- added more details (e.g. required IEs) to target application examples
(applications from RFC3917) 
- shortend/removed some sections (especially the exotic examples) and
tried to put less promotional text ;-)
- RFC3330 conformant example addresses (with /25 subnetting)
- sections re-aranged in accordance to importance (e.g. IPFIX/PSAMP
relations before IPFIX/AAA relations)
- summary added with overview table 

Benoit, I guess the example address in the protocol draft also need to
be changed for conformance with RFC3330. 

Regards,
Tanja
  





                                                                         
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                                                                 Hitachi 
                                                          Nevil Brownlee 
                                                                   CAIDA 
                                                           Benoit Claise 
                                                           Cisco Systems 
                                                                         
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    Abstract 
     
    This document describes the applicability of the IP Flow 
    Information Export (IPFIX) protocol for a variety of 
    applications. It shows how applications can use IPFIX, describes 
    the relevant information elements (IEs) and shows opportunities 
    and limitations of the protocol. The document furthermore 
    describes relations of the IPFIX framework to other 
    architectures and frameworks. 
  









































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 Table of Contents 
    1.   Introduction.............................................4 
    2.   Applications of IPFIX....................................4 
    2.1  Accounting...............................................4 
    2.1.1 Example.................................................5 
    2.2  Traffic Profiling........................................7 
    2.3  Traffic Engineering......................................7 
    2.4  Network Security.........................................8 
    2.5  QoS Monitoring..........................................10 
    2.5.1 Correlating Events from Multiple Observation Points....11 
    2.5.2 Examples...............................................11 
    2.6  Inter-Domain Exchange of IPFIX data.....................13 
    2.7  Export of Derived Metrics...............................13 
    2.8  Summary.................................................14 
    3.   Relation of IPFIX to Other Frameworks and Protocols.....14 
    3.1  IPFIX and PSAMP.........................................14 
    3.2  IPFIX and RMON..........................................15 
    3.3  IPFIX and IPPM..........................................15 
    3.4  IPFIX and AAA...........................................16 
    3.4.1 Connecting via an AAA Client...........................17 
    3.4.2 Connecting via an Application Specific Module (ASM)....17 
    3.5  IPFIX and RTFM..........................................18 
    3.5.1 Architecture...........................................18 
    3.5.2 Flow Definition........................................19 
    3.5.3 Configuration and Management...........................19 
    3.5.4 Data Collection........................................19 
    3.5.5 Data Model Details.....................................20 
    3.5.6 Transport Protocol.....................................20 
    3.5.7 Summary................................................20 
    4.   Limitations.............................................21 
    4.1  Using IPFIX for other Applications than in RFC3917......21 
    4.2  Using a Different Transport Protocol than SCTP..........21 
    4.3  Push vs. Pull Mode......................................21 
    4.4  Template ID number......................................22 
    4.5  Exporting Bidirectional Flow Information................22 
    4.6  IPFIX and IPv6..........................................23 
    5.   Security Considerations.................................23 
    6.   Normative References....................................24 
    7.   Informative References..................................24 
    8.   Acknowledgements........................................26 
    9.   Authors' Addresses......................................26 
    10.  Full Copyright Statement................................27 
    11.  Intellectual Property Statement.........................27 
    12.  Copyright Statement.....................................28 
    13.  Disclaimer..............................................28 
     
  





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 1. Introduction 
  
    The IPFIX protocol defines how IP Flow information can be 
    exported from routers, measurement probes or other devices. It 
    is intended to provide this information as input to various 
    applications. IPFIX is a general data transport protocol, easily 
    extensible to suit the needs of different applications. This 
    document describes how typical applications that can use the 
    IPFIX protocol. It shows opportunities and limitations of the 
    protocol. Furthermore, the relationship of IPFIX to other 
    frameworks and architectures is described. 
     
 2. Applications of IPFIX 
     
    IPFIX data enables several critical applications. The IPFIX 
    target applications and the requirements that originate from 
    those applications are described in [RFC3917]. Those 
    requirements were used as basis for the design of the IPFIX 
    protocol. This section describes how these target applications 
    can use the IPFIX protocol. Considerations for using IPFIX for 
    other applications than described in [RFC3917] can be found in 
    section 4.1. 
  
  2.1 Accounting 
  
    Usage based accounting is one of the major applications for 
    which the IPFIX protocol has been developed. IPFIX records 
    provide fine-grained measurement results for highly flexible and 
    detailed resource usage accounting.  
    In order to realize usage-based accounting with IPFIX the flow 
    definition has to be chosen in accordance to the tariff model.  
    Flows can be distinguished by various IEs (e.g. packet header 
    fields) from [IPFIX-INFO]. Due to the flexible IPFIX flow 
    definition, arbitrary flow-based accounting models can be 
    realized without extensions to the IPFIX protocol. 
     
    A tariff can, for instance, be based on individual end-to-end 
    flows, in which case accounting can be realized with a flow 
    definition determined by the quintuple consisting of source 
    address (sourceIPv4Address), destination address 
    (destinationIPv4Address), protocol (protocolIdentifier) and port 
    numbers (e.g., udpSourcePort, udpDestinationPort). Another 
    example is a class-dependent tariff (e.g. in a DiffServ 
    network). In this case flows could be distinguished just by the 
    DiffServ codepoint (DSCP) (ipDiffServCodePoint) and IP addresses 
    (sourceIPv4Address, destinationIPv4Address). The essential 
    elements needed for accounting are the number of transferred 





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    packets and bytes per flow, which can be represented by the per-
    flow counter IEs (e.g., packetTotalCount, octetTotalCount). 
  
    For accounting purposes, it would be advantageous to have the 
    ability to use IPFIX flow records as accounting input in an AAA 
    infrastructure. AAA servers then could provide the mapping 
    between user and flow information. 
     
    Note that the reliability requirements defined in [RFC3917] are 
    not sufficient to guarantee the level of reliability that is 
    needed for many usage-based accounting systems. Particular 
    reliability requirements for accounting systems are discussed in 
    [RFC2975].  
  
 2.1.1 Example 
  
    Please note: [RFC3330] demands the use of the address block 
    192.0.2.0/24 for example addresses. In the example below we use 
    two example networks. In order to be conformant to [RFC3330] we 
    divide the given address block into two networks by subnetting 
    with a 25 bit netmask (192.0.2.0/25) as follows: 
     
    Network A: 192.0.2.0 ... 192.0.2.127 
    Network B: 192.0.2.128 ... 192.0.2.255 
  
    Let's suppose someone has a Service Level Agreement (SLA) in a 
    DiffServ network requiring accounting based on traffic volume. 
    Flows are distinguished by source and destination address. The 
    information to export in this case is: 
        - IPv4 source IP address: sourceIPv4Address in [IPFIX-INFO], 
         with a length of 4 octets 
        - IPv4 destination IP address: destinationIPv4Address in 
         [IPFIX-INFO], with a length of 4 octets 
        - DSCP: ipDiffServCodePoint in [IPFIX-INFO], with a length of 
         1 octet 
        - Number of octets of the Flow: OctetDeltaCount in [IPFIX-
         INFO], with a length of 4 octets  
         
    The template set will look as follows:  
  
          +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+   
          |         Set ID = 2            |      Length = 24 octets       |   
          +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+   
          |       Template ID 256         |       Field Count = 4         |   
          +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+   
          |0|    sourceIPv4Address = 8    |       Field Length = 4        |   
          +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+   
          |0| destinationIPv4Address = 12 |       Field Length = 4        |   
          +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+   




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          |0|  ipDiffServCodePoint = 195  |       Field Length = 1        |   
          +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+   
          |0|     OctetDeltaCount = 1     |       Field Length = 4        |  
          +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+   
     
    The information to be exported might be as listed in the 
    following example table: 
     
    Src. IP addr. | Dst. IP addr. |  DSCP  | Octets Number   
    --------------+---------------+--------+-------------- 
    192.0.2.12    |  192.0.2.144  |   46   |   120868        
    192.0.2.24    |  192.0.2.156  |   46   |   310364 
    192.0.2.36    |  192.0.2.168  |   46   |   241239 
            
    In the example we use Diffserv CodePoint 46, recommended for the 
    Expedited Forwarding Per Hop Behavior (EF PHB) in [RFC2598]. 
     
    The Flow Records will then look as follows: 
     
        0                   1                   2                   3  
        0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1  
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+  
       |          Set ID = 256         |          Length = 43          |  
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+  
       |                          192.0.2.12                           | 
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+  
       |                          192.0.2.144                          |  
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+  
       |      46       |               120868                          |  
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+  
       |               |               192.0.2.24                      |  
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ 
       |               |               192.0.2.156                     |  
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+   
       |               |       46      |                 310364        |  
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+  
       |                               |         192.0.2.36            |   
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+  
       |                               |         192.0.2.168           |   
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ 
       |                               |       46      |               |  
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+  
       |                   241239                      |     
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+  
     
  
  2.2 Traffic Profiling  
     




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    Measurement results reported in IPFIX records can be used for 
    traffic profiling. IPFIX records captured over a long period of 
    time can be used to track and anticipate network growth and 
    usage. Such Information is valuable for trend analysis and 
    network planning. 
     
    The parameters of interest are determined by the profiling 
    objectives. Example parameters for traffic profiling are flow 
    duration, flow volume, burstiness, the distribution of used 
    services and protocols, the amount of packets of a specific 
    type, etc. [RFC3917].  
     
    The distribution of services and protocols in use can be 
    analyzed by configuring appropriate flows keys for flow 
    discrimination. Protocols can be distinguished by the 
    protocolIdentifier IE. Portnumbers (e.g., udpDestinationPort) 
    often provide information about services in use. Those flow keys 
    are defined in [IPFIX-INFO]. If portnumbers are not sufficient 
    for service discrimination, further parts of the packet may be 
    needed. Header fields can be expressed by IEs from [IPFIX-INFO] 
    Packet payload can be reported by using the IE 
    ipPayloadPacketSection in [PSAMP-INFO]. 
  
    The flow duration can be calculated from the flow time stamp IEs 
    defined in [IPFIX-INFO] (e.g., flowEndMicroseconds - 
    flowStartMicroseconds). The number of packets and number of 
    bytes of a flow are represented in the per-flow counter IEs 
    (e.g., packetTotalCount, octetTotalCount). The burstiness of a 
    flow can be calculated from the flow volume measured at 
    different time intervals.  
  
  2.3 Traffic Engineering 
     
    Traffic engineering aims at the optimization of network resource 
    utilization and traffic performance [RFC2702]. Typical 
    parameters are link utilization, load between specific network, 
    nodes, number, size and entry/exit points of active flows and 
    routing information [RFC3917]. 
    Size of flows in packets and bytes can be reported by IEs 
    packetTotalCount, octetTotalCount. Link utilization can be 
    reported by using a coarse grained flow definition (e.g. based 
    on identifier IEs such as egressInterface or ingressInterface) 
    and per-flow counter IEs (e.g. packetTotalCount, 
    octetTotalCount) defined in [IPFIX-INFO].  
     
    The load between specific network nodes can be reported in the 
    same way if one interface of a network node receives only 





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    traffic from exactly one neighbor node (as usually the case). If 
    the ingress interface is not sufficient for an unambiguous  
    identification of the neighbor node, sub-IP header fields IEs 
    (like sourceMacAddress) can be added as flow keys. 
  
    The IE observedFlowTotalCount provides the number of all flows 
    exported for the observation domain since the last 
    initialization of the metering process [IPFIX-INFO]. If this IE 
    is exported at subsequent points in time, one can derive the 
    number of active flows in a specific time interval from the 
    difference of the reported counters. The configured flow 
    termination criteria have to be taken into account to interpret 
    that numbers correctly. 
  
    Entry and exit points can be derived from flow records if 
    metering processes are installed at all edges of the network and 
    results are mapped in accordance to flow keys. For this and 
    other analysis methods that require the mapping of records from 
    different observation points, the same flow keys should be used 
    at all observation points. The path that packets take through a 
    network can be investigated by using hash-based sampling 
    techniques as described in [DuGr00] and [PSAMP-TECH]. For this 
    IEs from [PSAMP-INFO] are needed. 
  
    Neither [IPFIX-INFO] nor [PSAMP-INFO] defines IEs suitable for 
    exporting routing information. 
     
  2.4 Network Security 
     
    Attack and intrusion detection are among the IPFIX target 
    applications described in [RFC3917]. Due to the enormous amount 
    of different network attack types, only general requirements 
    could be addressed in [RFC3917]. 
  
    IPFIX can export flow information for arbitrary flow definitions 
    as defined in [IPFIX-PROTO]. Packet information can be exported 
    with IPFIX by using the additional information elements 
    described in [PSAMP-INFO]. With this theoretically all 
    information about traffic in the network at IP layer and above 
    is accessible. This data can be used either directly to detect 
    anomalies or can provide the basis for further post processing 
    to generate more complex attack detection metrics.  
     
    Depending on the attack type different metrics are useful. A 
    sudden increase of traffic load can be a hint that an attack has 
    been launched. The overall traffic at an observation point can 
    be monitored using per-flow counter IEs like packetTotalCount, 
    octetTotalCount as described in 2.3. The number of active flows 




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    can be monitored by regular reporting of the 
    observedFlowTotalCount. 
     
    A sudden increase of flows from different sources to one 
    destination may be caused by an attack on a specific host or 
    network node using spoofed addresses. Many flows to the same 
    machine but on different ports or many flows to the same port 
    and different machines may be an indicator for vertical or 
    horizontal port scanning activities. An unusual ratio of TCP-SYN 
    to TCP-FIN packets can refer to SYN-flooding. Worms may leave 
    signatures in traffic patterns.  
     
    The amount of metrics useful for attack detection is as diverse 
    as attack patterns themselves. Attackers adapt rapidly to 
    circumvent detection methods and try to hide attack patterns 
    using slow or stealth attacks. Furthermore, unusual traffic 
    patterns are not always caused by malicious activities. A sudden 
    traffic increase may be caused by legitimate users who seek 
    access to a recently published content. Strange traffic patterns 
    may also be caused by mis-configuration.  
     
    The difficult task is the separation of good from bad packets to 
    prepare and launch counteraction. This may require a deeper look 
    into packet content by using further header field IEs from 
    [IPFIX-INFO] and/or packet payload from IE 
    ipPayloadPacketSection in [PSAMP-INFO]. Multi-step analysis 
    techniques may be useful, e.g., to launch an in-depth analysis 
    (e.g. based on packet information) in case the flow information 
    shows suspicious patterns. In order to supervise traffic to a 
    specific host or network node one has to apply filtering methods 
    as those described in [PSAMP-TECH]. 
  
    Mapping the two directions of a communication is often useful 
    for checking correct protocol behavior (see section 4.5). A 
    correlation of IPFIX data from multiple observation points (see 
    section 2.5.1) allows assessing the propagation of an attack and 
    can help to locate its source.  
     
    The integration of previous measurement results helps to review 
    traffic changes over time for detection of traffic anomalies and 
    provides the basis for forensic analysis. A standardized storage 
    format for IPIFX data would support the offline analysis of data 
    from different operators. 
     
    Nevertheless, capturing full packet traces at all observation 
    points in the network is not viable due to resource limitations 
    and privacy concerns. Therefore metrics should be chosen wisely 
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    Resources can be saved for instance by using coarser grained 
    flow definitions, reporting pre-processed metrics (e.g. with 
    additional information elements) or deployment of sampling 
    methods. 
  
    Detecting security incidents in real-time often requires the 
    pre-processing of data already at the measurement device. 
    Immediate data export in case of a potential incident is 
    desired. IPIFX supports such source-triggered exporting of 
    information due to the push model approach. Nevertheless, 
    further exporting criteria have to be implemented to export 
    IPFIX records upon incident detection events and not only upon 
    flow end or fixed time intervals. 
     
    Security incidents can become a threat to IPFIX processes 
    themselves (see also security considerations in [IPFIX-PROTO]). 
    If an attack generates a large amount of flows (e.g. by sending 
    packets with spoofed addresses or simulating flow termination) 
    exporting and collecting process may get overloaded by the 
    immense amount of records that are exported. A flexible 
    deployment of packet or flow sampling methods can prevent the 
    exhaustion of resources.    
     
    Intrusion detection would profit from the combination of IPFIX 
    functions with AAA functions (see section 3.4). Such an 
    interoperation enables further means for attacker detection, 
    advanced defense strategies and secure inter-domain cooperation. 
  
  2.5 QoS Monitoring 
     
    QoS monitoring is one target application of the IPFIX protocol 
    [RFC3917]. QoS monitoring is the passive observation of the 
    transmission quality for single flows or traffic aggregates in 
    the network. One example of its use is the validation of QoS 
    guarantees in service level agreements (SLAs). Typical QoS 
    parameters are loss [RFC2680], one-way [RFC2679] and round-trip 
    delay [RFC2681] and delay variation [RFC3393]. The calculation 
    of those QoS metrics requires per-packet processing. Reporting 
    packet information with IPFIX is possible by simply considering 
    a single packet as flow. [IPFIX-PROTO] also allows the reporting 
    of multiple identical information elements in one flow record. 
    Using this feature for reporting information about multiple 
    packets in one record would require additional agreement on 
    semantics regarding the order of information elements (e.g. 
    which timestamp belongs to which packet payload in a sequence of 
    information elements). [PSAMP-INFO] defines useful additional 
    information elements for exporting per packet information with 
    IPFIX.  




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 2.5.1 Correlating Events from Multiple Observation Points 
     
    Some QoS metrics require the correlation of data from multiple 
    observation points. For this the clocks of the involved metering 
    processes must be synchronized. Furthermore, it is necessary to 
    recognize that the same packet was observed at different 
    observation point. 
    This can be done by capturing parts of the packet content 
    (packet header and/or parts of the payload) that do not change 
    on the way to the destination. Based on the packet content it 
    can be recognized when the same packet arrived at another 
    observation point. To reduce the amount of measurement data a 
    unique packet ID can be calculated from the packet content e.g. 
    by using a CRC or hash function instead of transferring and 
    comparing the unprocessed content. Considerations on collision 
    probability and efficiency of using such packet IDs are 
    described in [GrDM98, DuGr00, ZsZC01]. 
     
    IPFIX allows the reporting of several IP and transport header 
    fields (see section 5.3 and 5.4 in [IPFIX-INFO]). Using only 
    those fields for packet recognition or ID generation can be 
    sufficient in scenarios where those header fields vary a lot 
    among subsequent packets, where a certain amount of packet ID 
    collisions is tolerable or where packet IDs need to be unique 
    only for a small time interval. 
     
    For including packet payload information the information element 
    ipPayloadPacketSection defined in [PSAMP-INFO] can be used. The 
    information element ipHeaderPacketSection can also be used. But 
    header fields that can change on the way from source to 
    destination have to be excluded from the packet ID generation, 
    because they may differ at different observation points.  
     
    For reporting packet IDs generated by a CRC or hash function the 
    information element digestHashValue defined in [PSAMP-INFO] can 
    be used. 
     
 2.5.2 Examples 
  
    The following examples show which information elements need to 
    be reported by IPFIX to generate specific QoS metrics. As an 
    alternative the metrics can be generated directly at the 
    exporter and IPIFX can be used to export the metrics (see 
    section 2.7) 
  
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    The passive measurement of round-trip-times (RTT) can be 
    performed by using packet pair matching techniques as described 
    in [Brow00]. For the measurements, request/response packet pairs 
    from protocols such as DNS, ICMP, SNMP or TCP (SYN/SYN_ACK, 
    DATA/ACK) are utilized to passively observe the RTT [Brow00]. 
    This technique requires the correlation of data from both 
    directions. 
     
    Required information elements per packet (DNS example):  
    - Packet arrival time: observationTimeMicroseconds [PSAMP-INFO]  
    - DNS header: ipPayloadPacketSection [PSAMP-INFO] 
     
    Required functions:  
    - Recognition of request/response packet pairs 
     
    Remarks: 
    - Requires information elements from [PSAMP-INFO] 
    - observationTimeMicroseconds    can    be    substituted    by 
       flowStartMicroseconds [IPFIX-INFO], because a single packet 
       can be represented as a flow. 
    - If  time  values  with  a  higher  granularity  are  needed 
       observationTimeNanoseconds can be used. 
  
 2.5.2.2 One-way Delay Measurements (multi-point) 
  
    Passive one-way-delay measurements require the collection of 
    data at two observation points. The recognition of packets at 
    the second observation point can be based on parts of the packet 
    content directly. A more efficient way is to use a packet ID 
    (generated from packet content). 
     
    Required information elements per packet (with packet ID): 
    - Packet arrival time: observationTimeMicroseconds [PSAMP-INFO]  
    - Packet ID: digestHashValue [PSAMP-INFO] 
     
    Required functions:  
    - packet ID generation 
    - delay calculation (from arrival times at the two observation 
       points) 
  
    Remarks: 
    - Requires information elements from [PSAMP-INFO] 
    - observationTimeMicroseconds    can    be    substituted    by 
       flowStartMicroseconds [IPFIX-INFO], because a single packet 
       can be represented as a flow. 
    - If  time  values  with  a  higher  granularity  are  needed 
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    - The amount of content used for ID generation influences the 
       number of collisions (different packets that map to the same 
       ID)  that  can  occur.  Investigations  on  this  and  other 
       considerations  on  packet  ID  generation  can  be  found  in 
       [GrDM98], [DuGr00], and [ZsZC01]. 
  
  2.6 Inter-Domain Exchange of IPFIX data 
     
    IPFIX data can be used to share information with neighbor 
    providers. A few recommendations should to be considered if 
    IPFIX records travel over the public Internet compared to its 
    usage within a single domain. First of all, security threats are 
    higher if data travels over the public Internet. Protection 
    against disclosure or manipulation of data is even more 
    important than for intra-domain usage. Therefore IPsec or 
    Transport Layer Security (TLS) should be used as described in 
    [IPFIX-PROTO]. 
     
    Furthermore data transfer should be congestion-aware in order to 
    allow untroubled co-existence with other data flows. That means 
    transport over SCTP or TCP is required.  
     
    Some ISPs are still reluctant to share information due to 
    concerns that competing ISPs might exploit network information 
    from neighbor providers to strengthen their own position in the 
    market. Nevertheless, technical needs have already triggered the 
    exchange of data in the past (e.g. exchange of routing 
    information by BGP). The need to provide inter-domain guarantees 
    is one big incentive to increase inter-domain cooperation. The 
    necessity to defend networks against current and future threats 
    (denial of service attacks, worm distributions, etc.) will 
    hopefully increase the willingness to exchange measurement data 
    between providers. 
     
  2.7  Export of Derived Metrics 
     
  
    The IPFIX protocol is used to transport flow and packet 
    information to provide the input for the calculation of a 
    variety metrics (e.g. for QoS validation or attack detection).  
    IPFIX can also be used to transfer these metrics directly, e.g. 
    if the metric calculation is co-located with measurement and 
    exporting process. 
     
    It doesn't matter which measurement and post-processing 
    functions are applied to generate a specific metric. IPFIX can 
    be used to transport the results from passive and active 
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    reporting of derived metrics additional information elements 
    need to be defined. 
  
  2.8 Summary 
     
    The following table shows an overview of the information 
    elements required for the target applications described in 
    [RFC3917] (M-mandatory, R-recommended, O-optional). 
  
    | Application |[IPFIX-INFO]| [PSAMP-INFO] | additional IEs  | 
    +-------------+------------+--------------+-----------------+ 
    | Accounting  |     M      |      -       |       -         | 
    +-------------+------------+--------------+-----------------+ 
    | Traffic     |     M      |      O       |       -         | 
    | Profiling   |            |              |                 | 
    +-------------+------------+--------------+-----------------+ 
    | Traffic     |     M      |      -       |       O         | 
    | Engineering |            |              | (routing info)  | 
    +-------------+------------+--------------+-----------------+ 
    | Attack      |     M      |      R       |       R         | 
    | Detection   |            |              |(derived metrics)| 
    +-------------+------------+--------------+-----------------+ 
    | QoS         |     M      |      M       |       O         | 
    | Monitoring  |            |(most metrics)|(derived metrics)| 
    +-------------+------------+--------------+-----------------+ 
  
    For accounting the IEs in [IPFIX-INFO] are sufficient. For 
    traffic profiling additionally IEs from [PSAMP-INFO] can be 
    useful to gain more insight into the traffic. For traffic 
    engineering flow information from [IPFIX-INFO] is sufficient but 
    it would profit from routing information, which could be 
    exported by IPFIX. Attack detection usually profits from further 
    insight into the traffic. This can be achieved with IEs from 
    [PSAMP-INFO]. Furthermore the reporting of derived metrics in 
    additional IEs would be useful. Most QoS metrics require the use 
    of IEs from [PSAMP-INFO]. IEs from [PSAMP-INFO]are also useful 
    for the mapping of results from different observation points as 
    described in section 2.5.1. 
  
 3. Relation of IPFIX to Other Frameworks and Protocols  
     
  3.1 IPFIX and PSAMP 
     
    PSAMP defines packet selection methods, their configuration at 
    routers and probes and the reporting of packet information.  
     
    PSAMP uses IPIFX as basis for exporting packet information 
    [PSAMP-PROTO]. [PSAMP-INFO] describes further information 




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    elements for exporting packet information and reporting 
    configuration information. 
  
    The main difference between IPFIX and PSAMP is that IPFIX 
    addresses the export of flow records whereas PSAMP addresses the 
    export of packet records. Furthermore, PSAMP explicitly 
    addresses remote configuration. It defines a MIB for the 
    configuration of packet selection processes. Remote 
    configuration is not (yet) addressed in IPFIX, but one could 
    consider extending the PSAMP MIB to also allow configuration of 
    IPFIX processes.  
  
  3.2 IPFIX and RMON 
     
    RMON [RFC3577] is a widely used monitoring system that gathers 
    traffic data from RMON Agents in network devices in a general 
    way using SNMP. The RMON MIB is divided into sections, each 
    section providing different monitoring functions.  For example, 
    the 'Hosts' section gathers statistics for hosts which are 
    active on the network being monitored. 
     
    RMON has three MIBs that deal with flow information: 
     
    - The Application Performance Measurement MIB (APM-MIB) 
       [RFC3729] has a complex system for tracking user application 
       performance, with flow reporting and SLA threshold 
       notification-trigger configuration, and persistence across 
       DHCP lease expirations. It requires full RMON2-MIB 
       protocolDirTable implementation. 
  
    - The Transport Performance Metrics MIB (TPM-MIB) [RFC4150] 
       breaks out the APM-MIB user flow data into statistics based on 
       the IPPM metrics. It requires APM-MIB and RMON2-MIB. 
  
    - The Synthetic Sources for Performance Monitoring Algorithms 
       MIB (SSPM-MIB) [RFC4149] is used to configure and run packet 
       and flow generators for performance testing purposes.  It 
       requires RMON2-MIB. 
  
  3.3 IPFIX and IPPM 
     
    The IPFIX protocol can be used to carry IPPM network performance 
    metrics or information that can be used to calculate those 
    metrics (see sections 2.5 and 2.7). 
     
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    AAA defines a protocol and architecture for authentication, 
    authorization and accounting for service usage [RFC2903]. The 
    DIAMETER protocol [RFC3588] is used for AAA communication, which 
    is needed for network access services (Mobile IP, NASREQ, and 
    ROAMOPS). The AAA architecture [RFC2903] provides a framework 
    for extending AAA support to other services. DIAMETER defines 
    the exchange of messages between AAA entities, e.g. between AAA 
    clients at access devices and AAA servers, and among AAA 
    servers. DIAMETER is used for the transfer of accounting 
    records. In order to form accounting records for usage-based 
    accounting measurement data from the network is required. IPFIX 
    defines a protocol to export such data from routers, measurement 
    probes and other devices. Therefore it looks promising to 
    connect those two architectures. 
     
    As shown in section 2.1 accounting can be realized without an 
    AAA infrastructure. Accounting applications can directly 
    incorporate an IPFIX collecting process to receive IPFIX records 
    with information about the transmitted volume. Nevertheless, if 
    an AAA infrastructure is in place, the cooperation between IPFIX 
    and AAA provides many valuable synergistic benefits. IPFIX 
    records can provide the input for AAA accounting functions and 
    provide the basis for the generation of DIAMETER accounting 
    records. Further potential features include the mapping of a 
    user ID to flow information (by using authentication 
    information) or facilitating the secure authorized exchange of 
    DIAMETER accounting records with neighbor domains. The last 
    feature is especially useful in roaming scenarios where the user 
    connects to a foreign network and the home provider generates 
    the invoice.   
     
    Coupling an IPFIX collecting process with AAA functions has also 
    high potential for intrusion and attack detection. AAA controls 
    network access and maintains data about users and nodes. AAA 
    functions can help to identify the source of malicious traffic. 
    They are able to deny access to suspicious users or nodes. 
    Therefore coupling those functions with an IPFIX collecting 
    process can provide an efficient defense against network 
    attacks. Sharing IPFIX records (either directly or encapsulated 
    in DIAMETER) with neighbor providers allows an efficient inter-
    domain attack detection. The AAA infrastructure can also be used 
    to configure measurement functions in the network as proposed in 
    [RFC3334]. 
     
    Two possibilities exist to connect IPFIX and AAA:  
     
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    Both are explained in the following sections. The approaches 
    only require few additional functions. They do not require any 
    changes to IPFIX or DIAMETER. 
     
 3.4.1 Connecting via an AAA Client 
     
    One possibility of connecting IPFIX and AAA is to run an AAA 
    client on the IPFIX collector. This client can generate DIAMETER 
    accounting messages and send them to an AAA server. The mapping 
    of the flow information to a user ID can be done in the AAA 
    server by using data from the authentication process. DIAMETER 
    accounting messages can be sent to the accounting application or 
    to other AAA servers (e.g. in roaming scenarios). 
  
           +---------+  DIAMETER    +---------+ 
           |  AAA-S  |------------->|  AAA-S  | 
           +---------+              +---------+ 
                ^ 
                | DIAMETER 
                | 
                | 
         +--+--------+--+ 
         |  |  AAA-C |  | 
         +  +--------+  | 
         |              | 
         |  Collector   | 
         +--------------+   
                ^ 
                | IPFIX 
                | 
          +------------+ 
          |  Exporter  | 
          +------------+    
     
    Figure 2: IPFIX collector connects to AAA server via AAA client  
     
 3.4.2 Connecting via an Application Specific Module (ASM) 
     
    Another possibility is to directly connect the IPFIX collector 
    with the AAA server via an application specific module (ASM). 
    Application specific modules have been proposed by the IRTF AAA 
    architecture research group (AAARCH) in [RFC2903]. They act as 
    an interface between AAA server and service equipment. In this 
    case the IPFIX collector is part of the ASM. The ASM acts as an 
    interface between the IPFIX protocol and the input interface of 
    the AAA server. The ASM translates the received IPFIX data into 
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    can add information about the user ID and generate a DIAMETER 
    accounting record. This accounting record can be sent to an 
    accounting application or to other AAA servers. 
     
           +---------+  DIAMETER    +---------+ 
           |  AAA-S  |------------->|  AAA-S  | 
           +---------+              +---------+ 
                ^ 
                | 
        +------------------+ 
        |     ASM          | 
        |  +------------+  | 
        |  |  Collector |  | 
        +------------------+ 
                ^ 
                | IPFIX 
                | 
          +------------+ 
          |  Exporter  | 
          +------------+ 
     
    Figure 3: IPFIX connects to AAA server via ASM 
  
  3.5 IPFIX and RTFM  
   
    The Real-time Traffic Flow Measurement (RTFM) working group 
    defined an architecture for flow measurement [RFC2722]. This 
    section compares the Real-time Traffic Flow Measurement (RTFM) 
    framework with the IPFIX framework.  
          
 3.5.1   Architecture 
  
    The RTFM architecture is very similar to the IPFIX architecture. 
    It defines meter, meter reader and a manager as building blocks 
    of the measurement architecture. The manager configures the 
    meter and the meter reader collects data from the meter.  
    In RTFM the building blocks communicate via SNMP.  
    The IPFIX architecture [IPFIX-ARCH] defines metering, exporting 
    and collecting processes. IPFIX speaks about processes instead 
    of devices to clarify that multiple of those processes may be 
    collocated on the same machine. 
    Both definitions do not contradict each other. One could see the 
    metering process as part of the meter and the collecting process 
    as part of the meter reader.   
    One difference is that IPFIX currently does not define a 
    managing process, because remote configuration was at least 
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 3.5.2    Flow Definition 

    RTFM and IPFIX both consider flows as a group of packets which 
    share a common set of properties. A flow is completely specified 
    by that set of values, together with a termination criterion 
    (like inactivity timeout). 
     
    A difference is that RTFM defines flows as bidirectional. An 
    RTFM meter matches packets from B to A and A to B as separate 
    parts of a single flow, and maintains two sets of packet and 
    byte counters, one for each direction.  
  
    IPFIX does not explicitly state whether flows are uni- or 
    bidirectional. Nevertheless information elements for describing 
    flow properties were defined only for one direction in [IPFIX-
    INFO]. Nevertheless, there are several solutions for reporting 
    bi-directional flow information (see section 4.5). 
  
 3.5.3   Configuration and Management  
     
    In RTFM, remote configuration is the only way to configure a 
    meter. This is done by using SNMP and a specific Meter MIB [RFC 
    2720]. The IPFIX group currently does not address IPFIX remote 
    configuration. 
     
    IPFIX metering processes export the layout of data within their 
    templates, from time to time. IPFIX collecting processes use 
    that template information to determine how they should interpret 
    the IPFIX flow data they receive. 
     
 3.5.4   Data Collection 
     
    One major difference between IPFIX and RTFM is the data 
    collection model. RTFM retrieves data in pull mode whereas IPFIX 
    uses a push mode model to send data to collecting processes.  
     
    An RTFM meter reader pulls data from a meter by using SNMP. SNMP 
    security on the meter determines whether a reader is allowed to 
    pull data from it. An IPFIX exporting process is configured to 
    export records to a specified list of IPFIX collecting 
    processes. The condition when to send IPFIX records (e.g. flow 
    termination) has to be configured in the exporting or metering 
    process. 
  
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    RTFM defines all its attributes in the RTFM Meter MIB [RFC 
    2720]. IPFIX information elements are defined in [IPFIX-INFO]. 
     
    RTFM uses continuously-incrementing 64-bit counters for the 
    storage of the number of packets of a flow. The counters are 
    never reset and just wrap back to zero if the maximum value is 
    exceeded. Flows can be read at any time. The difference between 
    counter readings gives the counts for activity in the interval 
    between readings. 
    IPFIX allows absolute (totalCounter) and relative counters 
    (deltaCounter) [IPFIX-INFO]. The totalCounter is never reset and 
    just wraps to zero if values are too large, exactly as the 
    counters used in RTFM. The deltaCounter is reset to zero when 
    the associated flow record is exported. 
  
 3.5.6   Transport Protocol  
          
    RTFM has a standards-track Meter MIB [RFC 2720], which is used 
    both to configure a meter and to store metering results.  The 
    MIB provides a way to read lists of attributes with a single 
    Object Identifier (called a 'package'), which reduces the SNMP 
    overhead for flow data collection. SNMP, of course, normally 
    uses UDP as its transport protocol. Since RTFM requires a 
    reliable flow data transport system, an RTFM meter reader must 
    time out and resend unanswered SNMP requests. Apart from being 
    clumsy, this can limit the maximum data transfer rate from meter 
    to meter reader. 
     
    IPFIX is designed to work over a variety of different transport 
    protocols.  SCTP [RFC2960] and SCTP-PR [RFC3758] are mandatory.  
    UDP and TCP are optional.  In addition, the IPFIX protocol 
    encodes data much more efficiently than SNMP does, hence IPFIX 
    has lower data transport overheads than RTFM. 
  
 3.5.7   Summary 
     
    IPFIX exports flow information in push model by using SCTP, TCP 
    or UDP. It currently does not address remote configuration. RTFM 
    data collection is using the pull model and runs over SNMP. RTFM 
    addresses remote configuration which also runs over SNMP. Both 
    frameworks allow a very flexible flow definition, although RTFM 
    is based on a bi-directional flow definition. 
     
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    The goal of this section is to show the limitations of IPFIX and 
    to give advice where not to use IPFIX or in which cases 
    additional considerations are required.  
     
  4.1 Using IPFIX for other Applications than in RFC3917 
     
    IPFIX provides a generic export mechanism. Due to its template 
    based structure, it is a quite flexible protocol. Network 
    operators and users may want to use it also for other 
    applications than those described in [RFC 3917]. 
     
    Apart from sending raw flow information it can be used to send 
    aggregated or post-processed data. For this new templates and 
    information elements can be defined if needed. Due to its push 
    mode operation IPFIX is also suited to send network initiated 
    events like alarms and other notifications. It can be used for 
    exchanging information among network nodes to autonomously 
    improve network operation.   
  
    Nevertheless, the IPFIX design is based on the requirements that 
    originate only from the target applications stated in [RFC 
    3917]. Using IPFIX for other purposes requires a careful 
    checking of IPFIX capabilities against application requirements. 
    Only with this, can one decide whether IPFIX is a suitable 
    protocol to meet the needs of a specific application. 
     
  4.2 Using a Different Transport Protocol than SCTP 
     
    SCTP is the preferred protocol for IPFIX, i.e. a conforming 
    implementation must work over SCTP. Although IPFIX can also work 
    over TCP or UDP, both protocols have drawbacks [IPFIX-PROTO]. 
    Users should make sure they have good reasons befor using 
    protocols other than SCTP in a specific environment. 
     
  4.3 Push vs. Pull Mode 
     
    IPFIX works in push mode. That means IPFIX records are 
    automatically exported without waiting for a request.  
    The responsibility for initiating a data export lies with the 
    exporting process.  
     
    Criteria for exporting data need to be configured at the 
    exporting process. Therefore push mode has more benefits if the 
    trigger for data export is related to events at the exporting 
    process (e.g. flow termination, memory shortage due to large 
    amount of flows, etc.). If the protocol used pull mode, the 
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    data. With push mode it can send data immediately e.g. before 
    memory shortage would require a discarding of data. 
     
    With push mode one can prevent the overloading of resources at 
    the exporting process by simply exporting the information as 
    soon as certain thresholds are about to exceed. Therefore 
    exporting criteria are often related to traffic characteristics 
    (e.g. flow timeout) or resource limitations (e.g. size of flow 
    cache). But traffic characteristics are usually quite dynamic 
    and often impossible to predict. If those are used to trigger 
    flow export, the exporting rate and the resource consumption for 
    flow export becomes variable and unpredictable.  
     
    Pull mode has advantages if the trigger for data export is 
    related to events at the collecting process (e.g. a specific 
    application requests immediate input).  
     
    In a pull mode, a request could simply be forwarded to the 
    exporting process. In a push mode, the exporting configuration 
    must be changed to trigger the export of the requested data. 
    Furthermore, with pull mode one can prevent the overloading of 
    the collecting process by the arrival of more records than it 
    can process. 
     
    Whether this is a relevant drawback depends on the flexibility 
    of the IPFIX configuration and how IPFIX configuration rules are 
    implemented.   
     
  
  4.4 Template ID number 
     
    The IPFIX specification limits the different template ID numbers 
    that can be assigned to the newly generated template records in 
    an observation domain. In particular, template IDs up to 255 are 
    reserved for Template or option sets (or other sets to be 
    created) and template IDs from 256 to 65535 are assigned to data 
    sets. In the case of many exports requiring many different 
    templates, the set of Template IDs could be exhausted.   
  
  4.5 Exporting Bidirectional Flow Information 
     
    Although IPFIX does not explicitly state that flows are 
    unidirectional, information elements that describe flow 
    characteristics are defined only for one direction in [IPFIX-
    INFO]. [IPFIX-PROTO] allows the reporting of multiple identical 
    information elements in one flow record. With this information 
    elements for forward and reverse direction can be reported in 
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    But this is not sufficient. Using this feature for reporting 
    bidirectional flow information would require an agreement on the 
    semantic of information elements (e.g. first counter is counter 
    for the forward direction, second counter for reverse 
    direction).  
     
    Another option is to use two adjacent flow records to report 
    both directions of a bidirectional flow separately. This 
    approach requires additional means for mapping those records and 
    is quite inefficient due to the redundant reporting of flow 
    keys. 
     
  4.6 IPFIX and IPv6 
     
    There are two issues to consider:  
     
    - Generation and reporting of IPFIX records about IPv6 traffic 
    - Exporting IPFIX records over IPv6 
     
    The generation and reporting of IPFIX records about IPv6 traffic 
    is possible as appropriate information elements exist in [IPFIX-
    INFO].  
    Exporting IPFIX records over IPv6 is not explicitly addressed in 
    [IPFIX-PROTO]. Since IPFIX runs over SCTP, SCTP-PR, UDP or TCP, 
    it is trivial to run IPFIX over IPv6 networks, provided that the 
    transport protocol being used to carry IPFIX is running on the 
    IPv6 network. 
  
 5. Security Considerations 
     
    This document describes the usage of IPFIX in various scenarios. 
    Security requirements for IPFIX target applications and security 
    considerations for IPFIX are addressed in [RFC3917] and [IPFIX-
    PROTO]. Those requirements have to be met for the usage of 
    IPFIX. To our current knowledge, the usage scenarios proposed in 
    section 2 do not induce further security hazards. 
     
    Section 3 of this document describes how IPFIX can be used in 
    combination with other frameworks. New security hazards can 
    arise when two individually secure frameworks are combined. For 
    the combination of AAA with IPFIX an application specific module  
    (ASM) or an IPFIX collector can function as transit point for 
    the messages. It has to be ensured that at this point the 
    applied security mechanisms (e.g. encryption of messages) are 
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 6. Normative References  
     
    [IPFIX-INFO] J. Quittek, S. Bryant, J. Meyer, "Information Model 
                  for IP Flow Information Export", Internet Draft 
                  <draft-ietf-ipfix-info-07>, work in progress, May 
                  2005 
     
    [IPFIX-PROTO] B. Claise (Editor), "IPFIX Protocol Specification", 
                  Internet Draft <draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-21.txt>, 
                  work in progress, April 2006  
     
    [PSAMP-INFO] T. Dietz, F. Dressler, G. Carle, B. Claise, 
                  "Information Model for Packet Sampling Exports", 
                  Internet Draft <draft-ietf-psamp-info-04.txt>, work 
                  in progress, March 2006 
     
    [RFC3917]    J. Quittek, T. Zseby, B. Claise, S. Zander, 
                  "Requirements for IP Flow Information Export", RFC 
                  3917, October 2004 
     
 7. Informative References  
     
    [Brow00]     Nevil Brownlee, "Packet Matching for NeTraMet 
                  Distributions", 
                  http://www2.auckland.ac.nz/net//Internet/rtfm/meeti
                  ngs/47-adelaide/pp-dist/ 
     
    [DuGr00]     Nick Duffield, Matthias Grossglauser, "Trajectory 
                  Sampling for Direct Traffic Observation", 
                  Proceedings of ACM SIGCOMM 2000, Stockholm, Sweden, 
                  August 28 - September 1, 2000 
     
    [GrDM98]     Ian D. Graham, Stephen F. Donnelly, Stele Martin, 
                  Jed Martens, John G. Cleary, "Nonintrusive and 
                  Accurate Measurement of Unidirectional Delay and 
                  Delay Variation on the Internet", INET'98, Geneva, 
                  Switzerland, 21-24 July, 1998 
     
    [IPFIX-ARCH] G. Sadasivan, N. Brownlee, B. Claise, J. Quittek,    
                  "Architecture for IP Flow Information Export", 
                  Internet Draft <draft-ietf-ipfix-architecture-
                  08.txt>, work in progress, March 2005 
     
    [PSAMP-PROTO] Benoit Claise (Ed.), Packet Sampling (PSAMP) 
                  Protocol Specifications, Internet Draft <draft-
                  ietf-psamp-protocol-04.txt>, work in progress, 
                  March 2006 
     




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    [PSAMP-TECH]  T. Zseby, M. Molina, N. Duffield, S. Niccolini, F. 
                  Raspall, "Sampling and Filtering Techniques for IP 
                  Packet Selection" Internet Draft <draft-ietf-psamp-
                  sample-tech-07.txt>, work in progress, July 2005 
     
    [RFC2598]    V. Jacobson, K. Nichols, K. Poduri, "An Expedited 
                  Forwarding PHB", RFC 2598, June 1999 
     
    [RFC2679]    G. Almes, S. Kalidindi, M. Zekauskas, "A One-way 
                  Delay Metric for IPPM", RFC 2679, September 1999   
     
    [RFC2680]    G. Almes, S. Kalidindi, M. Zekauskas, "A One-way 
                  Packet Loss Metric for IPPM",RFC 2680, September 
                  1999 
     
    [RFC2681]    G. Almes, S. Kalidindi, M. Zekauskas, "A Round-trip 
                  Delay Metric for IPPM", RFC 2681, September 1999 
     
    [RFC2702]    D. Awduche, J. Malcolm, J. Agogbua, M. O'Dell, J.        
                  McManus, "Requirements for Traffic Engineering Over 
                  MPLS", RFC 2702, September 1999 
     
    [RFC2722]    Brownlee, N., Mills, C., G. Ruth, "Traffic Flow 
                  Measurement: Architecture", RFC 2722, October 1999 
     
    [RFC2903]    C. de Laat, G. Gross, L. Gommans, J. Vollbrecht, D. 
                  Spence, "Generic AAA Architecture", RFC 2903, 
                  August 2000 
     
    [RFC2960]    R. Stewart (ed.) "Stream Control Transmission 
                  Protocol", RFC 2960, October 2000 
     
    [RFC2975]    B. Aboba, J. Arkko, D. Harrington, "Introduction to 
                  Accounting Management", RFC 2975, October 2000 
     
    [RFC3330]    IANA, "Special-Use IPv4 Addresses", RFC 3330                     
                  September 2002 
     
    [RFC3334]    T. Zseby, S. Zander, G. Carle, "Policy-Based 
                  Accounting", RFC 3334, October 2002                              
     
    [RFC3393]    C. Demichelis, P. Cimento, "IP Packet Delay 
                  Variation Metric for IPPM", RFC 3393, November 2002 
     
    [RFC3577]    S. Waldbusser, R. Cole, C. Kalbfleisch, 
                  D.Romascanu, "Introduction to the Remote Monitoring 
                  (RMON) Family of MIB Module", RFC 3577, August 2003 
     




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    [RFC3588]    P. Calhoun, J. Loughney, E. Guttman, G. Zorn, J. 
                  Arkko, "Diameter Base Protocol", RFC 3588, 
                  September 2003 
     
    [RFC3729]    S. Waldbusser, "Application Performance Measurement 
                  MIB", RFC 3729, March 2004 
     
    [RFC3758]    R. Stewart, M. Ramalho, Q. Xie, M. Tuexen, P. 
                  Conrad, "Stream Control Transmission Protocol 
                  (SCTP) Partial Reliability Extension", RFC 3758, 
                  May 2004  
     
    [RFC4149]    C. Kalbfleisch, R. Cole, D. Romascanu, "Definition 
                  of Managed Objects for Synthetic Sources for 
                  Performance Monitoring Algorithms", RFC 4149, 
                  August 2005 
     
    [RFC4150]    R. Dietz, R. Cole, "Transport Performance Metrics 
                  MIB", RFC 4150, August 2005 
     
    [ZsZC01]     T. Zseby, S. Zander, G. Carle, "Evaluation of 
                  Building Blocks for Passive One-way-delay 
                  Measurements", Proceedings of Passive and Active 
                  Measurement Workshop (PAM 2001), Amsterdam, The 
                  Netherlands, April 23-24, 2001 
     
 8. Acknowledgements 
     
    We would like to thank the following persons for their 
    contribution, discussion on the mailing list and valuable 
    comments: 
     
    Sebastian Zander 
    Robert Loewe 
    Reinaldo Penno 
    Lutz Mark 
    Andy Biermann 
     
    Part of the work has been developed in the research project 6QM 
    co-funded with support from the European Commission.   
     
 9. Authors' Addresses 
     
    Tanja Zseby 
    Fraunhofer Institute for Open Communication Systems (FOKUS) 
    Kaiserin-Augusta-Allee 31   
    10589 Berlin, Germany   
    Phone: +49 30 3463 7153   




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    Email: zseby@fokus.fhg.de 
     
    Elisa Boschi 
    Hitachi Europe SAS  
    Immeuble Le Theleme  
    1503 Route des Dolines  
    06560 Valbonne, France  
    Phone: +33 4 89874180     
    Email: elisa.boschi@hitachi-eu.com  
     
    Nevil Brownlee 
    CAIDA (UCSD/SDSC) 
    9500 Gilman Drive 
    La Jolla, CA 92093-0505 
    Phone : +1 858 534 8338 
    Email : nevil@caida.org 
     
    Benoit Claise 
    Cisco Systems 
    De Kleetlaan 6a b1 
    1831 Diegem 
    Belgium 
    Phone: +32 2 704 5622 
    Email: bclaise@cisco.com 
     
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Done. References: <804B13F8F3D94A4AB18B9B01ACB68FA1137A02@EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de> In-Reply-To: <804B13F8F3D94A4AB18B9B01ACB68FA1137A02@EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010708070903070805030801" Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 96eb4ba28fbb58504ad11d848dd78c6d This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010708070903070805030801 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tanja, > > Benoit, I guess the example address in the protocol draft also need to > be changed for conformance with RFC3330. > Thanks. Done. The IP addresses in the example section now contains 192.0.2.0/24, as explained in RFC 3330 Regards, Benoit. > Regards, > Tanja > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > Internet Draft Tanja Zseby > Document: Fraunhofer FOKUS > Expires: October 2006 Elisa Boschi > Hitachi > Nevil Brownlee > CAIDA > Benoit Claise > Cisco Systems > > May 2006 > > > IPFIX Applicability > draft-ietf-ipfix-as-07.txt > > Status of this Memo > > By submitting this Internet-Draft, each author represents that > any applicable patent or other IPR claims of which he or she is > aware have been or will be disclosed, and any of which he or she > becomes aware will be disclosed, in accordance with Section 6 of > BCP 79. > > Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet > Engineering Task Force (IETF), its areas, and its working > groups. Note that other groups may also distribute working > documents as Internet-Drafts. > Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six > months and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other > documents at any time. It is inappropriate to use Internet- > Drafts as reference material or to cite them other than as "work > in progress." > > The list of current Internet-Drafts can be accessed at > http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-abstracts.txt. > > The list of Internet-Draft Shadow Directories can be accessed at > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html. > > Copyright Notice > > Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2006). > > > > > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 1] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > > Abstract > > This document describes the applicability of the IP Flow > Information Export (IPFIX) protocol for a variety of > applications. It shows how applications can use IPFIX, describes > the relevant information elements (IEs) and shows opportunities > and limitations of the protocol. The document furthermore > describes relations of the IPFIX framework to other > architectures and frameworks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 2] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > Table of Contents > 1. Introduction.............................................4 > 2. Applications of IPFIX....................................4 > 2.1 Accounting...............................................4 > 2.1.1 Example.................................................5 > 2.2 Traffic Profiling........................................7 > 2.3 Traffic Engineering......................................7 > 2.4 Network Security.........................................8 > 2.5 QoS Monitoring..........................................10 > 2.5.1 Correlating Events from Multiple Observation Points....11 > 2.5.2 Examples...............................................11 > 2.6 Inter-Domain Exchange of IPFIX data.....................13 > 2.7 Export of Derived Metrics...............................13 > 2.8 Summary.................................................14 > 3. Relation of IPFIX to Other Frameworks and Protocols.....14 > 3.1 IPFIX and PSAMP.........................................14 > 3.2 IPFIX and RMON..........................................15 > 3.3 IPFIX and IPPM..........................................15 > 3.4 IPFIX and AAA...........................................16 > 3.4.1 Connecting via an AAA Client...........................17 > 3.4.2 Connecting via an Application Specific Module (ASM)....17 > 3.5 IPFIX and RTFM..........................................18 > 3.5.1 Architecture...........................................18 > 3.5.2 Flow Definition........................................19 > 3.5.3 Configuration and Management...........................19 > 3.5.4 Data Collection........................................19 > 3.5.5 Data Model Details.....................................20 > 3.5.6 Transport Protocol.....................................20 > 3.5.7 Summary................................................20 > 4. Limitations.............................................21 > 4.1 Using IPFIX for other Applications than in RFC3917......21 > 4.2 Using a Different Transport Protocol than SCTP..........21 > 4.3 Push vs. Pull Mode......................................21 > 4.4 Template ID number......................................22 > 4.5 Exporting Bidirectional Flow Information................22 > 4.6 IPFIX and IPv6..........................................23 > 5. Security Considerations.................................23 > 6. Normative References....................................24 > 7. Informative References..................................24 > 8. Acknowledgements........................................26 > 9. Authors' Addresses......................................26 > 10. Full Copyright Statement................................27 > 11. Intellectual Property Statement.........................27 > 12. Copyright Statement.....................................28 > 13. Disclaimer..............................................28 > > > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 3] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > 1. Introduction > > The IPFIX protocol defines how IP Flow information can be > exported from routers, measurement probes or other devices. It > is intended to provide this information as input to various > applications. IPFIX is a general data transport protocol, easily > extensible to suit the needs of different applications. This > document describes how typical applications that can use the > IPFIX protocol. It shows opportunities and limitations of the > protocol. Furthermore, the relationship of IPFIX to other > frameworks and architectures is described. > > 2. Applications of IPFIX > > IPFIX data enables several critical applications. The IPFIX > target applications and the requirements that originate from > those applications are described in [RFC3917]. Those > requirements were used as basis for the design of the IPFIX > protocol. This section describes how these target applications > can use the IPFIX protocol. Considerations for using IPFIX for > other applications than described in [RFC3917] can be found in > section 4.1. > > 2.1 Accounting > > Usage based accounting is one of the major applications for > which the IPFIX protocol has been developed. IPFIX records > provide fine-grained measurement results for highly flexible and > detailed resource usage accounting. > In order to realize usage-based accounting with IPFIX the flow > definition has to be chosen in accordance to the tariff model. > Flows can be distinguished by various IEs (e.g. packet header > fields) from [IPFIX-INFO]. Due to the flexible IPFIX flow > definition, arbitrary flow-based accounting models can be > realized without extensions to the IPFIX protocol. > > A tariff can, for instance, be based on individual end-to-end > flows, in which case accounting can be realized with a flow > definition determined by the quintuple consisting of source > address (sourceIPv4Address), destination address > (destinationIPv4Address), protocol (protocolIdentifier) and port > numbers (e.g., udpSourcePort, udpDestinationPort). Another > example is a class-dependent tariff (e.g. in a DiffServ > network). In this case flows could be distinguished just by the > DiffServ codepoint (DSCP) (ipDiffServCodePoint) and IP addresses > (sourceIPv4Address, destinationIPv4Address). The essential > elements needed for accounting are the number of transferred > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 4] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > packets and bytes per flow, which can be represented by the per- > flow counter IEs (e.g., packetTotalCount, octetTotalCount). > > For accounting purposes, it would be advantageous to have the > ability to use IPFIX flow records as accounting input in an AAA > infrastructure. AAA servers then could provide the mapping > between user and flow information. > > Note that the reliability requirements defined in [RFC3917] are > not sufficient to guarantee the level of reliability that is > needed for many usage-based accounting systems. Particular > reliability requirements for accounting systems are discussed in > [RFC2975]. > > 2.1.1 Example > > Please note: [RFC3330] demands the use of the address block > 192.0.2.0/24 for example addresses. In the example below we use > two example networks. In order to be conformant to [RFC3330] we > divide the given address block into two networks by subnetting > with a 25 bit netmask (192.0.2.0/25) as follows: > > Network A: 192.0.2.0 ... 192.0.2.127 > Network B: 192.0.2.128 ... 192.0.2.255 > > Let's suppose someone has a Service Level Agreement (SLA) in a > DiffServ network requiring accounting based on traffic volume. > Flows are distinguished by source and destination address. The > information to export in this case is: > - IPv4 source IP address: sourceIPv4Address in [IPFIX-INFO], > with a length of 4 octets > - IPv4 destination IP address: destinationIPv4Address in > [IPFIX-INFO], with a length of 4 octets > - DSCP: ipDiffServCodePoint in [IPFIX-INFO], with a length of > 1 octet > - Number of octets of the Flow: OctetDeltaCount in [IPFIX- > INFO], with a length of 4 octets > > The template set will look as follows: > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Set ID = 2 | Length = 24 octets | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Template ID 256 | Field Count = 4 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > |0| sourceIPv4Address = 8 | Field Length = 4 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > |0| destinationIPv4Address = 12 | Field Length = 4 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 5] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > |0| ipDiffServCodePoint = 195 | Field Length = 1 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > |0| OctetDeltaCount = 1 | Field Length = 4 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > The information to be exported might be as listed in the > following example table: > > Src. IP addr. | Dst. IP addr. | DSCP | Octets Number > --------------+---------------+--------+-------------- > 192.0.2.12 | 192.0.2.144 | 46 | 120868 > 192.0.2.24 | 192.0.2.156 | 46 | 310364 > 192.0.2.36 | 192.0.2.168 | 46 | 241239 > > In the example we use Diffserv CodePoint 46, recommended for the > Expedited Forwarding Per Hop Behavior (EF PHB) in [RFC2598]. > > The Flow Records will then look as follows: > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Set ID = 256 | Length = 43 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | 192.0.2.12 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | 192.0.2.144 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | 46 | 120868 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | | 192.0.2.24 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | | 192.0.2.156 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | | 46 | 310364 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | | 192.0.2.36 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | | 192.0.2.168 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | | 46 | | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | 241239 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > 2.2 Traffic Profiling > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 6] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > Measurement results reported in IPFIX records can be used for > traffic profiling. IPFIX records captured over a long period of > time can be used to track and anticipate network growth and > usage. Such Information is valuable for trend analysis and > network planning. > > The parameters of interest are determined by the profiling > objectives. Example parameters for traffic profiling are flow > duration, flow volume, burstiness, the distribution of used > services and protocols, the amount of packets of a specific > type, etc. [RFC3917]. > > The distribution of services and protocols in use can be > analyzed by configuring appropriate flows keys for flow > discrimination. Protocols can be distinguished by the > protocolIdentifier IE. Portnumbers (e.g., udpDestinationPort) > often provide information about services in use. Those flow keys > are defined in [IPFIX-INFO]. If portnumbers are not sufficient > for service discrimination, further parts of the packet may be > needed. Header fields can be expressed by IEs from [IPFIX-INFO] > Packet payload can be reported by using the IE > ipPayloadPacketSection in [PSAMP-INFO]. > > The flow duration can be calculated from the flow time stamp IEs > defined in [IPFIX-INFO] (e.g., flowEndMicroseconds - > flowStartMicroseconds). The number of packets and number of > bytes of a flow are represented in the per-flow counter IEs > (e.g., packetTotalCount, octetTotalCount). The burstiness of a > flow can be calculated from the flow volume measured at > different time intervals. > > 2.3 Traffic Engineering > > Traffic engineering aims at the optimization of network resource > utilization and traffic performance [RFC2702]. Typical > parameters are link utilization, load between specific network, > nodes, number, size and entry/exit points of active flows and > routing information [RFC3917]. > Size of flows in packets and bytes can be reported by IEs > packetTotalCount, octetTotalCount. Link utilization can be > reported by using a coarse grained flow definition (e.g. based > on identifier IEs such as egressInterface or ingressInterface) > and per-flow counter IEs (e.g. packetTotalCount, > octetTotalCount) defined in [IPFIX-INFO]. > > The load between specific network nodes can be reported in the > same way if one interface of a network node receives only > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 7] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > traffic from exactly one neighbor node (as usually the case). If > the ingress interface is not sufficient for an unambiguous > identification of the neighbor node, sub-IP header fields IEs > (like sourceMacAddress) can be added as flow keys. > > The IE observedFlowTotalCount provides the number of all flows > exported for the observation domain since the last > initialization of the metering process [IPFIX-INFO]. If this IE > is exported at subsequent points in time, one can derive the > number of active flows in a specific time interval from the > difference of the reported counters. The configured flow > termination criteria have to be taken into account to interpret > that numbers correctly. > > Entry and exit points can be derived from flow records if > metering processes are installed at all edges of the network and > results are mapped in accordance to flow keys. For this and > other analysis methods that require the mapping of records from > different observation points, the same flow keys should be used > at all observation points. The path that packets take through a > network can be investigated by using hash-based sampling > techniques as described in [DuGr00] and [PSAMP-TECH]. For this > IEs from [PSAMP-INFO] are needed. > > Neither [IPFIX-INFO] nor [PSAMP-INFO] defines IEs suitable for > exporting routing information. > > 2.4 Network Security > > Attack and intrusion detection are among the IPFIX target > applications described in [RFC3917]. Due to the enormous amount > of different network attack types, only general requirements > could be addressed in [RFC3917]. > > IPFIX can export flow information for arbitrary flow definitions > as defined in [IPFIX-PROTO]. Packet information can be exported > with IPFIX by using the additional information elements > described in [PSAMP-INFO]. With this theoretically all > information about traffic in the network at IP layer and above > is accessible. This data can be used either directly to detect > anomalies or can provide the basis for further post processing > to generate more complex attack detection metrics. > > Depending on the attack type different metrics are useful. A > sudden increase of traffic load can be a hint that an attack has > been launched. The overall traffic at an observation point can > be monitored using per-flow counter IEs like packetTotalCount, > octetTotalCount as described in 2.3. The number of active flows > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 8] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > can be monitored by regular reporting of the > observedFlowTotalCount. > > A sudden increase of flows from different sources to one > destination may be caused by an attack on a specific host or > network node using spoofed addresses. Many flows to the same > machine but on different ports or many flows to the same port > and different machines may be an indicator for vertical or > horizontal port scanning activities. An unusual ratio of TCP-SYN > to TCP-FIN packets can refer to SYN-flooding. Worms may leave > signatures in traffic patterns. > > The amount of metrics useful for attack detection is as diverse > as attack patterns themselves. Attackers adapt rapidly to > circumvent detection methods and try to hide attack patterns > using slow or stealth attacks. Furthermore, unusual traffic > patterns are not always caused by malicious activities. A sudden > traffic increase may be caused by legitimate users who seek > access to a recently published content. Strange traffic patterns > may also be caused by mis-configuration. > > The difficult task is the separation of good from bad packets to > prepare and launch counteraction. This may require a deeper look > into packet content by using further header field IEs from > [IPFIX-INFO] and/or packet payload from IE > ipPayloadPacketSection in [PSAMP-INFO]. Multi-step analysis > techniques may be useful, e.g., to launch an in-depth analysis > (e.g. based on packet information) in case the flow information > shows suspicious patterns. In order to supervise traffic to a > specific host or network node one has to apply filtering methods > as those described in [PSAMP-TECH]. > > Mapping the two directions of a communication is often useful > for checking correct protocol behavior (see section 4.5). A > correlation of IPFIX data from multiple observation points (see > section 2.5.1) allows assessing the propagation of an attack and > can help to locate its source. > > The integration of previous measurement results helps to review > traffic changes over time for detection of traffic anomalies and > provides the basis for forensic analysis. A standardized storage > format for IPIFX data would support the offline analysis of data > from different operators. > > Nevertheless, capturing full packet traces at all observation > points in the network is not viable due to resource limitations > and privacy concerns. Therefore metrics should be chosen wisely > to allow a solid detection with minimal resource consumption. > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 9] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > Resources can be saved for instance by using coarser grained > flow definitions, reporting pre-processed metrics (e.g. with > additional information elements) or deployment of sampling > methods. > > Detecting security incidents in real-time often requires the > pre-processing of data already at the measurement device. > Immediate data export in case of a potential incident is > desired. IPIFX supports such source-triggered exporting of > information due to the push model approach. Nevertheless, > further exporting criteria have to be implemented to export > IPFIX records upon incident detection events and not only upon > flow end or fixed time intervals. > > Security incidents can become a threat to IPFIX processes > themselves (see also security considerations in [IPFIX-PROTO]). > If an attack generates a large amount of flows (e.g. by sending > packets with spoofed addresses or simulating flow termination) > exporting and collecting process may get overloaded by the > immense amount of records that are exported. A flexible > deployment of packet or flow sampling methods can prevent the > exhaustion of resources. > > Intrusion detection would profit from the combination of IPFIX > functions with AAA functions (see section 3.4). Such an > interoperation enables further means for attacker detection, > advanced defense strategies and secure inter-domain cooperation. > > 2.5 QoS Monitoring > > QoS monitoring is one target application of the IPFIX protocol > [RFC3917]. QoS monitoring is the passive observation of the > transmission quality for single flows or traffic aggregates in > the network. One example of its use is the validation of QoS > guarantees in service level agreements (SLAs). Typical QoS > parameters are loss [RFC2680], one-way [RFC2679] and round-trip > delay [RFC2681] and delay variation [RFC3393]. The calculation > of those QoS metrics requires per-packet processing. Reporting > packet information with IPFIX is possible by simply considering > a single packet as flow. [IPFIX-PROTO] also allows the reporting > of multiple identical information elements in one flow record. > Using this feature for reporting information about multiple > packets in one record would require additional agreement on > semantics regarding the order of information elements (e.g. > which timestamp belongs to which packet payload in a sequence of > information elements). [PSAMP-INFO] defines useful additional > information elements for exporting per packet information with > IPFIX. > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 10] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > > 2.5.1 Correlating Events from Multiple Observation Points > > Some QoS metrics require the correlation of data from multiple > observation points. For this the clocks of the involved metering > processes must be synchronized. Furthermore, it is necessary to > recognize that the same packet was observed at different > observation point. > This can be done by capturing parts of the packet content > (packet header and/or parts of the payload) that do not change > on the way to the destination. Based on the packet content it > can be recognized when the same packet arrived at another > observation point. To reduce the amount of measurement data a > unique packet ID can be calculated from the packet content e.g. > by using a CRC or hash function instead of transferring and > comparing the unprocessed content. Considerations on collision > probability and efficiency of using such packet IDs are > described in [GrDM98, DuGr00, ZsZC01]. > > IPFIX allows the reporting of several IP and transport header > fields (see section 5.3 and 5.4 in [IPFIX-INFO]). Using only > those fields for packet recognition or ID generation can be > sufficient in scenarios where those header fields vary a lot > among subsequent packets, where a certain amount of packet ID > collisions is tolerable or where packet IDs need to be unique > only for a small time interval. > > For including packet payload information the information element > ipPayloadPacketSection defined in [PSAMP-INFO] can be used. The > information element ipHeaderPacketSection can also be used. But > header fields that can change on the way from source to > destination have to be excluded from the packet ID generation, > because they may differ at different observation points. > > For reporting packet IDs generated by a CRC or hash function the > information element digestHashValue defined in [PSAMP-INFO] can > be used. > > 2.5.2 Examples > > The following examples show which information elements need to > be reported by IPFIX to generate specific QoS metrics. As an > alternative the metrics can be generated directly at the > exporter and IPIFX can be used to export the metrics (see > section 2.7) > > 2.5.2.1 RTT measurements with packet pair matching (single-point) > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 11] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > The passive measurement of round-trip-times (RTT) can be > performed by using packet pair matching techniques as described > in [Brow00]. For the measurements, request/response packet pairs > from protocols such as DNS, ICMP, SNMP or TCP (SYN/SYN_ACK, > DATA/ACK) are utilized to passively observe the RTT [Brow00]. > This technique requires the correlation of data from both > directions. > > Required information elements per packet (DNS example): > - Packet arrival time: observationTimeMicroseconds [PSAMP-INFO] > - DNS header: ipPayloadPacketSection [PSAMP-INFO] > > Required functions: > - Recognition of request/response packet pairs > > Remarks: > - Requires information elements from [PSAMP-INFO] > - observationTimeMicroseconds can be substituted by > flowStartMicroseconds [IPFIX-INFO], because a single packet > can be represented as a flow. > - If time values with a higher granularity are needed > observationTimeNanoseconds can be used. > > 2.5.2.2 One-way Delay Measurements (multi-point) > > Passive one-way-delay measurements require the collection of > data at two observation points. The recognition of packets at > the second observation point can be based on parts of the packet > content directly. A more efficient way is to use a packet ID > (generated from packet content). > > Required information elements per packet (with packet ID): > - Packet arrival time: observationTimeMicroseconds [PSAMP-INFO] > - Packet ID: digestHashValue [PSAMP-INFO] > > Required functions: > - packet ID generation > - delay calculation (from arrival times at the two observation > points) > > Remarks: > - Requires information elements from [PSAMP-INFO] > - observationTimeMicroseconds can be substituted by > flowStartMicroseconds [IPFIX-INFO], because a single packet > can be represented as a flow. > - If time values with a higher granularity are needed > observationTimeNanoseconds can be used. > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 12] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > - The amount of content used for ID generation influences the > number of collisions (different packets that map to the same > ID) that can occur. Investigations on this and other > considerations on packet ID generation can be found in > [GrDM98], [DuGr00], and [ZsZC01]. > > 2.6 Inter-Domain Exchange of IPFIX data > > IPFIX data can be used to share information with neighbor > providers. A few recommendations should to be considered if > IPFIX records travel over the public Internet compared to its > usage within a single domain. First of all, security threats are > higher if data travels over the public Internet. Protection > against disclosure or manipulation of data is even more > important than for intra-domain usage. Therefore IPsec or > Transport Layer Security (TLS) should be used as described in > [IPFIX-PROTO]. > > Furthermore data transfer should be congestion-aware in order to > allow untroubled co-existence with other data flows. That means > transport over SCTP or TCP is required. > > Some ISPs are still reluctant to share information due to > concerns that competing ISPs might exploit network information > from neighbor providers to strengthen their own position in the > market. Nevertheless, technical needs have already triggered the > exchange of data in the past (e.g. exchange of routing > information by BGP). The need to provide inter-domain guarantees > is one big incentive to increase inter-domain cooperation. The > necessity to defend networks against current and future threats > (denial of service attacks, worm distributions, etc.) will > hopefully increase the willingness to exchange measurement data > between providers. > > 2.7 Export of Derived Metrics > > > The IPFIX protocol is used to transport flow and packet > information to provide the input for the calculation of a > variety metrics (e.g. for QoS validation or attack detection). > IPFIX can also be used to transfer these metrics directly, e.g. > if the metric calculation is co-located with measurement and > exporting process. > > It doesn't matter which measurement and post-processing > functions are applied to generate a specific metric. IPFIX can > be used to transport the results from passive and active > measurements and from post-processing operations. For the > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 13] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > reporting of derived metrics additional information elements > need to be defined. > > 2.8 Summary > > The following table shows an overview of the information > elements required for the target applications described in > [RFC3917] (M-mandatory, R-recommended, O-optional). > > | Application |[IPFIX-INFO]| [PSAMP-INFO] | additional IEs | > +-------------+------------+--------------+-----------------+ > | Accounting | M | - | - | > +-------------+------------+--------------+-----------------+ > | Traffic | M | O | - | > | Profiling | | | | > +-------------+------------+--------------+-----------------+ > | Traffic | M | - | O | > | Engineering | | | (routing info) | > +-------------+------------+--------------+-----------------+ > | Attack | M | R | R | > | Detection | | |(derived metrics)| > +-------------+------------+--------------+-----------------+ > | QoS | M | M | O | > | Monitoring | |(most metrics)|(derived metrics)| > +-------------+------------+--------------+-----------------+ > > For accounting the IEs in [IPFIX-INFO] are sufficient. For > traffic profiling additionally IEs from [PSAMP-INFO] can be > useful to gain more insight into the traffic. For traffic > engineering flow information from [IPFIX-INFO] is sufficient but > it would profit from routing information, which could be > exported by IPFIX. Attack detection usually profits from further > insight into the traffic. This can be achieved with IEs from > [PSAMP-INFO]. Furthermore the reporting of derived metrics in > additional IEs would be useful. Most QoS metrics require the use > of IEs from [PSAMP-INFO]. IEs from [PSAMP-INFO]are also useful > for the mapping of results from different observation points as > described in section 2.5.1. > > 3. Relation of IPFIX to Other Frameworks and Protocols > > 3.1 IPFIX and PSAMP > > PSAMP defines packet selection methods, their configuration at > routers and probes and the reporting of packet information. > > PSAMP uses IPIFX as basis for exporting packet information > [PSAMP-PROTO]. [PSAMP-INFO] describes further information > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 14] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > elements for exporting packet information and reporting > configuration information. > > The main difference between IPFIX and PSAMP is that IPFIX > addresses the export of flow records whereas PSAMP addresses the > export of packet records. Furthermore, PSAMP explicitly > addresses remote configuration. It defines a MIB for the > configuration of packet selection processes. Remote > configuration is not (yet) addressed in IPFIX, but one could > consider extending the PSAMP MIB to also allow configuration of > IPFIX processes. > > 3.2 IPFIX and RMON > > RMON [RFC3577] is a widely used monitoring system that gathers > traffic data from RMON Agents in network devices in a general > way using SNMP. The RMON MIB is divided into sections, each > section providing different monitoring functions. For example, > the 'Hosts' section gathers statistics for hosts which are > active on the network being monitored. > > RMON has three MIBs that deal with flow information: > > - The Application Performance Measurement MIB (APM-MIB) > [RFC3729] has a complex system for tracking user application > performance, with flow reporting and SLA threshold > notification-trigger configuration, and persistence across > DHCP lease expirations. It requires full RMON2-MIB > protocolDirTable implementation. > > - The Transport Performance Metrics MIB (TPM-MIB) [RFC4150] > breaks out the APM-MIB user flow data into statistics based on > the IPPM metrics. It requires APM-MIB and RMON2-MIB. > > - The Synthetic Sources for Performance Monitoring Algorithms > MIB (SSPM-MIB) [RFC4149] is used to configure and run packet > and flow generators for performance testing purposes. It > requires RMON2-MIB. > > 3.3 IPFIX and IPPM > > The IPFIX protocol can be used to carry IPPM network performance > metrics or information that can be used to calculate those > metrics (see sections 2.5 and 2.7). > > 3.4 IPFIX and AAA > > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 15] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > AAA defines a protocol and architecture for authentication, > authorization and accounting for service usage [RFC2903]. The > DIAMETER protocol [RFC3588] is used for AAA communication, which > is needed for network access services (Mobile IP, NASREQ, and > ROAMOPS). The AAA architecture [RFC2903] provides a framework > for extending AAA support to other services. DIAMETER defines > the exchange of messages between AAA entities, e.g. between AAA > clients at access devices and AAA servers, and among AAA > servers. DIAMETER is used for the transfer of accounting > records. In order to form accounting records for usage-based > accounting measurement data from the network is required. IPFIX > defines a protocol to export such data from routers, measurement > probes and other devices. Therefore it looks promising to > connect those two architectures. > > As shown in section 2.1 accounting can be realized without an > AAA infrastructure. Accounting applications can directly > incorporate an IPFIX collecting process to receive IPFIX records > with information about the transmitted volume. Nevertheless, if > an AAA infrastructure is in place, the cooperation between IPFIX > and AAA provides many valuable synergistic benefits. IPFIX > records can provide the input for AAA accounting functions and > provide the basis for the generation of DIAMETER accounting > records. Further potential features include the mapping of a > user ID to flow information (by using authentication > information) or facilitating the secure authorized exchange of > DIAMETER accounting records with neighbor domains. The last > feature is especially useful in roaming scenarios where the user > connects to a foreign network and the home provider generates > the invoice. > > Coupling an IPFIX collecting process with AAA functions has also > high potential for intrusion and attack detection. AAA controls > network access and maintains data about users and nodes. AAA > functions can help to identify the source of malicious traffic. > They are able to deny access to suspicious users or nodes. > Therefore coupling those functions with an IPFIX collecting > process can provide an efficient defense against network > attacks. Sharing IPFIX records (either directly or encapsulated > in DIAMETER) with neighbor providers allows an efficient inter- > domain attack detection. The AAA infrastructure can also be used > to configure measurement functions in the network as proposed in > [RFC3334]. > > Two possibilities exist to connect IPFIX and AAA: > > - Connecting via an AAA Client > - Connecting via an Application Specific Module (ASM) > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 16] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > > Both are explained in the following sections. The approaches > only require few additional functions. They do not require any > changes to IPFIX or DIAMETER. > > 3.4.1 Connecting via an AAA Client > > One possibility of connecting IPFIX and AAA is to run an AAA > client on the IPFIX collector. This client can generate DIAMETER > accounting messages and send them to an AAA server. The mapping > of the flow information to a user ID can be done in the AAA > server by using data from the authentication process. DIAMETER > accounting messages can be sent to the accounting application or > to other AAA servers (e.g. in roaming scenarios). > > +---------+ DIAMETER +---------+ > | AAA-S |------------->| AAA-S | > +---------+ +---------+ > ^ > | DIAMETER > | > | > +--+--------+--+ > | | AAA-C | | > + +--------+ | > | | > | Collector | > +--------------+ > ^ > | IPFIX > | > +------------+ > | Exporter | > +------------+ > > Figure 2: IPFIX collector connects to AAA server via AAA client > > 3.4.2 Connecting via an Application Specific Module (ASM) > > Another possibility is to directly connect the IPFIX collector > with the AAA server via an application specific module (ASM). > Application specific modules have been proposed by the IRTF AAA > architecture research group (AAARCH) in [RFC2903]. They act as > an interface between AAA server and service equipment. In this > case the IPFIX collector is part of the ASM. The ASM acts as an > interface between the IPFIX protocol and the input interface of > the AAA server. The ASM translates the received IPFIX data into > an appropriate format for the AAA server. The AAA server then > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 17] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > can add information about the user ID and generate a DIAMETER > accounting record. This accounting record can be sent to an > accounting application or to other AAA servers. > > +---------+ DIAMETER +---------+ > | AAA-S |------------->| AAA-S | > +---------+ +---------+ > ^ > | > +------------------+ > | ASM | > | +------------+ | > | | Collector | | > +------------------+ > ^ > | IPFIX > | > +------------+ > | Exporter | > +------------+ > > Figure 3: IPFIX connects to AAA server via ASM > > 3.5 IPFIX and RTFM > > The Real-time Traffic Flow Measurement (RTFM) working group > defined an architecture for flow measurement [RFC2722]. This > section compares the Real-time Traffic Flow Measurement (RTFM) > framework with the IPFIX framework. > > 3.5.1 Architecture > > The RTFM architecture is very similar to the IPFIX architecture. > It defines meter, meter reader and a manager as building blocks > of the measurement architecture. The manager configures the > meter and the meter reader collects data from the meter. > In RTFM the building blocks communicate via SNMP. > The IPFIX architecture [IPFIX-ARCH] defines metering, exporting > and collecting processes. IPFIX speaks about processes instead > of devices to clarify that multiple of those processes may be > collocated on the same machine. > Both definitions do not contradict each other. One could see the > metering process as part of the meter and the collecting process > as part of the meter reader. > One difference is that IPFIX currently does not define a > managing process, because remote configuration was at least > initially out of scope for the working group. > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 18] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > 3.5.2 Flow Definition > > RTFM and IPFIX both consider flows as a group of packets which > share a common set of properties. A flow is completely specified > by that set of values, together with a termination criterion > (like inactivity timeout). > > A difference is that RTFM defines flows as bidirectional. An > RTFM meter matches packets from B to A and A to B as separate > parts of a single flow, and maintains two sets of packet and > byte counters, one for each direction. > > IPFIX does not explicitly state whether flows are uni- or > bidirectional. Nevertheless information elements for describing > flow properties were defined only for one direction in [IPFIX- > INFO]. Nevertheless, there are several solutions for reporting > bi-directional flow information (see section 4.5). > > 3.5.3 Configuration and Management > > In RTFM, remote configuration is the only way to configure a > meter. This is done by using SNMP and a specific Meter MIB [RFC > 2720]. The IPFIX group currently does not address IPFIX remote > configuration. > > IPFIX metering processes export the layout of data within their > templates, from time to time. IPFIX collecting processes use > that template information to determine how they should interpret > the IPFIX flow data they receive. > > 3.5.4 Data Collection > > One major difference between IPFIX and RTFM is the data > collection model. RTFM retrieves data in pull mode whereas IPFIX > uses a push mode model to send data to collecting processes. > > An RTFM meter reader pulls data from a meter by using SNMP. SNMP > security on the meter determines whether a reader is allowed to > pull data from it. An IPFIX exporting process is configured to > export records to a specified list of IPFIX collecting > processes. The condition when to send IPFIX records (e.g. flow > termination) has to be configured in the exporting or metering > process. > > 3.5.5 Data Model Details > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 19] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > RTFM defines all its attributes in the RTFM Meter MIB [RFC > 2720]. IPFIX information elements are defined in [IPFIX-INFO]. > > RTFM uses continuously-incrementing 64-bit counters for the > storage of the number of packets of a flow. The counters are > never reset and just wrap back to zero if the maximum value is > exceeded. Flows can be read at any time. The difference between > counter readings gives the counts for activity in the interval > between readings. > IPFIX allows absolute (totalCounter) and relative counters > (deltaCounter) [IPFIX-INFO]. The totalCounter is never reset and > just wraps to zero if values are too large, exactly as the > counters used in RTFM. The deltaCounter is reset to zero when > the associated flow record is exported. > > 3.5.6 Transport Protocol > > RTFM has a standards-track Meter MIB [RFC 2720], which is used > both to configure a meter and to store metering results. The > MIB provides a way to read lists of attributes with a single > Object Identifier (called a 'package'), which reduces the SNMP > overhead for flow data collection. SNMP, of course, normally > uses UDP as its transport protocol. Since RTFM requires a > reliable flow data transport system, an RTFM meter reader must > time out and resend unanswered SNMP requests. Apart from being > clumsy, this can limit the maximum data transfer rate from meter > to meter reader. > > IPFIX is designed to work over a variety of different transport > protocols. SCTP [RFC2960] and SCTP-PR [RFC3758] are mandatory. > UDP and TCP are optional. In addition, the IPFIX protocol > encodes data much more efficiently than SNMP does, hence IPFIX > has lower data transport overheads than RTFM. > > 3.5.7 Summary > > IPFIX exports flow information in push model by using SCTP, TCP > or UDP. It currently does not address remote configuration. RTFM > data collection is using the pull model and runs over SNMP. RTFM > addresses remote configuration which also runs over SNMP. Both > frameworks allow a very flexible flow definition, although RTFM > is based on a bi-directional flow definition. > > 4. Limitations > > > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 20] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > The goal of this section is to show the limitations of IPFIX and > to give advice where not to use IPFIX or in which cases > additional considerations are required. > > 4.1 Using IPFIX for other Applications than in RFC3917 > > IPFIX provides a generic export mechanism. Due to its template > based structure, it is a quite flexible protocol. Network > operators and users may want to use it also for other > applications than those described in [RFC 3917]. > > Apart from sending raw flow information it can be used to send > aggregated or post-processed data. For this new templates and > information elements can be defined if needed. Due to its push > mode operation IPFIX is also suited to send network initiated > events like alarms and other notifications. It can be used for > exchanging information among network nodes to autonomously > improve network operation. > > Nevertheless, the IPFIX design is based on the requirements that > originate only from the target applications stated in [RFC > 3917]. Using IPFIX for other purposes requires a careful > checking of IPFIX capabilities against application requirements. > Only with this, can one decide whether IPFIX is a suitable > protocol to meet the needs of a specific application. > > 4.2 Using a Different Transport Protocol than SCTP > > SCTP is the preferred protocol for IPFIX, i.e. a conforming > implementation must work over SCTP. Although IPFIX can also work > over TCP or UDP, both protocols have drawbacks [IPFIX-PROTO]. > Users should make sure they have good reasons befor using > protocols other than SCTP in a specific environment. > > 4.3 Push vs. Pull Mode > > IPFIX works in push mode. That means IPFIX records are > automatically exported without waiting for a request. > The responsibility for initiating a data export lies with the > exporting process. > > Criteria for exporting data need to be configured at the > exporting process. Therefore push mode has more benefits if the > trigger for data export is related to events at the exporting > process (e.g. flow termination, memory shortage due to large > amount of flows, etc.). If the protocol used pull mode, the > exporting process would need to wait for a request to send the > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 21] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > data. With push mode it can send data immediately e.g. before > memory shortage would require a discarding of data. > > With push mode one can prevent the overloading of resources at > the exporting process by simply exporting the information as > soon as certain thresholds are about to exceed. Therefore > exporting criteria are often related to traffic characteristics > (e.g. flow timeout) or resource limitations (e.g. size of flow > cache). But traffic characteristics are usually quite dynamic > and often impossible to predict. If those are used to trigger > flow export, the exporting rate and the resource consumption for > flow export becomes variable and unpredictable. > > Pull mode has advantages if the trigger for data export is > related to events at the collecting process (e.g. a specific > application requests immediate input). > > In a pull mode, a request could simply be forwarded to the > exporting process. In a push mode, the exporting configuration > must be changed to trigger the export of the requested data. > Furthermore, with pull mode one can prevent the overloading of > the collecting process by the arrival of more records than it > can process. > > Whether this is a relevant drawback depends on the flexibility > of the IPFIX configuration and how IPFIX configuration rules are > implemented. > > > 4.4 Template ID number > > The IPFIX specification limits the different template ID numbers > that can be assigned to the newly generated template records in > an observation domain. In particular, template IDs up to 255 are > reserved for Template or option sets (or other sets to be > created) and template IDs from 256 to 65535 are assigned to data > sets. In the case of many exports requiring many different > templates, the set of Template IDs could be exhausted. > > 4.5 Exporting Bidirectional Flow Information > > Although IPFIX does not explicitly state that flows are > unidirectional, information elements that describe flow > characteristics are defined only for one direction in [IPFIX- > INFO]. [IPFIX-PROTO] allows the reporting of multiple identical > information elements in one flow record. With this information > elements for forward and reverse direction can be reported in > one flow record. > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 22] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > > But this is not sufficient. Using this feature for reporting > bidirectional flow information would require an agreement on the > semantic of information elements (e.g. first counter is counter > for the forward direction, second counter for reverse > direction). > > Another option is to use two adjacent flow records to report > both directions of a bidirectional flow separately. This > approach requires additional means for mapping those records and > is quite inefficient due to the redundant reporting of flow > keys. > > 4.6 IPFIX and IPv6 > > There are two issues to consider: > > - Generation and reporting of IPFIX records about IPv6 traffic > - Exporting IPFIX records over IPv6 > > The generation and reporting of IPFIX records about IPv6 traffic > is possible as appropriate information elements exist in [IPFIX- > INFO]. > Exporting IPFIX records over IPv6 is not explicitly addressed in > [IPFIX-PROTO]. Since IPFIX runs over SCTP, SCTP-PR, UDP or TCP, > it is trivial to run IPFIX over IPv6 networks, provided that the > transport protocol being used to carry IPFIX is running on the > IPv6 network. > > 5. Security Considerations > > This document describes the usage of IPFIX in various scenarios. > Security requirements for IPFIX target applications and security > considerations for IPFIX are addressed in [RFC3917] and [IPFIX- > PROTO]. Those requirements have to be met for the usage of > IPFIX. To our current knowledge, the usage scenarios proposed in > section 2 do not induce further security hazards. > > Section 3 of this document describes how IPFIX can be used in > combination with other frameworks. New security hazards can > arise when two individually secure frameworks are combined. For > the combination of AAA with IPFIX an application specific module > (ASM) or an IPFIX collector can function as transit point for > the messages. It has to be ensured that at this point the > applied security mechanisms (e.g. encryption of messages) are > maintained. > > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 23] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > 6. Normative References > > [IPFIX-INFO] J. Quittek, S. Bryant, J. Meyer, "Information Model > for IP Flow Information Export", Internet Draft > , work in progress, May > 2005 > > [IPFIX-PROTO] B. Claise (Editor), "IPFIX Protocol Specification", > Internet Draft , > work in progress, April 2006 > > [PSAMP-INFO] T. Dietz, F. Dressler, G. Carle, B. Claise, > "Information Model for Packet Sampling Exports", > Internet Draft , work > in progress, March 2006 > > [RFC3917] J. Quittek, T. Zseby, B. Claise, S. Zander, > "Requirements for IP Flow Information Export", RFC > 3917, October 2004 > > 7. Informative References > > [Brow00] Nevil Brownlee, "Packet Matching for NeTraMet > Distributions", > http://www2.auckland.ac.nz/net//Internet/rtfm/meeti > ngs/47-adelaide/pp-dist/ > > [DuGr00] Nick Duffield, Matthias Grossglauser, "Trajectory > Sampling for Direct Traffic Observation", > Proceedings of ACM SIGCOMM 2000, Stockholm, Sweden, > August 28 - September 1, 2000 > > [GrDM98] Ian D. Graham, Stephen F. Donnelly, Stele Martin, > Jed Martens, John G. Cleary, "Nonintrusive and > Accurate Measurement of Unidirectional Delay and > Delay Variation on the Internet", INET'98, Geneva, > Switzerland, 21-24 July, 1998 > > [IPFIX-ARCH] G. Sadasivan, N. Brownlee, B. Claise, J. Quittek, > "Architecture for IP Flow Information Export", > Internet Draft 08.txt>, work in progress, March 2005 > > [PSAMP-PROTO] Benoit Claise (Ed.), Packet Sampling (PSAMP) > Protocol Specifications, Internet Draft ietf-psamp-protocol-04.txt>, work in progress, > March 2006 > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 24] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > [PSAMP-TECH] T. Zseby, M. Molina, N. Duffield, S. Niccolini, F. > Raspall, "Sampling and Filtering Techniques for IP > Packet Selection" Internet Draft sample-tech-07.txt>, work in progress, July 2005 > > [RFC2598] V. Jacobson, K. Nichols, K. Poduri, "An Expedited > Forwarding PHB", RFC 2598, June 1999 > > [RFC2679] G. Almes, S. Kalidindi, M. Zekauskas, "A One-way > Delay Metric for IPPM", RFC 2679, September 1999 > > [RFC2680] G. Almes, S. Kalidindi, M. Zekauskas, "A One-way > Packet Loss Metric for IPPM",RFC 2680, September > 1999 > > [RFC2681] G. Almes, S. Kalidindi, M. Zekauskas, "A Round-trip > Delay Metric for IPPM", RFC 2681, September 1999 > > [RFC2702] D. Awduche, J. Malcolm, J. Agogbua, M. O'Dell, J. > McManus, "Requirements for Traffic Engineering Over > MPLS", RFC 2702, September 1999 > > [RFC2722] Brownlee, N., Mills, C., G. Ruth, "Traffic Flow > Measurement: Architecture", RFC 2722, October 1999 > > [RFC2903] C. de Laat, G. Gross, L. Gommans, J. Vollbrecht, D. > Spence, "Generic AAA Architecture", RFC 2903, > August 2000 > > [RFC2960] R. Stewart (ed.) "Stream Control Transmission > Protocol", RFC 2960, October 2000 > > [RFC2975] B. Aboba, J. Arkko, D. Harrington, "Introduction to > Accounting Management", RFC 2975, October 2000 > > [RFC3330] IANA, "Special-Use IPv4 Addresses", RFC 3330 > September 2002 > > [RFC3334] T. Zseby, S. Zander, G. Carle, "Policy-Based > Accounting", RFC 3334, October 2002 > > [RFC3393] C. Demichelis, P. Cimento, "IP Packet Delay > Variation Metric for IPPM", RFC 3393, November 2002 > > [RFC3577] S. Waldbusser, R. Cole, C. Kalbfleisch, > D.Romascanu, "Introduction to the Remote Monitoring > (RMON) Family of MIB Module", RFC 3577, August 2003 > > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 25] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > [RFC3588] P. Calhoun, J. Loughney, E. Guttman, G. Zorn, J. > Arkko, "Diameter Base Protocol", RFC 3588, > September 2003 > > [RFC3729] S. Waldbusser, "Application Performance Measurement > MIB", RFC 3729, March 2004 > > [RFC3758] R. Stewart, M. Ramalho, Q. Xie, M. Tuexen, P. > Conrad, "Stream Control Transmission Protocol > (SCTP) Partial Reliability Extension", RFC 3758, > May 2004 > > [RFC4149] C. Kalbfleisch, R. Cole, D. Romascanu, "Definition > of Managed Objects for Synthetic Sources for > Performance Monitoring Algorithms", RFC 4149, > August 2005 > > [RFC4150] R. Dietz, R. Cole, "Transport Performance Metrics > MIB", RFC 4150, August 2005 > > [ZsZC01] T. Zseby, S. Zander, G. Carle, "Evaluation of > Building Blocks for Passive One-way-delay > Measurements", Proceedings of Passive and Active > Measurement Workshop (PAM 2001), Amsterdam, The > Netherlands, April 23-24, 2001 > > 8. Acknowledgements > > We would like to thank the following persons for their > contribution, discussion on the mailing list and valuable > comments: > > Sebastian Zander > Robert Loewe > Reinaldo Penno > Lutz Mark > Andy Biermann > > Part of the work has been developed in the research project 6QM > co-funded with support from the European Commission. > > 9. Authors' Addresses > > Tanja Zseby > Fraunhofer Institute for Open Communication Systems (FOKUS) > Kaiserin-Augusta-Allee 31 > 10589 Berlin, Germany > Phone: +49 30 3463 7153 > > > > > Zseby, Boschi, Brownlee, Claise [Page 26] > IPFIX Applicability May 2006 > > > > Email: zseby@fokus.fhg.de > > Elisa Boschi > Hitachi Europe SAS > Immeuble Le Theleme > 1503 Route des Dolines > 06560 Valbonne, France > Phone: +33 4 89874180 > Email: elisa.boschi@hitachi-eu.com > > Nevil Brownlee > CAIDA (UCSD/SDSC) > 9500 Gilman Drive > La Jolla, CA 92093-0505 > Phone : +1 858 534 8338 > Email : nevil@caida.org > > Benoit Claise > Cisco Systems > De Kleetlaan 6a b1 > 1831 Diegem > Belgium > Phone: +32 2 704 5622 > Email: bclaise@cisco.com > > 10.Full Copyright Statement > > "Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2006). 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Benoit, I guess the example address in the protocol draft also need to
be changed for conformance with RFC3330.
Thanks. Done.
The IP addresses in the example section now contains 192.0.2.0/24, as explained in RFC 3330

Regards, Benoit.
Regards,
Tanja
  





                                                                         
 Internet Draft                                              Tanja Zseby 
 Document: <draft-ietf-ipfix-as-07.txt>                 Fraunhofer FOKUS 
 Expires: October 2006                                      Elisa Boschi 
                                                                 Hitachi 
                                                          Nevil Brownlee 
                                                                   CAIDA 
                                                           Benoit Claise 
                                                           Cisco Systems 
                                                                         
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    Abstract 
     
    This document describes the applicability of the IP Flow 
    Information Export (IPFIX) protocol for a variety of 
    applications. It shows how applications can use IPFIX, describes 
    the relevant information elements (IEs) and shows opportunities 
    and limitations of the protocol. The document furthermore 
    describes relations of the IPFIX framework to other 
    architectures and frameworks. 
  









































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 Table of Contents 
    1.   Introduction.............................................4 
    2.   Applications of IPFIX....................................4 
    2.1  Accounting...............................................4 
    2.1.1 Example.................................................5 
    2.2  Traffic Profiling........................................7 
    2.3  Traffic Engineering......................................7 
    2.4  Network Security.........................................8 
    2.5  QoS Monitoring..........................................10 
    2.5.1 Correlating Events from Multiple Observation Points....11 
    2.5.2 Examples...............................................11 
    2.6  Inter-Domain Exchange of IPFIX data.....................13 
    2.7  Export of Derived Metrics...............................13 
    2.8  Summary.................................................14 
    3.   Relation of IPFIX to Other Frameworks and Protocols.....14 
    3.1  IPFIX and PSAMP.........................................14 
    3.2  IPFIX and RMON..........................................15 
    3.3  IPFIX and IPPM..........................................15 
    3.4  IPFIX and AAA...........................................16 
    3.4.1 Connecting via an AAA Client...........................17 
    3.4.2 Connecting via an Application Specific Module (ASM)....17 
    3.5  IPFIX and RTFM..........................................18 
    3.5.1 Architecture...........................................18 
    3.5.2 Flow Definition........................................19 
    3.5.3 Configuration and Management...........................19 
    3.5.4 Data Collection........................................19 
    3.5.5 Data Model Details.....................................20 
    3.5.6 Transport Protocol.....................................20 
    3.5.7 Summary................................................20 
    4.   Limitations.............................................21 
    4.1  Using IPFIX for other Applications than in RFC3917......21 
    4.2  Using a Different Transport Protocol than SCTP..........21 
    4.3  Push vs. Pull Mode......................................21 
    4.4  Template ID number......................................22 
    4.5  Exporting Bidirectional Flow Information................22 
    4.6  IPFIX and IPv6..........................................23 
    5.   Security Considerations.................................23 
    6.   Normative References....................................24 
    7.   Informative References..................................24 
    8.   Acknowledgements........................................26 
    9.   Authors' Addresses......................................26 
    10.  Full Copyright Statement................................27 
    11.  Intellectual Property Statement.........................27 
    12.  Copyright Statement.....................................28 
    13.  Disclaimer..............................................28 
     
  





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 1. Introduction 
  
    The IPFIX protocol defines how IP Flow information can be 
    exported from routers, measurement probes or other devices. It 
    is intended to provide this information as input to various 
    applications. IPFIX is a general data transport protocol, easily 
    extensible to suit the needs of different applications. This 
    document describes how typical applications that can use the 
    IPFIX protocol. It shows opportunities and limitations of the 
    protocol. Furthermore, the relationship of IPFIX to other 
    frameworks and architectures is described. 
     
 2. Applications of IPFIX 
     
    IPFIX data enables several critical applications. The IPFIX 
    target applications and the requirements that originate from 
    those applications are described in [RFC3917]. Those 
    requirements were used as basis for the design of the IPFIX 
    protocol. This section describes how these target applications 
    can use the IPFIX protocol. Considerations for using IPFIX for 
    other applications than described in [RFC3917] can be found in 
    section 4.1. 
  
  2.1 Accounting 
  
    Usage based accounting is one of the major applications for 
    which the IPFIX protocol has been developed. IPFIX records 
    provide fine-grained measurement results for highly flexible and 
    detailed resource usage accounting.  
    In order to realize usage-based accounting with IPFIX the flow 
    definition has to be chosen in accordance to the tariff model.  
    Flows can be distinguished by various IEs (e.g. packet header 
    fields) from [IPFIX-INFO]. Due to the flexible IPFIX flow 
    definition, arbitrary flow-based accounting models can be 
    realized without extensions to the IPFIX protocol. 
     
    A tariff can, for instance, be based on individual end-to-end 
    flows, in which case accounting can be realized with a flow 
    definition determined by the quintuple consisting of source 
    address (sourceIPv4Address), destination address 
    (destinationIPv4Address), protocol (protocolIdentifier) and port 
    numbers (e.g., udpSourcePort, udpDestinationPort). Another 
    example is a class-dependent tariff (e.g. in a DiffServ 
    network). In this case flows could be distinguished just by the 
    DiffServ codepoint (DSCP) (ipDiffServCodePoint) and IP addresses 
    (sourceIPv4Address, destinationIPv4Address). The essential 
    elements needed for accounting are the number of transferred 





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    packets and bytes per flow, which can be represented by the per-
    flow counter IEs (e.g., packetTotalCount, octetTotalCount). 
  
    For accounting purposes, it would be advantageous to have the 
    ability to use IPFIX flow records as accounting input in an AAA 
    infrastructure. AAA servers then could provide the mapping 
    between user and flow information. 
     
    Note that the reliability requirements defined in [RFC3917] are 
    not sufficient to guarantee the level of reliability that is 
    needed for many usage-based accounting systems. Particular 
    reliability requirements for accounting systems are discussed in 
    [RFC2975].  
  
 2.1.1 Example 
  
    Please note: [RFC3330] demands the use of the address block 
    192.0.2.0/24 for example addresses. In the example below we use 
    two example networks. In order to be conformant to [RFC3330] we 
    divide the given address block into two networks by subnetting 
    with a 25 bit netmask (192.0.2.0/25) as follows: 
     
    Network A: 192.0.2.0 ... 192.0.2.127 
    Network B: 192.0.2.128 ... 192.0.2.255 
  
    Let's suppose someone has a Service Level Agreement (SLA) in a 
    DiffServ network requiring accounting based on traffic volume. 
    Flows are distinguished by source and destination address. The 
    information to export in this case is: 
        - IPv4 source IP address: sourceIPv4Address in [IPFIX-INFO], 
         with a length of 4 octets 
        - IPv4 destination IP address: destinationIPv4Address in 
         [IPFIX-INFO], with a length of 4 octets 
        - DSCP: ipDiffServCodePoint in [IPFIX-INFO], with a length of 
         1 octet 
        - Number of octets of the Flow: OctetDeltaCount in [IPFIX-
         INFO], with a length of 4 octets  
         
    The template set will look as follows:  
  
          +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+   
          |         Set ID = 2            |      Length = 24 octets       |   
          +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+   
          |       Template ID 256         |       Field Count = 4         |   
          +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+   
          |0|    sourceIPv4Address = 8    |       Field Length = 4        |   
          +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+   
          |0| destinationIPv4Address = 12 |       Field Length = 4        |   
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          |0|  ipDiffServCodePoint = 195  |       Field Length = 1        |   
          +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+   
          |0|     OctetDeltaCount = 1     |       Field Length = 4        |  
          +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+   
     
    The information to be exported might be as listed in the 
    following example table: 
     
    Src. IP addr. | Dst. IP addr. |  DSCP  | Octets Number   
    --------------+---------------+--------+-------------- 
    192.0.2.12    |  192.0.2.144  |   46   |   120868        
    192.0.2.24    |  192.0.2.156  |   46   |   310364 
    192.0.2.36    |  192.0.2.168  |   46   |   241239 
            
    In the example we use Diffserv CodePoint 46, recommended for the 
    Expedited Forwarding Per Hop Behavior (EF PHB) in [RFC2598]. 
     
    The Flow Records will then look as follows: 
     
        0                   1                   2                   3  
        0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1  
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+  
       |          Set ID = 256         |          Length = 43          |  
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+  
       |                          192.0.2.12                           | 
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+  
       |                          192.0.2.144                          |  
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+  
       |      46       |               120868                          |  
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+  
       |               |               192.0.2.24                      |  
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ 
       |               |               192.0.2.156                     |  
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+   
       |               |       46      |                 310364        |  
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+  
       |                               |         192.0.2.36            |   
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+  
       |                               |         192.0.2.168           |   
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ 
       |                               |       46      |               |  
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+  
       |                   241239                      |     
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+  
     
  
  2.2 Traffic Profiling  
     




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    Measurement results reported in IPFIX records can be used for 
    traffic profiling. IPFIX records captured over a long period of 
    time can be used to track and anticipate network growth and 
    usage. Such Information is valuable for trend analysis and 
    network planning. 
     
    The parameters of interest are determined by the profiling 
    objectives. Example parameters for traffic profiling are flow 
    duration, flow volume, burstiness, the distribution of used 
    services and protocols, the amount of packets of a specific 
    type, etc. [RFC3917].  
     
    The distribution of services and protocols in use can be 
    analyzed by configuring appropriate flows keys for flow 
    discrimination. Protocols can be distinguished by the 
    protocolIdentifier IE. Portnumbers (e.g., udpDestinationPort) 
    often provide information about services in use. Those flow keys 
    are defined in [IPFIX-INFO]. If portnumbers are not sufficient 
    for service discrimination, further parts of the packet may be 
    needed. Header fields can be expressed by IEs from [IPFIX-INFO] 
    Packet payload can be reported by using the IE 
    ipPayloadPacketSection in [PSAMP-INFO]. 
  
    The flow duration can be calculated from the flow time stamp IEs 
    defined in [IPFIX-INFO] (e.g., flowEndMicroseconds - 
    flowStartMicroseconds). The number of packets and number of 
    bytes of a flow are represented in the per-flow counter IEs 
    (e.g., packetTotalCount, octetTotalCount). The burstiness of a 
    flow can be calculated from the flow volume measured at 
    different time intervals.  
  
  2.3 Traffic Engineering 
     
    Traffic engineering aims at the optimization of network resource 
    utilization and traffic performance [RFC2702]. Typical 
    parameters are link utilization, load between specific network, 
    nodes, number, size and entry/exit points of active flows and 
    routing information [RFC3917]. 
    Size of flows in packets and bytes can be reported by IEs 
    packetTotalCount, octetTotalCount. Link utilization can be 
    reported by using a coarse grained flow definition (e.g. based 
    on identifier IEs such as egressInterface or ingressInterface) 
    and per-flow counter IEs (e.g. packetTotalCount, 
    octetTotalCount) defined in [IPFIX-INFO].  
     
    The load between specific network nodes can be reported in the 
    same way if one interface of a network node receives only 





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    traffic from exactly one neighbor node (as usually the case). If 
    the ingress interface is not sufficient for an unambiguous  
    identification of the neighbor node, sub-IP header fields IEs 
    (like sourceMacAddress) can be added as flow keys. 
  
    The IE observedFlowTotalCount provides the number of all flows 
    exported for the observation domain since the last 
    initialization of the metering process [IPFIX-INFO]. If this IE 
    is exported at subsequent points in time, one can derive the 
    number of active flows in a specific time interval from the 
    difference of the reported counters. The configured flow 
    termination criteria have to be taken into account to interpret 
    that numbers correctly. 
  
    Entry and exit points can be derived from flow records if 
    metering processes are installed at all edges of the network and 
    results are mapped in accordance to flow keys. For this and 
    other analysis methods that require the mapping of records from 
    different observation points, the same flow keys should be used 
    at all observation points. The path that packets take through a 
    network can be investigated by using hash-based sampling 
    techniques as described in [DuGr00] and [PSAMP-TECH]. For this 
    IEs from [PSAMP-INFO] are needed. 
  
    Neither [IPFIX-INFO] nor [PSAMP-INFO] defines IEs suitable for 
    exporting routing information. 
     
  2.4 Network Security 
     
    Attack and intrusion detection are among the IPFIX target 
    applications described in [RFC3917]. Due to the enormous amount 
    of different network attack types, only general requirements 
    could be addressed in [RFC3917]. 
  
    IPFIX can export flow information for arbitrary flow definitions 
    as defined in [IPFIX-PROTO]. Packet information can be exported 
    with IPFIX by using the additional information elements 
    described in [PSAMP-INFO]. With this theoretically all 
    information about traffic in the network at IP layer and above 
    is accessible. This data can be used either directly to detect 
    anomalies or can provide the basis for further post processing 
    to generate more complex attack detection metrics.  
     
    Depending on the attack type different metrics are useful. A 
    sudden increase of traffic load can be a hint that an attack has 
    been launched. The overall traffic at an observation point can 
    be monitored using per-flow counter IEs like packetTotalCount, 
    octetTotalCount as described in 2.3. The number of active flows 




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    can be monitored by regular reporting of the 
    observedFlowTotalCount. 
     
    A sudden increase of flows from different sources to one 
    destination may be caused by an attack on a specific host or 
    network node using spoofed addresses. Many flows to the same 
    machine but on different ports or many flows to the same port 
    and different machines may be an indicator for vertical or 
    horizontal port scanning activities. An unusual ratio of TCP-SYN 
    to TCP-FIN packets can refer to SYN-flooding. Worms may leave 
    signatures in traffic patterns.  
     
    The amount of metrics useful for attack detection is as diverse 
    as attack patterns themselves. Attackers adapt rapidly to 
    circumvent detection methods and try to hide attack patterns 
    using slow or stealth attacks. Furthermore, unusual traffic 
    patterns are not always caused by malicious activities. A sudden 
    traffic increase may be caused by legitimate users who seek 
    access to a recently published content. Strange traffic patterns 
    may also be caused by mis-configuration.  
     
    The difficult task is the separation of good from bad packets to 
    prepare and launch counteraction. This may require a deeper look 
    into packet content by using further header field IEs from 
    [IPFIX-INFO] and/or packet payload from IE 
    ipPayloadPacketSection in [PSAMP-INFO]. Multi-step analysis 
    techniques may be useful, e.g., to launch an in-depth analysis 
    (e.g. based on packet information) in case the flow information 
    shows suspicious patterns. In order to supervise traffic to a 
    specific host or network node one has to apply filtering methods 
    as those described in [PSAMP-TECH]. 
  
    Mapping the two directions of a communication is often useful 
    for checking correct protocol behavior (see section 4.5). A 
    correlation of IPFIX data from multiple observation points (see 
    section 2.5.1) allows assessing the propagation of an attack and 
    can help to locate its source.  
     
    The integration of previous measurement results helps to review 
    traffic changes over time for detection of traffic anomalies and 
    provides the basis for forensic analysis. A standardized storage 
    format for IPIFX data would support the offline analysis of data 
    from different operators. 
     
    Nevertheless, capturing full packet traces at all observation 
    points in the network is not viable due to resource limitations 
    and privacy concerns. Therefore metrics should be chosen wisely 
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    Resources can be saved for instance by using coarser grained 
    flow definitions, reporting pre-processed metrics (e.g. with 
    additional information elements) or deployment of sampling 
    methods. 
  
    Detecting security incidents in real-time often requires the 
    pre-processing of data already at the measurement device. 
    Immediate data export in case of a potential incident is 
    desired. IPIFX supports such source-triggered exporting of 
    information due to the push model approach. Nevertheless, 
    further exporting criteria have to be implemented to export 
    IPFIX records upon incident detection events and not only upon 
    flow end or fixed time intervals. 
     
    Security incidents can become a threat to IPFIX processes 
    themselves (see also security considerations in [IPFIX-PROTO]). 
    If an attack generates a large amount of flows (e.g. by sending 
    packets with spoofed addresses or simulating flow termination) 
    exporting and collecting process may get overloaded by the 
    immense amount of records that are exported. A flexible 
    deployment of packet or flow sampling methods can prevent the 
    exhaustion of resources.    
     
    Intrusion detection would profit from the combination of IPFIX 
    functions with AAA functions (see section 3.4). Such an 
    interoperation enables further means for attacker detection, 
    advanced defense strategies and secure inter-domain cooperation. 
  
  2.5 QoS Monitoring 
     
    QoS monitoring is one target application of the IPFIX protocol 
    [RFC3917]. QoS monitoring is the passive observation of the 
    transmission quality for single flows or traffic aggregates in 
    the network. One example of its use is the validation of QoS 
    guarantees in service level agreements (SLAs). Typical QoS 
    parameters are loss [RFC2680], one-way [RFC2679] and round-trip 
    delay [RFC2681] and delay variation [RFC3393]. The calculation 
    of those QoS metrics requires per-packet processing. Reporting 
    packet information with IPFIX is possible by simply considering 
    a single packet as flow. [IPFIX-PROTO] also allows the reporting 
    of multiple identical information elements in one flow record. 
    Using this feature for reporting information about multiple 
    packets in one record would require additional agreement on 
    semantics regarding the order of information elements (e.g. 
    which timestamp belongs to which packet payload in a sequence of 
    information elements). [PSAMP-INFO] defines useful additional 
    information elements for exporting per packet information with 
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 2.5.1 Correlating Events from Multiple Observation Points 
     
    Some QoS metrics require the correlation of data from multiple 
    observation points. For this the clocks of the involved metering 
    processes must be synchronized. Furthermore, it is necessary to 
    recognize that the same packet was observed at different 
    observation point. 
    This can be done by capturing parts of the packet content 
    (packet header and/or parts of the payload) that do not change 
    on the way to the destination. Based on the packet content it 
    can be recognized when the same packet arrived at another 
    observation point. To reduce the amount of measurement data a 
    unique packet ID can be calculated from the packet content e.g. 
    by using a CRC or hash function instead of transferring and 
    comparing the unprocessed content. Considerations on collision 
    probability and efficiency of using such packet IDs are 
    described in [GrDM98, DuGr00, ZsZC01]. 
     
    IPFIX allows the reporting of several IP and transport header 
    fields (see section 5.3 and 5.4 in [IPFIX-INFO]). Using only 
    those fields for packet recognition or ID generation can be 
    sufficient in scenarios where those header fields vary a lot 
    among subsequent packets, where a certain amount of packet ID 
    collisions is tolerable or where packet IDs need to be unique 
    only for a small time interval. 
     
    For including packet payload information the information element 
    ipPayloadPacketSection defined in [PSAMP-INFO] can be used. The 
    information element ipHeaderPacketSection can also be used. But 
    header fields that can change on the way from source to 
    destination have to be excluded from the packet ID generation, 
    because they may differ at different observation points.  
     
    For reporting packet IDs generated by a CRC or hash function the 
    information element digestHashValue defined in [PSAMP-INFO] can 
    be used. 
     
 2.5.2 Examples 
  
    The following examples show which information elements need to 
    be reported by IPFIX to generate specific QoS metrics. As an 
    alternative the metrics can be generated directly at the 
    exporter and IPIFX can be used to export the metrics (see 
    section 2.7) 
  
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    The passive measurement of round-trip-times (RTT) can be 
    performed by using packet pair matching techniques as described 
    in [Brow00]. For the measurements, request/response packet pairs 
    from protocols such as DNS, ICMP, SNMP or TCP (SYN/SYN_ACK, 
    DATA/ACK) are utilized to passively observe the RTT [Brow00]. 
    This technique requires the correlation of data from both 
    directions. 
     
    Required information elements per packet (DNS example):  
    - Packet arrival time: observationTimeMicroseconds [PSAMP-INFO]  
    - DNS header: ipPayloadPacketSection [PSAMP-INFO] 
     
    Required functions:  
    - Recognition of request/response packet pairs 
     
    Remarks: 
    - Requires information elements from [PSAMP-INFO] 
    - observationTimeMicroseconds    can    be    substituted    by 
       flowStartMicroseconds [IPFIX-INFO], because a single packet 
       can be represented as a flow. 
    - If  time  values  with  a  higher  granularity  are  needed 
       observationTimeNanoseconds can be used. 
  
 2.5.2.2 One-way Delay Measurements (multi-point) 
  
    Passive one-way-delay measurements require the collection of 
    data at two observation points. The recognition of packets at 
    the second observation point can be based on parts of the packet 
    content directly. A more efficient way is to use a packet ID 
    (generated from packet content). 
     
    Required information elements per packet (with packet ID): 
    - Packet arrival time: observationTimeMicroseconds [PSAMP-INFO]  
    - Packet ID: digestHashValue [PSAMP-INFO] 
     
    Required functions:  
    - packet ID generation 
    - delay calculation (from arrival times at the two observation 
       points) 
  
    Remarks: 
    - Requires information elements from [PSAMP-INFO] 
    - observationTimeMicroseconds    can    be    substituted    by 
       flowStartMicroseconds [IPFIX-INFO], because a single packet 
       can be represented as a flow. 
    - If  time  values  with  a  higher  granularity  are  needed 
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    - The amount of content used for ID generation influences the 
       number of collisions (different packets that map to the same 
       ID)  that  can  occur.  Investigations  on  this  and  other 
       considerations  on  packet  ID  generation  can  be  found  in 
       [GrDM98], [DuGr00], and [ZsZC01]. 
  
  2.6 Inter-Domain Exchange of IPFIX data 
     
    IPFIX data can be used to share information with neighbor 
    providers. A few recommendations should to be considered if 
    IPFIX records travel over the public Internet compared to its 
    usage within a single domain. First of all, security threats are 
    higher if data travels over the public Internet. Protection 
    against disclosure or manipulation of data is even more 
    important than for intra-domain usage. Therefore IPsec or 
    Transport Layer Security (TLS) should be used as described in 
    [IPFIX-PROTO]. 
     
    Furthermore data transfer should be congestion-aware in order to 
    allow untroubled co-existence with other data flows. That means 
    transport over SCTP or TCP is required.  
     
    Some ISPs are still reluctant to share information due to 
    concerns that competing ISPs might exploit network information 
    from neighbor providers to strengthen their own position in the 
    market. Nevertheless, technical needs have already triggered the 
    exchange of data in the past (e.g. exchange of routing 
    information by BGP). The need to provide inter-domain guarantees 
    is one big incentive to increase inter-domain cooperation. The 
    necessity to defend networks against current and future threats 
    (denial of service attacks, worm distributions, etc.) will 
    hopefully increase the willingness to exchange measurement data 
    between providers. 
     
  2.7  Export of Derived Metrics 
     
  
    The IPFIX protocol is used to transport flow and packet 
    information to provide the input for the calculation of a 
    variety metrics (e.g. for QoS validation or attack detection).  
    IPFIX can also be used to transfer these metrics directly, e.g. 
    if the metric calculation is co-located with measurement and 
    exporting process. 
     
    It doesn't matter which measurement and post-processing 
    functions are applied to generate a specific metric. IPFIX can 
    be used to transport the results from passive and active 
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    reporting of derived metrics additional information elements 
    need to be defined. 
  
  2.8 Summary 
     
    The following table shows an overview of the information 
    elements required for the target applications described in 
    [RFC3917] (M-mandatory, R-recommended, O-optional). 
  
    | Application |[IPFIX-INFO]| [PSAMP-INFO] | additional IEs  | 
    +-------------+------------+--------------+-----------------+ 
    | Accounting  |     M      |      -       |       -         | 
    +-------------+------------+--------------+-----------------+ 
    | Traffic     |     M      |      O       |       -         | 
    | Profiling   |            |              |                 | 
    +-------------+------------+--------------+-----------------+ 
    | Traffic     |     M      |      -       |       O         | 
    | Engineering |            |              | (routing info)  | 
    +-------------+------------+--------------+-----------------+ 
    | Attack      |     M      |      R       |       R         | 
    | Detection   |            |              |(derived metrics)| 
    +-------------+------------+--------------+-----------------+ 
    | QoS         |     M      |      M       |       O         | 
    | Monitoring  |            |(most metrics)|(derived metrics)| 
    +-------------+------------+--------------+-----------------+ 
  
    For accounting the IEs in [IPFIX-INFO] are sufficient. For 
    traffic profiling additionally IEs from [PSAMP-INFO] can be 
    useful to gain more insight into the traffic. For traffic 
    engineering flow information from [IPFIX-INFO] is sufficient but 
    it would profit from routing information, which could be 
    exported by IPFIX. Attack detection usually profits from further 
    insight into the traffic. This can be achieved with IEs from 
    [PSAMP-INFO]. Furthermore the reporting of derived metrics in 
    additional IEs would be useful. Most QoS metrics require the use 
    of IEs from [PSAMP-INFO]. IEs from [PSAMP-INFO]are also useful 
    for the mapping of results from different observation points as 
    described in section 2.5.1. 
  
 3. Relation of IPFIX to Other Frameworks and Protocols  
     
  3.1 IPFIX and PSAMP 
     
    PSAMP defines packet selection methods, their configuration at 
    routers and probes and the reporting of packet information.  
     
    PSAMP uses IPIFX as basis for exporting packet information 
    [PSAMP-PROTO]. [PSAMP-INFO] describes further information 




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    elements for exporting packet information and reporting 
    configuration information. 
  
    The main difference between IPFIX and PSAMP is that IPFIX 
    addresses the export of flow records whereas PSAMP addresses the 
    export of packet records. Furthermore, PSAMP explicitly 
    addresses remote configuration. It defines a MIB for the 
    configuration of packet selection processes. Remote 
    configuration is not (yet) addressed in IPFIX, but one could 
    consider extending the PSAMP MIB to also allow configuration of 
    IPFIX processes.  
  
  3.2 IPFIX and RMON 
     
    RMON [RFC3577] is a widely used monitoring system that gathers 
    traffic data from RMON Agents in network devices in a general 
    way using SNMP. The RMON MIB is divided into sections, each 
    section providing different monitoring functions.  For example, 
    the 'Hosts' section gathers statistics for hosts which are 
    active on the network being monitored. 
     
    RMON has three MIBs that deal with flow information: 
     
    - The Application Performance Measurement MIB (APM-MIB) 
       [RFC3729] has a complex system for tracking user application 
       performance, with flow reporting and SLA threshold 
       notification-trigger configuration, and persistence across 
       DHCP lease expirations. It requires full RMON2-MIB 
       protocolDirTable implementation. 
  
    - The Transport Performance Metrics MIB (TPM-MIB) [RFC4150] 
       breaks out the APM-MIB user flow data into statistics based on 
       the IPPM metrics. It requires APM-MIB and RMON2-MIB. 
  
    - The Synthetic Sources for Performance Monitoring Algorithms 
       MIB (SSPM-MIB) [RFC4149] is used to configure and run packet 
       and flow generators for performance testing purposes.  It 
       requires RMON2-MIB. 
  
  3.3 IPFIX and IPPM 
     
    The IPFIX protocol can be used to carry IPPM network performance 
    metrics or information that can be used to calculate those 
    metrics (see sections 2.5 and 2.7). 
     
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    AAA defines a protocol and architecture for authentication, 
    authorization and accounting for service usage [RFC2903]. The 
    DIAMETER protocol [RFC3588] is used for AAA communication, which 
    is needed for network access services (Mobile IP, NASREQ, and 
    ROAMOPS). The AAA architecture [RFC2903] provides a framework 
    for extending AAA support to other services. DIAMETER defines 
    the exchange of messages between AAA entities, e.g. between AAA 
    clients at access devices and AAA servers, and among AAA 
    servers. DIAMETER is used for the transfer of accounting 
    records. In order to form accounting records for usage-based 
    accounting measurement data from the network is required. IPFIX 
    defines a protocol to export such data from routers, measurement 
    probes and other devices. Therefore it looks promising to 
    connect those two architectures. 
     
    As shown in section 2.1 accounting can be realized without an 
    AAA infrastructure. Accounting applications can directly 
    incorporate an IPFIX collecting process to receive IPFIX records 
    with information about the transmitted volume. Nevertheless, if 
    an AAA infrastructure is in place, the cooperation between IPFIX 
    and AAA provides many valuable synergistic benefits. IPFIX 
    records can provide the input for AAA accounting functions and 
    provide the basis for the generation of DIAMETER accounting 
    records. Further potential features include the mapping of a 
    user ID to flow information (by using authentication 
    information) or facilitating the secure authorized exchange of 
    DIAMETER accounting records with neighbor domains. The last 
    feature is especially useful in roaming scenarios where the user 
    connects to a foreign network and the home provider generates 
    the invoice.   
     
    Coupling an IPFIX collecting process with AAA functions has also 
    high potential for intrusion and attack detection. AAA controls 
    network access and maintains data about users and nodes. AAA 
    functions can help to identify the source of malicious traffic. 
    They are able to deny access to suspicious users or nodes. 
    Therefore coupling those functions with an IPFIX collecting 
    process can provide an efficient defense against network 
    attacks. Sharing IPFIX records (either directly or encapsulated 
    in DIAMETER) with neighbor providers allows an efficient inter-
    domain attack detection. The AAA infrastructure can also be used 
    to configure measurement functions in the network as proposed in 
    [RFC3334]. 
     
    Two possibilities exist to connect IPFIX and AAA:  
     
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    Both are explained in the following sections. The approaches 
    only require few additional functions. They do not require any 
    changes to IPFIX or DIAMETER. 
     
 3.4.1 Connecting via an AAA Client 
     
    One possibility of connecting IPFIX and AAA is to run an AAA 
    client on the IPFIX collector. This client can generate DIAMETER 
    accounting messages and send them to an AAA server. The mapping 
    of the flow information to a user ID can be done in the AAA 
    server by using data from the authentication process. DIAMETER 
    accounting messages can be sent to the accounting application or 
    to other AAA servers (e.g. in roaming scenarios). 
  
           +---------+  DIAMETER    +---------+ 
           |  AAA-S  |------------->|  AAA-S  | 
           +---------+              +---------+ 
                ^ 
                | DIAMETER 
                | 
                | 
         +--+--------+--+ 
         |  |  AAA-C |  | 
         +  +--------+  | 
         |              | 
         |  Collector   | 
         +--------------+   
                ^ 
                | IPFIX 
                | 
          +------------+ 
          |  Exporter  | 
          +------------+    
     
    Figure 2: IPFIX collector connects to AAA server via AAA client  
     
 3.4.2 Connecting via an Application Specific Module (ASM) 
     
    Another possibility is to directly connect the IPFIX collector 
    with the AAA server via an application specific module (ASM). 
    Application specific modules have been proposed by the IRTF AAA 
    architecture research group (AAARCH) in [RFC2903]. They act as 
    an interface between AAA server and service equipment. In this 
    case the IPFIX collector is part of the ASM. The ASM acts as an 
    interface between the IPFIX protocol and the input interface of 
    the AAA server. The ASM translates the received IPFIX data into 
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    can add information about the user ID and generate a DIAMETER 
    accounting record. This accounting record can be sent to an 
    accounting application or to other AAA servers. 
     
           +---------+  DIAMETER    +---------+ 
           |  AAA-S  |------------->|  AAA-S  | 
           +---------+              +---------+ 
                ^ 
                | 
        +------------------+ 
        |     ASM          | 
        |  +------------+  | 
        |  |  Collector |  | 
        +------------------+ 
                ^ 
                | IPFIX 
                | 
          +------------+ 
          |  Exporter  | 
          +------------+ 
     
    Figure 3: IPFIX connects to AAA server via ASM 
  
  3.5 IPFIX and RTFM  
   
    The Real-time Traffic Flow Measurement (RTFM) working group 
    defined an architecture for flow measurement [RFC2722]. This 
    section compares the Real-time Traffic Flow Measurement (RTFM) 
    framework with the IPFIX framework.  
          
 3.5.1   Architecture 
  
    The RTFM architecture is very similar to the IPFIX architecture. 
    It defines meter, meter reader and a manager as building blocks 
    of the measurement architecture. The manager configures the 
    meter and the meter reader collects data from the meter.  
    In RTFM the building blocks communicate via SNMP.  
    The IPFIX architecture [IPFIX-ARCH] defines metering, exporting 
    and collecting processes. IPFIX speaks about processes instead 
    of devices to clarify that multiple of those processes may be 
    collocated on the same machine. 
    Both definitions do not contradict each other. One could see the 
    metering process as part of the meter and the collecting process 
    as part of the meter reader.   
    One difference is that IPFIX currently does not define a 
    managing process, because remote configuration was at least 
    initially out of scope for the working group. 
     




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 3.5.2    Flow Definition 

    RTFM and IPFIX both consider flows as a group of packets which 
    share a common set of properties. A flow is completely specified 
    by that set of values, together with a termination criterion 
    (like inactivity timeout). 
     
    A difference is that RTFM defines flows as bidirectional. An 
    RTFM meter matches packets from B to A and A to B as separate 
    parts of a single flow, and maintains two sets of packet and 
    byte counters, one for each direction.  
  
    IPFIX does not explicitly state whether flows are uni- or 
    bidirectional. Nevertheless information elements for describing 
    flow properties were defined only for one direction in [IPFIX-
    INFO]. Nevertheless, there are several solutions for reporting 
    bi-directional flow information (see section 4.5). 
  
 3.5.3   Configuration and Management  
     
    In RTFM, remote configuration is the only way to configure a 
    meter. This is done by using SNMP and a specific Meter MIB [RFC 
    2720]. The IPFIX group currently does not address IPFIX remote 
    configuration. 
     
    IPFIX metering processes export the layout of data within their 
    templates, from time to time. IPFIX collecting processes use 
    that template information to determine how they should interpret 
    the IPFIX flow data they receive. 
     
 3.5.4   Data Collection 
     
    One major difference between IPFIX and RTFM is the data 
    collection model. RTFM retrieves data in pull mode whereas IPFIX 
    uses a push mode model to send data to collecting processes.  
     
    An RTFM meter reader pulls data from a meter by using SNMP. SNMP 
    security on the meter determines whether a reader is allowed to 
    pull data from it. An IPFIX exporting process is configured to 
    export records to a specified list of IPFIX collecting 
    processes. The condition when to send IPFIX records (e.g. flow 
    termination) has to be configured in the exporting or metering 
    process. 
  
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    RTFM defines all its attributes in the RTFM Meter MIB [RFC 
    2720]. IPFIX information elements are defined in [IPFIX-INFO]. 
     
    RTFM uses continuously-incrementing 64-bit counters for the 
    storage of the number of packets of a flow. The counters are 
    never reset and just wrap back to zero if the maximum value is 
    exceeded. Flows can be read at any time. The difference between 
    counter readings gives the counts for activity in the interval 
    between readings. 
    IPFIX allows absolute (totalCounter) and relative counters 
    (deltaCounter) [IPFIX-INFO]. The totalCounter is never reset and 
    just wraps to zero if values are too large, exactly as the 
    counters used in RTFM. The deltaCounter is reset to zero when 
    the associated flow record is exported. 
  
 3.5.6   Transport Protocol  
          
    RTFM has a standards-track Meter MIB [RFC 2720], which is used 
    both to configure a meter and to store metering results.  The 
    MIB provides a way to read lists of attributes with a single 
    Object Identifier (called a 'package'), which reduces the SNMP 
    overhead for flow data collection. SNMP, of course, normally 
    uses UDP as its transport protocol. Since RTFM requires a 
    reliable flow data transport system, an RTFM meter reader must 
    time out and resend unanswered SNMP requests. Apart from being 
    clumsy, this can limit the maximum data transfer rate from meter 
    to meter reader. 
     
    IPFIX is designed to work over a variety of different transport 
    protocols.  SCTP [RFC2960] and SCTP-PR [RFC3758] are mandatory.  
    UDP and TCP are optional.  In addition, the IPFIX protocol 
    encodes data much more efficiently than SNMP does, hence IPFIX 
    has lower data transport overheads than RTFM. 
  
 3.5.7   Summary 
     
    IPFIX exports flow information in push model by using SCTP, TCP 
    or UDP. It currently does not address remote configuration. RTFM 
    data collection is using the pull model and runs over SNMP. RTFM 
    addresses remote configuration which also runs over SNMP. Both 
    frameworks allow a very flexible flow definition, although RTFM 
    is based on a bi-directional flow definition. 
     
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    The goal of this section is to show the limitations of IPFIX and 
    to give advice where not to use IPFIX or in which cases 
    additional considerations are required.  
     
  4.1 Using IPFIX for other Applications than in RFC3917 
     
    IPFIX provides a generic export mechanism. Due to its template 
    based structure, it is a quite flexible protocol. Network 
    operators and users may want to use it also for other 
    applications than those described in [RFC 3917]. 
     
    Apart from sending raw flow information it can be used to send 
    aggregated or post-processed data. For this new templates and 
    information elements can be defined if needed. Due to its push 
    mode operation IPFIX is also suited to send network initiated 
    events like alarms and other notifications. It can be used for 
    exchanging information among network nodes to autonomously 
    improve network operation.   
  
    Nevertheless, the IPFIX design is based on the requirements that 
    originate only from the target applications stated in [RFC 
    3917]. Using IPFIX for other purposes requires a careful 
    checking of IPFIX capabilities against application requirements. 
    Only with this, can one decide whether IPFIX is a suitable 
    protocol to meet the needs of a specific application. 
     
  4.2 Using a Different Transport Protocol than SCTP 
     
    SCTP is the preferred protocol for IPFIX, i.e. a conforming 
    implementation must work over SCTP. Although IPFIX can also work 
    over TCP or UDP, both protocols have drawbacks [IPFIX-PROTO]. 
    Users should make sure they have good reasons befor using 
    protocols other than SCTP in a specific environment. 
     
  4.3 Push vs. Pull Mode 
     
    IPFIX works in push mode. That means IPFIX records are 
    automatically exported without waiting for a request.  
    The responsibility for initiating a data export lies with the 
    exporting process.  
     
    Criteria for exporting data need to be configured at the 
    exporting process. Therefore push mode has more benefits if the 
    trigger for data export is related to events at the exporting 
    process (e.g. flow termination, memory shortage due to large 
    amount of flows, etc.). If the protocol used pull mode, the 
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    data. With push mode it can send data immediately e.g. before 
    memory shortage would require a discarding of data. 
     
    With push mode one can prevent the overloading of resources at 
    the exporting process by simply exporting the information as 
    soon as certain thresholds are about to exceed. Therefore 
    exporting criteria are often related to traffic characteristics 
    (e.g. flow timeout) or resource limitations (e.g. size of flow 
    cache). But traffic characteristics are usually quite dynamic 
    and often impossible to predict. If those are used to trigger 
    flow export, the exporting rate and the resource consumption for 
    flow export becomes variable and unpredictable.  
     
    Pull mode has advantages if the trigger for data export is 
    related to events at the collecting process (e.g. a specific 
    application requests immediate input).  
     
    In a pull mode, a request could simply be forwarded to the 
    exporting process. In a push mode, the exporting configuration 
    must be changed to trigger the export of the requested data. 
    Furthermore, with pull mode one can prevent the overloading of 
    the collecting process by the arrival of more records than it 
    can process. 
     
    Whether this is a relevant drawback depends on the flexibility 
    of the IPFIX configuration and how IPFIX configuration rules are 
    implemented.   
     
  
  4.4 Template ID number 
     
    The IPFIX specification limits the different template ID numbers 
    that can be assigned to the newly generated template records in 
    an observation domain. In particular, template IDs up to 255 are 
    reserved for Template or option sets (or other sets to be 
    created) and template IDs from 256 to 65535 are assigned to data 
    sets. In the case of many exports requiring many different 
    templates, the set of Template IDs could be exhausted.   
  
  4.5 Exporting Bidirectional Flow Information 
     
    Although IPFIX does not explicitly state that flows are 
    unidirectional, information elements that describe flow 
    characteristics are defined only for one direction in [IPFIX-
    INFO]. [IPFIX-PROTO] allows the reporting of multiple identical 
    information elements in one flow record. With this information 
    elements for forward and reverse direction can be reported in 
    one flow record.  




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    But this is not sufficient. Using this feature for reporting 
    bidirectional flow information would require an agreement on the 
    semantic of information elements (e.g. first counter is counter 
    for the forward direction, second counter for reverse 
    direction).  
     
    Another option is to use two adjacent flow records to report 
    both directions of a bidirectional flow separately. This 
    approach requires additional means for mapping those records and 
    is quite inefficient due to the redundant reporting of flow 
    keys. 
     
  4.6 IPFIX and IPv6 
     
    There are two issues to consider:  
     
    - Generation and reporting of IPFIX records about IPv6 traffic 
    - Exporting IPFIX records over IPv6 
     
    The generation and reporting of IPFIX records about IPv6 traffic 
    is possible as appropriate information elements exist in [IPFIX-
    INFO].  
    Exporting IPFIX records over IPv6 is not explicitly addressed in 
    [IPFIX-PROTO]. Since IPFIX runs over SCTP, SCTP-PR, UDP or TCP, 
    it is trivial to run IPFIX over IPv6 networks, provided that the 
    transport protocol being used to carry IPFIX is running on the 
    IPv6 network. 
  
 5. Security Considerations 
     
    This document describes the usage of IPFIX in various scenarios. 
    Security requirements for IPFIX target applications and security 
    considerations for IPFIX are addressed in [RFC3917] and [IPFIX-
    PROTO]. Those requirements have to be met for the usage of 
    IPFIX. To our current knowledge, the usage scenarios proposed in 
    section 2 do not induce further security hazards. 
     
    Section 3 of this document describes how IPFIX can be used in 
    combination with other frameworks. New security hazards can 
    arise when two individually secure frameworks are combined. For 
    the combination of AAA with IPFIX an application specific module  
    (ASM) or an IPFIX collector can function as transit point for 
    the messages. It has to be ensured that at this point the 
    applied security mechanisms (e.g. encryption of messages) are 
    maintained. 
     





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 6. Normative References  
     
    [IPFIX-INFO] J. Quittek, S. Bryant, J. Meyer, "Information Model 
                  for IP Flow Information Export", Internet Draft 
                  <draft-ietf-ipfix-info-07>, work in progress, May 
                  2005 
     
    [IPFIX-PROTO] B. Claise (Editor), "IPFIX Protocol Specification", 
                  Internet Draft <draft-ietf-ipfix-protocol-21.txt>, 
                  work in progress, April 2006  
     
    [PSAMP-INFO] T. Dietz, F. Dressler, G. Carle, B. Claise, 
                  "Information Model for Packet Sampling Exports", 
                  Internet Draft <draft-ietf-psamp-info-04.txt>, work 
                  in progress, March 2006 
     
    [RFC3917]    J. Quittek, T. Zseby, B. Claise, S. Zander, 
                  "Requirements for IP Flow Information Export", RFC 
                  3917, October 2004 
     
 7. Informative References  
     
    [Brow00]     Nevil Brownlee, "Packet Matching for NeTraMet 
                  Distributions", 
                  http://www2.auckland.ac.nz/net//Internet/rtfm/meeti
                  ngs/47-adelaide/pp-dist/ 
     
    [DuGr00]     Nick Duffield, Matthias Grossglauser, "Trajectory 
                  Sampling for Direct Traffic Observation", 
                  Proceedings of ACM SIGCOMM 2000, Stockholm, Sweden, 
                  August 28 - September 1, 2000 
     
    [GrDM98]     Ian D. Graham, Stephen F. Donnelly, Stele Martin, 
                  Jed Martens, John G. Cleary, "Nonintrusive and 
                  Accurate Measurement of Unidirectional Delay and 
                  Delay Variation on the Internet", INET'98, Geneva, 
                  Switzerland, 21-24 July, 1998 
     
    [IPFIX-ARCH] G. Sadasivan, N. Brownlee, B. Claise, J. Quittek,    
                  "Architecture for IP Flow Information Export", 
                  Internet Draft <draft-ietf-ipfix-architecture-
                  08.txt>, work in progress, March 2005 
     
    [PSAMP-PROTO] Benoit Claise (Ed.), Packet Sampling (PSAMP) 
                  Protocol Specifications, Internet Draft <draft-
                  ietf-psamp-protocol-04.txt>, work in progress, 
                  March 2006 
     




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    [PSAMP-TECH]  T. Zseby, M. Molina, N. Duffield, S. Niccolini, F. 
                  Raspall, "Sampling and Filtering Techniques for IP 
                  Packet Selection" Internet Draft <draft-ietf-psamp-
                  sample-tech-07.txt>, work in progress, July 2005 
     
    [RFC2598]    V. Jacobson, K. Nichols, K. Poduri, "An Expedited 
                  Forwarding PHB", RFC 2598, June 1999 
     
    [RFC2679]    G. Almes, S. Kalidindi, M. Zekauskas, "A One-way 
                  Delay Metric for IPPM", RFC 2679, September 1999   
     
    [RFC2680]    G. Almes, S. Kalidindi, M. Zekauskas, "A One-way 
                  Packet Loss Metric for IPPM",RFC 2680, September 
                  1999 
     
    [RFC2681]    G. Almes, S. Kalidindi, M. Zekauskas, "A Round-trip 
                  Delay Metric for IPPM", RFC 2681, September 1999 
     
    [RFC2702]    D. Awduche, J. Malcolm, J. Agogbua, M. O'Dell, J.        
                  McManus, "Requirements for Traffic Engineering Over 
                  MPLS", RFC 2702, September 1999 
     
    [RFC2722]    Brownlee, N., Mills, C., G. Ruth, "Traffic Flow 
                  Measurement: Architecture", RFC 2722, October 1999 
     
    [RFC2903]    C. de Laat, G. Gross, L. Gommans, J. Vollbrecht, D. 
                  Spence, "Generic AAA Architecture", RFC 2903, 
                  August 2000 
     
    [RFC2960]    R. Stewart (ed.) "Stream Control Transmission 
                  Protocol", RFC 2960, October 2000 
     
    [RFC2975]    B. Aboba, J. Arkko, D. Harrington, "Introduction to 
                  Accounting Management", RFC 2975, October 2000 
     
    [RFC3330]    IANA, "Special-Use IPv4 Addresses", RFC 3330                     
                  September 2002 
     
    [RFC3334]    T. Zseby, S. Zander, G. Carle, "Policy-Based 
                  Accounting", RFC 3334, October 2002                              
     
    [RFC3393]    C. Demichelis, P. Cimento, "IP Packet Delay 
                  Variation Metric for IPPM", RFC 3393, November 2002 
     
    [RFC3577]    S. Waldbusser, R. Cole, C. Kalbfleisch, 
                  D.Romascanu, "Introduction to the Remote Monitoring 
                  (RMON) Family of MIB Module", RFC 3577, August 2003 
     




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    [RFC3588]    P. Calhoun, J. Loughney, E. Guttman, G. Zorn, J. 
                  Arkko, "Diameter Base Protocol", RFC 3588, 
                  September 2003 
     
    [RFC3729]    S. Waldbusser, "Application Performance Measurement 
                  MIB", RFC 3729, March 2004 
     
    [RFC3758]    R. Stewart, M. Ramalho, Q. Xie, M. Tuexen, P. 
                  Conrad, "Stream Control Transmission Protocol 
                  (SCTP) Partial Reliability Extension", RFC 3758, 
                  May 2004  
     
    [RFC4149]    C. Kalbfleisch, R. Cole, D. Romascanu, "Definition 
                  of Managed Objects for Synthetic Sources for 
                  Performance Monitoring Algorithms", RFC 4149, 
                  August 2005 
     
    [RFC4150]    R. Dietz, R. Cole, "Transport Performance Metrics 
                  MIB", RFC 4150, August 2005 
     
    [ZsZC01]     T. Zseby, S. Zander, G. Carle, "Evaluation of 
                  Building Blocks for Passive One-way-delay 
                  Measurements", Proceedings of Passive and Active 
                  Measurement Workshop (PAM 2001), Amsterdam, The 
                  Netherlands, April 23-24, 2001 
     
 8. Acknowledgements 
     
    We would like to thank the following persons for their 
    contribution, discussion on the mailing list and valuable 
    comments: 
     
    Sebastian Zander 
    Robert Loewe 
    Reinaldo Penno 
    Lutz Mark 
    Andy Biermann 
     
    Part of the work has been developed in the research project 6QM 
    co-funded with support from the European Commission.   
     
 9. Authors' Addresses 
     
    Tanja Zseby 
    Fraunhofer Institute for Open Communication Systems (FOKUS) 
    Kaiserin-Augusta-Allee 31   
    10589 Berlin, Germany   
    Phone: +49 30 3463 7153   




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    Email: zseby@fokus.fhg.de 
     
    Elisa Boschi 
    Hitachi Europe SAS  
    Immeuble Le Theleme  
    1503 Route des Dolines  
    06560 Valbonne, France  
    Phone: +33 4 89874180     
    Email: elisa.boschi@hitachi-eu.com  
     
    Nevil Brownlee 
    CAIDA (UCSD/SDSC) 
    9500 Gilman Drive 
    La Jolla, CA 92093-0505 
    Phone : +1 858 534 8338 
    Email : nevil@caida.org 
     
    Benoit Claise 
    Cisco Systems 
    De Kleetlaan 6a b1 
    1831 Diegem 
    Belgium 
    Phone: +32 2 704 5622 
    Email: bclaise@cisco.com 
     
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    contained in this document. For more information, see 





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And also, one exporting > process seems to be able to send same data stream to multiple collector > using different transport protocol. It's allowed by the architecture. However, a simple exporter implimentation might only be able to connect to one collector or speak one transport protocol - with the intention that there would be multiple Export Processes, one for each protocol or collector. And that might be a good design, because then the failure of one Export Process has no impact on other exports. > This one exporting process can treat same data stream against multiple > collector. But, it can't treat different data stream against multiple > collector. Why do you say that? > In that case, exporting process should be separated. > Please comment, if it is wrong. I think it's possible. eg, in IPFIX-ARCH figure 4, I see the Exporting Process receiving data from multiple Metering Processes. And I can imagine the same Exporting Process sending packets to multiple collectors. > I believed that one exporting process is created per the export policy > of administrator, if this IPFIX device can create multiple exporting > processes. Perhaps. Or perhaps by a policy built into the system by the designer. Perhaps the adminsitrator does not even know or need to know how many seperate processes there actually are?! > I think that capability by one exporting process should be made more clear. I agree. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 29 12:31:56 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fkkeq-0003Es-0S for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:31:56 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fkkeo-0007uM-MO for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:31:55 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FkkaT-00029c-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:27:25 -0500 Received: from mx5.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.12.32]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FkkaR-00028s-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:27:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by mx5.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE91A11C; Mon, 29 May 2006 18:27:16 +0200 (MST) Received: from mx5.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx5 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25174-03; Mon, 29 May 2006 18:27:14 +0200 (DFT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (rouen.Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.De [134.2.11.152]) by mx5.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02CC8115; Mon, 29 May 2006 18:27:13 +0200 (MST) Message-ID: <447B20B0.8010706@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 18:26:24 +0200 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Aitken Cc: kobayashi atsushi , ipfix Subject: Re: [ipfix] multiple Exporting Processes in IPFIX-ARCH References: <447AD7D1.2070502@cisco.com> <20060529213341.ACB3.AKOBA@nttv6.net> <447B0870.5060906@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <447B0870.5060906@cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms040805000201040909090803" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new (McAfee AntiVirus) at informatik.uni-tuebingen.de Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 42e3ed3f10a1d8bef690f09da16f507a This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040805000201040909090803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul, Kobayashi, >> According to IPFIX-ARCH, I recognized that one exporting process can >> send same data stream to multiple collectors. And also, one exporting >> process seems to be able to send same data stream to multiple collecto= r >> using different transport protocol. >=20 > It's allowed by the architecture. >=20 > However, a simple exporter implimentation might only be able to connect > to one collector or speak one transport protocol - with the intention > that there would be multiple Export Processes, one for each protocol or > collector. >=20 > And that might be a good design, because then the failure of one Export > Process has no impact on other exports. >=20 >> This one exporting process can treat same data stream against multiple >> collector. But, it can't treat different data stream against multiple >> collector. >=20 > Why do you say that? >=20 >> In that case, exporting process should be separated. >> Please comment, if it is wrong. >=20 > I think it's possible. eg, in IPFIX-ARCH figure 4, I see the Exporting > Process receiving data from multiple Metering Processes. And I can > imagine the same Exporting Process sending packets to multiple collecto= rs. I assume Kobayashi thinks that in figure 4, all collectors receive the same records, i.e. the same data stream. Whereas two exporting processes would be necessary to send different sets of records to different collectors. This is also according to my understanding. >> I believed that one exporting process is created per the export policy >> of administrator, if this IPFIX device can create multiple exporting >> processes. >=20 > Perhaps. Or perhaps by a policy built into the system by the designer. > Perhaps the adminsitrator does not even know or need to know how many > seperate processes there actually are?! >=20 >> I think that capability by one exporting process should be made more >> clear.=20 >=20 > I agree. >=20 --=20 Dipl.-Ing. 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Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 18:39:03 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060501 Fedora/1.7.13-1.1.fc5 X-Accept-Language: en-gb, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gerhard Muenz CC: kobayashi atsushi , ipfix Subject: Re: [ipfix] multiple Exporting Processes in IPFIX-ARCH References: <447AD7D1.2070502@cisco.com> <20060529213341.ACB3.AKOBA@nttv6.net> <447B0870.5060906@cisco.com> <447B20B0.8010706@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> In-Reply-To: <447B20B0.8010706@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=1213; t=1148924348; x=1149788348; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:Re=3A=20[ipfix]=20multiple=20Exporting=20Processes=20in=20IPFIX-ARCH; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3DIpMYeDV/iR9l8+QLnpjoRtZwuJs=3D; b=IZbgNAHHyCGA4SyAtO/5EY8KbEuGHYMvNwR+CtyHFCP6l8IxGP5mW2DDlXpRAvFLsazc5sfq XmhvLr1MxSGySnaZlhsm2xNRnigmsoMSyP8fRsKWiugi4Nrvu/mXIoc+; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3.cisco.com; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com verified; ); Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d Gerhard, > I assume Kobayashi thinks that in figure 4, all collectors receive the > same records, i.e. the same data stream. Whereas two exporting processes > would be necessary to send different sets of records to different > collectors. That might be a common implimentation, but IPFIX neither requires nor mandates that. eg, section 5.5 of IPFIX-ARCH discusses: There may be additional rules defined within an Observation Domain so that only certain Flow Records are exported. This may be done by either one or a combination of Si, Fi, as described in the section on "Selection Criteria for Packets". It'd be straightforward to impliment a single Exporting Process capable of exporting to multiple collectors, which implimented independant sets of filters on each output stream as described. eg, export to 1.1.1.1 port 2222 match dst-addr 192.0.33.5 export to 3.3.3.3 port 4444 match dst-addr 192.0.11.30 sample 1 in 2 It would also be straighforward to impliment those rules as seperate Export Processes. IPFIX doesn't tell us what to do here; it's an implimentation choice. 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= ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C68345.6D843200-- From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 29 16:15:42 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fko9O-0006Hy-SW for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:15:42 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fko9M-0004MP-Fs for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:15:42 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FknrJ-00048x-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 29 May 2006 14:57:01 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FknrH-00045R-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 29 May 2006 14:56:59 -0500 Received: from [10.1.1.104] (HSI-KBW-085-216-002-068.hsi.kabelbw.de [85.216.2.68]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4368B1BAC4D for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 21:47:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:56:48 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: [ipfix] Proposal for collector IEs Message-ID: <8730AE3BCD6E5A5DF2559A3B@[192.168.1.130]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 22bbb45ef41b733eb2d03ee71ece8243 Dear all, I have a request for five new information elements: collectorIPv4Address collectorIPv6Address collectorProtocolVersion (IPFIX=10,NFv9=9,NFv5=5,...) collectorTransportProtocol (TCP,UDP,SCTP,...) collectorTransportPort Obviously, any collector will have this information when receiving a record, but when storing collected data in a big database, then we are storing also the collector that received the records. And then there is the question which format to use for storing this information. It seems to be a good choice to store the collector information in the same format as the exporter information. Therefore, I suggest adding them to our information model. At the same time, a need for these IEs occurred at another place. While working on a path-coupled configuration of meters, see draft-fessi-nsis-m-nslp-framework-02.txt draft-dressler-nsis-metering-nslp-03.txt, we are looking for a way to configure IPFIX meters. And before defining completely new data structures for this we consider using IPFIX messages with templates and option records for configuring them. These could be the same messages that are used by IPFIX devices for reporting their configuration to collectors. The only thing that is missing is the collector information. Below you will find the full specification of the proposed IEs. Any comments? Thanks, Juergen -- Juergen Quittek quittek@netlab.nec.de Tel: +49 6221 4342-115 NEC Europe Ltd., Network Laboratories Fax: +49 6221 4342-155 Kurfuersten-Anlage 36, 69115 Heidelberg, Germany http://www.netlab.nec.de 5.2.3. collectorIPv4Address Description: An IPv4 address to which the Exporting Process sends Flow information. Abstract Data Type: ipv4Address Data Type Semantics: identifier ElementId: 333 Status: current 5.2.4. collectorIPv6Address Description: An IPv6 address to which the Exporting Process sends Flow information. Abstract Data Type: ipv6Address Data Type Semantics: identifier ElementId: 334 Status: current 5.2.5. collectorProtocolVersion Description: The protocol version used by the Exporting Process for sending Flow information. For IPFIX, the value of the Version Number field in the message header is 10. For NetFlow version 9, the value of the Version Number field in the message header is 9. Abstract Data Type: unsigned8 Data Type Semantics: identifier ElementId: 335 Status: current Reference: See [I-D.ietf-ipfix-protocol] for the definition of the IPFIX Message header. See RFC 3954 [RFC3954] or the definition of the NetFlow version 9 Message header. 5.2.6. collectorTransportProtocol Description: The value of the protocol number in the IP packet header. The protocol number identifies the IP packet payload type. Protocol numbers are defined in the IANA Protocol Numbers registry. In Internet Protocol version 4 (IPv4) this is carried in the "Protocol" field. In Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) this is carried in the "Next Header" field in the last extension header of the packet. Abstract Data Type: unsigned8 Data Type Semantics: identifier ElementId: 4 Status: current Reference: See RFC 791 [RFC0791] for the specification of the IPv4 protocol field. See RFC 2460 [RFC2460] for the specification of the IPv6 protocol field. See the list of protocol numbers assigned by IANA at http://www.iana.org/assignments/protocol-numbers. 5.2.7. collectorTransportPort Description: The destination port identifier to which in the the Exporting Process sends Flow information. For the transport protocols UDP, TCP and SCTP this is the destination port number. This field MAY also be used for future transport protocols that have 16 bit source port identifiers. Abstract Data Type: unsigned16 Data Type Semantics: identifier ElementId: 336 Status: current Reference: See RFC 768 [RFC0768] for the definition of the UDP source port field. See RFC 793 [RFC0793] for the definition of the TCP source port field. See RFC 2960 [RFC2960] for the definition of SCTP. Additional information on defined UDP and TCP port numbers can be found at http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 29 16:36:21 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FkoTN-0004h9-RL for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:36:21 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FkoTN-0006ED-Pk for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:36:21 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FkoH7-00031T-Dv for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:23:44 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FkoDK-00050D-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 29 May 2006 15:19:46 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FkoDJ-000508-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 29 May 2006 15:19:45 -0500 Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 May 2006 13:19:44 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,184,1146466800"; d="scan'208"; a="284749637:sNHT30028356" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4TKJhdG010127; Mon, 29 May 2006 13:19:44 -0700 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k4TKJgLf005604; Mon, 29 May 2006 22:19:43 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [10.61.80.17] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4114.cisco.com [10.61.80.17]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA26715; Mon, 29 May 2006 21:19:41 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <447B575C.405@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:19:40 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060501 Fedora/1.7.13-1.1.fc5 X-Accept-Language: en-gb, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek CC: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] Proposal for collector IEs References: <8730AE3BCD6E5A5DF2559A3B@[192.168.1.130]> In-Reply-To: <8730AE3BCD6E5A5DF2559A3B@[192.168.1.130]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=365; t=1148933984; x=1149797984; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:Re=3A=20[ipfix]=20Proposal=20for=20collector=20IEs; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3Dadvjfu0t2Ezr48R0k4QjQ0HrexA=3D; b=fjHnFCph9/AfFUnJJMjXZSucZFbpLn6rVH9RnK/H7pQneSUEPMlxv+qFBtg6ZdWGiDyDgQeN isn2pAtP8XiyvHb2nUErUBp4wmN01ApCQ8Ym/qeu2KIAatcEtDX49qjG; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2.cisco.com; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com verified; ); Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Juergen, > I have a request for five new information elements: I approve, except for one point: If the collectorIPv6Address is a link-local address, then it may need to be further qualified with an interface. The same is true for the exporterIPv6Address IE, and for private IPv4 addresses. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 29 16:37:17 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FkoUH-0005MS-7Q for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:37:17 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FkoUF-0006Tl-Vy for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:37:17 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FkoQT-0005hZ-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 29 May 2006 15:33:21 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FkoQS-0005hU-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 29 May 2006 15:33:21 -0500 Received: from [10.1.1.104] (HSI-KBW-085-216-002-068.hsi.kabelbw.de [85.216.2.68]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8741BAC4D; Mon, 29 May 2006 22:24:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 22:33:15 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: Paul Aitken Cc: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] Proposal for collector IEs Message-ID: <52B361C4A8BA8DDD68BAE80E@[192.168.1.130]> In-Reply-To: <447B575C.405@cisco.com> References: <8730AE3BCD6E5A5DF2559A3B@[192.168.1.130]> <447B575C.405@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Paul, Do I get you right, that you ask for one more IE called collectorEgressInterface containing an ifIndex value? Thanks, Juergen --On 29.05.2006 21:19 Uhr +0100 Paul Aitken wrote: > Juergen, > >> I have a request for five new information elements: > > I approve, except for one point: > > If the collectorIPv6Address is a link-local address, then it may need to be further qualified with an interface. The same is true for the exporterIPv6Address IE, and for private IPv4 addresses. > > -- > Paul Aitken > Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 29 17:02:36 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fkosm-0005vk-5X for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 17:02:36 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fkosk-0002Gy-Tu for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 17:02:36 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FkooX-00078v-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 29 May 2006 15:58:13 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FkooX-00078q-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 29 May 2006 15:58:13 -0500 Received: from [10.1.1.104] (HSI-KBW-085-216-002-068.hsi.kabelbw.de [85.216.2.68]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEBF1BAC4D; Mon, 29 May 2006 22:49:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 22:58:11 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: Paul Aitken Cc: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] Proposal for collector IEs Message-ID: <247EF8F220D0D802539EA164@[192.168.1.130]> In-Reply-To: <447B5D19.9010102@cisco.com> References: <8730AE3BCD6E5A5DF2559A3B@[192.168.1.130]> <447B575C.405@cisco.com> <52B361C4A8BA8DDD68BAE80E@[192.168.1.130]> <447B5D19.9010102@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Paul, --On 29.05.2006 21:44 Uhr +0100 Paul Aitken wrote: > Juergen, > >> Do I get you right, that you ask for one more IE >> called collectorEgressInterface containing an ifIndex >> value? > > Yes, I think it would be useful for the cases I described. Would this specification be fine? 5.2.5. collectorInterface Description: The index of the IP interface where the Exporting Process sends Flow information. The value matches the value of managed object 'ifIndex' as defined in RFC 2863 [RFC2863]. Note that ifIndex values are not assigned statically to an interface. Interfaces may be renumbered every time the device's management system is re- initialized. Abstract Data Type: unsigned32 Data Type Semantics: identifier ElementId: 335 Status: current Reference: See RFC 2863 [RFC2863] for the definition of the ifIndex object. Thanks, Juergen -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 29 17:04:42 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fkouo-0006Yh-4e for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 17:04:42 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fkouo-0002Iu-3L for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 17:04:42 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fkog5-0003Hw-0K for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:49:30 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fkoaz-0006Pj-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 29 May 2006 15:44:13 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fkoay-0006Pc-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 29 May 2006 15:44:12 -0500 Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 May 2006 13:44:12 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,184,1146466800"; d="scan'208"; a="429166354:sNHT28741426" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4TKiBXg020111; Mon, 29 May 2006 13:44:11 -0700 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k4TKiALf008800; Mon, 29 May 2006 22:44:10 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [10.61.80.17] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4114.cisco.com [10.61.80.17]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA28152; Mon, 29 May 2006 21:44:09 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <447B5D19.9010102@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:44:09 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060501 Fedora/1.7.13-1.1.fc5 X-Accept-Language: en-gb, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek CC: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] Proposal for collector IEs References: <8730AE3BCD6E5A5DF2559A3B@[192.168.1.130]> <447B575C.405@cisco.com> <52B361C4A8BA8DDD68BAE80E@[192.168.1.130]> In-Reply-To: <52B361C4A8BA8DDD68BAE80E@[192.168.1.130]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=254; t=1148935452; x=1149799452; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:Re=3A=20[ipfix]=20Proposal=20for=20collector=20IEs; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3Dadvjfu0t2Ezr48R0k4QjQ0HrexA=3D; b=qSswJoo2TsQAZATCWzkRjdL4mLi0LpTt0qYa3l+KhMuSf21XSi0J9fujhECg8rMrGqSN5TSg k/CWR2JT1lx5FnCvfVlMUnLgCgDyJfMqLbwOYRjXXbHPA9QRvwO7yM8G; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3.cisco.com; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com verified; ); Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Juergen, > Do I get you right, that you ask for one more IE > called collectorEgressInterface containing an ifIndex > value? Yes, I think it would be useful for the cases I described. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Mon May 29 17:19:43 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fkp9L-0001Md-7E for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 17:19:43 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fkp9I-0002qm-Tf for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 17:19:43 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fkp03-0007OY-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:10:07 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fkp02-0007OR-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:10:06 -0500 Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 May 2006 14:10:05 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,184,1146466800"; d="scan'208"; a="1814852971:sNHT34344192" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4TLA45U011557; Mon, 29 May 2006 14:10:05 -0700 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k4TLA3Lf011855; Mon, 29 May 2006 23:10:04 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [10.61.80.17] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4114.cisco.com [10.61.80.17]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA29555; Mon, 29 May 2006 22:10:02 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <447B632A.9080107@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 22:10:02 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060501 Fedora/1.7.13-1.1.fc5 X-Accept-Language: en-gb, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek CC: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] Proposal for collector IEs References: <8730AE3BCD6E5A5DF2559A3B@[192.168.1.130]> <447B575C.405@cisco.com> <52B361C4A8BA8DDD68BAE80E@[192.168.1.130]> <447B5D19.9010102@cisco.com> <247EF8F220D0D802539EA164@[192.168.1.130]> In-Reply-To: <247EF8F220D0D802539EA164@[192.168.1.130]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=994; t=1148937005; x=1149801005; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim1001; h=From:Subject; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:Re=3A=20[ipfix]=20Proposal=20for=20collector=20IEs; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3D7lsp636W4U40sm0sIA4rsvGg7N4=3D; b=KKXOZERKyAhiCytUZccfGjOg+Vth1VPGQKfd/V0UwQxszdD582sJm2uXvEHAnbR6A9bz714P WyVaL9cwoGO/GttDpAl1aj2LWw21jxvkKvWxukO+5cJYWqYIi+J82PFl; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1.cisco.com; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com verified; ); Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Juergen, > Would this specification be fine? Very good - except that I object to the "RFC 2863 [RFC2863]" style because the "[RFC2863]" style has already been used extensively through the IPFIX docs and is far more readable. Thanks. > 5.2.5. collectorInterface > > Description: > The index of the IP interface where the Exporting Process sends > Flow information. The value matches the value of managed object > 'ifIndex' as defined in RFC 2863 [RFC2863]. Note that ifIndex > values are not assigned statically to an interface. Interfaces > may be renumbered every time the device's management system is re- > initialized. > Abstract Data Type: unsigned32 > Data Type Semantics: identifier > ElementId: 335 > Status: current > Reference: See RFC 2863 [RFC2863] for the definition of the ifIndex > object. > > > Thanks, > > Juergen > -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 30 03:41:41 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FkyrF-0006Lt-SQ for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 03:41:41 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FkyrD-00041k-JV for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 03:41:41 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fkym2-00063r-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 02:36:18 -0500 Received: from mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de ([193.174.154.14]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fkym1-00063m-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 02:36:17 -0500 Received: from [10.147.65.153] (luz@kaitos [10.147.65.153]) by mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k4U7aFn12041; Tue, 30 May 2006 09:36:15 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <447BF5EE.9000702@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 09:36:14 +0200 From: Lutz Mark User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060130) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek CC: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] Proposal for collector IEs References: <8730AE3BCD6E5A5DF2559A3B@[192.168.1.130]> In-Reply-To: <8730AE3BCD6E5A5DF2559A3B@[192.168.1.130]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 Hi Juergen, > I have a request for five new information elements: good idea. I think there is a typo in reference text. Regards, Lutz > 5.2.7. collectorTransportPort > > Description: > The destination port identifier to which in the the Exporting > Process sends Flow information. For the transport protocols UDP, > TCP and SCTP this is the destination port number. This field MAY > also be used for future transport protocols that have 16 bit > source port identifiers. > Abstract Data Type: unsigned16 > Data Type Semantics: identifier > ElementId: 336 > Status: current > Reference: > See RFC 768 [RFC0768] for the definition of the UDP source port > field. See RFC 793 [RFC0793] for the definition of the TCP source See RFC 768 [RFC0768] for the definition of the UDP _destination_ port field. See RFC 793 [RFC0793] for the definition of the TCP _destination_ > port field. See RFC 2960 [RFC2960] for the definition of SCTP. > Additional information on defined UDP and TCP port numbers can be > found at http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 30 03:43:34 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fkyt4-0007IF-Ew for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 03:43:34 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fkyt3-0004B6-5d for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 03:43:34 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FkypJ-0006T1-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 02:39:41 -0500 Received: from mail.nttv6.net ([192.68.245.115]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FkypI-0006SD-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 02:39:40 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dhcp-3-107.nttv6.com [192.47.163.107]) by mail.nttv6.net (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k4U7dEBD026559; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:39:15 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from akoba@nttv6.net) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 16:39:16 +0900 From: kobayashi atsushi To: Paul Aitken Subject: Re[2]: [ipfix] multiple Exporting Processes in IPFIX-ARCH Cc: Gerhard Muenz , ipfix In-Reply-To: <447B31B7.803@cisco.com> References: <447B20B0.8010706@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <447B31B7.803@cisco.com> Message-Id: <20060530142410.3278.AKOBA@nttv6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.12.01 [ja] Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d185fa790257f526fedfd5d01ed9c976 Dear Paul and Gerhard, I considered what Gerhard has said. The Exporting Process seems not to have filter function on record. Therefore, single Exporting Process receives records from multiple Metering Processes, and it sends same records to multiple Collection Processes. Exporting Process seems not to be able to handle different datastream against multiple Collection Processes. Certainly, IPFIX neither requires nor mandates that, but, it can be considered like above. In section 5.5, a combination of Si, Fi is one function of the Metering process. I wonder that this description is depicted in section 5.5. According to this example, single or more than one exporting processes receives flow records multiple metering processes that have different rules. In that case, whichever single or two is sufficient to IPFIX. Which a implementation choice or a configuration choice of policy is? Is it clearly implementation choice? I think that it should made more clear. Regards, Atsushi KOBAYASHI On Mon, 29 May 2006 18:39:03 +0100 Paul Aitken wrote: > Gerhard, > > > I assume Kobayashi thinks that in figure 4, all collectors receive the > > same records, i.e. the same data stream. Whereas two exporting processes > > would be necessary to send different sets of records to different > > collectors. > > That might be a common implimentation, but IPFIX neither requires nor > mandates that. > > eg, section 5.5 of IPFIX-ARCH discusses: > > There may be additional rules defined within an Observation Domain so > that only certain Flow Records are exported. This may be done by > either one or a combination of Si, Fi, as described in the section on > "Selection Criteria for Packets". > > It'd be straightforward to impliment a single Exporting Process capable > of exporting to multiple collectors, which implimented independant sets > of filters on each output stream as described. > > eg, export to 1.1.1.1 port 2222 match dst-addr 192.0.33.5 > export to 3.3.3.3 port 4444 match dst-addr 192.0.11.30 sample 1 in 2 > > It would also be straighforward to impliment those rules as seperate > Export Processes. > > IPFIX doesn't tell us what to do here; it's an implimentation choice. > > Cheers. > -- > Paul Aitken > Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. > > -- > Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body > Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say > "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body > Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ --- Atsushi KOBAYASHI NTT Information Sharing Platform Lab. tel:+81-(0)422-59-3978 fax:+81-(0)422-59-5652 -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 30 04:06:59 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FkzFj-0007I6-14 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 04:06:59 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FkzFh-0006Hc-P7 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 04:06:59 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fkz9t-0007lH-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 03:00:57 -0500 Received: from mail.nttv6.net ([192.68.245.115]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fkz9s-0007lC-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 03:00:56 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dhcp-3-107.nttv6.com [192.47.163.107]) by mail.nttv6.net (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k4U80sQw026730; Tue, 30 May 2006 17:00:55 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from akoba@nttv6.net) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:00:55 +0900 From: kobayashi atsushi To: Paul Aitken Subject: Re[2]: [ipfix] multiple Exporting Processes in IPFIX-ARCH Cc: ipfix In-Reply-To: <447B0870.5060906@cisco.com> References: <20060529213341.ACB3.AKOBA@nttv6.net> <447B0870.5060906@cisco.com> Message-Id: <20060530164407.327B.AKOBA@nttv6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.12.01 [ja] Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 Dear Paul, I'm sorry for not enough. I mean that the relationship between Metering process and Exporting process is configured by policy of administrator. Certainly, administrator does not need to know about how many processes. But, when administrator wants to apply new export policy, Exporting process is likely to be created and be linked with Metering process , after configuration. Regards, Atsushi KOBAYASHI On Mon, 29 May 2006 15:42:56 +0100 Paul Aitken wrote: > > I believed that one exporting process is created per the export policy > > of administrator, if this IPFIX device can create multiple exporting > > processes. > > Perhaps. Or perhaps by a policy built into the system by the designer. > Perhaps the adminsitrator does not even know or need to know how many > seperate processes there actually are?! --- Atsushi KOBAYASHI NTT Information Sharing Platform Lab. tel:+81-(0)422-59-3978 fax:+81-(0)422-59-5652 -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 30 04:17:18 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FkzPi-0000nn-I1 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 04:17:18 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FkzPe-00070Y-10 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 04:17:18 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FkzKz-0000UV-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 03:12:25 -0500 Received: from mx5.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.12.32]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FkzKx-0000UO-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 03:12:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by mx5.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E34CD11B; Tue, 30 May 2006 10:12:21 +0200 (MST) Received: from mx3.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.12.26]) by localhost (mx5 [134.2.12.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17608-01; Tue, 30 May 2006 10:12:12 +0200 (DFT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (rouen.Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.De [134.2.11.152]) by mx3.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C7DA144; Tue, 30 May 2006 10:12:08 +0200 (DFT) Message-ID: <447BFE25.4020804@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 10:11:17 +0200 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kobayashi atsushi Cc: Paul Aitken , ipfix Subject: Re: [ipfix] multiple Exporting Processes in IPFIX-ARCH References: <447B20B0.8010706@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <447B31B7.803@cisco.com> <20060530142410.3278.AKOBA@nttv6.net> In-Reply-To: <20060530142410.3278.AKOBA@nttv6.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms030904010902030001040002" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new (McAfee AntiVirus) at informatik.uni-tuebingen.de Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 311e798ce51dbeacf5cdfcc8e9fda21b This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030904010902030001040002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kobayashi, Paul, The current text in 5.5 does not explicitly allow different "additional rules" for different collectors (nor prohibits such an implementation). I think the motiviation for this discussion is to determine where to locate filtering/sampling parameters within a MIB module. The MIB module will always be an abstraction of the actual implementation, i.e. the borders between different processes can be drawn differently or disappear in the implementation. The MIB module is to provide a coherent view on the IPFIX device and it should be possible to describe any possible state and configuration. On the other hand, it should not be possible to describe the same state/configuration in many different ways. Hence, in a MIB module, it could be better to assign sampling/filtering parameters to the metering processes only and use different exporting processes for different data streams. Regards, Gerhard kobayashi atsushi wrote: > Dear Paul and Gerhard, >=20 > I considered what Gerhard has said. > The Exporting Process seems not to have filter function on record. Ther= efore, > single Exporting Process receives records from multiple Metering > Processes, and it sends same records to multiple Collection Processes. > Exporting Process seems not to be able to handle different datastream > against multiple Collection Processes. >=20 > Certainly, IPFIX neither requires nor mandates that, but, it can be con= sidered > like above. >=20 > In section 5.5, a combination of Si, Fi is one function of the Metering= process. > I wonder that this description is depicted in section 5.5. > According to this example, single or more than one exporting processes = receives > flow records multiple metering processes that have different rules. >=20 > In that case, whichever single or two is sufficient to IPFIX. > Which a implementation choice or a configuration choice of policy is? > Is it clearly implementation choice? I think that it should made more > clear. >=20 > Regards, > Atsushi KOBAYASHI >=20 > On Mon, 29 May 2006 18:39:03 +0100 > Paul Aitken wrote: >=20 >> Gerhard, >> >>> I assume Kobayashi thinks that in figure 4, all collectors receive th= e >>> same records, i.e. the same data stream. Whereas two exporting proces= ses >>> would be necessary to send different sets of records to different >>> collectors. >> That might be a common implimentation, but IPFIX neither requires nor=20 >> mandates that. >> >> eg, section 5.5 of IPFIX-ARCH discusses: >> >> There may be additional rules defined within an Observation Domain= so >> that only certain Flow Records are exported. This may be done by >> either one or a combination of Si, Fi, as described in the section= on >> "Selection Criteria for Packets". >> >> It'd be straightforward to impliment a single Exporting Process capabl= e=20 >> of exporting to multiple collectors, which implimented independant set= s=20 >> of filters on each output stream as described. >> >> eg, export to 1.1.1.1 port 2222 match dst-addr 192.0.33.5 >> export to 3.3.3.3 port 4444 match dst-addr 192.0.11.30 sample 1 = in 2 >> >> It would also be straighforward to impliment those rules as seperate=20 >> Export Processes. >> >> IPFIX doesn't tell us what to do here; it's an implimentation choice. >> >> Cheers. >> --=20 >> Paul Aitken >> Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. >> >> -- >> Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in messa= ge body >> Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say >> "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body >> Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ >=20 > ---=20 > Atsushi KOBAYASHI > NTT Information Sharing Platform Lab. > tel:+81-(0)422-59-3978 fax:+81-(0)422-59-5652 >=20 --=20 Dipl.-Ing. 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Tue, 30 May 2006 09:43:21 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <447C05A9.4010208@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 09:43:21 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060501 Fedora/1.7.13-1.1.fc5 X-Accept-Language: en-gb, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek CC: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] Proposal for collector IEs References: <8730AE3BCD6E5A5DF2559A3B@[192.168.1.130]> In-Reply-To: <8730AE3BCD6E5A5DF2559A3B@[192.168.1.130]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=1743; t=1148978605; x=1149842605; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim1001; h=From:Subject; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:Re=3A=20[ipfix]=20Proposal=20for=20collector=20IEs; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3D7lsp636W4U40sm0sIA4rsvGg7N4=3D; b=AyLpplmF441hNHTsBNZbHsy/A+0DsMSKWwtK+AmsGBI7TSAItMOHOR/zQc09x2fHhV5Yybpk pDhffoin2/lq4IzL23bif2mRuEn7o/9h/w7MTRM5I648wHOsPVk98Qq2; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1.cisco.com; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com verified; ); Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 082a9cbf4d599f360ac7f815372a6a15 Juergen, > I have a request for five new information elements: > > collectorIPv4Address > collectorIPv6Address > collectorProtocolVersion (IPFIX=10,NFv9=9,NFv5=5,...) > collectorTransportProtocol (TCP,UDP,SCTP,...) > collectorTransportPort > At the same time, a need for these IEs occurred at > another place. While working on a path-coupled > configuration of meters, see > draft-fessi-nsis-m-nslp-framework-02.txt > draft-dressler-nsis-metering-nslp-03.txt, > we are looking for a way to configure IPFIX meters. I woke up during the night because I realised that you don't have any way to *unconfigure* a meter. The elements above are enough to create and perhaps to change a meter, but not enough to delete a meter. So I propose that collectorProtocolVersion of 0 be defined to mean "no export protocol", with the special effect of deconfiguring any exporter matching the other given IEs in the same message. Further, the less specific the message is, the more exporters may be deconfigured. eg, { collectorProtocolVersion = 0, collectorIPv4Address = 192.168.1.1, collectorTransportPort = 1234 } would deconfigure all exporters sending to port 1234 at address 192.168.1.1. { collectorProtocolVersion = 0, collectorTransportProtocol = SCTP } would deconfigure all exporters using SCTP. And in the extreme case, { collectorProtocolVersion = 0 } would deconfigure all exporters. Obviously there are security implications of a third party being able to configure new export destinations (eg, to snoop on traffic) and deconfigure existing ones (eg, to prevent billing). Cheers. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 30 05:32:05 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl0a5-0003np-BB for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 05:32:05 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl0a3-0005oE-2U for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 05:32:05 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl0Vh-00045J-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 04:27:33 -0500 Received: from odd-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.119] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl0Vg-00045E-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 04:27:32 -0500 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k4U9RVQ00272; Tue, 30 May 2006 11:27:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.61.64.105] (ams3-vpn-dhcp105.cisco.com [10.61.64.105]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k4U9RUC00169; Tue, 30 May 2006 11:27:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <447C1002.3040705@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:27:30 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek CC: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] Proposal for collector IEs References: <8730AE3BCD6E5A5DF2559A3B@[192.168.1.130]> In-Reply-To: <8730AE3BCD6E5A5DF2559A3B@[192.168.1.130]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 Juergen, Considering the comments given on the mailing list already, this is a nice idea. Regards, Benoit. > Dear all, > > I have a request for five new information elements: > > collectorIPv4Address > collectorIPv6Address > collectorProtocolVersion (IPFIX=10,NFv9=9,NFv5=5,...) > collectorTransportProtocol (TCP,UDP,SCTP,...) > collectorTransportPort > > Obviously, any collector will have this information > when receiving a record, but when storing collected > data in a big database, then we are storing also the > collector that received the records. And then there > is the question which format to use for storing this > information. It seems to be a good choice to store > the collector information in the same format as the > exporter information. Therefore, I suggest adding > them to our information model. > > At the same time, a need for these IEs occurred at > another place. While working on a path-coupled > configuration of meters, see > draft-fessi-nsis-m-nslp-framework-02.txt > draft-dressler-nsis-metering-nslp-03.txt, > we are looking for a way to configure IPFIX meters. > And before defining completely new data structures > for this we consider using IPFIX messages with > templates and option records for configuring them. > These could be the same messages that are used > by IPFIX devices for reporting their configuration > to collectors. The only thing that is missing is > the collector information. > > Below you will find the full specification of the > proposed IEs. > > Any comments? > > Thanks, > > Juergen -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 30 06:30:05 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl1UD-0005ev-HP for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 06:30:05 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl1UC-0003Jj-7t for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 06:30:05 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl1Lp-0007KV-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 05:21:25 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl1Lo-0007KQ-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 05:21:24 -0500 Received: from [10.1.1.104] (mito.netlab.nec.de [195.37.70.39]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B0641BAC4D; Tue, 30 May 2006 12:12:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 12:21:20 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: Lutz Mark Cc: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] Proposal for collector IEs Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <447BF5EE.9000702@fokus.fraunhofer.de> References: <8730AE3BCD6E5A5DF2559A3B@[192.168.1.130]> <447BF5EE.9000702@fokus.fraunhofer.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 538aad3a3c4f01d8b6a6477ca4248793 Lutz, --On 30.05.2006 9:36 Uhr +0200 Lutz Mark wrote: > > Hi Juergen, > > > I have a request for five new information elements: > > good idea. > > I think there is a typo in reference text. > > Regards, > Lutz > > > 5.2.7. collectorTransportPort > > > > Description: > > The destination port identifier to which in the the Exporting > > Process sends Flow information. For the transport protocols UDP, > > TCP and SCTP this is the destination port number. This field MAY > > also be used for future transport protocols that have 16 bit > > source port identifiers. > > Abstract Data Type: unsigned16 > > Data Type Semantics: identifier > > ElementId: 336 > > Status: current > > Reference: > > See RFC 768 [RFC0768] for the definition of the UDP source port > > field. See RFC 793 [RFC0793] for the definition of the TCP source > > See RFC 768 [RFC0768] for the definition of the UDP _destination_ port > field. See RFC 793 [RFC0793] for the definition of the TCP _destination_ Fixed. Thanks you, Juergen > > port field. See RFC 2960 [RFC2960] for the definition of SCTP. > > Additional information on defined UDP and TCP port numbers can be > > found at http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers. > > -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 30 06:33:58 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl1Xy-0006dz-Py for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 06:33:58 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl1Xx-00041a-Gh for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 06:33:58 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl1U5-0007Pw-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 05:29:57 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl1U4-0007Pl-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 05:29:56 -0500 Received: from [10.1.1.104] (mito.netlab.nec.de [195.37.70.39]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F17B1BAC4D; Tue, 30 May 2006 12:20:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 12:29:52 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: Paul Aitken Cc: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] Proposal for collector IEs Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <447C05A9.4010208@cisco.com> References: <8730AE3BCD6E5A5DF2559A3B@[192.168.1.130]> <447C05A9.4010208@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 Paul, --On 30.05.2006 9:43 Uhr +0100 Paul Aitken wrote: > Juergen, > >> I have a request for five new information elements: >> >> collectorIPv4Address >> collectorIPv6Address >> collectorProtocolVersion (IPFIX=10,NFv9=9,NFv5=5,...) >> collectorTransportProtocol (TCP,UDP,SCTP,...) >> collectorTransportPort > >> At the same time, a need for these IEs occurred at >> another place. While working on a path-coupled >> configuration of meters, see >> draft-fessi-nsis-m-nslp-framework-02.txt >> draft-dressler-nsis-metering-nslp-03.txt, >> we are looking for a way to configure IPFIX meters. > > I woke up during the night because I realised that > you don't have any way to *unconfigure* a meter. > The elements above are enough to create and perhaps > to change a meter, but not enough to delete a meter. I hope you will sleep better tonight :-) > So I propose that collectorProtocolVersion of 0 be defined > to mean "no export protocol", with the special effect of > deconfiguring any exporter matching the other given IEs in > the same message. > > Further, the less specific the message is, the more exporters > may be deconfigured. > > eg, { collectorProtocolVersion = 0, > collectorIPv4Address = 192.168.1.1, > collectorTransportPort = 1234 } > > would deconfigure all exporters sending to port 1234 at address > 192.168.1.1. > > > { collectorProtocolVersion = 0, > collectorTransportProtocol = SCTP } > > would deconfigure all exporters using SCTP. > > > And in the extreme case, > > { collectorProtocolVersion = 0 } > > would deconfigure all exporters. > > > Obviously there are security implications of a third party being able > to configure new export destinations (eg, to snoop on traffic) and > deconfigure existing ones (eg, to prevent billing). I am not sure we want to document all of this in the IE specification. Would the following be fine with you or would you like to see more details? 5.2.6. collectorProtocolVersion Description: The protocol version used by the Exporting Process for sending Flow information. For IPFIX, the value of the Version Number field in the message header is 10. For NetFlow version 9, the value of the Version Number field in the message header is 9. A value of 0 indicates that no export protocol is in use. Abstract Data Type: unsigned8 Data Type Semantics: identifier Thanks, Juergen -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 30 07:01:18 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl1yQ-0007n0-US for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 07:01:18 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl1yP-0006BJ-Ji for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 07:01:18 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl1tw-0001De-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 05:56:40 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl1tv-0001DZ-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 05:56:39 -0500 Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 May 2006 03:56:39 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,189,1146466800"; d="scan'208"; a="429224718:sNHT32153136" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4UAubIW018613; Tue, 30 May 2006 03:56:38 -0700 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k4UAuaLf006077; Tue, 30 May 2006 12:56:37 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [10.61.81.14] (ams3-vpn-dhcp4367.cisco.com [10.61.81.14]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27239; Tue, 30 May 2006 11:56:35 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <447C24E2.2050602@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:56:34 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060501 Fedora/1.7.13-1.1.fc5 X-Accept-Language: en-gb, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek CC: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] Proposal for collector IEs References: <8730AE3BCD6E5A5DF2559A3B@[192.168.1.130]> <447C05A9.4010208@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=2927; t=1148986598; x=1149850598; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:Re=3A=20[ipfix]=20Proposal=20for=20collector=20IEs; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3Dadvjfu0t2Ezr48R0k4QjQ0HrexA=3D; b=mcEx07i/YParV21m2LWzczgXc+FjgltgQy9qpSPH9EWOh/Wq8pK4MJv7Fd0b5/tZSXAszG4P LNYKW+BdJH1+BuBnkucfe0q0/J5Wysj9UdrpeAtmXCVByIYv74KC9n8c; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3.cisco.com; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com verified; ); Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 14582b0692e7f70ce7111d04db3781c8 Juergen, >> I woke up during the night because I realised that >> you don't have any way to *unconfigure* a meter. >> The elements above are enough to create and perhaps >> to change a meter, but not enough to delete a meter. > > I hope you will sleep better tonight :-) Hopefully! In this case I woke with the idea clearly in my mind at 1.25am - which was only 20 minutes after I got to sleep... >> So I propose that collectorProtocolVersion of 0 be defined >> to mean "no export protocol", with the special effect of >> deconfiguring any exporter matching the other given IEs in >> the same message. >> >> Further, the less specific the message is, the more exporters >> may be deconfigured. >> >> eg, { collectorProtocolVersion = 0, >> collectorIPv4Address = 192.168.1.1, >> collectorTransportPort = 1234 } >> >> would deconfigure all exporters sending to port 1234 at address >> 192.168.1.1. >> >> >> { collectorProtocolVersion = 0, >> collectorTransportProtocol = SCTP } >> >> would deconfigure all exporters using SCTP. >> >> >> And in the extreme case, >> >> { collectorProtocolVersion = 0 } >> >> would deconfigure all exporters. >> >> >> Obviously there are security implications of a third party being able >> to configure new export destinations (eg, to snoop on traffic) and >> deconfigure existing ones (eg, to prevent billing). > > > I am not sure we want to document all of this in the IE specification. Sure - but the clear definition of protocol version zero is a necessary prerequisite for all of the above. I'd expect the information above to appear in some new draft(s) which discuss the configuration of IPFIX exporters, since configuration isn't something that any of the IPFIX drafts discuss today. > Would the following be fine with you or would you like to see > more details? Please see below. > 5.2.6. collectorProtocolVersion > > Description: > The protocol version used by the Exporting Process for sending > Flow information. For IPFIX, the value of the Version Number > field in the message header is 10. For NetFlow version 9, the > value of the Version Number field in the message header is 9. A > value of 0 indicates that no export protocol is in use. > Abstract Data Type: unsigned8 > Data Type Semantics: identifier First it discusses the "protocol version", but suddenly switches to "the value of the Version Number field". So I would propose: The protocol version used by the Exporting Process for sending Flow information, ie the value of the Version Number field in the message header. The protocol version is 10 for IPFIX and 9 for NetFlow version 9. A value of 0 indicates that no export protocol is in use. Thanks. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 30 07:13:08 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl29s-0003De-Dc for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 07:13:08 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl29q-0006ug-5n for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 07:13:08 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl25v-0002XD-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 06:09:03 -0500 Received: from mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de ([193.174.154.14]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl25u-0002X7-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 06:09:02 -0500 Received: from [10.147.65.153] (luz@kaitos [10.147.65.153]) by mailhub.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k4UB8wn16126; Tue, 30 May 2006 13:08:58 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <447C27CA.7060805@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 13:08:58 +0200 From: Lutz Mark User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060130) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Aitken CC: Juergen Quittek , ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] Proposal for collector IEs References: <8730AE3BCD6E5A5DF2559A3B@[192.168.1.130]> <447C05A9.4010208@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <447C05A9.4010208@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 > I woke up during the night because I realised that you don't have any > way to *unconfigure* a meter. The elements above are enough to create > and perhaps to change a meter, but not enough to delete a meter. > > So I propose that collectorProtocolVersion of 0 be defined to mean "no > export protocol", with the special effect of deconfiguring any exporter > matching the other given IEs in the same message. an alternative solution would be to assign a life-time to the metering session and to set the life-time to zero to unconfigure the metering. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 30 07:45:12 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl2eu-0005fX-L6 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 07:45:12 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl2et-0000wv-Bb for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 07:45:12 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl2Z3-0003to-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 06:39:09 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl2Z1-0003sz-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 06:39:07 -0500 Received: from [10.1.1.104] (mito.netlab.nec.de [195.37.70.39]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4CE31BAC4D; Tue, 30 May 2006 13:29:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 13:39:04 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: Paul Aitken Cc: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] Proposal for collector IEs Message-ID: <21BC9C0DBD21D746F1798DDD@[192.168.1.130]> In-Reply-To: <447C24E2.2050602@cisco.com> References: <8730AE3BCD6E5A5DF2559A3B@[192.168.1.130]> <447C05A9.4010208@cisco.com> <447C24E2.2050602@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 057ebe9b96adec30a7efb2aeda4c26a4 Paul, --On 30.05.2006 11:56 Uhr +0100 Paul Aitken wrote: > Juergen, > >>> I woke up during the night because I realised that >>> you don't have any way to *unconfigure* a meter. >>> The elements above are enough to create and perhaps >>> to change a meter, but not enough to delete a meter. >> >> I hope you will sleep better tonight :-) > > Hopefully! In this case I woke with the idea clearly in my mind at 1.25am - which was only 20 minutes after I got to sleep... > > >>> So I propose that collectorProtocolVersion of 0 be defined >>> to mean "no export protocol", with the special effect of >>> deconfiguring any exporter matching the other given IEs in >>> the same message. >>> >>> Further, the less specific the message is, the more exporters >>> may be deconfigured. >>> >>> eg, { collectorProtocolVersion = 0, >>> collectorIPv4Address = 192.168.1.1, >>> collectorTransportPort = 1234 } >>> >>> would deconfigure all exporters sending to port 1234 at address >>> 192.168.1.1. >>> >>> >>> { collectorProtocolVersion = 0, >>> collectorTransportProtocol = SCTP } >>> >>> would deconfigure all exporters using SCTP. >>> >>> >>> And in the extreme case, >>> >>> { collectorProtocolVersion = 0 } >>> >>> would deconfigure all exporters. >>> >>> >>> Obviously there are security implications of a third party being able >>> to configure new export destinations (eg, to snoop on traffic) and >>> deconfigure existing ones (eg, to prevent billing). >> >> >> I am not sure we want to document all of this in the IE specification. > > Sure - but the clear definition of protocol version zero is a necessary > prerequisite for all of the above. > > I'd expect the information above to appear in some new draft(s) which > discuss the configuration of IPFIX exporters, since configuration isn't > something that any of the IPFIX drafts discuss today. > > >> Would the following be fine with you or would you like to see >> more details? > > Please see below. > > >> 5.2.6. collectorProtocolVersion >> >> Description: >> The protocol version used by the Exporting Process for sending >> Flow information. For IPFIX, the value of the Version Number >> field in the message header is 10. For NetFlow version 9, the >> value of the Version Number field in the message header is 9. A >> value of 0 indicates that no export protocol is in use. >> Abstract Data Type: unsigned8 >> Data Type Semantics: identifier > > First it discusses the "protocol version", but suddenly switches to "the value of the Version Number field". > > So I would propose: > > The protocol version used by the Exporting Process for sending > Flow information, ie the value of the Version Number field in > the message header. > > The protocol version is 10 for IPFIX and 9 for NetFlow version 9. > A value of 0 indicates that no export protocol is in use. Fine. Juergen > Thanks. > -- > Paul Aitken > Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 30 07:49:36 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl2jA-0007Ds-8m for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 07:49:36 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl2j8-0001WV-Lc for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 07:49:36 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl2f0-0004C2-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 06:45:18 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl2ez-0004Bx-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 06:45:17 -0500 Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 May 2006 04:45:12 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,189,1146466800"; d="scan'208"; a="1815180013:sNHT31713088" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4UBjBK6029984; Tue, 30 May 2006 04:45:11 -0700 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k4UBjALf020126; Tue, 30 May 2006 13:45:10 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [10.58.48.26] ([10.58.48.26]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02049; Tue, 30 May 2006 12:45:09 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <447C3042.9050009@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 12:45:06 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060501 Fedora/1.7.13-1.1.fc5 X-Accept-Language: en-gb, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lutz Mark CC: Juergen Quittek , ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] Proposal for collector IEs References: <8730AE3BCD6E5A5DF2559A3B@[192.168.1.130]> <447C05A9.4010208@cisco.com> <447C27CA.7060805@fokus.fraunhofer.de> In-Reply-To: <447C27CA.7060805@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=716; t=1148989511; x=1149853511; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:Re=3A=20[ipfix]=20Proposal=20for=20collector=20IEs; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3Dadvjfu0t2Ezr48R0k4QjQ0HrexA=3D; b=EhTQEg+OCeq5bCbcyRxCQOG9Uui2b6y6jc+xjWAxMmXVHvNHqNUV7B5DIZyFO4Ltrf2T5lVw g/peVuGzseCsuDjzNBp5Vd2U2r5tfSUdg5hKQnApF7iOk5DY+67Uu7Pu; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2.cisco.com; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com verified; ); Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Lutz, > an alternative solution would be to assign a life-time > to the metering session and to set the life-time to zero > to unconfigure the metering. It's not good to have two different ways of doing things. So I propose that setting the collectorProtocolVersion to 0 disables the exporter but does not remove it. ie, it's effectively in a standby state. A report including collectorProtocolVersion = 0 indicates an exporter that exists (ie, has been configured) but is not operational. (Re-)configuring the exporter with a lifetime of zero would be the correct way to deconfigure it, ie to completely remove the configuration. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 30 08:08:56 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl31s-0005F5-TJ for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 08:08:56 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl31r-000380-LM for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 08:08:56 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl2xU-000565-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 07:04:24 -0500 Received: from odd-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.119] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl2xS-00055y-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 07:04:23 -0500 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k4UC4LA10595; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:04:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.61.64.105] (ams3-vpn-dhcp105.cisco.com [10.61.64.105]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k4UC4KC21288; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:04:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <447C34C4.9040406@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:04:20 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Aitken CC: Lutz Mark , Juergen Quittek , ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] Proposal for collector IEs References: <8730AE3BCD6E5A5DF2559A3B@[192.168.1.130]> <447C05A9.4010208@cisco.com> <447C27CA.7060805@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <447C3042.9050009@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <447C3042.9050009@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 Dear all, We could debate what is the best to (un)configure an IPFIX device but, as there is no draft specifying it, I'm not sure it makes sense for now. However, I like to approach to have "A value of 0 indicates that no export protocol is in use." in the collectorProtocolVersion I.E. description, just in case... a potential future draft specifying the configuration would make use of it. Regards, Benoit. > Lutz, > >> an alternative solution would be to assign a life-time >> to the metering session and to set the life-time to zero >> to unconfigure the metering. > > It's not good to have two different ways of doing things. > > So I propose that setting the collectorProtocolVersion to 0 disables > the exporter but does not remove it. ie, it's effectively in a standby > state. > > A report including collectorProtocolVersion = 0 indicates an exporter > that exists (ie, has been configured) but is not operational. > > (Re-)configuring the exporter with a lifetime of zero would be the > correct way to deconfigure it, ie to completely remove the configuration. > -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 30 09:27:13 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl4Fd-0007Cb-Dv for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 09:27:13 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl4Fc-0002sE-2F for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 09:27:13 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl49q-0001Dw-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 08:21:14 -0500 Received: from relay01.pair.com ([209.68.5.15]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with smtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl49o-0001Dl-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 08:21:12 -0500 Received: (qmail 90877 invoked from network); 30 May 2006 13:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.66?) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 30 May 2006 13:21:12 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 207.237.36.98 In-Reply-To: References: <444655E2.5030305@cisco.com> <444771D8.8010905@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4448D947.4050903@cisco.com> <0733537CBEBCC541E3048E8C@753F3B888A9969457862729D> <445F3986.6010708@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: Paul Aitken , Benoit Claise , Lutz Mark , ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Carter Bullard Subject: Re: [ipfix] new element: fragmentOffsetIPv6 ? Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 09:21:07 -0400 To: Juergen Quittek X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68ba2b07ef271dba6ee42a93832cfa4c Juergen, I was commenting on Paul's desire to "avoid a convert channel". I just didn't want the WG to get the wrong impression about IPFIX and covert channel avoidance, and making a statement seemed appropriate. I apologize if I was in error. I suggest that bits that are not used be defined as 'reserved'. The IETF should have guidelines on the appropriate value for reserved fields, but if they don't, then the worry about reserved fields should be moot. I would suggest that in the absence of IETF guidelines, you mention that any reader should be able to process an IE that has arbitrary values in the reserved field, as is good practice. Writers of IE's should zero reserved fields, but there is no requirement to do so. The reason you don't want to specify MBZ is backward compatibility for future versions of the protocol which actually try to use the reserved bits. If the standard states that the field 'must be zero', then an IPFIX reader should throw away data if the reserved bits are set to something other than zero. That seems like the correct response to be conformant with the standard. But when we go to version 1.1 and the reserved bit has real semantics, then how does a 1.0 transport entity know that its ok to forward the the 1.1 data? Because there are many IE's and thus many reserved fields, just keeping up with which version of the protocol allows for the use of this bit, for each specific IE can become somewhat burdensome. So, I suggest, "reserved" but not MBZ. Carter On May 10, 2006, at 3:50 PM, Juergen Quittek wrote: > Hi Carter, > > --On 09.05.2006 8:59 Uhr -0400 Carter Bullard wrote: > >> Please, lets not talk about covert channels in IPFIX. It isn't a >> part of >> any real threat assessment for IPFIX, and IPFIX doesn't meet any >> potential covert channel criteria. > > I doubt that IPFIX does not even meet a single potential covert > channel criteria. > The protocol security considerations discuss features for > protecting integrity. > For example, transport over TLS is supported. > >> In this particular case, because >> some of the contents of this IE is under the control of a non-trusted >> source (the packet), controlling other parts of the data in this >> field >> provides no additional assurance or protection, against a covert >> channel. >> >> Some would say that MBZ fields in IPFIX IE's is analogous to 7-bit >> data (ASCII) enforcement to eliminate the covert channel potential >> of FTP. > > "Some would say ..." that's fine. But what do YOU want to tell us? > Are you suggesting not to request to set some of the unused bits to > zero? > Do you suggest to remove this from all affected IEs or from some > particular ones? > > Thanks, > > Juergen > > >> Carter >> >> >> On May 8, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Paul Aitken wrote: >> >>> Juergen, >>> >>>> It's OK, if you want to have this new IE. >>> >>> Fragment offset is AF agnostic, so why create a new IE? Why not fix >>> # 88 fragmentOffsetIPv4 to just be "fragmentOffset" ? >>> >> [ snip ] >>> >>> So I would prefer to call it fragmentFlagsIPv6 (ie, plural, akin to >>> fragmentFlagsIPv4), and specify it as: >>> >>> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 >>> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >>> | | | | | | 0 | 0 | M | >>> +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ >>> >>> >>> BTW, I would prefer to specify that zero be used instead of DC to >>> prevent a potential covert channel. >>> >>> Cheers. >>> -- >>> Paul Aitken >>> Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. >>> >>> -- >>> Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in >>> message body >>> Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say >>> "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body >>> Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ >>> >> > > > Carter Bullard CEO/President QoSient, LLC 150 E. 57th Street Suite 12D New York, New York 10022 +1 212 588-9133 Phone +1 212 588-9134 Fax -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 30 10:50:00 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl5Xk-00021D-Ln for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 10:50:00 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl5Xj-0003EB-EZ for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 10:50:00 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl5T4-00053u-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 09:45:10 -0500 Received: from odd-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.119] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl5T3-00053p-00 for ipfix-info@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 09:45:09 -0500 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k4UEj8121704 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:45:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.61.64.105] (ams3-vpn-dhcp105.cisco.com [10.61.64.105]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k4UEj6C12841 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:45:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <447C5A71.5080300@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 16:45:05 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ipfix-info@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: [ipfix-info] IPFIX-INFO: TemplateID description Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Dear all, [IPFIX-INFO] currently specificies: 5.1.9. templateId Description: An identifier of a Template that is locally unique to an Exporting Process. Typically, this Information Element is used for limiting the scope of other Information Elements. Abstract Data Type: unsigned16 Data Type Semantics: identifier ElementId: 145 But [IPFIX-PROTO] specifies: A Template ID MUST be unique per Observation Domain. So I would say that the new templateId description is: Status: current Description: An identifier of a Template that is locally unique to an Observation Domain. Typically, this Information Element is used for limiting the scope of other Information Elements. Regards, Benoit. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 30 11:08:23 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl5pX-0000jj-7k for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 11:08:23 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl5pU-0005Mi-VK for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 11:08:23 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl5lT-0006Wk-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 10:04:11 -0500 Received: from franclinus.red.cert.org ([192.88.209.16]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl5lS-0006Wf-00 for ipfix-info@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 10:04:10 -0500 Received: from franclinus.red.cert.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by franclinus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/2.19) with ESMTP id k4UF47m7027485 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 11:04:08 -0400 Received: (from defang@localhost) by franclinus.red.cert.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit/1.1) id k4UF3TBV027452 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 11:03:29 -0400 Received: from villemus.indigo.cert.org (villemus.indigo.cert.org [10.60.10.5]) by franclinus.red.cert.org (envelope-sender ) (MIMEDefang) with ESMTP id k4UF3TuK027450; Tue, 30 May 2006 11:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.237.250.118] (vpn-10-25-4-18.remote.cert.org [10.25.4.18]) by villemus.indigo.cert.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/2.59) with ESMTP id k4UF3Tht017473; Tue, 30 May 2006 11:03:29 -0400 In-Reply-To: <447C5A71.5080300@cisco.com> References: <447C5A71.5080300@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-2-1042997415" Message-Id: <4ADCA7CE-D808-463F-86C4-2411FBBA5170@cert.org> Cc: ipfix-info@net.doit.wisc.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Trammell Subject: Re: [ipfix-info] IPFIX-INFO: TemplateID description Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:03:25 -0400 To: Benoit Claise X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.1 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 required=5 checker=SpamAssassin version=3.000005 Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cd26b070c2577ac175cd3a6d878c6248 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-2-1042997415 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Agreed. On this subject, I would still suggest that Observation Domain identifiers be defined as unique within a Session, as opposed to per Exporting Process (otherwise, we run into lifetime issues on observationDomainId; as this is the "root" of all other scopes we should avoid this if at all possible). If there is WG interest in doing things this way, I'd be happy to generate the necessary language... Regards, Brian On May 30, 2006, at 10:45 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: > Dear all, > > [IPFIX-INFO] currently specificies: > 5.1.9. templateId > > Description: > An identifier of a Template that is locally unique to an > Exporting > Process. Typically, this Information Element is used for > limiting > the scope of other Information Elements. > Abstract Data Type: unsigned16 > Data Type Semantics: identifier > ElementId: 145 > > But [IPFIX-PROTO] specifies: > A Template ID MUST be unique per Observation Domain. > So I would say that the new templateId description is: > > Status: current Description: > An identifier of a Template that is locally unique to an > Observation > Domain. Typically, this Information Element is used for limiting > the scope of other Information Elements. > > Regards, Benoit. > > > -- > Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in > message body > Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say > "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body > Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ --Apple-Mail-2-1042997415 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEfF7A4/8LCZ4pwvYRAh+JAKC/EitDnU8VZ1DzbcNcHJ8LYejIugCgh24r lgwNP8AQ5F0bW8g9cebV1ks= =vKwo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-2-1042997415-- -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 30 11:13:44 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl5ui-0002iP-CS for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 11:13:44 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl5ui-0005U1-AP for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 11:13:44 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl5ug-0007AB-4E for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 11:13:43 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl5pi-0006nP-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 10:08:34 -0500 Received: from odd-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.119] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl5pg-0006me-00 for ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 10:08:32 -0500 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k4UF8V023510 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 17:08:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.61.64.105] (ams3-vpn-dhcp105.cisco.com [10.61.64.105]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k4UF8VC06593 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 17:08:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <447C5FEE.6070700@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:08:30 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ipfix-protocol@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: [ipfix-protocol] Observation Domain ID uniqueness Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 25620135586de10c627e3628c432b04a Dear all, I know it was addressed a couple of times on the mailing list. However, while discussing with Lutz Mark and Paul Aitken, I think we discovered the issue the definition of the observation domain id differs between ipfix-arch and ipfix-proto. -in ipfix-arch the id is unique within the ipfix device -in ipfix-proto the id is unique to the exporting process ------------------------------------------------------------ [ARCH] 5.4. Observation Domain The Observation Domain is a logical block that presents a single identity for a group of Observation Points within an IPFIX Device. Each {Observation Point, Metering Process} pair belongs to a single Observation Domain. An IPFIX Device could have multiple Observation Domains, each of which has a subset of the total set of Observation Points in it. Each Observation Domain must carry a unique ID within the context of an IPFIX Device. Note that in case of multiple Observation Domains, a unique ID per Observation Domain must be transmitted as a parameter to the Exporting Function. That unique ID is referred to as the IPFIX Observation Domain ID. [PROTO] 3.3 Observation Domain ID A 32-bit identifier of the Observation Domain that is locally unique to the Exporting Process. The Exporting Process uses the Observation Domain ID to uniquely identify to the Collecting Process the Observation Domain that metered the Flows. Collecting Processes SHOULD use the combination of the Exporter (exporterIPv4Address, exporterIPv6Address, or exportingProcessId) and the Observation Domain ID field to separate different export streams originating from the same Exporting Process. The Observation Domain ID SHOULD be 0 when no specific Observation Domain ID is relevant for the entire IPFIX Message. For example, when exporting the Exporting Process Statistics, or in case of hierarchy of Collector when aggregated data records are exported. We think that the Observation Domain Id should be unique per IPFIX Device, and not per Exporting Process. Otherwise, we could end up in the following situation: one sysadmin configures a set of observation points with observation domain 1, while a second sysadmin configures another set of observation points (on a different line card for example) with the same observation domain Id. If each observation domain exports using its own exporting process with the source IP address, how would the collector differentiate the template IDs? Also, the terminology sections of IFPIX-PROTO and IPFIX-ARCH are not in sync. Multiple small changes (including in the terminology sections) should be inserted. For example: IPFIX-PROTO observation domain definition says "In the IPFIX Message it generates, the Observation Domain includes its Observation Domain ID, which is unique per Exporting Process. " Feedback? Regards, Benoit. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 30 12:36:17 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl7Cb-0001Sd-Km for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 12:36:17 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl7Ca-0003bJ-Bi for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 12:36:17 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl6Xy-0000hB-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 10:54:18 -0500 Received: from serv-80-156.sernet.de ([193.175.80.156] helo=mail.anderson.de) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl6Xx-0000gy-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 10:54:17 -0500 Received: from gate-mh.sernet.de ([193.159.216.158] helo=[192.168.42.180]) by mail.anderson.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1Fl6Xp-0005hJ-7f; Tue, 30 May 2006 17:54:11 +0200 Message-ID: <447C6A9E.9010308@CS.Uni-Goettingen.DE> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:54:06 +0200 From: Sven Anderson Organization: Institute for Informatics Goettingen User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060111) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek CC: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] Proposal for collector IEs References: <8730AE3BCD6E5A5DF2559A3B@[192.168.1.130]> In-Reply-To: <8730AE3BCD6E5A5DF2559A3B@[192.168.1.130]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 Hi Jürgen, see inline. Juergen Quittek, 29.05.2006 21:56: > 5.2.7. collectorTransportPort > > Description: > The destination port identifier to which in the the Exporting ^^^^^^ This should be removed, right? > Process sends Flow information. For the transport protocols UDP, > TCP and SCTP this is the destination port number. This field MAY [...] > 5.2.5. collectorInterface > > Description: > The index of the IP interface where the Exporting Process sends ^^^^^ > Flow information. The value matches the value of managed object Is this clear? This is the interface on the Collector's side, right? Then I suggest "to which", like in the other sections. Else, it sounds as if the interface on the Exporter's side is meant. Cheers, Sven -- Sven Anderson Institute for Informatics - http://www.ifi.informatik.uni-goettingen.de Georg-August-Universitaet Goettingen Lotzestr. 16-18, 37083 Goettingen, Germany -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 30 14:20:07 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl8p5-0005d9-Qw for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:20:07 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl8p3-0005w6-Gc for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:20:07 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl8kF-0000Ug-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 13:15:07 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl8kE-0000UX-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 13:15:06 -0500 Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 May 2006 11:15:05 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,190,1146466800"; d="scan'208"; a="285389749:sNHT32613034" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4UIF4jh007768; Tue, 30 May 2006 11:15:05 -0700 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k4UIF3Lf013455; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:15:04 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [10.58.48.123] ([10.58.48.123]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14386; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:15:02 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <447C8BA5.9000705@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:15:01 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060501 Fedora/1.7.13-1.1.fc5 X-Accept-Language: en-gb, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sven Anderson CC: Juergen Quittek , ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] Proposal for collector IEs References: <8730AE3BCD6E5A5DF2559A3B@[192.168.1.130]> <447C6A9E.9010308@CS.Uni-Goettingen.DE> In-Reply-To: <447C6A9E.9010308@CS.Uni-Goettingen.DE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=1035; t=1149012905; x=1149876905; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:Re=3A=20[ipfix]=20Proposal=20for=20collector=20IEs; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3Dadvjfu0t2Ezr48R0k4QjQ0HrexA=3D; b=pKU83ntIhvVutXxmFF0GGlDAiqjSkhXybClA4c1votF5pK42s8H0+R9CKnuI9Riv2od+G4pd QWCVxJ2vlfjmDhLkCo6uI77RkRUe7hF5Qgt7hGMRw0SGY2AKe66Tum17; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4.cisco.com; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com verified; ); Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 Sven, >>5.2.5. collectorInterface >> >> Description: >> The index of the IP interface where the Exporting Process sends > > ^^^^^ > >> Flow information. The value matches the value of managed object > > > Is this clear? This is the interface on the Collector's side, right? Then > I suggest "to which", like in the other sections. Else, it sounds as if > the interface on the Exporter's side is meant. It's the exporter's interface, because if the collectorIPv6Address is a IPv6 link-local address or the collectorIPv4Address is a private IPv4 address, then it won't be possible to tell which interface should be (or is being) used without further qualification. It doesn't make any sense to configure which interface on the collector should be used, since the exporter probably has very little (if any) control over that because it depends on how traffic is routed through the network. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 30 14:25:25 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl8uD-0006Cc-Uz for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:25:25 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fl8uC-00063G-Mt for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:25:25 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl8lS-0000VJ-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 13:16:22 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com ([171.71.176.117]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1Fl8lR-0000VC-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 13:16:21 -0500 Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 May 2006 11:16:21 -0700 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4UIGKJ9018088; Tue, 30 May 2006 11:16:20 -0700 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k4UIGJLf014192; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:16:19 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [10.58.48.123] ([10.58.48.123]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14559; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:16:17 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <447C8BF1.1000100@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:16:17 +0100 From: Paul Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060501 Fedora/1.7.13-1.1.fc5 X-Accept-Language: en-gb, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carter Bullard CC: Juergen Quittek , Benoit Claise , Lutz Mark , ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] new element: fragmentOffsetIPv6 ? References: <444655E2.5030305@cisco.com> <444771D8.8010905@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4448D947.4050903@cisco.com> <0733537CBEBCC541E3048E8C@753F3B888A9969457862729D> <445F3986.6010708@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=157; t=1149012980; x=1149876980; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paitken@cisco.com; z=From:Paul=20Aitken=20 |Subject:Re=3A=20[ipfix]=20new=20element=3A=20fragmentOffsetIPv6=20?; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3DJjmPfdRWsGHnhloUI/CWHueiVis=3D; b=cPJhrtfxxHp4J2avEyFNQBLJi6EMgVEzg5GkdNv+AXw9L8jFZm+s936ILwx8yZ0o78DDytKx vjdMQ6eCMgPb/7wRyHv7vc/9m/xiXYKSCH1kvtyfTWWKiDWeXqkqSQFB; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2.cisco.com; header.From=paitken@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com verified; ); Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Carter wrote: > [snip] > So, I suggest, "reserved" but not MBZ. And I agree. Thanks. -- Paul Aitken Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 30 18:58:13 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FlDAD-0004MQ-1C for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 18:58:13 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FlDAA-0007sx-DD for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 18:58:12 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FlD5z-0007R0-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 17:53:51 -0500 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FlD5y-0007Qu-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 17:53:50 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.128] (HSI-KBW-085-216-002-068.hsi.kabelbw.de [85.216.2.68]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BFC1BAC4D; Wed, 31 May 2006 00:44:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 00:53:55 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: Sven Anderson Cc: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix] Proposal for collector IEs Message-ID: <87075DC2ECB87FDABECD2D4E@[192.168.1.128]> In-Reply-To: <447C6A9E.9010308@CS.Uni-Goettingen.DE> References: <8730AE3BCD6E5A5DF2559A3B@[192.168.1.130]> <447C6A9E.9010308@CS.Uni-Goettingen.DE> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 244a2fd369eaf00ce6820a760a3de2e8 Hi Sven, Thanks for checking. --On 30.05.2006 17:54 Uhr +0200 Sven Anderson wrote: > Hi J=FCrgen, > > see inline. > > Juergen Quittek, 29.05.2006 21:56: > >> 5.2.7. collectorTransportPort >> >> Description: >> The destination port identifier to which in the the Exporting > ^^^^^^ > This should be removed, right? Fixed. >> Process sends Flow information. For the transport protocols UDP, >> TCP and SCTP this is the destination port number. This field MAY > > [...] > >> 5.2.5. collectorInterface >> >> Description: >> The index of the IP interface where the Exporting Process sends > ^^^^^ >> Flow information. The value matches the value of managed object > > Is this clear? This is the interface on the Collector's side, right? No, it's the exporter's side. > Then I suggest "to which", like in the other sections. Else, it > sounds as if the interface on the Exporter's side is meant. This is meant indeed. Do you think we need to make more clear that it is meant as it sounds? Thanks, Juergen > Cheers, > > Sven > > -- > Sven Anderson > Institute for Informatics - http://www.ifi.informatik.uni-goettingen.de > Georg-August-Universitaet Goettingen > Lotzestr. 16-18, 37083 Goettingen, Germany -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From MarlaPritchett@ukr.net Tue May 30 21:07:03 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FlFAt-0002Ct-6K for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 21:07:03 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FlFAq-0004Nw-W5 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 21:07:03 -0400 Received: from ip-213-177-135-32.dsl-static.scarlet.be ([213.177.135.32] helo=192.168.0.2) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with smtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FlF5f-0007DE-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:01:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:55:38 -0300 From: "Beverley Abbott" To: ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu Subject: RE:. 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To apply, please email CV to barcelotravinc@aol.com regards, Dominico Barcelo From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Tue May 30 21:51:19 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FlFrj-0005eT-Ak for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 21:51:19 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FlFrg-00084t-U8 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 30 May 2006 21:51:19 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FlFnN-0001kn-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:46:49 -0500 Received: from mail.nttv6.net ([192.68.245.115]) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FlFnM-0001ki-00 for ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:46:48 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dhcp-3-107.nttv6.com [192.47.163.107]) by mail.nttv6.net (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k4V1kGl4034206; Wed, 31 May 2006 10:46:22 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from akoba@nttv6.net) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:46:25 +0900 From: kobayashi atsushi To: Gerhard Muenz Subject: Re[2]: [ipfix] multiple Exporting Processes in IPFIX-ARCH Cc: Paul Aitken , ipfix In-Reply-To: <447BFE25.4020804@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> References: <20060530142410.3278.AKOBA@nttv6.net> <447BFE25.4020804@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Message-Id: <20060531100335.FCB6.AKOBA@nttv6.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.12.01 [ja] Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6ffdee8af20de249c24731d8414917d3 Hi Gerhard, > I think the motiviation for this discussion is to determine where to > locate filtering/sampling parameters within a MIB module. The MIB module > will always be an abstraction of the actual implementation, i.e. the > borders between different processes can be drawn differently or > disappear in the implementation. My motivation for this discussion is to consider what IPFIX-MIB meets IPFIX-ARCH. I think that it might be inconsistent to IPFIX-ARCH, if we refer objects of concerning Exporting Process of PSAMP-MIB as IPFIX-MIB. I would like to arrange what parameter is configurable in IPFIX-MIB. The topics concerning exporting process is one of these issues. > > The MIB module is to provide a coherent view on the IPFIX device and it > should be possible to describe any possible state and configuration. > On the other hand, it should not be possible to describe the same > state/configuration in many different ways. Hence, in a MIB module, it > could be better to assign sampling/filtering parameters to the metering > processes only and use different exporting processes for different data > streams. > I also think so. > Regards, > Gerhard > > kobayashi atsushi wrote: > > Dear Paul and Gerhard, > > > > I considered what Gerhard has said. > > The Exporting Process seems not to have filter function on record. Therefore, > > single Exporting Process receives records from multiple Metering > > Processes, and it sends same records to multiple Collection Processes. > > Exporting Process seems not to be able to handle different datastream > > against multiple Collection Processes. > > > > Certainly, IPFIX neither requires nor mandates that, but, it can be considered > > like above. > > > > In section 5.5, a combination of Si, Fi is one function of the Metering process. > > I wonder that this description is depicted in section 5.5. > > According to this example, single or more than one exporting processes receives > > flow records multiple metering processes that have different rules. > > > > In that case, whichever single or two is sufficient to IPFIX. > > Which a implementation choice or a configuration choice of policy is? > > Is it clearly implementation choice? I think that it should made more > > clear. > > > > Regards, > > Atsushi KOBAYASHI > > > > On Mon, 29 May 2006 18:39:03 +0100 > > Paul Aitken wrote: > > > >> Gerhard, > >> > >>> I assume Kobayashi thinks that in figure 4, all collectors receive the > >>> same records, i.e. the same data stream. Whereas two exporting processes > >>> would be necessary to send different sets of records to different > >>> collectors. > >> That might be a common implimentation, but IPFIX neither requires nor > >> mandates that. > >> > >> eg, section 5.5 of IPFIX-ARCH discusses: > >> > >> There may be additional rules defined within an Observation Domain so > >> that only certain Flow Records are exported. This may be done by > >> either one or a combination of Si, Fi, as described in the section on > >> "Selection Criteria for Packets". > >> > >> It'd be straightforward to impliment a single Exporting Process capable > >> of exporting to multiple collectors, which implimented independant sets > >> of filters on each output stream as described. > >> > >> eg, export to 1.1.1.1 port 2222 match dst-addr 192.0.33.5 > >> export to 3.3.3.3 port 4444 match dst-addr 192.0.11.30 sample 1 in 2 > >> > >> It would also be straighforward to impliment those rules as seperate > >> Export Processes. > >> > >> IPFIX doesn't tell us what to do here; it's an implimentation choice. > >> > >> Cheers. > >> -- > >> Paul Aitken > >> Cisco Systems Ltd, Edinburgh, Scotland. > >> > >> -- > >> Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body > >> Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say > >> "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body > >> Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ > > > > --- > > Atsushi KOBAYASHI > > NTT Information Sharing Platform Lab. > > tel:+81-(0)422-59-3978 fax:+81-(0)422-59-5652 > > > > -- > Dipl.-Ing. Gerhard M|nz > Computer Networks and Internet > Wilhelm Schickard Institute for Computer Science > University of Tuebingen > Auf der Morgenstelle 10C 9P16, D-72076 Tuebingen, Germany > Phone: +49 7071 29-70534 / Fax: +49 7071 29-5220 > EMail: muenz@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de > WWW: http://net.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~muenz --- Atsushi KOBAYASHI NTT Information Sharing Platform Lab. tel:+81-(0)422-59-3978 fax:+81-(0)422-59-5652 -- Help mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "help" in message body Unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@net.doit.wisc.edu and say "unsubscribe ipfix" in message body Archive http://ipfix.doit.wisc.edu/archive/ From majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu Wed May 31 04:32:55 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FlM8N-0003G5-S2 for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 31 May 2006 04:32:55 -0400 Received: from mil.doit.wisc.edu ([128.104.31.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FlM8M-0002Lb-Jo for ipfix-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 31 May 2006 04:32:55 -0400 Received: from majordomo by mil.doit.wisc.edu with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FlLzs-0000Sn-00 for ipfix-list@mil.doit.wisc.edu; Wed, 31 May 2006 03:24:08 -0500 Received: from odd-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.119] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by mil.doit.wisc.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 1FlLzq-0000Si-00 for ipfix-info@net.doit.wisc.edu; Wed, 31 May 2006 03:24:06 -0500 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k4V8O5s26432; Wed, 31 May 2006 10:24:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.61.64.227] (ams3-vpn-dhcp227.cisco.com [10.61.64.227]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id k4V8O4C01148; Wed, 31 May 2006 10:24:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <447D52A2.1060403@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:24:02 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Trammell CC: ipfix-info@net.doit.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [ipfix-info] IPFIX-INFO: TemplateID description References: <447C5A71.5080300@cisco.com> <4ADCA7CE-D808-463F-86C4-2411FBBA5170@cert.org> In-Reply-To: <4ADCA7CE-D808-463F-86C4-2411FBBA5170@cert.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: majordomo listserver X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f607d15ccc2bc4eaf3ade8ffa8af02a0 Brian, > Agreed. > > On this subject, I would still suggest that Observation Domain > identifiers be defined as unique within a Session, as opposed to per > Exporting Process (otherwise, we run into lifetime issues on > observationDomainId; as this is the "root" of all other scopes we > should avoid this if at all possible). If there is WG interest in > doing things this way, I'd be happy to generate the necessary language... See my email "[ipfix-protocol] Observation Domain ID uniqueness" on the topic. Regards, Benoit. > > Regards, > > Brian > > On May 30, 2006, at 10:45 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> [IPFIX-INFO] currently specificies: >> 5.1.9. templateId >> >> Description: >> An identifier of a Template that is locally unique to an Exporting >> Process. Typically, this Information Element is used for limiting >> the scope of other Information Elements. >> Abstract Data Type: unsigned16 >> Data Type Semantics: identifier >> ElementId: 145 >> >> But [IPFIX-PROTO] specifies: >> A Template ID MUST be unique per Observation Domain. >> So I would say that the new templateId description is: >> >> Status: current Description: >> An identifier of a Template that is locally unique to an >> Observation >> Domain. 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